So she wastes the entire fuckin season and then does a Nia from

so did nia

wasn't a waste, we got lots of porn out of it thanks to her
>>>/aco/1368611

>>92572643
When you fall in love with a wizard's construct, you're going to have a bad time.

>>92572643
She should never have existed, every weakness of the final season can be linked back to her

>>92572643
Nia was better. I actually felt bad when she died.

>>92572643
Bit different. Nia could easily have been saved by using the power they used during the entire show.

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>ripped off Ilana's design
>ripped off Nia's ending
Did Ashi do ANYTHING original?

>>92572643
Meh, I liked her character. This is an unpopular opinion, but I liked everything in the new season. I think Jack deserved a happily ever after cliche ending, but I guess Genndy saw it another way. Still satisfied though.

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>that ending

I haven't seen this much blatant plagiarism of anime since /co/ storytimed Diesel.

>>92572643
I liked her character, her arc and felt she gave meaning to everything Jack did in the season.

But I thought the message of the season was different to what it ended up being.

Early episodes were largely about Jack not dealing with his own failure. By the point where she saved him from suicide and said that he saved her life, I thought the ending was going to be Jack accepting that he hadn't failed, but had many successes.

So she was necessary for his development, to realise that from his effort the terrible future could be turned into something beautiful and worthwhile.

But then...

>>92574908

This. People are always like "but that would have been abusing Spiral Power" and I'm like, "bitch, Simon just saved the motherfucking universe, if anyone has earned being the last one to get to use Spiral Power it's fucking him."

But noooo, he's gotta be all noble and shit. Whatever.

>>92572643
she was a plot-device

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Not even subtle

>>92575346
>Yoko wearing a suit

Best girl, even in ending.

>>92575284
Pic related?

Because if so I'm heavily intrigued

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too much was put on a character he was going to kill off for a bitter-sweet ending.

HERE'S THE THING.

I DID MY TIME, TWELVE YEAAARS OF IT, I don't want a fucking bitter-sweet ending, I want that shit to be so fucking sweet it hurts to eat.

waiting TWELVE GOD DAMN YEARS changes the game, they should have gotten married and that's fucking that, love or hate Ashi, that is how it SHOULD have ended because Jack deserved a happy ending.

>>92575346
god i always hated how yoko kept one of her hair braid things.

>>92575287
You futurefags need to realize how horrific this would be for everyone who had suffered during Jack's absence.

>>92575392
STFU

life sucks
then you die

LIVE WITH IT!

>>92572643
Out of nowhere
>Epilogue

Gets bored finds the Guardian in his time.

Wacha Back From the Past.

Guardian pops him down like right before he jumps through to the past.

Things change. Jack walks down to the street and runs into a gaggle of girls all chatting and walking along.

Bumps into one knocking her phone out of her hand.

"Excuse me miss."

Jack picks up the phone.

It has a ladybug strap.

>>92575376
Its straight up Jojo

>>92575445
Oh man, I feel like I need to read now

Is it hilariously bad?

>>92575462
Oh yea.

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If you wanna keep a bittersweet ending, do it like this.

>Ashi grabs Jack and opens the portal before anyone can think about it, as happened.
>Jack slays Aku in the past, keep this brief - we know Jack can be Aku and Aku is already weakened
>Brief moment of exultation as the pair leave Aku's collapsed citadel
>Ashi stumbles, then falls
>She can feel herself fading, and says as much as Jack rushes to her - we don't need to explain if it's time paradox or Aku being dead, doesn't particularly matter, and tangling with time travel questions is a rabbit hole not worth going down
>Jack cradles her, guilt warring with panic, maybe he pleads with her not to go or to keep living, don't oversell it - tragedy and comedy stand on a razor edge
>Ashi comforts him, thanks him for saving her life, thanks him for loving her, tells him she loves him, and asks him for a farewell kiss
>Jack goes to comply, but
>She's gone as his lips brush hers
>Lingering shot of Jack alone on his knees in Aku's wasteland as the sun comes out

>A brief montage of Jack returning home
>But what is initially joyous becomes confusing and then somber as Jack's family and subjects see that he has gone through some unspeakable ordeal
>Montage continues - show signs of the kingdom being rebuilt, but Jack keeps to himself as the seasons pass, back turned on the world
>Perhaps show he's been occupying himself with wood carvings of his friends from the future. A few lingering shows on more prevalent ones. There's a conspicuous empty space at the center. That one is Ashi's. He still can't give in to her just being a memory.

>Cut to the tree scene
>Jack sits, sombre and alone, until a ladybug lands on his finger
>Tears well in his eyes, and then a small smile
>Jack stands and looks out on the land, letting the ladybug go
>This is a world Ashi would have loved
>Fin

>>92575539
take your fanfics and wall of text to AO3, this is /co/ not /ff/

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>>92575565

>>92575539
I would've much preferred this ending.

>>92572643
One thing I hate is how the ending was way more bitter than sweet.

>>92575639
Honestly, I still wanted a happy ending, and I don't understand the perverse aversion to them in modern storytelling. Suffering should end. Life should flourish. 'Winning' shouldn't consist of salvaging what you can out of a home smashed flat by disaster.

endling was rushed, forced and abrupt, throw in its bittersweet nature of killing his love interest after building her up for the whole season and also only ever having them have a single kiss, kills it for me.

the fact that THIS IS IT, FOREVER, should really start sinking into you faggots soon, this is all the closure you'll ever get, after 12 fucking years of waiting, this is the payoff.

to me, I reject this ending, everything from after the Kiss is rejected, Ashi and Jack beat Aku and use AKu powers to go back to the past and its a happy ending. that is my reality.

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>>92572643
So she became only memory after all.

>>92575695
ALSO the fact Jack had to suffer so much, sacrifice so much, and his reward is this shit is more suffering.

>>92575724
And Ashi never really got to be free, to say she loved Jack, hell, to even say goodbye.

>http://www.strawpoll.me/12982841/r
TWENTY ONE PERCENT.

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>>92575807

>I'm glad you guys like Ashi
>But I have some bad news for you...

>>92575421
>LIVE WITH IT!
Or not

>>92572643
Can we get a fucking season 6 where Jack decides to fuck up the time line to get her back?

>>92574935
Wait, when did Ilana get non-existed? Apart from when the CN executives decided to non-exist the whole show.

>>92572643
>make Aku's daughter fall in love with Jack
>somehow people did not expect a Nia
I get that this isn't /a/ but come on

>>92575838
Genndy has said that this closes the door for him, so no.

You can't really get an Ashi without an Aku,

]>>92575838
this episode pretty much gives you the knowledge on how Genndy feels about Jack.

He's done, here's your rushed ending, this is all you will ever, ever get.

Not even a decent Nia. Nia went out telling Simon she loved him. Ashi went out talking about Aku

AND WE STILL DONT KNOW JACK'S REAL NAME

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>>92576301
>When you realize Ashi never got a chance to say "I love you" to Jack
>when you realize their first kiss was their last kiss
>when you realize NO ONE will be able to relate to Jack because, as far as they experienced, he was never gone

>>92575863
Genndy should be a good enough writer to not have to rip off an anime.

