Is he right that modern/2010- cartoons are better than some of

Yes but not any of the ones in that picture

>>92506166
>NC
>right

Yeah. Peoole who wank off the 90s forget there were some real clunkers.

For every Gargoyles there were five Bobbys Worlds

>>92506166
>some of the previous entries of TV animation
With such a vague definition, he can't be anything but right

>>92506222
Basically anything from like the 90's, 80's hell even the Hanna Barbara cartoons is what I meant anon.

Oh god, I just realized I kind of look like this idiot.

Time to commit suicide, I guess.

>>92506203
>Bobbys World
IT WUZ A GOOD SHOW!

>>92506203
pretty much this.

the 90s was more about quantity over quality.

>>92506179
steven universe would be alot better if rebecca was better at running a team, was a half hour and didn't take a hiatus every couple of episodes

bubbline & shippers in general are ultimately the kiss of death that ruined adventure time

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>Cartoon talks about feelings
>Therefore it's good

>>92506528
90s and 80s show had a more detailed art-style, making them look superior as still-shots

What most do not realize is just how stiff they were when it came to actual animation

>>92506179
Adventure Time will age very well I think. It's definitely my favourite cartoon from this decade.

>>92506512
>if you didn't watch these growing up you didn't have a childhood. Kids these days, they don't know.

>>92506556
Because nobody shows ever have ANY emotion outside of boundless hatred for every single living thing

just as God intended

>>92506570
I call it Anime-syndrome. Really detailed designs to make up for extremely limited animation.

>>92506203
>Bobbys World
I haven't seen it in 20 years, was it really that bad?

>>92506166
Fuck no

>>92506571
The way they talked might be very outdated in a few years, I fear. It would probably just be remembered as a very trippy 10s cartoon with a cult following.

>>92506929
It was funny at first because it was a parody of 80's speak (Math=Radical), but having EVERY character speak the same way was a mistake.

>>92506166
Yes.

>>92506861
>>92506972
Yes and no.
There are positives and negatives for both sides.

There's a valuable lesson to be learned from all this. Try waiting until these shows' conclusion before you uncritically praise them as the next Golden Age of animation.

>>92506950

Defending "SLAMACOW! SHMOWZOW!"

That was embarrassing before the show was two seasons old.

>>92506929
I don't think so. It was never trying to be hip with the times. Their manner of speaking was always dorky. I think it was just a commentary about how the way the young generation that follows your always has dumb sounding slang to your ears (lit, fire, etc) so they made up this dumb slang for the future. That principal is pretty timeless. Think about how old people hated hippy talk from the sixties and then those hippies hated the radical talk of the nineties and now we hate slang from youngsters and the cycle continues.

I can see people being put off from the show because of the stupid slang but it being dumb is kind of the point.

>>92507010
Why? I like what they've been up to now, we'll have to see if they change later on.

>>92507027

>"The show was only PRETENDING to be retarded!"

>>92506179
Gravity falls was pretty fun until Season 2B.

>>92507046
>the way people talk and the show itself are the same thing

>nostalgia critic
>being right about anything
Pick one.

>>92507046
No its intentions are quite clear. If anything you were pretending to be retarded by not picking up on them.

>>92507046
In this case is the truth.

>>92507046
Just like you are only pretending to be a Jew

>>92506166
No, his only excuse is "muh lore".

>>92506166
When you say something vague enough like that, it's hard not to be technically correct. There's literally been hundreds of animated shows, of course some current stuff is going to better than some older stuff.

>>92507320
Didn't he stop doing those Steven Universe videos a while ago? I guess he realized it sucks.

>>92507013
>SHMOWZOW
I-I'm not even sure how to pronounce this

>"It's amazing how all the things that are popular now are also incredibly brilliant!"
>"I totally didn't make a giant piece of click-bait!"
>"Next will I'll be reacting the 14th chipmunks movie.

>>92507402
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oscfN0os9Ec

>>92506166
Gravity Falls and Adventure Time are both good, but average compared to the best cartoons of years past.
Steven Universe was never more than mediocre and managed to turn into a pile of shit amazingly quickly, mostly due to the clusterfuck that is the "Crewniverse".

I say no on the basis of stifled variety.

