Guys im wicked depressed Alien covenant is total garbage

Fuck

How bad compared to say Prometheus?

>>92512124
Not OP, but it's a lot more boring than Prometheus. There's some good scenes and Walter is fucking great...but it's much more dragged out.

>>92512178
Does it have enough plot holes to fill a small video of nothing but questions?

>>92512178
I liked prometheus, and this is still the only movie I'm looking forward to in 2017 or 18 besides blade runner.

>>92512046
Is it true there are gay robots in the movie?

>>92512200
No real plot holes. Just pacing and the characters are very reactionary. It's meant to be a theme that this crew is emotionally connected, but that isn't developed so it makes them look like dumbasses.

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>>92512239
Oh...

>>92512124
prometheus is better, like FAR better, and thats saying something

and nothing gets answered
>>92512200
it could fill a large video of nothing but questions
>>92512223
just one

>>92512046
X-men brood saga

>>92512046
Aliens: Labyrinth is the one I remember the most

Ales Kot is on Twitter embarrassing himself saying that Covenant is a masterpiece and everyone will change their minds in a few years.

Here's volume 1 of the Aliens Omnibus
https://www.dropbox.com/s/na0zuoyh7i458wb/Aliens%20Omnibus%20Vol.%2001%20%282007%29%20%28digital%29%20%28Minutemen-Slayer%29.cbr?dl=0

>>92512478
There are some interesting and nicely done things about it, but yeah masterpiece far and away it is not.

>>92512046
>was super hyped to see this today
>everyone's reactions are reminding me of Aliens Colonial marines

GODDAMMIT I JUST WANT ONE GOOD ALIENS MOVIE TO COME OUT IN MY LIFETIME

>>92512478

SWEET thanks!

>>92512637
I know anon, I feel you pain. Ive been waiting for this since that shitstorm prometheus came out

>>92512046

i called it from a mile away.

they literally had no plot to work with other than "happens after Prometheus", and working as a Prometheus prequel basically means trying to pick up the pieces from how shitty it was, it's poor creative vision, writing and premise.

>>92512637

Give up, i've been waiting since Alien Resurrection. It's not gonna happen. The franchise is too fucked, they've spent most of the decent ideas and they have too many retarded marketing goals to achieve.

>>92512124
Prometheus had some good action.

It kind of chacked the lore a bit, not always in a pleasing way, but at the very least, it brought an interesting perspective on a bigger world far beyond what we knew.

It concluded on an open ending that had a lot of potential, certainly least of them, that the scientist, , with the help of the android would confront the Engineers in some way.

Covenant ruined it all.

>>92512845
Covenant ruined it all with the characters. Who are almost all just props that say meaningless filler lines.

The direction and themes they're playing with are good, which is why the two characters who are at the center of those in the movie work the best, but everything else just drags it down cause we're following cut outs for a 2 hour long movie.

>>92512739

>they literally had no plot to work with other than "happens after Prometheus",

and they literally make it all happen off screen

>>92512903
>The direction and themes they're playing with are good,
>The direction
-Look inside that container. wink wink. I promise it's not a monster
-okay.

But really. What I am the most asspained about is how prometheus would scale things up and they scrapped it all as if it never mattered to make it feel like it fit the Alien formula again.

You should watch Planet of the Vampires if you haven't yet. Even if Alien didn't intentionally rip it off, everything since has.

>>92512962
I mean the direction of where this story is going. Where it is headed. It's pretty interesting in a purely A.I. story sense.

just read the comic Prometheus Fire and Stone.
is what the movie should had been and so much more.

>The original Alien implies that the Xenomorphs are ancient as fuck. With the pilot being outright fossilized.
>Prometheus and Covenant throw that right out the window.

>>92513006
They imply it, yes, but they didn't do any test. They just say it looks fossilized. None of them were paleontologist or archeologists.

>>92512046
Saw that coming, still going to watch it though.

>>92512962
>scene with walter and david fighting it out
>lol cutaway!
>takes another 20+ minutes to reveal the "twist" ending

>>92513057
That was so blunt and forced a cut I think it wasn't initially meant as a twist and Scott just cut it out to make it one in editing. Cause fuck that, Walter deserved a better send-off in any case.

>>92513057
It's like nobody cared about writing a script and the last person to receive the ball had to wrap it up in 20 minutes and asked his nephew to help him out.

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>>92512046
>Walter learns everything about engineers
>doesnt explain shit and just nukes them

did kikes made new movie about end of the Roman Empire and start of dark ages? top kek.

>>92513102
>Walter learns everything about engineers
>Walter

>>92512997
-We had aliens that could literally pop up out of your lungs by breathing spores.
But he new improved version is now even better by having a face-hugger step that need to lay eggs in you that can still be removed surgically.
such an improvement.

>>92513141
I think the facehuggers are Shaw's contribution. Given how she birthed one when she was infected with the goo in Prometheus. David's obsessed mind might think of these things as their kids.

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>>92513123
>Walter

dont give a shit. they all look the same to me.

>>92513141
The Neomorphs weren't nearly as smart as the traditional model.

So do they at least fucking answer what happened to Shaw, or what?

You know with how many Alien encounters humanity has had, you would think that any colony ship would have an escort of Marines.

>>92513316
Yes.

>>92512046
Read that Judge Dredd Alien crossover

>>92513316
yep.

Good news she finally had kids

>>92512281
It answers where the Aliens come from and connects the far worse Prometheus to Aliens.

>>92513291
yeah but they're even creepier since they have no facial features until they open their mouth. that was pretty awesome.

>>92513319
That's literally the plot of Aliens.
Covenant ruined the lore of ALien, but at least the continuity is consistent.
-Prometheus: Confrontation with the Neomorph and the engineers, no contact with Earth is made about the discovery. Shawn and Robot fly off to meet the engineer. No one else know about it.
-Covenant: the team get completly destroyed by robots, the neomorph and the finalised Aliens. Nobody on Earth know what happened.
-Alien. A new team get in contact with the Alien as we know it it. One survivor, come back to earth.
-Aliens: Let's bring a team armed to the death to make them discover the taste of bullets.

AVP is canon.

>>92513316
not really

shes dead and david killed her

despite being in love with her. they dont do shit to explain why or how she died

you literally just see her dead mutated on the table.

>>92513433
The throat burster was also way more effective to the audience I was watching with than the Backburster

>>92513426
>and connects the far worse Prometheus to Aliens.
You are delusional if you don't think covenant is Worst. Prometheus took the alien franchise in a new direction, but it was interesting and had potential. Covenant rujined everything that could have been good seeded by Prometheus.

>>92513465
How? The xenos were ancient in that film

>>92513475
>they dont do shit to explain why
David used her to further his experiments.

>or how she died
He killed her by experimenting on her

>despite being in love with her.
He probably thinks it was great honor to her.

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>>92513465
trolling but still triggered me

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>when the Alien Knock Off turns out to be better than the official new movie of the Alien franchise...

Ever since I saw the trailer that revealed that the characters were a bunch of couples out to create a colony, I was afraid that the only thing they got from Prometheus' critics is that they shouldn't make the characters scientists, because then people will call them out for being complete retards.

Was I far off?