>>92575539
This

>>92575863
Only an idiot didn't see a Nia coming. But I personally didn't expect it be so poorly done

>>92576467
Using the wedding just seems downright cruel for cruelty's sake.

>>92575313
Spiral power is based on the cycle of death and new life. "The dreams of those who have fallen and the hopes of those who will follow." Reviving someone using spiral power would be a complete bastardization of the power.

>>92576486
So? Just look at how great Frankenstein was when the laws of nature were abused

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>Season 5 was literally just Genndy's Donut Steel Deviant Art OC Fanfiction.net Waifu Story
>waited over a decade for this
Th-thanks

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>>92575539
I like this but I would've had the ladybug fly off and then a cricket jump in it's place on his hand. We then see in the background a figure.
It turns out to be a fully grown cricket girl. He smiles then fade to black, roll credits.

>>92576340
WHY DID ANYONE WANT TO KNOW IT? HE'S BEEN JACK LONGER THAN HE'S BEEN ANYONE ELSE.

>>92576624
Nah, I hate the 'replacement goldfish' thin myself in love-and-lost stories. Leave it open-ended, I say, as to whether or not Jack ever found love again.

>>92575421
*Tips fedora euphorically*

>>92575392
>I don't want a fucking bitter-sweet ending, I want that shit to be so fucking sweet it hurts to eat.
Disney seems more your speed

Jack GOT a happy ending, that was him coming to terms with everything when he saw the lady bug. Dude saves the world from an UNSPEAKABLE EVIL, it hurts but he's man enough t realize the stakes and accepted it.

>>92576568
At least the action scenes, music, and backgrounds were amazing.

The buildup was great, the finale kind of made Jack's journey feel pointless.

Jack did all of that and he get's no reward from it. I guess that's the Way of the Samurai.

>>92572643
>>92572669

You're both right

GL was fun, but then that happened

SJ was getting good, then ashi showed up

>>92576746
Making the best out of a tragedy is not the same thing as a happy ending. We've seen Jack do that enough, even leaving aside that Ashi never got to live a life. She never got to wander for the sake of wandering, indulge her love for animals or fondness for children, fall asleep besides someone she trusted utterly and who would never hurt her.

It sucks for them both, especially considering the magnitude of suffering they did no behalf of others.

>>92575313
Why only Nia? Is Kamina not worthy? Why also not revive Kittan and other fags who died while we at it?
So yeah, it would be abuse of power

>>92576763
That's a load of shit

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What the FUCK was their problem?

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>>92576763
No, this is.

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>>92576909
>noone will ever call them out on their bullshit
>noone to strong arm them into bringing Ashi back

>>92577109
>Thanks for doing our job, kid
>Sucks about all those good people in Aku's future or the woman you loved, doesn't it?

>>92577394
>"But here's a fucking ladybug. Remember how you and Ashi bonded over that? Do you feel better now?"

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A P O L O G I Z E

>>92577394
Hey maybe you should let go of the past and accept them as memories
>>92578375
That was Jack realizing there was beauty in the world, you should try it too

>>92572669

At least Nia was around since the start.

It's not like TTGL just dropped her in the middle of part 2 and made her the light of Simon's life, she had a lot of foundation built for her beforehand and her relationship with Simon was a natural progression.

Samurai Jack was about Jack, then for one season became the Jack and Ashi show and we're supposed to weep for a character we've known for five episodes after we came in for Jack, who has four seasons of beef with Aku and it still seems like only part of the story.

Ashi just seemed like a distraction.

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>>92578418
You were right, Shaggyfag. He swooced us like a goddamn secret bitch.

Never ever.

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>>92576746
So tired of this meme that preferring happy endings means you like Disney trash. Saccharine endings aren't inherently bad, just as super sad endings aren't inherently deep or profound.

Personally, this ending forced the bittersweet way to too hard for my liking. It wasn't even well executed.

>>92578455
>That was Jack realizing there was beauty in the world, you should try it too
lol calm down, it was a joke about the Gods perspective.

>>92575346
anyone got the family guy version?

Who else rooted for Aku this time?

>>92575807
>>92575807

Where is the "I didn't really care about her" option?

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>>92578418
Shaggyfag was the true hero of the season.

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>>92572643
I think it has something to do with Genndy meeting Adam Sandler. Everything Adam touches dies a slow painful death or is cursed forever.

>>92572643
I liked her.

>>92574976
My only beef was that she should've survived since by her paradox logic, Jack should've faded away with her too.

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I loved her.
Why genndy.

TTGL sucked too you fucking hipsters.

>>92575392
This. Love or hate her, Jack deserved her in the end.

>>92575421
>caps
>this much faggotry in one post
I miss the days before reddit was on here.

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>>92578418
>>92578600
>>92578716
Hand over your virgin daughters! Its the least you fucks owe me.

>>92579358
Because "muh Gurren Lagann bittersweet ending"

>>92578603
>You don't want almost every single character to be killed off without a goodbye, Jack's love interest to be randomly killed off in a 5-second bit, and Jack's story being finished in the most rushed/anticlimactic way?
>What are you, some kind of disney-fag?

This show ripped off of Gurren Lagann's ending.
-I loved Gurren Laganns ending, even though it caught me off guard more than Samurai Jack
-Samurai Jack's ending left a bad taste in my mouth that makes me regret ever watching it in the first place.
-Why is this?

>>92574908
>Nia could easily have been saved by using the power they used during the entire show.

If you don't ming the small cost of Simon setting on the path to be the new Anti-Spiral King.

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>>92579467
>One poster managed to completely annihilate the majority of /co/ in a single night

>tfw the Scotsman listing the names of all his daughters get's as much screen-time as Jack fighting Aku and Ashi dying.

>>92579692
Nt really. The guy was convinced Ashi and Jack would never fall in love.

>>92579643
Because I assume gurren laggan addressed the disappearance from time before it happened and treated it as a sacrifice.
In Jack, it happens the same way Ashi is revealed to be aku's daughter.
"OH WAIT, THERE WAS THAT ONE TIME I ACTUALLY CAN'T EXIST".
as well as the fact that they bait you into letting your guard down by having her acknowledge how different she feels from Aku dying.

>>92576467
Or people who just didnt watch some faggy anime

>>92575462
It's called DIESEL

>>92579643
Because in GL it was a sacrifice they chose to make, where in SJ it was a consequence of Ashi trying to do the right thing. Also because the whole season has centered around Ashi and Jack and their suffering and loneliness.

I honestly just hate how it was "Oh Jack Btw can't be here without Aku." Then she's just fucking gone

>>92579692
Fill me in senpai

>>92579643
Also Nia didn't cease to exist she just died, Ashi is gone completely

>>92575807
>that one strawpoll in a thread out of dozens

>>92579990
>that one strawpoll that got shared in every samurai jack thread active at the time of it's inception

>>92579990
That poll got posted in the OP of like 5 or 6 threads that went over 500 replies.

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>>92579958
There was a shitposter who was avatarfagging as Shaggy in the runup to episode 8 saying that there was going to be no romantic subtext to anything to come. Ultimately the mods banned him for avatarfagging, then again for bandodging. Come episode 8, when we got a romantic TEXT and a big damn kiss, everyone was crowing their victory over the perfidious Shaggyfag. Then episode 10 happened, and he won because Ashi never existed.