Point me in the direction of a couple of stright-forward action/drama/adventure/fantasy shows that are new IPs and I might change my mind.

>>92506571
>Adventure Time will age very well I think
AT started aging poorly by 2012. The faux wackiness and terrible pacing does didn't hold up from the beginning.

Wait, people actually still like Adventure Time? I dropped it two seasons ago and I probably should have dropped it much earlier.

>>92508738
Seasons 5 and 6 were bad but 7 and 8 have been great. Watch the recent Islands mini-series.

>>92508357
>even Universe was never more than mediocre and managed to turn into a pile of shit amazingly quickly, mostly due to the clusterfuck that is the "Crewniverse".
And it put itself back together again by season 5.
I would put it it above average.

>>92507373
Not really. He just can keep concentrated for long.
He give up the AT reviews too.

>>92509550
Whoa now lets not jump the gun. It's still garbage right now but it is on a small upswing at the moment. Aquamarine and Topaz are great additions, but so were Lapis and Peridot and then their characters were dragged through the mud and thrown in the meme barn to rot. We'll have to see how they handle Homeworld to determine if the show is actually back on track. I'm optimistic but also cautious.

>>92510408
>but so were Lapis and Peridot
>Lapis
What was interesting about her besides being trapped and sad?

>>92510408
>It's still garbage right now
Not really; people really make this season worse than it seems.

>>92510408
>We'll have to see how they handle Homeworld to determine if the show is actually back on track
It will never be "on track".
As it is, people are arguing that Steven going into space is ruining the show.

>>92510432
I liked that she was attached to Steven but couldn't give less of a shit about Earth. It was an interesting different perspective.

A really important recent-ish change has been the transition from episodic shows to having actual story arcs. Back in the 90s if you wanted a cartoon with a story arc you had to watch anime, like Dragon Ball Z or Cowboy Bebop. All the cartoons were self contained 1 episode things, which severely limited story potential and meant the show could be nothing but a rapid-fire series of gags. Gag shows are fine but they'll never be as engaging as an actual story.

Most modern cartoons now have a sort of hybrid thing going on; they have story arcs each season with some shitty 1-off shows thrown in as filler

>>92510451
Well this season 5 only has one episode but if you're talking about season 4 then it was trash. I'm not against filler, I like small scale stories that flesh out characters. But they went way overboard with it, coming to a point where there were episodes with lessons that the characters definitely should have known already or ones where it felt like we had episodes in the past where they learned the same lesson. It was so tiring.
>>92510490
Right now anything that gets the show away from Beach City for a while is a good thing.

Better than 2005-2009 except Avatar

>>92510551
Episodic shows are for patricians. Pseudo serialized shows are for pseudo intellectuals.

Modern cartoons have serialized stories and offer lessons on maturity . Old cartoons had idiots and mean-spirited characters doing random and gross things. Also please buy their toys.

>>92510599
>""""mean-spirited"""
>unironically hating gross-out humor in current year

Fuck off PhantomStrider

>>92510561
>Right now anything that gets the show away from Beach City for a while is a good thing.
To you.
But we've basically gone full blown Nintendo fandom at this point; people hate the current formula but if the creators do anything to change it, people will be up in arms.

>>92506166
They're just different that's it. The art style, target audience, use of continuity, type of humor, budget, animation techniques, etc it's pretty different each decade.

There is some good stuff and some bad stuff in every decade you can't really compare.

>>92506166
If you're some leftist cuck who cares more about how much a show talks about gender identity and shitty tumblr shipping then yeah they're better than ever.

>>92510592
Hey, /tv/.

>>92510634
I've not seen anyone complaining about going to Homeworld on /co/. I don't know about Tumblr and Reddit and I don't give a shit.

Someday,y'all are going to realize that this era of cartoons will be the most overrated since the 90s,the only reason why it was so good is because it succeded the worst period of cartoons of 2004-09

>>92506571
>Adventure Time
>aging well

That show went to shit the quickest out of the shows he "hilighted"

>>92510599
Counterpoints:
One, merchandise driven cartoons were dying out by this time. There were still there but the more popular shows were original IPs.

Two, the "mean spirited humor" was just a reflection of the times. The 90s were a very cynical time so the humor followed suit.

I will agree that the 90s saturated the market with idiot heroes.

