https://twitter.com/m_giacchino/sta tus/865664095084662785

I'm impressed ngl.

Also the timing of this status post too...

What are the odds of the movie being good?

>>92514570
>First good thing to come out of this shit movie.

Brava.

Here it is over the Marvel logo
https://streamable.com/wtg20

>>92514622
Very VERY slim.

But normies will eat it up.

>>92514570
Man, if they actually use this it'd be great.

I'm going to be the contrarian. Relying on nostalgia to promote your 3rd reboot just seems kind of desperate.

Oh god that poor woman at the 15 second mark...

"I was supposed to be doing something with my life..."

>>92514622
Hard to say. When Marvel needs to prove themselves, they do great stuff. When they don't, they make Thor 2.

>>92514736
Do you know much people get paid to do shit like that? That's pretty much the big leagues.

>>92514622
At most? It'll be average. The trailers gave away all the beats of the film, and they look very predictable. I wouldn't be shocked if Cap has a larger cameo, but they gave it away with the video tape scene.

>>92514777
I'm not knocking the work, she just looks SO unhappy to be there

>>92514853
She could just be focusing.

>>92514753
Hopefully their mentality was "it's our main fucking character let's do this right" instead of "It's spidey, people will watch it regardless, let's play safe"

>>92514957
That's what I feel like they're going to do, and I'm approaching the changes as "They've seen this movie 100 times already," we owe them something different.

>>92514736
Hollywood's spending millions on dumb shit for centuries now. "Capeshit" is not any worse or better than the rest

>>92514853
When recording, most musicians typically look extremely focused when playing because A. what they put out will be heard by millions and thus is the work they will be judged on in a mainstream sense, and B. They don't have an audience to visually appeal to in that moment, and can focus on putting out the best sound possible at that given second.

This goes triply for orchestras.

>>92514957
They're clearly not. It looks more like an Iron Man movie than a Spider-Man movie.

Not to mention all the shit that made the comics good are nowhere to be seen.

>>92514622
it's MCU so 1,000,000,000%

>>92514570
no it's not stupid, that's them playing the old one for a gimmick, it's not actually the movie's OST

>>92515027
>more like an Iron Man movie
Fucking how? He shows up to tie plot threads together from Civil War and then he tells Peter to hang up the cowl. It's all about Peter's development and trying to prove himself a capable hero.

>>92514957
>"It's spidey, people will watch it regardless, let's play safe"
That's what I got from the trailer. Like, it looks like a less daring Spider-Man film.

>>92514570
Ok that actually got me more hyped than all the trailers/posters/clips combined

>>92514570
well at least the credit music will be good

>>92515096
>Main villain motive directly involves Stark Industries.

>Pepper Potts to return in this movie.

>Stark gets a new armor.

>Peter will have a JARVIS-like AI in his costume

>Peter constantly sucking up to Iron Man.

>>92515096
The film has Spider-Man being Spider-Man solely to impress Tony and the Avengers, while the Vulture wants to get Iron Man for putting his company out of business.

>>92514736

You must think that the smiling employees at McDonalds must REALLY love their jobs.

>>92515170
>Spider-Man solely to impress Tony and the Avengers

Of all the things that piss me off about MCU Spider-Man, this one pisses me off the most. It's so out of character for him.

>>92515191
>It's so out of character for him.
It's perfectly in-character for the MCU's spiderman, though.

>>92515191
How? Is it because he wants to impress Tony and the Avengers instead of the Fantastic Four?

>>92515154
>Pepper Potts to return in this movie.
Really?

>>92515233
Did you even read the comic you're referencing? Because it didn't go down the way you think it is. He thought the Fantastic Four was getting paid for their heroics, so he broke into the Baxter Building and beat the crap out of them in hopes that they'd be impressed with how tough he was, so he'd get a job. Then when he realized they didn't get paid he yelled at them and stormed off.

>>92514957
>Hopefully their mentality was "it's our main fucking character let's do this right" instead of "It's spidey, people will watch it regardless, let's play safe"
We're talking about the MCU here. And Disney, so don't kid yourself.

>>92515233
He wanted to impress the F4 by beating every single one of them in combatm (and he almost did)

Here he's acting like he wants daddy's aproval.

>>92515154
Vulture's business being put out of business by Stark's is just world building. The trailers make it seem like he couldn't care less about Stark himself.

Paltrow hasn't been seen on set and some literally who tabloid site was the only one to SPECULATE that she might return.

Stark gets a new armor literally every movie.

Pete has an AI in his costume? That's news to me. What's it do?

Iron Man is a billionaire playboy genius. What immature kid WOULDN'T want to be like Stark?

>>92515248
>https://moviepilot.com/p/pepper-potts-back-for-spider-man-homecoming-rumor/4235682

nothing will EVER top danny elfman.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qcJS_e2_hY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZcpzkwCTXs

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>>92514570
>https://twitter.com/m_giacchino/status/865664095084662785
>using 60s version instead of the 90s one
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFHi8TouPoU

>>92515191
What' annoying me is how Spider-Man is morphing more and more into the fan interpretation of the character. He's now there to be the Avengers suck up and constantly is the adorable screw up. He'll be retarded until the plot demands him to suddenly be super smart. At this point, people act like Iron Man being Peter's new Uncle Ben is a good thing. All the laughs, none of the heart.

Like, you remember when the first Avengers came out and there was a creepy subculture of fangirls who wanted Tony to impregnate Cap and then have Spider-Man as their baby they raise together? This Spider-Man feels like he is entirely made by that fan culture.

>>92515292
>Vulture's business being put out of business by Stark's is just world building. The trailers make it seem like he couldn't care less about Stark himself.

With all the other stuff including Tony, I'd beg to differ.

