What is even the point of these 2 now other than autistic shipping

>>92392365
no

the characters they were and the arcs they should have had were derailed by Zuke and her autism

Its probably too late to save them

>>92392365

Peridot was there for the plot before her character was assassinated, so maybe she could go back to that.
Lapis is for porn

>>92392365
I wonder if the same writer behind Bubbline is the one writing Lapis and Peridot episodes now.

>>92392365
The barn is where characters go to die

>>92392472
>the characters they were and the arcs they should have had were derailed by Zuke and her autism
This, but it's not Zuke's fault, entirely. Sugar should have known better than to allow her to run wild for as long as she did. Boarder driven or not, nothing gets done without the showrunner's approval. There's plenty of blame to go around.

>>92392555
Topaz are canonical incest lesbians and they will be put in the Barn. Screencap this.

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>>92392365
rebecca became jealous that people found the gems she didn't create more popular than the ones she did
and yes the team mostly created peridot without her and whoever his name posted pictures of Lapis's design years ago
so now they are in exile in the barn and are literally irrelevant to the plot. Hence why all the shit went down in the last episode and Steven didn't think once to fucking call them WHEN THEY BOTH HAVE CELLPHONES
oh but don't worry guys, LARS IS GOING TO HOMEWORLD WITH STEVEN

>>92392538
Bubbline actually has build up and development though. Lapis and Peridot's friendship develops almost entirely offscreen.

>>92392615
I fucking hate Lars.

>>92392615
What if this arc resolves with the Crystal Gems using the ancient gem colonizer ship to rescue Stephen, and Lapis and Peridot never show up at all?

I don't like SU but I see art of these 2 and I think they look cute together

Can someone point me out to the episodes were they "engage"?

>>92392647
everyone hated lars until the last episode
the entire fandom hated him more than any other townie
but now that he's going to homeworld they have done a 180
because god forbid they admit the plot is fucking retarded
>>92392659
I wouldn't put it past them. Also this he's either escaping back to his homeworld or they are coming to rescue him

either way I don't see how any outcome doesn't lead to homeworld following them and the diamonds just fucking glassing the planet for the death of their sister

>>92392594
that's fair

I still think more of the blame goes to Zuke, she pulled the trigger, Sugar could have stopped her and should have, but that doesn't change the fact that Zuke held the gun and fired it

>>92392645
It only had build up and development after 3 episodes in different seasons. The whole backstory was made up to satisfy the desire of shippers.

>>92392365
>what is even the point of the two best characters in the show?

Everything. Any episode is easily made ten times better simply by having them make an appearance.

I remember when the barn was just a one off location for the Space Race episode. That episode was pretty good

>>92392710
I still wish Marceline could have been Finn's crush. The two matched perfectly before they invented a character for the sole purpose of dating Finn

>>92392615
>blames Sugar for being a narcissist

nice try Zuke, I would ask if you have better things to do than shit post here but I don't think you do

>>92392710
The point is you can track their relationship progression, and understand why they became close again. We don't get to see any of that process for Lapis and Peridot, so there is no reason to be invested in it.

>>92392703
>but now that he's going to homeworld they have done a 180
What? How can that be? Lars hasn't grown or developed at all. He's still a selfish, annoyingly-voiced teenager.

>>92392365
Why the hell is Perdot wearing a bowtie?

>>92392759
>We don't get to see any of that process for Lapis and Peridot
We got several episodes of them being friends. Isn't it normal in Western media and real life for friends to decide to fool around and start dating on a whim?

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>>92392662
Please respond to this post.

>>92392760
because the fans get off on redemption arcs
>>92392757
what the fuck does Sugar do for the show if not for the writing? She doesn't animate, she doesn't do the background art
>>92392774
because Sugar wanted to set the new record for how much you could flanderize a character

>>92392774
MEME DORITO

>>92392798
Why would Lapis and Peridot date?

>>92392615
You posted this in /sug/ last week and it didn't work there either. Lapis was an OC of Sugar's from before the show was even picked up and Peridot is her Invader Zim OC donut steel

Try again

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>>92392817
Just stream the entire series if you don't want to DL everything.

>>92392798
>We got several episodes of them being friends.
There's Barn Mates, and the next time we see them in Beta they're super close.

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>>92392834
you got some proof for that or are you going to pull shit out of your ass? Also:

>he posts in /sug/

>>92392833
Because they're both lonely women living in isolation with a baby "pet" to take care of who get off on gay Canadian daytime teenaged soap operas?

>>92392825
But its OOC for homeworld gems to care abput fashion.

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>>92392859
But I don't want to see the entire series and either way I would've streamed it because that's what I always do.

I just would like to know some episode names where they appear together.

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>>92392734
Yeah I sure love seeing an annoying talking gremlin and a bitchy fallen water angel with no chemistry.

>>92392876
So why would they date?

I really want Aquamarine to reveal herself to be a fusion of a Peridot and a Lapis and then Peridot tries to rape Lapis but Lapis is like "Nah bitch you can't handle me" and then Peridot turns villain again.

>>92392903
because for some reason people think fooling around with a friend and dating is a natural step in friendship
>>92392798
>Isn't it normal in Western media and real life for friends to decide to fool around and start dating on a whim?
Usually only college kids who are jacked up on hormones and know they won't see their friends post graduation anyway

>>92392876
by that logic me and my roommate should start dating

we are both lonely single men who love dumb cartoons

except oh wait that isn't how it works, I feel sorry for anyone who lives with someone like you apparently living together = dating in your mind

>>92392946
Peri is too autistic to fall in love though she cant even understand friendship.

>>92392965
>we are both lonely single men who love dumb cartoons
Anon...

>>92392901
Did you even read what you just wrote? That sounds awesome.

>>92392894
Their relationship is handled very poorly in the show. Just enjoy the fan art like I do. If you really want to watch, check out Barn Mates and the first half of Beta.

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>>92393066
>2 episodes

Is this really what SUfags have been shitposting over for months?

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>>92393041
The thing is Anon.. Lapis is fucking boring and Peridot is ANNOYING.

>>92392833
because in anime characters who dont like each other get together so it has to be in su too

>>92393041
Lapis is not an angel. Sugar thought wings looked cool(they look stupid on humans) so rather than have Lapis levitate she makes her fly. Aqua is the only design that looks good with wings.

>>92393086
There's also The New Crystal Gems and Room for Ruby.

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>>92393115
Added to the backlog, thanks anon.

