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You cannot tell me that this ending scene in particular wasn't

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You cannot tell me that this ending scene in particular wasn't fucking tear jerking.
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Yes I can
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I can tell you whatever the fuck I want fuccboi
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>>92569050
It was shit.
My god, you got played like a fucking fiddle to get worked this hard by shitty writing.
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I can with ease. Nothing was tear jerking because the whole "people in the future wouldn't exist if Aku was killed in the past" was something we noticed BACK WHEN THE ORIGINAL SHOW AIRED. So we spent our time wondering how Genndy would manage to pull off a good ending avoiding that, and silently hoping he COULD avoid that.

Turns out he couldn't.
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>>92569050
what did he see in that ladybug?
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Fuck Ashi and fuck season 5.
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>>92569050
I can tell you whatever I want.
Ashi never told Jack what ladybug's meant to her.
All I wanted was some sort of payoff to King Jack.
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>>92569237
>All I wanted was some sort of payoff to King Jack.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH.... Nope.
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That ending was dogshit, and that's coming from me.

Man, just dumb. Things were going so well until this episode.
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it wasn't ashi is garbage good riddance
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>>92569237
This. During Ashi's change of heart scene, Jack's eyes are closed and Ashi is behind him. He has no idea what ladybugs are to her.
Another example of the horrible, rushed writing. Genndyfags will defend this
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>>92569050
original ending donutsteel
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>>92569050
Someone edit this so that the lady-bug's eyes erupt into GREAT FLAMING EYEBROWS
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>they copied gurren laganns ending
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>>92569383
While I agree the ending was dogshit, it's easy to argue that he's not thinking of Ashi, just appreciating that there's still beauty in the world without her.
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>>92569050
Tearjerking? Fuck no.
It did feel like a weight has finally been lifted though. It feels goods and I pity the dead who never got to feel such a relief.
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What's with the janitor instantly deleting Ashi death threads? He's probably the same guy who posted the unembeded EVERYBODY video.
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>>92569391

fuck I was thinking this the entire time

brofist anon XD
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HOLD UP GUYS this still happens
>jack has spent more of his natural life in the future then in the past
>he relates to nothing there, has no friends
>he never finds happiness ever
>jacks father passes away a decade or so after the finale and Jack becomes ruler
>for many many years Jack leads his kingdom to health and happiness, it is strong and rightous, but Jack cannot fight his longing to return to the future
>One day after nearly a century of rule Jack takes a horse from the stable and vanishs
>He quests across the earth to where the Guardians Portal resides in his time, pic related
>What took you so long my man?
>WACHA
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>>92569050
The ending itself fucking killed me inside.
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>>92569475
>a Genndyfag tried to defend this
Well, I called it.
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>>92569530
>and leaves his kingdom behind
Anon.
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>>92569379
I HATE EVERY APE I SEE
TO CHIMPAN"A" TO CHIMPAN"SHI"
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>>92569530
I love you
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>>92569530
Why would he go back to the future? Ashi is gone, as well as his friends. Aku was erased, so the future wouldn't be the same.
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>>92569050
Actually, I can. And I will.
This ending in particular wasn't tear jerking.
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>>92569304
what the fuck did you expect??

I liked the ending and I think at every fucking ending we would have gotten /co/ would just throw one big fuckfest
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>everyone pictured here is dead
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>>92569050
>tear jerking.

I never gave a shit about Ashi. She came out of nowhere and it became some forced romance. They knew each other for like a week.

I was satisfied when she died.
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>Spirits/afterlife are canon in Samurai Jack
>if he had stayed in the future, his family and past friends could look down upon him rebuilding from heaven
>Ashi was wiped from ever existing. literally all she is or ever will be is a fading memory in Jacks mind
>we could have had jacks spirit parents look down at his wedding with happiness
>we got them seeing their son lose the one person he had loved in at least 50 years
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>>92569050
Its a bug, that's not tear jerking, just jack getting over his week long crush.
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>>92569642
not existing isn't the same as dead, and who's to say that an alternate version of them doesn't exist
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>>92569642
They never existed
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>>92569642
they all will be born again and will live in a peaceful world without Aku, fuck you
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>>92569620
I'm just disappointed. Just solely disappointed.
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anyone have a link or anything for the last episode ?
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>>92569145
Fucker, at least he acknowledged that it happened, rather than just leaving it up to interpretation causing endless debates forever. Or worse, deciding canon outside of the source material in an interview
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>>92569665
>>92569674
A person is the product of the experiences they live through, take that away and that person ceases to exist.
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>>92569642
Damn. Those kids have a chance of existing again, but not Ashi. She's gone. No chance of ever existing.
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>>92569642
this is the intrinsic problem with time travel, no matter how you do it, everyone gets fucked
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>>92569784
see>>92569660
The people who died under aku's rule at least had the afterlife to look forward to.
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>>92569132
Ah, good ol' 4chan, always trying to ruin the shit for everybody
>>92569145
Maybe you did, I didn't. Sounse like your own headcanon butthurt.
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>>92569605
catchy jungle rave and sluts with flowers on their booty?
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>>92569795
the people who died under aku's rule never existed, and even if they did, they're still dead
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>>92569050
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>>92569832
I'm saying if jack stayed in the future, his family and others like them would have been in heaven, which is better than never existing.
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>>92569383
>she couldn't possibly tell him about a ladybug
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>>92569050
It made me feel sad, but I'm not sure if it was because of the scene itself or because it was the end of the series.
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TV-14

dat ass
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>>92569856
It should have been on screen development, like him learning her name.
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>>92569822
ruin what for everybody? a shitty ending without a proper closure? yeah ok

the ending was sad yes, but the ladybug scene was pointless. it almost felt as if the animators gave up near the ending and just wanted to get on with it.
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>>92569856
You're right, she couldn't. Because they either didn't have enough time or forgot to address it.
Stop fucking trying to defend this godawful writing jesus christ.
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>>92569050
I was more sad that Samurai Jack ended.
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>>92569620
>what the fuck did you expect??

I was going to reply by saying "good writing," but you actually have a point. What DID I expect? I, like many other people, have said the first few episodes were good, but in retrospect I can't say that anymore considering what was revealed. The season's premise was based around Jack doing virtually nothing for 50 years, leaving a magic sword down a hole for no good reason, not giving credence to the allies he made in the future, somehow killing someone for the first time in his entire career as a samurai, and romancing one the monkey-faced sibling of the people he killed.

Halfway through, I really shouldn't have expected better.
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>>92569728
yeah I'm so sad those people will live normal lives now and not fucking miserable ones
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wait so jack undid the evil that is aku,

so not only ashi gone but EVERYONE jack ever knew and helped is dead or never existed? oh god! morbid reality
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>>92569822
>Ah, good ol' 4chan, always trying to ruin the shit for everybody
How are anonymous people on the internet expressing negative opinions about a show "ruining shit for everybody?" If you don't like people voicing their feelings about what they saw, just leave or ignore the discussion. Don't act as if people not liking something is an invasion of your preferences.
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>>92569888
>ending on a symbol that was played an important role this season
Gee, what were they thinking, right?
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>/co/ loved ashi before episode 10
>episode 10 arrives
>/co/ hates her now
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Ashi a shit
At least Nia loved Shimon enough to vanish out of existence AFTER they had been wedded.
Ashi couldn't even exchange vows.
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>>92569988
No, it's actually like this in the future. You can't stop me headcanonin' now.
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>>92569656
jesus you have no fucking concept of time skips in fiction right? according to you idiot logic they knew each other for 20x9 minutes minus a bit. you think they travelled from that island to that city in a fucking day?
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>>92569988
The people he helped had been suffering for years without help though. And before them there are countless centuries of chaotic rule under Aku as he whored earth across the galaxy.

Most people that knew him also knew his goal was an eventual trip back in time and were fine with it.
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>>92570007
You know fully well that the amount of people who actually disliked it and the amount of shitposters are disproportional.
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>>92570015
I don't want to stop loving her, but knowing what her fate is sours the love that I hold for her.
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>>92570040
They never thought about it. Like, we don't understand how time travel works, why would they? Even Aku doesn't really understand, considering how he accidentally made his enemy immortal. Most of them never thought too much about it or thought Jack was going to simply slay Aku in the future.
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>>92569050
Yeah, it was tear-jerking in the sense that that was the point when you knew for sure that Genndy was a talentless faggot.
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>>92570032

X9 is never built you idiot
Ashi and her fucking 6 sisters coming from semen of ordinary guy? yeah sure you moron
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>>92569876
>that robust rear end

damn son, it's time to jack off

WATCHA
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Hi, I'm the George Lucas of cartoons.
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>>92569888
>doesn't understand symbolism

>posts on 4chan

Everything seems to be functioning as normal.
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>>92569379
Top right ain't so bad, but goddamn, why did they have to extend her face so fucking long like she was a fucking horse in the bottom right?

I understand it's stylized, but why couldn't they just keep it like at the top right?
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Is it a lesson of careful what yo wish for?
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>>92570143
Not really. So far, every thing Genndy has done has been good.
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>>92569050
Y-yes I c-can...
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>>92570143
Fucking this.
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>>92570022
They shared a passionate kiss during episode 8.
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>>92570235
I odn't see how. I wanted an ending to Jack's story and I got quite a neat one.
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This entire episode was laughable, and not in a good way.
>Hey let's get married
>bride disappears
>RECORD SCRATCH
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>>92570256
How? Genndy hasn't ruined any cherished franchise.
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>>92569175
>Fuck Ashi

He never go to...
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>>92570143
pretty much, but maybe i shouldn't blame genndy for the lack of quality and how rushed the last few episodes were

maybe he was given a shit deal by the people that greenlighted the project and this was the best that he could do
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If Ashi never existed, shouldn't Jack forget about her?
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Why did it take her so long to disappear?

