>Dick Grayson: The one who opened Batman's heart to others,

>>92435777
>ultimate test of his abilities as both a mentor and a parent
Looking at the current state of their relationship I'm pretty sure he's failed the test

>>92435777
>Dick Grayson: The one who closed Batman's heart because he can't be a nice guy with Dick around
FIFY, OP.

>>92435777
>Tim Drake: The fandom bicycle. Precious cinnamon roll who does nothing wrong and is a sassy bat!
Kill me.

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>>92435869
I hate tumblr so fucking much

>>92435862
>Dick Grayson: A manslut who resents his younger siblings. The Golden Boy, despite the fact that he rivals Tim in mary-sue activities. Only liked because he's the first Robin.
FTFY again.

>>92435862
So Batman's not been a nice guy since 1940?

>>92435777
Prior to the Flashpoint, Tim was the one who convinced Batman that he needed a Robin to balance him (doubly so since he was losing it after Jason died). In a way Dick and Tim were the Robins who saved Batman/made him more human while Jason & Damian were the Robins Batman saved.
Stephanie (at least Robin-wise) just sort-of happened.

>>92435862
>>92435918
>Dick Grayson: The ultimate Mary Sue and "Better than Batman!!" fanservice character
HYPER FIX.

Tim was the one who brought Bruce back from the edge after Jason died.

Tim's problem is that he's not being used right now and before that writers were using him the wrong way.Since all the other Robins are on teams right now, it would make sense to put him on Slade's new team but he's being held prisoner by Mr. Oz.

>>92435944
>while Jason & Damian were the Robins Batman saved
That quite ironic since they are the ones who died.

>>92435813
Thomas told him to be a good parent and stop being Batman, I'm pretty sure he at least try to be a better parent

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>>92436017
>Jason Todd: literally edgy Batman loved by teenage girls who woobify him and 16 year olds who think he's 'badass' because he kills
>Tim Drake: literal self-insert who is now so irrelevant he got locked in a prison and never mentioned for nearly a year
>Damian Wayne: edgy OC made to be killed off in a perpetual state of learning then unlearning character development

>>92436091
You missed the part about Tim possibly being more woobiefied than Jason.

>>92436091
Jason Todd: edgy and badass
This why he's best boy.

>>92435918
He likes Damian tho

>>92436193
Both Tim and Dick are more woobiefied than Jason and Damian by the fandom.

Like, there’s fanart of Dick crying in Jason's manly arms.

>>92436220
He liked Tim as well. The only one he didn't have a good relationship with at first was Jason, and even then they ended up getting along pretty well while Jason was Robin

>>92436241
Not surprising when Jaydick is so popular, I think Jaytim is even more popular too. They're both absolute garbage ships though

>>92436252
>getting along pretty well
This quite the overstatement.

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Will Robinfags ever get along?

>>92436241
It's the ass, having him do anything but being on the bottom is a waste, so naturally teenage girls write him as a women.

>>92436241
I notice Tim being mentally unstable/neglected/whatever to be more common in fanfiction.

>>92436308
Nope, they will forever be salty because DC always pits the Robins against each other (except Dick and Damian I guess)

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>>92436308
In a perfect world, yes.
But in reality, probably not.

>>92436308
They did get along after the burger scene before King destroyed the peace with his power ranking list.

>>92436363
What's this from?

>>92436363

Who's the one on the right?

>>92436612
Carrie Kelly. Gotham Knight

>>92436308
Only the Dick and Damian fans.

The rest of them, no.

>>92436410
What now?

Dickwank will never not be gay, y'all are legitimate faggots

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>>92436750
>masturbating makes you a faggot

>>92436748
https://twitter.com/tomkingtk/status/833702769487917057?lang=en
The obvious happened.

>>92436410
I remember that. They were really friendly with each and were desperately wishing for Robins book.

It didn't last for long.

>>92436252
No they didn't, Anon. Dick is likable by everyone but Jason was too far up his own ass to accept Dick's brotherly proposals. Dude always had arrogance.