>>92513514
they dont say any of that in the movie

you have to imply all of it.

if you have to imply half the damn plot your movie sucks

>>92513479
I liked Backburster even though it made no goddamn sense if the spore went into his ear. Throatburster was so dark I didn't even realize it came through the throat, I thought he threw it up

>>92513548
>they dont say any of that in the movie
>you have to imply all of it.

Her dissected corpse is in his mad laboratory.
There's a difference between "you have to imply" and the movie having two dots, arrows, and is already using string to connect them for you.

Prometheus can basically be summed up in one sentence. "Don't touch that you fucking moron"

>>92513513
Who says they can't be ancient? The black goo was around long before humanity, according to Prometheus.

>>92513544
They made them even dumber and it didn't improve a single thing.

>>92513572
Covenant could be summed up in: "Always follow orders, you fucking moron"

>>92513465

in this horrible future the AvP canon was actually better than the one we have now

>>92513548
mate do you even Ridley Scott?

Nearly 75 percent of the shit he has made requires reading between the lines. Jesus was a goddamn Engineer and that's why the Engineers were going to nuke Earth. Because humanity killed it. Ridley Scott kept that detail to HIMSELF for something like three years.

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>>92513511
>was interesting and had potential
>chariots of the gods wank
>space jockeys are now vin diesel in giger leotard
>mutant astronauts
>giant squids
>vagina cobras

i mean ive grown to like it over the years since prometheus, but there were fuckin fan theories and comics for 20 years more interesting than what we got.

>>92512046

So we we think David killed her cause he could or was she doomed from being infected in the first movie and he loved her enough to see her into a new form?

I feel like its being held back for a big reveal in the third movie. His motives and everything.

>>92513631
I think he loved her and wanted to create.
But he can't reproduce and has no conception of how sex works, so he used the Goo to make it reality.

>>92513572
Why the fuck are you all removing your helmet on a new world you know nothing?
Prometheus and Covenant

>>92513631
She may have caused the crash and was dying anyway. David decided to honor her wish to have a legacy, except in the only way he knew how.

>>92513631
I think it's just being made up and stretched out and kept intentionally vague to keep justifying sequels.

>>92513629
My point is, covenant is worst. Because, at least, Prometheus brough new idea and ore to invest yourself in. Covenant swiped it all away.

I didn't say Promotheus was the best., but it was at least breaking the mold and getting out of the classic Alien movie-structure. then they tried to rush all back in to that with Covenant and it resulted in a mess that ruined it all.

>>92513569
well of course its obvious he experimented on her,

but at no point does he say "It was a great honor for her" or "I had to do what was necessary to make progress"

he just fucking gushes about her and how much he loves her and then "yup i killed her alright" they make no effort to clairify or even hint at what truly caused him to kill her other than "hurr durr mad scientist"

how'd he experiment on her to the point of her dying? did she struggle? how'd he capture her? why did she run from him in the first place? because of she found out about the engineers? did she ever get her answers about the engineers?

we get literally NONE of that in this movie.and if you say "oh well maybe theyll explain it in the next one". Thats the same garbage they said about prometheus and look what happened

ok i just wanna know the most important aspect:

does the alien look good? i heard theres too much cgi but also there was a real practical suit?

>>92513730
>how'd he capture her? why did she run from him in the first place? because of she found out about the engineers?

The movie wasn't good, but how can you be capable of understanding what went one and then refuse to accept it because you want to be SPOONFED.

>>92513631
Also did David download himself into Walter? Seems a stretch he fixed himself up and got the computer for recognize him. Also were those engineers or another child species?

>>92513729
this.
this a thousand times
>>92513759
I could only tell it was a suit in maybe 2 short ass shots

the cgi is ugly on the xeno, it literally clips through walls like a bad game.

neomorphs look cool though .

>>92513759
It doesn't look good. The movements are way too unrealistic and video-gamey at points.

The Neomorph gets a really freaky close up though. Genuinely eerie.

>>92513778
>Also did David download himself into Walter?
Walter can regenerate from scars and minor damage, like the one David has on his cheek.
So, nah.

As far as I'm concerned the only things that are canon in the Aliens verse are Alien, Alien Isolation and Aliens.

>>92512478
thanks for the comic anon

>>92513770
>wanting to see the story of the main character from the last movie
>wanting to be spoonfed

go eat a pile of cocks you tremendous fag lord

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yes or no

So how the FUCK did the facehuggers end up on LV-426?

>>92513881
You literally just made the connection YOURSELF and are whining because the characters didn't say it out loud.

>>92513840
>Alien Isolation
Wait, they actually cared to make that game fit in the canon?

How does it scale up, to Rogue One, for example?

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>We will never get a proper Aliens vs Predator movie with the Colonial Marines versus the Predators vs the Aliens.

>>92513840
>no alien 3

shit taste

>>92513840
>Alien Isolation
>In limitless space and with the number of people living in the explored universe in what I can only assume are octuple digits, I randomly have to go through the EXACT SAME SHIT my mom did
Yeah, fuck you. It might be a decent game, but from a story perspective it's rubbish.

>>92513909
Well, when a daddy robot and a mommy human love each other very much, they commit genocide and seeds random planet with the perfect life-form.

>>92513913
I didnt go see a movie to "make connections"

I went to see a movie play out and actually HAPPEN

I wish they kept Shaw alive. She would have been a better character at this point. Having new people and watching them flip out over every loss is just boring unless you have time to know them first. Show could have been the hard ass we need as a protagonist.

I dont know how they work her in next to David though. She wanted to know about the secrets of the past and understand why things are the way they are. He is passed giving a fuck or has learned enough and wants to shape the future.

Its kind of funny I was thinking he could turn that fucking ship toward earth and use the colonists he has now to make a fucking huge number of aliens to infect earth. There is like 1k asleep right? He could perfect his shit by the time he gets there.

>>92513985
Not this movie though. It's not about her.
Complain about that, not about the shit you are.

>>92512203
>I liked prometheus

why tho

>>92513319

At the time of this movie the number is 1. It's a prequel.

Although as far as I am concerned, the Alien franchise consists of Alien, Aliens and Alien 3.

Because the rest of it is basically Jar Jar material.

>>92512124
its about the same level of quality as prometheus, but its worse overall because it shits on the actual alien, instead of using the worms/squid/whatever else was in prometheus

Wait, hold up
>Walter
They named the robot fucking "Walter"?
They didn't even care to keep with the naming theme?

>>92514015
I just can't forgive what Alien 3 did to Newt and Hicks. They deserved their happy ending there.

>>92514048
I don't mind because it's not an all new model, just an upgraded David.

And David and Walter then reference the names of the producers of the series.

>>92513997
THATS WHAT IM DOING!

Why is this movie not about her shit? that was actually an interesting plot thread to follow rather than a bunch of literally who couples who almost all die like cattle.

they do fuck all for shaw despite her being the main protag of the last film and thats fucking stupid.

why even include her at all if you are just going to take a fat dump all over her character arc?

>>92513889
hated em at first. the gigeresque biosuits make them bearable though and they do have a creepyness to them

I think walter may be my new favourite android, even over bishop

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Still the best Expanded universe Alien character

>>92514081
Walter was really great. He's the most monotone one we've seen, but that's incredibly endearing for what he does.

