How can Nefcy avoid the self destruction of Alex Hirsch or the

>>92455463
I admit SU has its problems, but how do sloth and greed add into the equation?

>>92455463
well sloth is because she's lazy and lets her staffers take over the ship, and she's greedy because she's just doing whatever instead of earning his keep as showrunner

>>92455463
-Write well-rounded main/secondary characters, female ones included
-Keep plot tight; don't let it meander and don't rush it
-Balance the dramatic with the comedic
-Have a villain/antagonistic force that can bring the feeling of a dire threat

I don't know, I guess this is just stuff I look for in an overarching story.

>>92455586

This...

>>92455463
She's already going down the path of Gluttony taking control and making the show more of her personal fanfic

>>92455463
By not over-working herself and by not giving full creative (Both artistically and from an author standpoint) to her crew members for a show that has an over arching plot.

It's that simple. Don't be a workaholic and know what fits your genre.

Giving your crew loose drawing restrictions works if you have a Looney Tunes show and it's actually fun to notice when the characters change in design. You know, something 100% episodic and comedic with a bit of slapstick on the side. It's an awful idea when you want to do something serious or with an ongoing plot like Gargoyles or B:TAS.

And being a workaholic only works if you can actually deal with it. If you get burnt out, then it's clearly not the working style for you and you should figure out how to economize before you get your role as a showrunner so you aren't writing 50-page scripts and cutting them down and re-writing dialogue because you don't like what your other writers wrote.

Both of these traits come from experience on working on other shows. Unfortunately, Sugar never had guidance since Pen Ward let her do whatever she wanted and Alex only ever had storyboard positions. He never got his feet wet as a director for someone else's show before being promoted to showrunner.

>>92456715
How so?

>>92456715
her personal fanfic of what?

>>92455463
1. Avoid the temptation of turning the show into your own personalized soapbox. Kids don't give a fuck about Blonald Blumpf or gay's rights or whatever is happening in real life, cartoons are for escapism.
2. Develop side characters but don't make them take over the show, especially those that are essentially walking gags. You don't want to end up with Wendy who people know fuckall about, nor do you want to end up with Soos or townies taking over every episode.
3. Have accountability for characters when they make mistakes. Star should really have to answer for having Ruberiot nearly cause a riot on Mewni. Nobody likes an infallible untouchable Mabel.
4. Have the villains actually do threatening shit. Why should we be afraid of Toffee, what is he actually planning? Don't tell me he's going to just show up, throw a frat party, kill off a useless side character or two for drama, and then get vanquished by the power of peace and love or some shit.
5. Lastly, don't be afraid to break some shippers hearts at the end. How would an arrangement between an Earth kid and a Mewni princess work? Is it practical?

>>92455480
I guess the sloth part is about how Sugar couldn't keep her employees in line and the fact that no one there knows how to draw any of the goddamn characters consistently. I don't know about any greed, but I haven't been following SU development recently.

Keep the quirky star-themed kid from either going full Steven or full Mabel

>>92458199
Mostly good points, but Soos didn't really take over every episode, and he was a major character from the start. In fact, he basically became irrelevant after his second focus episode

>>92458199
>Lastly, don't be afraid to break some shippers hearts at the end. How would an arrangement between an Earth kid and a Mewni princess work? Is it practical?

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE LEAVE STARCO OUT OF THIS!

Has Nefcy worked on other shows before?

>>92456715
>making the show more of her personal fanfic
Isn't every TV show already the creator's personal fanfic?

If you're going to have one of your character's actions lead to extreme negative consequences (Like the apocalypse, for a completely random example) then don't completely forget said character's part in it after it starts.

>>92458322
>oh ho ho, silly adorable may may girl caused the apocalypse!
>but it's ok because she's cute and her loving twin brother is a total pushover

>>92458191
>>92458312
Fanfic of her own show. Fusion went from, "A way to make us stronger as Opal fighting technique" to shipping bait which I'm sure Sugar purposely designed as so because she loved shipping as a teen. I can't think of many other shows that purposely integrate a mechanic that encourage OTP autistic screeching.