>>92579974
Christ, I hope not. Imagine being Jack, thinking that when you DO die you'll be reunited, only to be told by those 3 lazy fuckers that no, she zero-summed herself out of existence sending him back to the past.

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Season 5 isn't canon for me. Fuck this garbage. Jack gets a team/army to defeat the Guardian in a rematch then returns to the past to kill Aku. This is the real ending.

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>>92580065
>>92580040
>like 5 or 6 threads
how many Samurai Jack threads did we have since the revival, again?
How many different posters? Are you sure no one voted more than once?

>>92580126
I like to think that the gods pulled some magical fuckery to recreate that Ashi sans-aku for jack

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It was an okay end, he undid the future that was Aku, and as always saved the day no matter the cost to him. Would've liked if Ashi lived, not for her sake but because Jack getting a happy end after all these years is something I was really hoping for.

Oh well, I'm just gonna autism it so that the gods make some form of an Ashi for him from memory.

>>92580145
I made the poll and put in captcha/IP dupe checking. And at the time of making it, I shared it across boards and in around 7 /co/ threads.
I then posted it very early on in every new Jack thread I came across on /co/, as well as including it in some OP's of threads I made.

>>92575694
>I don't understand the perverse aversion to them in modern storytelling.

People who have never encountered any real difficulties or tradegy in their lives tend to be perversely attracted to them in fiction.

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>>92580167
>>92580202
Aaaaayyyyy my man

>>92580219
It funny then because after all your work there's people like me who got on almost every single thread I could and still never saw your poll. You still can't prove your poll to be representative nor that it wasn't tampered with.
>IP dupe checking
Lol, you hear that? It's the sound of the moderators taking you seriously.

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>>92580167
Yes. One can hope.

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>>92580230
ayyy :(
>>92580321
A sample only needs about 30 to 50 people to be reliable. You're also just gonna have to take my word that it has stayed at a fairly consistent ratio since it hit 20 votes

>>92580321
Who even cares at this point? Show's over, it's not worth arguing about any more.

>>92572643
yeah she ended up being a completely pointless character

>>92580412
>A sample only needs about 30 to 50 people to be reliable
>take my word
American Politics, everyone.

AHAHAHAHAHA ASHIIFAGS EPIC BTFO

>>92580399
>http://www.strawpoll.me/12982841/r
This is now my head canon

>>92574935
She killed her mother if that counts.

>>92579763

Lets face it, Genndy fucked up something fierce. I'm fine with the concept of the ending, but it needed so much shit that never happened. Jack and Ashi effectively killed everyone who was still alive fighting Aku, but they never got to say goodbye. The Scotsman didn't get to do or say anything in the episodes between his death and the final battle. Da Samoorai should have been there instead of giving up and running a bar. If you're going to say Demongo somehow lived give him a hot second to try fucking over the guy who almost killed him. Hell, he could've gotten the essence of Scaramouche or something and it'd have been really cool for two or three shots and that's all you'd have needed.

I don't actually hate the concept of Ashi, but from a raw objective standpoint when you have only 10 episodes her development was both unsatisfactorily rushed, and all consuming for all of the shows other plot threads. She never got to even think about her sisters before justifying it to her mother. She never got to develop from the sheltered assassin to the reasonably normal girl she became quickly. Her fight against her mother is tacked on at best to an episode about other stuff.

Ultimately Ashi needed either more development to make a better rounded character, or less since her job in the story is to get attached to jack and get him to the past.

>>92580674
He only fucked up because it didn't align with your personal taste.

>>92580581
A little touching up and I think it makes for a good fix-fic, yeah.

>>92576763
...what? Do you get off on stating the opposite of reality?

>>92580754
Not sure how anyone could deny the finale and season as a whole was rushed as fuck

>>92578418
Shaggy was the hero /co/ needed, but didn't deserve

Wouldn't this jack be erased as well? He wouldn't be able to come back to the past without Ashi and Ashi was wiped from existance?

>>92580930
explain

>>92572643
Yeah, good ol' nia from Green Lantern.

>>92575863
That may be true but its so cliche at this point they might as well have done something different just for the sake of entertainment and giving the audience some kind of pay off.

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>Series finally over
>best fight in the series didn't even have Jack

>>92572643
GENNDDYYYYYY

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>>92574935
>ripping off two shows with Giant Robots

>>92581771
>we didn't get to see smug jack, smug aku or serious aku even once in season 5

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>>92581771
Excuse me, the best fight in the series was in the third episode of this season, where Jack fucking KILLS 5 OF THE MOST HIGHLY TRAINED ASSASSINS ON THE PLANET.

>>92574976
I mean, for me it's not even that I hated her character. I just don't think enough time was spent for her. I didn't feel sad when she disappeared, there just wasn't enough time spent on Jack and Ashi's relationship for me to feel sad. We didn't see them talk with his parents over tea, didn't see Ashi have a moment with his mom, didn't see Jack showing Ashi a reality that was free from Aku, etc. We got zilch except for an incredibly rushed wedding

>>92575428
>pls stop ripping off Angel Beats Gendy, you hack fraud

>all these fuckers being like 'man, Jack should go back to the past to save her' or man 'they should've offered Jack a small bit of happiness' and being genuinely bummed about the ending
>Meanwhile I'm trying to figure how anyone felt anything for their relationship when the pacing was so fucking rapid

The way that ending went, there HAS to be an epilogue. No way they would fuck us over like that

>>92576486
Couldn't have Simon just given himself as fuel to save Nia's life? There, now instead of Nia ceasing to exist it's Simon, and Simon won't have to live with a knowledge of his spiral power abuse. He doesn't become another Spiral King and Nia can live on in Simon's memory.

>>92575346
At least Nia went through with her vows before disappearing.

When thinking about how Jack would get back to the past(if he even was going too) before this episode aired, I actually for a split second thought to myself "well Ashi is part Aku so maybe she'll gain control through the power of love and be able to somewhat use Akus powers and twoe open a portal in time and fling jack into the past" then I realized how fucking dumb that would be.

>>92580126
Except that he admited that he was just shitposting and false flaging on the stick, because people give him "YOUs".

>>92582614
There's no way Simon would kill himself to save some roastie. Also, isn't spiral power based on the will to survive? I doubt it works if you kill yourself with it.

>>92572688
I'm only interested if all the corruption stuff going on episodes 9 and 10 means there's a lot of corruption/mindbreak porn as well. Was that the case?

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Never forget

>>92582680
>implying Shaggyfag was one person

>>92572643
It's far more beautiful than that, anon. This ending that looks like a bittersweet victory for Jack in essence creates a temporal paradox that wipes itself out. After all, since Ashi cannot exist without Aku's future being real Jack cannot exist as he is now, especially since his victory over Aku was only possible because of her. Thus she could never be the true solution to destroying Aku. Moments after the "ending" Jack and his new world will cease to exist recreating the future where Aku rules supreme, which is the future the Jack we saw thrown into the time portal will arrive in, basically back to the very start of the series.