>>92436536
One of the issues of the Batman: The Brave & The Bold comic. The story is called "Batman Dies at Dawn"

>>92436898
This isn't true.

Jason really admired Dick, but it was Dick who kept his distance because he was jealous.

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>>92435777
Tim Drake: The smartest one because he figured out who Batman is and then went on to dress like a red & black spaceghost and name himself after a restaurant chain.

This is the thread where my comic neophyte is showing

I completely don't know who Tim Drake is.

Just to make sure, Dick is the original robin right? Do Tim; Dick, Jason have same trapeze circus history?

>>92435869
>Tim has more porn than Dick
>Tim has more crossover porn fucking anime girls
FUCK SELF INSERTERS

>>92435777
I always kind of felt like Tim was the heart of the family before Infinite Crisis. He was the one who managed to get Bruce to realize that he needed a partner to keep him level. Through his friendship and eventual fraternal bond, Dick came to stow some of his anger over Bruce and found it in himself to be man enough to repair that relationship. He gave Steph and Helena a chance when no one else would, and the two became staunch allies to Bruce because of it.

And it's not like he was perfect. His self doubt was his biggest enemy, always waiting for a new Robin to step in kept him from gaining confidence in his own ability as a sidekick and later partner to Batman. His personal life was always an issue since he still had a civilian identity not tied to Bruce beyond temporary guardianship when his dad was in a coma, and having to deal with the mission and wanting to tell his dad but knowing he couldn't was a big deal.

Beyond that, Tim's story wasn't that dependent on Bruce. He had his own series with his own villains, headed up his own team with their own issues as well, and had to juggle his personal life in between all of that. Tim's story was that of a normal kid trying his best in a world that he felt didn't suit him, and growing as a person despite it.

And then Infinite Crisis happened and woobie Mary Sue was born.

>>92436869
Poor Tim. Duke should be last.

>>92436898
Dick was pretty much a shit to Jason because Bruce gave him Dick's old identity. Jason's kind of justified in being an asshole to Dick.

>>92436308
Wait, which one is Jason? The tall guy? Is he really the tallest Robin?

>>92437096
Dick is the original. Jason having a circus background was only pre-crisis, post crisis he was a troubled youth.
Tim pre-Flashpoint was something of a fanboy who had seen the Flying Graysons and eventually managed to figure out Dick & Bruce's identities. After Bruce went nuts post Death-In-The-Family, Tim tried to get Dick to go back to being Robin and, failing that, became Robin himself.
From what I understand Flashpoint messed up his backstory.

>>92437240
Think these stats are from that encyclopedia that came out recently:
>Nightwing: 5'10", 175 lbs
>Red Hood: 6'0", 225 lbs
>Robin: 4'6", 84 lbs
>Batman: 6'2", 210 lbs

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>>92436869
>Jason below kate and helana
>bruce below dick
>duke ahead of anyone

>>92437310

Which one?

>>92437449
https://www.amazon.com/Comics-Encyclopedia-All-New-Matthew-Manning/dp/1465453571

>>92437258
Thanks! Okay, that makes sense. I watched and read the Kelly story but who's the other female Robin unless that's just batgirl but blond

I always thought that Tim Drake would make the best Batman because he doesn't have psychological issues; he's an orphan, of course, but he didn't saw his parents die.
Dick isn't better than Bruce, he is just as good as bruce in action and judgement. So Dick isn't the best option; he's the one who sees things just like Bruce.
Bruce probably thinks he is the best already. So he doesn't need a successor who's better than him, he needs a successor who is just like him.

>>92435777
> Dick Grayson: Also raises Batman's other son because he can't be bothered to do it.

>>92437803
That's Stephanie Brown. She initially took up the identity of Spoiler, but moved onto the Robin mantle (not sure what Tim was doing during this time, he was initially meant to be meeting up with Ted Kord before plans changed). She didn't last too long in the mantle before she was killed off. It was later retconned so that her doctor faked her death and she eventually became Batgirl up until the Flashpoint and then disappeared for a while until getting reintroduced in Batman Eternal.

