I can barely realte to Wonder Woman >It's female Superman

>She is like Superman
>but not really

>>92480534
Whoever gave her that shit to read is a jerk. I bet Diana could write much better erotic fiction, like Kamala.

>>92480534
Did that dude just call wonder woman a gigglesnort? The fuck is a gigglesnort?

>>92480574
kek

>>92480534
Why don't you try to read her instead of making an anti-Wonder Woman thread every two days?

I, for one, welcome comic books starred by a female that is NOT quirky and about said female taking care of cats.

>>92480915
that was the sound she made, not the word she said

>>92480534
She doesn't need to be nerfed, she just... isn't interesting.

The last actually good WW run was good because it had lots of other, more interesting characters. Diana herself was only enjoyable in her interactions with these characters.

>female superman
This is a stupid thing people who don't really know either character like to say.

The only things that she and superman have in common are that both can fly and have dark hair, that's it. She's not like him or even close in any other measurable way.

Casuals need to be fucking gassed

>>92480973
so basically Golgo 13?

the main character is awesome but boring. it's the interactions of the people around him or his targets that make the stories interesting to read.

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>>92480973
I know, right?

We are lucky that we have the interesting Carol Danvers and her non-stop wonderful stories.

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>>92481059

>>92481059
YAAS QUEEN
REMOVE XENO

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>>92480534
>Shield and Bracelets are pointless since she is bulletproof

her worth as a character died when supes started doing kryptonian martial arts

>>92481214
Power levels don't determine a character's worth.

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>>92481255
It does, this is why this is the best character ever written.

>>92480534
She is in too much of a weird spot. Stuck between the Greeks mythology and the craziness of the rest of the DC universe. Especially since she is a flying brick which is boring.

>>92481325
Thor and Hercules over at Marvel aren't all that bothered by being stuck between mythology and comics craziness.

>>92481340
Yes that is why they are totally A-lister. Oh wait no. Thor is a B lister and Herc is a Totally C.

Also Thor has the worst MCU properties so far. Ragnarok looks good but it is really stepping away from Thor 1 and 2.

Finally Marvel doesn't have so many prominent flying bricks to crowd the scene.

>>92481034
You know what?

That's a completely accurate comparison for most good WW stories. Diana herself, while badass and able to shine in a few standard moments that highlight said badassery, is uninteresting as hell.

She's kinda like The Major but without the internal angst over the validity of her humanity.

>>92481059
Carol is just lost potential most of the time
WW is just... Boring

>>92481273

He was a good deconstruction though.
"What if you had the power of Superman without his strength of character?'

>>92480534
Wonder Woman is just badBigBarda

They're both very similar but Barda is better in everyway
Better backstory
Better relationship
Better personality

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>>92480534
>Relating to fictional heroes instead of idolizing them and having their actions inspire you to better yourself
I can't tell if OP can really suck this many ducks but he's going for it.

>>92481109
Half of /co/ doesn't know her cat is an alien.

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>>92480534
>I can barely realte to Wonder Woman

>>92480986

Tell that to DC's editors and writers that like to portray them as "equals".

>>92481949

In the new CN cartoon Justice League Action, Wonder Woman come off as a much more aggressive and cunt-y barbarian lady than Big Barda.

Such a weird thing DC turned WW into.

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>>92481985

>having their actions inspire you to better yourself

Wonder Woman stopped being an inspiring character with Flashpoint, though.

>>92480898
The whole point of giving her that book is to troll her, since OG wonder woman was all about healthy, SSC BDSM

>>92482073
Because that's the only personality type that stands out for WW
She needs to be the bloodthirsty cunt or she's nothing
Superman is the Good
Batman is the Practical
Flash is the Funny
Hal is the Stupid

Where does that leave WW? She has to be the Violent or she's forgotten.

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>>92480534
>doesnt like cute things
>never dances or listens music
>no multiple uniforms
>shitty love life, not even sure she has a family(parents,siblings)

DC really needs to rework this character

>>92482030
"equals" is not "same"
They are equal as in the equal social standing and respect and whatnot, they can't be swapped around so Diana and Lois are lezzing out while Superman punches Circe in the tits

>>92482170

Dude, i was being sarcastic. They're not even equals in social standing or respect since Superman's always shown to be more important, respected and beloved than her.

DC's editors and writers force the "equal" bullshit just to excuse their forced pairing, but in reality Wonder Woman always play second bananas to him. Hell, more often than not she's made almost villainous so Superman can look better in comparison and look manly for taming her violent nature.

And her background doesn't matter in stories that feature the two. It's always about Superman mythos and cast, with her just being incorporated into it.

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Maybe if you'd had the guts to portray her in a more masculine light you could have played up the comedy.

Its kind of silly having a girl with that kind of strength and confidence. I'm not saying its a bad thing, or something she needs to apologize for, but it should be kind of funny and awkward.

This is a crap example and would never do this, but like, what if she drank a huge mug of beer and just belched really loud like a man?

See, that kind of shit would just be screechingly awkward, but it'd be fun to watch because of schadenfreude.

obviously, you'd have to be a little more subtle about it, but she should be more like pic related.

>>92482170
>>92482358

Even then normies see Wonder Woman as a female version of Superman because DC push for that angle.

>>92480534
>nerfed
If anything she was buffed. Classic WW loses her powers if tied up by a man. That has to be one of the lamest super weaknesses ever written.

>>92480534
>relating to characters

This is the most cancerous meme in existence. It's the reason why aliens have to be funny looking people and companies shit out raceswapped versions of popular characters.

>>92482413
It'd be better if they played up her Fish out of Water aspect

Maybe not chugging beer and belching, but instead secretly being being in wonder at many things of Man's World.
Keep her stoic outer shell, but have some moments where it's clear she's still reacting to things inside.

>>92481985
this

You have to have her take up space, hit on guys, lift heavy objects trying to show off, that sort of thing.

Don't make her men's idea of ideal feminist, make her a cartoon portrayal of all the masculine traits you see in guys.

Its incredibly sexist to expect women to have all these masculine characteristics without sacrificing some of their feminine ones.

Power often comes at the cost of grace, dignity and poise.

>>92480534
>Gigglesnort

>>92482490
then, if you're feeling adventurous, you can have her reveal a soft, feminine side that she doesn't show to others.

You always have her coming off like this ice-cold bitch. Why can't she be a little warmer and more friendly, like she-hulk?

Something I always hated is that Wonder Woman can fly. Never was a fan of it, seems not necessary.

>>92482542
It'd be fine if she was given Hermes' sandals instead of it just being innate

>>92482542

Is she so can hold hands and kiss Superman up in the clouds.

>>92480534
Does she have any real weaknesses?

She's basically supes without the kryptonite.

I mean granted she's not AS OP but still.

>>92482167
>doesnt like cute things
She likes little girls and ice cream.

>>92482533
because 'the girl who isn't girly is actually girly deep down' reinforces the idea that its just plain wrong for any girl to not have a drop of girly in them and that all any girl has to show for it if she opens up is that she really is like all the other girls on tv

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>>92480534
>people ship WW with superman
>not batman

>>92482575
Too bad your shit ship was so shit it was rectonned.

>>92482490
>Power often comes at the cost of grace, dignity and poise
Superman keeps all of those, though.