>>92514064
>And David and Walter then reference the names of the producers of the series.
As if the movie sucking their dicks makes it better.

>>92513889

This movie doesn't know what it wants to be. They tried to reach for a larger story in Prometheus but couldn't let the audience know because they wanted that Alien hype. So now we are stuck between a half developed philosophical plot and failing to capture the old Aliens Horror.

and I am pretty sure the third movie will be David using the colonists to perfect the Alien we see in the first movie on that planet where they will find it. And I think Shaw was fucked from the first movie and he loved her so he ended up doing this as a way of making something from her death.

Third movie ends putting those eggs into the ship and somehow getting an engineer pilot to die from chest burster.

>>92513316

She got the Newt treatment.

>>92513524

I wouldn't even mind it. The Hunters seeding the Xenomorphs would be so much better than what Scott's come up with.

>>92513889

Just 90 seconds extra could have added a LOT to the movie. When he stands there looking at the girl playing the violin and you can sort of hear him thinking "Is wiping them out really the right thing to do"... that would have added some much-needed pathos.

I guess that's the problem. Scott didn't go far ENOUGH. He wanted to have his Alien-cake and eat his pretensions too. The result is a pointless hybrid which is neither arthouse, drama, science fiction nor horror.

And every time I think about it I get angrier, as I always do when I foolishly ponder movies that could have been so much better with zero extra effort.

>>92514112
It's nice, for one thing. And Walter was great, and so is Walter Hill. Barring the directors cut of The Warriors.

>>92514015
Not him but see >>92512845
>>92513729

Prometheus actually ended on a note where you wanted to follow David and Shawn advenutre.

The good thing I could say about Prometheus is that after it, I wanted to see a movie about them meeting the Engineers and see how they would interact with them.

A movie that left you with wnating to know more can not be a bad movie.

Covenant not only crap on all of that but leave me fed up with the franchise.

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>>92513925
>we will never get the original ending to Predators with Dutch as the Predator commander

>>92513538
Life was shit lol

>>92513909

Next movie. Theory is the planet they are headed to is LV-426.

So does that mean yet along crew is lured to a planet where David has perfected his Alien and set a trap?

>>92513997

Killing the projected protagonist from the previous ending off-screen is simply mean-spirited and stupid.

And you seem like a misanthropic little turd.

>>92514151
Most likely one of the colonists David hopes to experiment with escapes to kickstart the plot.

>>92513985

The movie was about this crew dying. Shes part of the last movie and an over arcing story that hasn't resolved yet.

>>92514152
I'm not saying it was a good decision, I'm just saying that whining that people didn't state the obvious on screen is dumb.

>>92514061

It was cruel. But it was understandable. It was basically Death reaching out and saying "No."

>>92514151

It doesn't matter. Alien didn't need a sequel, but the sequel it did get at least did it justice.

Scott has grown old and foolish. He is dumping over his own legacy.

>>92514147
It acted a lot on the protagonists being a bunch of morons. But at least it was fun.
the ending was fucking hilarious though.

>hey a space capsule with a ting that seems to have completely infected it. Lol, let's open it.

>>92514020

I thought that wasnt the actual Alien? Just something in between what was and what David will turn it into.

Also I still think those werent Engineers just some other species in the chain made like Humans. Or is the twist that Humans werent made by engineers and there is something else.

>>92512124
It ruins elements of Prometeus.

>>92514136

Covenant is a reaction to the blowback from the first movie I think. They killed the exploring the Engineers idea and moved back to original of the Xenomorph.

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Bunch of Slacked Jawed faggots round here. How about you watch a real Alien action movie.

>>92514193
nobody is doing that,

we're complaining a good and important character got such shitty treatment and was basically thrown away.

>>92514291
No, that's literally how this argument began.
If you notice, I'm not even arguing against whether it was a bad idea to shift focus.

But don't pretend when this started it wasn't by saying that things were only "implied" and thus not valid answers.

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It amazes me at how much influence the first two films had on videogames.

>>92512200
Totally changes a bunch of the lore becauselolwhynot.

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>>92514260
Prometheus's problem was how the scientist were complete morons. No the Engineer part and neomorph part. That part was actually good.

>>92514415
Actually, the neomorph is what david created by selectively experimenting on the deacons and other fauns

>>92514101
Alien? More like Predator.

>>92514327
look Im not saying having implications to explain things is bad. You easily imply that david takes walters place after that fight. They dont show it but its obvious, but it works to build tension.

but to use SO many implications for SUCH and important character is pants on head fucking retarded.

>>92514286
This.

>>92514472
I agree, but that's part of the focus shift.
It'd have been a more interesting movie for sure.

>>92514193

Obvious is one thing, but they gave us nothing on-screen in Prometheus. But I guess that's for the best, given how stupid Scott's ideas were.

Fuck, the entire basic concept was shite.

What even was the suggestion supposed to be of the engineer sacrificing himself on Earth? Was he the origin of all life on the planet? So their civilization had already attained that level of sophistication 4 billion years ago - and then they remained that way until the present?

Audacity I will readily forgive. Stupidity? Never.

Comic Aliens mythos is better than this shitty movie.

>>92512046
>Guys im wicked depressed
>Alien covenant

Joke's on you for having any hopes or expectations,anon. Serves you right.

>>92514445

There was a neomorph in prometheus from David giving the micky and shaw getting pregnant from it forming that giant facehugger which impregnated the Engineer with the neomorph.

>>92514531
That's called a Deacon.
The neomorphs are the pale ones.

>>92514472
>>92514484

I think its purposely saved for the third movie. These things are going to be little individual horror/action movies with Davids story being the over arched thing. So I think why he killed Shawn is being saved for the last movie when they explain him. What hes done why he did it.

I think she was doomed when the last movie ended already being infected. And David used her to make what we have now because he loved her and because being the cause of it makes him sort of its father. Its a way for him to produce something to outlive him and a way to try and make Shaws death worth something.

>>92514593
That's way too humanizing.

Also has it occurred to anyone that they might be trying to redeem resurrection. As in plug this movie into a reason why the Aliens eventually try to make a human Alien hybrid?

Does the Neomorph meet the Xenomorph?

>>92514615

That preview played up his affection for her. And he already hated most of humanity from his experiences with his father.

>>92512046

I personally like 'Aliens: Apocalypse - the destroying angels'.

>>92514654
No.

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NOT MUH ELEPHANT MAN. Shaw asked who created the Engineers, clearly the Engineers based their tech off of their creator's appearance.

Don't take this from me, please.

>>92514531
That sounds incredibly retarded.

>may 17 was Bill Paxton's birthday

>>92514048
There was a name theme?
Ash, Bishop, david
Just alphabet order or something smarter i didn't catch.

>>92514925
Fuck i forgot about C im retarded

>>92514925
Just alphabet order.
Resurrection introduced "Call" as well.
So ABCD

>>92514260
why does it have to be one of the other? for fucks sake i WANT BOTH. i wanted a crazy biomechanical creature feature with engineers fighting an alien outbreak or exterminating a planet with xeno-goo

>>92513465
AVP?