>>92436290

Jaydick is closing in on JayTim for some reason. At least in fic popularity

>>92437843
>Didn't see his parents die
He totally came in just as Jack was dying.

>>92436252

Jason and Dick since Robin War/Eternal are probably at teir best relationship point

>>92437969
Because Tim hasn't been around in the comics in forever. Most popular gay Batship used to be TimKon, now you're lucky if it's not just background noise.

>>92436898
Nope Dick was an asshole, which he regretted and made up for by being a better brother to Tim.

>>92437969
Because its etter and shippers are finally getting good taste

>>92437969

JayDick is the superior ship because they are the least brother like and nobody is a neglected woobie

> Robin thread
> Full of shitting on each other
> Gay talk

Guys please

>>92438028

Do Dick and Jason get along now?

We all know Dick is gonna win but you guys may yet surprise me

http://www.strawpoll.me/12980494

>>92438175
Yes. Since Tim has died the entire family has improved

>>92438175
New 52 pretty much ignored all the reasons Jason didn't like Dick and started him off as a straight antihero rather than a villain so yeah.

Though they still tend to pair Tim and Jason up whenever all the Robins are together.

>>92438228
> Tim dies
> Things get better

Hmmmm

>>92438236

Strangely enough I liked the Tim and Jason pairing, even though it came at the expense of Dick and Tim. That said the little Dick and Jason we've gotten is pretty good too.

>>92438228
Not really. Rebirth has just been all around decent to great. Tim's absence is not due to this.

>>92438273

What Dick and Jason moments have we gotten? I'm not up to date yet.

So while we're talking about Robins, will there ever be a Batman adaptation that has all four of them (because DC will probably never acknowledge Stephanie)? The DCAU skipped Jason, the DCAMU/Lego DTVs skipped Jason & Tim, Lego Batman only went up to Tim (Damian being DLC for Lego Batman 2 and Jason being unlockable in Lego Batman 3) and Injustice is probably closest, but Tim still only appears in the comic.

>>92438396
One of the Nightwing issues had the two of them talking about Dick dating Shawn.

>>92438444

Hopefulyl some day. Young Justice had 3, although Jasonw as dead, Arkham games also had 3 and Damian still has a chance to appear.

>>92436091
Why is it edgy to kill people who are an immediate threat to the safety and lives of the innocent?SWAT teams do this, are they edgelords?

>>92435918
>Dick Greyson: Batman, if he were allowed to have complex and varied emotions as well as character development.

Raise your fucking child Bruce. Damien is the only non orphan but behaves the most like one because his father is more emotionally distant than a corpse.

No wonder Damien sees Dick as a father more than you.

>>92438645
To be fair, Bruce was dead when Dick made Damian Robin.
The DTVs on the other hand...

>>92438645
Dick is a better dad anyway despite being a slut. He should just adopt Damian and turn his book into Nightwing and Robin. Not like Batman and Robin is happening anyway.

>>92438676
Where's the wheelchair Babsfag?

>>92438676
Wheres Helena also why is Babs so manly?

>>92438676
The first one is the only good one

>>92438236
>>92438273
It's like the reverse of Dick and Damian relationship, in a way.

>>92438987
I actually prefer the dynamics like that One is happy mentor/broody tutor as an opposite of Bruce and Dick

Then Tim and Jason complement each other by being a techs strategist while the other is a streetwise bruiser.


Now since this is still a Robin thread, unpopular opinion time: I want a Red Hood and the Outlaws team featuring Jason, Donna, and Kyle and written by someone who can handle them, like Marz or Winnick.

>>92439159

That truly is an unpopular opinon anon But I understand cause I want Huntress out of that terrible BoP book and with the Outlaws.