>>92482672
no, he really doesn't

>>92482643
It's for the best. SM/WW is shit because DC actually did try shipping them. BM/WW never became anything more than flirting and therefore never was subjected to such shittiness and that way you can't prove whether or not it's truly shit like SM/WW.

>>92482672

Because in Superman's case the focus is more on his character and humanity, while in Wonder Woman is all about her having a god-complex and being baddass af.

>>92482581
Depends. Does she still loses her powers when tied up by a man? I think the running joke of Justice League Action of her ending up tied in her own lasso may be kind of a reference to that Golden Age weakness.

>>92482616
Who cares what ideas it reinforces? It's a cape comic not a propaganda piece.

Also no, a character showing some traits doesn't mean everybody who doesn't is wrong, not everything is about you.

>>92482643
Wonderbat is objectively the right choice

Or at least Wonder lust after Bat.
Bruce is the opposite of everything she's been told about Men

For Batman, he can finally have a boolet proof mommy.

>>92481387
>Thor is a B lister
Very high B lister. He was more popular than iron man till the movie. Out of all of Marvel runs Simonsons run is in the top 5. Then you have JMS and Robert Rodi doing god tier OGNs

>>92482643
Bruce can have his choice of nearly any woman, cape or otherwise, walking around. Because of that I was never really fond of the BrucexDiana pairing. I like reading the characters flirt around the subject but out-right committing always felt weird to me. The best that Man's World has to offer is a crazy person who puts the cowl above personal relationships? It reads like the classic "only a woman can heal him" story only you know it'd end in failure.

I much prefer another broken individual like Selena to shore up with Bruce. Even if it's old and tired by this point.

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>>92480534
It took Venture Bros to get WW to be interesting.

Maybe play up her macho side and her confusion with secretly liking girly things?

You know, write her like a guy who's not comfortable yet with their feminine side. It'd be keen.

>>92482721

There were a few published stories that did, but the main difference there is that the writers actually focused on the dynamic.

The thing that screw SM/WW is DC insistence on pursuing the "gods walking among us" angle, which is pretty shitty. If DC instead focused on their more human aspects it would be a lot better.

>>92482124
Not so. Wondy is love and compassion. She will throw down, for sure. But look at how her and Cheetah met in the Rebirth arc. Cheetah attack but Wondy saw the pain in her and just hugged her until she cried. That is WW

>>92482776
>The best that Man's World has to offer is a crazy person who puts the cowl above personal relationships?
That's exactly why Diana would go after him

She's been told all her life that Men are unrestrained barbarians. No honour, no control. They rape and pillage and destroy.
It's what they do.

But Bruce is not like that at all. He's very powerful, but precise and in control. There's no wildness in him.

>>92482812
Now that's just being sexist

And it overlaps with Supes

>>92482828
>>92482776

The best thing about Batman and Wonder Woman interactions is that they're two competitive know-it-all that like pushing each other's buttons for fun.

You don't need to have them fucking to have that dynamic.

>>92482542
I prefer that to the invisible plane that always invisible but let's people see you flying it.

>>92482487
>It'd be better if they played up her Fish out of Water aspect
This might work.

One of the core issues of the character is that she is entirely made out of outdated features. This makes her generally unrelatable to everyone cause the fact she IS out of touch at her core is never addressed. Even the fact she is a warrior doesn't jive with anything. The modern world has no place for the warrior mindset. It can even be hindering.

Her character might go places if she were forced to grapple with the idea the world left her (and her people) behind before anyone even knew they existed.


>>92482542
General setting power creep. Having at least one travel power is necessary now. Vehicles are cumbersome, and being carried to all your fights is demeaning. While Batman can't cross countries without his vehicles, he can still conveniently show up anywhere in his own city via grappling hook. Being a foot slogger in DC isn't a good position.

>>92483030

>Having at least one travel power is necessary now.

You know that before the JL had teleporters and now Cyborg always use his boomtubes, right?

>>92483056
Characters have to hold up on their own, anon. Not depend solely on the justice league's resources. Also, at will boom tube access counts as a travel power. I'm counting having physics defying grappling hooks as a travel power, after all.

>>92482124
>>92482812
>Where does that leave WW? She has to be the LESBIAN or she's forgotten.

FTFY

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>>92483002
I think Her having super speed and being able to jump good is better. Make her feel more ground based which fits her fighting style. Save the air DBZ shit for Superman.

>>92482797
I liked how her pet name for Samson was Heracles.

I also like how conflicted Samson was about being attracted to her and how secretly man-crazy she was in spite of being so outwardly misandric .

Unironically strong and independant, but loves men.

Also if she has kids with Samson their children will be the most badass motherfuckers alive.

>>92482844
Fuck you with your "if a woman ever does something stereotypically feminine it's sexist" mindset.
People like you are why she's portrayed as a cold bitch, because making her loving and caring is sexist.

>>92483136

She should jump really high.

Seriously, the power boost she gained over the years to be more like Superman so DC would have the excuse to market them as a pair has been damaging the character. She used to have a bunch of neat little powers that were over time dropped all because they didn't fit the Superman mold. For example her ability to talk with animals. Thank God Rucka brought that shit back.

So anything that can distance Wonder Woman from Superman would do her good.

>>92482124
This thoughtline might be a big part of why she's unpopular. She doesn't need to be bloodthrist and a huge bitch just to stand out. Strong and Gentle are qualities that are beloved in ALL super heroes. Even Batman, despite being the criminal boogeyman, has a gentle touch when fear isn't necessary.

In her own books, she doesn't act crazed, but put her in a book with other heroes and suddenly she has to be a murdercunt to 'stand out'.

No wonder she's not popular.

>>92483204
If Diana had a scene dedicated to her Hulk-jumping and smashing into shit ala The Avengers or that one Justice League film where the Justice League formed against Darkseid then the public would cream all over her.

>>92483203
But she's The Woman
If she's The Woman and The Compassionate Loving One, then it's sexist

Blame there not being any other women in the A list

>>92482797
>Right breast removed.
>Amazons used to remove boobs to ease the act of firing arrows.
>Dat nice little detail.

>>92483210

You want to know why Wonder Woman has to be bloodthirsty now to stand out? Because of what this anon said >>92483204.

Wonder Woman before used to strong, reasonable and gentle much like Superman, but she also had a different power-set and various cool little things that made her stand out in the stories in spite of that. Ever since DC started to edit her so she could be more like Superman in everything she ended up becoming too generic. So in an attempt to set her apart a bit they change her core personality. Now she's like him power-wise, but bloodthirsty, which makes her different enough.

Like you said, Batman always have a gentle side, but he's different enough from Superman so it doesn't mess things around. You can have the two in a story together and one doesn't step on the other's boundaries.

>>92483251
No, it isn't sexist. Other women exist, hell, other women exist in the JLA.

Even if she was it still wouldn't be sexist for her to have stereotypical female traits. What is it racist that Cyborg is an athlete too?

>>92483365
>What is it racist that Cyborg is an athlete too?
If it was basketball, it would have been, yeah

>>92481985
False dichotomy.

The best and most inspirational characters are always also relatable to some extent.

Gilgamesh's fear of mortality and hubris is relatable, which makes his coming to an understanding that immortality is only obtained through fairness and good deeds, thus becoming a better person to aspire to, more engaging and powerful.

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>>92483247
This post gives me an idea.

