impromptu Wonder Woman storytime

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(Central Standard Time)

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Some people get really #triggered by this scene, but calm down, this is the only even slightly misandrist thing in this entire run.

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I suppose the Hercules sequence can be seen as misandrist.

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It's more meant to show that the Amazons became corrupted by war and thus why they had to be exiled for failing the gods.

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Byrne apparently really likes this scene because it redrew it a dozen times in his run.

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I know he also likes this scene, for obvious reasons.

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>>92523552
Ares:
>I want to fuck that race

>>92523361
Hey Tex.

Gee, I can't possibly imagine what prompted this sudden need to post one of Diana's most well known runs...

Come on, man. Don't let the shitposting casuals get to you.

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Perez later had Herc get a redemption arc. Byrne got really butthurt and had Herc go "lol just kidding"

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>>92523690
If I can get even one person to give this run a chance, it'll be good.

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This isn't a replacement for the regular storytime, just finished my night's business early.

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But also I've been thinking about this run again and wanted to read it.

The only part of these first 24 issues that's not top notch is the fight with Decay.

You storytimed this already so I'm just going to say two things before I go to bed:

1. Beacon Hill does not look like that at all.

2. I thought it was pathetic how much help Diana needed to save the day, and in the end she won because her magic lasso fixes everything instead of because of her wits or fists.

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I wanted to stress that the Amazons were banished BECAUSE they made war. Someone in another thread made a good post about how the DC Amazons were created specifically as a subversion of the historical ones but I lost it.

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>>92523762
Can't argue with that. I think the intention was to show how useful and important the lasso is but it does feel like deus ex machina. Same thing happens in Year One and it's not very satisfying.

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>>92523762
Also g'night, anon.

>>92523691
As loathe as I am to be "fair" to Byrne, Herc's redemption came just a might too easy for most folks. Ages under the island aside, this kind of thing really needs screen time to be narratively satisfying.

>>92523714
Fair enough. Between the movie and Injustice 2, the shitposting is going to be like a fuckin' tidal wave. Gird thy loins.

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>>92523867
Yeah, in a long past thread some gave their opinion on Herc's redemption which is contrived. I can see both sides of it are valid and I'm not even sure which I agree with.

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Also the short boardwide meltdown after first reactions to the movie came in was hilarious.

If the movie is indeed as good as people say, that and the largely negative reaction I've seen to Injustice Diana, even from people who prefer that more "warrior" side to her, give me some hope for people here warming up to her more.

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Menalippe is kind of like Martian Manhunter, or Deanna Troi in that her shtick is basically reading minds/the future and then immediately being incapacitated.

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Fun fact: though the Amazons call this The Flashing Thunder, the official military name for the test when they test her at the airforce base is "bullets and bracelets".

Bump for interest. Never read any WW, is this a good start?

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Why is she so perfect?

>>92523817
That was probably me, I've been repeating that a lot lately.

Again, the original Amazons were created by the Greeks essentially as anti-female propaganda. A kind of cautionary tale about what would happen if those wily women got any kind of power.

Our old buddy William and his wives thought that was every bit the disgusting neckbeard pile of whoreshit it is, and so made the DC Amazons the rough opposite of the Greek Amazons. Kind, compassionate, distrustful of men sure, but only because they had suffered the indignities of the ancient world's rampant misogyny. They held arms only for self defense, not to make war, cause war only ever brought them misery.

What's consistently annoying is that despite this being one of the most dirt simple concepts ever, people keep missing the fucking point!

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>>92524072
It's THE perfect start!

>>92524072
it's the post-COIE origin

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>>92524090
Good post. It's sad that the only thing people are aware of in terms of Golden Age Wondie is "wasn't she made by some sorta sex pervert?"

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One of the retroactively disliked aspects of this run is that Perez made Steve Trevor a much older man, and thus was no longer a love interest for Diana.

This is probably the single biggest reason why Steve is still seen today as "uninteresting" and is no longer so closely associated with Wonder Woman.