It's like when anime shows have characters with powers where they need to make-out with someone in order to activate it. It's purposely fetish-y because the creator would much rather see their characters in an orgy than in a story.

She also lifts scenes, shots, and emotional climaxes wholesale from things that inspired her as a kid. Which is usually something a fanfic writer would do. Homage only works if it's not the crux of a character's development arc. The Charlie Brown football joke is a good example of that. Stealing Spirited Away's character bonding moment is a bad way of doing it.

>>92458341
I have never watched GF, how bad did /co/ take the climax?

>>92458199
>5. Lastly, don't be afraid to break some shippers hearts at the end. How would an arrangement between an Earth kid and a Mewni princess work? Is it practical?
You do realize Star and Marco are pretty 1-1 on Nefcy and her husband. She also drew a comic where she takes a plane to visit home and goes back to [Marco] her husband at the end

>>92458364
I didn't watch it with /co/ because of thread autism. But from what I've seen, they took the finale as bad as I did.

>>92458364
They were quite disappointed for a number of reasons

>>92458406
How bad did you take it?

>>92458371
>this autistic rumor again
The only author avatar character that Nefcy made was StarFan13.

>>92458341
>Dipper makes a mistake/lapse in judgment with minor negative consequences
>gets publicly humiliated, badly injured, and/or nearly killed

>Mabel makes a mistake/lapse in judgement with extreme negative consequences
>Is utterly unscathed physically and emotionally

>>92458408
>>92458406
I'm going to look for an archive of any thread around that period

Another question, Lauren posted on /mlp/ and even had a tripcode. Sugar did some smut request for an anon featuring EEnE, urban legend or is it true? If so, wheres the said pin-up?

Also, do you think Nefcy browses here?

>>92458364
I found it to be a hastily cobbled, poorly written, inconsistent mess with a plethora of plot holes, unresolved plot points, and too many out of characters to list.

>>92458371

>Base main characters on yourself and a loved one
>While the protagonist is a spineless or stupid loser in a constant state of suffering, the deuteragonist is quickly liked by every non-villain who matters and makes several important accomplishments

I guess Alex and Daron have something in common after all

This show has magic and sense magic doesn't have to be explained 80% of the time. The show is doomed due to the lack of creativity that will follow in the coming years.

>>92458467
and people apologize to her

>>92458489
What parts did you consider out of character?

>>92458428
Pretty bad. Several gaping plotholes, climax felt rushed to the point that the show should have had another season to handle the finale properly, and Mabel getting off Scott free for starting the apocalypse and trying to replace her brother.

>>92458467
Pussy pass for the ages.

>>92458472
No idea, and I highly doubt it. At most she might go on reddit or look at fans twitters.

>>92458538
>trying to replace her brother.

I'm genuinely surprised it was never brought up how fucked up of a thing it was for Mabel to do that

To be completely fair, on SU's part, Disney has treated Nefcy and Star vs. way better than CN has ever treated SU and Rebecca. Star is Disney's darling. It got the fabled four seasons. CN is constantly fucking SU by giving it a shitty schedule, and forcing the writers to write in bomb format only for plot stuff, which use up episodes quickly.

Hirsch and GF is just a tale of the creator being batshit. DISNEY WANTED HIM TO HAVE A THIRD SEASON. It would've helped the show so fucking much

>>92455586
I honestly think Star Vs. does a good job of having all of this.

why there're no such things as svtfoe generals on /co/?

>>92458560
Either it was a major pussy pass, or the ending was more rushed than it seemed and they forgot to ever address Mabel's evil.

Can anyone upload images?

>>92458355
>She also lifts scenes, shots, and emotional climaxes wholesale from things that inspired her as a kid.
isn't that what literally every writer/artist does?

>>92458562
>Disney has treated Nefcy and Star vs. way better than CN has ever treated SU and Rebecca.

Can't really say that after the recent controversy over the gay kisses in Just Friends.

>>92455463
By ignoring metafans and fandoms like the plague you are

>>92458638
Nope, what's the deal with that anyway?