>Stark gets a new armor literally every movie.

But Spider-Man does not, in his own movie.

>Pete has an AI in his costume? That's news to me. What's it do?

http://www.blastr.com/2017-4-4/spider-man-homecoming-suit-adds-ai

>Iron Man is a billionaire playboy genius. What immature kid WOULDN'T want to be like Stark?

Peter Parker.

>>92515281
And Sony, don't forget Sony.

>>92515337
>This entire post.

Oh God. This is Tumblr's interpretation isn't it?

>>92515325
This. It's like First Class' Magneto's theme. It's too good and it's never used...

>>92514570
This is garbage. I'm sure those violinists were disgusted having to play such an awkward ugly melody

>>92514570
Was hoping someway somehow we'd get this theme back, it is a joint production after all.
But Danny Elfman's theme might not even be appropriate, after all Spider-Man (2002) is a movie, Spider-Man: Homecoming is a Marvel movie.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qcJS_e2_hY

>>92515248
Tony will fuck Aunt May.

Peter will hit back by fucking Pepper Potts.

>>92514570
This is likely for the Marvel Studios opening thing

>>92515230
Name one time a comic book movie that didn't respect the source material did good besides Men In Black.

>>92515333
I find it so strange how Marvel is so condescending of the 90's series, yet the 60's one is treated like a holy grail. I'd honestly have more a of a fan freak out if the 90's show was referenced over more of the constant 60's wanking.

It reminds of that video were they ask a bunch of people to sing the theme from any of the Marvel movies. The theme from the 60's Spiderman cartoon was the only Marvel related music most people remembered.

>>92515378
>MUH 4CHAN MEMES AND QUOTABILITY

tobey spidey sucks ass my man

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>>92514570
GET THIS FUCKING SMILE OFF MY FACE

>>92515417
Fuck that costume. It looks like ass.

>>92515368
They had a Tumblr name for the Steve/Tony/Peter family called like Superfamily or Spider-Family or something. There was fanart. It was absolute cringe because it was always Tony being the fun father and Steve being the caring father, and Peter always being the perfect son...

LIVING ON THE EDGE

FIGHTING CRIME, SPINNING WEBS

>>92515451
RADIOACTIVE SPIDER BLOOD!

>>92515401
Kingsmen.

>>92514570
Giarchinno is always based, a lot of his stuff just sounds like he's aping his LOST days but he's still my favorite mainstream movie composer

>>92515409
Honestly? I blame the fact that the popular themes are decades old and used everywhere. Like, if you asked them the Pirates of the Caribbean theme, would they know it?

>>92515401
Kingsman, every X-Men movie, Nolanbats

>>92514570
EWWWW garbage. wait a minute...I´m retarded! so i like it.

>>92515191
Literally one of the first issues of Spider-Man his him doing this with Fantastic Four

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>>92515438
>the spider logo is actually a spider tracer

HOW THE FUCK DID WE NOT SEE THIS SHIT COMING?

>>92515401
Movie Yondu is bssed while comic Yondu is lame.

>>92515490
>Like, if you asked them the Pirates of the Caribbean theme, would they know it?

Are you kidding? Of course they would. The soundtrack for that movie was God tier.

>>92515507
See
>>92515291
>>92515262
Also it's not one of the first. It was literally his first comic besides his origin mag

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>people complaining about Spidey licking Stark's boots when this movie has THE MOST OBVIOUS fucking arc of all time with Spidey learning to leave his shadow and become his own man

What's wrong with this dumbass board?

>the media could not be played
Bad sign.

>>92515333
to be fair, EVERYONE recognizes the 60's theme.

Only people that would recognize the 90's cartoon theme are people that watched it.

>>92515508
>Peter has the Spider Tracers gifted to him by Tony and doesn't actually make them himself

Literally why

>>92515507
>Fantastic Four
sorry, who?

>>92515515
It was god tier, but would they know it? The other ones they listed were so fucking obvious that everyone knows them, but I doubt they would know Pirates because it's not spammed everywhere like the other franchises.

>>92515590
They really like downplaying his intelligence for aome reason. I guess there are enough geniuses on the MCU huh.

>>92515481
I liked him on Super 8, but I don't know anything else he's scored

>>92515576
Because it's most likely that every future Spider-Man film will be a team up film and him humping the Avengers' leg.

>>92515590
because Pete was saving people in his underwear before Stark came into his life?

>>92514622
It's going to be good. But it's not going to be /co/ good primarily because of the casting choices and Michelle Juana.

>>92515590
>>92515634
Where would he get the money to make them? He doesn't have money in Homecoming and only has his "gadgets" for half the film

>>92515581
>Only people that would recognize the 90's cartoon theme are people that watched it.
Why is it that the 60's cartoons are so well known compared to some recent stuff? Like, how did a lame Justice League show define Aquaman as "Just speaks to fish"?

>>92515576
Because the heart of teenage Spider-Man was about a kid pretending to be a man and having to deal with paying for his aunt's medication, going to school, and being a super hero. It deep, relatable, and meaningful.

It isn't about a predictable plot of a kid learning to be his own person.

>>92515401

V for Vendetta, Guardians of the Galaxy, The Mask.

Well that was my feels.

Nice

>>92515613
I am willing to bet that they would.

>>92515401
Don't even need to look outside the MCU.
>Guardians of the Galaxy

>>92515416
>tobey spidey sucks ass my man
I didn't say it didn't. No Spider-Man movie has gotten the character right.
I'm speaking strictly about filmmaking.

>https://twitter.com/m_giacchino/status/865664095084662785
...it's an orchestral cover of the 1960s Spider-man theme? WTF?!

>>92515170
>The film has Spider-Man being Spider-Man solely to impress Tony
I remember how this kind of happened just before Civil War including Peter being Tony's personal fuccboi and mentor.