>>92393096
Gems dont date eachother only mentally ill sick fucks like Ruby and Sapphire do that crap.

>>92392365
>Never allowed to be around during major parts of the show such as the zoo infiltration and this current arc
>When Peridot has the most up-to-date Homeworld info and can competently pilot the (now gone) ship with ease
>When Lapis is probably the strongest gem on the team
I understand that allowing all gems to have screen time in an 11 minute episode may be a bit of a clusterfuck at times, and that the original CGs should take priority over the barn memers, but I'm still annoyed about what they're doing to them.

>>92393087
Only because of poor execution. If they actually get some time to shine instead of always being shoved in a barn they'd be amazing. The characters themselves aren't really the problem.

>>92392965
You're not taking care of a baby together though, unlike Peridot and Lapis.

>>92393158
Too bad that's never gonna happen.

>>92392365
>no more ptsd loner bitch, but nice to Steven, Lapis
I'm fine wither Peridot and the concept of shipping Lapis, but they ruined Lapis to get there.

>>92392760
>He's still a selfish, annoyingly-voiced teenager.
At least he's not a lying rapist like Sadie.

Also fuck Onion, he is the most annoying shit on this show besides steven.

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>>92393263
wait sadie is a rapist wtf i need a quick rundown

>>92393087
It's funny how obviously better Sugar is than the usual storyboarders.

>>92393158
>they'd be amazing.
Lapis is a massive fucking cunt who had one moment of character growth and then immediately reversed the moment she interacted with anyone besides steven.

Periodot is just tumblr bait. She's small, useless, and constantly complaining she can definitely be a gem too.

>>92393146
What about Topaz?

>>92393286
that time she trapped Steven and Lars on an island with her so she could get in Lars' pants

>>92393286
Kept Lars and Steven on an island where they had to hunt for fish to live for a week while knowing where the exit was just so she could stockholm Lars into fucking her.

>>92393286
>wait sadie is a rapist wtf
On the episode where Lars, Steven, and Sadie are on the island, Sadie lies to Steven and Lars because she desperately wanted that Lars dick. She tricks them into thinking they're trapped on an island forever and uses that to pork Lars(show only shows kissing/makeouts because ew heterosexuals).

And then it's never, ever brought up again and Lars is treated like shit whenever he's cold to Sadie.

>>92393319
They are just friends not lovers you degenerate.

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>>92393263
All the the townies are fucking terrible except Peedee and Greg.

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>>92393335
ooooohh yeahhhhhhh i forgot about that

>>92393319
They're not dating. Fusion is used for military purposes only, and only between similar gems. Rubies do it too.

>>92393310
Lapis is the only good gem

>>92393351
Sadie and Lars should be friends not lovers just friends it awkward seeing this shit.

The island adventure should have been Sadie trying to make Lars have a good time.

>>92393115
Gem Harvest, too

>>92393364
I actually like Sour Cream and the two 'cool kids', they're just boring.

Greg is probably the only character whose got his god damn shit together.

>>92393367
So did the writers, since Lars never gets salty about it besides in that episode, and then the writers have been shoehorning them as a couple(latest episode even had him half-admitting he loved his rapist.

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>>92392487

>Peridot was there for the plot before her character was assassinated

people who talk about Peridot's character arc as assassination or degeneration completely mystify me when the whole point of stranding her on earth in the first place was to demonstrate how HW's colonial logic only functions when each individual gem is fixed within its system: take one out, and they quickly realize the thing they were told is valueless without colonization is actually valuable, and they lose their authoritarian disposition. Peridot's character arc not only makes sense for her as an individual gem dispossessed from HW society, but is thematically essential to the entire show. People who thought it was a degeneration of her character should probably therefore drop the show because they're obviously not here for its thematic goals.

>>92393351
Men can't be raped ,':^)

>>92393378
She went from a non sadistic sociopath to an annoying childish piece of shit.

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>>92393391
The truest shit.

>>92393378
>imperialism is bad but without it people turn into useless neets but that's good

nah

>>92393391
>only good gem
That's why she spent thousands of years as a fucking mirror.

>>92393286

She wanted to twist Lars into her little boyfriend by forcing/tricking him (and Steven) to live on an island for days and manipulating him.

>>92393465
>She went from a non sadistic sociopath to an annoying childish piece of shit.

if you want to watch shows about "sociopaths" you should probably watch some 2edgy4u garbage shonen, because no one in SU is that one dimensional.

>>92393391
Sugar made her too OP(on earth) so she cant use her since all fights would ve resolved quickly.

>>92393442
Most people aren't mad at her redemption, they're mad at what happened afterwards. She became a one-note meme character, and a childish retard.

Lapis has been around for an entire season and I don't think she's so much as spoken to any of the "main" gems outside of the group discussion in Gem Harvest.

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>>92393479
>genocide is good, actually

ok bud. maybe this explains why people are mad about peridot actually.

>>92393501
A non sadistic sociopath is a being that doesnt care about your feelings but doesnt try to make you suffer for pleasure. Most animals are non sadistic sociopaths.

>>92393466
>>92393391
Fuckable doesn't mean a good character.

>>92393442
This. Peridot has served her function as a character, which is to show that the Crystal Gems aren't unique in being able to decide to tell HW to fuck off. She's no longer important because of that but it's okay.

The Cluster is the most flaccid reveal and arc though.

>>92393507
But they don't really fight anyone these days, other than the occasional homeworld gem (which she's either usually around for or wouldn't be much help with).

>>92393526
you're an idiot if you think that is what I was saying

>>92393512
>She became a one-note meme character, and a childish retard.

Except she's actually not, and neither is Lapis. All of Peridot's interactions with other characters post-redemption have been ways of showing how she is integrating with life on Earth while maintaining her own identity. This is important because it demonstrates that the two value-systems of the two societies - Earth and Homeworld - aren't essentially unbridgeable.

>>92392873
>makes op post without doing fucking research
>someone told them facts
>asks for research so don't have to do it

Activates my almonds. Not same anon but here you go

https://youtu.be/GLm342T6QS8

16:00 is when relevant question asked. 16:55 is Lapis

>>92393547
>fuckable doesn't mean a good character.
>implying
Her initial introduction was great. Her new 'habituated character' is also great. I get a lot of people prefer contemplative sorrow but jaded removed bitterness is good for me too.
Not my fault you were born with shit taste

>>92393574
what the fuck were you even saying? That peridot is a neet, and that's bad, but I was saying neets are good? What does any of that have to do with imperialism?