>>92458661
Not verbatim like Sugar does. Someone might get inspired by a transformation sequence from a werewolf movie and want to do their own, but Sugar will take completely take someone else's cool idea, copy the camera work and pacing, and put it in her own show. The only other time people do stuff like that is for parody like Simpsons, Billy & Mandy, South Park.

It's the difference between what makes stuff like Bill Death's scene really cool and Pearl vs. Holo Pearl fucking lame.

>>92458685
>Can't really say that after the recent controversy over the gay kisses in Just Friends.

They actually gave a fuck about that?

>>92458718
Also, for some reason nobody posted anything in any thread for like four hours straight

>>92458585
The mods delete any Svtfoe thread calling itself a general

checkmate Moxy
game over
i win
anime will be real now

>>92458761
Why?

>>92458562
Sugar isn't getting any worse treatment than any other show creator. Regular Show got fucked harder than SU by the end of its lifetime. The only major problem is scheduling and leaks, which is EVERY show that isn't TTG. Otherwise, she's gotten quite a lot of creative control compared to a lot others. If you want to see someone who was treated poorly, look at CH Greenblatt with Harvey Beaks.

SU does very well on streaming services, had one of the top most sold app games for awhile and is getting a sequel, had a 3-month summer marathon bomb dedicated to it, SU ends up having one of the most packed Comic Con panels of any of the CN shows, CN gives Sugar a lot of exposure and put her as the face for those Anti-Bullying PSAs. CN doesn't really shaft her at all.

>>92458555
What's a pussy pass?

>>92458661
A good one doesn't do it as disjointedly and bluntly. Moreso, its accidental, or natural for the story.

Think about it like this, if you can watch a show, and you don't find yourself initially (meaning on your first watch) thinking "this is from something else" during pivotal scenes in a story, then it's proper storytelling. Basically, its the fair use argument, but instead of saving your ass from copyright claims, it's in regards to telling a worthwhile story.

Scenes like the shining reference in SJ get a pass because they aren't meant to evoke the same feelings as the source material. They have different meanings altogether, and flow within the story, thus they belong in the story. Scenes like the Eva reference in SU don't get a pass because they don't differentiate, or subtle themselves, enough, meaning it sticks out like a sore thumb, and it doesn't belong in the story.

>>92458322
Relatedly, if you're going to devote half of the finale arc to finding and rescuing a character because they're so important, make sure they actually do something in the second half

No matter what happens,4chan will hate the show eventually.I mean it.Whatever they do with it will have hate threads just like it happened with gravity falls,samurai jack,steven universe and any other fucking show thats popular.
Wether its making starco canon,debunking starco,making toffee lame,whatever they do,4chan will hate it.
Youll just have to get used to it.

Also,get ready for star vs critical getting posted on your star threads. Season 3 wont be perfect and any mistake makes those turds come up.

>>92458860
That's a highly opinionated claim. Usually, people don't even get most of SU's references until it's pointed out to them, meaning they were subtle and within its intended theme.

>>92458904
And you rather have a spineless circlejerk? Like it or not, 4chan's format allows the most honest of opinions

>>92458723
Eh Fusions in SU are way more interesting than they are in DBZ. And what the hell do you mean Opal is shipping bait? She's literally appeared twice in the entire show, and she's always expressed the relationship between Pearl and amethyst

>>92458951
shitposting is honest opinions now?

>>92459035
Posting honest thoughts on a show's flaws is shitposting now? Get fucking real

>>92459032
I didn't say Opal was, I said she was the first that introduced fusion as the concept of being a stronger, cooler being, like going from Squirtle to Blastoise, to having Garnet throw Pearl against a wall and blushing or having Garnet and Peridot share an "intimate" moment where Garnet tells her it's okay if she's not ready.

For every decent moment of Malachite we might get, there's an awful Ruby asking Sapphire, "Was this your first time?" that comes across as fanfic writing.

>>92458951
What a crock of bullshit. People here are never satisfied no matter what any one does. There criticism and then there's wallowing in your own filth.

The Gravity Falls ending was decent, despite /co/ going on and on about what a travesty it was.

The new season of samurai Jack is a great show. It has its flaws but it's not the complete garbage /co/ thinks it is.

SU is flawed too but it's still a decent show.