>>92515728
Which turned out to be a ruse by Tony so that he could preform experiments on Peter without his permission to make an army of Spider-Men.

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I love the 60s theme, but just using an orchestral version of it for your movie because you can't come up with something better than either it or 2002 Spider-Man theme is lazy

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>>92515716
>not knowing spider-man's theme
nigga just how old are you? 1?

>>92515758
And then they erased his memories and he became good again. Also the Green Goblin replaced him as director of SHIELD.

Comic Books, yo.

>>92515760
what's better than spider-man's theme for a spider-man movie?

shit bait

>>92515027
I can't wait until all the Iron Man stuff is only in the first 30 minutes of the movie and everyone finally shuts up about it.

>>92515666
Because the people who grew up watching those have been in positions of power to talk about it and to make references to it. Maybe another 10 years before viewers of the 90s show start hitting upper levels.

>>92515758
So, they're loosely adapting the source material just like how cape movies usually do. Gotcha.

>>92515760
Spider-Man fans are suckers for nostalgia. Don't look farther than "Pete should be in High School"

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>>92515760
nobody knows the 2002 theme. it's not timeless, it's fleeting and forgettable

for the record, there hasn't been a single memorable cape song in the last 20 years. people will link youtube links to this comment but it doesn't change the fact that they aren't memorable. nobody knows them. nobody remembers them. they aren't used in marketing or advertising.

the age of memorable music is dead.

>>92515794
>Maybe another 10 years before viewers of the 90s show start hitting upper levels.
Ugh...

>>92515804
Ironically the same "Peter should be a teacher and be married to MJ" are also sucking to nostalgia.

>>92515810
>for the record, there hasn't been a single memorable cape song in the last 20 years.
OOGA CHAKA

:^)

>>92515804
Literally no avid readers and fans want him back in HS. That's just shit casuals say.

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>>92515653
>He doesn't have money in Homecoming
LMAO Yeah, look at that. "Poor kid" with 400$ headphones. GTFOH

>>92515849
not a film score

I'd go on to argue that there hasn't been a completely memorable film score in the last couple years either but that would be too much delving off the point. the point is is that marketing makes a song memorable, not its inherent quality. nobody would remember the star wars music if it wasn't spammed everywhere in commercials and media. the only reason we know musical themes is repetition from commercials and media

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>>92515789
Just because you can rely on nostalgia doesn't make it good. Raimi's trilogy had a great theme. Hell, you can make a new theme that homages the 60's theme, but don't just use the 60's theme.
>>92515791
I'm sure Ned is gonna be a laugh riot.

>>92515802
>Loosely adapting.

No, that's like saying "Oh, Spider-Man is preforming brutalities, but it's okay, he did it in Back In Black." Without referencing why or the outcome of it.

>>92515891
>Raimi's trilogy had a great theme

oh, is that why nobody knows it?

>>92515804
>Don't look farther than "Pete should be in High School"

But Spider-Fags hate that shit. In fact, the two most hated Spider-Man stories are because they tried to set back to a status quo.

>>92515810
The only recent theme I can think of that stuck was the Harry Potter theme, to be honest.

>>92514622
None
>Spidey doesn't punch anyone
>Flash Thompson is a short, skinny, indian nerd

>>92515867
and those casuals have now effectively shaped Spider-Man for the next decade.

>>92515921
Play it to anyone and they'll be able to tell you what movie it is from.

Play the theme for Captain America or Thor for them and they'll have no idea which movie it belongs to.

>>92515946
And it sucks!

>>92515888
This guy, right here.
>>92515921
The same way nobody knows the Pirates of the Caribbean theme?

>>92515946
Unfortunately. Only a matter lf time until Slott comes up with a way to de-age Peter.

>>92515974
everyone knows the pirates theme because it's used in media all the time

>>92515925
>But Spider-Fags hate that shit. In fact, the two most hated Spider-Man stories are because they tried to set back to a status quo.
If it's so hated, why do they keep doing it?

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>>92515983
>comics having ANY effect on how casuals know spidey

FUCKING COMIC FAGS hahahaahahHHAHAAHHA

>>92515974
>The same way nobody knows the Pirates of the Caribbean theme?

But people do!

>>92515985
No it hasn't! You specifically know it and are assuming everyone like you knows it!

>>92516010
You keep saying that, but I don't see the proof. I mean, a ton of people know the Raimi Spider-Man theme through youtube poops.

>that warm and fuzzy feeling when I finally feel a connection with normal people in that we both like Marvel movies

>>92515991
>If it's so hated, why do they keep doing it?

Because Marvel is fucking retarded when it comes to this franchise.

Sales /still/ have never recovered since OMD.

They ruined Black Cat because "Spider-Man can't be friends with a criminal".

They made Gwen cuck Peter with Norman, because the original script involved Peter finding out he had a child, which ages him.

And /now/ they're saying he should have never left highschool. Despite the fact that entire fucking point of the character is that he's supposed to be allowed to grow.

>>92516004
No, retard. It's because of "muh sinergy".

>>92515896
>Without referencing why or the outcome of it.
Literally what Guardians of the Galaxy does and everybody sucks Gunn's dick for being subtle, but somehow this is bad now because it involves Iron Man.

>>92516055
You're the one saying they haven't, the burden of proof is on you.

>>92515991
Controversy generates sales for some reason. I guess american comic book readers are just dumb.

>>92516074
nobody gives a rats ass about how the GotG compares to the comics besides bootyblasted comicfags

>>92515810
the X-men film series has a great memorable theme. Granted 1999 is just skimming the underside of the 20 year limit. An argument could be made for the Dark Knight theme aswell, I think, but that's nowhere near as catchy.