>>92393507
All she has to do is have Lapis concentrate her ocean powers into an actual weapon, and say that now she can't control as much water as she used to but can be better in battle.

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>>92393547
Look I'm not going to say you're wrong but, you're fucking wrong.

>>92393575
Its because Peri is a retard. Lapis makes no attempts at trying to blend with hunans showing only the mentally ill would consider that.

>>92393603
>colonialism
Don't talk with anyone who thinks imperialism is a real thing. Thank me later.
Colonies are objectively and morally good.

>>92393603
what's bad isn't Peridot's rejection of her old life

its the new life she has taken on, the problem isn't that Peridot changed, its what she changed into that is a problem, a useless childish silly person who never does anything.

>>92393627
>Its because Peri is a retard.

ok.

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>>92393645
>Colonies are objectively and morally good.

the world would be better if you were dead.

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>>92393662
Look at this face and say that.

>>92393660
>a useless childish silly person who never does anything.

she's enjoying her freedom. What exactly do you want her to do?

>>92393700
Shes a laughing stock for her gem type.

>>92393700
You don't believe some people genuinely don't like her?

It probably didn't help that the entirety of tumblr super overhyped her for a span period of time

>>92393723
this post is what bitching about peridot really comes down to: bootlickers who wish she was crushing rebels again.

>>92393719
Act like her old self
>muh character development
Fuck off

>>92393442
All of this, plus she was kind of a spaz from the start.
>Warp Tour
>freaks, warps out and nukes the site over finding a fucking sticker

>>92393745
She is better as a villain anyway than a Crystal faggot.

>>92393745
see
>>92393749


you know the criticism is good when character development is a bad thing.

>>92393772
Shes a fucking alien anon a pancake looks bixarre to her.

>>92393406
>it awkward seeing this shit.

Horrendously awkward.

>>92393692
The world is better because people like me were alive, but thanks anyway.
Can you name one objectively bad outcome from colonisation? None at all? Didn't think so.
The worst you could possibly say is that in some cases the colonies eventually left leaving retards with fancy toys but none of the know-how so they imploded but that's the 100% worst you could say.
>inb4 muh treatment
Who cares, people are treated poorly in literally every form of governance or system of economy. People are treated even worse than that without those things too. It's a moot point especially when quality of life rose dramatically.
Face it, there's literally no argument you could make against colonialism that is valid and not entirely based on emotional appeal (which as shown above can be generalised criticism to all systems and thus invalid)

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>>92393700
Okay. Peridot is a fucking retard.

>>92393719
anything to try and make the Earth a better place or maybe improve things for the Crystal Gems

or maybe something to help them against Homeworld since Peridot was convinced she was wanted for calling Yellow Diamond a clod, love how she just stopped caring about something that could easily be a threat to her life and freedom, especially when she more than anyone on Earth understands just what Homeworld is capable of

she doesn't need to be all business but basically getting rid of her entire serious side was just awful

>>92392615
Fuck. I typo'd*
>makes *shitpost without doing fucking research
>someone told them facts
>asks for research so don't have to do it

Activates my almonds. Not same anon but here you go

https://youtu.be/GLm342T6QS8 [Open]

16:00 is when relevant question asked. 16:55 is Lapis

Lapis is Rebecca's character since at least the pilot

>>92392774
ZOWEE le quirky space Lezbyan amirite? look at my dumb gay bow tie, am i tumblr yet?

>>92393815
>inb4 muh treatment
>Who cares

yeah, we've established that you're an ethno-nationalist/white supremacist with your first posts. That's how people who think "colonialism was good, actually" work. That's how colonialism generally tends to work.

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>>92393824
LIKE YOU MEAN IT FUCK FACE!

>>92393575
>All of Peridot's interactions with other characters post-redemption have been ways of showing how she is integrating with life on Earth while maintaining her own identity.
That's fine, but that's no excuse to abandon other aspects of her personality. She used to be intelligent, prideful, and stubborn, but we rarely get to see those sides of her now. The last time she felt like she had genuine depth as a character was Gem Drill.


>This is important because it demonstrates that the two value-systems of the two societies - Earth and Homeworld - aren't essentially unbridgeable.
Woah, woah, hold up. The values of Homeworld are definitely not compatible with Earth's. I think what you mean to say is that the gems from Homeworld are just a byproduct of their society, and are not inherently bad/ beyond redemption.

>>92393873
Its amazing that she is probably smarter than Tesla yet acts like a child.

>>92393815
go back to /pol/ you can't be helped

its like trying to explain sight to a blind person, you confuse your lack of understanding with a lack of an explanation so I'm not even gonna bother

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>>92393645
>Colonies are objectively and morally good

>>92393745
>bootlickers
Am I talking to an anarchist here? She's just as subservient to the gems as she was to HW.
Were she to disobey or alienate herself from them she'd get reamed. The only difference now is that unlike HW who saw her as an asset the Gems don't need or care about her. So they leave her without purpose or responsibility and she turns into a gibbering wreck desperately trying to find purpose in the void.

She's licking boots either way. It's just in one case she's actually being a productive member of her society, whereas the other doesn't need her at all.

>>92393899

I think we fundamentally differ on our ideas of what constitutes "character depth", so I won't bother arguing about whether Peridot post-redemption is as "deep" as pre-redemption peri.

>Woah, woah, hold up. The values of Homeworld are definitely not compatible with Earth's. I think what you mean to say is that the gems from Homeworld are just a byproduct of their society, and are not inherently bad/ beyond redemption.


What I meant by that is that people who hold values of either societies can understand one another: the value systems do not preclude mutual comprehensibility. But yeah, the important part with Peridot's arc is that illustrated the veiling effect gem society has on colonizing gems.

>>92393225
>>no more ptsd loner bitch, but nice to Steven, Lapis
That's pretty much still her, except now she's also nice to Peridot.

>>92393926
Exactly diamonds ensured their servants would stay commited to their roles since they go insane without it.

>>92393909
Muh morals isnt an argument against colonialism.

>>92393966
so yeah you were right to call me on the wording of that to a certain extent, but like I've already said, the reason I think peridot post-redemption remains an interesting character is that the show emphasizes the vitality of her homeworld-grown personality in navigating Earth ideas and values.

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>>92393873
Peridot is a fucking retard. She's utter trash. A useless midget who is the reason people still fucking watch SU. Her and Lapis could be shattered or erased from the show and people would drink in celebration if it happened.

>>92394036
Kill her off, these last episodes with the main cast made me forget how nice this show is without Peridirt.