>>92438273

Dick and Jason is the strangest Robin pairing. They are both the most alike and the most different at the same time. I think they couldve been good friends without all the resentment.

>>92439854
They really missed the opportunity for a Checkmate book that the end of Grayson sort of put together.

>>92438617
Killing is inherently edgy.

>>92439159
Is Jason always going to be paired with amazon girl types? And kiddish guys?
Because I approve.

>>92440556
Jason, Donna, and Kyle have always been my faves. Countdown would have been my dream book, except. You know. It was still Countdown.

>>92436869
> dat #1

I ain't even mad.

name one thing grayson did wrong

>>92435777
>Damian Wayne
Damian a shit. People attribute more importance to him because >muh legacy through being Batman's son even though he doesn't deserve it.

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>>92443694

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>>92444168
>implying fucking with Barbara is a bad thing
Babs is worst girl and deserves pain

>>92436308
I don't know why these homos are so salty about which Robin is the best, I love them all.

>>92444168
Thats what Babs deserves though

>>92435777
That sounds pretty homoerotic, the whole thing.

>>92439934

To bad brothers in blood is the most we got about them

>>92435777
Remember when Tim was basically DC's Peter Parker in the ninities? Me neither.

>>92435944
>>92437134
Interesting thing here for why Tim is hard to fit into the larger picture. His importance is directly tied to Jason's death. His near twenty year run is swept under the rug because the very foundation for his character requires Batman to be off kilter from a specific story.

>>92445710
That makes sense. In the DCAU, he was meant to be an amalgamation of all three Robins (with Jason having the heaviest influence) while in the DCAMU, Jason never become Robin and thus neither did Tim.
The weird part is that in the New 52, Jason still died but Tim's backstory got changed.

>>92435813
That's the dramatic crux of their relationship. Bruce is a good vigilante mentor, but a terrible dad. He's not good at the thing that Damian NEEDS.

>>92445978
Dicks fills in the other half but damn, Bruce could be shown trying harder

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>>92444227
>>92444584
Why does everyone hate Barbara so much?

>>92445951
Part of why that sucks is that Tim being a Bat fanboy who figures out his identity WITHOUT the Jason Todd baggage gives him no larger role in Batman's life. WITH the Jason Todd baggage makes him a pain to introduce him to new fans, and a nightmare for any future adaptations that want to start with Damian as Robin and Nightwing/Redhood already established. Not to mention he's either phased out of his Robin role by Damian or he's Red Robin from the start, meaning his new identity has way less gravitas to it than Dick's or Jason's.

>>92446585
>least interesting Batgirl but is pushed as Batgirl constantly
>least interesting Dick pairing but is pushed with Dick constantly
>has a self-insert nerd girl personality
>acted like a cunt while she was actually with Dick
>nuBabs is annoying womanchild who acts like a teenage girl while she's in her twenties

>>92446585

I honestly don't. I especially love the Arkham series Babs. But her relationship with Dick is pure shit and I wish it would go away. I'm less iffy about her being Batgirl again, although i do prefer Oracle.

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>>92446585
SHE'S A SLUT

>>92444168

This never fails to make me laugh and cringe

>>92446729
> Jason usually gets Dick hand me downs
> Not even he wants Slutgirl

Jason a tru bro and Babs a tru ho

>>92446797
Jason's a smart guy for avoiding all those STDs

>>92446585
its the wheelchair retcon. also her new costume is garbage.

I thought the whole point of Batman is that he was a brooding loner. I fail to see how him having having sidekicks, any sidekicks at all, is a good idea.

>>92446989
Anon he's had a sidekick since 1940 it's a bit late now

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>>92443694
Not hooking up with this fine gentleman before his character was ruined and salvaged when Priest came back

>>92444168
He said wrong, not right.

>>92446989

Robin has been around nearly as long as Batman. He wasnt always a brooding loner either.

>>92435777
Dick: Hero
Jason: Soldier
Tim: Detective
Damian: Asshole

>>92444168

how is this bad

>>92447024

Did old Joey seem gay for Dick? I hope the new one is.

