Alright /co/, now that it's over, let's settle thi

That was the comic ending

>>92563532
I feel the sacrifice would have had more meaning if Jack made it willingly. As it stands, it was a by-product of his actions. An unforeseen consequence.

he should've killed aku in the futre then gone back in time to kill him in the past

now all the people in the future either no longer exist or are stuck with Aku and no way to kill him

Honestly, it could have gone both ways, just that it had to be done well.

Though maybe Jack staying in the future would have fit the direction and tone 5th season took, being content with how things have gone and fighting for the future and when Ashi said that things are in place for a reason in episode 9 (or something like that.)

Was sort of hoping for the stay in thr future ending, we get to keep the friends we got.

show should have ended by having Young Jack show up in a different future, free of Aku. Though Future Jack and Ashi no longer exist either.

The Samurai appears in a city, and it is beautiful and utopian. He bumps into someone and that person says "whacha where you're going Jack".

>>92563648
Yeah, what I figured would happen was that since Ashi has some of Aku in her, Aku would use that to pull a last-minute cheat. His body is destroyed but he can still return because part of him lives (or something along those lines) and he starts possessing Ashi in an attempt to return. So Jack is forced to kill her (or Ashi forces him to) because that's the only way to ensure Aku can never come back.

>>92563532

All the world-building and characters we got to know were in the future.

Nobody should honestly give a shit about the past.

We got exactly what Jack was looking to do, but it felt kind of empty.

I don't know what all the people are talking about, it's really not a bad finale

>>92563532
His whole goal was to get rid of the future that is Aku. If he went back to the future, it would basically make everything for naught, evil would still exist. By defeating him in the past, he prevented the evil of the future and saved far more than the other way.

It was kind of rushed and the reunion scenes weren't properly ended, but overall solid 7/10 ending

WHAT THE FUCK HAPPENED TO KING JACK

WHAT THE FUCK WAS HIS NAME

SAKURAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAI

>>92565565
Scaramouche confirmed for Brawl?

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Future. The IDW comic had it right. Instead of moping around doing nothing, Jack was creating an army to save the lives that needed his help in the present, not in the past.

It would've been both bittersweet and noble.

>>92563532
I would have rather had more stand alone episodes mixed in here and there.

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>>92563610
>>92565606
>>92565751
These.

>>92563714
He kills aku in the past, thus erasing the future with aku. Ashi's erasure from existence proves this.

>>92563648
Yeah, I'd have been fine with either
>Aku is defeated, Ashi is quickly losing her power/dying and urge Jack to make his decision, he decides to accomplish his destiny and says goodbye to her and the survivors of the battle, going back to the past
or
>Jack almost dies fighting Aku, has a vision of his ancestors, who tell him it's better to go on and live for the future rather than undo what already happened. He wakes up and stays in the future.

>>92565565
So is Sakurai still the biggest hack in existence or does that belong to someone else or even Genndy now?

>>92565565
His name was son. The emperor's name is emperor. His mother's name is mother. Not even kidding.

>>92566003
nah, nomura is way more of a hack but it gets ignored because he does it once each decade

>>92566058
the son thing would be tight, mother and emperor suck though

>>92564298

They're all gone. I hate this.

>>92563532
Originally I would have advocated for him staying in the future but after Aku killed all the characters we knew then going back to the past seems like a better idea. Both scenarios offer closure, in some way.

>>92563532
Yes, because even if everyone died, they would still exist. There is a heaven in SJ universe.

On the other hand, being retconned through time travel probably overlaps that, which mean everyone we loved got erased. I think this is fucking depressing.

Plus i REALLY wanted jack to be happy. I mean, it still a 2002 story first idealized for kids. Jack didnt deserve the shit he got

Thats not even talking about the plotholes.

>>92566003
Sakurai needs to keep easing up the reigns for Bandai-Namco team to do their thing. Smash is so close to having a perfect title but he keeps shitting the bed with some of his idiotic design philosophies

>>92564298
>>92566111

As a matter of principle he shouldn't accept to stay in the future. Not saving the past and the people of the past for the sake of personal ties would be selfish.

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>>92566222
>Jack could've easily ended the series here if he didn't save those monk bros

He clearly cares about the people and friends in the present and he should've stayed.

>>92563532
Time travel is one way nigga

If Ashi disappeared then when Jack got sent into the future Aku should have already been dead.

If Aku is already dead then Ashi never existed and then she never sends Jack back in time.

>>92563610
Yeah, I liked the comic better.

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why do people assume that time is a linear line and not a fractal of every infinnite possibility that could ever happen

if this shit made any sense there would still be two alternate realities the one where jack goes back and the one where aku is dead in the "future'

>>92566475
It can be 2 ways in form of a closed loop, which this one certainly isnt

>>92566222
>There is a heaven in SJ universe.
>On the other hand, being retconned through time travel probably overlaps that
Who the fuck knows. If heaven can transcend death it can probably also transcend time.

>>92566619
Then there is 2 major problems:
>In the reality where "aku is alive in the future", where most of the series take place, jack never killed Aku. Jack abandoned scottsman and the daughters and aku will rule forever in that time. Bad end
>If that were the case though, ashi was born in the "aku is alive" timeline, and as it still exists, so does ashi.

But we see ashi doesnt exist anymore, so the whole fractal / multiverse falls to pieces. Time is linear in SJ.

So did it never occur to either of them that if the Ashi's father and the future she came from were both gone, that she would also be gone?

Gurren Lagann at least had both characters fully aware that this would happen and wanting to have the wedding anyway before it did. Here Jack is caught completely off-guard and Ashi either figured this would happen but didn't tell him (she doesn't seem too surprised by it), or was just as clueless as he was.

>>92567014

Why did it take her several weeks before she ceased to exist?

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>>92563532
>http://www.strawpoll.me/13010116
jack should have stayed in the future. he could have been king and had ashi too.

>>92567014
Ashi you could excuse given she doesn't know anything the priestess or Jack didn't teach her, but Jack has had decades to ponder that eventuality.

He really was a foolish samurai after all. Bravo Genndy.

>>92567094
Yeah, though nothing, nothing will keep them together.

>>92567057
In TTGL Nia managed to live long enough to
marry MC because of Power of Love(c) kept her alive. It's probably the same shit here

>>92567157
Of course that only works if Ashi knew this would happen

>>92567259
Considering how calmly she takes it, she probably did.

>>92567259
seemed like it from her final words

>>92567259
She felt pain seconds after Aku's death, so she probably knew this. And you don't to be genius to figure that out anyways. I don't know why the fuck she didn't tell Jack about it though. Unlike TTGL it seemed like betrayal from her side desu

>>92563532

You know, I'm not really sure why he WOULDN'T want to return to the past.

Think about it this way: Let's say you're in a future where the world has been nuked. You basically become Mad Max, the Lone Wanderer, or other post-apocalyptic heroes.

But then you have a chance to go back to the time BEFORE the world was nuked, and prevent the apocalypse. Isn't it more responsible to do that? Sure, it sucks that your friends are wiped from the timeline, but you've delivered billions of people into far, far happier lives.

>Aku just fucking HAPPENS to "accidentally" send Jack right back to the moment he sent him to the future at

This was a fucking hack asspull but if they need to, here's a 10/10 ending that could have worked with it:
>Jack is sent back
>Duels with Aku in the past on top of Aku tower
>Aku himself goes into the future out of Jack's reach in the distant past
>Jack looks out on to the past empire with sadness for a moment before leaping into the new portal returning to the future know Aku will continue his evil reign if he stayed behind
>lands the final blow on Aku and end the series with the same end scene we got, except its the future and now represents the rebuilding of a torn world

Jack literally didn't have one hard decision to make. Whether it involves staying in the future or saving Ashi, he needed to make some kind of choice for a satisfying ending, otherwise it doesn't show what he learned in his hero's journey.

>>92567259
In which case she probably should've told Jack at some point so she wouldn't have a "oops sorry lol" moment.