This is the worst kind of paradox in which the Aku future is always doomed to destroy itself thanks to Ashi and yet the new, happy timeline cannot exist without her. Thus the happy world will always vanish and be replaced by the Aku future. Jack is doomed to forever a happy ending that is not really happy and also cannot last.

This is basically a huge metaphor for rewatching the entire series soon to be released on DVD in a special box set from Adult Swim!

>>92580754
I agree with you on his first paragraph, all that shit is a matter of personal taste, but his criticism about the pacing isn't. There was no lead up to the ending, we got like two to three minutes to wrap up Ashi's subplot and for a lot of people myself included it was unsatisfactory.

When Nia died it felt like a tragic punch to the gut though. When Ashi died I didn't really care.

>>92582935
Hence wasted

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Our jobs not over yet

>>92583101
It's been over in other threads. All over, in fact.

>>92583123
post it then

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>>92583101

>>92583160
Everytime someone makes it it vanishes.

>>92583279
That's the one.

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>>92572643
>HURF DURF the ending was sad so the character was pointless!

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>>92582893
The fact that this is so true

>>92583423
I love Ashi with all my heart, but it's hard not to feel she was pointless when her entire existence was wiped away.
At least if she just died, she and jack could be reunited in the afterlife.

>>92583279
>there will be no more of these
>samurai jack is over forever

..i...have something in my eye...

>>92583504
The conflict of interest for Jack IS a point. He finally won but paid a price more terrible than her death. You are saying "point = happiness of an ending," and that's just retarded.

>>92583504
You might as well say the same thing about the entire show, considering none of it happened once Aku was defeated in the past. But that would be retarded.

>>92583504
She was the one that allowed Jack to go back to the past in the first place. It wasn't pointless, without her (..And a contrived series of coincidental events) Jack wouldn't be able to undo the future that was Aku.

>>92583553
It's not just the lack of a happy ending. It's the fact that a sweet, beautiful, wonderful person went through absolute hell throughout her entire upbringing, had a small moment of hope that things could end well for her, and then suffered the most cruel and horrific fate that a sentient being can ever have.

>>92583504
It would be better writing too. If she died it would probably have been a sacrifice for Jack and an important emotional moment for her character.

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>>92583640
Life isn't fair.

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>>92583662
It's the exact same result, you dweeb. How is this ending less of an "important emotional moment for the character?"

>>92583543
There'll be a version for whatever show gets hyped up next.

>>92572643
it was her fault for teleporting him to back to the start in the first place, why not just hand him the sword and be done with it in the future

>>92583640
>then suffered the most cruel and horrific fate that a sentient being can ever have.
Being erased from existence is hardly most cruel and horrific fate a sentient being could have. That is just nothingness, just ceasing to be. There will be no sentience or being to have anything.

The most cruel and horrific fate would be an eternal existance of nothing but pain and suffering. All eternity hurting so much you want to die but you can't. Bonus points if eternity also allows to see life rise and die countless times in the universe until they realize on a long enough scale of time, everything is pointless.

>>92583640
Why would someone (effectively) dying mean their existence was pointless?

>>92575392
drink bleach you'll get your happy ending

>>92583907
Because it's not effectively dying. If she died, Jack could have buried a body, could have had a tangible reminder of the love he had for her.
But now literally all that she is or ever will be is a memory in the mind of a man who has lived far too long.

>>92575392
A BLOO BLOO BLOO WHY CAN'T MY FICTIONAL CHARACTERS BE HAPPY? THE WRITERS ARE CRUEL TO DO THIS TO REALLY REAL PEOPLE

>>92583967
Jack came to terms with the fact that he'll always only have memories of her. Why can't you?

>could have had a tangible reminder of the love he had for her.
What the hell does a body have to do with this? You don't need a body to mourn, or to remember someone.

>>92583967
What fucking diffference does it make? You seriously think people need to keep the body around to remember their loved ones? It's just a bunch of meat and bones that will be decomposed as time goes on.

If Jack reall wants he can always just make a grave for her, maybe bury her wedding dress there. There body makes no difference.

>>92575346
What's the difference between an homage and a rip off?

>>92583730
Because all she did was teleport him back to the past for a final battle and then disappear like a month later. The emotional effort put out by her and lack of giving up anything made her "death" not even all that sad. You just feel bad for Jack.

>>92584119
>lack of giving up anything
You mean like a "happily ever after" life together as husband and wife? Boy she sure didn't give up anything. What a completely weightless loss, am I right?

>>92582487
The ending was dogshit ON TOP of the fact ashi was the root cause of it for not only being an outrageously unlikable character but also taking up the entire season's time for fucking nothing.
As usual, feetfags ruin everything.

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>>92584175
>an outrageously unlikable character
Ashi wasn't my absolute favorite, but what is with this chip on your shoulder?

>>92584155
Im talking about literal sacrifice. Like using the last of her life energy to make the time portal or blocking a deadly blow aimed at Jack.

>>92584278
Her entire existence was her sacrifice. She gave Jack what he needed, transport back in time, but it cost her existence. If you can't see that as some kind of sacrifice you may seriously mentally impaired.

>>92584225
I'm the anon he replied to, and yeah I don't get the vitriol either other then I guess for her general impact on this season. I just kinda wish the season was longer, it'd probably have made me like Ashi a little bit more and would've made me care more that she poofed

>>92584278
She literally sacrificed herself by allowing Jack to go back and kill Aku in the distant past.
She also tried to hide the fact she was dying out for as long as she could to not worry him.

>>92584317
How are you not understanding what I'm saying is the way they executed that was shitty.

>>92584155
except they gave us no time or reason to invest in their 'happily ever after'. I'm not saying it wasn't a sacrifice, but it didn't offer much emotional weight for me the viewer.

>>92584385
If by "shitty" you mean less cliche and boring, I agree. I can't believe you want her to take a spear in the back and just die on a battlefield like some common soldier instead of have something interesting happen.

>>92584438
>cliche "I have no clue how time travel works" death
>not cliche
Choose one

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>>92584317
What he is saying is that the sacrifice held no emotional weight TO HIM because he thought it was shoddily executed. As in, how he the viewer felt about her sacrifice.

THE PROBLEM WITH REWRITES REVEALED


SAMURAI JACK SEASON 5


Often, when people talk about Season 5 of Samurai Jack so many years ago, they often talk about how it had poor pacing and rushed, and "needed more episodes"

But what's clear is that the problem never was "more episodes". In fact the opposite is true, if your series has bad pacing, more episodes is never the solution

The problem with Season 5 of Samurai Jack that aired in 2017 is the lack of a rewrite.

no amount of episodes would change the endgame where Ashi could not physically be involved with the action of Jack going back to the past

it really seems like the writers found this out way too late, because the script for episode 10 acknowledges the paradox but just lets it sit there without making any attempt to clarify or fix it, leaving the viewers extremely confused in the final 180 seconds of samurai jack

ultimately, this robs us of satisfaction. We are now confused, we are no longer satisfied the series is over. This only raises more questions that will never be answered. And it's all because they didn't fix the script

The problem with writing is always deadlines. You have a deadline to make a script, and in the case of Season 5 they had to ransform a movie script into a 10-episode mini-series, so the writers had a lot of work on their hands, and not enough time to do it.

