What was Brian's absolute lowest moment? Just the shittiest

>>92422646
Telling Meg that God can't exist because why would a God let someone like her exist.

Intentionally infecting Stewie with herpes obviously

>>92422686
I haven't followed family guy in years, so forgive me for asking this, but
what

>>92422683
It's been a while since I saw that episode, but looking back that is pretty unbelievably insulting

>>92422706
t. muslim

>>92422683
>>92422742
Brian only said that because there was no other way to get her to stop acting like an insufferable god botherer.
She wouldnt listen otherwise.
And he was right. What kind of just god would allow her to be born into a family that treats her like shit.

>>92422709
Stewie wants to become blood brothers with Brian.
Brian was like "Gee I don't know" but Stewie kept insisting so he went with it.
And that's how he gives Stewie Herpes.
I love family guy in the background.

>>92422646
>this episode keeps pushing that Brian is likable and attractive with this smile
>makes him look like a retard with an overbite
>human characters with the same smile look ok

>>92422797
Can herpes even be transferred like that?

>>92422683
>>92422686
>>92422706
Thank God I don't watch family guy anymore

>>92422830
What do you think I am a fucking doctor, go google it asshole.

>>92422793
Yeah, but it just came off as the douchiest way to prove atheism to somebody.

Besides, I hated that episode because I thought it would be like that Futurama episode about Star Trek, but with the TNG cast this time. Then it turned out they were sidelined in favor of a "Religion is bad" episode. Like fuck, Seth. I don't give a shit about atheism. Just show me the TNG cast goofing around and making jokes.

>>92422903
Herpes is not present in blood and so would not be contracted in the episode.
its like the AIDS scare episode of Captain Planet was real

>>92422683
He was right tho.

No good god would allow such an abusing family to exist.

>>92422646
Okay here's what gets me. This episode ends with Brian "losing"

But. . . He sold Quagmire a crap property, and ran out the clock before he could get a refund. I don't understand how he lost.

>>92422686
so like I still dont get WHY he did that, like what was the intention?

>>92422706
I swear to god I've seen this exact same posting style and vitriol towards women on this board before. Mysog-anon?

>>92422646
That time he tried to commit statutory rape.

Coming back from the dead

Why is Family Guy still on? Its ratings are in the toilet, and it doesn't have any recent merchandise to sell.

>>92422838
> countries are going to be brought down by family guy

you /pol/bros really need to go outside for once.

>>92422706
Bonnie cheated on Joe before, too. Remember when she went to France? She fucked a couple of France people before she almost stayed with that other crippled guy.

The AA episode where he and Peter give this idiotic, smug rant about how AA is just as bad as being an alcoholic because it is an "addiction" and bring booze into the meeting.

His lowest moment began when Seth McFarlane started using him as his self insert.

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>>92423211
>Why is Family Guy still on?
No idea.

Here's a question though, is there anything that can top what happened in this episode?

>>92423268
It's sad. Pre-cancellation Brian was one of my favorite cartoon characters, but everything after is seemingly devoted to make him as loathsome as possible.

>>92423291
Oh no

>>92423291
what eps is that?

the brian/stewie episodes are the only ones worth watching

>>92422686
This is the worst thing I remember back when I still watched it. I hope Family Guy hasn't tried to top it since.

>>92422686
And Chris. And also every other woman he has ever had sex with.

He had herpes since the beginning.

>>92422646
How about tricking that blind girl into fucking him? I don't quite remember much about that episode though I could be wrong.

I'd say brian's worst moment was either giving stewie hepatitis or when his son(whom he abandoned with an abusive, neglectful mom) came back and he took advantage of his child stardom.

>>92423441
it's in the filename.

>>92422646
You can't post this kind of stuff. Brian goes lower and lower as times goes by.

>>92423211
Syndication money.

>>92422646
Offhand probably when he purposely left Stewie and a bunch of other children in the care of super neglectful / abusive babysitter / nanny just so he could hook up with her

He only decided to help Stewie and the other kids the second he found out she had a boyfriend

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>>92423291
Brian moment? I dunno.

Family Guy Moment? Pic related.

>>92423842
>>92422683
>>92422686
>>92423179
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>>92423268
After reading all of this, I have to wonder why people were sad when he 'died'.

>>92423839
They already have 280 episodes made. You could cancel it, and syndication audiences wouldn't notice for years.

>>92423952
/co/ wasn't.