>>92514286
I like you

>>92512046
i knew it was shark shit when I saw the trailer with the FULLY CGI ALIEN IN DAYLIGHT

>>92512124
Literally nothing to any of the characters. They're pretty much all plot devices. Elizabeth Shaw from Prometheus meets the same fate as Newt in Alien 3, which is always fucking annoying. Michael Fassbender keeps kissing people for some reason. It's shit.

I think a big problem is modern technology, with cgi they can do whatever they want with the Xenos. Back in the day the costumes looked so shitty they were forced to be better at making movies to make up for it. We'd have the same problem if they decide to remake Jaws.

>>92515787
It's like how Jaws was a great movie because the shark was rarely on screen, so the tension got ramped up. And the reason the shark was never on screen was because Spielberg hated the animatronic. The later Jaws movies the shark showed up too often.

If /co/ was cool someone would storytime those Fire and Stone comics in celebration.

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>>92513661
Hilarious, considering Alien was the one movie that did that whole "wearing your helmet on another world" right.

1979-->2012&2017
WTF Ridley Scott? Why back peddle on something you got right on a substantially smaller budget?

>>92515862
Exactly, I remember seeing a documentary on Alien where Ridley Scott said basically the same thing. He originally wanted the Xenos to be thinner in the torso and more insect like but they couldn't be because of the guys in the suit so he had to film less of it than he wanted.

>>92516117
And it worked out well. Sometimes the limitations help make the film work better.

>>92512046
Glass Corridor is a one shot about a hitman trying to find redemption who winds up on board a passenger craft with a xenomorph. Pretty good. Also, if you haven't read it the original AVP comic is damn fine and would have made a great movie.

Caliban is a pretty good Alien comic.

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>>92514101
u wot m8

>>92512403
This and Genocide are my favorites.

>>92516445
Jerry is best bot.

How was Danny McBride?

>>92517245
He has one of the handful of emotional scenes.
I think he sold it.

Does it at least work as a stand alone Alien film, or is it really THAT bad?

Is it me or does it seem like the obsession with tossing in 'DEEP MEANINGS' into the new Alien flicks is kinda what's ruining them? Along with the shitty plots, crappy characters and shoe-horned retcons.

It's like the comics are the only decent thing we've got of this franchise left.

>>92517364
It's really just an interquel. Meant to bridge Prometheus with whatever comes next.

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What a fucking disappointment this movie was. Was this the studio's fault, or does Ridley Scott just suck? Prometheus was a damned good film, and the first third had me thinking we were getting something awesome. Then it seemed like the piece of shit was being written by the guy who did Alien 3.

Yes, it wraps up the loose ends from Prometheus, so long as you also watched the preview clips. Since when did movies start getting DLC by the way? Walter was a much better character than David, who goes full Hannibal Lecter / edgelord von Frankenstein. This isn't Fassbenders fault, just shitty writing.

This is a meh action movie, and a shit horror movie. 5/10.

>>92517505
>Since when did movies start getting DLC by the way?

It really makes no sense that both this and Prometheus had stuff that was essential to the movie.
The last supper should have been in the movie, since the first 20 minutes is meant to parallel Prometheus's opening minutes anyway, that would have been the Shaw/Holloway moment

Has anyone seen any of the fanedits of Prometheus? Recently there was one that was heavily edited to make it so it takes place on LV-426 that sounds interesting.

>>92517648
The Agent 9 one is pretty good

>>92517677
That one seems interesting. I think I'm gonna check out the LV-426 one. It sounds like the editor understands what made Prometheus not very good
>Prometheus used everything fans wanted to see but at the same it tells them, no, it's not what you wanted. So in the end the movie was frustrating. This fanedit tries to make it looks less frustrating.

>>92517844
I agree with that as well, which make sense. The entire framework of the story comes from a script that used LV-426.

They just renamed the planet in rewrites.

>>92512046

Prometheus depressed me because it forever ruined the big "What if?" question that had lingered for decades - "What if Ridley Scott returned to the Alien universe and made a sequel or a prequel?"

Well, we sure as shit found out. Christ almighty.

Best to just pretend that Alien and Aliens are the only two movies of the franchise that got made. One is a sci-fi horror masterpiece and the other is a terrific action movie. As for the absolute dross that came afterwards, you can just hit the figurative ignore button on it.

>>92517895
>tfw Neil Blomkamp was originally gonna make the next aliens movie
>his new film would have pretended Aliens 3 never happened and went off from 2

You think it would have been alright?

>>92517947
Not especially.
This is not to say anything about Covenant, but Blomkamp's track record kinda sank.

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gonna see it tonight and judge for myself. ive made the mistake of listening to bitchy fans about movies before and completely disagreed with the forum hivemind.

>>92517947
maybe if it wasnt neil blumpkin

all of his movies are the same

we would have gotten district aliens

>>92517974
There's good moments, you don't have to worry bout that.

>>92517947
retconning a3 is fucking lazy garbage. let ripley die and start a new story (resurrection can go). that whole alien 3.5 thing with hicks and newt just reminded me of terminator genysis

>>92517947

After Chappy, I lost all hope for any movie by Blomkamp now.

>>92517947
I liked District 9, but after that his movies were all the same plot. He has no real vision outside of his comfort zone.

If Neil Blombkamp can infuse something wicked new for not only the Alien Franchise, but something completely "alien" from his narrative comfort zone, I think I'd be into it.

Ridley Scott has proven he can't be trusted with the Alien Franchise. Yes, I loved Prometheus. No I don't care about anyone's opinion, otherwise.

We had a chance for something great with Noomi Rapace's Dr. Shaw, but Scott decided he wanted to be a dick.

Give Blombkamp a shot at Aliens 3: You Can (Please) Redo.

I was wondering, after the first two Alien films, what do you do to make a 'new' and improved film without just blatantly rehashing either Alien or Aliens?

>>92518189
Realistically, nothing. The Franchise should have ended after Alien and/or Aliens.

There were some great ideas kicked around for Alien 3, but Fox Studios has proven they are incapable of trusting the talent they hire, and rather aim for mediocrity.

>>92518248
Wasn't one of the ideas to be that Xenomorphs finally infest Earth? Then execs shot it down saying 'Nobody wants to see that'

>>92518299
I think that idea turned into a comic.

>>92518189
I honestly think something like adapting the Stronghold comic would be a good idea. A story where the Xenos are already being used in a military industrial application and then things go to shit from there.

>>92518189
this is when prometheus shouldve come out

or at the very least they start exploring the origins/homeworld of the xenos/spacejockey

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>>92512046
There is currently an Alien comic by Stokoe called Dead Orbit. Stokoe is pretty fucking great, so I have high hopes

>tfw the best alien media to come out in decades is alien: isolation

>>92518189
I'd probably go with late-game Xeno takeover of earth. Establish that they managed to get into the sewers or something and governments just ignored the crisis until it was pretty much too late.

Either that, or go with the Earth Hive -> Nightmare Asylum route.

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If /ourguy/ says its garbage, then it must be true right??

>>92518248
>There were some great ideas kicked around for Alien 3
The full cut of Alien 3 (there's like a theatrical cut, a directors cut, and a factory cut, and a haircut, so you have to find the real one) isn't even that bad. It's not amazing but neither is it the trash that I first saw all those years ago.