>>92444168

Post him telling Kory he didnt love her in the pool

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>>92447100
Joey was meant to be gay but Perez and Wolfman thought he was too stereotypical (sensitive, cute, artist, loves his mother, shit dad, etc)

There's too many wink wink nudge nudges for Wolfman to play innocent desu

>>92447207

Dick pls

>>92447177
I'm sorry, but I don't have it.
If anyone else has it, they're free to contribute.

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>>92447229
Joey wants it, anon

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>>92447207
>Deathstroke is gay for Dick while Dick is gay for Deathstroke's son.
true pottery

>>92447273
>Nightwing arrives
>Joey disrobes
I've read enough fanfiction to know where this is going.

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>>92447177
The superior Dick ship in that shitty 2008 run

way better than Dick/Babs and Dick/Kory

>>92447273
Uhh why did he undress?????

>>92447408
Changing to his costume?

>>92447298

Dick looks like a stocky manlet

>>92438154
Same as it ever was

>>92447298
>Those boots

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>>92438154
It's all Robins are good for

>>92446837
What about the one that Artemis inevitably gives him?

RHatO Rebirth has really surprised me with how good it's been.

>>92447421

Thats the PG version.

>>92447408
Because they are gays

>>92447476

Shes a lesbian though

>>92447517
A man can dream, anon.

Although I remember two weeks back someone posted a link to Lobdel's Twitter stating that it may go that way anyway due to executive decision.

>>92436290
>Jaydick 1864 fics on Ao3
JayTim Over 2000 fics ao3

Shippers confirmed for bad taste

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Which one is Bruce's favorite? Be honest with yourself, /co/.

>>92447638
Cass.
Pre-Flashpoint, I'd say Dick or Tim
Post-Flashpoint probably Dick or Damian (mostly because I don't know his interactions with Tim post New-52)

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>>92447638
Not Dick.

>>92435777
>All these fuckers have literally the same fighting style

>>92447638

Its Jason. Its obvious when you put all their interactions together. Then Dick then Damian then Tim.

>>92447746
Pretty sure Jason's the only one that uses guns anon.

>>92447638
You could make an argument for any of them but Tim at this point.

>>92447638
Dick, Damian, and Jason are equally loved I'd say. RIP Cass and Tim's relationship with Bruce

>>92447746
I actually do like that adaptations/later comics have given them signature weapons
>Dick: Escrima sticks
> Jason: Guns
>Tim: Staff
>Damian: Sword

>>92447638
Jason >= Cass = Damian > The rest

Kinda depends on if Dick is a son or a brother to him

>>92445710
You also have had entire sagas dedicated to exploring Dick, Jason, and Damian where the writer jacked off all over the characters. No one cared about Jason until he died. No one cared about Dick until he became Batman. No one cared about Damian until he was paired up with Dick.

Another problem is that the Tim people read about and loved no longer exists. His backstory, personality, character quirks, and relationships with others have all changed. Gone is the kid who did all the stuff anon >>92437134 mentioned, and all we have left is some hypercompetent weirdo with no social skills, completely changed background, and the only thing old Tim and New 52 Tim had in common was that NuTim happened to have the same name as the original because Witness Protection gave it to him.

Of course, you can't argue this because most people only jumped on during Morrison-era Batman where Tim was kind of pushed aside so that Grant could tell his story.

>>92448092
>No one cared about Jason until he died
Scratch that. No one cared about Jason until he became the Red Hood.

>>92447698
They don't exist. Post-Flashpoint Tim was introduced as being estranged from Bruce for some huge fight that was never elaborated upon, and they didn't really interact again until Detective Comics relaunched with its original numbering.

>>92448269
It sounds really shitty to be a Timfag. Only thing bad about being a Damianfag is that he sucks in those DC animated movies and Injustice Damian is full cunt mode. Dickfags have it good for the most part but he often gets bitch treatment.