Put emphasis on titan-like power through technique. Don't have her be a brick that punches things. Go grappling, and I mean insane high power fantasy grappling. If anyone has played Dungeon Fighters Online, the female grappler comes to mind. Go look up a video if you need to. Bombastic, powerful, but play it up as technique based. She's strong, but not strongarming people completely.

So now you've given her damage potential without the need to play arms race with SUPERMAN. Which poisons her character when she has to do that.

It might also set her up for having legit reasons for nonlethal takedowns when she's not fighting someone who's also nigh invulnerable. She just tones down the techniques for normies for easy victories. Giving her something of a gentle hand against anyone who doesn't warrant overwhelming force.

>>92483313
But Diana is only really blood thirsty in team books. In her own solo comic she's level headed and interesting--primarily because she has a diverse cast she can bounce off of. But I'm only basing that statement off of the WW comic I read which was her New 52 issue...25 or so. She may have changed for all I know.

>>92483436
>Titan-like power through technique
I thought it was universally agreed that Diana's technique is the one thing she has over the other members of the Justice League. That if Superman isn't going for blood then Diana could utilize centuries worth of martial arts/grappling and curb him. It's the only real way to set her up against offensive juggernauts like Captain Marvel. You have to outwit and outlast.

>>92483512
That technique rarely, if even ever, comes across on the page. It feels like one of those things that's stated but not really felt. She's more of a brawler, and when she's using a weapon she's just strongarming it.

Thus you put emphasis on a combat style that requires technique to pull off. Though I expect most artists won't be able to illustrate grappling in the slightest for the same reason they can't make her technique convincing in other ways.

>>92483436
I wanna see her german suplex some iron clown's head into the concrete like shit's in disneyland

>>92483436

Wonder Woman being depowered to her golden age levels would do wonders for the character, since it would help to make her stand out.

The problem, though, is that female readers and feminists complain every time Wonder Woman is seem to be less than Superman, because THEY DO see Wonder Woman as the female version of Superman. They see Superman as a big and iconic male character, so they think Wonder Woman has to be a female counterpart including powers and everything. It's a constant dispute. If Wonder Woman is made to less than Superman, they feel that women as losing their ground.

That's the real reason Wonder Woman suffered a power boost and you've this forced idea of Superman and Wonder Woman being equals and two of a kind no matter how little sense that makes in reality. It's made to please the female readers.

>>92483574
You're not thinking big enough. Successive chained suplexes turning her in to a rolling machine of destruction, and any opponent the two bodies run in to also gets wrecked to shit and thrown away from them.

>>92483408
It's not like the NFL is 70% black or anything.

>>92483512

>But Diana is only really blood thirsty in team books.

That's the point, though. They do that in team books to make her stand out.

>>92480534
The greco-roman gladiator amazon is fast becoming a hard sell, like cowboys.
They should try and modernize it a bit
Even Atlantis get to be portrayed as this advance magical society

I don't think she's ment to be relatable
More like an example or guide

>>92483610
Yeah, but it's not considered a "black guys game" like basketball is. /sp/ likes to call it "ape hoop"

Besides, Tom "Greatest handegger who ever lived" Brady is very white, so football will always be somewhat consider a white game

>>92483574
>>92483604
I thought you guys were talking about technique as in competent fighter, not flashy meme WWE shit.

>>92483685
Why isn't it both?

>>92480943
Hey now, you leave power girl out of this, its not her fault she barely has any materail

>>92482643
We've had this discussion a million times. The only decent trinity ship is Superbat. Wonderbat is only good in the DCAU. SM/WW is never good. End of story.

>>92483666
/sp/ meme names really are a reference, after all everybody respects deathmarch don't they?

Being an athlete is a black stereotype, regardless of the sport.

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>>92483594
There probably does need to be a female icon of superman's equal. A strong, but ultimately inhumanly gentle, paragon of incorruptible moral values. Someone who has great power but shows not even a hint of temptation to use it. Like using it for good is just something the character assumes is an automatic thing.

Frankly I don't think Wondy, as a character, has the potential to live up to that desire the female fanbase is hungry for.

>>92483685
competent fighting technique is you hit them without getting hit

literally everything else is just for show

>>92483713
I think he meant Captain Marvel. Or Spider-Woman though she doesn't have a cat. Or--does Batgirl have a cat? Haven't read her since she made that stupid outfit change.

>>92483703
It just isn't.

>>92483731
Power Girl.

>>92483731
The female fanbase doesn't know what they want.

>>92483714

Joe Kelly wrote a nice romantic little arc between BM and WW in 90's JLA, but then again Kelly is a great writer.

>>92483685
>>92483703
Yeah, why not both? Real world techniques can be powered up to super hero levels. Think big. Up the flash and up the impacts. You don't just shoulder throw someone. You shoulder throw someone and crater their ass.

>>92483733
Not getting hit is bare minimum for not looking like a complete fucking moron. There is a clear difference in different real world combat styles, but most artists know so little of body dynamics that even the 'martial artists' are depicted as street brawlers.

>>92483765
>The ... fanbase doesn't know what they want.
FTFY

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>>92483731
I don't understand your need for posting that image, but I too will post a hug-themed image involving Clark and Bruce.

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>>92483765
If you asked guys what they wanted, they probably wouldn't describe the likes of Superman either, but he's still a cultural icon. You gotta give the people what they don't even know what they wanted, but realize after reading it how much they needed it.

>>92483798
Because meme suplexes are literally just for show, regardless of how OP you are it's a dumb way to fight.

>>92483204
Pls someone list cool old powers.

>>92483731
>>92483836

How can writers write Superman and Batman, characters that should have nothing in common, so well together, but fail to make Superman and Wonder Woman click? It's bizarre.

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>>92483836
>Snyder ruined this dynamic

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>>92483836

I just like hugs.

>>92483731
You can't make her gentle, that's sexist, she has to be a bitch, that's much better for women's image apparently.

>>92483854
It's just one example. There's numerous martial arts that involves throws, and plenty of variety in them, to make a coherent super hero fighting style out of them.

>>92483870
>>92483868
>I made the mistake of posting an image far more interesting than my post.

I agree, though.

>>92483739
I didnt realize so many supers had cats as pets, i guess you have to settle with second best when your career puts all family and loved ones at risk

>>92483902
I'm aware, I'm just pointing out that Anons picked a terrible example to illustrate WW's superior technique.

>>92483929
Comic book writers are mostly a certain kind of person, and they are the kind of people who would have a cat and be single.

>>92483942
>german suplex
>terrible example

I disagree.

>>92483929
>Superman has a dog

It says so much about him, comparatively

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>>92483873
I do too, anon.

>>92483969
There's also a Super Horse, right?

>>92482616
Girls are girly! Thats why they are called Girls!

>>92483942
It's still a technique. It doesn't have to be realistically masterful. Just something to draw an easily visible difference between how she fights and how other BRICK style characters fight. Grappling particularly has an undercurrent of being usable even with a power gap between opponents, freeing her of the need to arms race other characters with constant power upgrades. The suplex is just having fun with the idea.

>>92483980
That wants to fuck Super Girl, yes

>>92484004
Wait, what?

>>92483969
It says he has better taste in pets, not only that, but its a super dog, how many cats are super cats?

>>92480534
>consecuences
>consequences
Children these days

>>92483887

It's not that.