>>92566897
>Time is linear in SJ.
fair enough

i just dont think that time is linear in real life is what i mean but thats just autism not relevant to the show

>>92567414
>Jack hold Ashi in his arms
>she whispers her dying words
>"f-foolish samurai..."

>>92567386
>Duels with Aku
Did people seriously think Jack wouldn't completely annihilate Past!Aku?

>even the archers had a flat screen tv

>>92567544

Yeah, Aku has NEVER been able to beat Jack in a straight-up fight. Like, even the first fight ends with Aku losing.

>>92567563
Aku really raised the standards of living, don't you know.

>>92566260
You could argue that deleting a whole future and everyone living there for the sake of his personal ties to the past is equally selfish. No matter what he did, people either got fucked or were going to get fucked.

>>92567414
>Ashi waits until Jack has summoned all of his friends from around the world
>travel is still low-tech as fuck so some of them may have journeyed months just to be there
>she waits until everything is perfect
>Jack is finally getting the happy ending he wants
>she collapse
>she starts fading
>"Ashi, what's wrong?"
>"Without Aku... I would have never existed."
>Ashi begins to fade
>at the last minute her face turns to Aku's
>"I HAVE RUINED YOUR HAPPIEST DAY FOOLISH SAMURAI AND IT WAS TOTALLY WORTH IT"
>fades away

>>92567626
>defeating literal evil
>selfish

justin trudeau get off co

I'm with these anons
>>92565959
>>92565849
It could've been either choice but one of the biggest problems with this season is that it didn't develop Jack's thoughts of going back to the past or staying in the future. Heck, for as shit as Ashi was, at least she could've been a character to reintroduce this theme.

>>92567576
Well that and the fact that Jack now has 50+ years of constant battle experience on a comparatively green Aku.
>>92567626
I would say one of the big differences is that the future peeps knew that going in. Remember, Aku played the original opening. They knew full well Jack was a time traveler and that if they succeeded, there was a strong chance they would get retconned out of existence.

They came anyway.

>>92563532
If he didn't return to the past then there would have also been a huge backlash.

I think Jack should have killed Aku in the future and just stayed there with Ashi and all of his friends.

I mean, he spent 50 years without his original family; he probably grew apart from them even if he didn't know it.

>>92567886

But then what about all the people Aku killed? Going back in time is the only moral choice, because Aku has ALREADY WON in the future. He's basically unbeatable.

In fact, is it even possible to kill Aku in the future?

>>92567886
They probably should've made it so that he could return to the past, but only briefly. He returns, kills Aku, and then goes back to a changed future. Now he can never go back to his old home in the past, but he can at least live in peace in a brighter future.

>>92567984
>In fact, is it even possible to kill Aku in the future?
It is, he's still terrified of the sword for that reason. That's why he was so desperate to kill Jack, he was the only thing that could threaten him.

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He should've came back for the final battle. Unlike those random ravers, he actually had decent combat experience.

>>92567984
Think about it, it may not have even been possible for Jack to defeat AKU in the future and the only reason AKU lost in the past is he essentially had to fight two jacks, young jack in his emotional and ideological prime and then IMMEDIATELY after almost losing to him he has to fight 50-years-plus-buffed mad max jack who wants nothing more but to slay AKU.

AKU got dp'ed hard by the jacks

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There is not reason Ashi receives damage after Aku's death. that's exactly the point where all fucked up.

>>92568205

Why doesn't that make sense? When Aku dies, Ashi is never born. Therefore, as the universe catches up to the paradox, she ceases to exist.

>>92568205
>>92568244
Well, it is arbitrary. If she disappears because the future never existed, Jack couldn't come back from the future either since he had no future to come back from.

Time travel is bullshit.

>>92568244
>Therefore, as the universe catches up to the paradox
Why would it need to catch up? It should be instant.

>>92568338

I don't know, I'm not a physicist.

>>92568205
You just got Gurren Lagann'd

>>92568244
It has more sense if you'd talk about the same scene.

>>92568330
The fact is, Jack was "frozen" in time when he was in the future for over 50 years. When he came back, he started aging again, because Jack was born before the Aku future or the New future was created, so he's not a paradox. Ashi was.

>>92568330

Really Ashi should have remained because she traveled from a timeline that was real just like Jack did. I believe that when you travel to a point in the past before you change the future you become a part of that timeline.

>>92568470
His existence in the past isn't a paradox in and of itself, but the fact that the means that he used to travel back to the past no longer exists means that by killing Aku he also removes that method of travel, effectively cancelling it out.

>>92568550
No, Jack never belonged in the future in the first place. That's why he was in stasis. Aku created a future that effectively never happened, so Ashi became a temporary fixture in the past until time properly registered that she's a paradox and removed her. Jack exists independently of the Aku future, so the loop is closed.
That's also why the time portal to the past put him immediately after he was sent to the future, because in that instant, time started to make sense again, and the stasis ended.

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>>92568244
Because in this universe there's a linear time, so Ashi disappearance had to be instant

>>92568083
Not anymore. He was not only old as shit but he hadn't fought in 50 years. It's like language skills. Use it or lose it.

>>92568650
Not him but that makes a lot of sense anon. Good work.

>>92568650
>so Ashi became a temporary fixture in the past until time properly registered that she's a paradox and removed her
Why the hell would time need to "properly register" that she's a paradox? It's not like time needs to think about it.

>>92568650
>Jack exists independently of the Aku future, so the loop is closed.
Yeah, but the way of jack returning (ashi) isnt independent of Aku. It is not a very direct case, but thats a grandfather paradox.

>>92567386
This but also

>final scene is Jack going to the guardian portal to fight him so he can get sent to the future

>>92568823
Maybe because Jack NEEDED to exist in the future until he went back to kill Aku, or else time literally couldn't right itself. Jack was necessary to set time back to where it needed to be, but Ashi was not.

Because of jack's return and murder of aku, everything is a paradox and the universe should be destroyed. Jack should have stayed in the future.

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>>92568699
>I felt him leave me
>still covered in Aku skin
>takes another few weeks to actually die

>>92568838
Sure, but in that sense, Aku creating a new future indirectly resulted in his own death. He created the loop himself that came right back to him and ended his existence.

I'm just happy we got an ending.

So why didn't Ashi disappear as soon as Aku died?

>>92568650
>>92568735
Can someone screenshot this and use it as a response for the inevitable next few weeks of finale butthurt?

>>92568244
If you remove the cause, the effect does not happen. But if you remove the cause AFTER the effect happens, then the effect stays.

>>92569047
NO!

Aku dying happens before jack hits the future BECAUSE IT'S THE FUTURE. When aku is killed, jack that got flung should reappear in a world without aku. Since this presumably happened just moments after the first time we see jack get flung, that means jack never should have seen a future with aku. If there are naturally occurring time portals he can come back, but the things we see him doing never should have happened.

>>92563532
I am still confused. I guess it's because I never saw the first episode. He imprisoned Aku but how did jamming the sword into the ground and yelling KILL Aku? It was almost like injecting him into his own fortress caused a massive overload.

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>>92568990
AI YO

>>92566619
>fractal of every infinnite possibility that could ever happen

Because that hasn't been proven.

>>92568898
That still doesn't explain why it took so long for time to autocorrect.

If Ashi never existed why does jack have memories of her. If aku never existed in the future why does jack have memories of his adventures.

>>92569161
>I guess it's because I never saw the first episode.
Why are you watching an ending to a show you never saw the beginning of?

>>92569159
None of the time portals were naturally occurring. Aku created all of them since Jack may have been the first, but certainly not the last to be thrown into the future by Aku.
>>92569193
Time is lazy.

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>>92567144
I see you anon

I see you

>>92569223
knowledge is unaffected by time, I guess.