>>92393966
>What I meant by that is that people who hold values of either societies can understand one another
Peridot essentially abandons her Homeworld values when she joins the Crystal Gems though. It's pretty black and white really, we aren't supposed to view Homeworld values in a sympathetic light.

>>92394027
there's no "argument" to be had with people who think colonialism was good and that morals are irrelevant - this is why you punch nazis instead of "have a dialogue" with them.

>>92393864
>doesn't address the rest of the post outlining that systems all have 'chaff' that gets the shit end of the stick
No I suppose it was only colonialism then, and I suppose objective benefits to all members of that society, regardless of their status is just negligible too
>>92393909
>y-you're just wrong
Who is the blind person in this scenario? Genuine quantifiable good occurred and you can't debase that. Or, perhaps you can debase it but if you would debase an process for one element of it you would also have to have disdain for modern society and all the endless atrocities it enacted on the common classes across feudalism and industrialisation to get to this point.
Basically, you're retarded and have blinkers on. I'd rather be blind and know that I cannot see than have blinkers on, being assured I am seeing something but in reality being confused by your limited understanding.

>>92394027
Colonialism is being a nigger at a nation scale

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>>92394057
NOW TELL ME SHE'S NOTHING BUT A USELESS MEMEPOSTING SHITPOSTER YOU FUCKING SLUT!

>>92394063
>Peridot essentially abandons her Homeworld values

I don't think that's true: all of the jokes which people cite to reduce her to being a "meme" center around the juxtaposition between her understanding of reality as it was cultivated on homeworld (namely, where everything is designed with a specific, singular purpose ('what's the point of corn?') and life on earth.

>>92394064
Colonialism has nothing to do with Nazi Germany. Violence is bad is basically your reason against colonialism yet when you can do it its justified hypocrite.

>>92393995
How fucked in the head do you have to be to reach this conclusion. All life seeks purpose and all members of a group seek to contribute to it lest they feel their membership waning.

>>92392365
can someone plz explain to me all shit that went down with these two between zuke and sugar

>>92394100
What.

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>>92394092
can you fuck off back to /pol/, why are you even watching an explicitly anti-colonial show haha

>>92394145
>posting one of the biggest human racist in animation to make a point against racism

>>92394107
>Colonialism has nothing to do with Nazi Germany

It sure as shit had something to do with white supremacist ideology! Can you please fuck off, the people who are going to agree with you ITT already do, and the people who don't never will.

>>92394103

God I hope Peridot gets shattered.
That's all she's good for now since nothing about her is good anymore.

>>92394064
He's not me and I never said morals were irrelevant, simply that emotional appeals were. Morally speaking all societies differ be they communal, colonial or national. Morality is a play by play yard stick and, unless you nonsensically find colonialism to be inherently immoral, you'd find that all of the above have varying degrees of moral adhesion.
To deny something because people had it bad shows little insight or thinking on your part. All systems fuck people and colonialism did more good then many other important and foundation processes and systems.

>>92394197
why are you even talking about this, leave. And if you have any affection for your loved ones, kill yourself on your way out.

>>92394176
Nazis didnt give a crap about white people only Germans. Nazis were gonna repopulate Europe with their Aryan race who would replace white people on earth. I dont blame them the fact Germans are the only Euros who conquered the continent while it had industrial technology cements that they are the most superior europeans on the continent.

>>92394106
>the juxtaposition between her understanding of reality as it was cultivated on homeworld
That was done really well during her redemption arc, but now it's fucking annoying. It was compelling to watch her be unaware and ignorant of her surroundings in the beginning, because it was coupled with the fact that she was new to Earth and its workings. Watching her struggle to understand her surroundings was both funny and engaging because it showed character progression. But her character has basically stagnated since Log Date 7152; she just hangs around the barn with Lapis all day.

>>92393978
If that's true, I'll be relieved.
But there is still that period when the two were first in the barn where she was absolutely inert... appropriately enough, as if she were hopped up on meds to numb the trauma. Though, i sincerely doubt that was intended.

I sympathized with bitchy Lapis.

>>92394092
>morals don't matter
>colonialism had good outcomes
If there is no morality and it doesn't matter just how is good being defined?

Are more people living longer lives with better technology good? based on what? If you actually think there is no morality than colonialism, imperialism, all of it is the same and doesn't matter at all. Whether we live in this world or if all humans instantly died wouldn't matter at all

your argument is meaningless because its logical conclusion is that everything is meaningless

>>92394145
But the colonialism proposed in this show is rather different and as such its themes aren't congruent.
Further, I am not so autistic as to be unable to entertain thoughts I disagree with.
It's not my fault you default to empire=bad rebels=good. You just watched a shit load of poorly made cartoons and had it stuck in your head. There's nuance to everyone conflict; and mate, cartoons aren't real so why would I care about the ideology of its cast?

>>92394222
Colonialism is good from a Euro point of view but bad from other points of views.

Objectively its good since it lead to lots of infrastructure in underdeveloped lands thus its good end of story.

>>92394231
>she just hangs around the barn with Lapis all day.

sure, I can get complaints about the barnies not being involved in the main plot more, I guess, but that's not really a fault with either of the characters: hanging around in a barn making art and growing things seems like a pretty reasonable thing to do when you've just defected from an oppressively mechanistic society and are exploring your new surroundings freely for the first time.

>>92392538
I thought Rebecca Sugar started Bubbline.

>>92394303
no she started Simone and Marcy stuff

and Flame Princess

>>92394224
>Nazis didnt give a crap about white people only Germans.

Right, this is why German jews did so well in WW2.

>>92394318
Ethnic Germans dummy.

>>92394318
I mean they did better than say Polish Jews

but also the Germans argued that German Jews were Jewish and not German at all

>>92394262
Never once said morals don't matter. There are two people posting, try to keep up.
I said:
>>92393645

And yes, you can objectify positive outcomes without using moral measures. Life expectancy, disease, living conditions, education, general happiness and so on.
So while morals and objective measures can be applied colonialism is right on both sides.

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>>92394103
She's pointless meme and ship fuel and the fact Zuke made a twitter around her once proves that Peridot adds as much to the story as her barn mate who is on her period 24/7. It's pathetic that she's been reduced to nothing but a bratty little green midget with no elbows.

Thanks Zuke, thanks a lot for wasting the opportunity to give these little cunts proper character to try and make your shitty fanfiction canon. I guess Sugar can be sour sometimes.