Wonder Woman's usually gentle in her solo stories or when teaming up with others characters not named Superman, but when she is feature in a story with Superman she's turned into a cunt because writers feel they're too much alike. So in the need to contrast them to create a workable dynamic, she becomes a cunt.

If she was a bit more different, maybe she wouldn't suffer that treatment, but like it has been said in the thread female readers forced DC to turn Wonder Woman into a female version of Superman in almost everything and they bitch every time DC tries to change that in any way. In the reboot when they revealed she was a goddess the female readers cheered because now she was as godly as Superman. They also believe she can only date Superman, because anything else would be demeaning. For them is all about making Wonder Woman equal to Superman in everything.

But in a story that creates complication, specially in stories that are about Wonder Woman AND Superman. So that's why the workable solution is to play the cunt-y behavior. At least by being a cunt she stand out a bit more and can work together with Superman in a story. The sword and shields that WW has been brandishing a lot everywhere? Same thing. They gave her a sword and shield because they feel portraying her as a warrior chick helps her be a bit more different from Superman.

It's something DC has struggled a lot.

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>>92483758
She's cute and strong, but does she really fit the bill? Her backstory is as much a mess, if not more, than Wondy's over the years.

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>>92484043

>>92483958
That doesn't make you less wrong.

>>92482167
>never dances or listens to music
There's more than a few issues where she's seen at rock clubs and in mosh pits.

>>92484078
It was a different time.

>>92480534
Okay.
Here is the litmus test for a true feminist.

Can you picture her farting without laughing?

>>92484058
Never heard of Streaky?

>>92481387
>talking about the films
You're so casual I can literally smell /tv/ on you.

>>92483971
>you cannot stop this hug
>there is no escape from this friendship

Maybe Wonder Woman doesn't have to be so girly, maybe? Maybe not have her look like she'd be absolutely pissed if she broke a nail? Maybe cut her hair short so bad guys don't yank on her hair? Maybe have look like shes not on her period 24/7?

Frankly, this shit is on you guys. Its just dumb clueless white guys being dumb clueless white guys. For once, the stereotype holds up.

>>92484229
You can't really adjust the appearance of such an ancient character without a huge backlash.

Hair pulling is a meme. It's only good if neither person has any idea of how to fight. Going for the hair creates too many openings and opportunities.

>>92484131
Fuck. I wish I had that one reaction image where Wonder Woman hears distress somewhere and prepares to fly off but uses farting to propel herself. That shit was funny. What do I win?

>>92484060
But there's a conundrum as playing Diana as a cunt alienates potential fans. I have a cousin who loves it when Diana smashes into things and beats up people. The animated team-up in the film that featured Big Barda was top notch. Diana slicing through Para-Demons was another cool moment. But then she opens her mouth and as he puts it "she comes off like a villain. Everytime she attempts to justify something an extreme action she's taken she comes off like a villain attempting to explain their side of the argument." And, yeah, she does come off that way when in the hands of someone that doesn't get her character.

>>92484295
Hair pulling is definitely not a meme if it's long enough to be grabbed securely

It has no more risk than any other strike to the face but will be an automatic win if you make it

>>92484364
>But there's a conundrum as playing Diana as a cunt alienates potential fans.
Diana as a cunt makes for a better overall story but it comes at the cost of her likeability

Are crossover stories just meant to be advertisement for each character? Or should they focus on telling a good story first?

>>92484401
>Diana as a cunt makes for a better overall story but it comes at the cost of her likeability

How do you break that endless waltz?

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>>92483868
one is a foil to another by being similar yet opposite. compared to wonder woman and superman, who are similar in most ways really. without femininity, love, nature, compassion, and culture and tradition, wonder woman is just a B-grade superman. batman is generally an antithesis to superman in methods and ideals.
i've been going through the wonder woman vol 2 series and it highlights her as a woman more than a crimefighter/world police and without any need for secrecy, just preaching peace and dodging bullets. she has open human connections and is actively pushing a message rather than speaking with actions and raw power. you get conflicts and female interactions, familial love and friendships, you get her reactions to the new world, and the fascinations of people with her and her culture. she's a person out of time, and that's what makes the comic so appealing and interesting compared to others that just sell her as a crimefighter -- but a woman! she's simply far more interesting as a person and a diplomat than an amazon warrior coming to earth to obliterate evil men and women.

>>92480534
>Wonder Woman discovers she has an intense fetish for choking
>she starts whispering to supervillains when they fight to rough her up a bit
>hides her ryona hentais on a thumb drive for when Hippolyta comes over
>one day goes out and realizes she's wearing her good girl collar
Why does no one want to write the 'Amazonian awkwardly discovers her masochist kink' story?

What does anyone see in this character? I mean does anyone care besides the fact that she is a half naked Amazon easy to fantasize about?

>>92484422
You have to bring someone else in to say "I think they should die"
There's no character in the regular League would say that

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>>92484463
hmmm

>>92484422
make her a funny cunt

>>92483739
What outfit change?

>>92484543
>turn her into Harley
No thanks

>>92484078
Wow...what the fuck

>>92480534
Bleach her skin and have the police attack her to make it more relateable.

>Stop resisting, WOMAN

>>92484608
Burnside, presumably.

>>92484449
>she's simply far more interesting as a person and a diplomat than an amazon warrior coming to earth to obliterate evil men and women.

Underrated.

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>>92484281
>Its just dumb clueless white guys being dumb clueless white guys


Yeah, maybe we should all admit we don't know what the fuck women like or what and call it a /thread and stay in our lane by posting about stuff we know about.

Like hugs.

>>92484832
So Grant Morrison Wonder Woman?

I loved it too

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>>92484422

Stop portraying her together Superman for a time. She only behaves like a cunt when close to him, because Superman has to always be the nicest character in a story. So since Wonder Woman can't be that, she's turned into a cunt.

For example, Batman's a huge asshole, so when there are stories where Batman and Wonder Woman are interacting, Wonder Woman can be the nicest one in the duo while Batman's the asshole who learns to behave. The same goes for when she teams-up with Aquaman. Aquaman is shown as arrogant and territorial leaving the path clear for Wonder Woman to be nice and understanding.

But when she's with Superman? Pic related.

>>92484860
Guys like hugs too. I'm just picky, but maybe that makes me like them more

>>92482073
>>92482124
I've said this before and I'll keep on saying it: DC needs to write WW as an actual loving pacifist who would prefer to solve conflict non-violently if it's at all possible and have her actions actually follow through with this. She should be a negotiator, both on her own and as her role on the JL. It's the best possible thing to do with the character. But DC is full of hacks who just stress her warrior woman aspect and have her kill motherfuckers left and right angrily for some reason.

>>92484529
Yeah, I know the precedent, but it's fucking dumb that she makes this sexist divide on kinks that everyone today accepts, and could just as easily be explained as her culture enforcing the idea. It's like raceplay. You go about your life being this normal person with normal goals, all big on social issues, and then one fucking tumblr blog and you realize how hot it is to fantasize about being called a nigger and sucking white dick until you pass out. And you don't know what this means, and you have to process the shame and either bury it or come to terms with compartmentalizing fantasy and relaxation with reality and non-personal interaction.