>>92516101
>I guess american comic book readers are just dumb.
Americans are just dumb.

>>92516057
Normal people forget about Marvel movies some hours after watching them.

>>92516165
>movies are meant to be memorable

>>92515490
The only scores I can hum are John Williams scores. I sorta feel like that might be a common problem among people.

>>92516057
>Normies are still on this board.

Feels bad.

the 90's theme is actually the 60's theme remixed and with lyrics.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5EeIOeYKd-c

>>92516177
That is the goal, yes. Nothing really sets the MCU apart from Micheal Bay.

>>92516178
and that's only because you've been exposed to them so much through marketing

the ultimate redpill is realizing that memorability is not based on quality, but media exposure

>>92515063
Shhh my friend no worries, this is an anonymous image board so you don't have to shill MCU for all your normie Facebook friends

>>92516192
No it's not.

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>>92516212
This board is fucking dead. The comics suck. The cartoons blow. God forbid someone look forward to a cape production with an iota of production values in it

>>92516207
The MCU has plenty of media exposure though.

>>92516192
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0dEP_TebXaE

Might as well bring out the other not-quite-as-good-but-still-fucking-amazing theme.

>>92516240
not the music

if the imperial march wasn't blaring everytime vaders head popped up in a sears commercial you wouldn't remember it

>>92516235
Your fault for browsing /co/ in American kids hours.

>>92516240
Name the moments that have been spoofed ad nausea from the MCU. Like, remember when a film came out and a moment from it is spoofed in every cartoon from Simpsons to Animaniacs to Waynes World 2?

>>92516235
>The comics suck. The cartoons blow.

That's because you're a normie that doesn't look hard enough. But lets be honest, you never really cared about those things in the first place.

>>92516265
i've been browsing this shitty board since 2009 and it has gotten worse over time. not the board exactly but the media it discusses has gone to complete ass

>>92516260
Because they do not have a single tune that can be pushed.
Even if what you said is true, the song itself has to be good, or catchy at the very least, and recognizable for mass marketing to work.

>>92516278
Guardians and Hooked in a Feeling should be enough. They can't do that with the Avengers or anybody else because of the reasons above.

>>92516332
>the song itself has to be good, or catchy at the very least, and recognizable for mass marketing to work
>what is pop music

but hey its nice you can admit you're a massive shit eater

>>92515888
I don't think Rey's theme from TFA is spammed and that's fairly memorable. But I agree with your general claim.

>>92516110
So /co/ then.

>>92516203
Why is that the goal? When has that ever been the goal? I want a reference, not you talking out your ass.

>>92516353
Never mentioned anything about what kind of music I liked, autismo.

>>92516207
Oh, I know that exposure is what gets something to stick memory-wise, but I still think Williams' scores are more iconic than most. Granted, icon status is probably also exposure-based. Hmm.

>>92516437
Because movies are memorable because they're good. They make you feel something and have you on the edge of your seat. It's memorable because it was a great movie.

The goal in making a film is for it to be great and henceforth memorable. No one approaches their creation and says "I want this one to be mediocre."

>>92516265
American media is discussed at all hours on this board. Sure, we get the rare discussion of something outside that sphere, but it's not like browsing on Europe time is going to visibly increase the quality of that experience.

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>>92516479
>Because movies are memorable because they're good
>The goal in making a film is for it to be great and henceforth memorable.

what is The Dark Knight Rises for 400 Alex

>>92516332
They had the Avengers theme, which they reused only one time in AoU. Did they use a somber rendition of the theme in Civil War to underscore the shattering of the team? Nope! A brand new theme it is. IM1 had a recognizable score too, but they haven't gone back to it either. Iron Man had multiple central motifs through his trilogy.

All they need is to stick to melodies and build a recognizable musical vocabulary. But they can't do that when every single movie has a new bland forgettable score.

Doctor Strange was a rare exception, but even that won't be carried forward I bet because of the Star Trek comparisons. I hate to bring Hans Zimmer of all people into this, but at least he understands the importance of recurring themes. Supes, Bats, Wondy, they all have a recognizable musical signature.

>>92516517
That movie isn't memorable or good. It's meme worthy. Nice try though, kid.

>>92516551
it's the perfect counterexample for your shitty argument. it's memorable through media exposure (spamming bane memes on 4chan) but it's trash

way to shit all over your own argument faggot

>>92516507
>but it's not like browsing on Europe time is going to visibly increase the quality of that experience.
You'd be surprised.
4chan is always at its worst at 6 pm central.

>>92516585
It's /only/ memorable on 4chan though you dense moron. Only time people bring up Rises is when they're talking about the other two movies before it.

>>92516479
Transformers.

>>92516618
>It's /only/ memorable on 4chan
bane is a global meme

>>92516479
I'm pretty sure the goal of making a movie is to make money on that movie. I also appreciate that you couldn't give a citation, after I asked for one. So sure, in the fantasy land you live in, movies are made to be memorable.

>>92516619
Not memorable in the slightest. If you ask anyone what their favorite scene from that movie was they wouldn't be able to recall shit that happened in it.

>>92516633
he's young and still believes in fantasyland ideals because he refuses to grow up

>>92516596
Man, I've browsed 4chan at all hours. It's quality is fucking random.

>>92516618
>It's /only/ memorable on 4chan though you dense moron. Only time people bring up Rises is when they're talking about the other two movies before it.

There were two other movies?

The only thing most people remember about the trilogy is the Dark Knight and the only thing they remember about that is the Joker scenes.

>>92516630
Maybe during the first few months that movie came out.

>>92516633
Are you seriously trying to imply that people make movies with the intention of it not being good? You are retarded if you actually believe that.

I knew the first time I turned on that shitty Jurassic Park: Lost World game that one day I'd hear this guys music in movies. It's been neat to see his progression.