>>92569161
The sword was made specifically to kill Aku, but since he's a shapeshifter Jack must have needed some sort of finishing move. Even when Aku sent Jack back in time he was very weakened, then Future Jack comes back with a vengeance and wrecks his shit. The move with the sword was just something visually impressive to signify Aku's done for, that's my guess.

>>92569238
Then if Aku died there would be no time portals in the future for jack to return, so he can't come back to kill aku which means there are time portals so jack can come back and kill aku, but that would mean no time portals in the future for jack to return, so he can't come back to kill aku which means there are time portals so jack can come back and kill aku, but that would mean no time portals in the future for jack to return, so he can't come back to kill aku which means there are time portals so jack can come back and kill aku, but that would mean no time portals in the future for jack to return, so he can't come back to kill aku which means there are time portals so jack can come back and kill aku, but that would mean no time portals in the future for jack to return, so he can't come back to kill aku which means there are time portals so jack can come back and kill aku, but that would mean no time portals in the future for jack to return, so he can't come back to kill aku which means there are time portals so jack can come back and kill aku, but that would mean no time portals in the future for jack to return, so he can't come back to kill aku which means there are time portals so jack can come back and kill aku, but that would mean no time portals in the future for jack to return, so he can't come back to kill aku which means there are time portals so jack can come back and kill aku, but that would mean no time portals in the future for jack to return, so he can't come back to kill aku which means there are time portals so jack can come back and kill aku, but that would mean no time portals in the future for jack to return, so he can't come back to kill aku which means there are time portals so jack can come back and kill aku, but that would mean no time portals in the future for jack to return, so he can't come back to kill aku which means there are time portals so jack can come back and kill aku, but that would mean no time portals in the future f

>>92563532
GOTTA
GET
BACK

Thats the entire premise of the series.

>>92569302
Jack came back into the correct time the instant that he left it, as far as time is concerned. Hence why he didn't age. He was in a temporal stasis the whole time until he could re-enter the "correct" time.

>>92569228
Those were years I spent binge drinking and very little into an cartoons from that era. At the time I just figured SJ wouldn't appeal to me. When I realized it -would- ten years passed and finding old episodes seemed like a hassle.

>>92569347
it doesn't matter when he came back, if aku was killed as shown in the show jack never should have seen a future with aku.

I can't wait until people start making charts to explain the ending.

>>92569412
No charts will work because the writers fucked up. The depiction of time travel does not fit the laws of physics.

>>92569399
He was put into the sword, not killed.

>>92569399
No, it does matter. How else do you think Ashi created a time portal to the exact time and place Aku sent him to the future from? She had no idea where or when exactly to place it.
No matter what portal to the past Jack jumped into, any one of them would have taken him to that exact time and place.

the main problem is that the future that is aku wasn't adressed at all after the "oh no"

>a scene with everyone in the final battle fading to white
>a glimpse of a more utopic future
>a last scene with aku fading away and everything else still intact

any of these 3 would have been a better option than nothing

>>92569442
Because we don't know that time travel exists IRL. Time travel in SJ is explicitly magic.

>>92569444
Aku turned into a tree and exploded, and the death was confirmed by Ashi saying she felt him leaving her.

>>92569459
What I mean is that if jack returned to the past 1 second or 100 years after he was sent and came back and killed aku then the future he was sent to should have been one without aku.

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This would be a better ending for me after Ashi took control of her body:
>Jack defeats Aku
>After some training Ashi figures out how to create a time portal
>Jack and Ashi go to past to defeat the Aku of that time line (not linear time crap)
>Jack and Ashi's wedding scene is a reference to yin (Ashi) and yang (Jack), the balance between light and dark, because the dark can't and mustn't be destroyed completely.

>>92569561
>because the dark can't and mustn't be destroyed completely.
>the dark mustn't be destroyed
Aku is pure evil, what does he add to the universe?

>>92563532
Like any good show or game there are unanswered questions aplenty.

Aku's Genesis: How did that magic arrow fuck up and give him sentience? I used to think Jack's father had been set up by one of Aku's agents. But in hindsight that certainly could not have been the case at all for obvious reasons.

Mysterious Old Woman: Was that a Space Ghost reference to Brak's species? I was hoping it would be revealed to be Lulu.

The Guardian: Much has been said about this one. My personal belief is that he saw the future and knew that Ashi + Jack had to be a thing for Aku to go down once and for all.

Here's what should have happened.

Jack was ageless. He could have lived life in the future as an immortal with Ashi at his side. Problem is, Ashi would still have Aku inside of her, thus resulting in a possible event where Ashi turns evil. Jack could have stayed as long as he wanted in the future and gone back to the past by having Ashi toh open a potal and having it stay forever.

But I guess to finish the series quickly it had to happen this way.

>>92569603
>Aku is pure evil, what does he add to the universe?
Balance

>>92569618
this guy gets it

>>92569618

the supergods in the show sure didn't believe in balance. Aku's existance was an oversight, not a play for balance.

>>92569522
>What I mean is that if jack returned to the past 1 second or 100 years after he was sent and came back and killed aku then the future he was sent to should have been one without aku.
You're right.
It's also the reason why Jack never aged during his stay in the Aku future. Jack eventually would go back to the past and kill Aku. It was always the case that he would, hence why he wasn't allowed to age.
What was NOT expected was coming back with something from the future that never existed- Ashi. It took a few years for time to correct this and erase her though. For some reason.
Her hair certainly grew long enough for me to suspect it's been some number of years.

>>92569618
Balance from what? Too much good?

Is too much good evil?

>>92569684
You're missing the point. Jack and Ashi never should have met in the first place. Aku died in the past, so there was never a future with aku.

>>92569690

He's a retard who thinks he's being deep. Don't worry about it

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Someday, somewhere!

>>92569604
You make a good point. That the Guardian probably saw the possibility of it just going on forever with Aku and Jack having to deal with it as his noblest self. Or it could just end.

>>92569732
Jack's actions still happened in a possible existence. Aku caused the shift in time, and inadvertently set events in motion to a point where he'd die no matter what. The path between those two points of beginning and end are just means to an end, but they happen nonetheless.

>>92569732

There was for Jack.

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>>92569734
>If you don't understand him, don't worry, he must be a retard.
Great advice

>>92569884
Jack is explicitly stated to be sent to the future.
Jack comes back and kills Aku moments after he was sent to the future.
Because Aku is dead, Jack must appear in a future without Aku. This is how causality works.

>>92563532
>http://www.strawpoll.me/13010116

I don't think I've ever seen a poll with this many votes be this close. Looks like we will be arguing about this for years

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>There are "people" who don't think Jack should have rescued his father

Sort yourselves out.

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>>92569752

>>92569936

Nah you're a fucking spastic mate. Fucking "Balance" give me a break

>>92569968
There's probably samefagging on both sides to keep it at 50/50.

>>92569970

We have two kinds of people here. Those who want Jack to stay in the future so he can be happy with all his friends and those who want Jack to go to the past to ultimately defeat Aku knowing he will suffer

One group is selfish and the other is not

>>92565849
So how does the comic end?

>>92570045
>defeat Aku knowing he will suffer

How? He'll be where he belongs, and teh Earth won't go through centuries under the thumb of a demon.

>>92570047
basically Jack assembles an army made of allies and enemies from the past to against Aku.

>>92570047

It essentially adds context to what you see through the Guardian's portal in that one episode.

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>>92564298
>>92566111
This so fucking much.

>Without Aku, I would never exist
>Fades away
YOU FUCKERS TOLD ME DESTROYING AKU IN THE PAST WOULD CREATE TWO TIMELINES! I DON'T GIVE A SHIT ABOUT ASSI BUT WHAT ABOUT THE SCOTSMAN, WHAT ABOUT ALL THE OTHER CHARACTERS, WHAT ABOUT THE DOGGOS! WHAT'S THE FUCKING POINT OF RESCUING THEM IF YOU'RE JUST GONNA REMOVE THEM FROM EXISTENCE?! FUCK!