>>92423952
Most of the people who were sad were idiots who like every episode of the show regardless, or people who stopped watching before it really went to shit and found out about it in passing. Everyone else knew it for what it was: A shallow attempt to grab ratings.

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>>92423952
>>92424044
never4get

>>92423015
Quagmire destroyed his dental work after the clock ran out. So he ended up back at square one, especially since the only reason he had his realtor job was his post-dental work smile.

Also, we don't know how he got his mouth fixed again between episodes (Lois and Peter were upfront jerks telling Brian they didn't give a shit about his teeth damage, even though it was all Peter's fault to begin with)

>>92423232
They actually retconned Bonnie whoring around in France to Lois spreading gossip....

>>92425097
When did they retcon that?

>>92425346
The episode where Peter manipulates Joe into fucking a new female cop that just joined the force.

Peter keeps pestering Joe to fuck his coworker, siting the fact that Lois told Peter that Bonnie fucked a bunch of guys in France when she went on her trip with Lois.

Bonnie finds out and Joe justifies his adultery by pointing out that Bonnie did it first. At which point Bonnie reveals that she didn't cheat on Joe in Paris and that Lois was a liar, trying to break up their marriage for the evilulz

>>92422686
Oh come on how was that bad? Herpes is just a name. If it was called bapo you wouldn't call it a bad moment.

When did Brian bone Bonnie?

>>92426419
S14E16, they run off together but it falls apart when neither of them have a character or a backbone.

>>92426575
So is Bians's and Joe's relationship is stained forever, just like with Quigmire or is the whole thing ignored in later episodes?

>>92422683
This logic gets really baffling considering that God and Jesus exist in Family Guy's universe.

I'm reminded of that shitty gag where Brian and Stewie visit the alternate reality where religion never existed, even though the Sistine Chapel is there for some reason. There isn't a lot of thought put into making the jokes coherent.

>>92426662
To be fair, Family Guy's always been shit when trying to tell a message. Like the abuse episode with Quagmire's sister. What the fuck does FG think it was doing by making an "abuse is bad" episode when you have the characters fuck up Meg every week?

>>92422683
>>92422793
>a classic atheistic fallacy where one supposes that the moral system of the potentially existing higher being would for some reason be the same as their own
We don't have the same moral system as goldfish now, do we?

At the end of Seahorse Seashell Party or whatever, helps convince Meg to let herself be abused so the family will stick together.

But that whole episode was terrible, anyway.

>>92427786
Why is Meg abuse even a running gag? It was kind of funny the first few times, but after that, it's like "Okay..." Like when Simpsons did a running gag about things getting in Lenny's eye. It wasn't amusing or anything. It was just weird.

>>92427818
They made Meg dorky and unlucky and then escalated it into an insane abuse victim in their pursuit of edgy exagerration.

But Family Guy has no consistency. Depending on a gag, people might treat Meg decently, or act as she's some kind of abomination. Or throw some random joke about her being sexually harassed by a teacher in contradiction to premise she's heinous.

>>92427731
Goldfish aren't omniscient.

>>92427846
Way to miss the point huh anon?
I'll explain just in case more retarded people come in here:
>we are smarter than goldfish
>this results in out worldview being much more vast and complex
>the higher being should be smarter than us
>but for some people shills think its worldview wouldn't be much more vast and complex that ours as a result

>>92427818
They don't know how to write teenage girls, so they just make her a punching bag.

Which is weird, because they were doing a fine job writing her as a teenage girl in the early episodes.

>>92427846

And neither are you

>>92427881
I don't expect goldfish to worship me for shitting in its bowl.

>>92427899

Why do you always insist on being God in these scenarios?

A Goldfish might be upset or confused if you remove it from its tank to clean it, but cleaning the tank is still good for the fish.

>>92427935
I didn't create the rules that requires me to disturb the goldfish. God, who is omniscience and omnipotent, willingly created world full of suffering and hate. Either he's not omniscient/potent, or not benevolent.

>>92427881
You're lending to an unfalsifiable world view then, where you can excuse anything under "it probably plays into God's complex world understanding".

>believing in a human perspective of a god
Whatever god might really be, it's nothing like anyone on earth have ever imagined

>>92427979

You're only basing that on your limited, selfish idea of benevolence. Either way the Problem of Evil is well explored and if you ever find yourself seriously interested there are many ways to reconcile it.

>>92427986
Well, that's kinda the point. It doesn't make sense for us to argue whether there's a higher being or not at the time when we are still not developed enough to know for sure.

>>92428029
I'm really not that interested into figuring out how many plot holes your fantasy book actually has, to be honest.

