What's the difference between a cool reference and

>>92515007
What is this

>>92515007
A good reference is something that STILL WORKS, even if the audience does not get it.

>>92515031
tmnt 2012

>>92515007
The viewer

>>92515007
Nostalgia pandering is the one you don't like. It's like the difference between ripoff and homage.

>>92515007
Whoever it appeals too. If it's you, it's BASED and GOAT, if it's other people, it's lame.

>>92515132
Pretty much SPBP, if it's a throwback to the original that's both great for the fans of the old but good enough if you're brand new and never saw the origins and you still laugh/get excited when it happens.

Pandering is literally just for their sake, not the plot or the joke or even the scene, a cool reference is seamless.

I don't get it

>>92515173
this!

same applies to what counts as homage/parody and rip-off. all up to the viewer.

though you know you've done bad when the wiki outright calls you out for pandering when even the live-action movies get props for doing it.

>>92515007
When you can tell it tries too hard.