On the other hand, rewriting Season 5 to not include Ashi in the ending might have drastically changed the message and theme the series was going for, something the directors and other members might not have been okay with. And so sometimes when there's a flaw in the writing you have to let it pass so you can convey the message you want.

This is the problem with rewrites.

>>92584465
>"I have no clue how time travel works"
Can you prove it doesn't work like this? I wasn't aware you had a degree in time travel.

>>92584489
Oh, well in that case, "I disagree."

>>92584119
If you feel back for Jack, the goal of getting an emotional response was achieved anyway.
It's like when a friend loses a loved one you didn't care all that much about, but you feel sad for your friend.

There are people that connected with Ashi and felt sad for her death, others just felt sad for Jack's loss. Genndy probably wanted people to have either of these two reactions to the finale, as the emotional response to the episode is the same.

>>92584503
>>>/tumblr/

>>92582893
fuck man, I just want to see the good guy beat the bad gay

>>92584438
If thats the way you think they should do it man. Im just saying theres a bunch of better potential ways to demonstrate how strong her bond to Jack was when its already inevitable she dies or goes away.

>>92578455
>Hey maybe you should let go of the past and accept them as memories

But that's defeatist shit. In our world it may be more or less ok. For now. In worlds where time travel and other ways to reach for the dead exist it is totally another matter.

>>92583599
>(..And a contrived series of coincidental events)
You mean Aku destroying every remaining time portal?

>>92583423
God, I WISH it was so sad, I didn't fucking care. Gurren Lagan did it better because it actually had time to properly write and pace Simon and Nia's relationship. Nia's death made me bawl, Ashi's death was just kind of an emotional nothing.

>>92584615
I suppose it affects people differently; in my case I'm still kind of emotionally stunned. Sadly, it's more for Jack's loneliness than Ashi's demise, although I do feel bad for her.

>>92584565
Great comeback. Really relevant.

>>92584497
That they wasted Ashi's last moments to provide exposition instead of properly foreshadowing it also kind of proves your point. I think the show would've improved considerably with more time and a few rewrites, even if they ended it in a very similar fashion.

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>>92582765
He probably could if Nia agreed to that. Now what are the chances of that?

>>92584571
That's the beauty of it! He's basically always fighting Aku now!

But yeah if you want an ultra happy ending where he gets the girl then imagine that Ashi wasn't erased from existence because without Aku's future she would never be born, rather with Aku dead the essence of him that was used in her creation has burned away leaving her incomplete. Without his magical essence she cannot exist.

UNLESS he uses his future knowledge to search for any of the ancient mystical crap he's learned about, including gods and, naturally, Celtic magic to try and fix this shit. She clearly didn't vanish totally from existence because he and everyone else remembers her. She just cannot continue existing without Aku, unless some other divine intervention happens.

>>92584603
No. I mean the series of events that led to Ashi surviving, changing sides and becoming Jack's companion (which also have things that happened by chance like Ashi sneaking up on Jack the exact moment he was interacting with a ladybug). Then Aku showing up when Jack was with her instead of the time he tried leaving her behind and going alone. Then Aku deciding to corrupt Ashi instead of using other means. Then the army saving Jack when Ashi was about to kill him, which gave him the opportunity of reaching out to her later.

If all that hadn't happened, Jack wouldn't have someone with Aku's powers on his side to open the portal, and those things were mostly coincidental.

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>>92582083

Either Ashi dies as soon as Aku to preserve the causality (even though it's already screwed but w/e) or she lives due to temporal isolation, as she is introduced to the past with no point of reference for her existence other than non-existent future - she effectively inserts herself into reality without necessity of needing causality to sustain her presence since she already removes herself from chain of causality by traveling backwards in time.

This is in keeping with linear time perception from Jack's point of view and preserves consistency of time travel within the show.
She does not have to disappear, has no way of disappearing from reality and with Aku's magic done, reality asserts itself with matter and people present at given time, effectively resolving any paradoxes by disregarding them through factual presence of Ashi in Jack's "past".

>>92584830
Or he realizes that it's the journey not the destination, gets on with his life happy that he's set right what once went wrong and he can hopefully find a nice local girl who doesn't have a horse mouth.

I though because of the split timelines she just phased back into the one she exists in? She can't have not existed because of the paradox. So she and everyone else in the future still exist in a different reality

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>>92584843
Are you dumb?

>>92584870
Please stop being clinically retarded anytime.

>>92584870
Honestly since the time stuff is a bit of a mess the easier explanation is because Aku jizzed some of his essence into a cup for crazy ladies to worship and one of the crazy ladies used it to make a half-Aku baby, then with Aku dead Ashi's Aku essence has been slowly burning away inside her.

In a kinder series when this runs out she simply loses her mystical abilities, so all the Aku powers she doesn't need not anyway. However it could be argued, if this is even true, that the series chose the ending where half a being cannot exist on its own. With her Aku half destroyed she simply can no longer continue existing. However all of her actions in the timeline still happened for the new future to be created and this explains why Jack still remembers her. She still existed, she just cannot exist anymore.

Now maybe, MAYBE, he can find a way to bring her back using magic (though I suspect Genndy prefers the ending where she's gone but Jack carries on and "you gotta carry that weight"). If we absolutely need Jack to have love in his life then, okay, the Jack we saw thrown into the future arrives in a scifi paradise where Aku was defeated, stays for awhile, meets the Scotsman and everyone else and they're all super happy, no problems, and then he eventually returns to the past ... only to discover the other Jack who arrived with Ashi. They stare at each other for a moment, then smile and shout, "NOW NEITHER OF US SHALL BE VIRGINS!"

Boom, there you go. Happy ending.

>>92585200
The idea that everything and everyone we had seen for 5 seasons was wiped from existence is crazy. Especially after setting aside an entire episode for endings to past characters

>>92585200
OR

The Jack who lost Ashi becomes obsessed over her loss and at the end sees the ladybug and realizes he has to get her back. He travels the world anew only this time his teachers are the darkest sorcerers of the age. He soon masters all the dark arts but it still isn't enough to bring Ashi back. Grief giving way to fury and madness he becomes the new Aku, conquers the world as the new immortal and all-powerful force of evil and darkness who creates the nightmare future that the other Jack arrives in, forcing this Jack to defeat himself.

>>92585341
Who cares, the entire new season was a waste just because we didn't get a stinger ending where we see Scaramouche survives yet again despite the explosion and hitched a ride back into the past. At least he shall live forever in memes!

>>92585373
Or jack lives in the past in this timeline, but when Ashi is forced back to her timeline she uses her powers to warn her past self and Jack what will happen. Content that there is now a world where he stops Aku in the past that Jack stays in the future

I still say you needed a farewell at the very least from Ashi, some bit of encouragement from her for Jack to make the scene work better. Might have a passing reference to her trying to resist dissolution for a while now.

For a series that thrives on clichés executed well I'm surprised they didn't go with "changing the past is not worth it", it's a staple of time travel stories.