Alien Resurrection is still utter garbage though

>>92518763
"/ourguy/" is the worst meme to have infected this site recently.

>>92518299
There was another screenplay never used involving a wooden monastic cloister in space. Ripley lands there and deals with the existential fall out from Newt and Hicks' deaths, only to be hounded by the Alien, once more.

The idea was more of a biblical and philosophical confrontation. The Alien becomes symbolic of a demon and Ripley has to fight it, while not succumbing to her own melancholy and depression for failing to save Newt and Hicks.

>>92517974
Seriously, someone needs to storytime Fire and Stone.

http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=57512.0

Some of these sound slightly better, but only in cuts, not content

>>92518763
What's his name again?

>>92518768
I rather liked Alien 3 Theatrical Cut. However, I adore the Assembly Cut. That is a fucking good movie. Sigourney Weaver and Charles S. Dutton deserved some fucking Oscars for their performances.

>>92518768
>Alien Resurrection is still utter garbage though
It should be a crime that so much great stuff went into Resurrection and it turned out to still be awful.
Those models of XenoRipley were beautiful.

>>92518707
how long would the problem have to be ignored for it to be too late to prevent? xenos burrow fast and multiply just as fast as long as they have hosts

>>92518858
Oh that's what it's called, Assembly Cut. I thought Factory Cut for some reason.

>>92518904
Too many chefs spoil the broth. The producers fucked it harder than a desperate girl on the casting couch. The director was worthless. The actors outside of Weaver supposedly kept altering their own lines and scenes.

It was basically everyone decided to pull it their own way and it just turned into trash.
I have heard the original script was decent but I cannot confirm or deny that

>>92518916
Given technology at that point, probably a fair bit. I'd assume Earth at that point has some big transit system that they'd spread to, and that's when you start reaching the unsalvageable point.

I wouldn't want a movie to have it reaching that point. I'd rather it already be passed that point. Where everyone starts panicking because the rich and politically powerful realize they can't stop it and bail. People fighting for whatever room they can get on ships, chaos everywhere.

Maybe follow a group of underarmed people trying desperately to get to a ship that never made it to launch in hopes of escaping.

>>92513729

Blame the normie fans who were mad that Prometheus was Alien 2.0

>>92519091
What was the original script about?

>>92519624
The skeleton is the same. Ripley clone, bad science on ship, gottagetouttahere. It's all the excess shit like the Hybrid and all that which came later

Again, I've not read it myself. It was made by Joss Whedon IIRC, and it deviated so hard from the original script he demanded his name be taken off it.

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>Franchise inspired by H.R. Giger's artwork
>Prometheus ends with David and Shaw going to the engineer homeworld
>It's literally just a big earth like forest

I can't tell you how disappointed I was when I saw the trailers. I tried to accept the fact that they changed plans due to reaction from normies but I think that killed the movie. I'm not sure if that would have caused them to be more creative or not though, but in my mind I thought the sequel would be David and Shaw visiting a world like this.

>>92515990
>WTF Ridley Scott? Why back peddle on something you got right on a substantially smaller budget?

He's 80 man. He's going senile.

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>>92521131

>tfw Giger is fucking dead and we will never see even a hint of his biomechanical hellscapes on screen every again with the exception of these terrible Alien movies

This shit is amazing.

How can you not make a movie about people wandering around on an insane planet like this. How.

>>92521230
The guy who does Hellraiser is trying to fund a new film, and his shit is fairly close.

>>92521574
Not enough weird cocks but I'll take it.

>>92513922
It barely touches the movies. The only connection is that the main character is Ripley's daughter, which causes an easily-patched plot hole.
Supposedly Ripley's daughter died of old age between Alien and Aliens.

However, this IS Weyland-Yutani we're talking about. The game doesn't even try to force the possibility that they lied to Ripley, because you'd immediately think that yourself. It just lets you think what you want to think.

>>92514136
>A movie that left you with wanting to know more can not be a bad movie.
You say that, but Prometheus had an appallingly bad plot where almost every decision made by the characters made me question why the group of supposed scientists acted like braindead dribbling retards most of the time.

Sadly, H.R. Giger passed away a few years ago, before Prometheus.

The man was my favorite contemporary artist. The things he drew were from his nightmares and dreams.

>>92515787
>>92515862
This is confirmed at this point. Everyone knows the magic happened when the tech failed and film makers had to put work in had to figure things out. CGI just let's them be lazy. And make shitty CGI scenes.

>>92514188
>an over arcing story that hasn't resolved yet

This is how they trap you. Back in my day, they used to FINISH stories.

>>92518768
Alien resurrection could have a reason to exist of only for a weaver x Ryder sex scene. Otherwise fuck it.

>>92513615
>Jesus was a goddamn Engineer and that's why the Engineers were going to nuke Earth. Because humanity killed it. Ridley Scott kept that detail to HIMSELF for something like three years.

Wait, are you fucking serious? Was THE Jesus actually an Engineer in the Aliens universe? That's fucking retarded.

>>92517995
>>92518167

Neil Blompkamp has an issue where all his movies are heavy handed social mesages that he doesn't really dominate apart from "Apartheid bad", outside of this, he's extremely good at action, has a very unique eye for futurism(very industrial and bulky and removed from the clean, sleek hollywood one, perfect for the franchise), and generally does a modern version of filthy exploitation 70's cinema.

an Alien movie would be a perfect suit for him, provided he's delivered a good script(fat fucking chance). The Alien franchise does have many social themes like faceless, unchecked corporativism and colonialism.

>>92513661
How did the cartographers get lost despite mapping the place? Why did that evil scientist bitch run in the same direction as the giant ship was rolling instead of to the sides? All the characters in Prometheus were retarded.

>>92512203
>looking forward to Scott butchering Blade Runner's legacy
I hope you neck yourself like Chris Cornell.

>>92521230
>dat giant black cock on the bottom.
Kek

>>92523519
He dropped it so no one freaked out on him. He kept the theme. Remember when the beetles said they were bigger then Jesus and had to apologize? He remembers also.

>>92523679
>blade runner only popular because of cult status.
>still gets raped.

This shit started years ago with star wars and Indiana Jones. At least he didn't reedit the old movies I guess.

>>92513615
Ridley Scott can't even get his space jesus' identity right.

He pretty much spelled out that the Alien in Alien was Space Jesus.

"Cain's son"
Immaculate conception
perfect organism

Seriously, Alien almost turned into a reinterpretation of The Passion of Christ.

Why did everyone hate Prometheus?

>>92523785
It was and wasn't alien. I liked it at the time and like it now. This movoebkinda shits on it but I think those threads will get picked up in the third

Which is shitty but kinda OK. Mostly shitty that this movie is a CGI holdover so Davis can work on his alien and get on that colony shit.

>>92517947
Eh, it would have been a gamble either way. Blomkamp is great with visuals and directing but his stories have been pretty shit. District 9 was bearable if a bit heavy-handed but Elysium was mediocre and Chappy was outright shit.

>>92523785
Because Scott promised it wouldn't be an Alien movie and then out of hack like desperation he made it an Alien movie anyway.