It's both a path of humor and an important lesson. It's funny because big hunky amazon with a cultural legacy of female domination, the one everyone would assume is one Dworkin lecture away from ripping dicks off, being secretly into bdsm and ERP, and all of her sisters who find out are all ABSOLUTE HARAM, but also a lesson that 'kinks aren't culture and intersectionality is an exercise designed to cause insanity'. We've gotten to a stage where hypocrisy is everywhere, because we've grown politically more incensed and divided so of course you trying to get about the day to day minutia and little satisfactions will make you a traitor. Except they don't, and they never did, because culture was more complicated than that and we all just forgot. If the way out of that is a panel where Wonder Woman goes home and reads kinky mom-porn books with her face the color of a beet, I'd take it over what we've got so far.

>>92484463

>one day goes out and realizes she's wearing her good girl collar

That reminds me that her Nu52 had her wearing a silver choker. It make her look a bit slutty.

Too bad nothing was done with that.

>>92484529
Wonder Woman being openly degenerate is great.

>>92484878
See I like what she's saying here but that line of thinking should be coming from someone like Black Adam, not fucking Wonder Woman.

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>>92484775
Okay, I'm looking at it, and I see several things. They got rid of her prominent breasts and high-heels, which I'm all for, and gave her an interesting utility belt. They kept the short cape and overall retained her silhouette, which is good.

However, what they did wrong was that it looks like a 4-year-old's last-minute Halloween costume. The whole thing isn't one suit. Her laced boots are seperate, her too-short gloves are seperate, her pants and jacket(?) are seperate, and she seems obsessed with taking selfies in half her pictures.

It's a step in the right direction, but as a redesign, it still needs work.

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>>92484878
>or example, Batman's a huge asshole, so when there are stories where Batman and Wonder Woman are interacting, Wonder Woman can be the nicest one in the duo while Batman's the asshole who learns to behave
Pic related

>>92484878
The problem here is not wonder woman, it's writers riding supermans dick. It's nearly as bad as batwank. They can't be wrong so the rest of the DC universe has to suffer

>>92484937
Upboat

>>92485109

Yeah, when it comes to character wank Superman and Batman are up there.

Wonder Woman isn't the only one who suffers character-wise because of Superman. The Flash is another big one. In his solo stories the Flash's smart and powerful as hell, but when he's near Superman? He becomes dumb like a sack of potatoes and considerable weaker than Superman. He's only good for to speed away and do crowd-control outside the panel. I don't even have to mention Captain Marvel/Shazam, yeah?

>>92485227
Or why do the green lanterns suck so much next to superman? I wouldn't mind superman brought down a bit..if it had a good story

>>92485091
Apparently every member of the Batfamily has to reinvent their design sooner or later. It's just you have Red Hood, Nightwing and Red Robin which are all distinctive appearances but once Barbara decides to try her hand at it she comes off like a complete amateur. I could buy that outfit as something Barbara designed as a homage to Batman before their meeting--not post. It look straight up like you mentioned--a last minute effort at a Halloween outfit.

And then, year later, didn't Marvel bite this concept when it came to redesigning Jessica Drew? It wasn't amazing then, it's not super great now.

>>92481908
He sentenced himself to a life of utter shame and failure and erased himself from the minds of all those who knew and loved him...

Lack of strength my ass

>>92485547
>>92485091
That was the explanation in universe; she lost all her previous costumes in a fire and had to start from scratch. For whatever reason, she's still using that costume in Rebirth despite having the funds to get a better one.

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>>92485547
I really like how she was done in the Arkham game, minus the heeled boots.

>>92483299
Amazons are fictional, anon. There is no evidence of any Anatolian society of female warriors. The closest we know of is Scythia, which was a male-dominated society of steppe nomads. There is some documentation that Scythian females were allowed into their armies, but there is no mention of them mutilating themselves for archery. Self-mutilation is entirely unnecessary to be an effective female archer, anyways. Watch the Olympics.

>>92486124
Uh, I never referred to it as being factual? I was referring to part of the mythos surrounding the Amazons. Where in that post did I make the assumption that they ever existed or that anyone actually does that in reality to help their bow-arm???

>>92486233
>Amazons used to remove boobs to ease the act of firing arrows
>Amazons used to
This is phrased as a statement of fact. Add, "according to myth," at the beginning.

>>92486469
What are you, the grammar police?

>>92486469
He wouldn't need to say "according to myth" because Amazons are categorically mythological.
It would be a tautology

It'd be like saying "According to myth Cyclopes had 1 eye".

>>92480534
Do you need to relate to every character to like them?

>>92486681
Not that anon but say what you mean. It makes everyones life easier

>>92484878
>>92485096
What happens when you do the Trinity?

>>92480915
It's similar to a Snuffleupagus.

>>92486973

Wonder Woman's still show as a cunt, since Superman's there. When it comes to stories featuring the Trinity Superman is shown as the good cop, Wonder Woman is shown as the bad cop (the hardass that wants to drop muthafuckers), and Batman is shown as the police chief that bark orders and gets frustrated to the point of heart attack.

I'm talking more about the New 52 here, the Rebirth Trinity book is treating Diana nicely. Rebirth in general has been good for WW.

>>92481985
One leads to the other.

So both are good, but too much of idol heroes and you get boring characters.

wonder woman is femdom. Thats why you buy it. Not every femdom needs to be a catty bitch or total diva. Just give her a sense of humor for fucks sake. Let her have her kicks and kinks and stop trying to force her to be submissive. Let her be confortable with who she is and stop trying to ship her with strong male leads. Give her a submissive partner and take your shit out of the basement. Its 2017, no one cares that you like spanking and tying up your husband when the guy next door is getting his dick sawed in half and turned into a hollowed out grapefruit.

Wonder woman is so fucking vanilla, its unreal how conservative these writers are. They all think she wants a big strong man when what she really wants is to get off beating them up and making them submit.

>>92482751
>Bruce is the opposite of everything she's been told about Men

What the fuck are you talking about?

>>92480534
This is the problem with young writers and their idiotic notions of young love that lead to kids looking up to rolemodels who are clingy, pushy, and just downright condescending towards women.

Superman wears magic underwear. He should not be teaching your kids about romance.

Look, thats ALL this is. This entire industry is just fetish bait. Its about sexualizing violence and suppressing homosexual urges.

90% of all artists are queer. They spend all day dealing drawing the naked human body, they have seen so many tits its unreal.

This notion that wonder woman is basically just a submissive slut underneath has got to stop.

She a top.
A TOP!

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I mean, ffs, you don't go around beating the crap out of men wearing a onesey and ankle boots if you don't enjoy it. But you can't point that out without offending somebodies right wing sensibilities. Femdom is the rights versions of badwrongfun

I just don't understand how DC could butcher one of their most iconic characters in the span of 8 -sh years.

>>92487597
Is this a memepaste or are you projecting?

>>92487883

She was sacrificed in DC's attempt to make Superman popular.

>>92487883
She's never been "iconic" like Superman or Batman

She's always just been "Yeah, she there's and stuff"
No really knows a damn thing about her because no backstory or personality ever sticks for long

>>92482095
Who was in the right/less of a retard in that fight, Hal or Diana

>>92488127

Hal, of course, since he only wanted to stop her from sperging the fuck out.

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>>92481059

>She's female superman

Already stopped reading.

>>92482124
That bothers the fuck out of me, since she was created to be the epitome of all the strong, good things about being a woman.

>>92488906
>since she was created to be the epitome of all the strong, good things about being a woman.
Being... dominated by a man?