>>92516701
>Are you seriously trying to imply that people make movies with the intention of it not being good

grown ass adults make movies with the intention of making money they can use to support their families

>>92516731
And how do you think those movies make money?

>>92516523
The Avengers theme was failed marketing hence the switch. Iron Man didn't even have memorable music, nig.

I agree that if they want an iconic tune they should spend more time marketing it, but it won't do if they try and force a shitty random song they come up with. It'd feel forced as fuck, you can argue people would grow into it, but is not likely to happen.
The best bet is to try to make an actual good song that resonates with people and then proceed with the mass marketing.

>>92516747
By selling tickets.

>>92516747
by appealing to a mass audience

>>92516618
>Only time people bring up Rises is when they're talking about the other two movies before it.
You aren't a big guy.

Incidentally Rises is the most talked movie of the whole trilogy on the internet due to the big guy, especially in 4chan.

>>92516771
Very good! And how do you get people to buy those tickets?

>>92516757
>The best bet is to try to make an actual good song that resonates with people
like WHAT? what a fucking meme. you goddamn moron there is no song that objectively RESONATES with people. there people that hate classical songs I love

>>92516647
>No one approaches their creation and says "I want this one to be mediocre."

>>92516827
Pretty sure Bay is just a moron.

>>92516659
Not really.

In the mornings it's pretty chill and bearable. It becomes a pool of shit in the afternoon. In the night it's pretty chill due to kiddies being asleep.

>>92516747
Roughly put by becoming memes.

>>92516701
Look, people make movies for all sorts of reasons. I'm pretty sure Tommy Wiseau made The Room because he thought he'd become a movie star and get showered with coke and women. Some directors make movies hoping they'll be good, great even; but movies aren't made just by directors. Studios make movies to make money, and that goal supersedes all other goals. That said, tent pole movies exist, in part, to give studios the flexibility to produce riskier properties, so not all movies are intended to make a ton of money, but neither are any made with the intent to achieve greatness at the cost of losing revenue.

>>92516808
>Very good! And how do you get people to buy those tickets?

By properly appealing to their demographic.

>movie isnt good because normal people like it and i dont hum the musical theme in the shower

there i just summed up most of this boards reasoning for liking/disliking a movie. you cunts are more predictable than a retarded meteorologist

>>92516811
You're a fucking brainlet, nigger. Why are we even having this discussion since it's obvious you have the mental prowess of a fucking chimp?
I
>make song that people like and remember
>put it everywhere
>???
>profit!
Is not hard to understand.

>>92516827
>>No one approaches their creation and says "I want this one to be mediocre."

Sure they do. I mean, we may not want everything we do to be shit, but sometimes you just do a job well enough, you know? Sometimes you kn ow you're stuck polishing a turd and all you can hope is that it's niot a completely revolting turd.

Movies fail for lots of reasons, and most of the time, those reasons are much more complex than "the director/writer was bad".

>>92516854
I've never observed this pattern, and I regularly browse during all those times (less often in the afternoon). Your claim is interesting enough that I'll keep an eye out for this pattern, but I doubt I'll see it.

>>92516853
Snyder is a moron. Bay knows exactly what he's doing and why.

>>92516874
As it, having news of it circulate? As in putting out a product that has people talking? As in being memorable?

>>92516886
And how do you make sure it resonates the best with the demographic? What's going to make them pick your movie over the competitor who's appealing towards the same demographic?

>>92516881
>That said, tent pole movies exist, in part, to give studios the flexibility to produce riskier properties, so not all movies are intended to make a ton of money, but neither are any made with the intent to achieve greatness at the cost of losing revenue.

Although in general, you're hoping that at least one of those riskier properties ends up being a sleeper hit that makes a gorillion times its budget and becomes its own franchise.

>>92516930
this

I hate the Transformers movies but I appreciate a guy who just wants to make some dosh

>>92516701
>he actually thinks Sony went and said "I really want to make a memorable film about emojis!!!!"

>>92516931
>And how do you make sure it resonates the best with the demographic? What's going to make them pick your movie over the competitor who's appealing towards the same demographic?

It varies from demographic to demographic. The kind of stuff that may get you critical acclaim from one audience may get totally ignored by another and vice versa.

>>92516921
Do you realize I was just quoting someone else's post while defending that same posture, right?

>>92516952
Lego Movie was memorable, and clearly they saw the success of that movie and wanted to emulate it.

someday you will grow out of the "ree normies ree" mentality and you will honestly love it

>>92516931
As in being popular, you moron.

>>92516995
>and wanted to emulate it
They wanted to emulate the money not the quality. You're hopeless, anon.

>>92517030
hes ridiculously idealistic, ignore him. he'll grow out of it

>>92517056
Yeah, it's kind of cute how he thinks Hollywood jews are in films for something else than money.

>>92514777
>Do you know much people get paid to do shit like that?
No. What do musicians get paid to work on shit like this?

I don't understand the absolute hatred that /co/ has for this movie. It looks fun.

>>92517092
not even just jews. even people that love the movie they're working on are primarily interested in cash.

>>92517097
It doesn't resemble Spider-Man at all apart from having a character named Peter Parker in it. It's flat out ignoring the shit that made the comics so damn good.

>>92516260
>>92516332
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vfqkvwW2fs

>>92517097
Two reasons:
>hamfisted diversity
>Iron Man
Maybe three if Michelle turns out to actually be MJ.

>>92517147
how does this contradict anything i said

if these songs were spammed they'd be instant classics

>>92515348
>>Iron Man is a billionaire playboy genius. What immature kid WOULDN'T want to be like Stark?
>Peter Parker.
What? The first thing Peter does when he gets his powers is he goes "I can use these to be rich and famous", be it getting a car in Raimi or being a pro wrestler or a famous performer. He has to be TAUGHT not to be a selfish prick with his gifts. Just because he's constantly broke as shit doesn't mean he doesn't want to get paid.