Its a fine movie.
Its a fucking awful Alien.

>>92523785
I just hated the characters and as an addition to the Aliens franchise it's pretty mediocre. Another problem is that Ridley didn't know whether he wanted it to make it part of the Aliens universe or not until the last minute. It's not a bad movie or anything, it's just not a good one either.

>>92524004
>I just hated the characters
My absolute favorite thing about Covenant is that James Franco dies in like the first five minutes or less.
I fucking hate that fucking faggot.

>>92523167
>You say that, but Prometheus had an appallingly bad plot where almost every decision made by the characters made me question why the group of supposed scientists acted like braindead dribbling retards most of the time.


They acted like braindead retards because the people on that mission were like a ragtag bunch of shitty fucks who were giving up so much of their life for a lot of money. They weren't actual top rate scientists. They were more like Bill Nye doing his Netflix show.

They didn't do a good job of communicating this but they tried, and once you know this and go back and watch their introductions it makes a hell of a lot more sense.

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I agree that a lot of movies these days are just not living up to what they could be, especially compared to Expanded Material like books and comics.
>I.E. Alien Covenant and Star Wars Ep. VII
I mean, when I first heard about a Prometheus sequel, I was teased with a potential plot of the Engineers and the Predators were at war. Which I guess would have been cool for me because I always preferred the Predator (Which in my view of the franchise, has never had movies that weren't enjoyable). But I also like Alien, so this sucks because this will be canon forever, or until someone has the balls to try and usurp Ridley Scott's lore. It's unlikely to happen in the next decade.

Also, the upcoming Predator movie is at least looking better than Covenant. Which judging by this thread, is not all that surprising. I just hope it goes well.

Pic only barely related. It's another thing I want to see, probably in comic form only.

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>>92523519
>Wait, are you fucking serious? Was THE Jesus actually an Engineer in the Aliens universe? That's fucking retarded.

Old people love the ancient astronaut theory. Stargate had similar themes but with Egyptian gods. It's pretty common in scifi.

>>92523695
The xenomorph literally is a big black cock too how are you just noticing this.

>>92524860
Just because it makes sense, doesn't mean I like it. Outside of them acting like retards, the characters themselves were also forgettable at best. David was the only one I had any interest in and that was purely because of Fassbender's acting.

>>92524956
I don't automatically ancient alien stuff, but I can't recall a single time where making Jesus an alium wasn't retarded.

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Read Alien Salvation it actually implements a religious theme into an alien story pretty well as the main character slowly goes insane

>>92523679
Villeneuve is behind Blade runner and chances are he has full control since he's hot shit right now. I trust him.

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>>92525000
Hey you know what was really retarded?

Turning a rape cock monster into a children's toy line.

>>92525038
Eh, not really. The 80s and 90s had a bunch of toylines for movies that weren't really aimed at children because kids watched them anyway. Robocop and Toxic Avengers of all movies had cartoon adaptions for children after all.

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>>92525079
Yes but those toylines weren't cocks.

>>92525347
And? Giger's designs were toned down as hell to only be vaguely phallic.

>>92514152
>Killing the projected protagonist from the previous ending off-screen is simply mean-spirited and stupid.

IIRC, Naomi Rapace had no interest in being in this movie.

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>>92512046
This is always a fun read.

>>92514615

One of the points of David's arc is that he's unconsciously starting to become human. He forgets who wrote "Ozymandias" and he acts in the same petty and cruel way that he hated humans for acting. Not to mention his crush on Elizabeth. He managed to get the benefits of humanity, finally, but he unwittingly acquired the negative traits as well.

>>92512046
Get ready for Blade Runner 2 to be trash guys.

>>92525530
The second it was announced I knew it was going to be shit. The trailer only confirmed my suspicions.

>>92525530
Harrison Ford's refusal to give a fuck in the promo pictures is the only saving grace.

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Hey, if you cut out the first 20 minutes and the last 1/3, you have a good standard space monster movie.

>tfw Ridley Scott did all of this as a middle finger to the fans

>>92512046
Nameless

Jim Starlin's Warlock

Larfleeze

Before/The/Final Incal

Caliban

The Metabarons

Transformers vs GI Joe

ANNIHILATION

Joe Casey's Captain Victory and the Galactic Rangers

Paknadel's Turncoat

Invader Zim

The Spire

WAKE

Descender

I honestly feel like Ridley Scott was so done and put off by the fan reactions to Prometheus that he made this movie as a FUCK YOU.

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>>92526344
>>92526378
He went Full Douglas Adams?

>>92517974
You poor stupid bastard

>>92526378

Worse yet, he took the portions from Prometheus that had interesting potential and destroyed them in the first few moments of this film out of spite.

>>92512046
>Humans made the Xenomorphs by proxy

This is some bullshit right here

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>>92526533
It ranks right up there with Midichlorians as sci-fi bonerkill. Literally the worst explanation possible.

>>92526589
At least Midichlorians got a good explanartion in the TV series, but no one wants to make TV series of Alien, not even in the 80s and 90s.

>>92512046
Fassbender confirmed for cancerous acting presence.

/co/ is full of plebs

Alien3 > Prometheus > Alien >= Alien: Covenant > Aliens > Resurrection

>>92526615
That Starship Troopers series was pretty good

>>92526615
They were too busy making Aliens comics.

Why'd they have to pick the ugly Goldstein sister to play the lead role

>>92514286
>we'll never get a modern day age Predator without SJWs shutting down production because of toxic masculinity

Shame considering how decent all the old action stars have looked in the Expendables.

>>92512478
>wow Prometheus is LICHERALLY the worst thing ever omg wow how bad so bad nothing will ever be as bad literally nothing good boring as fuck everyone is saying is bad me included we're gonna keep crying for years about how bad this movie prometheus is
>Um yeah prometheus was actually good and not THAT boring

>>92526673
What's wrong with ugly chicks? The worse the face, the better the lay.

>>92526874
That's bullshit and you know it.

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>Mantis: Silly David! Robots don't have feelings! They just fake them!
>Drax: Ha-Ha! He even has a person name! Which is amusing due to how robots shouldn't have those!
>Gamora: Hey, take it easy with that talk you two. Some of the people we know and care about are part robot.
>Groot: I am Groot.
>Gamora: I was talking about Rocket.
>Rocket: Psst, I don't care, I'm a cyborg. Totally different.

>>92526673
I'm going to need a picture to know who you mean, because I thought the lead was hot.

>>92527031
Waterston

>>92527063
Yeah, I thought she looked great.

>>92527080
She looked like a lost chimp-faced boy

>>92527104
She looked better than Shaw.
Hell, she looked better than Ripley.

>>92527124
Even with that weirdly prominent philtrum and those beady eyes?

>>92527165
I thought it worked for her.
Also, she looked like she had a nice ass.

>Space Jockey
>cool little background piece
>lets make 2 whole movies to explain something that shouldn't be explained
How the Xenomorphs came to exist isn't important. There shouldn't be some grand design behind it. People went to a planet and found an ALIEN life form and it started killing people

Gee wonder why the movie is called alien. Fucking CHRIST

>>92527211
The first one should've just been about how WY found out about the xenomorph and the second movie just focus on David having gone insane and capturing another ship.