FFX is way sadder.
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If they kept Aku sealed inside the sword, it would be a nice sequel hook
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>>92570263
No, is it a case of "careful what you wish for" for Jack. He winded up finally getting back to the past, but at what cost, since the good parts of his future ceased to exist.
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>>92570323
As others have pointed out, without Ashi existing, Jack should technically have never been able to get back to the past.
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>>92570337
Oh, yeah.
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Which anime would you have preferred Genndy to rip-off instead of Gurren Lagann?
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>>92570143
You are incorrect.
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>>92570347
>It's temporal magic, I don't need to explain shit
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>>92570323
First rule of time travel:
Don't question Time Travel logic.
Second rule of Time travel:
Fuck causality!
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>>92570353
I literally would have been fine with the episode ending 2 minutes earlier and just handwaving alternate timelines.
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>>92570353
What did this have to do with Gurren Lagann?
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>>92570353
Evangelion. The final episode could have been just like the last episode of Evangelion.
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from the dead sticky (also the spartan king didnt age somehow, and its the same VA so plothole, someone responded saying it could be split timeline evidence):

>>92570222
yes, the spartan king is on his deathbed telling a tale of jack but thats irrelevant now cus...

the future was eradicated from existence, and the spartans have no way of knowing of jack or the 300's sacrifice in the past


and on a 'reading inbetween the lines' level, 'theories' at this rate are pointless sense gennedy's flexing of his retcon muscles means it's a waste of effort to connect (even sensible things into a theory) points combined with the fact that it's ended now. gennedy can just correct any plotholes with social media posts now and people will let it pass.
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>>92570143
It's like poetry, it rhymes.
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>>92570353
If you are going to rip-off an anime you might as well rip-off the best. So Gurren it is either ways.
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>>92570377
>evangelion
>the last episodes felt just about as rushed and scrambled together as evangelion's original ending, where they literally ran out of budget and required a feature-length film to fix
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>>92569530
>>92569580
Abdicates to his son or whatever
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>>92570388
Would've preferred Jack aiming at the screaming, going "WATCHAAA", then falling dead like in Cowboy Bebop.
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where the MEGA link at
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>>92570421
*screen

Fucking auto-correct.
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>>92570378
>from the dead sticky (also the spartan king didnt age somehow, and its the same VA so plothole, someone responded saying it could be split timeline evidence):
Or it's his son or his grandson, simply.
Timeline seems obvious:
300 episode->the end of the 300 episode with the king lying on his bed telling the tale of Jack's accomplishment->Episode 10 of season 5, where the heir of the king Jack fought alongside is honouring his debt.
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>>92569050
So, Jack remembers her right? Some people on /co/ thought he didn't, but wouldn't he be all "Fuck am I doing at a wedding" if that was the case?
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so wtf was the point of the never-aging bullshit?
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>>92570377
So...even worse?
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>>92570378
It's his grandson. His son was already an adult in the 300 episode.
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>>92569145
This.
he could have ended all this shit when he was at the well those archer monks guarded. But instead of saving the entire world and it's future, he saved those monks. Why? So they would suffer for 50 years and then come back to help jack finally end aku.
Pretty much all the selfless things he did like that were completely pointless. Jack is a fucking moron in my eyes now, not a hero. He could have just went back a long ass time ago and ended it.
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>>92569050

This ending scene in particular wasn't fucking tear jerking.
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>>92570445
The reason Aku doesn't keep trying to kill Jack is because he's depressed at the idea of fighting Jack forever.
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>>92569145
He could have taken everyone he met back to the past with him for a hella party
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>>92570428
https://mega.nz/#!NzgB3QZZ!2rM-3pThoNGyL5DcEQq60QLGWYnvz_BxqJBq7pgpaBw

you're welcome
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>>92570436
>>92570458
His grandson wouldn't be as old as the King was in the 300 episode, and that's how he was depicted as being

I think it was an oopsie
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>>92570445
Wait. Did they not explain why Jack hadn't aged...
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>>92570445
see >>92570366
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I hate how, out of all the asspulls time travel ALWAYS causes, with making Jack randomly immortal being one of them, showing that Genndy is willing to make time travel asspulls, the one time travel asspull that everyone needed to end on, with Ashi just surviving as a normal human just because, didn't happen.

I also don't like how the episode leads you on, with if Ashi will live or die.
>Jack could have killed Ashi with the sword. Doesn't.
>Aku could have killed Ashi with the sword. Doesn't.
>Ashi could have been killed forever by her possession. Doesn't.
>Ashi could have just had Jack travel back in time alone, knowing that past Aku's death would unmake her. Doesn't.
>Ashi was suppose to instantly die when Aku was defeated. Instead, just her Aku side dies.
>Ashi randomly dies during her wedding, which was who knows how long after Aku's defeat.

Honestly, if you aren't even going to asspull us on her surviving in the past, or going to lead us on just to rip the carpet out from under us for the hell of it, then it would have ended better with staying in the future. It would have been way more consistent that way.

Also, the biggest issue is ending on such a depressing scene. "bittersweet" was a fucking lie. You know what "bittersweet" would be? Ending on a screen of Jack hugging both his parents, and catching a cute new girl's smile or something. At least hint that Jack gets to finally be happy. Instead, its Jack smiling at a bug while under a tree, thanks a lot asshole.
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>>92569145
It's almost on par with "it was all a dream" ending.
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>>92570485
thank.
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>>92569237
>Ashi never told Jack what ladybug's meant to her.
It's from the first episode where Ashi releases a ladybug into the world through a crack in the Aku temple she was being trained at Jack had the same sensation that Ashi felt when she peered into the crack.

That despite the pain they were feeling at the time, it's satisfying to release the innocent from impending doom. In Ashi's case she released a helpless little ladybug, in Jack's case the ladybug might've represented the future he just saved. All of his friends from the future, all of the lives he inspired to do good, and even Ashi herself all flew away to be free like the ladybug. He smiled knowing that they were better off without Aku, they were safe and/or free (in Ashi's case).

If Jack stayed in the future, Ashi would've still been Aku's daughter. His powers, his essence, his legacy. Jack's children would've been part of Aku, too. Can anyone really see Ashi being independent and stable in the longterm without turning into Aku 2.0? Ashi is free by being spared of this fate, even if it meant erasing her from existence.
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>>92569642
They never existed to begin with.
That's far worse than death.
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>>92570486
why not? during 300 episode he could be a toddler, king's son scoring an ass when young wouldnt be a surprise. so now he is 50
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>>92570445

The real reason is so Gennedys waifu had time to age
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>>92570445
Side effect of all the time portals being destroyed. They linked his life with the past, so being linked by time portals is what kept him aging normally. I guess the overall point is, nobody knows how time travel works entirely, not even Aku.
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>>92570486
>His grandson wouldn't be as old as the King was in the 300 episode, and that's how he was depicted as being
Of course he could? How old was the king in the 300 episode, 50 years old at the very most and most likely younger. The son's king was already ready to sire a child when the 300 episode, so all he needed to do is reproduce within the next 15 years to have a 300 leader to fight aku in the 5th season.
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>>92570524
>That's far worse than death.
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Forced romance ruins every piece of media ever.

Ashi shouldn't have been a character.
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>>92570022
>Nia's last words to Simon were that she loved him
>Ashi's last words to Jack
>"Oh shit, I'm dying because Aku's dead."

LMAO
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>>92570567
But is wasn't forced.
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Just watched the episode now. I think I would have preferred if Genndy went all the way in ripping off Gurren Lagann by having Jack and Ashi already quietly accept that would happen.

Also, on a slightly wider scope the ending reminds me on the very last scene of Godzilla '14, where the very last shot is Godzilla quietly returning to the ocean.

Somber and peaceful.
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>>92570524
That's not true though. They did all exist while they were alive.
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>>92570577
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Wait, so Jack is still immortal in the ending?

That tree scene seemed awfully desolated.
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>>92570567
Her true purpose was a device to finally end the forever draw between Jack and Aku.
>Jack can kill Aku, but is limited by being just a human with a sword, and only the sword can do it.
>Aku runs every chance he gets if he feels he is in any danger.

The endless stalemate had to end to end the series. Without her, you would need the biggest asspull ever to allow Jack to kill Aku.
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I'm more sad that the Scotsman and everyone who fought for Jack liberation are dead/faded from existence.
Fuck, Jack can't even go back to the future because it wouldn't be the future that is Aku.
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>>92570591
FFX did it before Gurren Lagann.
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>>92570353
They actually did, the part where corrupted ashi is choking jack and then she becomes herself

A more explicit version than the one where Shinji discovers he isn't part of instrumentality and lives in a world where suffering exist, recovering his hope to masturbate to comatose asuka again
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>>92570555
Well think about it, everyone they knew will never have met them, everyone whose lifes they affected never were affected by them, the joys, the fears, the sorrows and triumphs they ever felt, they never felt.
After all, you can believe that there might be something after death, but what about what happened before life?
To us, they existed, but in their reality, they never did.
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>>92570621
Who knows. Anyone giving you an answer either way is just speculating.
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What really bothers me more than anything is that genndy felt the need to fuck jack one last time. I don't think I have very high standards since the pacing, while felt rushed, didn't really bother me. Ashi was fine, and all of the glaring plot holes, but jack's bittersweet ending was just really unnecessary.
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>the Guardian was just some schizophrenic asshole guarding a portal because he thought it was talking to him

Literally canon, brazo Genndy
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>>92570353
Unironically Cowboy Bebop
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>>92570581
I wouldnt say it was "forced" but it was paced poorly, a distortion of Jack's character, and incredibly inorganic.
Point is its the shittiest element of the entire series.
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>>92570603
Yeah but now that life has never even happened.
Jack's and our memories are an anomaly that still remembers things that never were and never will be.

This is why i hate temporal shittery, things that never happened happen and things that happened and people who were there will never happen or exist.

The real question is how is Jack now in the past and how does he remember it all if the method via which he got back was retro actively deleted by the universe.
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>>92570635
But I never played FFX for more than four hours. So there.
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>>92570659
>Using a Pepe pic

Dude, he just died. C'mon, man. Too soon.
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>>92570353
Panty&Stocking. Samurai Jack was never meant to end, this series needed a twist ending of some sort where Aku is still alive
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Ashi romance was a mistake.
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>>92570577
Fucking kek
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>>92570678
I think we can all agree season 5 would have been better with 13 episode to work instead of 10.

I would have loved to see what Genndy would have been able to do with a full 26 episode seasons with more time to explore the change that took place in 0 years, and giving more development times for Ashi.
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>>92569530
Jack is the embodiment of honor in that universe, though. He's not going to just abdicate or abandon the throne just to make himself feel better. That would be so out of character for him it's not even funny.
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>>92570581
A man shoved over a cliff by the entire Jedi order doing a Force Shove would've been less forced than this.
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>The entirety of the show took place in the few seconds after Aku shot Jack into the Future before he came back with Ashi
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>>92570653
This

It wasnt 'artsy' to mak Jack unnecessarily suffer.

The happy ending of him getting married would have been a decent payoff but instead we get:

>all jacks friends dead/dont exist
>he lives in a foreign era now, he has live in future most of his life
>he has seen some shit over 50 years yet everyone else thinks he was gone away for 10 mins
>A ladybird blinks at him so the fact he lost the one woman he will every love/relate to is A ok now
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>>92570733
no.
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>>92569822
>Ah, good ol' 4chan, always trying to ruin the shit for everybody
That is like the only reason this site exists
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>>92570653
Whenever I think what "bittersweet" means to me, I think a ending with a sad loss, but also a happy and hopeful outlook towards the future, and celebrating what you have left. A actual bittersweet ending would be:

>Aku tower falls, Ashi says goodbye and disappears. Ends with Jack meeting his parents, being happy they are alive, and having his parents hug him, while Jack sheds a single tear while smiling.

Or

>Ashi's Aku side is forced off of her, pins future Aku down, and Jack kills them both. Jack is glad it is over, but Ashi cries, saying that she is sad Jack will never get to go home. Then, Jack pulls Ashi close and smiles, surrounded by his future friends, saying that he is home, and kisses her.