>>92585492
Or the Jack we saw Aku send to the future this time ends up realizing he was never comfortable in his body and in the newly enlightened future he has super science operations to turn him into a beautiful horse mouthed lady. She then buys a ticket at the nearest time travel agency, travels to the past, meets her male self who instantly falls in love with her and asks her for her name. She says, "Ashi."

Enjoy your newly enlightened happy ending.

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>>92585829

>>92585829
t. Heinlein

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>>92575539
Nice ending, brah

>>92585341
b-but he was trying to undo the future for all the 5 seasons

>>92586017
I think it works a little better, if only because it lets us focus more on closure for Ashi and Jack, and the ending sorely lacks in a good sense of that to me.

Nothing wrong with Ashi's inclusion, it's just that the literal final moments of the show felt extremely rushed.

Ashi disappears during the wedding and not right after Aku dies, why? Ashi says nothing to jack and instead just observes her non-existence, why? Jack gets no closure with the fact that everyone he knows in the future never existed and they aren't ever referenced again, why? You might say that real life isn't happy endings either but there have been so many episodes with symbolic or fantastical resolutions that it's ridiculous that Jack's final words with the love of his life and savior of the future would be "Uh guess I don't exist anymore cya"

Ashi's final moments only confirm that her character started and ended as just a plot device and nothing more. Genndy says the ending is bittersweet but its far more bitter than it is sweet.

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>>92585959
It was me, Jack! It was Destiny all along!

So why didn't Future Aku chase Jack to the past?

>>92585687
Genndy knew people would call for his head if Jack never went back to the past.

>>92586138
He would have but there was no...TIME.

HAHA, GET IT!?

>>92586138
Might've been on the way to do so after his paralyzing fear ended.

I'd fuck her

>>92585687

it's a really stupid staple though

>>92586138
He probably can't teleport himself, considering if he could then he wouldn't just teleport jack to the future, he would teleport himself to the past and just kill jack as a baby

>>92586278
Ashi Teleported Herself, and you could argue She is weaker than Aku

>>92586278
No, see, you're not getting it. If he can't teleport himself then he'll just use his powers to revive Scaramouche's corpse and send it back in time to murder Sarah Connor.

Way to think outside the time traveling phonebooth, Ted.

>>92575539
not bad at all

And what happened to the Jack that was just sent to the future, Is He in a future without Aku? or was He erased?

>>92586388
closed loop brah

>>92572643
Killing of Ashi was the worst thing Gennedy could have done.

Ashi is just so perfect how could he kill her?

Bittersweet endings in general are shit. People want to feel like they've made this mature masterpiece because no one is happy because happy endings are "so cliche". Hey, people like to see a journey end on a high note, they want to leave something satisfied, not with a bad taste in their mouth.

>>92575539
Additionally, this montage bit

>Montage continues - show signs of the kingdom being rebuilt, but Jack keeps to himself as the seasons pass, back turned on the world

Stage it as a mirror to Jack reminiscing about his kingdom to Ashi, only invert it. Instead of taking in the splendor of the world, he stays inside, back to the doors and windows as he goes through the motions.

>>92586410
Then who was Aku?

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Ashi's was final sacrifice in a series about a man who's sacrificed for so many others. The only problem I have is that Jack suffers from it, but he seemed to be content regardless.

That last scene always leaves me with a lump in my throat. The scenery, the music, everything about it.

And then the music fades before the credits finish, reflecting the emptiness you're left to contemplate. It hurts too good.

>>92586412
You can't kill her if she never existed to begin with.

I wish the entire series had been bearded, borderline-suicidal Jack as a broken man struggling to survive without the sword.
The romance shit ruined it.

>>92572643
>wastes

But she was how Jack was able to get back to and defeat Aku in the past.

It's a pretty crucial point of the plot and ending.

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>>92586431
Well, there's the little gaiden chapter /co/ wrote up last night: >>92580399

>>92586412
I just hate it because they were funny together and made one another happy. I don't think I've ever seen Jack smile that much. They played well off one another.

>>92586431
The problem with bittersweet endings, or at least a good amount of them, is that they are made purposefully bittersweet instead of realistic which is what they are trying to go for. Real life can be bittersweet or even just straight up shitty, but writers pull out these retarded endings out of nowhere that lack any cinematic punch and leave viewers unimpressed.

The ending to Life is Beautiful is bittersweet but it results in some sort of resolution for the child. The ending to Red Dead Redemption is bittersweet but its an important symbol of the end of an era. The ending to Samurai Jack is just nothing, it's 'fuck Jack, he doesn't get a happy ending'

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>>92581904
technically, three

>>92576340
Given the quality of the series finale I'm pretty sure Jack's real name was Hiro.

>>92579358

Your waifu is dead anon.
Actually worse than dead - she never even existed to begin with.

I thought it was kind of a waste spending the season developing her and sending on course to eventually join Jack, but then I remembered that if not for her Jack would not have been able to complete his original mission of returning to the past and slaying Aku.

>>92579643
Gurren Lagaan's ending had better set up, was telegraphed if you watched closely, and most importantly, was accepted by the characters and played into the narrative rather than intended to be some kinda shocking last minute twist for greater profundity.

>>92586454
Same here. I just feel so empty, but in a good way. It's a kind of sadness that transcends the series itself and has adhered to me for the rest of the day. It's been a while since I've felt this way.

>>92579832
Cartoons aren't better if they're just gonna rip anime off.

>>92586543
Ashi's sacrifice, I suppose, is a touchstone for ALL the future people who are now never-weres or never-were-like-thats. Going back to the past, even with the love and consent of comrades and friends and his lover does not come without an emotional toll.

Does anyone have a link to the sticky from last night?

I wasn't here for the sticky and I'd really like to see everyone's reaction to everything from the cameos,to the final scene

>>92583553
It'd mean more and probably be more acceptable if he knew about that price and accepted it beforehand rather than having it sprung on him afterward.

>>92586755
There's a built-in archive now where you can look for this stuff.

>>92548911

>>92586776
Arguable. I kind of suspected as much, personally.

They spent so long trying to make me care about Ashi but I just never did. She was a flat character and every single beat of her story was formulaic.
And because her subplot was so padded out, pretty much every other part of the season was either used to prop her up, or had no time to be explored.
Scotsman being ghosted should have happened EPISODE ONE and been a recurring subplot, if only for gag purposes. The big battle at Aku's tower should have happened by the beginning of episode 9 at the latest, leaving two episodes for the final battle and time for a proper epilogue. The Guardian and his time portal should have been destroyed on-screen early on as the last remaining portal, to mark one of the major turning points for Jack's emotional state.
But instead we got a dull "misguided evil lady turned love interest" with a cliched character arc who took up half the season's running time.

>>92586797
Dude, a lot of us did. Hell there were threads a week ago that predicted the last episode verbatim.

But we are not the characters in the story. Which is who I'm talking about. If Jack gets screwed out of nowhere from his perspective, that's a shitty outer limits twist. If he/they KNOW they're gonna get screwed but then go through with it anyway, it's a heroic sacrifice.

The distinction is why Gainax got away with it.

>>92586776
I don't think it was a choice he could have made if it had been posed to him, "annihilate these people or accept the annihilation of those." Ashi cut the gordian knot there. She never did have Jack's tendency to bog down in moral qualms.