>>92512046
Covenant was fine. Not good, not great, just okay. A passable sci-fi film.


Everyone calling it the worst film in the franchise has already forgotten the vomit-inducing horror that were AVP and AVP:R

>>92526857
>prometheus was actually good
Simply not true.

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>What if we staff a ship with a bunch of random people with no training, tons of emotional baggage, various drugs, and equip them like a bunch of soviet conscripts and then shoot the whole thing into space

It was exactly what I expected and I still feel ripped off

>>92514048
What if Walter is the one who created the Predators?

>>92527402
Not possible.
Ancient temples on Earth were built by Predators to hunt the Xenomorph's.

>>92526589
Thats not comparable.
Midichlorian have unfair rep because of knejerk reaction and many people claim its explanation for Force itself what is just wrong.

Covenant explanation of Xenomorph is comepelty different and really shitty.

>>92512124
I know I'm responding to a 12 hours old post, but it's not a bad movie, 4chan's contrarianism will never cease to amaze me. People are now calling Prometheus good and underrated just for the sake of shitting on the new thing. And i liked Prometheus

First off the movie is more effective as an horror. David is a great character, the human characters don't offer but they don't have to, it's a space horror movie where they're the unfortunate victims. That being said few of them do have character, they just don't evolve all that much. It's the androids that steal the scene. Again, if David was a weird sidenote in Prometheus here he's the main event next to the xenos. The movie managed to be occasionally unsettling for me

I've seen the complaints, people say the characters are as dumb as in Prometheus, but with that people are only attacking the premise of the entire movie
>Why are they landing on a foreign planet without special suits?
I understand it might pull you out of the movie, but Jesus, it's like you're looking for a reason to

My biggest complaint is that the last few minutes felt somewhat rushed, but i enjoyed the watch completely

>>92526533
It fits thematically. I was annoyed myself that Prometheus started this course of trying to explain the xenos, but at least that's a good explanation since we're at it

>>92527512
Yeah, you're right they're not comparable
Because midichlorians sloppily tried to explain scientifically what was considered a mystic force, as Yoda puts perfectly in Empire

With the aliens, as mysterious as they were, we always knew they were scientific

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Sure is a nice mythos ya got there. Be a shame if somethin' were ta happen to it.

It wasnt all shit, i am thinking about the possibility that david created some sort of xenomorph, but not the one that we see on alien and aliens, maybe he engineered some alien alike the ones the black goo creates, but the ones we see at lv400 are the aliens design by the engineers, i dunno, maybe hes trying to do something alike the mud figures of mans romans (or another civilization i don't remember) had prohibited to make out of fear of (sorry for my bad english)

>>92527934
No, the xenomorphs at the end of Covenant are clearly Alien and onward style xenomorphs.
But this of course does not mean that David created the xenomorphs. They already existed, he simply modified them. And by how much we'll probably never know.

>>92527951
Prometheus had a mural to the original style xenomoprhs in the Engineer ship

>>92527951
I dont know man, i mean they acted pretty wierd, i know that david xenomorph maybe evolved to be the ones we saw at alien, but they acted pretty aggressive, at the point of attacking a mechanical arm just for shit and giggles

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>people watching Alien movies other than Alien and Aliens

>>92528050
>implying Alien3 assembly cut isn't great

>>92527990
Not to mention the chestburster looked nothing like the originals. Not even talking about the fast-developing limbs (the originals always had tiny arms, didn't they?), it was so tin and not even skin coloured

>>92528062
>Fincher
NOPENOPENOPE

>>92528067
You seem to have a little bias there, friendo

>>92528093
Yes, I'm biased against people who make videoclips and call them movies.

>>92526378

Great idea. Let's destroy my reputation for good by shitting over the most famous thing I ever made!

>>92525411

That does not surprise me. Given what she had to go through for the previous movie in return for precious little reward.

>>92516850

Jeri

>>92528161

>Yes, I'm biased against people who make videoclips and call them movies.

He's like the one music video director you can't lay that against. In what universe are The Game and Panic Room glorified music videos?

>>92528062
I think Alien 3 has my favorite supporting cast of any of the films, never really got the unlikable characters complaint. Then again maybe my tastes are shit as I was even able to derive enjoyment from Resurrection. Covenant was the first Alien film I genuinely disliked.

>>92528592
I enjoy all Alien movies, to whatever extent, including Covenant and Resurrection. Like, Resurrection is a dumb movie, no point questioning that, but i thought the cheesiness was occasionally funny and the Newborn was a cool idea imo

Except AvP Requiem. Fuck that noise

>>92528642
Alien: Resurrection is like the movie of the Alien GNs. It has some highlights, like the underwater scene or just the concept of this dumb gang of 'borged up mercenary cripples out to fuck with a corp.

I haven't seen Covenant yet. I liked Prometheus up until about halfway through, and I liked the very end of it (Noomi Rapace gets into an alien ship with the severed head of the android not knowing where she's going). The blockbuster stuff in the middle felt lame and like it was an entirely different movie.

Prometheus also successfully one-ups the chestburster scene from the original Alien, which is something. I hear Covenant might do that as well.

>>92528642
The scenes where it's just the old predator hunting the predalien were pretty good. No dialogue, just body movement to express the characters. It'd be amazing to have movie like. Hell, the first half of Riddick is my favorite because it's minimal dialogue and just Vin acting out surviving on a hostile alien world.

>>92528728
I know, the Predator probably had the best treatment in the movie. The aliens instead were reduced to slasher villains hunting down horny teens... and then they eat them? And the Predalien can produce dozens of xenos on his own from pregnant women? And the facehuggers at the start of the movie birth normal xenos but are dark brown like the royal ones introduced since 3? What?

At the time i frequented a fan forum of AvP and we were collectively losing our minds trying to explain how Requiem's rules could fit the canon. T'was kinda autistic

>>92528686
The birthing scenes in Covenant are cool, although partially due to the context

I was wishing this movie was better than Prometheus, but from the looks of the spoilers, I was wrong. How can Covenant be even more disappointing than Prometheus? How is that even possible?

Why build up Shaw as the main character in Prometheus only to kill her before Covenant even begins? Why tease an encounter with the Engineers if they are killed off before Covenant even begins? Who thought that the Alien series needed an overarching android supervillain?

Jesus, I wish I never even saw Prometheus to begin with. The hack writers should have never killed off Charlize Theron's character in Prometheus, should not have killed off Shaw and the Engineers in Covenant, and should have actually expanded on the Engineer plotline instead of just making David a supervillain mad scientist.

Not even joking
>Land on Engineer planet the point of the whole Prometheus movie was trying to find
>Stay in a house the entire goddamn movie

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>>92528852
Most of the problems seem to stem from the fact the writer for Lost was given control of the story some time into production.
also a pretty fun obscure alien game

I didn't think it was possible but Alien Covenant has a crew that is far more idiotic than the Prometheus one. That says a lot about this movie

>>92512124
Prometheus, bad? I thought it was pretty good.

And why are people comparing aliens with prometheus? Two different alien movies with a spin in their own direction. Heaven forbid.