Not to mention Peter constantly goes after the legitimacy and camaraderie of a team in his early career. He's tried joining the X-men and the Fantastic Four. Why wouldn't he want to join the Avengers?

>>92517268
listen, don't bother. there is an obvious stigma against what is Disney produced and created by this board, regardless of how it holds and adapts the source material.

we were all 16 and wanting to get away from high school and posting on here once

>>92514570
Still the best version.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Psdl5xRmrZ0

>>92517170
Three for me are those two and the film looks entirely predictable. Like, if I skip this film, would I miss anything? Spider-Man will lose and get back his suit.

>>92515191
>It's so out of character for him.
It's really not.
It is, however, incongruous with this "Peter's a noble good boy!" fan interpretation of him. Let's not forget that Peter was pro-reg in the comics. He wants good PR. He wants to get paid. He's selfish.

>>92515590
The way I see it, it's a trade off for having a Peter that FINALLY makes his own webbing.

>>92514736
>>92514853
She's focusing on the sheet you actual mongoloid

>>92515810
I keep seeing this and I gotta ask, what makes a movie's theme memorable? Because I remember a lot of stuff that everyone insists isn't.

>>92517268
He's not emulating the aspect that he wants money. He's emulating Tony because he thinks he's cool, nothing else.

>Not to mention Peter constantly goes after the legitimacy and camaraderie of a team in his early career. He's tried joining the X-men and the Fantastic Four. Why wouldn't he want to join the Avengers?

He was trying to get paid.

>>92517342
Peter has never been concerned with impressing people. His always been a bit of a misfit. Now he's a show off for sure, but he's never trying to impress people.

>>92517342
He was pro-registration, and then Tony exploited it. This is the only way I'd actually be okay with him being all cock-gobbler for Stark in Homecoming, if Tony betrays him and Spidey ends up going rogue with Cap's team.

That's literally the only good thing I could see coming from this movie. And Liz is cute, cute.

>>92517342
>The way I see it, it's a trade off for having a Peter that FINALLY makes his own webbing.
Didn't make them in ASM?

>>92516479
Memorability is subjective and you're turning it into a meme argument.

I can probably quote Back to the Future or the first Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles verbatim with my eyes closed, but that doesn't make them the best movies ever.

>>92517129
But that's wrong.

>>92516523
>Did they use a somber rendition of the theme in Civil War to underscore the shattering of the team? Nope! A brand new theme
Because the Civil War theme is a remake of the theme from Winter Soldier instead.

>>92517458
it's completely subjective, but for the average person it's heavily based on media exposure because they don't go out of their way to look up movie soundtracks

>>92517527
Sort of. His father created the web and he modified it for crimefighting purposes.

>>92514570
Needs more brass.

>>92517553
No, it's correct.

>>92514622
Depends on what you are looking for, I guess.

This version of Peter looks to be more of an "adorable misfit" instead of the angry teen he was in comics. Can't say I like that.

>>92517499
>>>92517342 (You)
>Peter has never been concerned with impressing people. His always been a bit of a misfit. Now he's a show off for sure, but he's never trying to impress people.
If that were true then Jonah wouldn't get under his skin. Peter does care about his public image, and there's absolutely nothing wrong with that.

>>92517129
>It's flat out ignoring the shit that made the comics so damn good TO ME

fixed, you forgot that nobody gives a shit about you and your tastes

>>92517597
>>92517527
Raimi has it organic, which makes me wonder if there's not DNA in it..
Webb, he gets it from Oscorp and nobody ever thinks to put two and two together.

He has it when Tony finds him in Civil War, which means heither he's making it himself or we're back to organic webbing, and I'm just hopeful enough to assume it's the former.

>>92517499
>He's not emulating the aspect that he wants money. He's emulating Tony because he thinks he's cool, nothing else.
Tony is cool because he's got money.

>>92517665
It only really bothers him at first because it prevented him from going back into show business as Spider-Man. Then it got to the point where Jonah was printing straight up lies.

>>92517697
Name one aspect of Spider-Man that is in here apart from the characters that you enjoy.

>>92517618
Andrew Garfield's version was an angry teen and was lambasted for it. That characterization simply doesn't cut it for movies.

>>92517738
Peter doesn't care about that in this movie though, he's more concerned about getting Avengers status and fighting along side them.

>>92517771
>male
>shooting webs
>wants to stop crime
>cheeky and makes jokes
>dead uncle he feels guilty about

>>92517697
t. Someone who's never read the comics.

>>92517750
It kinda sounds like you've made this version of Peter up that's a saint and he's really not.
He's not Superman, you know.

>>92517795
We know this because the movie is out and you're not just doomsaying.

Ninety percent of the complaints people have would've been solved had they just given him a yellow and red costume. Then it would be more obvious to the braindead that this is his iron spider costume and he's going to ditch it and the avengers eventually

>>92517820
sorry man, I don't read comics and I don't give a rat shit about how accurate cape movies are to their source. I'd post in /tv/ but it's all politics shit and I hate politics

>>92517805
>Besides the characters.

Also, if that's the /only/ thing you like about the series, then you are a very simple person.

Got to be something like this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Psdl5xRmrZ0

>>92517829
>Saint

>Only upset because he can't make money.

Nah, he's a selfish prick.

>>92517894
sorry pal, if you read inferior picture books for anything but the characters and art you may as well be a retard

>>92517859
Explain to me the damn point of having the Iron Spider outfit if it's not going to be revealed that Tony was using it to experiment on Peter.