But instead we got "Jack loses his love, smiles at a bug, and stands next to a tree. The end."
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>>92570744
I won't say it was artsy, but it made sense.

Ironically enough, it made more sense than Nia disappearing just because Anti-spiral guy died.
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>>92569050
>You cannot tell me that this ending scene in particular wasn't fucking tear jerking.
Yes, I can. I wasn't emotionally invested in Ashi at all. I felt like there was no real substance to her as a character from the very start, and it was just downhill from there.

It could have been an emotionally charged scene, but Genndy was basically trying to throw a punch with no weight behind it.
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>>92570301
He totally did.

Ashi's hair grew way longer by the time of their almost-wedding.
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>>92570800
Ashi and Jack wanted to remain pure up until the wedding.
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>>92570800
>banging before marriage
Jack aint that kinda guy.
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I just wanted it to be better. I think we all did.
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>>92570823
yup

Ending sucked
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>>92570736
Ahh, the Sonic '06 school of writing
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>>92570823
We all wanted it to end on a happy note, reflecting what he had won in the end. Instead, its just Jack standing next to a tree. Should have been either happy for his future friends, or happy that his parents live.
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>/co/ is literally /v/ for cartoons or /tv/ for movies
>they always think they couldve done better and everything that doesn't align with their headcanon is immediately shit

I haven't even watched ep 10 yet and you contrarian faggots have just guaranteed to me that I am going to love it
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>>92570823
You aren't allowed to be dissatisfied, anon. Stop.
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reminder that Gennedy's idea of "addressing" the guardian was to show us that he acknowledged our expectations, and did not give a fuck. because he "addressed" it by showing us the fact that the portal was broke and the guardian dead solely so he could say he did SOMETHING. the body language of the fact that literally all we saw was a frame of the guardians glasses should be pretty obvious he put 0 effort into this and was thinking 'meh'. and even then, we had so many people thinking the guardian was still alive and were expecting SOME explaination, but no we got nothing and this was the last episode so, his middle finger was literally all we get.

even worse, the episode ends without addressing jacks immortality, so going with the show's logic he's still ageless. and the guardian? still alive, because he's existed for eons. guess what?
making the logical assumption jack may encounter the guardian again, immortal or not, as king jack or not, is pointless.

yes its pointless in connecting the obvious dots that jack is still immortal because the show never says he not, that he may still have more to his story, because with what we know of Gennedy's idea of "addressing" plot "challenges".......


He can throw all of that obvious logic out the window with a bullshit social media post.

Depressing huh?
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>>92569050
Eh...by this point I was basically waiting for it to finish. Was the whole thing rushed? Maybe. Would I prefer if they didn't do it? No. Although the pacing of the season was a bit off after Jack saved Ashi, it was still an enjoyable show. My only gripe is that Da Samurai wasn't in the final battle
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WHY WAS THERE A NEED FOR SEASON 5? WASNT THE FUCKING BABY ENDING GOOD ENOUGH? WASNT THE IDEA THAT SAMURAI JACK'S ADVENTURES IS INSPIRING PEOPLE TO TAKE ARMS ENOUGH OF AN ENDING?

I mean season 4 ended on the note on a nice note and didnt need to be fucking tainted with this horribly pace garbage that fell off after episode four almost redeemed it self in episode 9 then ended on a bittersweet "why the fuck did you pace this like such garbage this ending would have been fine if the story was actually fleshed out episode 10?"

Im not even talking about the shitstain that is ashi im talking about how they completely removed the entire future from existance and didnt even give jack a moment of hesitation/consideration because they rushed the story and forced him into a corner by killing off his future friends
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>>92570823
It's not the "bittersweet ending" so much as how rushed everything felt. There was also a decent amount of filler for a final season with just 10 episodes in it.
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>Genndy: Hmmm what ending was pretensions that I can rip off
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>>92569642
>tfw this is true in both timelines
Man aku went fuckin nuts
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>>92570823
Baby ending was a better way of ending the series there never needed to be closure of going back to the past or of killing aku.

What made jack so enjoyable to go back to and rewatch was the fact the story wasnt given a definate ending.

This is like fucking firefly levels of shit when they killed off the pilot in the movie. It literally ruined any continuity the series had and just ruined alot for the fans by forcing something down their throat.
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>>92570928
>pretensions
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>>92570895
>WHY WAS THERE A NEED FOR SEASON 5?
because Genndy wasn't allowed to tell the story he wanted to in the first four seasons due to CN's demands for cartoons that can be aired in any order
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>>92570930
Aku killed a few people, but left most alive to worship him.

Jack wiped out an entire timeline. Billions of lives were never lived thanks to him.

All those people he met for 50 years mattered less to him than his parents.

Who's the real monster here?

...okay still Aku, but Jack sucked in the end too.
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I'd say we could use an epilogue. If not for just for Jack, for the new future he fought for. Its cool that he's back to the past and whacha and all that, but we don't really get to see the long term result of that beyond, 'things will be better than when the embodiment of evil was subjugating as much of the globe as he felt like.'

Despite the Ashi stuff being as contrived as it usually is, the army scenes were pretty damn fun, even if it was borderline shameless fan service.

>>92570886
I think they are running on the assumption that once Jack's returned to his original time, the agelessness is reverted. Honestly, it would have been funny as shit if once Ashi's non-existence caught up with her, all of Jack's lost time did as well, leaving him a fucking geriatric. Jack is older than his fucking father at this point.
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>>92570945
I agree, alot's are now forever ruined for me.
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>>92570895
>about how they completely removed the entire future from existance
We have to be honest, from the very first season, we knew that was what was going to happens. This was Jack's goal the entire time going back in the past and undo Aku so that his future reign would never happens.
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>>92570895
The first four seasons are pretty divorced from seasons five in my mind. This is more like a Korra tier sequel to me.
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>No formal tribute to Mako

What the fuck Genndy
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>>92570970
>Le jack killed gorillions by not having them exist
So when I jack off I am literally worse than hitler since I am preventing those sperm cells from experiencing life? Cmon my dude same logic
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As soon as Genndy does an interview or an AMA or whatever, I desperately want someone to ask him if he the ending was inspired by TTGL. I mean, it's pretty obvious, but I just want to hear it from his mouth. I also want to know if he felt restricted with the amount of episodes he had to work with. There's no way this rush job was intentional, because if it was, damn...
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>>92570979
>>92570991
The magical thing is that with 4 seasons you knew it was gonna happen but it was left up to the fans to interpret at the end.

Season 5 was all "fuck the past 4 seasons dis my show now bitch"
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>>92570979
But anon, don't you know? Jack accomplishing the goal he's had since Season 1 & the goal that every one of his friends had no problem with, is wrong because reasons.
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>>92570967
Genndy said he didn't even have an ending in mind until a year after Jack finished airing.
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>>92571000
I think Mako would be grateful.

It would basically be the same as that time Donald Pleasance was given a formal tribute at the end of fucking Halloween 6 or whatever it was. No way he would want his memory attached to the piece of shit that the last episode was.
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>>92569050

I would preferred a "many worlds" take on time travel.

Have Jack and Ashi defeat Aku in the present. Big celebration. Victory. Then a beat of "wait, but..." Oh no, now Jack has to go back and defeat Aku in the past. And all of his friends will disappear forever!

They all talk it over, give him the thumbs up, big emotional jump into the portal together...

...Jack emerges in the past, kicks Aku's ass.

Now Jack's ending can play out SIMULTANEOUSLY with, in a parallel universe, everybody chillin and rebuilding the world, post-Aku.

And if you still want that final note of melancholy, find a reason that Ashi has to stay in the future (like maybe she can't go through a time portal she created, who gives a shit, handwave it). Then you can get some of that good parallel universe imagery of Jack and Ashi looking at one another through a pond and shit.

Ah well.

I'm satisfied with the ending we got. Coulda been better, less rushed, but desu, after 16 years, a functional ending is good enough. I'm just glad the story finally got some closure.
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>>92570377
Genndy had pacing problems, not budget problems.
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>>92571033
>Season 5 was all "fuck the past 4 seasons dis my show now bitch"
No, in no way does Season 5 crap on the other 4 season. It complete it very well. It only craps on the fanfics and headcanons.
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Which series from the early 2000's that had a revival had the shittier ending?

Avatar (with Legend of Korra) or Samurai Jack (with season 5)?
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>>92571058
>No way he would want his memory attached to the piece of shit that the last episode was.
I'm glad you can speak for Mako, anon. You sure don't come off as a buttflustered autist with this post.
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Being Jack is suffering, even finally getting back to the past has to continue his suffering.
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>>92570577
DELET
>Jack's final memories of Ashi would be that he still got cucked by Aku in the end
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>>92571089
Legend of Karra.

The ending of Season 5 is actually good.
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>>92571093
>the sound of an anon slurping genndy's greasy cock faintly heard in the background
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>>92571120
Wow, what a great argument. Sure explains away your obvious asshurt.
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>>92571058
This, it would have been about as good a tribute as naming that korra character after Mako.
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>>92571089
They both had a point in which I stopped caring.

For Korra, it was when Amon died. For Jack, it was when Ashi turned into a fairy. Avatar is different in the sense that it still had a proper ending in its original run. Korra is pretty much a spin-off. Season 5 is an extension of Jack so it kinda hurts even more.
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yo guys hear me out

the colors that ladybug was composed of

those are pretty familiar colors

what if the ladybug is aku and he survived :V
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Jack friends > Ashi/parents/past
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>>92571160
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>>92571157
>Season 5 is an extension of Jack so it kinda hurts even more.
How so? Season 5 is a great conclusion.
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>>92571148
>SLURP SLURP SLURP
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>tfw Aku died
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>>92571179
Keep crying, lad. It's pretty damn funny.
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>>92571093
I tried desperately to love season 5, as I loved the first few episodes, but this ending was pretty rushed and horribly paced.
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>>92571120
>oh no, somebody enjoyed something
>better call them a cock sucker
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>>92571206
It's fine if you think that, but that has nothing to do with assuming Mako himself wouldn't like S5, since none of us can speak for him.
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>>92571197
>SLUUUUUUUUUURP
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I can, because anyone with a little genre savvy knew it was coming and the execution was such that it didn't even give us a good self sacrifice ending.

>>92570928
You know why the ending works there? Half because because the series was about moving forward rather than going back. And half because everyone KNOWS Nia was going to die (especially Simon and Nia) if they beat the bad guy, but they do it anyway and choose not to bring her back even though they easily could, because heroic sacrifice.
...And because Nia didn't really pull any 11th hour superpowers with instant mastery out of her ass.
...And because they got the "I know you're in there some where" true love stuff out of the way like 4-5 episodes earlier.

My point is DeMarco needs to reair Gurren Lagaan.
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>the last 3 minutes
Ashi was a mistake
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>people falling for the "i thought the ending was good" bait

Retards. Way too easy.
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>>92571197
>still responding
Lmao get a grip lad
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>>92571231
Wow you sure showed him.
Let it be a warning for anyone daring to like stuffs.
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>>92571231
Man, so much salt. Hilarious.