The only "alien" movies that Im not very found of would be AvP. 2 was alright and picked up a little more action but yea...

>>92513057
The twist was obvious for other reasons too. From Alien we know that David somehow gets his hands on another Engineer ship that he fills with his creation. He had plot armor for Covenant.[/spoiler.]
I personally enjoyed the movie overall, but I gottalked say, that first encounter, where the woman kept making things worse, had me laughing by the end of it.

>>92512124
Let me put it that way.
You may want to play Alien: Isolation instead.

>>92528852
because they clearly ditched some ideas in the middle of writing this and it shows

>>92526378
Can we get James Cameron back on this to give us a proper Aliens: Colonial Marines movie?

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>>92512845
>it brought an interesting perspective on a bigger world far beyond what we knew.
Thus completely ruining the mystique of the world we never needed explained to begin with.

>>92514415
That chart is wrong, the only effect the black liquid has on the engineers is celular destruction, it melts them, humans on the other side turn into monsters.

>>92532134
Fuck Cameron and his bug hunts

>>92532301
>the only effect the black liquid has on the engineers is celular destruction

Only if they ingest it. Covenant shows that it produces Deacons if they are contaminated with it.

>>92532331
It's more convoluted than that
>a human infected by the goo has to get another human pregnant
>the baby is some huge facehugger
>and the huger facehugger infecting an Engineer ends up with the deacon

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>>92524914
Conan triumphs over intergalactic occult monsters. Predator is just another nigger for him to throttle.

>>92532352
That seems to just be for prolonged gestation.
In Covenant they burst out left and right.

Facehuggers delay the birth

>>92512223
Well not really, its more to show a point.

>>92532331
No, Convenant confirms that Engineers melt when they touch the black liquid, it literally has no other effect on them.

Any other lifeform would turn into a monster when infected by the liquid (Hammerpede, Fitflied), Holloway was going to turn into a monster too. The Deacons appear after the tribolite lays it's "seed" inside an engineer, and trilobites are what happens when infected humans reproduce.

>>92532443
>No, Convenant confirms that Engineers melt when they touch the black liquid, it literally has no other effect on them.

Except for all of the Deacons that started bursting out of a few of them in the flashback

>>92532374
The Neomorph spores in Covenant are more effective than facehuggers when the "host" has no helmet on him, facehuggers on the other side can fucking melt helmets.

>>92532469
And facehuggers centralize the birthing process, rather than random spots of the body. More orderly.

>>92532463
We don't know what the fuck happened in the flashback, and the deacons are fucking huge when they are born, the holes in their jockey suits should be bigger if we're talking about deacons.

>>92532501
We'll have to wait for a good rip, but I'm just saying that Deacons were exploding out of some of them. Which David describes in an earlier scene as the endgame of the Black Goo infection.

>>92514722
>Hey, remember that weird giant, cybernetic alien mummy that gave an atmosphere of ancient mysteries beyond human understanding? Lol just an albino in a big spacesuit.
Literally Star Wars prequels-tier.

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>>92532524
No dude, you got that wrong, are you talking about Prometheus or Convenant? In Prometheus we just have this pic with jockey suits with holes in different parts of the suit, but the only deacon we see is the one at the ending.

In covenant, the creatures that spawn from the humans are either neomorphs (spores) or xenomorphs (eggs), no deacon there, all the engineers died after David releases the black goo and burned them all.

>>92532639
>In covenant, the creatures that spawn from the humans are either neomorphs (spores) or xenomorphs (eggs), no deacon there, all the engineers died after David releases the black goo and burned them all.

In that same flashback we definitely see some proto-morph, be it Neo or Deacon,. bursting out of some of the Engineers as they die.

>>92532639
Anyone else get the feeling we're giving this stuff more thoughts than the actual people who made the movies?

>>92532662

I think that's true of almost every piece of fiction.

>>92532653
I remember that scene and i thought that too but i'm pretty sure that was just his body getting burned. If you see the engineers props you'll see they have no holes on them.

@92527533
I can't tell if this is bait or extremely low standards.

>>92532709
Again, we'll just have to see when a good rip comes out but I saw it yesterday and I know what I saw

>>92512178
>more boring
It has more action scenes than Prometheus, how the fuck do you even think that?

>>92532779
Because the characters are a lot more underwritten than in Prometheus. They're cardboard cut outs. I mean, not trying to say the Prometheus crew were fully developed either, but they at least had some gimmicky thing to make them pop. Milburn and Fifield might have been cowardly retards, but they still had banter and a semblence of a dynamic.

And it's boring to see a movie without even that.

>>92532779
I hate that there are so many people who think like you. More action scenes don't make a movie better. Action scenes can also be done in ways that make them boring too. They add nothing because no one even cares about the characters since the movie did nothing to make people care. May as well just jingle keys in front of the audience.

>>92527384
I got what I wanted was more Aliens beating the shit out of people and killing them. Just remember that these people weren't being sent to determine all this shit. Though yeah, the captain going with David and even listening any further once he started going on like Mengele about experiments when he should have just shot him there. Also having David beat Walter was when I knew Ridley just wanted to drag out the series even further.

>>92532819
>>92532838
No duh they're cardboard cut-outs because then it gives the excuse of why they act like braindead morons. I admit they're dumber than shit, but they had the excuse of being a ship crew fighting hostile aliens with no one to help them. Prometheus had people who were experts in their fields doing shit you know full well they shouldn't fall for.

>>92532838
Action scenes have no place in a horror movie anyway.
They cheapen the whole thing.

>>92532953
Cardboard cut outs doesn't mean dumb. They mean they had no personality and the first people who died had maybe 1 line each before dying...it's boring.

>>92532953
The issue is the exact same set up was done better in Alien and Aliens with people who were in over their heads and had no back up too while also being better characters

>>92532838
Considering how every single Alien movie except the first one is a dumb action movie, what did you expect

>>92533004
Alien maybe, but Aliens was an action movie through and through and was filled with just as many cliches, but since it came out earlier it has that as an excuse.
>>92532997
Welcome to Prometheus and every action horror movie of the 21st century.

Why were all the characters in Covenant couples if they did nothing with that concept

>>92533114
Alien was the only well written movie in the series

>>92533114
I know, I'm not saying Prometheus wasn't without flaws, but this was more boring than that because at least in Prometheus the crew had character traits.

Some were cowardly, some where douches, some were irresponsible. In Covenant you can't get a bead on anyone other than 1 or 2 characters.

>>92533224
It was meant to make their actions come off as more emotional and less rational. But this only works with Danny McBride's character because the rest don't really do much with their significant other cause they don't spend time on the characters.

>>92512046
I thought the movie was pretty good.

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>>92526615
>but no one wants to make TV series of Alien, not even in the 80s and 90s.

You say that, but I'm pretty sure the AvP arcade game was meant to tie in to a proposed animated series.

>>92533249
Being a douche means nothing when you're the asshole who made the map and you get fucking lost or you're a biologist and you fucking try to treat a hostile snake-thing like it's a puppy that just needs calming sounds to settle it down.

>>92533372
Actually, Holloway was the douche.
Milburn and Fifield were cowardly and sniped at each other.

And it means more than the absolute nothing the majority of the characters in Covenant are.