>>92523948
>even from people who prefer that more "warrior" side to her
In a way, Injustice may have done us a favor. Regime Wonder Woman is so aggressively obnoxious, that even people who just wanted generic warrior woman are getting turned of by this portrayal.

>>92524062
>top panels
Diana is cute. CUTE!

>>92524050
Never ceases to amaze me how nerdy the military gets.

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Whereas Lois Lane got a great revamp inspired by both her Golden Age incarnation and the 1978 movie, Steve only got this.

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>>92524177
>Regime Wonder Woman is so aggressively obnoxious, that even people who just wanted generic warrior woman are getting turned of by this portrayal.
Lmao, very true.

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>>92524210
This statue of Artemis is actually a classic fixture of Paradise Island going back to the Golden Age.

>>92524132
Good old double standards strike again, as nobody ever holds it against Batman that he was created by a repugnant crook.

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>>92524237
Hey, if people can wake up to the greatness of Finger, I hope they can wake up to how interesting a man Marston was.

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Unexpectedly Hermes later becomes a very important character.

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We Raiders of the Lost Ark now

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>all of Ares other kids are major villains in this run
>Harmonia gets shit on repeatedly

>>92523691
Well I mean is hard to redempt a character for being abusive and misoginistic in an iconic feminist series.

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>severe storm warning
Fuck off, weather, I'm trying to chill

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Athena is always showing up to ask for more favors.

>>92523714
>>92524411
And apparently a rapist. Didn't reach that part.

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In Rebirth Rucka reimagined Phobos and Deimos as some sort of gay twins or something?

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Berger is one of the most based human beings in DC's history

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>>92524456
You'd think Byrne would like him then! :^)

Tex, I'm curious for your opinion on something.

You know how people often say Diana is the unfitting third wheel of the Trinity? So here's why that's bullshit. Clark is the bright optimist, Bruce is the dark pessimist, so logically, this should mean that Diana is the mediator, yeah? Except, in practice, no, this doesn't happen. Which is especially baffling given she's her homeland's ambassador, meaning sorting out conflicts is literally her job.

So, got any thoughts on why writers don't do this even though it's staring them right in the face?

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>>92524518
I used to think the same thing about Diana, but honestly I see it kind of differently now.

Clark is an optimist but still believes strongly in justice, that criminals should pay for their crimes. He sees the good in people but also the darkness.

Diana is the one who truly believes in and loves all people, even villains.

So in my mind, Clark is the one who would be the mediator there: he is hopeful like Diana, but understands the necessity of violence like Bruce.

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Despite that, a lot of writers do give a lot of lip service to the idea of Diana as the diplomat or ambassador, the one who sees both sides. But I don't think they follow through with it at all. A really good example is early on in Injustice (which someone was posting the other day) Diana usually starts an encounter by trying to talk, as if the writer wanted to show that she's diplomatic, but ultimately she jumps straight to whipping out the sword when diplomacy fails.

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I think that that's because it's harder to write a superhero who solves problems through alternative means and easy to write them having big fights.

And OK, it's a comic book, so sometimes you gotta have big fights.

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BTW if Julia and her daughter Nessia don't become beloved characters to you by the end of this run, you might not have a soul.

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Anyway, in one sense Diana is the diplomat, because she wants both sides to be happy and understand each other. But in another sense I don't think her mentality falls right in between Superman and Batman like many say, I see her more as a third point on a triangle.

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That's why I think she DOES indeed fit in the trinity, and that she isn't the same as Superman.

>>92524497
He didn't rape any kids, tho.

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I say it over and over again but I think people confuse both Superman and Wonder Woman being nice as being the same. Obviously there's not as clear of a dichotomy as there is between Superman and Batman (dark and light, day and night, peanut butter and jelly) but she does indeed have a different viewpoint than Superman.

Think of Superman as the "antifa" people or whatever liberal protest group is big right now, and Diana as a classic hippie.

>>92524575
>>92524619
Joe Casey's Adventures of Superman run had Clark not throw a single punch, he wrote him as a pacifist. I wonder if someone could do the same with Wonder Woman.

strapped in.
thanks OP

>>92524674
My problem with the Trinity is less about differences between him and her and more the fact that he and Bruce are so much closer and more important to each other. I can't see what she adds to the Worlds Finest dynamic.