>>92426662
>alternate reality where religion never existed
>everything is somehow better
Really liked it when I was an edgy teen but that episode just pisses me off today.

>>92423940
fuck, forgot about this one.

>>92428062

It's entirely internally consistent actually, and the book isn't as painfully literal as you like to insist.

Just say you don't want to be Christian or religious, because you seriously don't have to be. No need to make an uneducated strawman of the thing, because all you're doing is making bad arguments from ignorance.

>>92422686
Was about to post this. That was honestly disgusting, not even remotely funny.

>>92427979
>God, who is omniscience and omnipotent, willingly created world full of suffering and hate.
He gave humans the power to decide on their own. Not surprisingly, the world's shittiest places have a twisted understanding of God (ie most of Africa and the Middle East) while countries that are founded on Judeo-Christian values thrive (America)

>>92422793
i thought it was more about how she's ugly while lois is hot rather than how she has a shitty family?

the shitty family comes later during the hurricane crossover (kinda).

>>92428175
it was both iirc

>>92428150

And the people who are doing poorly (the middle east and Africa) are actually those who hold more fundamentalist and mortally physical understandings of God and religion. Western religion is highly metaphysical and mostly focused on internal growth of the individual nowadays, whereas the religions who are violent today are the ones which are underdeveloped when it comes to writing and philosophy.

So when did 4chan become an unironic episode of Moral Orel, exactly?

>>92428150
Humans invented polio, smallpox, genetic disorders, flies that lay eggs in your eyes, the need to kill just to survive? News to me.

>>92428043
Kind of a dead end in terms of discussion here. I suppose I agree with you that taking religious language literally is fairly meaningless. Personally I'm not convinced by the existence of a God but it wouldn't shatter my reality.
Actually it probably would but that's true for anybody.

>>92428178
ah! the comparison reasoning was the only one i could remember from the brian's speech.

>>92428183
Christianity is practiced in both the Middle East and Africa, dummy.

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>>92428188

>when an atheist takes unprovoked shots at religion but his gang isn't around to back him up

>>92427887
the sad fact is that's how BRIAN got post-prison Meg to revert back to her old self (she was robing mort's pharmacy iirc) an actual sincere article he wrote about Meg.

the contradiction to that episode and the hurricane one is baffling.

>>92428209
You do know that 4chan didn't always used to be a bastion for right-wing conservative christians, right? In this scenario, you are the newfag.

>>92428198

Certaintly, there are definitely regressive and violent forms of Christianity. I wasn't trying to say that Christianty was so good that it can't be violent. Religious violence tends to come from fundamentalists regardless of which religion they belong to.

>>92428193
>Humans invented polio, smallpox, genetic disorders, flies that lay eggs in your eyes, the need to kill just to survive? News to me.
The problem here is you assume God plays a direct role in every little thing that happens in the world. He is the Creator, not the puppet master

>>92422646
Exist

>>92428231

I've been here plenty long, grown with the site, in fact. I guess you're upset that you thought this was 'your turf', but you still got called out for your uneducated bitching, yeah?

>>92428232
>there are definitely regressive and violent forms of Christianity

It literally originated in the region. And as for Africa, it was brought in by colonials and missions during the 19th century. What you see there is virtually the exact same thing we have here.

>>92428236
>The problem here is you assume God plays a direct role in every little thing that happens in the world.

That is literally what omnipresence is, by definition.

>>92428193
>the need to kill just to survive
Funny how atheists miss the fact that in a society that doesn't believe in something higher than themselves, they would have absolutely no reason to live except to fuck and die.

>>92428248
I'm saying for a guy who takes the bible word-for-word, this site isn't the right place for you. Just a few boards over and you can find lesbian horse porn; not exactly the spitting image of a christian.

>>92428259
>literally
Stop using words you don't understand. Being present everywhere does not mean you are CONTROLLING everything.

>>92428278
No, but that's what omnipotence is.

>>92428250
>What you see there is virtually the exact same thing we have here.
Spoken like someone who hasn't been to Africa. They're idea of God is someone who rains down gifts whenever he feels like it, that your success is entirely dependent on God and God alone. Try signing up to a mission there once, you'll see how it is different

>>92428291
Doesn't sound too different to me.

>>92428286
>Omnipotence
>the state of being widespread or constantly encountered.
You really need to look up the definition

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>>92428297
>Doesn't sound too different to me.
Your loss. Once you start living outside of your parent's house you'll understand the difference.