>>92571252
Anon, opinions that upset you aren't bait.
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>>92571234
>Both waiting until the wedding to vanish
What a shit story
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>>92571266
>>92571267
>SLURP
>SLURP
>SLURP
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>>92571260
Anon, I'm not the one spamming slurp over & over. I didn't even get the ending I had hoped for from SJ, but even I think that anon is being autistic over nothing.
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>>92571252
It's not a bait. it was a nice ending.
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>>92571284
>>92571267
Haha, keep up the good work. I'm also baiting people, as well. Gotta do it while this whole thing is still hot.
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>>92571284
elaborate on why you think it was a nice ending
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>>92570719
>I think we can all agree season 5 would have been better with 13 episode to work instead of 10.
I do not agree with that. I heard people say the same thing about Korra; that book 1 should've needed 20 episodes like AtLA rather than the 12 episodes it got. But my belief is that a good writer can work with any kinds of time constraints, and it's possible to write a compelling story for any amount of time; 10 minutes short story, a feature film, 6 episodes, 24 episodes, or whatever.

The first few episodes of this Samurai Jack season felt more somber in tone than the rest of the season, which felt much like the original series. I think it's a pity that this tonal difference messed with my expectations for the show, and I also wish there had been some closure on the fates of everyone in the future. But overall, I don't feel like complaining about the show. I'm just saying that you can create these imaginary worlds where these shows got more episodes and were much better, but they're a "what if" scenario that can't be proven or unproven. I think any amount of time can be used to tell the story, and the key is in the writer using well the time he's given.
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>>92570895
Correct me if I'm wrong, but in the original series I don't remember anyone who Jack had told his mission to, have any problem with him undoing the future or any reservations helping him to do it.
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>>92571279
Fact: calling someone a cock sucker mean he is defacto wrong
It work every time

Remember, everyone: linking things is forbidden.
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>>92571245
>going back to the past was a mistake
ftfy
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>>92569050
it's a fucking ladybug, you're crying over it just because Jack did the same thing with another ladybug 6 episodes ago?

It's not even good symbolism, you're just an oversensitive retard who doesn't understand the difference between good heartfelt scenes and forced ones that beg you to cry.
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>>92571283
>still responding to him
I don't care about your gay samurai jack argument with him, you just look sad by continuing to respond to that. Just from the way you type you sound bootyblasted over him being a retard. Maybe reddit is more your speed? Who am I kidding though this is fuckin /co/
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All those souls that existed at one point get recycled into reincarnation
The ladybug was Ashi's soul
Jack letting go of her one last time under a tree

Only way I can headcannon this shit and enjoy the ending.

Also is this nip immortal still?
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>>92571278
In TTGL's case they telegraph why, explain why for the viewer, and then do a super depressing side story explaining in what's going through Nia's mind where she knows she's got a rapidly approaching desperation date and is struggling to hold on.

Whereas Ashi just falls over and says what anyone with a brain was thinking.
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>She didn't vanish immediately and had to do it at their true moment of happiness

Literally had no use besides to make Jack hurt even more what the fuck?
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>>92571322
Correct.

Linking things is also forbidden when it isn't a blind fanboy's mouth on Genndy's greasy cock.
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>>92571301
>>92571316
A good final fight against Aku. Jack finally accomplishing his mission and a conclusion that come organically.
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>>92571279
You must be 18 to post here kid.
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>>92571355
>when it isn't a blind fanboy's mouth on Genndy's greasy cock.
What if they enjoy his work instead of his cock, though?
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>>92571360
LMAO, I'm using this for other threads thanks for the material.
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>>92571383
>>92571385
You must be choking on Genndy's cock to like the ending, kid.
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>>92571360
>a conclusion that came organically
Ashi getting Akus power to time travel came organically?
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I think SJ is about loss. There is no other way to put it. When you are in Jack's shoes, you have two choices to make, and both of them result in the loss of countless innocents. You return to the past or you stay in the future. Those are the only possibilities.

Jack cannot satisfy his duty to his family and satisfy his duty to his friends at the same time. He must choose one. And whichever one he does not choose, he loses.

You can wander the world for 50 years. You can have adventures, you can make friends, you can fall in love. But all things must end eventually.

In a way, it's almost meta. It's like the show itself. You cannot have it stay the same forever. Do you want Samurai Jack to go on for 15, 16, 100 seasons, always the same, never changing? Or do you realize that the show must end? There are dozens of missing episodes between the last episode of S4 and the first episode of S5. That's what they symbolize. Your adventures must always end. Jack's adventure must always end. Nothing goes on forever. Everything ends.
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>>92569391
wow, so not only did Genndy ripoff Gurren Lagann, he also ripped off the Witcher series?

What a fucking hack.
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>>92571344
>super depressing side story explaining in what's going through Nia's mind where she knows she's got a rapidly approaching desperation date and is struggling to hold on.
What story?

>>92571354
Also don't forget that her last words to Jack weren't "I love you" "thank you for everything" or something but "I'm dying because Aku is dead lol *PUFF*"
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>>92569050
We should thank Genndy as he remind us to rewatch TTGL ending again

>Today i watched a really good ending of a really good story
>That's wasn't SJ
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>>92571160
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>>92571319
>I heard people say the same thing about Korra; that book 1 should've needed 20 episodes like AtLA rather than the 12 episodes it got.
No one ever agued about that. The main argument was that it was done to be a self-contained season. If it hadn't a part of Season 2 could have been dedicated to her seeking back her power, greatly improving the end of Season 1.

>my belief is that a good writer can work with any kinds of time constraints
An I say, with the limitation of 10 episode, Genndy did an excllent work.

It's because I already enjoy Season 5 that I can say that. But I will agree theree was little times to develop Ashi more. She would have benefited from an episode or tow to make her heel turn.
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>>92571360
I'll cum organically in your face you bitch
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>>92571423
>SJ is about loss
I think

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|| |_

was a better story than the one we got.
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>>92570353
Hokuto no Ken
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>>92571418
Yes? How doees it not make snese for you?

Many were already predicting Ashi's would be the key to Jack going back to the past.
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>>92571423
Im saying it again cause you fucks cant get it through your head but season 4 was a great way to put an end to the series
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>>92571450
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>>92571465
LMAO
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>>92571412
>>92571444
Or just enjoy a good final fight and a touching conclusion.
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>>92569050
the only moment that got me emotional was the wolf
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>>92571472
[Fuck Chechenya]
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>>92571472
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>>92571487
You thought the ending of Revenge of the Sith was heart-wrenching, didn't you?
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>>92571475
>literal Aku's daughter
>has Aku's power
It doesn't make any kind of sense.
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>>92571492
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>>92571430
TTGL is overrated trash.
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>>92571492
Miraculous Ladybug is Ashi reincarnation
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>>92571445
So what you're saying is that the Scot's wife should have miscarried all those daughters.
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>>92569050
The ladybug is Aku
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>>92571511
i'm actually laughing
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>>92571501
The high ground was very emotional
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>>92571501
No. Not really. Not at all.
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>>92571512
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>>92571465
It was abrupt
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>>92570699
I fully expected Aku's face to appear on the ladybug and start laughing, only to cut to credits.
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>>92571430
>rewatched TTGL a few days ago
>only for me to see an inferior version of the ending in SJ

Huh.
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>>92571535
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>>92571514
still better lovestory than SJ
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>>92571544
Why waste time fighting when you can resolve the issue immediately?
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>all the people Jack met no longer exist
>mfw the saddest loss is Aku
I miss him already.
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>all these Jashi tumblrites coming here to cry about the ending
I'm glad she's dead and you fags are all butthurt. It could've been the worst ending ever made and you still would've jerked off to it if your waifu didn't die.

I hope it was Gendy's way of getting back at the shipping fags, like when Anno made Shinji jerk-off to a comatose Asuka to make fun of his virgin fans.
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>>92571469
>season 4 was a great way to put an end to the series
No, it wasn't. You do not end something by leaving everyone wanting more. That's how you keep something going. A stage magician leaves everyone wanting more so people keep coming back to his next shows. An author leaves everyone wanting more so that they buy the next book.

That is not how you end something. An ending is definite and final. When something ends, properly ends, it does not leave anyone wanting more. Wishing that things were different, perhaps. But not wanting more of the same.

An ending is inherently different to a "ceasing". When you end something, that is it. You do not just stop making it. You tie it up. You burn bridges with finality. You let go.

Nothing can ever end if you cling to it, if you leave things ambiguous, if you just "don't make the choice to end it yet". You can only end something by choosing to end it. And when you end it, you will be disappointed if you do not end it with finality, with strength, and with determination. You will always regret it if you leave your endings ambiguous. Because you will always be asking yourself, "is it really over? could I get more out of that?".

Samurai Jack is over. There will never be another episode. It deserved a proper ending. And, controversial or not, that's what it got.
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>>92571000
>they reveal jack's real name in the finale
>it's mako
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>>92571557
That's not an impressive accomplishment.
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I just hope Genndy clears up the plot holes they didn't have time to fill in.
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>>92571560
So you agree it's abrupt?
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>>92571450
>>92571472
>>92571492
>>92571512
>>92571535
>>92571550
>>92571489
>>92571516
>>92571524
>>92571545
FOOLISH SAMURAI!!!
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>>92571533
More emotional than the bargain bin TTGL ending.

>"ashi, what's wrong?!"
>"shit nigga i'm like dying"
>disappears

Least she could do was say something meaningful.
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>>92571596
Like what?
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>>92571581
Have you never heard of "riding off into the sunset" thats basically the season 4 ending.
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>>92571601
AKUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
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Wait a minute...Is Jack still immortal?
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>>92571576
i think most people here talking about how their childhood was ruined by some asian girl or something
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>>92571628
nah he's back in his timeframe, he's okay now
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>>92571611
>shit nigga i'm like dying
gave me a chuckle
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>>92571599
It's not abrupt when it's the expected action to do.
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>>92570015
People started hating her since Episode 7, it became stronger by Episode 8, even stronger by 9, and now it's in full force in Episode 10.

Everyone has the right to hate such a shitty mary-sue, she mastered Aku's power in literally less than a minute and is a literal plot-device, Genndy killed off the Guardian just to have his shitty waifu have the honor of teleporting back and having an overexaggerated dramatic "death" scene.
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>>92571628
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>>92571545
I expected a mistakes into miracles ending, where Ashi was pregnant during the wedding and the camera zooms into her belly and the baby has Aku eyes.
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>>92571252
from what ive seen /co is the most cancerous board ive ever visited why when theres entire boards literally set aside for shitposting? because alot of the times its genuine retardation instead of just time wasting memes and genuine butt hurt defenses instead of comebacks and random lines i talked to one guy who didnt understand basic obvious glaring sarcasm he told me hows my theory going to happen when jack is captured i put in spoilers that jacks going to get the sword back and kill aku he then genuinely said "tell us something we dont know" i mean wtf people tell me /a is bad but ive had good times on /a i get out of anime and into western cartoons i come here and i genuinely fall into depression whenever i come back here to see if maybe i need to give /co another chance i mean the "i dont get sarcasm" guy made me not able to respond i just stared down in bed all day wondering how i even respond or deal with that
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>The Triseraquins story
>Aku sent these people to the bottom of the ocean, they wanted to return so they tried to capture and offer up Jack
>Ultimately Jack helps in fighting off Aku
>Their home is returned to the ocean surface after who knows how long, and Jack gets to enjoy some sushi.