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However, one thing that IS true that people say about Diana's role in the trinity is that she definitely 100% is what holds the three together. Her boundless love makes it hard to stay mad at someone when she's in the room.

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>>92524726
Jimenez said that's what he wanted to do with his run. I really want Jimenez to have another shot, at the very least as a co-writer or a plotter.

>>92524741
Thanks for reading, anon

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>>92524750
I agree for the most part. They're true bros in every sense. I think Diana does have something to add to a trinity and certainly to the League as a whole. But honestly? You just can't beat Superman/Batman.

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As some folks in my threads have pointed out, writers do try to push Superman and Wonder Woman as being these great friends, but it always feels forced. They're friends, but don't seem any closer than they are to anyone else on the League.

>>92524606
>>92524619
See, I reject the idea that it's harder to do that. A good writer can add tension to a conversation, and keep it from getting stale by adding variation. A ticking clock, hostages, etc. Even the Injustice example is acceptable, just have her at least try to take a foe down. Hell, have try and negotiate during the fight if you really need an action scene.

Every time I hear "But that's haaaaard!", I can't help but think that's the laziness and creative bankruptcy taking.

>>92524632
Nessie is like Diana's Jimmy Olsen, but with sober discussions of women's issues and a Boston accent. It's pretty great.

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And IMO, I do like Diana being perceived as a little bit of a stick in the mud, it gives her a character flaw. Though she can definitely have fun from time to time.

Superman is the friendliest guy ever. So I think that's an aspect that differentiates the two.

>>92524800
Yeah I will say that having her in that extra book is ultimately not a bad thing, even if Trinity has never had a great run. Still the potential for something there.

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FED KILLA

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>>92524841
And silly Byrne tried to replace her with Cassie.

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Trust me, Nessie will become best daughterfu eventually.

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You can actually tell the exact point in Byrne's run where he actually reads Perez's run, because suddenly Decay shows up, Diana saves Cheetah through the power of friendship, and he even has a part where he just straight up recaps the entire run and spells out Diana's powers.

>>92524081
The new reader here. I'm liking how this is starting. The gun caught me off guard, that's the sign I'm reading something good. Is she gonna become more mature as the run goes on? She just looks so happy in here, it's weird not seeing her pissed off.

>>92524726
Morrison did that in Trial. Earth One pisses me off because it keeps forcing me to praise Morrison when I usually can't stand him.

He said there would be no fighting in it, and he stuck to his guns. Stop making me respect you, you Scottish fuck. Goddamn.

>>92524826
The issue is that they keep ignoring their backgrounds. Diana is a princess, Clark is a farm boy, Bruce is a trust fund baby. A good first step is to decide how these three would get along.

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>>92524966
She definitely grows throughout the run, but handles things more maturely instead of getting more angry. You see her form her ideology on peace challenged by man's world, but she comes out with a stronger belief.

Rucka's run had her a bit more angry and stoic, which some of us speculate might have been intentional to show her being a bit fed up with Athena's shit.

The subplot with the gun has a great payoff.

>>92523691

I agree with Byrne. Perez had Herakles rape and enslave Queen Hippolyta and her amazons, but then later redeemed and had Queen Hippolyta lusting for his godly dick? What the hell.

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>detected possible malicious code in image file
That's what we get for speaking ill of Morrison, he sicks the Gentry on us.

>>92524996
I feel like Earth One has so many good ideas that they actually all overshadow each other. I'm hoping when he gets done with volume 2 in 2027 it gives things more room to breathe.

Also another issue is that when they DO look at their backgrounds, they look at Diana and say "warrior" instead of what Themyscira is actually like.

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To bring up Byrne again for the 80th time, he starts his run with that "she's a warrior so she does this this and this" bullshit but eventually realizes that's not true.

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I've been reading all these old usenet threads about what people thought of Byrne's run at the time so it's been on my mind.