>>92428321
Whoops, though you meant omnipresence. Anyway
>able to do anything
>that must mean He controls everything
Didn't really prove your point now did it?

>>92428321
Uh oh, he looked up the definition, and even though it disagreed with his own weird definition of omnipotence as playing "a direct role in every little thing that happens in the world", he posted it anyway!

>>92423952
Some of those actions were commited after his "revival" (the herpes episode was in fact the first episode aired after Christmas Guy).

>>92428321
I think you're mistaking ability with intent

>>92427731
That's literally what Jesus says you contrarian.

>>92428334
If you have control over everything and exist everywhere, yet actively choose not to intervene when bad things happen, that makes you a malicious being. Why worship that?

>>92428275

Ah, so you're going to have to pretend I'm a fundamentalist in order to pretend your spiritual edginess is justified, I see. Look, you can be educated in religion without being a fundie, and you can be aware of and apply Christianity intelligently in your life like the philosophy it is. It's a legitimate part of human philosophy and is a history of people's relationship with pursuit of truth, it means something.

I'm sincerely sorry that someone of perceived authority convinced you that only his personal hardass Christianity was true.

>>92428261
>in a society that doesn't believe in something higher than themselves, they would have absolutely no reason to live except to fuck and die
This doesn't necessitate that a higher being exists, though. It's more likely that there just is no meaning and we're just fumbling around and existing, which is absolutely fine.

>>92427979
I highly doubt your fedora ass would actually want what you whine about.

>Why doesn't God create the perfect fascist system where either we're all lobotomized worshipers or are watched so perfectly that the smallest sin is punished immediately

I for one would not want my dick to shrivel up if I masturbated. I'm rather content with the idea that if God's there then he's giving me a lifetime to think of my actions and willingly choose to give up porn for His sake.

>>92428297

I can see why you have such a wounded relationship with religion, if the only people you think are Christians are those loud fundamentalist welfare queens. Hundreds of millions of successful and intelligent Christians quietly go about their business.

>>92428399
Then may I ask, what on earth are you doing here?

>>92428188
These things come in waves.

Right now it's cool to believe in the magic space wizard on 4chan.

>>92428361
>yet actively choose not to intervene when bad things happen, that makes you a malicious being.
A malicious being is something that actively tries to hurt you. This is disregarding the fact that we are lowering God to our level by applying our principles and feelings to him (which is where most Atheistfags fail to begin with)

>>92428447
>magic space wizard
Once you get to experience the harsh realities of life, you'll get over your "Flying spaghetti monster amirite guys" phase too

>>92428361

Because those things are only 'bad' according to your ego's limited idea of good and bad. Suffering is not cosmically bad, it's merely the result of a desire to do good and carry on.

>>92428451
>A malicious being is something that actively tries to hurt you.

Inaction can be malicious, dumbass. If you were witness to a murder and had the ability to stop it, you'd be tried as abetting a crime. Why would god be any different?

>>92428470
Dude, if you can't even accept human suffering as a bad thing, then I think your supposed values are fucked up to begin with.

>>92428441

Discussing comics and cartoons, and hopefully providing evidence of intelligence in religion to someone who has been let down by the undereducated.

>>92428465
Or you'll realize nothing matters, once you die your worm food, so make the most of the limited time you get here on earth.

>>92428477
>Inaction can be malicious, dumbass. If you were witness to a murder and had the ability to stop it, you'd be tried as abetting a crime. Why would god be any different?
Here's a thought dumbass: stop trying to give God all the responsibilities or stop thinking of him as your parent. People like you are the same idiots who want a nanny state

>>92428492
Yet you don't seem to be doing either.

>>92428500
Then what responsibilities befit a god, and how was this decided on?

>>92428495
>so make the most of the limited time you get here on earth.
I will. Of course, living according to Judeo-Christian values instead of just eating, fucking, shitting, and dying, makes it easier and more enjoyable

>>92428361
When did not stopping bad things happen make you malicious?

Just because you see bad things happen and don't do anything to prevent them doesn't make you malicious. To be malicious you have to actively take a role in doing harm to the person or thing.

If Person A wakes up from their nap on a train to see Person B getting raped by Person C, but just goes back to sleep. Person A isn't malicious, they might be "wrong" for inaction or preventing a crime from happening, but they aren't malicious they were an observer who observed or continued on with their business.

Get out your feelings.

>>92428517
Some would say he saves your soul, which is a recurring theme in religion as a whole. Anything else is mortals trying to bullshit you.