>50 years later
>Their home is apparently at the bottom of the ocean again
>And when they leave the water they apparently need fishbowls full of water

Come on it's not exactly a hard detail to remember. They're amphibious.
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>>92570577
I actually laughed super hard at that part.

I knew it was coming ever since the whole "Ashi is one with Aku" thing came about reminded me of Nia and the anti-Spirals, but goddamn, I was expecting her to at least say, "I love you." before she faded away. Instead, she just kinda says some mundane shit and fades. It was so poorly done, holy fuck lmao.
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>>92571437
>No one ever agued about that.
Yes they did.
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>>92569145
>How Can Waifus Be Real If Our Futures Arent Real
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>>92570295
>Genndy hasn't ruined any cherished franchise.
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>>92571652
i forgot the scene in samurai jack where aku trained for decades to master his powers
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I was waiting for Jack to turn back in the middle of time portal because he figured out the nature of Ashi. Insted it all went dumb. No conflict, just foolish samurai being stupid.
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>>92569587
kek
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>>92571691
Same, got excited when I thought I saw hesitation in his face and everything.
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>>92571641
I don't think the show flowed well when in the middle of a battle ashi went "I can do time portals lol" and they got back to the past just like that. That's something they should've reserved for defeating future aku or something to that effect. It doesn't feel organic when she discovers the solution to the main plot device of the show very quickly.
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>>92571685
Season 5 is good with a nice ending. It is a bit predictable but it's still quite nice.
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>>92571360
>A good final fight against Aku.
The actual final fight was literally garbage because there was no time for a good final fight.
>a conclusion that come organically
Go watch Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann, and then tell me how much of Season 5's ending is organic.
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>>92569530
I was hoping for this ending so much.
SO MUCH.
I am glad the show got a proper ending, but I would have found it more appreciable if he had done something like this.
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Time to reject canon n accept headcanon
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>>92569050
What is it supposed to mean anyway?
He didn't want Ashi to become just a memory, but that's exactly what happened. What's there to smile about, Jack? It sucks.
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akuuu noooooooooooooooooo
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1080p web-dl when?
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>>92571592
well it's still an /a/ material so we can only discuss how SJ and TTGL are related here

>you really shouldn't discuss /a/ things in /co/
>/a/ will murder you for calling TTGL a trash
really makes you think
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>>92571614
>"riding off into the sunset"
We already know how that story ends. The native americans lose the "war" of colonization, America is formed, and you are born to shitpost on computers. Or the prince and the princess ride off and live happily ever after.

But more than that, "rides off into the sunset" means "they're off to have more adventures". That's not an ending. That's a ceasing. Samurai Jack needed an ending. Jack kills Aku and goes back to the past. He lives happily ever after.
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>>92571725
>I don't think the show flowed well when in the middle of a battle ashi went "I can do time portals lol" and they got back to the past just like that.
Except it's not what happened. Everything was getting wrecked and everyone were about to die.
>That's something they should've reserved for defeating future aku or something to that effect.
It's precisely what they did.
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>>92571731
This? Maybe I'm just a brianlet but I don't understand the symbolism other than a generic "he's letting her go"
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>dfw never get to live in a future where immortal jacks good is supreme
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>>92571612
Like an in-universe explanation for the Guadian portal retcon or what happened to that baby or who that woman who gave Ashi directions was.
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>>92571727
>Go watch Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann,
I have
>and then tell me how much of Season 5's ending is organic.
It actually make more sense for Ashi to disappear than Nia.
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>>92569530
YES PLEASE
>>92569605
Maybe if the future changed they got reincarnated as different versions of themselves or some shit. Jack would never know until he went back.
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Could have forgiven the rushed ending and leaving plotholes open if he stayed in the future, would have been more meaningful.
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What do you guys think Jack did after the ending? Jack's completed his sole purpose of defeating Aku and his true love has been wiped from existence.

I feel as if he'll tell his parents and his Past friends about the weird journey he had, especially about Ashi. Or perhaps he informs his friends that he can "JUMP GOOD!"
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>>92569876
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>>92569304
>Vorked
50 years have passed...
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>>92570377
>TUMBLING DOWN TUMBLING DOWN TUMBLING DOWN
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>>92569605
My take is, the portal the Guardian is keeping is actually more powerful and allow the exploration of alternate branch. Hence why it is kept so furiously compared to other portal.
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It was done better by Gurren fucking Lagann.
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>>92569145
There is just as much proof, if not moreso, disliking this view on time paradox. Instead believing any amount of time travel is dimensional travel and you would never delete a timeline from changing the past.

Which means there's a whole other group of fags out there buttmad because she faded away at all cause new theories yadda yadda.
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>>92571726
Nice ending? They straight up copycatted Gurren Lagann with no single sense of irony, stop sucking Genndy's dick, dumbass.
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>>92570143
>Hopefully, it works.
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>>92570388
>TTGL the best anime
This isn't a site for 15 year olds, anon.
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>>92571807
They obviously didn't show it, but they've had to had spent a fuckload of time rebuilding that Kingdom.

Since it was in ruin for fucking decades whilst Jack's father was being tormented and his mother and their subjects were in hiding.

Actually that's a huge plothole. They couldn't possibly have done in that in a short time, but it's implied Ashi didn't stay around for very long.
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>>92571798
>I have
Then I must assume you're being a contrarian for the sake of it, because plagiarism is the antithesis of organic.
>It actually make more sense for Ashi to disappear than Nia.
Nothing about a human being dependent on a cosmic entity for their life makes sense, it's a storyteller's job to try and convincingly lie to their audience. At least they gave an explanation as to why Nia held on for as long as she did. There's no reason given for why Ashi disappears right as she walks up the aisle of her wedding other than "lol plot".
Do not reply to me.
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>>92571652
Aku gave her those powers to kill Jack. Wasn't she using them when she was trying to kill him?
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>>92571807
Became the new emperor and drowned his sorrows in pussy
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>>92571868
but i refuse and still reply
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>>92571856
Then why are you here?
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>>92569409
Lel, that'd be amazing.
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One thing that Genndy mishandled for sake of storytelling (which was rather bad in my opinion) was Ashi disappearing - killing Aku would mean that Jack would not be able to get back, grandfather paradox and the works, Ashi should've disappeared the moment Aku died or not at all.

The "bittersweet" in the ending is just shoved in our faced rather badly, as opposed to flowing out of the ending, because it was "too perfect" in how easy it was, but I think it was the problem of pieces present for the ending's resolution as opposed to the writing or situation presented. Without this happening, the ending would not end in anything other than happy, which at this point didn't really make much difference and is quite jarring to have such bait and switch after happy notes of the season - the contrast is just too sharp.
It jars with the start and the first episodes as well, but the tonal shift in itself is not bad if it portrays something and I think this season did it rather well, from despair to hope. Ashi disappearing where she did (as opposed right after Aku's death or not at all) is just unnecessary and cheap.

7/10 from me, Genndy.
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>>92571894
That was a really weak attempt, anon.
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>>92570353
Space Patrol Luluco.
Seriously.
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>>92571868
>Do not reply to me.
What kind of nigger types that?
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>>92571890
A non argument is as good as not replying at all. At least you gave me the satisfaction.
Till next time, faggot.
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>>92570577
Oh holy shit you're right.
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>>92571879
You can't master something as complicated as time travel if it took Aku decades to properly control, Ashi only exists to be a plot device who is also a fanfiction-tier Mary-Sue.
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Maybe Jack has to use the Guardian's time portal later for some reason.

The vision didn't show him facing off against Aku specifically and he's noticably older.
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>>92571847
>Nice ending? They straight up copycatted Gurren Lagann
I think it's more a basic application of time travel rules. It kind of write itself. That it turned out similar to GL is more of a consequence of that than copycatting.
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>>92571549
Shit man, same thing happened to me. I watched the movie adaptions last night.
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>>92570577
That's amazing.
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>>92569483
Hell yeah, man.
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>>92571922
guardian should be alive without Aku
and portal should be intact
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>>92571897
>is just unnecessary and cheap
this there was no point to it
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>>92571921
Is there an episode mentioning how it took him decades to learn time travel? I haven't watched the old seasons for a while, but sounds plausible
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>>92569642
I feel better now
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Aku wordlessly dying like a Pac-Man ghost made me madder than the Ashi shit
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Hey remember me guys?
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>>92569050
>>92569050
In the end it's just the matter of perspective. Be destroyed by The Master of Darkness, or by time paradox and future wars. There is no difference

Aku was right, guys.
Foolish, foolish samurai.
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>>92570945
Yeah, S5 is the Serenity movie of SJ
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>>92571847
You're being trolled, anon.
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>>92571661
They forgot more details than that.
Apparently the leader of the 300 completely fucking forgot about his last battle against Aku when he was telling his grandkids about the great samurai
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>>92571868
>Then I must assume you're being a contrarian for the sake of it
I am not being contrarian. I simply like the ending.
>There's no reason given for why Ashi disappears right as she walks up the aisle of her wedding other than "lol plot".
It time alteration took immedite effect, most of time-travel stories wouldn't exists.
>Do not reply to me.
No.
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At first I wasn't sure if I should ever watch SJ because I never watched it even when it was on years ago and felt I'd never get caught up on the storyline.

Now, I didn't even watch the latest season and still feel like nothing of value was lost.
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>>92571943
there is more than that, anon
>the bad guy's creation
>Saves the main character from depression
>Falls in love with main character but gets brainwashed
>Ceases from existing during marriage
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>>92571970
wasn't the leader in the final episode the son of the old leader we see in Jack and the Spartans
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>>92571430
My boy Simon had a hard life :(
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where can i download the last episode?
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>>92571994
Probably, I don't remember exactly. Point is he made it clear he didn't know that Jack had survived, but he suspected that he did.
I'm pretty sure this episode wouldn't have left any lingering doubts in his mind
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>Aku just starts fucking annihilating the people Jack helped over the course of the show
Maybe it's best that he went back to the past.
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>>92571972
>I simply like the ending.
Then we're back to square one. It's not organic since it is completely ripped off of TTGL, and you never disagreed that the final fight with Aku wasn't given enough time to be properly executed.
>It time alteration took immedite effect, most of time-travel stories wouldn't exists.
This is literally not an argument. There is still no reason given as to why the events took place as they did. Nia holds on due to sheer force of will and love. Ashi disappears at the time most convenient for the writer because reasons. There's literally nothing.
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>>92570503
Aku can't use the sword he tried using it and he can't

Jack in love with Ashi. He couldn't kill the woman he love. Although he did murder her family.