>>92485634
I like it because in my mind? *That's* Batgirl. Barbara wouldn't need a reason to re-invent herself beyond the fact that other members of the Batfamily did. It feels out of place and cheap. But when I voice my opinion I realize I come off like that bitter old guy that hates change.

>>92480898

Can Kamala can actually write?.

>>92489867
It's all handing and eye staring because explicit sex scenes are haram

Unfortunately her alternate universe versions leave a more lasting appeal than her more natural versions, even if terrible.

Like she was alright in the JL cartoon but even then they managed to give her some catty moments.

>>92482095
>Wonder Woman stopped being an inspiring character with Flashpoint, though.

>This faggot didn't read the actual WW N52 book.

>>92484060
Diana should be written like a slightly less expansive(and less killy) Cutie Honey, IMHO.

Why does Thor work, but not Wonder Woman?

>>92480898
Diana would write gay fanfics

>>92493223
Man on man?
It'd like to believe it's hilariously in correct
Like
>Which man's penis opens to accept the other's?
level

>>92484229
>Maybe Wonder Woman should be a man, like Superman

that's the whole problem here

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>>92488296

>>92480986
Don't be daft. He means she's a flying brick.

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>>92493366

>>92482124
>>92482812
>>92484909
The problem is that Wonder Woman as she should be is antithetical to the Shared Universe where nothing really changes or ends.

Like Superman and Batman both have their variants of the "Never-Ending Battle" but Wonder Woman stands for rehabilitation and redemption above all else which isn't really allowed to happen in shared universe stuff where the villains always have to be ready to slotted into different stories.

>>92480534
>she is bulletproof
No. Recent issue showed rifles definitely penetrate her.

>>92493732
WW needs her own 'Whatever Happened to...' or 'All-Star Superman,' that gives us a definitive story with a beginning, middle, and end that defines her character.

>>92494100
Yeah, but in 5 years they'll change it all again

Aside from being from a magic island of lesbians found by Steve Trevor, nothing of her origin is consistent

>>92480973
>She doesn't need to be nerfed, she just... isn't interesting.
It also doesn't help things when she seems to get retconned back to square one and then built up into something else with each new writer. God, how many times have we gone over he origin in the last decade now?

>>92482124
Wonder Woman is also the Good. But Superman is Gooder so she doesn't really stick out. OP's Female Superman comment isn't quite correct but it does have some truth.

What if instead of the love interest crashing into the island she crashes into the island when she was a kid and gets adopted by the amazons.

How shit is this origin story now?

>>92495768
I can relate to that

>>92495768
A fine Elseworlds for a inversion on her story

But how she gonna have powers and shit?

>>92495841
Similar to shazam but having zeus as the main one for whatever reason.

>>92495841
Magic ancient weapons like Perseus shield and Herakles sword also amazon training

>>92495841
Here's an idea, make Wonder Woman into Disney's Hercules.

>>92495952
that sounds like Just Imagine Stan Lee's Wonder Woman ...

>>92495952
>>92495971
>Diana is just a human but she gets relics and treasures and blessings to make her superhuman

I can dig it actually. Like it really accentuates her crusade for justice or whatever. She's not inherently powerful or a hero. She chose to be and made it so she could.

Now the big question.How should her personality be like?

>>92496137
they could play the naive/suspicious girl in a different world for comic relief and sassy warrior as main

>>92496137
She should be honour based without any qualms about execution

This is gonna trigger a lot of people who think she should be "Miss Love and Peace" and shit

But she's been raised to think that Men are animals and that the only reason why Themiscyra is a paradise is because it's hidden.

When she goes out into the world, she should see it as ugly as fuck and decide that it needs fixing.
I'm not saying be a murdering asshole.
But if there's a discussion about what to do with a murderer, execution should be her choice.
I imagine that that's what Amazons do to their own criminals. Execution

That point of view but with a secret love of all the conveniences of Man's World.
Like on her off days she wraps herself in super fuzzy clothing, eats ice cream, and watches stupid TV
But she never tells anyone of that because they'd think she's being hypocritical

>>92480534
Diana would write historical fiction, like Game of Thrones only 10x better, set in ancient Greece/Rome and unlike butterball she would actually get around to finishing it.

>>92493223
Who does she ship?

>>92488906
>she was created to be the epitome of all the strong, good things about being a woman.
This. So very this. The very last thing she should be is fucking Goddess of War.

>>92482487
Haha I'm picturing her being a fushoji. She's in a group meeting, the comic camera enters the female gaze and closes up on superman and batman talking. One panel shows batman's glossy lips saying something, another panel of superman's hand on Batman's shoulders

And then the two become shadowed figures on the foreground as the focus goes to wonder woman's face. And then she blushes

>>92496413
>B-batman shouldn't let down his guard down like that. A casual touch on the shoulder can turn into a choke hold before anyone can react. It's foolish. Batman is a fool.

>she looks away blushing and straightens her chestplate

she's just a porn character. the creator based her off his live in dominatrix

>>92495768

Here's an idea.

She can still be Zeus' daughter, but Ares, in jealousy, get's Circe to remove her powers. However, Circe doesn't like Ares all that much, so she keeps a little bit of her godhood in DIana and leaves her at Hippolyta's doorstep where she is adopted.

She's raised like a normal Amazon, but is clumsy and breaks things a lot.

She's kind of an outsider with the Amazons and tries to find her place, so she goes and sees Pan to train to be a hero because she wants to go the distance.

Eventually she just becomes this big goofball who can jump good and punch hard and stuff.

Basically just a female version of video related:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yOL-EJZjmp0

>>92496408
Athena.. Artemis...

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>>92483765
>Women don't know what they want.
News at 8.

I'd be okay with WW and Bats or Bats and Supes. WW and Superman just seems pointless and dumb because as so many people have pointed out they're too damned close to being the same character now.

>>92496780
and Nike.

>>92496752
The major difference you bring up is that she's a smiling and happy person

When was the last time Diana was the one person in the group to have a big smile when everyone else was frowning.

She should be naive and happy about being in Man's World.
Have you seen that Brendan Fraiser movie "Blast from the Past"? He was raised in a bunker by his parents who thought the Russians killed everyone
But he comes out and finds a brave new world full of wonders.

That's why Diana should be. But with super powers.
She's just glad to be here and to help out.
So I guess like Supergirl

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>>92488951
She's a failed clone of Hestia?

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>>92484058
Don't forget Dex-starr

>>92480534
you aren't meant to relate to her
you are meant to want to fuck her

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>>92496964
i don't want to fuck a 24/7 PMS muder

>>92497279
What the fuck is this????

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>>92480534
I knew I recognized that guy's art.

>>92497534
Nebezial's art is pretty recognizable
He's got a lot of /co/ shit

>>92497485
She killed a guy because he killed/raped/whatevered (a) woman/women or something like that. I don't know. It was a big deal for a bit until Braniac or Mogul or someone invaded. Can't remember the arc. Not too great. It's whatever.

>>92497485
>>92497777
I think that's Maxwell lord, basically he mind controlled superman and the only way to break it was to kill him;

>>92480986
>flying brick multitool is not similar to other flying brick

>>92480534
She need to be well writen. I would put her in a justice league with aquaman, Dr Fate and any Thor like charcter and would make it about epic moster hunting, history and mythology. Superman should be a father and a farmer that represents america and take care of big galactic shitstorms. Batman's only role in any justice legais should be of Sherlock Holmes. DC has too few characters and they are too umbalanced to world togheter. Earth 2 and Vertigo are their best.