>>92570047
It doesn't. Someone should set-up a kickstarter so the people who worked on the comic could come-up with a proper comic conclusion.

>>92570045
which is the selfish side?

>>92570085
This. This right here. All this.

>>92570070
>How? He'll be where he belongs, and teh Earth won't go through centuries under the thumb of a demon.

Instead of suffering under the thumb of a demon COUNTLESS PEOPLE NEVER EVEN EXISTED.

Jack just wiped out more people than Aku ever killed.

>>92568990
they wanted the TTGL ending

>>92563532
I would have preferred the comic version, to be honest. Especially since it would have ended with an actual final battle with Aku, rather then the anti-climactic death he got in the finale.

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>>92569690
>>92570008
If you destroy evil, it will appear again, just in a different form.

>>92570093
gdi anon you can't just fix everything with fucking kickstarters.

>>92570119

Yeah OK anon. Aku lives for eternity and we know he fucks with other planets. Had Jack not defeated him he would have just gone on causing misery for the rest of time on multiple worlds

>>92570085
>>92566111
>>92566260
you know, the moment ashi attacked jack and the scotsman keep talking, i realized genndy wouldn't show any kind of closure to the future characters and probably didn't even consider that. they always were meant to be just fodder to the "real" friends from jack's past. like the narrative equivalent of an army of joke characters comically trying to help the actual, fleshed out main couple.

>>92570332
Not that Anon, but it is possible for Jack to destroy Aku in the future, and then leave time travelling alone, right? Allow Aku's years of ruling the Earth and possibly other planets to have existed, but end at that point in time in the future?

>>92570085
Creating two timelines would be worse. If the timeline was split, Aku would be the undisputed ruler of his timeline.
Never having existed is preferable to existing under the evil that is Aku.

>>92570418
Then he could have destroyed Aku before going back to the past. He had the sword, he had an ally with Aku's powers, he had a bunch of other allies from previous episodes and Aku was right there.

>>92570085
>WHAT'S THE FUCKING POINT OF RESCUING THEM IF YOU'RE JUST GONNA REMOVE THEM FROM EXISTENCE?!
Aku told the world that Jack sought to go back to the past and undo the future. Undo everything.

They came to save him anyway. Everyone did.

>>92570085
1. Their happiness in the moment wasn't any less real just because they no longer exist
2. Not existing is preferable to suffering at the hands of Aku for millennia
3. Most of them were bastardized, unnatural things that never belonged on Earth to begin with
4. Fuck you antenna dog

>>92570452
And if going to the past would have done that, he and Ashi would have killed Aku before leaving. But since it doesn't, they could leave right away.

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>how was that new episode, anon?
>it was sad, the main character's girlfriend faded from reality before they got married
>hahaha
>no it was sad, like she was walking down the isle then collapsed (what the fuck am i saying shit shit shit) and then laid in his arms saying after defeating the bad guy she was dying (bail bail bail) and then she vanished and the main character started crying and he usually doesn't do that (i've lost a friend fucking god damn it why am i retarded)

>>92570474
>2. Not existing is preferable to suffering at the hands of Aku for millennia
Go fuck yourself fedora tipper.

>>92570498
You are assuming that Jack and Ashi are aware of how time travel works, but considering Jack's surprise at Ashi's nonexistence I don't think that is the case.

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>>92568701
I am surprised they do not appear in the final showdown. They do owe him a favor.

Explain saving the future guys over going back every time except this time

>>92570564
So Ashi made a gamble (or was just being dumb), but it worked out allright in the end. Because if anyone knows how his time travel works, it's Aku, and he didn't react as if he'd just won.

>>92570109
bump question

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>>92570578

>>92570588
I suppose.

>>92570593
The one where Jack stays virgin

It could have worked either way, but the show aimed to Jack stuck in the future and then gave us back to the past anyways. They went into the consequences of Jack's actions too much and showed the future getting better and having hope, and THEN they gave us the undo everything button and he pressed it. The ending works, but taken as a whole with the season, was not very satisfying.

It was especially jarring when taken with that picture of warlord Jack where you're certain his beard and hair are aiming for that at the beginning and then they just turn him into young Jack in a zap of random magic. I feel like that's the turning point where the series changed its mind about what it wanted to do. That and his refusal to go back in time because it would sacrifice people from this timeline throughout the series prior just didn't add up.

>>92563532
>poll results are exactly 50%/50%
Talk about a splitting a community in two, god damn. Not like we're all one big happy community, but still, wow.

>>92570559
>Suffering under Aku is preferable to living in a world without Aku. SOMEHOW

No, go fuck yourself, anon.

>>92565849
>Canadian cyborg

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>>92570711
Nothing separates this board like Samurai Jack, it seems.

>>92570578
before? jack was a selfless hero who would rather save those in need in the present than abandon them. kinda dumb, but hey, jack could find another way home and heroes don't abandon those they can save.

but since in the final battle jack left literally everyone he knew to die to aku to go to the past, he clearly doesn't give a shit about that anymore.

so it's very dumb ending because of that. if jack was just gunna ditch those in need to stop the evil that is aku from ever being in the future, why did he wait so long to do it? he should have went back in time the first chance he had.
it made little sense than, now makes even less sense now that he's done the thing he avoided doing.
jack isn't a hero, he's a fucking dumbass who made a lot of people needlessly suffer because he wanted to feel like a righteous hero

>>92570499
>i've lost a friend
WHERE DID I GO WRONG

This would be a satisfying conclusion to the series of old, but they aimed too high too early on. Scaramouche is going to go down as one of the most memorable things about this series and that temple scene right after was fuckin beautiful and showed how high Gendy was aiming... and then it sunk back to random episode quality as time went on.

>>92570739
I want that robot to fill me with his oil :( </3

>>92570739
Fuck off, the second one is obviously a joke thread

>>92570763
SONY YOU WENT WRONG
WITH THE PS3

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I guess its a 50/50

>>92570474
>1. Their happiness in the moment wasn't any less real just because they no longer exist
It is, in fact, less real. Time itself objects so fiercely to it that it retroactively erases it and all things it produced. Reality itself denies that it ever was a moment.
>>92570570
They also had no way of knowing what was happening on Earth.
But it doesn't matter now; Jack was never around to save them.

I have three different ways for fixing the ending:

1. Jack is stuck in the future, kills Aku there, and has to live with the fact that he'll never see his home again, but at least he has Ashi.
1b. Jack is stuck in the future and has to kill Ashi anyways in order to kill Aku. Worst ending, but makes sense logically.

2. As the original ending, but Ashi fades from existence immediately after they escape Aku's tower (at the moment where she says she felt Aku leave her). Instead of a wedding a celebration is held for his victory, but he's solemn from the loss of Ashi, who only exists as a memory now. Final scene with the tree and ladybug plays out as normal. This one still doesn't make as much logical sense with linear time travel, but the timing of Ashi's disappearance makes more sense.

3. The ending Jack deserved. Time travel works off of branching streams, meaning Ashi could still exist despite Aku being killed in the past. Final shot is both of them under the tree. Bonus points if the time used originally to set up the wedding and Ashi's disappearance is reallocated into more fighting with future Aku. Even more bonus points if Jack kills future Aku before returning to the past with Ashi to then kill past Aku as well.

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Jack doesn't know the relation between the ladybug and Ashi's redemption. And it's impossible that the ladybug is a reincarnation of Ashi. So why he smiles?

>>92570929
nigga just happy he saw a bug I guess

>>92570929
That's what I expected and was pissed at the possibility, so don't fucking start

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>>92565849
Who is that qt flying alien?

>>92570929
He's gonna FUCK THAT BUG

>>92570929
Because the world is still beautiful

>>92570929
It reminds him of the time Ashi lowered her weapon against him on that island.
Also >>92570966

>>92570981
>It reminds him of the time Ashi lowered her weapon against him on that island.
...he didn't see that. that's what he meant in his post by "Jack doesn't know the relation between the ladybug and Ashi's redemption."
he didn't see her do any of that. all he knows is that they went to the island and ashi calmed her tits for some reason.