Ashi didn't know that sending Jack back into the past would kill her.

Maybe it took some time for the university to fix itself because information can't travel faster than the speed of light and whatnot
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>>92572021
It was a shitty fucking copout to force people into liking the ending. Time travel was inevitable but it should have been jacks choice.
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>>92571989
>>Saves the main character from depression
That doesn't really happens in GL.
Also, the love interest being related to the vllain wasn't invented by GL. it's an old trope.

While we are at it, It's worth noting that GL copied itself when it comes to Nia's arc. Nia's arc in the first half is exactly the same as in the second half.
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It was disappointing. Ashi dies but she does so without any impact on the narrative. Why not have her sacrifice herself? It could have happened a million of ways.

Off the top of my head: Aku sees Ashi hesitate killing Jack and decides she's useless, so 'calls her back' like all the other minions. She gets absorbed back into Aku's body and Aku grows in strength and size from it, defeating the armies effortlessly.

(This is coherent with Aku leaving some of his own matter in the chalice, so that the priestesses could make the daughters.)

Jack goes ASHI! NOOOO! and Aku laughs in triumph while preparing to kill him, but he never manages to land the final blow because Ashi, somewhere inside him, is still fighting. Jack grabs the sword and with tears in his eyes kills Aku once and for all. Aku's body dissolves but Ashi's silhouette still lingers for a moment within the black puddle, "Time to go back, Jack. I'll never forget you, blah blah blah" and she opens a time portal before disappearing along with the rest of Aku.

Jack looks at the ruined world around him one last time before walking into the white light. End.
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>>92572076
>That doesn't really happens in GL
Did you somehow miss how Nia pulled Simon out of his depression after Kamina died?
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>>92572076
>That doesn't really happens in GL.
Are you serious? I haven't watched it in years, but I do clearly recall Simon being depressed after kamina dies, and Nia shows up to get him out of his rut,
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>>92572045
i also should point out that willpower is a key part of the TTGL story, so Nia's explanation is very organic
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>>92572047
While I can see Jacks initial hesitation since all those people are his friends, theres no way in all holy hell Jack wouldn't take the time portal.
Aku has probably killed countless people(including multiple different Alien species), conquered other planets, basically fucked the entire world for 1000s of years to the point where it would be very very difficult to undo what hes done.

Jack not going back to the past would have completely ruined his entire character and honestly they didn't have much time to think about it since Aku would have seen the time portal and shut that shit down immediately.
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>>92572108
What are you talking about?
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>>92572076
>Nia's arc in the first half is exactly the same as in the second half.
You what?
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>>92570858
>says he'll like something because other people don't like it
>calls us contrarians with no single hint of irony
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>>92572046
>Aku can't use the sword he tried using it and he can't
Not necessarily true, he can hold and use the sword just fine. It's just that the sword cannot harm good people like Jack.
It would just be FOOLISH for Aku to use it.
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>>92572045
>It's not organic since it is completely ripped off of TTGL
That's not what organic mean. It means it comes on its own follwoing the logic an step set by the narrative. It just happens to be like G's ending, but it doens't come out of nowhere. Season 's ending is justified by what was previously established.
>This is literally not an argument.
It is an argument: time modification taking time to take effect is a common thing. informing us that it work like that is all the justification we need. And they show it us directly. Not everything need to spelled out. Same way you don't have to explain gravity.

In the samurai Jack episode, Time modification take time to take effect and we learn it by Ahsi disappearing later. There, it is justified.
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>>92569050
You know it's bad that I can name webcomics and web animations with better endings than Samurai jack.
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>>92572118
but this happened so fast because this season was so badly fucking paced and it felt so artificial and him getting back didnt feel genuine
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>>92572128
>Nia's arc in the first half is exactly the same as in the second half
i think he mean that Nia turns out to be Lorgenome daugher in first half, and Anti-Spiral "daughter" in second half
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>Jashi fags mad Jack did what exactly he was planning on doing


And not a fuck was given that day. Let me know when people suffering, AKu enslaving
and killing people, the genocide of races and villages, destroyed homes, radioactive/polluted landscapes, dangerous opened dimensional and spacial gateways made by aku for personal gain matters less than some petty 1 week relationship.
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Ashi disappearing at the end was bullshit.
If you assume that there is only one timeline, Jack would have to disappear as well, since he was part of the future that he ended up destroying.
(Not to mention that the monoverse-theory makes time-travel to the past pretty much nonsensical)
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>>92572123
>Nia exists this long because of her willpower

>Willpower is a key part of TTGL

>Thus, this is acceptable and organic explanation

sorry english is hard dude
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>>92572149
Those weren't the same arcs though. Genome didn't mind control her for most of the first half, only for her to break free of the mind control at a pivotal moment.
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>>92572163
Im glad she is gone she never belonged there from the start but to build it up to use her as some artifical time portal ending bullshit when gennedy couldnt be ASSED TO WRITE AND ACTUAL 5TH SEASON THAT WAS PROPERLY PACED you cant be surprised when people are pissed
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That ending was so bad it's almost seemed like robot chicken take on TTGL ending or something
>MC's love is being controlled by enemy
>I WUV YOU
>"Oh shit, I'm broke the trans!"
>"Oh shit, I also mastered the god-like powers in seconds and take teleport us to the past!"
>"epic" final battle with final evil villain that last LITERALLY FORTY SECONDS
>wedding scene
>ashi dies
>they didn't even kiss or exchange vows
>her last words are "oh shit, I'm dying now because we killed aku"
>PUFF
>end
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>>92571628
maybe
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im a slut for happy ending and true loves kiss and i hated the ending because it was so forced and straight up bad
i used to watch Once Upon A Time
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>>92571652
>21%
http://www.strawpoll.me/12982841/r
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>>92571601
Tried to make it a little less heavy of an edit.
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>>92572181
It wasn't even the more acceptable "I'm 50% Aku so I'm bound to die with him". No it was just plain "oh shit I forgot I wasn't meant to exist"
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>>92572199
aku copied himself to spoil the results
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Actually written by a 10 year old whole just thought about time travel for the first time.
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>>92572216
kek
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>>92571921
>decades

how do you know it took him decades? he did once in an episode. Aku never train he just did stuff because he could.
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>>92572220
The ending was fine except ashi should have gone puff THE FUCKING MINUTE HE KILLED AKU
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>>92572251
By the logic used for Ashi disappearing, Jack should've disappeared as well
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>>92572137
>Season 's ending is justified by what was previously established.
Nothing about a human being born with a piece of Aku in them is previously established. Ashi suddenly has all the powers of Aku because that is what was needed for the plot to progress at the breakneck pace Genndy planned.
>time modification taking time to take effect is a common thing.
So this is the excuse for the abruptness of the ending. Well I'm sorry, but that's like arguing that the revival of superheros is common because Superman did it. Time travel does not exist, there was still no reason given as to why Ashi specifically disappeared right in the middle of her wedding other than "plot". Not to mention Jack's father being completely healthy and Jack's mother not being on top of a mountain, but hey, Genndy can do no wrong for morons like you. Unless the wedding takes place a few months or years after Aku's defeat, which just raises the eyebrows further on the convenience of Ashi's temporal problems at JUST the right moment to play upon the hearts of the viewers. But it's okay, time modification taking time to take effect is "common". Fuck off.
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I always wondered, if Aku is the manifestation of evil and Jack seeks to be balanced, wouldn't destroying evil, cause an imbalance in the other direction?

This reminds me of the monotheistic tendency of accepting only the parts of life that are "good" and rejecting or denying the ones that are "evil", instead of accepting their existence.

Jack's rage is a natural part of him and yet its treated as if removing your anger causes balance, when anger is a part of who you are and has its place in the balance as well.
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>>92570485
thank you famlan
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>>92572220
>she existed because she didn't questioned her existence

some cogito ergo sum shit here anon
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it felt like a bit of a slap since there wasn't a moral conflict where jack had to choose the right thing. They both went back and everything appeared to work fine, until the universe decided to screw with him one last time.
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>>92572257
JACK WASNT BORN IN THE FUTURE YOU DUMBSHIT
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>>92572251
What do you think of something like >>92572086 ?
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>>92572277
Kek, do you even know how time works?
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>>92572135

holding a sword isn't the same as wielding it. he can't use the sword.
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>>92572277
So? He spent most of his life there. The only reason that version of Jack was even there is because of a future that doesn't exist anymore.
If Ashi disappears because of Aku's death, then everything that happened in the future disappears. That includes Jack.
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>still hasn't been a western cartoon with a good ending since Avatar
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>>92571430
It's ten years old this year.
Maybe this was his way of marking the anniversary.
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>>92572277
True but here's the thing.
>Jack goes to future because Aku
>Jack comes back and kills Aku because Ashi
>Ashi deleted form reality because Aku never was there to create him
>Jack never got to past because Ashi never made the portal for him
>No portal and no Jack in past means Aku never died so he ended up making Ashi who then helped Jack get to the past

The only thing that should have happened was for reality to say SYNTAX ERROR and crash into a giant blue screen.
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>>92571487
>a good final fight
>40 second battle
>good
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>>92569050

I cried when Nia died.
This? Not so much...then again GL had better writing in general
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>>92572306
>that was completely destroyed by shitty sequel
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>>92569050
They literally did the same bullshit the Patch Adams movie did, complete with sappy music and all.
Fuck this.
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>>92572216
>>92571601
>>92571516
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>>92572277
No but he got BACK from the future through ASHI.

No Ashi = no way back from the future, so Aku doesn't get killed in the past.
So Aku lives and is Ashi's father.
Meaning that Ashi gets to send Jack back and kill Aku.
So with no Aku Ashi doesn't exist, and nobody sends Jack back, meaning Aku lives and has Ashi, who sends Jack back meaning Aku is dead and thus Ashi never existed so Jack couldn't be sent back so Aku lives and causes Ashi, who sends Jack back to kill Aku so Ashi doesn't exist so Aku lives so Ashi lives so Aku dies so Ashi doesn't exist so Aku lives so Ashi does exist so Aku dies so Ashi doesn't exist so Aku lives so Ashi does exist so Aku dies so Ashi doesn't exist so Aku lives so Ashi does exist so Aku dies so Ashi doesn't exist so Aku lives so Ashi does exist so...
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>>92572301
but do you even know yourself?..
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>>92571725
>I don't think the show flowed well when in the middle of a battle ashi went "I can do time portals lol"

That birings up a good question, how does Ashi know that jack used to live in the past? I don't think Jack actually told her that he came from another time, but only that his old home was just a memory now. Even if he did tell her, how does she know the exact time to transport to?
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>>92572315
>The only thing that should have happened was for reality to say SYNTAX ERROR and crash into a giant blue screen.
Or a new timeline/universe could´ve been created, where both Jack and Ashi could´ve lived together in peace.
But Genndy didn´t think of that.
Not many fiction writers think of that for some reason.
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I really liked this episode.