Jasonfags must be high on life at all times. Best DC animated movie, one of the main antagonists of the finale to a AAA video game series, and popular to be Injustice DLC by fan demand.

>>92448453

Its amazing how Dick gets treated so poorly in outside media despite being a popular character. How did Jason escape that?

>>92448610
He died it's my guess

>>92448453
Each Robin has a downside and an upside:
>Dick: Guaranteed to appear in adaptations, becomes irrelevant/jobs once he's out of the Robin mantle with rare exceptions
>Jason: Rarely shows up in adaptations up until recently, usually gets focus and appears in good adaptations
>Tim: Aside from DCAU and the Lego Batman games rarely the focus, yet never necessarily bad, just sort of there. Probably won't get his personality from the comics
>Damian: Appears in more media than Jason or Tim, the only good adaptation/media he appears in is an episode of Brave And The Bold and even then, his personality is different and it's an imaginary story.

>>92448710
Damian's main upside is that as the main Robin he gets to appear in DC's highest profile comics and his character is only mangled in adaptation, which is something the other three can't say.

>>92448809
I was referring to adaptations and media for the most part. Maybe that's how it balances out.

>>92448453
Its karma for all the years jason spent as a joke and a failure.

>>92447638
justice

>>92448453
Don't forget the fact that RHatO Rebirth has probably been one of the best adaptions of Jason in quite a while, comics-wise.

>>92447854
I dunno. Tynion does have Bruce show more concern to her than Stephanie when Tim "died".

>>92448453
>Dickfags have it good for the most part but he often gets bitch treatment.
Dick is legit terrible in just about every adaptation though. Not even just there like Tim has been since DCAU, but actually terrible.

He was one of the worst DCAU characters, the worst main character in the TT show Timfags will say that was Tim but it wasn't lets get real, terrible in the Arkham games, and is only there for Batman to bitch at or get beat up and die in everything else.

YJ is probably is best adaptation and he was annoying at worst in the first second and basically batman in the second season.

>>92449324
Brave and the Bold and The batman was probably some of his better versions and he probably would've been worse in BTBATB had he shown up more

>>92447207
Fuuuuck!!! Dick is so compassionate... And might be a 2 on the Kinsley scale.. Finally some hope

>>92449324

Why does Dick get shit on so bad?

So, did anyone even grieve in the comics when they thought Tim bit the dust? I mean, we all know he's coming back in the next big Johns event but they think he's dead.

>>92449324
>>92449395
Not to mention that he gets to keep appearing no matter what as mentioned >>92448710

Also, don't downplay that TT Dick ain't loved. He only gets completely shit on in those DC animated movies, but the quality of those has been bad for everyone for years now.

>>92449641
It's been a sort of underlying thing. Bruce was thinking about it during Night of the Monster Men, Tim and SuperBro were who Dick thought of to help him beat Doctor Destiny and I think Tim's death was one of the factors that led to Steph quitting the team.

>>92449616
He's redundant and they usually don't want to make Batman look bad.

>>92449324
I think you're confusing him for Tim.

>>92450179
Tim was Jason in the DCAU and was good overall

And Tim was closer to being Dick than Dick was int he Arkham games and Dick was easily worse than Tim there

And then he barely existed in YJ which is better than being annoying and saying ARE YOU WHELMED desu

>>92446729
>This happens
The toppest of keks

>>92446729

BabsDickJason threesome when?

>>92450401

Take babs out. Repalce with Starfire

>>92450566
Then we gotta add roy

>>92450621

Nobody needs Roy when Dick is there.

>>92450985
Who would you rather hang out with be HONEST

>>92436308

No because the Robins represent being the concept of "Child" in the parent-child relationship to a painful degree, and it compounds if you are not an only child. It is really easy to project yourself into one of them based on your own experiences of childhood and seeking parental love.

>>92451030
Didn't Roy huff dead children or inject them in his veins or something

>>92451187
Nah, that was probably Deathstroke

>>92444168
>>92446729
>Cucked by Kori twice
God this feels just so right.