I don't understand why when something doesn't hold up to this places utterly impossibly high standards, it's put on blast. Get over yourselves holy shit.

>>92458951
It does allow plenty of honest opinions,but also stupid shitposts.
Samurai jack season 5 has BIG problems that 4chan has talked about,but there are people who treat it like the worst thing ever made and how it destroyed the whole series.
Theres 2 types of people.Those who criticize and those who are just haters.

>>92459049
Don't play dumb, anon

>>92458945
I get your point. Not many people would know every reference SU makes, since they're diversified, but i ask, after being unearthed, do you think the referenced material adds to the story in a original and natural way? a lot of the references are very on-the-nose to me once realized, and they don't seem natural in the story otherwise. Very Scary Movie-esque.

>>92459077
>haters

Haha holy shit,are you for real?

>>92459074
>Everything is DECENT! Even if it has FLAWS! God, 4chan just can't get their dick out of their ass.

Because there's no fucking discussion in, "Wow, that scene sure was cool!" for 9 months straight. But there is discussion in, "How would you fix SU?" threads, which I've seen plenty of that have had many, many legit criticisms in a calm, non-shitposting manner.

>>92458852
The ability of a female to avoid being held accountable for her actions simply due to being female.

>>92458685
One controversy doesn't change the fact that Disney has still treated Nefcy exceptionally well

>>92459097
I mean the kindergarten is a references to that one Japanese comic, but it still fits into the story of SU. There's also that one "Congratulations" scene at the end of The Test, but it's not out of place because the gens are congratulating Steven the way they would after he finished their test.

>>92459097
>do you think the referenced material adds to the story in a original and natural way?

I don't think those are what references are meant to do. They're just fun little easter eggs crew members like to put in their work.

>>92458727
Allegedly. There's no definitive proof they took offense to that episode aside from all airings of it mysteriously pulled off air.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mDvbONEzAGY

>>92459145
Phineas and Ferb was treated way better.

>>92459114
The shows are all decent in there own way. When something's flawed, I don't harp on what I didn't like about it, because I'm not going to enjoy anytjying at that rate. I look at what it did well and if it didn't do well enough, then it wasn't for me, no big deal.

I don't know, maybe I'm not jaded and pessimistic enough to be on /co/.

>>92458110
She used the term "starco" in an episode

>>92459095
You're full of shit, go to any thread talking about the flaws if this current Samurai Jack season and you'll see people offering well written posts and disappointment at most compared to the fucking autistic shitflinging by Samurai Jack fanatics who go rabid at you for not saying Genndy was god's gift to earth

>>92459220
Well those people would be in the minority. Most of the criticism is just
>muh Jashi
>wah no Guardian fight
Etc

>>92459263
Whether those people are genuine or not, they aren't a fraction as bad as the butthurt shippers who shit up the board with their pairing

>>92459168
I don't even remember gay kissing, just the fuccbois on stage doing kiss lips to mock boybands. Are they not even allowed to do that without pissing off someone?

>>92459612
There were like 2 or 3 gay couples kissing in the crowd. I mean it's whatever. Gay couples are more normalized these days but still not fully accepted and I hate when creators use their children's cartoons as a vessel to show their personal and political beliefs

>>92459148
Fair enough, i guess it really is subjective. I personally like my literature to not be concerned with constant referencing, to make its own story and be celebrated on its own merit.

When i watch hitchcock or something, i don't feel like they're throwing references in there (yes i know he did reference and pay homage to things), it feels like a complete story that stands on its own. Maybe you feel the same with SU, i don't know, but what i do know is that, to me, it feels cheap, like the writers couldn't just let their trivia go unnoticed, they just had to put their meme in so that their buddies could snicker at their "extensive" knowledge.

>>92455463
By getting you a new hobby.

>>92459717
Late reply and it doesn't matter, but this is probably the one and only time gay kissing should be normalized, given that it's happening at a boy band concert in Southern California in the year 2015. It would be more out of place to NOT have fags tongueboxing. I'm against homosexual behavior as well, but not at the expense of lying about what the reality of the situation is.

>>92460746
this

>>92459717
The fact that I didn't notice the fags kissing shows how unimportant it is. Gays exist, especially in commiefornia at a boy band concert. Seems stupid desu.