But they shouldn't have had Ashi vanish at the end, it raises too many question about the whole time travel thing and feels like a bittersweet ending for the sake of a bittersweet ending.
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>>92571962
no
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>>92572305
Oooor just re-erased his memory, no?
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>>92572336
I know that time doesn´t care when you were born.
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>>92572305
>>92572338
you are forgetting that they came in RIGHT AFTER jack got sent to the future. So the future existed then when jack killed aku the future ceased to exist for everyone except jack

This isnt a multiverse he was able to come back because those 50+ years he experience got compounded into a second in past aku's perspective note the "your back already" since its literally the same jack coming back who was just sent to the future a couple of seconds ago.
You can literally go into the future age and come back a second after leaving with zero repercussions in a linear timeline
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Well the ending wasn't great, but at least we got an ending and a few kino episodes to go with it. Overall I'd give the last season a 7/10. I'm just relieved it's all over.
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>>92572164

how he's from the past and wasn't created in the future. To you point he shouldn't been able to use Ashi powers to travel back into past to kill Aku. He would have to use some portal that exist past to get back but Aku destroyed all of them.
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>>92572269
It's more like Aku's existence is tipping the scales one way, and Jack has to defeat him to even them out. Or maybe it's the sins of the father, The Emperor was the one who gave sentience to Aku, after all. I don't really think that's it though, since if he didn't do something, Earth probably would have been consumed by Aku, assuming Ra, Odin and Vishnu didn't descend upon him with heavenly might.
I don't know.
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>>92572365
It's not his memory of it that is the issue. If Ashi can't exist without Aku there to create her, then Ashi can't have existed to bring Jack back in time in the first place.
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>>92572373
You're not considering the greater implications here.
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>Those who didn't get anything close to a happy ending and never will
JUST
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>>92570971
Running with assumptions is what got us the Guardian retcon though. They're fucking with us in a way
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>>92572331
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>>92572373
Yeah, but why did Ashi disappear then?
The timeline she comes from wasn´t erased, so she should be just fine.
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why is reddit so fuckin stupid?
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>>92572373
>>92572425
Its literally the flashpoint paradox movie where he creates a alternate reality when he time travels but when he time travels again to prevent himself from altering the past the new reality he made ceises to exist but he still has full recollection to what happened. But even that movie has its holes because of the whole batman letter thing.

But i doubt anyone in jack threads actually regulars /co/
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>>92572269
Welcome to the problem that happens any time a western writer tries tackling eastern balance philosophies. It happened in Korra and Star Wars too. You want it done right, play Soul Calibur.
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>>92572447
K I N O
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>>92571845
I honestly hate that multiple timeline style of time travel, shit like Steins;Gate and Dragon Ball Z introduced it to me and I've never really liked it. Maybe it's because Back to the Future was my first time travel movie and that dealt with it differently. It might be more simplistic, but I like to believe that the past is the only past and changing it will alter the only future. The other method feels like a cop out for writers to change the past within their story without undoing a ton of their own work because it still exists out there in an alternate timeline.
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>>92572269
he didn't remove his anger, he just put it in check instead of letting it be dominant.
evil still lies in the hearts of man but Aku was excessive, like a magnifying glass of spreading, multiplying evil.

There's a difference between denying and pretending your "evil" aspects don't exist and keeping them from ruling you while still acknowledging that they exist.

One can be angry but rational without being completely swept up by it.
one can want what others have without letting greed consume them into a thieving person who can't find joy in what he has.
likewise one can be compassionate and loyal and still help themselves and demand things of others from time to time instead of being a door mat.
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>>92572450
Flashpoint was a fucking comic before it was a movie, Mr Regular. And it at least made more sense than this does. If alternate timelines and realities were the explanation, then Ashi would not have ceased to exist. Because the timeline where she existed was still there.
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>>92572470
so this guys from alternate timeline can visit your timeline and cause some shitty written events Marvel and DC got themselves into
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>>92572441
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>>92572447
First 3 eps are art. The rest is shit and end is cheap ttgl bootleg
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>>92572470
Monoverse time-travel is bullshit in itself, because traveling to the past would AUTOMATICALLY create a time-paradox, there´s nothing you can do about that.

The only way time-travel would make sense is with a multiverse.
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>>92572521
/thread
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>>92572332

true or it creates a new time line where Jack never goes to future. Thus Ashi never exist either way Ashi is gone from existent.
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>>92571426
geralt dies at a wedding???
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>>92572521
Man I don't understand why people act like 4 was a huge drop in quality. 5 I can kinda see, but 4?

4 was nifty. Belly of the beast and all that.
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>"I don't want you to become just a memory."
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>>92572447
Reddit is rampant with shills, even their administrators and a handful of news sources acknowledge that. Besides, the type of people who make "Men appreciate XYZ, children don't." are retarded manchildren who have the benefit of reddit's circlejerk-chamber to pat their backs and echo their ignorance.

>"this was the best Samurai Jack season ever, I tip my hat to you for making this flawless masterpiece, Genndy!"
>+465 points a
>"I didn't like the finale, I wish Genndy didn't resort to these tropes. I'll explain my problems with the season in a mature manner."
> -672 points
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>>92572526
but what about a self-resolving time travel when you actually happens to be a part of the past you tried to avoid?
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>>92572491
Its not there at all you shitte the timeline he experienced for 50+ years he up and removed a second after getting back to the past when he killed aku.


So in the current timeline he was gone for a second but for him mentally and physically he was gone for more that 50+ years

>>92572526
No
>>92572470
has it right and the timeline avoided a paradox because he came in AFTER HIS FORMER SELF GOT TELEPORTED TO THE FUTURE SO THE MONOTIMELINE CONTINUITY WASNT THREATENED
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>>92572562
I convince myself that people who speak like that are paid shills because the thought that people can be this brainwashed by advertising lingo is all the more terrifying
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>>92572571
>timeline he experienced for 50+ years he up and removed a second after getting back to the past when he killed aku.
Then how did he get back to the past? That timeline no longer exists, and nothing that happened in it ever happened.
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>>92571157
>Ashi turned into a fairy
I hate that part too. it will be better, if she keep being doubting about Jack's morality in the adventures, and only get fully convinced in the last episode.
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>>92572548
Well, 4 was a decent episode itself but it also starts Ashi's inclusion in Jack's journey, that's why people prefer to appreciate the first three episodes
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>>92572567
This shit is the best, it makes sense and usually makes for a satisfying story, especially when it comes as a surprise.
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>>92572326
>season 1 wasn't even written by the same guy
shitty spinoff*
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>>92572571
You can´t avoid a paradox in a monoverse, get that through your thick skull already.
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>>92572447
First 3 were as >>92572469 said.
The second biggest thorn in the 5th season, first being the half assed hack job at TTGL ending, is the seeming collapse of pacing after episode 3.
Even 3 felt rushed at times. With 4th the momentum just came to a seeming full stop.
Scenes were all over the place and it seemed the show kept flip flopping between episodic and arc setup mid episode.
Would 3 more episodes have helped the pacing? Probably, but I think the overall problem lies in the storyboard.
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>>92572591
so what happened with a past jack in this episode? He traveled into the collapsed future and found himself in the void?

or maybe he now lives in the future that's is not aku?
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>>92569530
That would have been a sweet epilogue after the credits.
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>>92572445
Ashi can't exist Aku is her dad. She was born in a future that Jack erase and thus she can't exist in that form. Her mother could give birth to a child but he or she wouldn't be our Ashi.
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>>92569050
It would be tear jerking if it had emotional weight
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>>92572591
BECAUSE ITS THE SAME FUCKING PERSON THERE ISNT TWO JACKS HIS PORTAL CAME IN RIGHT AFTER THE FIRST ONE EXITED SO THAT IMPLIES HIS TIME TRAVEL WAS COMPLETE

>>92572542
ashi existed up until the final blow was struck on aku which ment the future stopped existing but blame lazy ass writing for not having her vanish immediately
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>>92572622
That's not entirely true. You can avoid a paradox in a monoverse if all time travel already happened, and the effects have been there all along.
But as soon as you start making changes to the future by going back to the past, you introduce paradoxes.
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>>92572647
I think you might be retarded.
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>>92572622
>>92572651
You can avoid a paradox its called going back to the past and fucking staying there
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>>92572622
What's wrong with a few paradoxes here or there
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>>92572549
In the end everyone Jack saved became just a memory.
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>>92572647

maybe it took a while for causality to settle in. not everything happens in an instant. an entire time line had to be remove perhaps it took a while
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>>92571089
I prefer Korra's ending by a mile, minus surprise lesbians. Korra talking down Kuvira was kind of limp for a variety of reasons but the ride to that point was fun, tense and came with real consequences.
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>>92572698
Because a paradox that contradicts everything that is going on makes for a shitty story.
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>>92572622
Can't we just simply overwrite the history? When a person from the future goes to the past, he is his own thing now, not related to the original future
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>>92572698
Paradoxes shouldn´t be possible.
It´s like a snake swallowing itself and disappearing into thin air, it just doesn´t work like that.

That is why the multiverse-theory exists.
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>>92570378
>from the dead sticky (also the spartan king didnt age somehow, and its the same VA so plothole
Does this really count as a plot hole?

It's not like the plot makes less sense because a spartan guy wasn't drawn old and had a certain voice actor.
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>>92572732
If that was the case, then Ashi wouldn't have disappeared.
This is the main issue here. Ashi disappearing is a huge, glaring contradiction that doesn't make any fucking sense.
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the ending was obviously rushed

Genndy needed at least one more episode to do it right
10 regular length episodes just isn't enough for a season
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>>92572732
People dont want to admit that this is following the same rules that back to the future followed.

>>92572754
multiverse exists because of lazy writers and money grubbing off the same overused ip
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>>92572732
Yes, but then it wouldn´t be a monoverse anymore, and Ashi wouldn´t have disappeared.
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>>92572765
The plot hole was the Spartan king was even fucking there in the first place. In the Spartan episode, it was made pretty clear that the Spartans didn't actually know for sure if Jack had survived the fight with the robot.
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>>92572794
but Aku had Jack's execution broadcasted everywhere, if a buncha monkeys saw it why not the Spartans?
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>>92572784
>multiverse exists because of lazy writers and money grubbing off the same overused ip
I think you´re just reading lazily written capeshit.

Because the concept of a multiverse is actually pretty well established among physicians.
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>>92572788
>Marty mcfly prevents a pivotal moment from happeneing that caused his parents to get together.
>family starts vanishing in his photo

Hmm if its following the same rules ashi cant be born without a dad
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>>92572784

prove that multiverse don't exist than buddy
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>nigger face ashi didn't vanish after Jack straight up killed aku

>Jack being able to remember ashi and future even though she wasn't suppose to exist after he killed her which should of kept Jack in the past without memory of the future.