>>92428495
>Nothing matters
If this was true. Why don't you kill yourself?

Nihilist talk too much shit, but never back it up.

>>92428530
You do know what you just described is a felony, right?

>>92428488

Of course it's bad, it hurts and sucks, people die and they have be worst lives and it's a shame for an existence to take place only in suffering. Suffering is pretty much the worst thing in the universe. However, isn't it true that suffering is merely a result of desire, desire to live or to fight? To be great? To be strong? Can we not suffer to do good in this world?

All that is good in this world is actuated through suffering or a desire to ease suffering. Our relationship with suffering is our very identity as humans. Without it, what would we be? Can you name a living thing that does not suffer, and can you ask yourself why they do not suffer?

>>92428517
>God
>responsibilities
The fuck is this shit

>>92428543
And how does that work? Stop moving the goalpost and give a straight answer for once.

>>92428361
I think the word you are looking for is "passive" not malicious.

>>92428545
Anon you missed the point of being malicious in the example.

You also missed the part of: "preventing a crime." in the text.

>>92428506

Do you believe in natural law? Do you believe nature law changes, ever?

>>92428547
>Can you name a living thing that does not suffer.
Jellyfish

>Can you ask yourself why they do not suffer?
Is it because they just swim around all day not giving a fuck?


Did I do good senpai?

>>92428547
Great argument. I also took Intro to Philosophy my freshman year. Of course, if you had paid enough attention, you might have heard this response:

It's not necessary for their to be opposing colors for one color to be defined. Orange does not need to be present to differentiate between one shade of blue and another, in the same sense that suffering does not need to be present for happiness to exist.

>>92428552
You serious? I'm not the one trying to make sense of a higher being's motives. You seem to misunderstand: people do not believe in God because they proved that he exists. Faith requires you take a leap and stop thinking of yourself or your base needs for once. The only reason why religion is still kicking is because people who took that leap of faith stopped killing each other long enough to cooperate and make our lives less shitty. If man did not believe that there is some purpose to all this, do you really think he would actually give a shit what his fellow man would think?

>>92428547
no, suffering isn't a result of desire
suffering is a result of pain and pain is a physical phenomenon occurring because of the biology of your nerves and brain
If I cut off your leg, you don't suffer because of a desire, you suffer because I cut off your leg

>>92428477
>Inaction can be malicious
Not necessarily. Action makes you a moral agent, and therefore you become responsible for the act and furthermore the consequences.
In the trolley problem for example, redirecting the train to kill one instead of three may seem like the better act. However, a deontological ethicist (an ethicist who concerns themselves with the act itself and not the consequence) would argue that inactivity in that situation would leave you morally clean, whereas pulling the lever, and thus killing to save a life, uses human life as an ends to a mean, instead of a mean in and of itself, which is morally bad.
In more direct relation to your statement, God acting within human affairs would serve to make his morality arbitrary as it would not make sense for him to act to save one person but not every person.
Furthermore, as judgement is a cornerstone of Christian belief, God acting to prevent evil detracts from him as a fair judge as it would mean he infringes on our freedom to make decisions.
Certain philosophers, such as Boethius, would also reject God's omnipresence, claiming him to be outside of space and time to keep him immutable and perfect. This means his omnipotence is limited to the logically possible, preventing him from interacting but allowing him to fairly judge good or evil.
There is a lot of different responses to the problem of evil and you can pick and choose. Or you can respond as many anons in the thread did, and point out that meaning cannot be derived from concepts such as Omnipotence or Omniscience, which we have no human frame of reference to, as they are impossible according to our understanding of reality. As such even if they do exist we cannot meaningfully talk about them literally.

>>92428409
if god loves free will so much, he let people suffer and die, why won't he let me teleport to Mars and levitate Olympus Mons with my mind?

Why is one covered under free will and not another?

>>92423297
Pre cancellation family guy is the dullest thing ever

>>92428639
>If man did not believe that there is some purpose to all this, do you really think he would actually give a shit what his fellow man would think?
Yes, as opposed to only giving shit what his imaginary friend he uses as conscience substitute thinks.

>>92428552

God is all the laws of nature together. By existing within that set of true laws, a man can interact with them and find a place within them to operate. This operation is called 'purpose'. Mortal existence, in itself, is suffering. Suffering without purpose, one loses their self. Your 'self' is saved from that loss when your 'suffering' is given 'purpose'. To know the way the world works around you, and to work amongst it in wisdom of these laws, is to ally yourself with eternal natural laws. Our 'souls' are delivered to 'purpose' through wisdom of 'God's laws' (laws like gravity, power, attraction of forces), and a willingness to work according to them. In short, are souls are delivered to eternal meaning through faith in eternal meaning beyond us. We are uplifted from a state of meaningless suffering to a state of eternal grace by becoming wise to what is eternal, and becoming an ally to it.