>>92571014
Jack sees all babe, his senses are on fire.

>>92571038
He knows scary much.

>>92570902
3 is the same as
>>92567386
and
>>92569561
The ending Jack deserved indeed

>>92571038
>so skillful he can hear lady bugs land on figure tips and eyes widen with new found realizations
damn jack

>>92567144
like dolphins

It was a weird ending. The whole episode felt like it was focusing on the wrong parts.

I feel that Jack staying in the future would've been a better ending, simply because it echoes the entire theme and internal struggle Jack was having throughout the season; specifically, healing and moving forward. Unfortunately Samurai Jack has never really been about its plots and its stories, more its atmosphere and its action, so we got exactly what it was the premise had promised us: Jack goes back to the past and undoes the evil that is Aku.

I mean, it's kinda fucked-up that Jack gets bent out of shape over Ashi dying but doesn't spare a thought for the potentially trillions of people who now will never have existed.

>>92570981
>It reminds him of the time Ashi lowered her weapon against him on that island.
Jack did not see that

>>92568856
T H I S
Literally this is all that is needed to fix that messy ending we have now.
Just a few seconds long scene with old Jack arriving at Guardian's portal.

>>92571168
It's a linear time so Jack would travel a diferent future not the one he knows.

>>92570929
>Jack doesn't know the relation between the ladybug and Ashi's redemption.
jack has bullshit hyperawareness, he knew Ashi was sneaking up on him.

>>92569603
>>92569618
>>92569690
Yin-Yang do not and were never meant to reflect good and evil. Their concepts are different and we equate the two out of pure ignorance. Evil as the west knows it is a thing to be fought against and ultimately removed, like Ahriman of Zoroastrianism. Yin is a concept meant to represent femininity, darkness, passivity, stillness, etc. It is not at all like "evil", and it is not hard to understand why any of it's related concepts must continue to exist, albeit counterbalanced by their opposing forces.

Now an argument can be made for Aku representing Mikaboshi of shinto mythology. He represents the primordial darkness that once enveloped all existence and constantly seeks to do so again. He is the source of human passions, which obviously when allowed to flourish would bring about chaos, but must still exist for us to be human at all.

>>92571295
To add to your point, remember what Jack was able to do in the time it took for a drop of water to fall to completely hidden enemies in The Princess and the Bounty Hunters? I don't think it's too far a stretch to assume Jack heard the wind on her blade or the grass crinkling as Ashi sat down on it or something.

>>92571381
Remember when Jack heard the branch crack he was standing on but just stood there surprised it was about to fall

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In fairness to Genndy, people would be bitching if he made Jack stay in the future. Their is no he could have settled the Future vs Past thing without isolating someone.

Go to the past and you wipe millions out of existence. Stay in the future and let your family and millions of others suffer under Aku's reign.

>>92571381
>remember what Jack was able to do in the time it took for a drop of water to fall to completely hidden enemies in The Princess and the Bounty Hunters?
Every single other episode evinces this being extreme stylistic exaggeration, but your point remains true.

>>92571422
>Stay in the future and let your family and millions of others suffer under Aku's reign.
Have a vision of them telling Jack it's alright to move on and that they still love him etc

>>92571420
Comedy Jack, Fight Jack, and Drama Jack all have extremely disparate capabilities.

>>92571447
>Have a vision of them telling Jack it's alright to move on and that they still love him etc
No, fuck that. They toiled away in slavery for the rest of their lives believing their son and emperor died that day to Aku.

>>92571447
>>92571470
whoops, meant prince not emperor

>>92564298
Wait a second aren't you future fags saying you should let go of previous ties for a new a better future? Because that's what going back to the past fucking does

>>92571422
One side is arguing that Jack needed to ultimately succeed for their feel good ending, the other is saying what thematically makes sense with the rest of the series including but not limited to all the events of season 5 leading up to the end. I know what side I agree with more.

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As much as I liked Ashi and wanted her to survive, Jack and the show as a whole got the closure it deserved, if somewhat mishandled - back to the past, beat Aku, save the world.

Ashi said she felt Aku "leave her", which means there was a way for her to survive after he was beaten, but since causality needs to be preserved (which is rubbish at this point, killing Aku would mean that Jack would not be able to get back, grandfather paradox and the works, Ashi should've disappeared the moment Aku died or not at all), she had to go, which was more of a "forced bittersweet" ending than anything.

>>92570929
because he knows what he does is right and not a waste.

>>92563943
>cue Italian Samurai Jack

>>92565869
>He kills aku in the past, thus erasing the future with aku.
Thus erasing all the people he had saved.

>>92563532
Yeah because then you have a nice message about strength through suffering being preferable to wishing for no suffering, because Jacks pain and loss is worth something to him and to all the friends he made over the course of the show which is a lot fucking better than Jack goes to the past because Ashi does everything for him and then he just lives in the past with none of his friends and nothing to live for except ladybugs.

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>>92565869
So he should have just abandoned those monks because in the end it wouldn't matter if they lived or died.

>>92570929
I seriously expected him to find the Guardian and his portal in the past and go back to the future.

It would be perfect.

Would be cool if Aku was kill and Jack lived with Ashi in the future.

>>92572096
Seriously, that would've wrapped up everything. I guess Genndy just really wanted to do an artsy closing shot

>>92563532

Gurren Lagann/10

>>92570085
>WHAT'S THE FUCKING POINT OF RESCUING THEM IF YOU'RE JUST GONNA REMOVE THEM FROM EXISTENCE?
is what all of them wanted
DO YOU EVEN WATCHED THE EPISODE YOU FUCKING FURFAG?
It was a sacrifice for Jack happiness , beat Aku

>>92570045
>Stays in the future knowing that everyone he cares about will exist, and that his and everyone elses suffering had meaning.
>Goes to the past and everyone including his own actions are unmade and mean nothing, but his friends never suffered

You can't win, its 'selfish' to unmake the people in the future and its 'selfish not to save the people in the past. Ideally I would prefer the ending that says suffering has meaning rather than the one that just unmakes it all.

>>92572184
Nah, that ending is not even close to gurren's ending

>>92563532
No. He had to get back to the past and kill Aku there. Had to. He could have done some tether-mumbo-jumbo and get himself sent to the Aku future afterwards though. But returning to the past verifies which side wins.
Still, Jack knows where some of the time portals are now, right?
And as much as I hate to agree, co was right, the pacing was off. Big start, weak time-wasting middle, rushed ending that should have gone on a bit longer.

What should have happened

>Jashi go back to the past
>Aku: Ohh shit
>Aku goes back too
>Double the Aku
>"I'm seeing double. Four Jacks!" The twin Akus would say
>Jack, Jack, and Ashi destroy the Akus and everything is happy gilmore

>>92563532
I would not mind either honestly.

>>92563532
>Would you prefer the ending if Jack was stuck in the future?
Of fucking course.
This show was always about the cool future, not boring medieval Japan.
What's Jack gonna do in there anyway without any robots to slash and porridge to eat?

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Wow. That really needed 30 minutes at least.

Like, a real 30 minutes, not 22 with eight minutes for ads.

Hell, I'd have loved a 40 minutes special to really seal the deal.

Fuck you CN. You cancelled it a decade ago, went in to panic mode as you share price & revenue ebb away, but even though you moved this shit to AS presumably for more creativity and srs bizness you still cucked Gennedy even at the very end. Talk about killing the golden goose.

Any real reason to really watch CN/AS in 2017?

>>92571618
>what thematically makes sense with the rest of the series
Which would, of course, be the goal stated in the intro for 62 episodes straight (this season too!).

>>92572096
>I seriously expected him to find the Guardian and his portal in the past and go back to the future. It would be perfect.
I agree
M-maybe Adult Swim will make a surprise and release episode 11 next week?