And don't tell me that they might, because there's no way Marvel would allow it.

>>92517875
>This character is nothing like the character from the comics everyone loves.

>HA! Faggot, that's only what /you/ think about the character....But I don't read comics, so I wouldn't know.

You're a dumbass.

>>92518012
>implying everyone loves comics
>calling ME a dumbass

>>92517972
Oh, so you have an opinion on something you know absolutely dick about. Got it.

>>92514681
Well, Raimi movies did the same so...

>>92518038
opinions are like assholes, everyone's got one. deal with it moron

>>92517714

Assume? There's literally scene in the movie where Tony holds up a web cartridge and is like "wow it's so cool how you made this webbing yourself"

>>92518026
> It's flat out ignoring the shit that made the comics so damn good.

> It's flat out ignoring the shit that made the comics

>made the comics

>comics.

No, you /are/ a dumbass. /And/ you don't know how to read.

>>92518058
Well your asshole reaks.

>>92517129
>>92516921
>>92515494
>>92515879
I love the tiny eyes, perfectly reflects the lack of vision from this movie.

>>92515810
>for the record, there hasn't been a single memorable cape song in the last 20 years. people will link youtube links to this comment but it doesn't change the fact that they aren't memorable. nobody knows them. nobody remembers them. they aren't used in marketing or advertising.
>the age of memorable music is dead.

In a not-so-strange coincidence, most of the composers who wrote memorable film music -- i.e. Bernard Herrmann, Jerry Goldsmith, Henry Mancini, Elmer Bernstein, John Barry, James Horner (when he was young in the 80's) -- have all left us. Only John Williams is still around, and he's 85.

But I'd actually look towards the producers and directors who demand that a big action score be white noise and interchangeable with one another (or perfectly bland for a non-event film) if you want to discover the reason why memorable themes have slowly vanished over the last two decades.

>>92517988
An easter egg? A reference to the original comic?
Peter getting a Stark made costume for Civil War. It's what happens.

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>>92518179
I chuckled.

>>92518179
>>92518215
samefag

>>92518190
Because it's part of the story's narrative. You have no reason to show Peter kissing up to Tony without that scene.

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Can't beat Spider-Man 2

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>>92518243

>>92518283
>I can use gimp

>>92518336
I don't even know what gimp is.

>>92514622
I have higher hopes for Thor.

>>92515581
So...the target audience?

>>92518336
>not editing the html

>>92514957
>let's play safe
That's every MCU film post Ultron. Notice how frequent THE shows up in all the trailers. He's their safety net.

>>92514622
Opinions vary, but I think it'll be terrible.

If anything, it looks to me like an Iron Man spin-off movie with plenty of forced diversity, a far too high-tech Stark suit, and a Peter Parker/Spider-Man who acts like a whiny douche (not to mention the embarrassingly stereotypical "fat best friend" who knows his secret and becomes his confidante). Based on that alone, I can comfortably skip out on this latest reboot. The only positive is that at least it's not Miles Morales.

Now as to whether Spider-Man: Homecoming will be profitable?

Let's just say this. As of 2017, Kevin Feige could shit into a basket, stamp Marvel Studios on it, and people would line up around the block to eat it. And I guess in a way, they do.

>>92518564
the target audience is kids too young to have seen even the ASM movies in theaters, kids whose only experience with Spider-Man is the USM cartoon with the wacky imagine spots

>>92515666
Not the cartoon, the theme song.

It's like the Star Wars theme, it's iconic. People that barely know Spiderman beyond the basics can hear the melody and recognise it.

>>92518259
It's hilarious how you go "it's part of the movie's narrative" when they telegraph super hard that Peter's growth is going to be to drop that behavior in this movie.

>>92514570
>>92515124
>this will only play during the end credits

>>92518887
But it won't be because he was betrayed.

>>92515638
The Incredibles my man. Best James Bond film score since John Barry died, even if it's for a film about the Fantastic Four. He's also done a good job on Doctor Strange and the Nu Trek films of the top of my head. He also did the score for those new Tom and Jerry episodes they did a few years ago.

>>92518715
yeah dare they make a Spider-Man film that can be enjoyed by more than 20 year olds

>>92514570
I had a feeling Giacchino would do something like this. I hope he gives a bit a jazzy vibe like what Beck did for Antman. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ZUHlrir4Og
>>92518935
pls no

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>>92515810
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uF6IIp6YMjo

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>>92514570
This movie is so bad Keaton declined to take part in the promotion. Also zendaya said:"Throughout my career, there have been moments when I have been insulted, sidelined, paid less, creatively ignored, and otherwise diminished based on my gender, this was worse.

>>92515581
>>92515666
>>92518564
I watched the 90's series and hearing it now >>92515333
It feels like it's the first time I ever heard it, it also doesn't seem very good. I can see why they avoided referencing it.

Spectacular Spider-man theme is good though.

>>92518622
THIS>
>92518679
AND THAT

>>92516228
but it is?? listen to it the notes are the same, its just at a different tempo with a modified rhythm

>>92516253
now this was legit
i met the front man of the band who wrote the song and he was cool

>>92520102
To be fair it's basically a remix of the original theme. The background score of the show is mostly orchestral with the same variant theme https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgnwZKXRsHo
which sounds pretty similar to OP

>>92514570
It's shit
>>92514622
Little to none

>>92514570
Giacchino, you have my full undivided attention.

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>>92519916
>diminished based on my gender
Why? she is a man

>>92516228
The guitar solos especially should clue you in.

>>92520302
It's a Milla Kunis quote

>>92520302
>Why? she is a man
No, seriously I just wrote it.

>>92519916
>This movie is so bad Keaton declined to take part in the promotion
actually this seems legit Not the zendaia thing, this.