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Admittedly this issue isn't that good. Decay is an incredibly boring villain but you need something for Diana to fight in the first act.

>>92524996
Oh yeah, forgot about Earth One. I mostly meant an entire run, because giving her one story where she's a pacifist is easy, but a whole run? Not as easy, and I'd like to see someone try.

>>92524172

Perez did that because he wanted to make SM/WW a thing, which is seriously don't get it. You just introduced the myth of Herakles wrecking the amazons and made it so much worse than it already was, so why do you want to have WW lusting for the world most powerful man precisely because of said powers?

Ever heard of the OG he wanted to do back in the time where SM and WW would have a one night stand?

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>>92525189
Obviously there's a bunch of fighting in Simone's run but for most of it conflicts are decided diplomatically which I love.

And when she is in full Dragon Ball Z fighting mode, it's an important plot point that she's being pushed to her moral limit.

>>92524177
>>92524210

Yeah, that's the silver-lining. People are complaining in Youtube comment sections featuring the cinematic of the game about how much they dislike crazy dictator and kryptonian cock-hungry WW.

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Decay also has Twizzlers for hair

>>92525197
>SM and WW would have a one night stand?
Maybe fighting Darkseid was a metaphor for sex?

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Superheroes saving people is always satisfying to me.

A common modern thing (fucking mentioning Byrne's run AGAIN) is having people get killed by the villain to show what they're capable of, I hate that. I like superheroes because I DON'T want innocent people getting murdered, dammit!

>>92525115
I hate to sound like I'm digging for stuff to bitch about, but they usually end up fucking up the 'warrior' part too. I missed the part where "warrior" meant "bloodthirsty asshole who's always pissed off and looking for an excuse to beat people up". I thought warriors were supposed be all about discipline, honor, protecting the weak, all that good shit. But then we have shit like Kingdom Come and Johns Justice League where she's looking down on ordinary citizens for being weaklings. What a fuckin' crock.

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I can't remember if I read this in a post here or in an interview but apparently a theme of Rucka's run was supposed to be Diana struggling with the morality of killing monsters. Athena does tell her that it's cool to kill Medusa and others because they're monsters, but she was supposed to deal more with whether that was really OK.

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>>92525303
Agreed, but also we all know that too often writers extrapolate "discipline" and other positive aspects of the word "warrior" into horsehockey like "understands the necessity of war". Again, BYRNE, will I ever stop talking about Byrne tonight?

>>92524750
>>92524800

That's because DC put a lot of effort into maintaining the World's Finest relationship since it do wonders to both character. They'd never let another character mess that dynamic.

I don't know how the Flash has been teaming with Batman so much lately.

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>Scar, help me brother!
>Long live the king

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>Even in a world quite given to hyperbole, I assure you she lives up to the name

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Etta being jealous of Diana is definitely NOT MUH ETTA but it is what it is

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Julia is 1337

>>92525237

>Maybe fighting Darkseid was a metaphor for sex?

No, Texas anon. I mean in WW having casual sex with SM and then feeling disappointed he's not a god in the sack like he is everything else. I'll try to find his interview.

>>92525189
A whole run? A fascinating challenge that would be. I want it.

Sorry to dump fanfic on you all, but I've had an idea brewing for a while. It's basically The Superior Foes of Wonder Woman. Basically, it's mostly about a bunch of the lesser Wonder Rogues just going about their days, with Diana herself taking on more of a supporting role, hovering over their shoulders as they try, and mostly fail, to go straight. I think that could probably go all the way through without a brawl.

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The "Ares Project" is only slightly less dumb of a name than the "SEAR Group"

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Letters!

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>>92525542
Goddammit that is dumb. I expect that shit from Byrne, not Perez.

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>>92525548
That would be excellent; Angle Man, Giganta, Blue Snowman, and I dunno, maybe the THEM! trio from yesterday's Agent Diana Prince storytime?

>>92525224
Skimming through Casey's run, I kinda feel like doing a 100% pacifist run with Wondy may not be doable? I dunno, it's just that some of the stories Casey wrote don't really lend themselves well to WW's kind of storytelling (Heroville, Funky Flashman, the Mxy Twins), that kind of off-kilter meta stuff has always been Supes' territory since the Silver Age.