Early-to-mid 2000s cartoons were better than both the 90s and the 2010s.

>>92510561
I just look more to the gems we had in season 4.

Sure you can look the filler but I want to remember the highlights like Mindful Education or the Out of this World arc.

>>92506166
No.

The 90s was the best decade ever for cartoons

Rugrats, Blue's Clues, CatDog, The Magic School Bus, Tiny Toon Adventures, Animaniacs, Batman, Arthur, SpongeBob SquarePants, The Wild Thornberrys, The Simpsons, Family Guy, South Park, Futurama, King of the Hill, Ren and Stimpy, Beavis and Butthead, Rocko's Modern Life, Daria, Dragon Tales, Little Bear, Hey Arnold!, Powerpuff Girls, Superman, Men in Black, Batman Beyond, X-Men, Spider-Man, Doug, Recess, Darkwing Duck, TaleSpin, Super Mario World, Adventures of Sonic the Hedgehog, Timon and Pumbaa, Gargoyles, Ed, Edd n Eddy, Dexter's Laboratory, Johnny Bravo, Courage the Cowardly Dog, Cow and Chicken, Space Ghost Coast to Coast, Franklin, etc.

Best decade ever. I could go on. My childhood:). Today's cartoons suck! People are nasty and rude in today's cartoons.

>>92506166
Well.
In some ways certainly.
Right now we get more complex characters, more intricate plotlines, more innovative antagonists than ever before in the medium.
He is right that this is a coming generation of show runners who grew up on a broad media diet and internet access.
Is what they do better per se?
Not exactly. It is seriously hampered by shit funding versus its own high ambitions, suffers from unique new hickups due to changed processes and is massively split in terms of who is even the target demographic.
It is hard to keep kids engaged with abstract states of existence and obscurely motivated actions like in Adventure Time, or complex psychological phenomena like in Steven Universe.
As a 28yo college graduate, I find Steven Universe very engaging, but I dare not guess what a child might think what the hell Pearl's problem could be.

>>92510821
>People are nasty and rude in today's cartoons.

Next time, don't make your bait so obvious.

>>92510821
Other great cartoons

Rocket Power, Angry Beavers, KaBlam!, Real Monsters, The Tick, Freakazoid, Donkey Kong Country, Jungle Cubs, Bonkers, Little Mermaid, Goof Troop, and Aladdin

>>92506166
>Is he right
It's Douge, what do you think

>>92506166
God I hate that video.

He goes on about saying about how modern cartoons are better than ever, yet completely forgets A:TLA was produced in the 2000s, he also brushes off the 2000s in general. And the 2010s shows he "hilighted" have either already ended or went to shit except for SU (and in LOK's case, both). I understand where he's trying to get at, but it all comes off as a idiot speaking from his ass thinking he knows what he's talking about, when he really doesn't.

Are you sure he's not autistic?

>>92510897
But I saw Grunkle Stan being money scheming jerk in an episode. And I saw Sanjay and Craig being jerks. As well as Pearl being a very whiny drama queen

>>92510821
The bottom of this post feels like it's copied from Yahoo! Answers or Facebook

>>92510821
>>92510905
>Mixes good and bad cartoons.
It makes the bait all the more obvious

>>92510905
Oh crap! I forgot Quack Pack. I liked that cartoon. I miss it:(

>>92510821
And what were people like in Animaniacs, if I might ask?
If the shadow of an allusion to a dick joke in Steven Universe perturbs you, what is your opinion on all the innuendo those three terrorists got into inbetween a violent squirrel and even more violent pigeons.

>>92510814
They definitely don't save it from the bin.

>>92506166
He is just pandering.

>>92510976
The Animaniacs were annoying to the people in the show, but charming to us viewers

And the innuendo was harmless. It's like the Looney Tunes. Well, except for the finger prince joke. But at least that had wit to it

>>92506166
The word "some" is key. There are always shitty cartoons, some of the shit on the top of today's pile just is slightly more fresh than the shit on the bottom of yesterday's pile.

>>92508357
Which ones

>>92510926
he is

>>92506166
It's all about opinions/preferences

I like Gravity Falls, Phineas and Ferb, Wander over Yander, and Harvey Beaks.