>>92461525
I guess it's mostly because seeing women getting hurt, isn't overall funny. Most of the times we will feel sorry for them while seeing a guy getting hit for being an idiot will make us chuckle.
This is why we have so many women snipers/archers in movies and cartoons. They stay away from the direct combat and thanks to this there's lower chance for them to get physically hurt. The best you can do to them is either destroying a platform that they're standing or an enemy sneaking up behind and smacking them with a blunt weapon. But a hand-to-hand fight with cuts and bruises? rare.

Someone post beaten up Korra face

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>>92461525
Redpill victim complex reaching critical mass.

>>92463382
Fug, I forgot I'm on a blue board and now I can't delete the comment.

>>92459074
>People here
>/co/ thinks
>this place's
/co/ is not one person, nor is it a hivemind. Some people don't like the things you like, and sometimes they are very vocal about their displeasure. Stop getting assblasted that some people disagree with your opinions.

>>92458577
No it doesn't.

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>>92458784

>>92463862
Everyone has an opinion.

>>92464035
Yeah yours is just wrong

>>92464106
In your opinion.

>>92463945
What exactly is inaccurate about what I posted? Of all the creators on CN right now, Sugar is getting pushed by CN the most with TTG being the one that is played the most.

Every other show can die in a fire it seems as far as they're concerned. She's probably having one of the better experiences in working at CN compared to something like Mighty Magiswords who is mistreated so badly they don't even give the show a budget for animation.

>>92455480
Sloth in that she does too little to keep her boarders in line, and that results in monstrosities like Lauren Zuke. Not sure what he's on about with greed though.

>>92464296
>Greed
Wasting the budget on celebrities and people like Nicki Minaj for a one-time role that guarantees the character will never have a speaking role again.

>>92458199
>Avoid the temptation of turning the show into your own personalized soapbox. Kids don't give a fuck about Blonald Blumpf or gay's rights or whatever is happening in real life, cartoons are for escapism.
My shit is all pretty ideologically charged, I'm just not an idiot who thinks in direct-parallel events and can't do subtlety with themes. People who just go after a Blumpf parallel are lazy fucks.

>>92464635
Yeah but your "shit" is shit. You said it yourself.

>>92464462
I suppose so

>>92464929
My shit is inspired by actual culture and filmmakers and all of these cartoons are just fantasy bollocks inspired by cheesy 90s anime. Fight me.

>>92466175
>My shit
Why do you keep referring to your work as shit? Are you raising sentient shits? Either so, or i'm to assume you're developing fecal creations in a quality sense?

>>92455463
What about GF was self destruction?

>>92467477
Maybe not self-destruction, but Hirsch definitely run himself into the ground because he was hesitant to delegate.

Surely there must have been people he could trust to take control of certain parts of the show, like a co-writer.

>>92459219
Which one?

The best thing Nefcy could do is just finish the show on her terms. You can't please everyone and pandering to the fans only ends in disaster. There are several shows that can be used to prove this.

My only gripe with the show is that as the creator you can be so uninspired and uncreative that you just cut side characters. It's just plain dumb and a sign of one's inability to adapt.

>>92468031
Justice for Jackie

>>92468116
Come to think of it, she and Wendy are basically the same character

>>92458562
>and forcing the writers to write in bomb format only for plot stuff,

Oh no, they can still use the bombs for absolute pointlessness. Week of Sardonyx comes to mind.

>>92459191
>When something's flawed, I don't harp on what I didn't like about it, because I'm not going to enjoy anytjying at that rate.

That's fine. That's great. But you know what that is? An absolutely boring conversation. There's nothing you can fucking say because nobody is allowed to discuss things from a point of negativity which allows for actual discussion between them and people who argue from one of positivity.

The simple fact is, it's more fun to get into an argument about why you like or don't like something than it is to mindlessly agree, and if you don't like it then get the fuck off this entire site. Don't even go to Reddit, or Tumblr. Get of the internet, sit in your bathroom and keep saying to the mirror "Gee XYZ sure was swell!"

A better question:
>what would insta-kill the show?