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>>92525643
Also this is the cover to the first trade, which I don't understand because there are so many phenomenal covers in this arc alone.

Maybe it was to get that lucrative tentacle porn demographic

>>92525413
Maybe there should be less emphasis on the Trinity altogether. Have Diana hang out with the other Leaguers. The ones that immediately come to mind are Arthur and Billy. She and Arthur could talk politics and foster relations between their respective nations, and Billy could have a cool big sister figure.

Hell, people responded quite positively to her interactions with Lex, and liked that she was always keeping him honest by encouraging good behavior.

Does she ever even talk to Victor, ever?

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>Mr. Bones' Wet n Wild Ride

>>92525652
Maybe if it went back to the weird little girl focused stories of the 50's and early 60's, but they were still quite different in tone from Superman's.

>>92524497
Finished issue #2.
I'm wondering, what are the esential differences between pre crisis Trevor, this Trevor and current Trevor? Also, can somebody tell me why is Byrne a pervert?

>>92525698

Nobodies talk to Victor.

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>>92525698
There were a couple of great crossovers with Wonder Woman during PAD's run. I think they work well together. Well, when they're not fighting and banging in Flashpoint world.

Diana is rife with team-up potential, especially with villains since she's so big on reform and helping her villains.

>>92525413

>I don't know how the Flash has been teaming with Batman so much lately.

Johns loves that they're both detectives even though Barry isn't really...

remember j'onn

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>>92525721
The original Steve was literally a pastiche of Captain America, meant to show young boys that you can be manly and macho while still showing appreciation for the fairer sex.

In the 60's he was just kind of generic brave guy. You know how Lois Lane at the time was basically just eternally trying to trick Superman into marrying her? It was kind of like that, with Steve being in love with Wonder Woman but not noticing Diana in her secret identity.

Post-Crisis I feel like Perez got him closer to being a Captain America type of guy, but he's older and pushed further back as a supporting character so he doesn't get much screen time.

As for John Byrne, he's just John Byrne. Extremely weird man who happens to be pretty talented.

>>92525643
Funny you mention Giganta, cause I was kinda toying with the idea of her being the viewpoint character. The series would be called Villainy Incorporated, after the old school name for when Wonder Rogues teamed up en masse. Doris would get a legit job at Veronica Cale's company, along with several other rogues (ever noticed a lot of them are scientists?) and it's basically a work-com with super villains.

>>92525721
>why is Byrne a pervert?
Hoo boy, this is why we need a compilation image. I'd do it myself but I'm too lazy and I feel like I'd miss something anyway.

Long story short, Byrne has an unnerving obsession with underage girls, having written stuff like an older Superman kissing a teenage girl (in a non canon story, thankfully), in addition to other pervy stuff like having Superman and fellow heroine Big Barda shoot a fucking porno while mind controlled (that one actually WAS canon)

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>The Ares "Assault"
In which Ares is drawn into a legal scandal after sexually harassing a coworker

>>92525795

no one has made steve interesting to me but i did like perez's older dude.

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>>92525802
That sounds like a fantastic idea, seriously.

Simone made me love Giganta.

>>92525807
Any compilation image would end up past the filesize limit

Hey Texas Anon.
Up late tonight?

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>>92525837
I think he has the potential but no one has done it quite right yet.

I found the idea of him working for ARGUS in the New 52 somewhat interesting but they proceeded to do nothing with it except make him generic spy man

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>>92525858
Had family gathering. Just noticed it's 1 AM already, jesus.

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BTW, sweater Diana will never not be adorable to me.

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>>92525807
>It's a "12 year old is pregnant, I checked" Byrne issue.

Inb4 "Images in a storytime!" Texas can shill Wonder Woman all he wants, it won't help the June 2nd flaming bag of turds one iota.

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>>92525887
Oh god I read From Hell the other night and this is giving me flashbacks of Chapter 4

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>>92525899
Love you too, anon.