Was there even a point to ashi besides being a mary sue teleporter? Why didn't Gendy made the series only about Samurai Jack?
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>>92572828
That's kinda my fucking point. If the Spartans saw said broadcast, why'd they forget about it years later?
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Wait a goddamn minute. I just realized something when I rewatched this episode. There was another Jack (from episode 1) that was sent to the future. Now that Aku's dead, he's technically sent to an Aku-less future.

Would this mean anything?
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>>92572843
>>92572839
We are talking about a fucking cartoon where the writer gets to put in his own fucking rulings. Its also obvious he didnt put in multiverse in his story
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>Said 3 to 4 episodes ago the writing was getting bad

>LOL YOU JUST A BUTTHURT TUMBLR FAG, THIS SEASON IS GOOD from multiple people.

>Don't even know what the fuck that was even suppose mean

>final episode is done

>WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS!? WHAT KIND OF ENDING IS THIS?! THIS WRITING IS SO BAD

>Mffw

0/10 shitty trolls, I ain't even mad!
fuck you!
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>>92572794
Can we be sure it's not the King's son after his father passed away from old age?
He lacks the scar, and maybe he inherited the voice.
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>>92572871
That's what i think happened.
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>>92572859
It means that under a better writer we'd have gotten an epilogue that shows that Jack in a good future.
He could even meet an unevil version of Ashi for the shipfags.
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>>92572839
Back To The Future is not a good example for well written time-travel, sorry to say.
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>>92572865

base on what? what evidence do you have that samurai jack isn't in a multiverse?
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>>92572859
The loop is complete: one Jack presents in one moment of time and space. Right?
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>>92572859
It should've been like this then.

>Aku gets killed

>Ashi poof

>Two Jacks merge into one

>Wonder wtf happened to Aku

>End of story

Now I'm hungry for a breakfast jack
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>>92572915
thats what happened yes but /co/ keeps trying to push about multiverse crap when gennedy made it clear as day that the loop was complete when ashi vanished cause no aku
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>>92569050
The whole Ladybug thing was telling Jack (and the audience) 'Don't you dare just waste away into a mopey mess! Go out there into the world and embrace happiness.'
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>>92572948
>loop was complete
But it can't be because most of said loop no longer fucking exists.
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>>92572903
At least it's fun
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>>92572916

he would have two memories right. like in rick and morty when they split time and merge it back. now it make sense that he remembers Ashi.
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>>92572962
hence why its complete you chode
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>>92572980
You fucking what? A loop isn't a loop if you cut out most of it. At that point it's a weird, sad line
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>>92572974
Then how will Ashi exist if Aku didn't exist in the future.
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>>92570577
>FOOLISH SAMURAI, I cucked you from beyond the grave!
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>>92572974
>>92572916
Its literally because gennedy executed the ending so poorly that people are questioning all this crap because /co/ is autists that overlook minor shitty rushed details when its clear as fucking day that season 5 was rushed and already filled with inconsistancies so you literally have to take a step back and dumb yourself down a bit because its more than fucking likely that alot of this crap isnt "hidden double meanings" and was more just people rushing and being sloppy.
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>>92572980
It´s not complete.
Jack comes from the future to kill Aku, meaning that the future he comes from never happens, which means he never can come from the future to kill Aku, which means that Aku is still alive, which means that Jack comes from the future to kill Aku, which means that the future he comes from never happens, which means he can´t come from the future to kill Aku, which means that Aku is still alive, which means Jack will come...
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>>92573000
just accept that it was rushed and poorly fleshed out and that he intended to keep it a mono timeline from the very start but he literally stopped caring after episode 4
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>>92573032
Of course it is rushed but I'm just curious of how it would've actually worked if there is one jack in the future but another in the past
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>>92573007

if the time line converge then Jack would have multiple memories. Like in rick and morty after the convergence morty had like 58 memories.
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>>92573051
But that's all I've been saying all along. That it's poorly written and doesn't make any sense.
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>>92572306
Regular Show had a decent ending.
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>>92573091
Dumb yourself down a bit and itll make sense. You just need to look at stuff for face value Im p sure at this point its obvious the fans cared more about the story than he did.
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>>92573116
>Dumb yourself down a bit
I fucking refuse to do this, for anything
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>>92573090
sorry that didn't answer you question. I need to sleep
>>92573007
you mean why she didn't immediately vanish. take time for information to travel, causality didn't sink in yet you pick why she still existed for a while
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>>92569050
Jack going back to the past was a mistake. It would have been a way better ending if he killed Aku in the future and gathered everyone still alive to help rebuild the world.
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>>92573088

the timeline would change he would have to been alive wouldn't he
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>>92571426
did you not notice all the episodes that were ripoffs of movies
>starwars
>mad max

I mean come on anon don't be willfully ignorant you knew what samurai jack was this whole time
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>>92570634
or you know just kill aku in the future
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It was pretty sad; I really liked the final shot. It was pretty solemn and intimate, nothing particularly grandiose. To me, it was executed perfectly.
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>>92573157
but his goal was to get back to past and undo the future that is AKU
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Is it possible for gendy to make a fucking epilogue so we can actually have a good ending to the series? Like nothing more than a 3-5 minutes.
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>>92573305
And he kept fucking it up to save the people around him in immediate danger. His duty as a samurai outweighed his personal desire to get a second chance at his most detrimental mistake.
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>>92573312

you want a happily ever after ending. He did give use Aku is dead and Jack is back with his family and friend in past. It sad he didn't hook up with Ashi but she not the only girl to like him.
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>>92573332

by not trying to get back he forgotten his purpose and forsaken his family. remember that seppuku Jack
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>>92572321
>I cried when Nia died
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>>92573399
Travel back in time never works and Jack ended up forsaking his friends in the future. Someone needed to be sacrificed and they chose the paradoxical route.
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>>92573090
How would those happen if none of it happen because aku isn't alive to do those things. That means all the people aku killed are alive thus changing the timeline whole differently.
Ashi wouldn't even exist because there wouldn't be a occult of aku.

>>92573144
>It takes time for time to be rewritten

>Time has the downside of loading new timeline like a windows xp

I'm no scientist but that doesn't make sense. That means that time is just rewriting itself over and over for each individual timeline. If time were to change it would be instantaneous because jack is sent to the future first, rewriting time in the future until he reached the past which is the original timeline. So that means history isn't being rewritten since jack is back to his original time killing aku meaning that anything beyond that time should be untouched by aku. Which in turn means no aku shinanigahns to ruin future people so anything effected by aku shouldn't even exist. Jack fight with aku is a solid ten min then.
Fuck this time paradox bullshit. I'm blaming doctor who for this.
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>>92571338
It's about letting go, and letting nature take its course. Maybe when you lose something you'll understand.
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>>92573466
it clear jack cares more about the his life in past then the one in the future.
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>>92573564
doesn't make any damn sense or he would've stop trying to save the future people and just jumped in the damn portal or fucked up Aku when he had the chance.
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>>92573536
new timelines get created one in which Jack doesn't go to future
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>>92571652
Aku's power came naturally to him. Right after he was born he was erecting mountains, building armies, burning cities, etc. He didn't need more practice than you need it for breathing. Ashi was the same, thanks to Aku being part of her DNA. She just knew how to do it.
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fuck this shit i'm just gonna spite this and forget about it.

WEST CARTOONS NEVER AGAIN.
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jack should've been required to kill future aku to use the guardian portal

after killing the guardian and using it to go back to his time after making peace with everyone in the future, ashi tags along and is erased by the portal when she arrives, jack then faces past aku. alternatively you could have jack killing future aku purge her of him and have the portal guardian state that only jack is physically allowed to use it, and she stays, or he kills her.

as we have it, the series is over.... but a lot of people are unsatisfied and even worse, the series leaves enough loose ends for people to piece together a very easily seen continuation. 'worse' because none of it matters, how logical it is, because gennedy can retcon it on twitter.

the series ends without addressing jacks time traveling consequences again, it's safe to assume he's still unaging. it's also safe to assume the guardian is still alive, as he's existed for eons.
gennedy did nothing more than show us the guardian's glasses, a lot of people thought he was still alive. going by his own assumptionist logic, we can assume jack's still immortal and the guardian is alive.

now, remember. he was quoted as saying he "would address the Guardian", and literally all we got was a shot of his broken shades. so many people thought he was gonna reappear at the end so what the fuck. his was of addressing the matter was a huge middle finger.


so were supposed to fucking take it all at face value and accept that as the end despite all the plotholes and easily assumed headcanons.
i mean, come on. his fucking mom and dad are magically healthier instantly, and even if time has passed since then and they got healthier, why the hell did ashi not fade away until JUST the wedding?
i guess the moral of the story is, dont get emotionally invested in a cash in once you realize its a cash in.....

the first 3 episodes it was great, but after that unfortunately it became clear thats all it was. enjoyable, but a cash in
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>>92573589

samurai code is to protect the innocent when he can. he would jump into portals but Aku won't let him.
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you pay a price when you use the well.
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>>92571921
Aku just did it when he was about to die and never did it again. He never gave any indication of being able to do that in the first place. It's just a natural ability, it doesn't require practice.
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>>92573363
I feel like the whole story is incomplete. It needs 1 more episode to show us what happens in the future without Aku existing and to clear some things up. Even Gendy just explaining what happens would be enough.
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desu the whole '50 years' thing itself is kind of fucking stupid when you realize
jack lost his sword sometime around the time of the first 4 seasons then for 50 fucking years he didnt even try to get it back out of being sad

50 years doing nothing, NOTHING, imagine what thatd do to a person and even when hes at his worse hes pretty sane

i mean, the blue guy who reacts to him after seeing him seals the deal. 50 years of INACTIVITY, not 50 years of fighting.

wtf man
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Assets should've been handled better like the Scotsman's sword, obviously the Guardian, Ashi shouldn't have existed as Jack's lover but she would've been great in a support role, with an enchanted weapon even. I'm disappointed that 2 other daughters that fell also died while the only one of them who magically survived that fall ends up being a plot device Mary Sue. I mean, Demongo didn't even do anything and I don't even like him, but I was half expecting him to spit out the Guardian to fight Jack or his friends albiet in a very condensed, retconny way but we didn't even get that. Lots of stuff is just unexplained, left to the viewer to assume, but then assumptions are punished like EVERYONE was for expecting continuity.

Why are Jack's parents magically healthy again? What the fuck was the deal with the Samurai spirit and the ancestors? Why was there a magical wakizashi that just exists then doesnt?
Why the fuck did the robot dudes have to die but no humans?
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>>92569050
I just feel empty.
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>>92574161
you're not alone
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>>92569050
i kinda can because ashis last words were 'i wouldnt exist without the big bad chinaman you killed' and then she fucking fades away

like thats /all/ she says
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>>92572380
Annnnnnd this is why Rick and Morty will never have time travel plots. Time Travel is just fucking confusing.
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>>92570577
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>>92572216
I actually though the ladybug was about to jumpscare me
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it alright

it not subtle or nuanced, it unsatisfying and retconny

but, it alright

it reminds me of me ending which i like better, but same ending more or less
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