But I also like Gargyoles, The Extreme Ghostbusters, Mighty Max, BTAS, X-Men, Ren and Stimpy, and Hey Arnold.

But I guess I would have to lean towards """"""modern""""" cartoons because of Batman the Brave and the Bold, Spectacular Spider-Man, Justice League, TMNT 2003, etc.

Not just because of Steven Universe or Adventure Time.

>>92510905
Tom and Jerry Kids, Bobby's World, Eek! the Cat, Taz-Mania, Carmen Sandiego cartoon, Life with Louie, Silver Surfer, Iron Man, Avengers, Godzilla, Big Guy and Rusty, New Woody Woodpecker show, Road Roavers, Earthworm Jim, Waynehead, Histeria!, Detention, Spider-Man Unlimited, Fantastic Four 90s cartoon, and Incredible Hulk,

>>92511266
Is this post chain a copypasta?

>>92506435
Quick take care of yourself, shave and wash your face. 5 minutes can save your life.

>>92511266
However, in the 2000s, we got AWFUL cartoons about people being jerks to others and unsettling content. Shows like Billy and Mandy, Flapjack, Gym Partner, Chowder, Johnny Test, etc. were trying way too hard to appeal to people. Others like Phineas and Ferb and Squirrel Boy were plain BORING. 2010s is just as bad as the 2000s. 90s forever!!

>>92511266
>>92510905
>>92510821
But anon, what about Avatar and Samurai Jack. Those are very good 2000s cartoons.

>>92511343
I can't find a single damn good show in the 2000s, except ChalkZone, Time Squad, Sheep in the Big City, and Jimmy Neutron. Those were good shows.

>>92511393
Crap! those shows were awesome shows. I loved them. I'm sad that Jack is ending soon

>>92511343
>Billy and Mandy
>Flapjack
>Chowder
>awful

GET OUT!

>>92506179
>Yes but not any of the ones in that picture
Fuck you! Gravity falls is awesome.

>>92511343
>>92511579
I regret making this post.

>>92508551
me and my brothers were legit fans when it came out, we'd buy snacks and hang around to watch every new episode, i was 15 and they were in their early 20s, it was just so fresh and fun even for a kids show, we all dropped it when S4 came out, i see random episodes on cartoon network every now and then and just wonder what the hell happened.

>>92510561
All of season 4 has been great once it got to Steven's Dream, except for Rocknaldo.

>>92511917
I actually didn't find Rocknaldo as bad as people made it out to be. Still bad but not as bad as the uproar it caused indicated. I guess I just went in with really low expectations. But come on stuff like Tiger Philanthropist and Lion 4 were so bad. Especially Lion 4

>Was I supposed to be a girl dad?
>No we just picked names encase you were a boy or a girl
>I DON'T UNDERSTAND LET ME CRY HARDER

>>92512183
>Was I supposed to be a girl dad?
>No we just picked names encase you were a boy or a girl
>I DON'T UNDERSTAND LET ME CRY HARDER
That wasn't it at all.

>>92512237
It's a simple fucking concept of your parents making two tapes because they don't know if you'll be a boy or a girl and they turn it into an identity crisis for Steven. Just more cheap emotional manipulation the show has a bad habit of doing. Which cheapens what should be truly emotional moments.

>>92510931
This
He skips over 1999-2009 (which had a lot of good cartoons) to shill Adventure Time and Steven Universe for its leftist propaganda (and I say this as a liberal that likes SU and AT). Hell, he couldn't even be assed to finish the series.

>>92506528
>the 90s was more about quantity over quality.
And unfortunately the modern era has neither.

At least with the 90s, due to the amount of quantity, you were guaranteed to have at least five cartoons that you heavily enjoyed.

I'm fucking struggling just to find three right now. And there's a severe lack of diversity in style. We don't have a modern day Gargoyles or Jackie Chan Adventures. We haven't for awhile now.

>>92506166
yes and no. its all subjective. peorsonally for me, i should agree ith this statement. But to be honest 2010's have too many story arc shows. I get in to story arc shows then fall out because I don't care enough. But, the 90's just had episodes be episodes. Some of them really good like hey Arnold, courage, etc.

>>92512342
Again, your missing the point of the episode; Steven out right says what he's problem is at the beginning of the episode.