>>92525699
One idea is to try and redeem her villains, but the problem there is that if it doesn't work, she HAS to get physical, and if it does work, she runs out of villains, so you're forced to introduce more villains and then you end up with the same problems, which is why I've never been a fan of the whole "Diana should have a run where she goes around trying to redeem her villains".

>>92525731
It really bothers me that Themyscira and Atlantis have never had any kind of thing going on. I mea shit, Diana even has a rogue from Atlantis, Queen Clea. Just use her as an excuse for them to team up.

And yeah, she's friendly enough to have her just kinda hang out with anyone.

>>92525744
Eh, don't worry about J'onn. He's in the 31st century getting stinking rich building stargates.

>>92525581

Here it is:

http://www.cbr.com/comic-legends-superman-wonder-woman-nearly-had-a-one-night-stand/

Since the link is littered with pics of SM/WW i'll post the pertinent part here:

>George Perez had other ideas. In 1990, when he was still writing the “Wonder Woman” comic book series, he discussed the idea in the Amateur Press Association fanzine “TitanTalk”. Here is Perez…

>Also on my Wonder Woman agenda is a one-shot prestige format book tentatively titled “Rendezvous”, and it is a romance story with Diana and Superman to be edited by Karen. It will, at last, really deal with the physical relationship between these two popular characters. In other words, they do it. Due to the nature of the story, I will probably be using the Gods as a means of allowing the reader his or her option to regard or disregard this tale as part of DC continuity. I have no intention of treating this story sensationally, but there are definitely some mature themes I’ll wish to explore.

>Recently, at this year’s Dragoncon, during a Wonder Woman panel, Perez restated that he had started on plans for a one-shot graphic novel along those lines, but it didn’t end up materializing. At the Dragoncon panel, Perez seemed to insinuate that it might have been because his view was that Wonder Woman was going to be a bit underwhelmed, considering that she was expecting practically a god and he noted that DC was a bit wary about making Superman look bad.

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>>92525916
You earned my distaste with your forced storytimes in movie threads, asshat.
I have nothing against general Storytimes.

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>>92525919
Her best villains are unredeemable, which I think makes great conflict, because you have Diana truly believing to the last that she can help them, but they just push her too far. Dr. Psycho and Circe are good examples, and Jimenez did a great fight with Circe where she tries so hard to talk Circe down.

>>92525863
His role isn't any different from Nemesis in the Heinberg WW except the latter being a master of disguise, which shows how absolutely unnecessary the character type is in the modern WW books.

>>92525946
>he noted that DC was a bit wary about making Superman look bad
Also, wasn't Superman kind of... engaged to Lois by 1990?

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>>92525946
>vomiting anime girl.png

>>92525948
I'm sorry for that, anon. I'll stop that.

>>92525948
>movie threads
No big loss then, dunno why you're so butthurt.

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>>92525977

Yeah... that didn't stopped writers back then from showing them wanting to fuck each other, as creepy as might look. Pic related.

>>92525946
I kind of wonder what might have happened if we didn't have the weird permavirgin thing for so long with her

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>>92525941
To be fair most of Themyscira's existence has been sealed off in another dimension and Atlantis is pretty insular, but there's no reason they shouldn't interact now, both being seats of magic.

>>92525989
Then I too will trouble you no more.
>>92525998
Crashing threads is rudeness. There's a perfectly fine Hide button, or you can join the discussion, but imagedumping is shit.

>>92525863

someone should try sticking him and rick flagg together. there's some stuff there, good foils

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>>92526014
Fuck's sake.

>>92526021
Once again bringing up motherfucking Byrne's run, I was surprised when Diana brings up that she's waiting for "the first man to know my love" or something like that. I totally forgot she was basically a virgin if lesbian stuff doesn't count

>>92525843
Doris is honestly my second favorite Wonder Rogue, after Circe of course. She has an absurd amount of potential, especially after Simone fleshed her out a bit.

What needs to happen is a greater emphasis on her mad scientist status. Have her use all manner of crazy gadgets while being huge. She could be a non-shit version of Relic.