You're already doing all of this. You actually already got the message years and years ago.

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>>92428704
>this entire post

>>92428586
You got it, Jellyfish don't suffer because they don't give a fuck. They couldn't even if they wanted to. We can give a fuck, so we can suffer if we want to. (But only if we want to, remember suicide is painless)

>>>92428644
Suffering caused by physical pain is a biological evolution caused by a natural desire for all mortal things worthy of survival to pursue life. Our very bodies are designed to hurt when we do not pursue life. Pain is evolved to support life.

>>92428592
Dead things neither love nor suffer. Can you name a living thing that doesn't both love and suffer? Can you name an instance of suffering that isn't caused by the loss of love?

>>92428759
But it's not your desire. It's not a desire you chose.

>>92428399
>this is was a reverse fedora tipper sounds like

Interesting

>>92428814

But your desire still belongs to you. You're more than just a brain, desire doesn't end with thought, your body's desires are its own as well.

>>92428925
A desire it's impossible to stop having and whose reason for existing was fulfilled before your birth?

Not yours.

>>92428970

So it's not your job to reconcile with your existence, then? Nothing is yours unless you made it, then, including your body?

>>92428998
You can't be held responsible for things you didn't cause.

>>92429006

And you don't create yourself, in any way? You create your attitude, actions and thoughts, don't you? Do you not feel responsible for your behavior? Can you cal yourself a self-made man if you are not self-responsible?

>>92429006

Also lmao try getting away telling that to your boss when you fail to solve a problem. You're confusing 'fault' with 'responsibility', you're more concerned with avoiding accountability than you are taking control.

>>92429116
>create yourself
not the pain-related parts. Just because you contribute to parts of yourself, it doesn't mean you're responsible for everything.

>>92429135
So god is your cosmic boss, good to know.
Also, false analogy, because you choose to get a job on your own, you don't choose to feel pain.

>>92422793
>>92423005

That wasn't even his argument though. What he said was what kind of just god would give her a Mother as hot as Lois and have her genetically take after her Father instead.

Is this thread even about Family Guy anymore

>>92429179

'Responsible' as in 'it's your job to take care of it', not 'I invented it all by myself'. You can give a fuck and take responsibility for anything you want, least of all your self. You've already taken responsibility in your own life in some capacity so I don't know why you're pretending you have no sense of self-responsibility. You would blame yourself if you lost your teeth for not ever brushing them, and not shake a hopeless fist at the demon plaque, I would hope. If your dad gives you a car it's your responsibility if you crash it. If the universe gives you life, and you implicitly accept by not killing yourself, then you have taken on some responsibility at least to live. You are at least responsible for your actions, including the choice to be a chemical reductionist. Responsibility isn't just some chore your boss puts on you, it's something people take on because they choose to give a fuck.

You are welcome to not give a fuck, and you are welcome to live without the ability to rule yourself. But the fact is you already give a fuck about your life, so don't turn around and pretend you don't understand self-responsibility.

>>92429331
You can't choose to not give a fuck about pain.

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>>92429351

Unironically pic related

You can choose to end your suffering at any time, but many do not. Why?

>>92429410
You get hell for that, if there's god anon, you still get pain.

>>92427731
One of the basic tenets of christianity is that moral truth is absolute and intrinsically known. Christianity rejects both the notion of subjective morality AND the notion that one might be confused as to what is morally correct.

>>92429515

If you're Catholic at least. My point being is that across the world most prefer to suffer than to not exist. They allow themselves to suffer in order to cling to life.

>>92428029
>The Problem of Evil is well explored.
Quite so.

>there are many ways to reconcile it
Not in the least so, as if that were the case it would not longer be a fundamental argument of philosophy.

>>92429545

Not since Vatican II, or Protestantism for that matter.

>>92429563

Philosophy IS a fundamental argument: no philosophy is universally agreed.

>>92428659
>a deontological ethicist
Is incompatible with christian morals, as they are indeed concerned with consequence.

>God acting within human affairs would make his morality arbitrary because it wouldn't make sense to save one person and not everyone
Close, it would defeat the notion that god is all-good. If you accept god's existence under the christian definition you must accept that morality is an objective property.
>God exists outside of time to preserve perfectness
This fails on its face because if one exists outside of time they cannot change, and god is shown many times in the bible to change his mind, perform actions, and experience emotions.