>>92512342
>. Just more cheap emotional manipulation the show has a bad habit of doing. Which cheapens what should be truly emotional moments.
Such as?

>>92510931
Didn't he also say that a lot of cartoons on today are better than all of the prestige dramas on TV?

>>92512526
>But to be honest 2010's have too many story arc shows.
I count three, with AT already ending.
People really overblow how many story arc shows there are now.

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>>92508259
>"It's amazing how all the things that are popular now are also incredibly brilliant!"
This is the part that pisses me off the fucking most. Steven Universe isn't some pinnacle of children's television writing, the only reason people think it is is because other people tell them. It's like people saying Stanley Kubrick is a genius in film school so everyone buys it and doesn't form their own opinion on the guy.

Fucking Clarence does slice of life way better than SU but no one would ever give it that credit.

>>92510776
That kind of bad taste takes effort, well done.

>>92512566
I get he wonders what his purpose is and if there's a reason Rose made him. But the whole episode was a dumb way to further that concept. You can't say him asking if she wanted him to be Nora wasn't the stupidest fucking thing. Steven isn't the smartest guy but he isn't that naive.

>>92512596
Steven stabbing Bismuth.

>>92512490
>At least with the 90s, due to the amount of quantity, you were guaranteed to have at least five cartoons that you heavily enjoyed.
>I'm fucking struggling just to find three right now.
I'm pretty sure that's more to personal taste and not looking hard enough than the eras themselves.

>>92512638
Adventure Time
Regular Show
Steven Universe
Star VS
Wander Over Yonder
Korra
Gravity Falls
Voltron
Earth's Mightiest Heroes
Sym-Bionic Titan
Young Justic
Ben 10
Hub's Transformers

Are all shows that had lore or adopted a story arc over time in the last 7 years.

>>92512679
>You can't say him asking if she wanted him to be Nora wasn't the stupidest fucking thing.
That was just an overemotional/rhetorical question.
I think.
It was basically him asking what Rose wanted him to be.

>>92512753
Like I said it was a fucking dumb way to go about exploring that.

>>92512774
As opposed to...?

>>92512736
I was counting currently running shows.
Also, many of the shows you listed were cancelled in favor of more episodic fare (i.e. Teen Titans Go).

Story arc shows may be getting more attention but episodic comedies still and probably will always outnumber them.

>>92512490
>We don't have a modern day Gargoyles or Jackie Chan Adventures. We haven't for awhile now.
Voltron is still ongoing.

>>92512736
>Are all shows that had lore or adopted a story arc over time in the last 7 years.
And how many episodic comedies/SoL shows have we had in those past 7 years?

>>92512787
Doing pretty much anything else.

>>92510821
>My childhood:)

Kudos to anyone not taking the normie bait

>>92512878
So you don't have a proper alternative and we're just talking out of your ass? Good to know.

>>92512812
Voltron is Netflix (and thank god. It could never survive on TTGo Network or The Spongebob Channel)

>>92512490
>We don't have a modern day Gargoyles or Jackie Chan Adventures. We haven't for awhile now.
So action cartoons then? CN was pretty much THE place for action cartoons, but they've been trying to snuff out every last on of them for reasons that escape me. Just look at their treatment of JL Action.
>>92512954
This guy knows what's up.

>>92512948
It's not my job to write their show. But I can call out stupid shit when I see it.

>>92511343
>Flapjack and Chowder
>Bad

Nigga I will end you

>>92508494
Star vs. the Forces of Evil

>>92512490
We still have a shit ton of quality and quantity right now. Just not in America, as American childrens television is dead.

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>>92512995
JLAction is heartbreaking. It's the kind of reboot TTGO should have been. It gets its humor not from dumb lowbrow humor but just from reaching back into those ridiculous parts of old comics and running with concepts like what if Lex Luthor got the power of Zeus and he was voiced by James Woods. And the action in it is actually choreographed well. They did a good job streamlining the designs so they can really stretch the budget they were given to actually give us good action in the cartoon.

I just want it to replace TTGO as the frontrunner of the channel. Please God.

>>92512948
Holy ad hominem fallacy Batman

>>92506166
No

>>92512995
>but they've been trying to snuff out every last on of them for reasons that escape me.
They don't make money, this is why shows get cancelled.