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>>92526069
>World's Finest Stoic Soldier Dudes

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>>92526075
Size-changing is the most underrated power. Simone knew this, and for more than just fetish reasons!

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Also there's an unbelievably cringey page where Diana friendzones Byrne's Jewish Steve Trevor substitute, and another where she lusts over Herc disguised as Champion because he forcefully made out with her.

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Jewish Steve calls Diana out and is like "oh you don't like me because I'm not a big macho asshole like Champion!" and Diana fucking goes "the heart wants what it wants".

>>92526081

to make it work you'd have to captain america Trevor somehow i think. there's def an ww2 idealism vs post-70s cynicism thing

>>92526070
I feel the island lesbian stuff is kind of icky in the context of them all raising her like a niece. But unless you add in other kids you can't really get around that I guess.

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More letters!

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>>92526136
>there's def an ww2 idealism vs post-70s cynicism thing
Absolutely this, Cap works easily because he's a "relic", Steve is harder to sell as that kind of guy because he's in the modern age.

Supposedly the movie relationship is good, so hopefully that endears some writers enough to do something interesting with them.

>>92526069
>>92526081
There needs to be a general team up book again, like the old Brave and the Bold

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>>92526142
It does have a weird connotation but technically not EVERYONE on the island would be that close to Diana as a kid, since there's over 3,000 Amazons and she lived there for "only" 22 years.

She could have met Mala and she was like "Diana? Oh, I've never heard of you" and Diana was like "How cool is that!"

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>>92526176
I'd even be fine with another fucking Batman book if it helped spotlight all the other characters in the DCU. The last Batman issue with the Swamp Thing teammup was great.

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Diana needs to shave :^)

>>92526204

>and she lived there for "only" 22 years.

this is weirder to me than her being immortal actually.

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>>92526235
It's a common point of contention between Wonder Woman fans, so you're not alone.

>>92526219

Another Brave and the Bold with Batman teaming up with DCU characters would be nice. I liked WW appearances in the original BatB comic, specially during the powerless era.

>>92526219
Heck, now would be the perfect time since they no longer seem to be adhering to the "every book in the N52 has to take place in the same general time" thing that they failed horribly at back in 2011

>>92526088
Aside from her giantess fetish (which is about as subtle as Rebecca Sugar's shortstack fetish), I think what really drew Gail to Doris is that she's always been Diana's token "not actually all that evil" villain. Doris's crimes are usually just robberies, property destruction-chump change by super villain standards. And that makes it easy to give a less hostile relationship with her superhero. She can be more morally complex, sympathetic, which means delicious character development.

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>>92526253
Her BatB appearance is gonna be in my next storytime when I continue the secret agent era.

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>>92526279
Exactly. Makes me wanna read All-New Atom again

>>92526204
Yeah I guess I shouldn't say the idea doesn't work at all but the specific execution does need to "fix" the problem there.

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>Will you fight? Or will you perish like a dog?

How do you feel about Gateway City, Texas? Personally, I like it in an ironic, oh-how-cute-is-Byrne's-autism kinda way. I mean, the man just HAD to give Wondy her own fictional city, didn't he? And it's even based on a Golden Age DC city to boot!

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>>92526296
I think the way Legend of Wonder Woman did it with some immortals and some kids was a good compromise.

>>92524974
Finished number 3. Can Nessie be both daughterfu and regular waifu?

>>92526292
Man artists really loved that fading out of existence thing.

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>>92526318
Byrne seriously tries to give it its own character like Metropolis and Gotham but he just couldn't do it.

Also the fact that every fucking time he shows it it's CGI for some goddamn reason.

Gateway City: America's First CGI City!

Boston at least comes with a history, and it's not New York or LA.

Ok, going to sleep. Thanks for sharing Tex, I will keep reading tomorrow, really liking my first Wonder Woman read.

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>>92526325
Yes but not till she's 18.

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>>92526350
Thanks for reading anon, I'm really glad you're enjoying it!