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thank you /co/ for letting me know that there are people who follow su that unironically believe "colonialism is good, actually". I have received your message, and fully acknowledged it. We can definitely move on now.

>>92394297
I don't even necessarily have a problem with it, if Peridot wasn't such a joke. She's somehow less mature than she was at the end of her redemption arc, and I want to see her growth continue. By now, she should be very knwoledgeable about the Earth.

>>92393286
Quick rundown:

>rothschilds bow to the Bogdanoffs,

>in contact with aliens,

>rumoured to possess psychic abilities,

>control france with an iron fist,

>own castles and banks all over the world,

>direct descendants of the ancient royal blood line,

>will bankroll the first cities on Mars (Bogdangrad will be be the first city),

>own basically every DNA editing research facility on Earth,

>first designer babies will be Bogdanoff Babies,

>both brothers said to have 200+ IQ

>>92394131
>establish authority over technologically inferior people trough force of arms
>empty lands of whatever goods there are
>leave after you're done plundering
>local population is left impoverished and in disarray, but since they're left with the remains of the infrastructure you set up to better funnel their resources you can rest easy knowing you helped "develop them"
>The governing boby was either you, or a local faction functional to your interests, so your sudden withdrawal also leaves the country in political turmoil

>>92394331
as much as I'd love to talk with you about the minutiae of nazi germany race philosophy, I could actually not give less of a shit. feel free to go to the board dedicated to producing massive threads elaborating on it to get your fix though!

>>92394344
But you see anon, this wasn't intended to notify you, you should always have suspected, this was to engage you.
You've not levied a single point against it. You've bitched, moaned and baselessly insulted but never once addressed the question at hand.
I brought up mistreatment first and explained the role it played in colonialism and contextualised it with its existence in other systems but you still say nothing. It's almost like you've nothing else to say.

>>92394363
>She's somehow less mature than she was at the end of her redemption arc

she's more energetic now because she's not in the ambiguous space, navigating her loyalties, that she was in during her redemption arc. I don't think that really translates to immaturity, except in the respect that her familiarity with Earth things is immature.

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>>92394342
That's the good shit.

>>92394374
>Forgetting that the fist is iron-but-fair
>Forgetting about the Bogdabots entirely
shit rundown

>>92394411
>You've not levied a single point against it.

I literally told you I wouldn't a dozen posts ago. Fuck off and lynch yourself.


>>92394064

>>92393378
Underrated post.

>>92394432
Peridot reminds me of my nephews thats how childish she acts.

I have a question. Was there a joke or a pun behind "meep morps" that I'm not getting? Or were they trying to force a meme just because?

>>92394432

>I don't think that really translates to immaturity, except in the respect that her familiarity with Earth things is immature.

this comes through really clearly in her confrontation with Jasper during smoky vs jasper, where she delivers that little monologue.

>>92394340
>objective measures
I think you mean arbitrary

would also love to hear how you source a measure of "general happiness" from like 200 years ago and compare it to what is was before colonialism but then compare it to what it would have been had colonialism not happened

also you work entirely on the belief that native governments wouldn't have modernized on their own. Which its kinda impossible to prove one way or another, you can't objectively claim things were better in India in the 1800s than they would have been without the British because that isn't how history works, we don't know what things would have been like had they happened different we can only speculate

your making a basic fallacy people make with history all the time, you assume that what happened was right and good and therefore better than the alternatives even though there is no basis for that belief since you don't know, can't know what the alternatives were

>>92392615
God I miss tall Peridot. Not the fucking Gremlin she's been forced into.

>>92394455
>told you I wouldn't
You sure did. Why didn't you want to though, I wonder? Also why are you even engaging in these posts if you feel you have nothing to add to the matter? Are you just venting anger? Are you looking for vindication or attention?
Legitimately, why are you still posting if you actively admit to not knowing or wanting to respond?

>>92394505
Look at all the countries made by colonialism though, those people live better lives than their ancestors did at the start of colonialism so its good.

>>92394524
>Also why are you even engaging in these posts if you feel you have nothing to add to the matter?

I'm just waiting to see how long you'll try to keep this up. I'm also actually really not surprised that people like you watch this show, it explains a lot of the things I actually went into this thread meaning to address.

>>92394469
Worrying about white poor people gets you labeled a communist

>>92393692
>>92393922
I guess it would have been better if people never left their holes and died there.
Just to satisfy your misguided sense of morality.

>>92394561
But you are singling out a race making you a racist.

>>92394432
I don't mind energetic, what I don't like is her being a complete moron and acting like a child. Watch this clip from Gem Drill to get a comparison.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oq4WXTa0szA

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>>92394507
Short Peri is a curse.

>>92393909
I don't think this is /pol/. It's not really coloniasm since humans are already in there. They rather have a view that Peridot and the gems should be adapting to the culture because their religion of destroying planets for gem manufacturing and making of warriors is a dangerous religion and is not compatible to human civilization

>>92394545
the entire world's standard of living has improved since then, even in uncolonized places like Ethiopia and Thailand or in Europeans nations that didn't really take part in colonialism

or do you think life in Switzerland still sucks or something?

the rise in living standards has to do with the industrial revolution

>>92394505
>Which its kinda impossible to prove one way or another
Well certainly ANY speculation is impossible to prove. The thing is though, modernisation sucks no matter where it's coming from. It's fraught with mistreatment. Just look at industrialisation. Look at sweatshops. Whether it's an internal push to meet external expectations or an external force moving on an internal community things are shit.
The bonus of colonialism is that there's a saftey net of resources to fall back on if legitimate failure is imminent and potentially a set of protocols and checks that have been preestablished by the colonies post-industry society.
Rather than spending hundreds of years in a state of shit the whole thing can be sped up.
Some colonies were nicer than others but so are some nations. Things like that aren't inherent to the system itself but were incidental to who was doing the colonising. Just look at new zealand versus australia for changes a native community makes.

>>92394577
Not really. America and Asia also got fucked

>>92394597
I'm not sure what point you're trying to make with the comparison: the context necessitates a certain kind of behaviour from both of them, and as the context is extraordinary, so is the kind of behaviour. Steven doesn't act like that when he's getting something from the fridge.

Like I already said, I understand if people are mad about the fact that there's a lack of high-stakes drama in the show in which the barnies are involved lately: translating that as a criticism of Peridot or Lapis' characters seems misguided.

>>92394374
>direct descendants of the ancient royal blood line
>translation: absurdly inbred

And it shows. Well that or they're obsessively getting bad plastic surgery to look "younger".