This needs love.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0dEP_TebXaE
But I love 90's too, why live

>>92514639
Not gonna lie, I wasn't digging it until the brass came in.

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New stills.

The movie could go either way, but holy shit was that good.

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>>92519916
Fuck, I'm scared. I normally don't care for the MCU, but Spidey deserves better.

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By the way, they confirmed Liz is a senior and two years older than Peter.

So that probably spells doom for their romance.

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>>92521174
Don't worry (yet).

Lots of hyperbole going on in this thread.

>>92521174
Spidey doesn't deserve a lot of shit that's been happening to his franchise as of late. Fuck Marvel and their shitty status quo.

>>92514570
this thread is garbage

>>92521193
>The Flash high school time travel episode

Weak.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Ac4xamCIgY

>All these fags in thread not realizing the fan created shit is better.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=inhTfmntrqo

>>92519916
>This movie is so bad Keaton declined to take part in the promotion.
Villain actors in MCU films that aren't Tom Hiddleston tend to be not required for heavy promotion on Press Tours, for the most part. At best, they show up for a press conference or two.

I expect that Josh Brolin might be a little more involved, given how big his role is.

>>92515348
>AI
God it's almost as if he's going to have the suit taken away from him and he has to learn how to be Spider-Man without Tony Stark.

>>92514622
Anon im more hyped for Thor and New Mutants.

>>92521299
That's the Tinkerer isn't it?

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>>92521794
Yep.

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>>92519916
Making up stories is not cool Boris, but i guess it's fair considering...

>>92521554
>Keaton
c'mon man, if someone can sell this movie is the based bat

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Not Spidey but MCU and I've been thinking it for a while but it doesn't deserve it's own thread. They should have killed Iron Man in Avengers (not killed but left him on the other side of the portal). They could have brought him back later, but everyone loves Iron Man and he's just about MCU's main character so his death would have been more impactful.

Looking forward to Spidey. Not expecting it to be perfect.

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>>92521315
I always thought Grant Gustin would've been a great college-aged Peter.

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>>92521193
Wait a minute

>Nerdy protagonist
>His black waifu
>The (half) white nerdy female friend
>The nerdy mexican comic relief friend
>The douchebag who mellows out
>The snarky rich scientist mentor
>The villains are a bunch of blue-collars thugs with stolen tech who just want commit heists.

I bet Flashpoint did this.

>>92522025
>Making up stories
so, where is keaton? too busy or what to promote this shit

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>>92521541
HOLY FUCK MY DICK

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How long before they use this cash cow?

>>92519916
Do you have a source?

>>92522389
After Peter does a trilogy in High School. They want to push Peter as the only Teenage Hero, stupidly.

>>92514570
Okay I'll say it, spiderman was never a manlet.

>>92522237
How is this different from GiTS?
-"Look, we.. The Mouse, are all about diversity"
-What about the main character, is he gonna be..?
-Fuck No! he is white of course

He can't even punch people. This movie is being made for small children and big babies.

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>>92522513
Spider-Man has always been a manlet.

>>92522685
I know you think your funny but 510 isn't a manlet

and the actor playing spiderman in the mcu verse is barely 5'6

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>>92522848
>510 isn't a manlet

>>92522848
Isn't it because RDJ wanted Tom Holland because he was shorter than him? The other guy running for Spider-Man (Charlie Rowe) was 5'10 to RDJ's 5'8

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>>92522591
>He can't even punch people
How about slapping?
pushing people is lame

>>92515385

DUDE

>>92522869
this
kek

>>92523066
He's got "childlike youth and innocence" or someshit which apparently means he only hurts people accidentally.

So it's safe to assume he won't slap anyone either.

>>92514989

yeah for all people bitch about oversaturation of capes I don't see how it's any worse than something like James Bond

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>>92515385
>Peter will hit back by fucking
... Happy. FTFY Pepper? she doesn't fuck manlets

>>92523170
>he won't slap anyone either
well, good luck selling those toys
-SPIDER MAN WITH EXTREME PUSHING ACTION

>>92522513
I don't see the problem with having Spider-man be around average or below average height? It makes sense since Spider-man is an agile character. Most Male Olympic Gymnasts are usually below 6" and for good reason. In fact, most of the people who are skilled in acrobatic disciplines of any kind are usually on the short side. Nightwing is 5"10 and it makes sense for his character since he's suppose to be the "Nimble" One.

>>92521519
Elfman's Spider-Man and Ottman's X-Men are the best capeshit score I've heard, I'd take this over MCU's generic tunes and Zimmer's horns any day

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>>92523405
>WITH EXTREME PUSHING ACTION

>>92522848
>510 isn't a manlet

WHEN WILL THEY LEARN

>>92523592
basically sums up the thought process behind everything in Homecoming.

>>92523596
uh 5'9-5'12 is the western average its normal- 6'3 master-race

>>92523756
>5'12

>>92523931
5'12 is not considered tall, it is normal. everything 6' and above is tall.

>>92523592
Marvelous! in this extraordinary piece of art the toilet is the spider-man mythos or the movie audience?

>>92522869
>>92523264
the expressions

>>92514622
Like legitimately a great film?

almost zero. it will be the standard competent comedic action blockbuster

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>>92524176
>5'12 is not considered tall, it is normal. everything 6' and above is tall.

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>>92514957
>our main fucking character
I know Spidey is the one who rakes in all of the money, but I always viewed Captain America as the "main character" of Marvel, if such a thing exists.

>>92524428
He's not, though. Captain America is only selling as highly as he is now due to movie pushing. Brubaker and some good runs pre the MCU did help, but Spidey is and always will be the flagship Marvel character. That's been the case since before most of the people on /co/ were born. At least the 70s, if not fairly soon after the character was introduced.