>>92496400

Batman and Superman of course.

Every once and awhile Batman and Superman have a 'no homo' moment and Wonder Woman will feel a lightbulb go off in her head for a new chapter.

I post Wonder Woman comics for people to read almost every day and still we get these threads

>>92498191
>/co/
>reading comics
Come on.

>>92498191
Why though

And also, if you are versed in WW lore, ain't she totally without continuity?
Aside from the early Batman stuff of him murderering, he's always Batman no matter the run
But WW is shapeshifter between runs

>>92498256
>But WW is shapeshifter between runs
This is a huge myth IMO.

Her characterization in her own comic since the 1987 relaunch has been as consistent as any other character.

Each run has its own signature elements, and obviously some writers can make her more interesting than others, but her core personality is the same.

Batman/WW and Superman/WW are both shit ships.

>>92498423
So in your opinion, what is your "core personality"?
Is she violent or a pacifist?

>>92498474
She believes in love and peace, that all people are inherently good and capable of reform, and that conflict is only an absolute last-resort and only to protect others.

Being a superhero, some writers (like John Byrne) are more quick to push her into a "last-resort" scenario, of course.

With all of that she's still a human and given to emotions like frustration and anger and desperation.

Her personality isn't any more complex than Batman or Superman's, which is why it's been very easy for the writers of her own title to make it consistent. The only place its inconsistent is outside of it in places where a writer hasn't even read one issue of her ongoing.

So, I was looking up Wonder Woman's other powers since it interested me, and I came across this:

http://screenrant.com/powers-you-did-not-know-wonder-woman-had/

>Naturally, Wonder Woman is capable of taking off her bracelets, but doing so isn’t like taking off any other accessory. Taking the bracelets off gives Wonder Woman an enormous boost in her overall power, though it comes at a huge price. The bracelets act as inhibitors, and removing them drives her insane.

Is this a thing? The author's a little bit eccentric with the listing, so I'm not too sure.

>>92498916
That's only from Azz's run and nobody else uses it. He retconned it so she was Zeus's daughter and that her bracelets "contain" her lightning powers.

I've heard that the movie will be revealing her as Zeus' daughter so it's possible they'll use it there but I doubt it since even Johns ignored it.

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>>92496272
>I imagine that that's what Amazons do to their own criminals. Execution
you dumb fuck they don't have any men on themiscyra, how are they gonna keep up population if they execute their criminals

>>92498971
Don't they rape sailors for babies?

>>92498971
They're immortal.

But that anon is also retarded. Amazons live in a literal paradise and there's little reason to commit crime. The Circle were a group who tried to assassinate Diana because they were butthurt the Queen had a baby, and they all got put in prison, but they're the only Amazonian criminals.

>>92498997
Only in Azz's run.

>implying being a farmer is any more familiar than being a warrior for most comic readers these days, let alone anyone on /co/

>>92498916
>>92498967
That's Golden Age stuff actually. The "containing her god powers" is specifically from Azz.

>>92480534
>Shield and Bracelets are pointless since she is bulletproof
Since when?

>>92501031
A couple of writers have mistakenly made her bulletproof when she just has high durability.

Even though Superman sometimes gets punked by people without powers despite being able to move and think at the speed of light, it's somehow only a major problem when Wonder Woman has an error.

>>92496869
>She should be naive and happy about being in Man's World.
She is supposed to Themyscira representative in the man's world, she supposed to spread it's ideals, and act as a bridge between the two cultures. The Whole fish out of the water only works at beginning when she just arrived man's world, not growing out of nativity would mean she is an incompetent and not fit to be Themyscira ambassador.

>>92493732

Hey how about that, someone being Right on the Internet.

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Then Superman comes in and she start power worshiping.

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>>92502720

Same writer even, although John Byrne was co-writing it. KEK.

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>>92493732
This isn't that but it's something

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>>92502876
Byrne's run had her getting all slippery over this guy name Champion because of how big and tough he was.

It was later explained that he was using some magic to help but Byrne still had her explain "the heart wants what it wants" when she had to reject this other guy in favor of him.

>>92502720
>>92502876

My headcanon is that some god cursed Wonder Woman so that whenever she's close proximity to Superman she gets brainwashed into believing they're gods that should rule humanity together as a couple. Probably Circe doing as a ironic revenge against Hippolyta.

That's the only way to explain WW flipflopping characterization whenever she interacts with Superman.

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I'm sad that Wonder Woman: Earth One didn't catch on or resonate with people.

It has as little resemblance to mainstream continuity as All-Star Superman, and just the same acuity in terms of how it cuts to the core aspects of the character and electrifies them to the extreme.

I think Morrison got a bit carried away with the sexuality, which just muddied things too much and distracted from the character

>>92496780
There are VERY few myths that portray those two, or ANY Greek God, in a positive light.

And the times Athena does come off positively, it's because her approach to "war" is calm, logical strategy, patience, temperence, etc., which is the opposite of Ares who's just a bloodlusting berserker.

>>92502986
I think WW:EO's biggest problem is the dialogue is too corny for mainstream readers. Morrison's desire to revive the golden age was a little too complete.

>>92502986
But yeah I think this short Jill Thompson backup is a great distillation of what sets Wonder Woman apart.

>>92503001
Also Athena was depicted pretty unfavorably in Rucka's run, leading Diana to kill more and justifying it by saying such-and-such are monsters so it's OK.

Athena there had noble goals of violence to prevent war, but I think the message Rucka was originally going for was that subterfuge is still war, and that for Wonder Woman the ends don't justify the means.

>>92503038
It's weird that the mainstream conception of Athena is "she's one of the good ones." The Odyssey is like the only story where she's not a cunt.

>>92503062
I mean lots of people have played the game God of War, right? That's where I first learned about Athena being the definition of the term "bitch"

>>92496272
That's not peaceful behavior.

Murder is Ares' way and she's the opposite of Ares. She's supposed to teach the world pacifism through example. Her mission, her reason for leaving the island, isn't to stop crime, it's to be a role model.

>>92481152
Isn't her weakness piercing objects? Don't bullets count?

The fundamental problem of Wonder Woman is that her core concept barely works in a shared universe filled with other compassionate altruists and flat out doesn't work in her genre given the 100% recidivism rate of her villains.

You can go on and on about how she's loving and compassionate and wants to redeem everyone but they're all gonna fall off the wagon eventually otherwise her series ends.

>>92503191
>She's supposed to teach the world pacifism through example
>>92503446
>her core concept flat out doesn't work in her genre given the 100% recidivism rate of her villains.

Well, now I want an absolute pacifist character who tanks damage and talks her rogues down while they're grappled or restrained. Like a therapist, but with light bondage.

>>92480534
Honestly, she just needs written like a savage fish out of water character. Her weakness should be a complete lack of charisma (beyond natural beauty) and zero practical social skills. And is super duper proud of her heritage.

Where as someone like Martian Manhunter would slip into society fairly easily (being willing and excited to learn the culture, while already used to not shitting in the creek and using her hand as toilet paper) Diana should be the opposite. A backwards uneducated, yet intelligent savage who sees MANS works as petty and not completely worthy of her attention.