>control France with an iron fist

Ah, those /pol/fugee memes.

>>92394505
>>92394632
and further look to how Spanish, Portuguese and English colonies differed in terms of treatment over the length of their colonial activity to see how the external society changed how the process would go.

As I said to a different anon, there is a lot of nuance.


Also as an aside, there was no way in fuck the aboriginals would have modernised if left untouched. You can say we could never know, and you're right, but if you know anything about it you'd have to admit the idea that they would is EXTREMELY unlikely.

This is getting offtopic. We should stick to /co/ stuff.

Stop biting the tumblr bait

>>92394688
Colonislism is logically good not morally good ok babbies.

Good.

>>92394698
well, colonialism shouldn't be off-topic in a discussion about a show about anti-colonial rebels, but I guess when "whether or not colonialism was good" is an open question this is what you get.

>>92394646
Peridot is complete shot now anon.

>>92394556
>it explains a lot of the things
That we're less autistic and won't let beliefs impede our enjoyment of children's cartoons? That we're happy to engage in media and with people who have differing opinions to us?
Thanks, I guess.
By comparison your 'you're wrong and nothing you say matters' attitude didn't explain anything about you I didn't already suspect.

>>92394610
I intend to live on, so that our blood-drenched history wasn't in vain.
I don't feel guilty about the events that took place to build our reality, to claim that every civilization in history is without sin is to be absurdly deluded.

>>92393507
Couldn't she use some kind of magic to carry around a good supply with her at all times, like a waterbender?

>>92394722
> logically good

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Is–ought_problem

how do you even breathe.

>>92394646
I understand that context is important, but the difference between this Peridot, and the one we see now is enormous. For her to go from having this serious and intelligent demeanour to acting like a literal 5 year old, is not consistent in my opinion, or at the very least poor development of her character.

>>92394722
stabbing you and taking your wallet is logically good for the nigger who now has your money

>>92394741
It's like discussing Christopher Columbus on Dora the Explorer thread or some shit

>>92394763
I mean its beneficial to white people its alright using a non emotional moral compass.

So blacks abos and whatever suffered oh well should have been more advanced than us maybe would have gotten conquered

>>92394755
>That we're less autistic and won't let beliefs impede our enjoyment of children's cartoons?

haha, no, that you're have an incredible capacity for cognitive dissonance.

Let me be as extremely clear as possible:
It's not that I think you're "wrong", or that I think "nothing you say matters": as my very first response to you outlined, it's that I think the world would be an objectively better place if you were dead.

>>92394722
there is no such thing as logically good

good is by definition a subjective moral term

if your trying to say that it was logical for europeans to colonize places, of course it was, stealing billions of dollars worth in goods is a brilliant idea to boost your own economy

>>92394774
Anon the very basis of a it benefits me moral compass is hypocracy.

>>92394774
>>92394763
There is no such thing as good logic

The terms I started this discussion with were objective (as opposed to relative; as opposed to qualitative) and moral.

Logic is another thing entirely. It's a tool to get what you want. I want to turn on my light. The logic is in how I choose to do so based on my goals. If turning on my light is my only goal then anything that achieves this outcome is of sound logic. If another goal is introduced, say, to check back at my (you)s as quickly as possible then the logical course of action would be to move to the switch as quickly as possible and return as opposed to wandering of to talk with people or get a drink.
Logic is a tool not a measurement.

>>92394803
>cognitive dissonance
You shouldn't misuse terms that you aren't entirely familiar with. It undermines your statement.

>>92394816
We stole nothing, is picking up rocks around tigers stealing from them?

>>92394774
Stealing money for crack is equal to expanding an empire? The basis for colonization is probably a bit more complex than the wrongdoings of a drug addict.

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>>92394881
yeah I bet, I guess it's not very "logically good".

>>92394886

Hey man, don't be a dick. Those tigers worked hard for those rocks.

>>92394816
>stealing
Haha wow. Are the bourgeois stealing our labour too, mate?

>>92394912
Tigers dont even know what rocks are.

>>92394881
you sound like you're underage. How old are you, young white boy?

>>92394911
Except I never said that, now did I? In fact see:
>>92394864

>>92394886
no but forcing people to grow spices and other cash crops and then taking those is

also you didn't pick up the rocks yourself, you forced someone else to do it

Like if you wanna use a shitty metaphor to try and justify colonialism I'm sure you can come up with a better one because that is a bad metaphor by like every possible measure

>>92392365
Lapis is OP broken character.
So you know how they nerf her?
THEY DONT EVER SHOW HER EVER. LIKE JUST FORGET THAT SHE CAN LITERALLY CONTROL AN ENTIRE OCEAN AND JUST USE HER AS A PLANE.

>>92394947
yeah I see.
>>92394722

Why don't you tell me more about what you think "logic" is? I'd love to hear your theories, maybe if I came to understand "logic" I'd also come to understand why colonialism is good.

>>92394917
stealing? no but they are ripping you off, this is an inherent problem of the capitalist system.

Your boss with only pay you less than what your labor is actually worth, you will never be given a wage equal to what you are worth

>>92394942
Why do I sound under-aged to you exactly, passive-aggressive and racially charged anon?
You misused the term, got called out like a fucking idiot and now we're playing the 'tell me about you, white boy' game? You don't seem underaged but you sure are fucking desperate.

>>92394990
please don't actually engage with these people, you'll just make both parties look dumber.

>>92394928

Yeah they do. I work at a quarry, and we have three tigers on staff. It used to be four, but one got poached.

>>92394952
Thats just negotiation anon.

>>92394982
That post isn't mine. In fact it's in response to one of my posts. You legit have nothing on me and I've already both explained logic and directed you towards that explanation. Read up, m8.

>>92394942
He may be an underage white boy, but at least he's not a cunt.

>>92395009
I actually didn't - you call it "misuse" because you try to lend your moral idiosyncrasies an air of scientific objectivity, likely because you can't bear to recognize them as your own opinions. It's why you used a term like "logically good", incidentally.

>>92392472
Don't know much about behind the scenes of SU but who the hell is Zeke and why do people hate her

>>92394990
I actually agree but I was commie baiting you there.
Trick is it's hard to find a solution to that labour issue that isn't morality or community based. It's a common good problem and we all know how that thought experiment ends.

>>92395056
She single-handedly destroyed the series' credibility with her unprofessional writing style.