>>92572268
I feel like the ending missed the point entirely. Jack should have realised that his entire life was in the future and that he has to let go of the past to embrace what he has in the future. The selfishness argument doesn't work because no matter what Jack does he's fucking people over.

>>92569985
P O T T E R Y
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>>92570957
too bad they do not make any cameos in the last season.

I thought it was somewhat satisfying to see the whole trip back that's been teased most of my life be resolved. I can see why people would argue for a future ending, but I think the "gotta get back" line would have been phased out if that was ever a realistic possiblity.

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>>92563532
As fun as it could be, Aku's future was too miserable and just plain weird to be allowed to exist.

If Aku had tried to threaten them with potential erasure at Jack succeeding, you wouldn't even get all Justice Guild-y about it. Everyone there would just be like:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=om5rbtudzrg

>>92570499
I fucking hate explaining cartoons in real life where if you say something weird you can't take it back and you sound like a fuck

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The real question is:
Was the whole Ashi relationship better than a season full of Jack getting back his old friends, fighting Scaramouche and beating Aku in the end?

>>92570844
>hey also had no way of knowing what was happening on Earth.
MUH SPACE TV
INTERDIMENSIONAL CABLE 3: NON APRIL FOOLS EDITION

>>92572375
No, Ashi was a mistake.

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would you look at that we DID bingo
Also did anyone do the gaijin 4koma reaction yet?

>>92570570
The blue one is so cute.

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>>92570499
>The thought this cliche riddled, cheesy, poorly developed and explained ending was sad
You fucking faggot

>>92572410
this bingo makes me sad as fuck that we know these things

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>>92570929
ladybug and chat noir are reincarnations of jack and ashi

But which is which???

>>92572434
It makes me sad more due to the reactions in the boxes, even if unmarked

>>92572410
Shouldn't power of friendship be checked as well?

He had to go back

>>92563532
I would of had an epilogue added showing the future in the new timeline with everyone having lives free from Aku's influence. Most importantly, X9 and Lulu reunited.

>>92572453
all jack's friends didn't do much except buy jack more time to free ashi
besides it wasn't the power of friendship that finally killed aku, it was indeed the sword

>>92572453

Agreed. Only reason jack got free was his friends bailing him out and distracting aku

>>92572465
On the flip side, he only escaped because of all of his friends, and he only got back to the past because of his relationship with Ashi.

>>92563532
I think it was right that jack went back to the past, no matter his personal interest in staying in the future and living his life there he still has the entire past filled with suffering caused by Aku on his conscience since he could do something about it: go back to the past and kill Aku. He can end centuries(millennia?) of suffering.

The last scene pointed at that, that spot was probably the same spot as when Jack showed Ashi the only surviving tree Aku left. And now he looked over an entire forest of those trees meaning that all the suffering Aku would have done(had done?) will never happen. Ashi disappearing was the price paid.

Now, that doesn't mean the episode wasn't rushed as fuck and the entire season wouldn't have benefited from more time and optimizing the content to deliver a better pacing.

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Honestly, I would've been happy if somehow this was made into a happy ending.

So is jack gonna jump start technology with all his knowledge of the future

>>92572456
Yea, why not

I mean have X9 and Lulu run in from opposite sides of the screen and hug by sweet thing jumping into his arms

just a bunch of happy stuff and showing that all that shit is still around, maybe showing planet-based aliens thriving on their homeworld, one or two even planning a visit to earth


future aku should've fucking been defeated by jack though like god damn dude

>>92563532
People are pretty much split on this shit.

>>92572465
He broke Ashi's mind control instantly just by saying I love you as well.

>>92572493
He isn't sure how it's made and also still didn't grasp the concept of a walkie talkie, which was the best thing about him, his naive yet cunning character

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>>92572485

>>92572501
Yeah, I wanted to see Jack fuck him up after he rained spikes on all his friends.

>>92572092
yes, but he was young and a noob hero

>>92572485
>The first feeling robot is invented in the Aku-free far future
>It's used as a robotic animal caretaker and adopts a stray pug as it's own, along with dozens of other animals

I honestly would have preferred an ending in which Jack stayed in the future. It fit better the theme of "accept the past mistakes you've made, move forward" and having Jack dealing with the disasters Aku caused in the future. However, I don't blame Genndy for this, since whatever he did he would be pissing somebody off. When Jack was sent to the past I was a bit disappointed, but still pretty thrilled to see Jack actually going back.
So, despite it not being quite what I was hoping for, the ending that was given to us was much more tragic and subdued, and I liked that.

>>92572240
ashi gets spitroasted noice

>>92572539
stop reminding me that genndy could've been based and that we could've had a montage in the alternate timeline with everything being A+

>>92572519
he had to jump inside of the body to get her too though

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>>92572531
Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck this would've been perfect! Why didn't we get this ending instead?! Instead we just saw Jack get cucked by Aku one final time!

Ashi's death reminds me of something I've seen but I've never watched anime enough to remember it this way and I know it wasn't the thing people say it copied.

I just remember this person walking and everything being happy but then it gets weird for a second and she just fucking dies and falls over.

Could be any fucking Lifetime movie I happened to glance at while visiting parents though

>>92572531
the ashi school thing makes me fucking infuriated for some reason but the rest is fine and doesn't make me autistic

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>>92567014
I feel like a lot of the significance was dropped by bridging Ashi well after the climax was resolved and the threat was over. It just seemed like some minor afterthought. No weight to it, or any kind of final reflection of her character progression.

She could've died of pneumonia or cardiac arrest in the middle of the wedding and it'd feel just the same.

Maybe if they had a split second scene with her looking worried and then calmly coming to terms with knowing her fate before walking down the aisle to tie it all back in. Might've helped idc.

>the ending you didn't know you wanted
what the fuck did he mean by this? jack getting back to the past? literally the main plot and said in the main opening theme.

>>92572660
Ashi was never a genuine character

>>92572611

Gurren Lagaan?

The gravity falls finale was more intense than this hot garbage, it's like Genndy didn't try at all and just followed a straight forward idea that everything is doing right now, which is having EVERYONE BACK FOR THE FINALE and Anime references but being so caught up in that he forgot having a fucking final battle that was in the episode synopsis in the spotlight

i think he just did this so the autists would stop asking when it'd be finished, but now he's got a lot more questions to be asked by autists

>>92572816
I didn't want to believe it, but I honestly think this is Ashi's fault. If we didn't spend so much time on her we would've had more time for a satisfying finale

>>92572816

> it's like Genndy didn't try at all and just followed a straight forward idea that everything is doing right now, which is having EVERYONE BACK FOR THE FINALE and Anime references but being so caught up in that he forgot having a fucking final battle that was in the episode synopsis in the spotlight

This is the one argument I don't understand.

Jack and Aku fought a bunch of times in the show. They fought so any times that Genndy made an entire joke episode about how over-the-top the storytelling could get with the battles they constantly had, showing that functionally every battle with Aku would be the same thing to a certain point.

I don't get why people wanted ANOTHER gigantic fight scene with them. The fanservice stuff provided the juice for the fight, and the actual last battle was quick and to the point, it was great.

>>92570047
Jack grows old and assembles his allies against Aku in a final battle. We never see the battle but he's wearing the same clothes as seen in the Guardian's prophecy, hence implying he wins.

>>92565606
I wonder if Genndy avoided doing that finale just because the comics had done it first and he wanted to do something different.

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>>92572816
>stan deals the final blow to bill, everyone's happy
>jack deals the final blow to aku, everyone's happy
meh

>>92568083
>He should've came back for the final battle
The guy was like 80.

It would have been cool had he become a legit samurai though.

>>92572096
I was expecting that to happen to, but... I dunno, that seems both illogical and out of character. For once, even if he traveled to the future it'd be a different future since he killed Aku in the past. And Jack sacrificing his home just to be with Ashi would be incredibly selfish.