>meaning cannot be derived from omnipotence or omniscience
This is foolishness. Just because a human cannot actually be omnipotent doesn't mean they cannot conceive of the consequences of omnipotence.

Do you think we're unable to do calculus because it involves infinity?

>>92429557
You also have suffering from fear of death. Both suffering from pain and from fear of death are literally written if your fucking body. Pain is not the result of your desire, it's a freaking constant, for some people.

>>92429619
>no philosophy is universally agreed
Wrong, they're just no longer philosophy once they're agreed upon.

Or are you going to dispute cogito ergo sum?

>>92429580
Perhaps directly, but the portrayal of modern christianity does not provide a god that would allow someone to be incorrectibly-wrong about moral truths, and Christianity has always said that morals are absolute and not subjective. To say that God's moral system is different from our own is to completely misunderstand Christianity.

>>92427683
Don't forget that before the abuse episode there was one where Meg finds out that her being abused all the time is the only thing that stops the family from falling apart and decides to stick with it for their sake.

>>92429656

God is eternal and always the same, He just applies differently in different times. Like the same equation with different values for x, where the x value is the given time.

Also God as a vocally speaking and mood-changing entity is a characterization of natural forces.

>>92423483
>And Chris.

Wait, Brian fucked Chris?

>>92429658

It's coded in our body as an evolved means of survival, because life begets life. The suicidal impulse repeatedly removes itself from existence. There is some natural call to life.

>>92429725
>God is eternal and always the same, He just applies differently in different times
Even a cursory reading of the bible says otherwise.

>Also God as a vocally speaking and mood-changing entity is a characterization of natural forces.
Not according to Christianity. I don't really give a good god damn about your fanfiction.

>>92429692

I'm just saying that you can reconcile the Problem of Evil if you consider yourself to be the appointed destroyer of Evil in your own life.

>>92429829
That is idiotic and I don't think you know what the problem of evil is.

>>92429846

>Problem of Evil: How can God be benevolent if he allows suffering and evil to exist?
>Answer: Because the most benevolent thing to do to humans is to challenge them to confront evil

>>92427818
>Why is Meg abuse even a running gag?

It was supposed to be a joke based off how fans absolutely hated Meg in the early episodes of the show but the joke dragged on for so long they don't know what to do with her now.

>>92429883
>Problem of Evil: How can God be benevolent if he allows suffering and evil to exist?
So close and yet so far.

The Problem of Evil is concerned not with the allowance of suffering but the existence of evil in the first place.

It is not about questioning why god does or does not do something, interfere, etc. It is the logical conclusion that if the universe was made (even just its boundary conditions and rules) by an all-knowing all-powerful and all-good god then evil simply cannot exist. From whence would it come that would not necessarily break one of our premises?

>>92425813
which could also be a lie.

what a dumb episode.

>>92428361
The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.

So if an omnipotent being that considers himself the ultimate good and salvation of man does nothing in the face of the plight and suffering caused to man by the evil that he claims to oppose, he is literally allowing evil to win through sheer negligence.

Either that or he's a glorified docentarian, just sitting back and observing and rewarding people for earning "good boy points" on the face of the pain and suffering that he inadvertently created and thrust upon us.

>>92429946

Calling God entirely good is a means of giving respect beyond comprehension to the highest power.

>>92430098
Not according to Christianity.

Again: not interested in your fanfic beliefs

>>92430121

Well I'm afraid you're going to have to talk to a pastor if you're going to wholesale disallow any reading between the lines.

>>92430190
That's a bit more than "reading between the lines" anon.

That's literal blasphemy.

>>92428188
I'm atheist and still find Brian to be fucking insufferable. Calling someone ugly is not a very persuasive argument on why god isn't real.

>>92430325

Is this the part where the atheist disingenuously plays the role of a medieval authoritarian Catholic bishop and takes on the highest level of strictness in order to disqualify the rest of Christendom?

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>>92429409
This is unequivocally true

So God is evil because he gave humans free will?

It'd be more fucked up if we were his happy little puppets, to never live to chase our own ambitions

>>92430820
Wow Lois, this is almost as bizarre as that time I had to fight my great-great-granduncle Dio Griffin.

>>92430839

Exactly. All I see here is a bunch of people who pretend to wish they were never created and who pretend to forsake their existence.