>>92583996
>defending it
unironically kill yourself

>>92586792
Thanks Anon,but the sticky for the live watching of CI just isn't there

Only post broadcast discussion

>>92586862
I still believe it comes down to a matter of preference. If Jack knows beforehand, sure, it becomes more of an internal struggle. But it also drags on the story more. Maybe they felt that put too much melodrama on it, and I'm not convinced that's wrong.

>>92586964
https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/92548911/#q92570315

>>92586986
There's also the matter that Jack already chose death/defeat over killing Ashi. If he knew and decided to still go for it, it goes against his previously established character.

To have him turn-heel and choose saving the past over Ashi would be redundant.

>>92587039
thank you based anon

the same thread that I got from using the archive only had the last 1300 post and began with post broadcast discussion

>>92572643
The season's major problems originated entirely from Ashi. If she was just one of the daughters who were killed by jack, i think the season would be much better. When it comes to "ripping off" Gurren Legann, i feel that with the direction that they went with in regards to ashi being spared by jack and then becoming a love interest, it was the best option in my eyes. It did make me feel sad after the end though similar to ending of Gurren Legann. Both shows ended in a hard, sad, but kind of soothing way as both characters accepted the reality but that reality was harsh and uncaring.

>>92586986
More melodrama than what we got? Really?

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>>92572643
It would make a lil bit more sense if she would have faded away immediately. Why did they have to make that stupid wedding scene?

>>92587122
You know what I mean. It plunges the entire ending, from the moment Jack discovers he has a choice to make, UNTIL ashi disappears, instead of just the moments after she goes. So yes, MORE melodrama.

>>92587132
Because if you're gonna steal, steal everything?

>>92587142
If you telegraph the decision you don't actually need to spend the time afterwards. The time afterwards was acceptance, just move that to before.

>>92587147
That's where they went wrong. It was so obvious they stole, they could have altered it a bit. Don't we all learn these experiences from high school?

>>92587182
The ending is more profound if you have to deal with your feelings AT the very end. If you have that long to get over it, it stings less. So you're saying you want less sting, but that goes against the emotional impact they wanted.

>>92586138
Genndy's a hack

>>92575539
I'm so glad corny ashifaggots like you got btfo

reading this shit made me cringe

>>92587182
I suppose you're right. You spend more time dwelling, but overall it lightens the mood. It's still a different handling though, and they chose the one they wanted.

>>92587232
Which is why I asked was that really LESS melodramatic? By definition melodrama is to provoke an emotional response.

In fact I'm a little surprised there was no skyward no scream.

>>92587371
>In fact I'm a little surprised there was no skyward no scream.
Because they wanted Jack sad, but not destroyed. It's why they showed him coming to terms at the end.

>>92586138
you can't chase someone to the past, as soon as they've left they've already beat you there, it's already happened.

Technically he never would have even had time to react to it with "oh no", as soon as Jack and Ashi left Aku was dead for 1000s of years.

>>92581771
It's the best fight because the emperor's is nowhere near as strong as Jack, so he was in real danger the entire time. It was more intense and painful to watch.

>>92572688

She wasn't hot enough nor was the porn good enough to justify the season's existence like say Korra.

Meanwhile at Tokyo Ghoul post coitus via Kaneki and Touka if you guys are thirsty

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>>92582893
Still eagerly awaiting the box set tho

>>92575392
>>92578603
Sad endings are 'deeper' because it acknowledges human nature. You can't experience something profound, or fight a war without a part of you becoming a part of it.

The last season of Jack needed something to tie him to the future. Most of the show tried to make a point that even in a future where the ultimate evil won, goodness and love can florish. Jack going into the past would null on the time they spent on that message.

Ashi is the part of Jack that changed due to his adventures.

>>92584673
keep digging that hole tumblrfag

>>92578418
>Shaggyfag was right the whole time

>>92587307
All I did was shift events around and cut the wedding, but yeah I admit to being ridiculously corny.

>>92580956
Its almost like he was led on by CN into thinking he had more episodes.

>>92579643
well first of all, its not the first time you see it

second, GL had a much better set up, Nia was there for about 3/4 of the series, there was a reason for her to last until the wedding and overall she felt like a plot device by the end of it all, she almost didnt feel like a character

>>92580930
Dude, Jack spent 50 years wandering around looking for a time portal and then Ashi shows up and pulls one out of her ass.

She literally achieved more in a 30 second sequence than anyone else in the show including jack during the course of 5 seasons.

>>92580126
Wouldn't he still be wrong, though, because even if she winked out of existence she still existed, else Jack wouldn't remember her and have gone all mopey and needed a magic ladybug to protect his smile.

I get that it's a trolls and trolls gotta troll, they don't care about shit like facts, but this feels more like he was 100% wrong but can still enjoy the tears of people who wanted a happy romantic ending. At best he got a participation prize.

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Jesus Dali Lama Christ this ending.

I mentioned in a previous thread that this was the single worst possible ending they could do, that any show that involves time travel endangers themselves with.

By undoing everything like that, it just made the past... 10ish years of Samurai Jack and our childhood null-n'-void.

I'm not even 100% salty. I'm just in that weird point between sad and nihilistic.

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>>92582893
>tfw you're right
>>92584571
This

>>92588641
Jack remembers the future and the people in it, it was a part of his journey, even if that future doesn't exist anymore. That's true for our viewers as well.

I never understood this kind of complaint. In a show about changing the future, how does changing the future makes it null? Especially when the protagonist remembers what he's learned and the people he met in his journey.

>>92588679
For whatever it's worth >>92582893 cannot be right since Ashi didn't actually vanish from time, otherwise nobody would remember her. It appears that the, probable, answer is the theory that Ashi wouldn't exist because part of her existence was directly linked to Aku. Like Aku said, he literally smelled himself in her because Ashi's mom used the bit of Aku's body he left for those weird chicks to worship was used to create Ashi herself. It wasn't his DNA, it was literally himself, which is why she had his same powers at his same magnitude. He was literally fighting himself, but without him she couldn't exist on her own. His magic was sustaining her.

I suppose, though, this could be one of those time paradoxes that was slowly erasing itself? Ashi's body vanished first but her memories remained. When Jack saw the world lighting up that wasn't the sun, that was the rest of the world starting to disintegrate?

>>92575539
well done

Superior Jack story coming through

https://www.fanfiction.net/s/12449184/1/Past-and-Present

>Kishi is the apprentice of Jack, known enemy of Aku, when he runs into a agent of his enemy, he and Jack must decide if she can be trusted. rated m for extreme violence, death, dark themes and some curses. OC X Ashi.

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>>92588786
So all those people had to give up their lives and futures for Jack's sake? Also,
>Aku kept the world, AND Jack's waifu, alive for millennia, having turned it into a battlefield where the population can grow into strong proud warriors
>Jack destroys it and all those people by wiping it out of the timestream in a fit.
>mfw the Priestess was right all along

>>92588786
and how the hell does that make any sense?

this show has the most completely inconsistent rules ever

>>92588961
Yeah, they really missed the chance at some good story telling. Out of destruction and chaos is born new life, its a common enough trope. Aku gave us Ashi, and the union of her and Jack could have given us a new child and the hope for a new world free of Aku.