>>92573193
Why did we have the timeskip anyway? What did that add to the plot to jump ahead that far?

Getting back was probably best. Having him just beat Aku in the future would be far too bitter of an ending, his parents and everyone he knew stayed enslaved by Aku and he ruled the world for 1000 years, and would have basically defeated Jack in his quest to go back.

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>>92573247
>>92573247
>Why did we have the timeskip anyway? What did that add to the plot to jump ahead that far?

How about 5 years instead of 50?

You wouldn't have to do a "LOL I DON'T AGE" shit and would have given everyone an excuse to level up.

>>92572874
I agree, there wasn't a cheesy scene where Jack or Aku wasted time fighting and giving speeches, Aku just got annihilated.

>>92572375
That sounds like a much better season than what we got.

>>92573245
He lived 50 years in the future; most of his life. Regardless of whether Ashi was around or not, he's more familiar with that place than he is with where he was born. If he went back and saved his family, but still pined for the future he actually lived in that'd be acceptable.
>>92573283
I say move it in real time. Actually 16 years in the future. Gives time for Jack to settle in as a legend and allows Scots and Aku daughters a reasonable time to grow up. Jack would be older, but not so old as to be incapable. Or you could still freeze his aging, wouldn't really make a difference beyond making the Ashi/Jack romance less creepy

>>92573342
>He lived 50 years in the future; most of his life. Regardless of whether Ashi was around or not, he's more familiar with that place than he is with where he was born. If he went back and saved his family, but still pined for the future he actually lived in that'd be acceptable.
The thing is that would not be the future he lived in. It's a completely different future, and if you remember episode 2 of season 5, Jack fucking loathes the world Aku has made.
"I WON'T SPEND ETERNITY IN THIS FORSAKEN TIME".

>>92572375

>Was the whole Ashi relationship better than a season full of Jack getting back his old friends, fighting Scaramouche and beating Aku in the end?

Yes.

This has nothing to do with waifuism, it could have been a male protege too. But their would have to be an external narrative element to force a conclusion to a show that was so rigidly episodic, and a new character though which you can see the influence of Jack was the best option.

>>92573380
>external narrative element to force a conclusion
Says who? Even if that was somehow required, one of Jack's old friends would have been a much better choice than a brand new character.

>>92566003
Fuck you, Sakurai is best husbando

>>92573283
Not to mention tumblr wouldn't have cried PEDOPHILE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IllSfxDXNvg

They still would be butthurt by the reminder of heterosexual majority.

>>92573372
If the places and people were still roughly equivalent, you could make an argument that he'd still be more comfortable around them than in the past. Assuming people like the Scotsman were still around and like their old selves he could just make friends with them again. It'd be a strange kind of friendship, but workable.

>>92573412

>Says who?

Because it would be an endless loop of Jack looking for portals and Aku destroying them. That's why the show was set so far in the future, to emphasise the eventual futility of Jack's quest as presented in the original series.

> one of Jack's old friends would have been a much better choice than a brand new character.

Jack's only continuing friend that mattered was the Scotsman.

>>92573372
Depression Jack loathes the future. He also loathes Ashi and wanted to murder an old man.
I think it's safe to say blue Jack isn't an accurate reflection of his true feelings.

>>92573458
It's possible, but I still feel it would have been cheap having Jack realize that the future "wasn't so bad after all" and that the past he had yearned for so long "is kind of overrated anyway". I mean, if you dedicated more time to this realization, it would have worked, but having it as an afterthought during the last few minutes of the episode would just have been really rushed bad writing.

>>92573476
It's a part of his feelings, certainly. It's also context-relevant; Suicide Jack can't stand being trrapped in a world in permanent stalemate with Aku, where every fire he puts out is replaced with 10 more, all while the failure of his quest scourges his mind. In an Aku-less future, Jack's opinion might have moderated some, especially since Ash had gotten through to Jack and reminded him that he DID make a difference and doing good DOES matter.

>>92573476
I think those really were his true feelings. Just because he got rid of them doesn't mean they were not true. Think of it as his subconscious. He showed calm and collected as much as he could, but that is how he really felt deep inside. Cleansing himself of them was what he needed in order to regain balance.

>>92570418
>they could have explained this and had Jack have to choose to be with ashi, albeit with an alternate reality where aku reigns over the world, or save said other world, but lose ashi

>>92573509
Anon, it was already rushed bad writing. We'd need to redo the whole season to enact any change with any meaningful impact.

>>92573516
It's an aspect, yes. But we all can have wildly conflicting feeling about the same thing. You can hate a thing and miss it, you can love someone and still be infuriated with them, etc. Again, assuming the future would be Aku free would leave only the things he liked to reminisce on.

>>92573535
Then I guess he really wanted to kill Ashi deep down all this time too.

So the problem with time travel is the whole "erasing the future" thing, which is unsatisfying for a viewer when they start to question why all the characters they liked are no way erased from history.

From Jack's perspective though, I do think it would be better for him to be in the future. By the end of the series, he had been in the future longer than he had been in his own time. All his friends were in the future, his love exists because of the future, everyone he inspired was in the future. Jack's happy ending was in the future.

And as someone who watched his journey from the start, I believe most would prefer that Jack got a happy ending over fulfilling his original goal of getting back to the past.

>>92570418
That could be solved by slaying Aku in both timelines.

>>92573604
>Anon, it was already rushed bad writing. We'd need to redo the whole season to enact any change with any meaningful impact.
Well, that's your opinion, and I humbly disagree. I liked the ending; I thought it was well paced and executed. Maybe I'd extend Ashi's death a little to allow for more drama, but the suddenness itself is pretty dramatic too.
>Then I guess he really wanted to kill Ashi deep down all this time too.
At first he did; he threw her down the cliff without hesitation. After that he changed his mind and resisted the temptation to do so because he felt it wasn't right even if his subconscious told him he should just get it over with.

>>92573615
>I believe most would prefer that Jack got a happy ending over fulfilling his original goal of getting back to the past.
http://www.strawpoll.me/13010116/r
Very barely most. Opinion is pretty split according to this sample.

>>92573615
I wouldn't call them exactly life long friends. I mean, the Archers for example only met Jack once 50 years ago; that doesn't sound like a very deep friendship. He did them a big favor that day, but not much beyond that. Same with all the people he encountered them; he usually just solved their problems and then left. That's the nomad's life.

>>92573645
>wants to give even more time to the Ashi drama
Well I guess we should just agree to disagree

It's shitty they had to spell out that Aku was not part of Ashi anymore and that she disappeared because of timeline shenanigans. They could have implied that through a visual metaphor with the black goo or something.

>they go back to the past
>the goo gradually disappears over a montage
>at first Jack and Ashi are happy about the vanishing influence
>Ashi starts showing signs that she's ill
>Jack still decides to marry her
>as the last parts of Aku's magic disappear, they spend her last moments watching the sunset or something equally romantic
>Ashi disappears in Jack's arms
>sadjack.png
>the thing with the ladybug happens
>ending

It's cheesy and cliché, but at least it respects show, don't tell. Having Ashi explains what was happening felt very unnatural.

Who is to say that half the characters wont be born in a new future if the timeline is linear?

Space travel is implied to exist independently of Aku, he just lets space assholes come live on earth because hes evil and they know it, so wouldn't the nice races still evolve/exist?

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Could anyone link the reaction guys pic for the final episode?

fuck.

FUCK!

I wanted Jack to finally be happy.
I wanted them to get married.
I didn't want her gone, /co/.

Fuck!

Jesus christ, I'm 32 and crying like a little bitch, FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK

>>92572375
I just wanted another season of one-off episode with neat worldbuilding and adventures, and then maybe a 2 or at most 3 part finale

>>92573683
That just implies she died because of some magical link to Aku, not because of paradox problems
The way they set this up makes it very hard to differentiate the two without spelling it out

It was weaker than any storyline involving a rematch with the guardian, that's for sure. Also Ashi dying was pointless.