>>92468709
Except Jackie's show wasn't canned after two seasons.

>>92469443
And Marco actually got with his crush

>>92468709
Which is why I want them to do something with her. I was a bit pissed when Wendy ended up with basically fuck all.

>>92469843
To be fair, there was nothing that ever hinted Wendy was supposed to be more than Dipper's unobtainable crush, just like nothing ever indicated that Soos was supposed to be more than the funny handyman.

>>92469843
>Which is why I want them to do something with her.

I've been hoping Jackie would become a more prevalent character since Bon Bon the Birthday Clown but sadly it looks like we'll have to wait a few more months for S3 to rectify this matter.

>>92470075
I keep hearing that Wendy's a main character, but she doesn't seem like one in the slightest

>>92470075
But Soos could get involved in adventures, even in serious ones, while with Wendy it feels like they always excluded her from the main plot unless they couldn't.

>>92470091
That's because she's not. The main characters are Dipper, Mabel, and Stan. Wendy was a plot device.

>>92458105
ironically nefcy has less experience than both of them: pre Star all nefcy did was do designs for the MAD cartoon and storyboard revisions for Robot & Monster and a few early Wander Over Yonder episodes

>>92468837
week of sardonyx was actually written well before Bombs were a thing (the Zoo Arc was the first bomb to actually be written as being a bomb in mind)

>>92470188
I don't understand what the point in even making characters like that is if no one plans to do anything with them

>>92470388
Not saying Nefcy has no talent, but for all we know, she could have just a really good team that is the primary reason for Star's success. Like, Xiaolin Showdown was a great show but Xiaolin Chronicles was fucking dreadful. Even though the original creator was on board and writing the scripts, it was later discovered she had never once written a script for the original show and that she was only an "idea person".

>>92458199
>1.

The show has some feminist themes just as a base part of its DNA. It's going to involve some "politics" just as a reality of being a female-led show that's accessible to boys. Princess Marco existing in itself makes a statement about the creator's ideas about gay, transgender, gender fluid, or just cross-dressing people, and while I personally wish that wasn't considered a political statement it can and does trigger folk who don't want that stuff normalized. The show plays around with gender roles a bit and that necessitates taking a stance on some issues, like that it's OK for girls and boys to like whatever they want without worrying too much if it's too masculine or feminine. Fuck, the male lead is Mexican, there's going to be people who don't want him romantically involved with white girls.

Can agree about it not needing overt references to current events though. The show does a decent enough job of getting its ideas across naturally without feeling like an episode has to be set aside to talk about X issue.

>>92455463
Don't be a weird pseudo feminist, for starters.

>>92471523
you mean a moderate/liberal?

>>92470739
Nefcy has at least been involved with all the story outlines for the second season (compared to only a few in the first season), aside from typical showrunning stuff. So unless she's had literally all the worst ideas some of her influence is reflected in the S2 plots (and it looks like 3 and 4 as well).

I think she does know how to delegate well, and while you could say that others were more responsible for the plot in the first season, the fact that she recognized the show's potential for a plot and gave them greater control still shows her influence in that area too. She could've easily just said "lolno I want it to be episodic forever" and that would've been that, so even if she's the worst writer in the world on her own she's taken an active role in making things more interesting in the past.

I do think she has some writing ability just going by her increased involvement, but at the same time there are enough writers that it can't be said any one of them is carrying the show.

>>92458282
Agreed. If Star and Marco don't end up together, then it kind of ruins all of the foreshadowing that they've had since 'Blood Moon Ball". It would make the romantic subplot end with a disappointing thud. Plus, the fans would wail in despair for years. Not the kind of reaction that escapist Disney fare usually goes for.

>>92466444
using the term shit is an alternative to using stuff most people use it across the atlantic so you prob dont get it
different anon btw

>>92472315
yeah according to nefcy in interviews, it was Aaron Hammersley (originally just a director) and Dominic Bisignano (originally a regular boarder and quickly promoted to Storyboard Supervisor) completely reworking from the ground up the episode that became Mewberty that ended up inspiring nefcy to take the show into a different direction (also note that a majority of season 1's episodes had enough of their boards changed up by the directors and storyboard supervisors later on that said directors and such got boarding credit and sometimes even story credit)

>>92458685
>>92458727
Disney literally throws a gay parade every year in their parks. Or is there something I'm missing?