Instead he actually went back the past and made his entire Journey meaningless. Why did he even bother to save people in the future?

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>Futurefags are this butthurt that a series about a guy trying to return to the past ends with him returning to the past.

>>92589006
It's pretty common for the time traveler to remember everything he's been through despite the changes in the timeline. Can't think of that many stories that don't have the traveler remember actually. Or is it not what you're complaining about?

>>92589201
>stripping away the context to make a shitty half passed point
Fuck off its already been posted >>92578864

>>92572643
It's the Genndy "Savior Of Western Cartoons" Tartakovsky's writing

Episode 1 and 2 were great. We had introduction to the new Jack, who was suffering because he couldn't go back to the past and because he was haunted by the children he couldn't protect and the green samurai, aka introduction to the plot and the mystery of losing his sword. Then Jack is forced to kill a human being, a young girl. He is shocked and confused. Both episodes had good pacing that felt correct and left me on the edge. Scaramouche was an entertaining villain, and threat from Daughters of Aku felt real.

Episode 3:

> Jack: Good doggo helps. Get flashback from father. Killing is good now.

Episode 4:

> Jack: I just killed five of her sisters seconds ago but i will keep this one alive because plot.

> Ashi: This Samurai who is said to me to be my mortal enemy and who just killed six of my sisters is holding a ladybug. OMG he's actually the good guy.

Episode 5:

>Jack: Aku is bad. Look at this fucking tree.
>Ashi: I believe you now.

>Jack didn't even check if the children are indeed dead.
>Goes with the green samurai.

Episode 6:

>CRINGE RAVE

>Oh look. The build up for the Death Samurai is wasted because apparently he is a fat flying retard of seppuku or some shit.

>Cliche "You made ma new person, you showed me the truth." talk.

>Jack: I'm no longer suicidal now.

Episode 7:

>Gotta get sword back.
>Meditates
>Meets small old man.
>Makes tea for the old man.
>Old man says it's terrible and i'm imbalanced
>MAD JACK: Kill him and take the sword.
>Jack: Fuck you, mad me. I'm no longer mad.
>Old man: You're balanced now. Take sword and fuck off.

Episode 8:

>Retarded romance filler.

Episode 9:

>Actually kinda good one if not for the awkward lovey dovey stuff.

Episode 10:

>Jack: Ashi! You got Aku's powers!
>Ashi: I DO! *back to the past*
>Jack kills aku
>Going to marry Ashi
>Ashi faints
>Jack: Ashi! What's wrong?!
>Ashi: Time Paradox, lol. *poofs*

10/10 writing boys

>lady bug flies back to jack
>lands on his shoulder
>crawls up to his ear
>whispers
>"foolish samurai"

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>>92590052
Sums it up pretty well. Good job on Genndy ruining his own series. He wins a special chamber just for him.

>>92575392
i agree give me my fucking sappy ending you fucks.

>>92591414
The general made one up last night that was EXTRA SAP, the cap is posted up-thread.

>>92591414
>>92591484
I now demand EXTRA SAP from my future stories. And I can't count on Disney because even they are aborting the traditional hetero romance angle. Last one we had was Tangled.

Aku announcing to the world the original opening as part of his attempting execution of Jack meant all of the people who came to Jack's aid knew if Jack succeeded, they would cease to exist. Even without that, all of them came willing to die to help Jack end Aku once and for all.

>>92591861
I'm fine with it where it feels believable and earned. And Jack and Ashi definitely earned a happy ending without any last minute 'fuck yous.'

>>92592472
True.

I feel if this ending fucks up in two key places, it's not giving Jack closure in his relationship to the people of the future or to Ashi. They're just suddenly ripped away in both cases, and Jack doesn't get a chance to acknowledge or thank them, or to tell them how he feels.

>>92576909
Nothing, they have no problem and nothing to explain, they are Gods, literal god in the SJ universe. Horus, Odin, And Vishnu(?) have nothing to explain because they are above all the petty concerns of humanity, they are ambivalent, mortal maters are not their concern.
Aku was a god like being but on the mortal playing field intervening with the sword was doing more than they should have in the first place, but it gave mortals a chance to balance thing out

>>92592662
>Vishnu

Yes, but I think Rama specifically. Someone more informed on Hinduism will have to butt in.

>>92592572
unless gods are immune from timeline change. Jack can pray to them to thank them for help.

>>92592572
Jack was suspended from his original timeline. He fit into the old one and reasserted as a part of it while everything that didn't got wiped away. Ashi was a hanger-on from the negated future timeline, so away she went, while Jack remained in his proper place.

>>92584859
Exactly what I thought

Ashi more like A Shit am I right, fellow 4 Channers? : )

The last five minutes felt like they just ran out of time or budget or both.

>>92595231
Time, I think. I dunno why they didn't ask for a bit more. Hell, five more minutes would've helped.

>>92572802
>She should never have existed
Well hey lookit that wish came true

>>92592662
>Aku
>godlike
He jobbed to the ocean spirit, any god would one shot him.

>Scotsman offered any of his daughters to Jack
>Jack refuses for a scrawny apeface
>he refused prime thick scotsgirl ass
>the one he chose fucking died because her lifesource was killed
At least in some way or another Scotsman could have survived, and his daughter wouldn't fade away because her parent was killed before she was born
FUCK jack, your shit taste ruined the ending for me

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I've been doing some thinking and I have some ideas on how to improve the show.

One, Ashi needs to be louder, angrier, and have access to a time machine.

Two, whenever Ashi's not on screen, all the other characters should be asking "Where's Ashi"?

Three--

>>92595419
He (and you?) wishes! If she had never existed Jack wouldn't have been all mopey about her and needed ladybug assistance.

>>92580399
New headcanon

>>92590052
Yeah. I understand season 5 was under time constraints due to only 10 episodes, but it really feels like Genndy could have done a way better job than this.

>>92572643
I fucking hate that genndy revolved the final 10 episodes around her. Fuck, what a waste.

>>92596199
It's really fucking simple really
>remove ashi
>???
>fixed

>>92577109
>tfw aku was the good guy all along

>Didn't end with Jack returning home to find Ashi
>They stare at eachother for several seconds
>Cut to black
>"EVERYB-"

>>92591067
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mAorIEjwDRE

>>92578499
>It's not like TTGL just dropped her in the middle of part 2 and made her the light of Simon's life

This is literally what happened though.

>>92586576
I'm pretty sure there's more than one other cartoon in the world that's had a girl stare at a bug you autist.

>>92582614
It seems like he could definitely just bind his own life energy to hers, just so she lives as long as he does.

>>92597406
She was in from the middle of part 1

>>92597406
>Episode 9 of 27
>middle of part 2

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>>92582614
Honestly I was never really clear on why Nia disappeared in the first place. It wasn't like she was adopted by Genome, I mean he looks identical to Nia with short hair in his youth. I always felt it weak that you're supposed to buy that she was an anti-spiral spy the whole time.

It just made the entire ending leave a bad taste in my mouth, not because it was sad but because it felt so damn forced.