>>92573680
Very well. I mean, not much, just a quick "I love you, Jack." and perhaps some "Please Ashi, you can't... it can't end like this, please..." A kiss and boom, she's gone. No more than 10 seconds, really.

Everything Jack did in the future amounted TO FUCKING NOTHING except WOUNDS THAT WILL NOT HEAL. All he got was 50 years of skills and experience and nothing else.

SHIT ending. FUCKING INFURIATING ENDING. Fuck Genndy, fuck the story direction of season 5, fuck JUST 10 fucking episodes. I want MORE JACK and a satisfying ending.

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>>92573722
Faggot

>>92573744

Jack is a man of honour. His entire life's purpose was to defeat Aku. Now you could argue about defeating him in the future is a mission complete, but that's not how Jack see's it.

We've only really see the future where Aku won, Jack remembers the world before Aku.

He did the right thing.

I'm sure for Jack it wasn't easy to leave all his friends behind, I'm sure once Ashi Marty McFly'd her way out of existence he hurt, but his one true comfort was he saved the entire fucking world, for all time.

>>92573783
>but his one true comfort was he saved the entire fucking world, for all time.
By completely annihilating another, for all time.

>>92573744
If Jack hadn't lost the first time none of that shit would have happened in the first place.
It was his responsibility, no more like his very existence was to go back to the past and "undo the future that is Aku"

>>92573804

By all rights with aku not meant to be on earth, his timeline is like a parasite, it isn't mean to be ours. Remember, he fell to earth by random accident.

Anyone not thinking Jack did the right thing doesn't understand Jack as a character .Everything he done was to get back to the past, and sure he saved others over going back many times, but that was because he's pure of heart and decent. He can't be selfish, he doesn't really know how.

Jack did the right thing wether /co/ agrees or not. He completed his life's mission.

>>92573838
>sure he saved others over going back many times, but that was because he's pure of heart and decent. He can't be selfish, he doesn't really know how.
Ironically, it would logically be more selfish to repeatedly forfeit opportunities to go back and slay Aku, thereby preventing the suffering he'd be saving them from in the first place, just to ease his own conscience and give himself the illusion of doing good.

>>92573758
Incel.

The episode definitely needed better pacing and I do believe that Jack should have atleast killed future Aku and then had a moment to ponder if returning to the past and rewriting history is the right thing to do.

Ultimately though I do think returning to the past was the right thing to do since that was the whole fucking plot to the series as a whole. Plus if Jack had stayed in the future he would have essentially been immortal and had to watch all his friends and ashi die eventually anyways to the point that he would eventually kill himself since its the only way out

Jack going back to the past makes sense, it's what the series was always about. The whole "you can't change the past, you have to live for the future" doesn't make a lick of sense since, by all means, the "past" is his present. Jack isn't "meant" to be in the future.

The problem isn't that he goes back to the past, but that every character he met in the future is left hanging. The epilogue really needed a flash-forward to the future showing how it looks without millenia of Aku opression.

Also Ashi ceasing to exist raises a lot of questions and felt unfulfilling. Why is her final line pure exposition?

Other than that, I really love the episode.

>>92574145
>Why is her final line pure exposition?
Because it was rushed and Genndy just threw it out there. It felt like an episode that was sliced and spliced to meet the time deadline.

Either you do it right or don't do it at all. A happy ending would have worked just the same if not better than what we got and the rules it applies to time travel are just inconsistent and bs.

>>92568938
More like a month or two, though I have no idea how long it would take to go from Africa/India/Greece/England to Japan by boat.

>>92569618
Unalaq pls

>>92573683
That would have torn my fucking heart out.

>>92573731
Does that matter? The grandfather paradox should, theoretically, stop Jack from returning too.

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>>92573744
He got a second shot at Aku.

All it cost him was his sanity (nearly), buckets of blood, years of agony, years of shame, years of struggle, many sweet and meaningful friendships, and the one woman he had ever loved.

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>>92574678
>the one woman he had ever loved
Truly a tragic loss

>>92570929
>The appearance of a Ladybug heralds a time of luck in which our wishes begin to be fulfilled. Higher goals and new heights are now possible. Worries begin to dissipate. New happiness comes about. This insect also cautions not to try to hard or go to fast to fulfill our dreams. Let things flow at their natural pace. In the due course of time, our wishes will all come true.

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>>92572298
Would had been even better if it was an hour like the original starting episodes, a perfect bookend.

>Part 1
>All of Jack's surviving allies engage in massive battle against Aku and completely perish (adding weight to their sacrifice), but in the process aid in freeing Jack, who slaps Ashi out of her possession by declaring his love to her
>Ashi learns to open time portal to the past
>Aku chases Jack and Ashi through the portal to stop them from killing weaker past Aku
>"Go get em', Jack", as the Scotsman fades away among the devastation

Part 2
>The three arrive at point when past Aku teleports past Jack to the future
>Future Aku merges with confused past Aku to become Aku Prime
>Conjures up massive armies and hellish monsters to fight Jack and Ashi
>Battle rages out of the lair
>Aku Prime is defeated and slain for good
>Ashi feels the effects of Aku's death. Jack questions if they could continue living as long as Aku's blood is in her
>Ashi compels Jack that they can still live together. She declares that she loves Jack too.
>Heartfelt embrace

Part 3/Epilogue
>The Empire rebuilds
>Jack and Ahsi in engagement to throw Jashifags a bone
>Marriage plays out like in the finale with Ashi's delayed time paradox
>Jack struggles to come to terms the cessation of existence of Ashi and possibly all the surviving friends he made in the future
>Jack is reminded by his father about how the future is not set in stone, that despite languishing for many decades in the future he still has a full life ahead of him in the present to chart a course in.
>Jack is still unsure
>Wanders to the cherry blossom tree like in the finale and is reminded by the ladybug that it's not the end, but a new beginning
>Credits roll over panning traditional Japanese wall murals depicting Jack's adventures in the future
>Jack's young son (implying Jack has found new love) plays with a wooden sword against the backdrop of the mural, just as young Jack did in the very first episode

>End

>>92568205
the point he fucked up was when Ashi created a portal

>>92569970
not like this...
not like this.

>>92575232
the point he fucked up was when he created Ashi

>>92563532
>Asks would you prefer that Jack stayed in the future.
>Makes the answer for yes to that question a no in the poll.
What?

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>>92563532
What was the point of the Scotsman and the scene in the earlier episode dedicated to him?

It feels like he should have been more important but all he does is show up, banters a bit, and then things continue

He could have basically been removed and things would have been exactly the same

That's what really bothers me. The characters didn't feel like they had weight. But as the viewer, they're all you know. And then Jack goes to the past and they're just gone? That's what really kills it. People don't mind Jack went to the past, they mind that all the weight of his actions in the future and the weight of the actions of the Scotsman and other friends meant nothing.

>>92563532
Shoul've stayed in the future and had a real final battle, too bad genndy is such a hack that he started killing jack's allies in the "final battle" so retards would think going back to the past was the only choice

>>92575318
Did you miss the part where the Scotsman's magic was all that stood between Aku and everyone else, giving Jack time to fight?

>>92575318
It was so he could die and be a ghost

>>92572096
Ashi still wouldn't be alive in the future because he died in the past.
He's been written into a true end hole.

>>92570119
Erasure from history is not the same as genocide.

It simply replaces a line of people with a different line of people. There is barely any pain so there isn't even much of suffering to begin with. The only tragic fact is that Jack is the only one left to remember them, but it was also an expected outcome of his very mission.

where's the mega, Ma'am?

>>92575406
The true tragedy of death isn't the suffering it brings, but the potential to affect the world the loss of a life prevents. Erasure is just a more thorough version of that tragedy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJhgwxSTHDs

Post music to go with the ending.

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>>92563532

>Help people of the future by undoing their existence altogether

Samurai Jack makes Adolf Hitler look like a minor tyrant.