>>92395052
Have you studied psychol or pschi? If so to what degree?
If not then I think I can soundly say your opinion on the use of the term means next to nothing to me.

>>92395092
for people with shit taste like you and good chunk of /co/ maybe.

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>>92392365
Shitty cancer that literally ruin every episode they're in

>>92395052
Oh, and I never used the term logically good ever. There are two posters. It's REALLY not that hard, mate.

>>92395112
>If not then I think I can soundly say your opinion on the use of the term means next to nothing to me.

Cool, I'm glad you've continued this series of "posting things I don't give a shit about at me".

>>92395092
Can you give an example of what she did?

>>92395141
sure bud, I don't give enough of a shit to treat the "pro-colonialism" su posters as distinct individuals.

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>>92394990
At least they are actually getting paid, unlike communism.

>>92395178
We have been over this colonialism is beneficial to euros so its alright.

>>92395128
Lapis befriending Peridot pisses me off.

>>92395213
It's flawless logic - that's why I won't engage with it.

>>92395144
So you haven't studied either field and you're trying to lecture others. Let's bookend this little exchange with an affirmation. You have misused the term. When you misused it you were immediately called out for not knowing about either field or the concept in general. In response you started calling people white boy.

Feeling pretty good about where I sit in that shit show actually.

>>92395178
>I'm a fucking retard but it's okay because I also think people who disagree with me aren't humanised entities
And here I thought this whole thing started because everyone deserves to be treated well. With hot depersonalising opinions like those I'm sure you'll be the next person colonising things when you get the chance.

>>92393692
Edgy

>>92395240
my dude if what you learned in psychology was the definition of cognitive dissonance I am not surprised you are currently on a 4chan board dedicated to children's cartoons trying to convince anons that colonialism is actually good.

>And here I thought this whole thing started because everyone deserves to be treated well

how many fucking times do I have to reiterate this to you

>>92393692

>>92395159
A very vocal contingent of /sug/-posters think she ruined Lapis and Peridot by writing them for the sake of ship teasing instead of developing their characters in a way that tells a compelling story that contributes to the overarching plot of the series.
Add that to the fact /co/ looks poorly upon homely women with fragile emotional states who frequent tumblr and boom, you get Zuke hate.

>>92395274
>I keep insulting him and telling him to die but it just doesn't work
It must be tough for you to interact with others regularly.

>>92395274
Colonialism advanced Europe, why are you against progress?

Slavery is something humans did since African days, racial genocide is another thing humans did in their wild days, the true natives of Europe were killed off by Indo-Europeans who are the ancestors of us white people, and exploiting the lower culture was done all the time.

>>92392365
Peridot is a useless annoying comedy relief character that is only in the show for tumblr autists to relate to and Lapshit is the worst character on the show that has no reason at all the be there since she serves no purpose other than to stand around so waifufags can jizz to her boring design. They're shit and anyone who unironically likes them how they are in the show is retarded.

>>92395274
I guess maybe you thought it was an ad hominem rather than a genuine belief? I assure you it is mostly the latter, both in practice.

>>92395318
Zuke deserved it she ruined two characters.

>>92395321
>It must be tough for you to interact with others regularly.

It's actually super easy: all I have to do is quote myself while he ("they") type shit like this:

>>92395324

>>92392365
>Lapis banished to the Meme barn

I don't care about peridot, but I miss lapis.

>>92395356
>he ("they")
Good that you're starting to note that. The post you linked wasn't mine (the person you've been responding to for the last 3-4 posts). Unfortunately you've just suggested that posting on /co/ is considered interacting with others. That's pretty fucking sad. Gold star for trying. You'd have some genuine sympathy if you weren't so bull headish.

>>92395356
If you think black people wouldnt genocide you if they were the higher tech culture and we the stone age primitives then you are insane.

Genocide is just how it is, only whites whine about genocides while other races openly acknowledge like jews and the Holodomor or blow whistles like the Armenian genocide.

>>92392594

How did this thread last so long when the answer to the issue, and every other issue in the show, is so plain so early?

Ultimately this is on Sugar. I fully believe that like so many before her she had a grand master plan and it was dashed. But unlike all the ones before her, where executives stepped in to ruin it all, she had a blank check and fucked it up on her own by repeatedly refusing to reign in her subordinates.

>>92395380
Lapis deserves better than being a rapist cunt.

>>92395407
Slit your wrists champ. Take a bunch of xanax, lie down in a warm tub, and just drag a knife across your wrists. It'll be nice.

>>92395449
Hard pass, pal. Care to give me a reason to?

>>92395318
Do you have any unquestionable proof that she intended to romantically pair Lapis and Peridot together?

>>92395415


>>92395449

>>92395449
Thats not nice at all.

>>92395415
genocide being a natural tendency of humanity makes it neither right nor good

just because thats how something is doesn't mean that is how it ought to be and if your happy listening to 10,000 year old instincts and natural tenancies go fuck yourself. We can be better than nature programmed us to be

>>92395467
sure
>>92393692
but also I just think you'd' feel a lot better. Get some red wine to go with it, some nice...wagner, it'll be great. Definitely much better than dying of old age.

>>92395438
t. Zuke

>>92395502
>wagner
I'm more of a Ravel sort of guy

Lapis is wasted potential: the character.
>We still don't know why exactly she was on Earth.
>We still don't know exactly where her allegiances lie.
>We still don't know if she's telling the whole truth about her imprisonment.
>Her VA has an amazing singing voice, but not even a hint of a Lapis song yet.
Rebecca fucking better have something big planned for her.

>>92395497
What part of it benefits me its alright cant you understand?

Genociding others to advance my own is alright for me but mt kind being genocided is not alright.

>>92395536
sure bud, as long as you have a good time.

>>92395538
Kill Lapis off honestly.

>>92395551
But I'm having such a good time here with you. I wouldn't want to cut it short.

>>92395576
I think you'd find killing yourself to be a great decision, I highly recommend it.

>>92395497
Yeah, where such animals for furthering humankind's progress.
What where the natives' plans for the next 1000 years? play with mud and sticks? I can see how they were ahead of the curve.

>>92395588
Not existing doesnt benefit me at all.

>>92395470
I was trying to present the controversy as neutrally as I could, as opposed to making assertions.
Anti-Zuke folks would point you towards her now-deleted tumblr activity, and the "thinking about the beauty and tragedy of [Lapis and Peridot's] love" post.

>>92395588
>highly reccomend
Have you driven others to suicide recently. I enjoy you from across a screen but I'd imagine your family and colleagues would take scarcely any convincing when you ask them to kill themselves. They are around you pretty often after all.