Poor Tim, the other Robins are in a pretty good place with Rebirth and he got stuck with Tynion's crap for an arc before "dying".

Hopefully DC has something good planned for him after he gets out of Oz's basement

>>92447746
No they don't. Dick is about speed and using his acrobatics and flips to land harder blows. Jason is more a brawler who uses his surroundings, size and dirty tactics. Tim is supposedly the best fighter of the bunch when he's focused and has been mentioned to be the hardest hitter despite his size and youth. Damien is an assassin who is good at mind games to throw his opponents off and capitalize on their mistakes. Just watch them fight they all have different styles if you pay attention.

So, how would Dick, Jason and Damian react in the face of angry and pregnant Starfire, Artemis and Raven respectively?

>>92451030

Cmon man thats gonna go in Dick's favor easily

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>>92451508
Just for you anon.

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>>92435777
>The one whose nature should make him the ideal successor, but the nurture side of things was a complete disaster.

It's funny how Damian was the 10-year old vengeance bomb kid Bruce desperately wanted to be after his parents were brutally murdered.

>>92451979
Why doesn't he love Kori? Being a manlet can only excuse a person so much.

>>92452373
He couldn't handle that Kori loved all cock, no matter who it ws attached to.

>>92451919
>Dick
He'd freak out but handle it like a rational adult and do the right thing.
>Jason
He'd freak out, go on a world tour of killing evildoers for about a week before Batman/Nightwing/TIm comes to talk things out with him. There's some big emotional moment, he spends the rest of the day killing more bad guys, then end up back at home happy and do the right thing.
>Tim
Would've known since the night it was conceived and already had a romantic and beautiful proposal, wedding and honeymoon planned as well as already have his kids supersuit, college and future teen titans pre-screened.

>>92451919
Dick: Runs away because some shit issue like "commitment" or some shit
Jason: Would probably just try his best
Damian: -tt-

>>92447730
Batman is the real Dick

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>>92437843
Ummmm

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>>92445951
>In the DCAU, he was meant to be an amalgamation of all three Robins
You mean BTAS? He was just supposed to be Jason 2.0 because Timm wasn't allowed to use him.

>>92452373
Because editors are cunts

>>92448092
>No one cared about Dick until he became Batman
Early NTT was one of the most successful titles DC has ever published. Ever. They moved more issues per month than DC does across entire lines now.
Dixon's Nightwing was one of DC's top selling books for a few years after it launched.
You could argue that modern Dick became irrelevant in the late 90's to late 00s and was only fixed when he became Batman, but people have cared about Dick as a solo character for decades.

>>92451668
Think about it. Editorial mandated drama did marvels for Jason, even if it took a lot (years and years). This could give him some very interesting story for his background: being stuck for ages (well, maybe not ages, but I bet it will be at least six months in universe)in an isolated cell without chances of escaping from it, and with no means to help the people, even if he now knows what's going on with the DCU.

I think he could have some pretty PTSD for him, and that could be translated into, I don't know, a zen detective, or something (Ok, I liked "life", it was a nice show: sue me).

>>92440526
No, it isn't you soft cunt. Especially when it makes for good writing instead of keeping the antagonist alive for future sales. DC needs their own Punisher.

it's not Bamtan's fault if no one wants to write about Damian except Nightwing fags writers because it's one of the few things they can use to "hurr durr is le better than batman!" things

It's absurd the resentment that fanbase has, even Jasonfags are more fond of Batman than Mr. Nice Guy Grayson.

The hilarious thing is when Dickfags call other characters marysues despite Dick being loved by everyone and only "losing" so they can have fanservice scenes for the retarded audience.

>>92458684
>it's not Bamtan's fault if no one wants to write about Damian e
The cunt Scott synder is fault and duke cancer.

>>92458705
Damifan pls.

>>92438617
swat teams are sanctioned by the law

>>92458745
SYNDER you are a cunt :)