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Again, I get what Perez was going for here with a non-violent solution/reformation. But it kind of comes off like "Dr Doom crying over 9/11"

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And like really, did he never once think "oh wait, if everyone kills each other there will be no more war"?

Ares is so fucking cool in this. What a great villain.

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Letterz
I love reading the letters, they're like a glimpse back in time.

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>>92526428
I'm a big fan of his design. Some don't like it and I get why, but I think he looks really cool and warlike without being a fucking joke like the latter redesigns of the gods.

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Last one of this arc and great issue all around.

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Forgive me for using an overused meme word, but my favorite parts of this run are the "comfy" issues like this that involve Diana getting to hang out with Nessie and Julia.

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Also it goes without saying but Perez's Olympus is amazing.

>>92526318
>>92526348
I actually kinda like the idea of her being more worldly, and it's yet another thing I wish they'd play up.

I fact, one of the movie ads has an interesting tagline.
>Metropolis has Superman
>Gotham has Batman
>And now, The World will have... Wonder Woman
Not gonna lie, I dig that.

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It's weird to see Zeus not being quite that big of a prick as he'll be later on.

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Lewd?

Diana actually spends a strange amount of time naked in this run.

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Which I like, thematically, because I see her as a bit of a hippie chick.

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>>92526488
I've never heard that before, not bad.

>>92526404
To be fair, the mythological Ares was a huge pussy.

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ACKSHOOULLY, the Amazons were born from the clay on the bottom of the lake, not the water itself. Does canon mean nothing to these people?

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>>92526526
>Athena was a more hardcore war god than Ares
Fucking Greeks man

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And Diana's casual Themysciran outfit is also adorable.

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That's the power of love

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Introducing Myndi Mayer, turbobitch and proud of it.

Interesting that Wondy takes Ares' "charge" so seriously. I might almost say the idea of Ares as a kind of dark mentor to Diana (which some people criticized Azzarello for) has some of its roots here.

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>>92526575
He's basically the inverse of Diana in every way, but Diana could easily become his follower if she gave into the warrior roots of the Amazons.

Which is why it's so disturbing when people stress that she's a warrior or have her banging her sword on her fucking shield. It's the opposite of what she stands for, and becoming that is her worst nightmare.

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Best daughterfu

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Well there's a reference that's unfortunate in retrospect.

>>92526571
I wonder what Myndi pissed off Perez back in the day

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The Ms. magazine there is a reference to Wonder Woman being on the cover of the very first issue of Gloria Steinem's Ms. Though the cover didn't actually look like that.

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>>92526616
Mindy Newell
Not really
At least I hope not

>>92526571
Oh Myndi. You think anyone would ever bring her back? Or would that be inappropriate?

>>92526575
>criticized
Pretty sure people loved that. Hell, I hate Azzarello's run, and even I liked the mentor Ares idea.

>>92526616
WW's supporting cast has always been Bitches, Lesbians and Beta-males. At least Post-Marston.

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And we end with cliffhanger for a certain villain.

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>>92526655
How are Julia and Nessie lesbians? Or are they bitches?

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That's all for tonight.

Dropbox with all my Wondie comics:
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/rwqrasp45cfsxu9/AACi5mhCeheYFvp-L9juE0t5a?dl=0

Wonder Woman storytimes:
>>92488144

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G'night, y'all.

>>92526599
>He's basically the inverse of Diana in every way,
Perez era Ares is a 7' Marvin the Martian cartoon character. Calling him one-dimensional would be giving him too much credit.
He's literally a walking "MWAHAHAHA!"

>>92526685
Thanks for posting, Tex.

Honestly, I think you may actually be doing some amount of good here. More and more people have been speaking out against bad portrayals of Diana, and there's been significant pushback against shitposting and casual bullshit. Keep it up, dude.

>>92526693
Sweet dreams, possible son of Pecos Bill.

>>92527983

>>92524874
Seriously, that doesn't look like Beacon Hill at all.

>>92526543
Well, we mainly have Athens' word for it right.

>>92526765
Probably a coincidence but it's been nice seeing how many people seem to get the character lately compared to how it used to be.