>>92513059
But you can't even say clearly why it's bad, just "I think it's bad therefore it is REEEEE!"
>>92513378
Do you even know what an ad hominem attack is?
>>92513411
They never even gave JLA a chance, and TTG isn't anything legendary ratings-wise.

>>92513608
I think I clearly stated why I think it was bad. Him figuring out his parents had a different name for him if he was born a girl is not as big a deal as they make it out to be in that episode. The way he keeps freaking out even after Greg explains it to him in plain English is dumb when his character has progressed enough in the show to not be that naive. The fact that they used that as a plot device to get them to the point about where they discuss what his purpose in life should be was lazy. Not to mention a lot of the episode was us watching essentially the same footage of the rose tape.

Also considering you expect I shouldn't be able to criticize the show unless I could make it myself is an ad hominem attack. It's an attack on me instead of my argument about the show. I'm not one to usually point out fallacies in arguments because they are clear to anyone with half a brain without highlighting them. But that was a valid criticism.

>>92506570
And SU doesn't have stiff animation?

>>92514008
Depends.
It's fluid most of the time.

>>92513861
>The way he keeps freaking out even after Greg explains it to him in plain English is dumb when his character has progressed enough in the show to not be that naive.
1. Pretty sure that's not exactly how it went down.
2. I would argue that Steven needs to keep naivety as a character flaw. Without that, people would accuse him of being a Mary Sue.

>>92514233
>2. I would argue that Steven needs to keep naivety as a character flaw. Without that, people would accuse him of being a Mary Sue.
They are clearly draining away his innocence and naivety which I personally like. He's gone from thinking he can save everyone and every enemy can become his friend to realizing sometimes you got to resort to fighting. Which is spelt out clearly in Mindful Education. So I really don't like it when his character growth is ignored or regressed like in Lion 4.

>>92514326
>So I really don't like it when his character growth is ignored or regressed like in Lion 4.
It's not really ignored or regressed, it's just the last of Steven's innocence being shown.
He'll probably change by end of season 5.

>>92513861
Steven was tormenting himself believing he had some kind of intended purpose, and considering the little bits of info about his mother that no one knew she left behind, the secrets kept from him, and the very nature of his existence he had every reason to be a fucking mess when he saw the same tape but with a different name.

For anyone else it would have been an odd thing, for Steven and the context around him it's perfectly natural to jump at a wierd conclusion.
>Also considering you expect I shouldn't be able to criticize the show unless I could make it myself is an ad hominem attack
Literally making shit up, I never once suggested thatt.

>>92514402
What is it that makes you think so?

>>92514548
Ironically enough, Lion 4, in tandem with I Am My Mom.
From what little we've seen, plus the rumor that someone is going to die, Steven not recover from Season 5.

>>92514599
>plus the rumor that someone is going to die
You don't actually believe them, do you?

>>92514618
Who knows?
Lars seems to be following the "make this character likable before killing him off" route.

>>92514186
Like?

>>92514648
Except not because his whole arc deals with reconciling with Sadie

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>>92506203
>implying that Bobby's World was bad

>>92506166
he was right 2 years ago.

>>92506166
That's vague as fuck
"previous entries of TV animation"

I mean any decade is gonna have good examples and bad examples, it's pretty dumb to really compare generations.
I mean anyone with half a brain would figure Adventure Time is better than 3 Friends and Jerry. Just like how Freakazoid beats out Almost Naked Animals.
New Scooby Movies beats that Skunk Fu and Pucca beats Super Harlem Globetrotters.

I mean unless you really look at entire wikipedia lists worth of cartoon shows and compare them all in some kinda autistic perfection
Your results can be skewed as needed.

>>92506759
yet i feel that theres an inherit diference when it comes to anime and cartoons

like they where made totally segregated from one another

>>92508551
>>92510721
It will be remembered as one of the great cartoons of this era, just give it time. It'll probably get some sort of reboot/revival in 15 or so years, but I don't see that happening for Steven Universe or Gravity Falls.
I really disagree that it went to shit, it's one of the most consistently good shows I've ever seen, considering its now seven year run.

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>>92506166
For some reason, looking at this picture makes me really, really, really annoyed. Something about it just irks me to no end.

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>>92517012
Sonic Boom. Now that's a good modern cartoon.