>>92464462
Damn dude, that was like 3 years ago. Sloth makes more sense.

>>92472515
I'm not as upset of the prospect of Starco being one huge cocktease since Marco's never shown any indication that he's ever seen Star in a romantic light at any pointmin the seried so far.

>>92473019
https://mrongost.ga/2017/05/H8XKql7rO2j-mrongost-star-vs-the-forces-of-evil-censored-for-lgbt-kiss-justiceforstar.html

>>92470086
And that's if it rectifies that

They can't. Because this "self destruction" is not brought about a decline in quality, it's brought about by a critical mass of the fandom which feels that THEY own the story more than the author do. And so when the story goes in a direction different than the one the fandom's inevitably-poor sense of writing dictates, they throw a tantrum and call it a fall from grace.

>>92473945
Why wouldn't they give her character depth when they've done a fantastic job giving the majority of the cast proper character development.

>>92474048
t. Alex

>>92474182
I'm not saying they wouldn't, it just at the moment doesn't look good.

>>92474048
I know it's really hard to write endings Alex. I don't blame you

>>92474048
And what if the story itself contains poor writing that the author expects the fanbase to swallow it like a pack of malnourished wild dogs? Does that excuse the "self destruction"?

>>92474957
You're not virtuous for disliking something or noticing its flaws

>>92475012
You think I love seeing a show that I could have adored gradually being deteriorated over its finale simply because the author decided to take the easy way out?

>>92474957
I'll led you know when it happens.

>>92474048
Gravity Falls ended poorly

>>92475276
It's happened before.

This show is already shit. You're speaking as if it has a chance in the first place. GF and SU have their issues but Star will never be as good as either of them without a complete overhaul.

>>92476559
Why's that?

>>92476684
because it's a shallow romantic comedy with a bit of cliche lore sprinkled throughout

>>92455463
Its already shit though

Like really, doing an overly used cliched love triangle
How do you consider that good writing?

>>92477892
like 5 total episodes out of the entire series deal with romance. it's not a "romantic comedy," it's a comedy that has some romance in it when that's not the entire focus.

and I don't even mean 5 half hours; some of those episodes are 10 minutes long.

>>92458364
it's like talking to a jilted ex about her divorced husband

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>>92468031
>My only gripe with the show is that as the creator you can be so uninspired and uncreative that you just cut side characters. It's just plain dumb and a sign of one's inability to adapt.

I dunno, I think it's good after seeing so many SUfags complaining about "townie" episodes. Nefcy just trimmed the fat, and kept the good parts. Was anyone REALLY upset about Alphonzo and Ferguson's absence in season 2?

>>92470446

Wendy was just there to give an easy motivation for Dipper to do something to kick off the episode's plot. She was a side/supporting character, so she didn't need development any more than Manly Dan, the cops, or Candy and Grenda did.

I think Alex even mentioned in an interview that they used Wendy too much as a crutch to motivate Dipper, which is why they had the resolution to that crush in the Bunker episode. Too bad they had to dig up Wendip's corpse later on.

>>92478084
5 episodes yet it's all anyone talks about

>>92478551
>Was anyone REALLY upset about Alphonzo and Ferguson's absence
To be honest I had completely forgotten that they existed by the time I was about 5 episodes into S2

>>92480240
Because they were hardly a presence to begin with
Whether you like her or not, people will notice that Jackie is gone because of her importance to the plot of several previous episodes

>>92458562
They weren't forced to do bomb format though

>>92459191
>The shows are all decent in there own way.

No you just have incredibly low standard which a lot of cartoon fans have.

>>92479639
including anons criticizing the show

I'm sure if they'd either had no romance at all or got it all over with in a single episode, people here would bitch it's unrealistic two teenagers have no feelings for each other, what a cucked show, etc. or would complain that brushing off the romance too quickly is rushed

I also think it's stupid that the fanbase obsesses over it, but it doesn't dominate the show at all