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>>92503787

>Honestly, she just needs written like a savage fish out of water character. Her weakness should be a complete lack of charisma (beyond natural beauty) and zero practical social skills. And is super duper proud of her heritage.

She's already written like that and it has been awful.

>>92480534
>>Shield and Bracelets are pointless since she is bulletproof
>>Jet/Vehicles are pointless since she can fly
These are actually major flaws

>>92503806

At least its a personality and its not completely redundant.

I think the new Justice league cartoon movies (the ones with apocalypse and shit) are pretty good.

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>>92482643
I ship the trinity.

>>92503845

You've horrible taste.

>>92503862

Superman brings it down.

>>92503870

>I prefer my Wonder Woman to be Superman with giant tits

Frankly if you want to get down to the real issue here it's that WW shouldn't be on the JLA for several reasons.

>making her likeable and unique is basically impossible since shes has virtually the same power set as sups
>making her a more primitive character tends to make her a completely unlikeable bitch
>her powerset is completely fucking redundant
>villains are trash and simply not up to her power level

I think the absolute best thing to do would be to make her a villain. Someone who can stand up to Superman and who is trying to do the right thing as decreed to her by the gods themselves.

Throw another woman into the Justice League, fuck make it Harley since everyone has a giant hardon for her.

>>92503923
was a reply to
>>92503864

>>92503923
>>92503929

Why does she need to serve as a villain for fucking Superman? She's a superhero. An independent superhero. She's not part of his mythos. At least she shouldn't be.

Here's a much better idea: distance her from Superman as much as you can. Fuck feminists. She shouldn't be as powerful or have the same powerset as Superman.

Bring her down and bring back most of her golden age elements. This way she's more an amazon with good training who has some magical equipment and some magical gifts, and who deal with smaller level threats. She'd be more on Batman and Aquaman level.

This way she can still be nice and won't be redundant. Specially if you give her all the magical shit to deal with. She'd be akin to a mythical hero who's not OP and deal with supernatural stuffs.

>>92503982

The problem with supernatural shit is that is a one horse show. Ben Franklin's ghost shows up and starts stealing keys and fucking every woman in France that shit isn't going to take the JLA to solve, and if anything she can't handle shows up the rest of the league is going to be fucking worthless.

Still a shamanistic WW would be fantastic, it just doesn't fit in with group comics. The wise mystic is needed for about 1 page tops. What is this? How do we win? As soon as these questions are answered the wise mystic can get fucked, they are worthless.

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>>92480534
She is a female Superman except they only share strength and flying and usually has to resort using weapons because she just isn't that strong. She was raised by a completly different culture where love without conditions and being honorable warrior both exists. This is always a source of conflict writers rarely explore. Her interview day with Lois was great from this point. Unlike Supes she didn't grow up in society, she is more of an outsider like Martian Manhunter except the "muh planet" suffering. She usually fights enemies who can hurt her. Her jet is really pointless, the flying wonderdome however was cool and fitting. She has three main problems imho:
1. Too much of her conflicts turn her into radical murderess (she doesn't kill that much tho). It is her kryptonite, when writers doesn't know what to do then make WW a bitch.
2. I might be wrong here since I only went through her pre N52 so far but she has too few street level stories where her kinda naive love & honor gets tested. Hikatea for example.
3. Writers rarely use her mythical skillset (she doesn't even really have any definitive) in team ups.

>>92504019

It's much better than her being girl Superman or being a girl Superman who's also a cunt.

>>92504035

At this point you just made your only consistent female JLA member less useful than fucking Aquaman and basically made a brand new Character to boot. Hence why I suggested you should keep her the same, make her some sort of Antihero, and have her clash against the JLA from time to time.

She can still be a hero, but shes protecting Athena's ideals not Uncle Sams.

>>92504021

She really shouldn't fly. I feel writers gave her that power so she could fly hands in hands with Superman for their boner of showing Superman as a god with his god girlfriend. The same with her super-strength on par with Superman but no really because Superman is a man and should be stronger than the girl he fucks and dominate.

Without the flight, she becomes more unique and the invisible jet makes sense.
Without the exaggerated strength, the bracelets makes sense.

Also, before there was a big emphases on discipline and zen-like bullshit. For example without the bracelets the amazons would go berserk. They were constantly at battle with their more aggressive nature. Control was a big theme.

This was thrown out of course when she became female Superman, since now the whole emphases is own her godly superpowers.

>>92503672
She actually did this a few times. For example she tanked raging Supermans and there was that story with a kinda rogue Green Lantern who wanted to destroy the khund(?) homeworld.
I had erections every time.

>>92504069
Ding Ding.

"Muh American Woman" seriously sucks balls.

>>92504069

>At this point you just made your only consistent female JLA member less useful than fucking Aquaman and basically made a brand new Character to boot.

No, otherwise Batman would be useless as well, since he has no super-powers, and it is not a new character. It's who Wonder Woman originally was.

>Hence why I suggested you should keep her the same, make her some sort of Antihero, and have her clash against the JLA from time to time.
>She can still be a hero, but shes protecting Athena's ideals not Uncle Sams.

That's nothing new. That's the same stupid characterization they've been pushing since Kingdom Come and that has ruining the character. It only serves Superman who's always there to calm her the fuck down and serve as the voice of reason. "Oh, here's Superman to remind Wonder Woman that her gods are cunts, she's behaving irrationally and that the American Way is the right way." Fuck that.

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>>92504069

Here's your Wonder Woman.

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>>92504079
At least she fights flashy in the animations and it seems the movie will be the same. She could be much more unique in team fights if she didn't do the straight Superman punches in comics but I understand it is hard to represent in still images.

I remember a bit of art someone posted that had a panel of people making request of a WW book and then her, killing a dragon with a sword and shouting "DO YOU EVEN READ MY BOOK?"

>>92504150

The big difference in the pre-Flashpoint Paradox movies is that Wonder Woman was portrayed more as a skilled fighter than a god with super-powers. You can see that most of her moves there are based in grappling, not showy punches that throw the enemies through several walls.

The DCEU movies seems to be heading that way with her not being able to fly and being a lot weaker than Superman, thus explaining the need for magical bracelets, shield and sword. This way you make her more unique.

>>92480998
Hello Mister Edgy McEdgelord.

>>92504209
>>92504226

I resent these images. NOT MUH WONDY.

I don't think every superhero needs dead parents or anything but Wonder Woman's origin is utterly devoid of any pathos. The whole "can never return to Themyscira" thing rings super-hollow when she returns there all the fucking time.

I guess I just don't get Wonder Woman's hook. What's interesting about her?

>>92504254

>that jealousy in Bruce of people pairing SM/WW

>>92504258

I thought that Morrison's idea of making WW be Herakles rape baby was really neat, specially since it served as a nod to the golden age berserk nature of the amazons and their need for the bracelets and proper training to contain themselves, by implying that WW have Herakles crazy and wild nature inside herself that can make her be destructive if not properly controlled.

This concept would give her some angst and a need to be constantly be self-vigilante and in control of herself so she won't go mad, thus also explaining her desire to always mediate situations and help others to keep their bad nature in check.

WW would be pretty much the zen-character that is always trying to teach others to be more peaceful. Kinda like Raven, but better.

>>92504270

That's a stupid page.

>>92504315

It would also explain her bad characterizations in things like Injustice. In that world she just let her nature take over.

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>>92504373