>>92427818
To be fair, Meg is just as shitty of a person

>>92428495
THIS! WUBBA LUBBA DUB DUB

>>92422646
What even happened in this episode? I heard something really graphic/gruesome was shown.

>>92431919
Brian breaks his teeth pretty violently.

>>92423441
>the brian/stewie episodes are the only ones worth watching
are they equivalent of Randy episodes from South Park?

>>92432051

Randy became shit after Season 12 or so. Once he became an overused character he went downhill. Whole show went down after season 12 though.

>>92424185
I still can't believe thats a real tattoo

>>92427881
>le works in mysterious ways XD

>>92426662
The problem is that when shows have the "Religion never existed" scenario they always mean Christianity and forget that other religions have existed for thousands of years

>>92428544
Why do kids think "nothing matters" translates to "you should kill yourself"? All it means is nothing has any intrinsic "meaning" given to it by any higher power. You can make whatever fucking meaning you want in life, and live based on what you choose. If the only thing keeping you from killing yourself is Sky Grandpa, then you've got some real issues.

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>>92428495
Upvoted;
fuck religion >:( my mom made me go to church when I was little and it cut into my xbox time >>:((

>Seth MacFarlane will never kill himself

>>92435861
I wonder how different FOX would have ended up if Seth really did die during 9/11 had he actually made it to his flight on time

>>92433505
>lol your argument is invalid because greentext

Giving a baby herpes is up there

>>92433623
I feel sad for you, I hope everything works out for you in the end.

Not Brian related but I distinctly remember Stewie being anally raped by the household plant.

>>92423952
>Implying anyone cares enough about Family Guy by this point

>>92428275
>>92428188
You dont have to be a christian to know anti-theists are a bunch of retards

>>92422683
When did the """writers""" decide that shitting on Meg in depressingly abusive ways was the height of comedy?

>>92429545
Your point might be an interesting one but it doesn't address a for-or-against position on what's been stated.

>>92423211

Fox doesn't want it to end. Seth has been wanting to end the show for a while now, but Fox won't let him stop making episodes.

>>92423952

I wanted to be happy about him dying, but I couldn't because I knew it was just a stupid stunt for ratings and he would be back on the show soon enough. I was right.

>>92430804
It's the part where the atheist seems to be able to assume an opposing point of view to highlight its faults and has a more rigorous theological understanding than the Christian.

t. not the original anon

>>92430839
>>92430981
It's about irreconcilable theological positions and dogmas. And it's retarded to assume that atheists wish they were never created when they don't believe they were created.

>>92422646
To be fair, being a star real estate agent doesn't leave much room for ethics. Even an arms dealer guarantees what he promises you.

>>92428188
I AM DROWNING

>>92422646
>Watch some classic episodes
>Brian is a smartass, but endearingly so
>Works as a foil to Peter's stupidity
>Seth provides a deadpan tone that works perfectly with the character

>Watch newer episode
>Brian is a thirsty piece of shit whose entire character is being overly pretentious

It's a shame, because I used to love Family Guy when t first came out.

>>92430964
Have they even done any "*insert name* Griffin" relatives/ancestors since the revival? I know they had like a dozen of the things in the pre-cancellation era, probably part of what inspired Roger's numerous alias.

>>92440220
Same. It was still stupid, but enjoyably so. Not long into the revival, it just turned into schlock that kept finding deeper holes of depravity, and not the ones that spurt comedic gold like South Park's, just absolute shit like playing a fucking Rick Astley song because "Hey, isn't this song too long and given a poorly made music video? HUH?! HUUUUUH?!"

Doesn't help that they could had better candidates for people to have beef with Brian. Joe would have been a better rival given the two were partners on the police force, and when Brian got into drugs, that could have been the foundation for Joe having grief with him. Nope, let's have Quagmire be the one to hate him despite the previous episode with the two showing them being quite friendly, oh, and let's have Quagmire attempt to take the higher ground despite being a rapist and the father of dozens, if not hundreds of bastard children.

>>92442549
Now I remember why I dropped the show. All the Conway Twitty gags and blatant grabs and what was a meme at the time of airing. Like that clip of Peter commenting on Christian Bale's outrage during Terminator Salvation.

>>92423291
No I'd say that was the absolute worst but I don't pin that on Brian being shit. This was more of a Stewie thing, but the event in general is the worst

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>God doesn't exist because bad things happen
Lel

>>92446004
This is honestly the same thing religious people say about God's existence (good things happen because God exists)
It's the same argument flipped. This is why I stay away from religious discussion altogether.