>>92392365
I probably shouldn't say this because it technically violates an NDA I signed, but they will be very important is getting Steven back to earth in the upcoming episodes.

>>92395588
>I highly recommend it.
Did you kill yourself? How can you recommend something you've never experienced?

>>92395613
Hunting and Gathering probably they are kind of stupid.

>>92395645
Nobody gives a shit about any documents in this shitty anonymous board, so splurge out.

>>92395616
Stirnerfag, I'm onto you. You should listen to other people interpret Stirner, honestly. The principles of his writings are more important than his execution of them.That's the WHOLE point. Everyone would manifest their interests differently. Remember Stirner says that helping people and making friends is VERY much inline with most peoples' interests.
Don't let the term benefit, cloud the way you perceive what is otherwise some compelling work.

>>92395619
Fuck off Zuke.

>>92395626
I disagree! You'll be much better off, and so will the people in your life, if you were less of a person posting on 4chan, and more of a corpse draining out into a bathtub.

>>92395626
>Have you driven others to suicide recently
I don't think so, but I'm trying to spread the good news here. Let me just ease your worries if thoughts of loved ones are holding you back: they would live much happier, less anxiety-ridden lives if instead of having to think about you they had to spend a month or so dealing with your corpse and then moving on unfettered with their lives.

>>92395662
He constantly fantasises but doesn't have the guts. I can understand why he'd might like to live vicariously through me but I'm not super interested.

>>92395449
How does it feel that the only way you'll act like an edgy internet badass is through the veil of anonymity.

>>92395662
By saying "I recommend you kill yourself".

>>92395728
>How does it feel that the only way you'll act like an edgy internet badass is through the veil of anonymity.

I could post with a trip if you want. What exactly is your complaint here?

>>92395613
>What where the natives' plans for the next 1000 years? play with mud and sticks?
What does it matter to you?
Also there are many other ways to "further humankind's progress" than putting people to the sword.

>>92395757
Please do

>>92395724
I don't know what made you think this has anything to do with my opinions on suicide for myself - could it be a defense mechanism meant to rationalize aggressive behaviour? Who knows?

>>92395763
>he says conveniently ignoring tribal savagery
>t-they were perfectly in touch with nature like elves and everything was happy
PNG wants a word

>>92395449
Calm down edge lord

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>>92395730
bY sAyInG "i rEcCoMeNd yOu kIlL yOuRsElF"

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>>92395470
A day after she confirmed she left her "abusive" job on SU (on her lapidot infested private tumblr blog), she fucking cried about not being able to push her "healthy queer relationship" into the show and ended up later admitting (on her official blog) that she alone tried to write lapis and peridot as a romantic couple and amethyst as peridot's first time crush, you know, because she's an autist who self inserts as peridot and waifus lapis and couldn't help but to inject her fanfictions into the show
>http://laurenzuke.tumblr.com/post/156375641334/i-cant-speak-for-any-other-writers-or-artists-or

>>92395801
fuck off nerd. go post in the general.

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>>92395763
>What does it matter to you?
But that just gives us all the more reason to kill them all. It's insignificant what they wanted to do, all what matters is what we want.
>Also there are many other ways to "further humankind's progress" than putting people to the sword.
Not all natives are the peaceful kind.

>>92395834
>anime grill screencap
So this is the extend of your shitposting potential.

>>92395891
>So this is the extend of your shitposting potential.

Haha, yup, that's my "shitposting potential". Congrats champ.

When is Peridot going to be able to do ANYTHING?
Like being able to actually fight? Or being of any use, such as fusion? At least Lapis is strong on her own, Peridot actually has nothing. Why give her some Magneto like power if she can't even use it enough to make it a threat? There isn't even any guarantee that training said power could strengthen it. At least Bismuth had a purpose, the purpose of showing that the crystal gems side could in fact have a dark side. Even worse, just from speculating, its likely that Steven and Lars will end up finding a way back to Earth by themselves, and the crystal gems won't even need to lift a finger, and it will suck. Again.

>>92395949
just drop the show.

>>92395949
Reminder that both her and Lapis had a phone during the last episode and Steven could have called them at any time

Just stop watching the show. At this point Lars has more screen time and importance than Peridot does

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>>92392365
Bismuth and Jasper or Aquamarine and Topaz would be better perma side characters than those two useless fucks.

>>92396123
The show has just died ever since Jasper got bubbled.

>>92396074
>>92396112
But I want to see how it ends.

>>92396251
why? It's garbage now.

>>92396262
I'm curious. I want to see how Homeworld is dealt with, whether that is talk no jutsu, or a actual war, who knows. I just want to see how the diamonds are taken care of.

>>92396359
you already know it'll be some poorly thought out bullshit from how they've treated the show recently, but suit yourself I guess.

>>92396359
it'll be a fucking built-up but quick-ending killjoy just like the Cluster and the Space Zoo. Literally the peak of the show was the Homeworld gems first appearing, and then the subsequent rescue of Ruby and Saphire culminating in a half-decent fight.

Instead of building that style of foundation, and improving, the show did a complete 180.

test

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>>92395809
Is the a spectrum of autism that ascends so high that it becomes it's own thing, because I think she has it. Don't get the point of some of why she adds / to random words like d/pression and tri/ggered. She self inserted so hard that she felt that people were actually liking her in the show rather than the characters she was writing.

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>>92393815
Are you autistic, a 14-year-old boy, or both?

>>92395867
yo if youre not fucking around you need to do some self-reflection on how your path has taken you to the point where you talk like an x-files conspiracy villain.
attitudes like that are what led most of western scientific discourse into eugenics in the early 20th century and looking back we know that was all based on masturbatory pseudo-science.
acting on very stark conclusions like that based on the incomplete knowledge we have is how fucked up shit gets to slide

>>92396667
Don't even bother, he's clearly just a kid who's mistaken contrarianism and apathy ('lol a lot of people suffer so who cares if a system imposes suffering') for intelligence and wisdom. They're a dime a dozen. He'll probably grow out of it once he leaves high school and gets laid.

>>92396882
>lol a lot of people suffer so who cares if a system imposes suffering
Name a system that doesn't impose suffering you underaged faggot. Tell me how colonisation was worse for people than the industrialisation.
Fuck you're retarded.

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>>92397062
A system that not only imposes suffering on an extremely wide scale but explicitly promotes it is worse than a system that attempts to minimize suffering and/or imposes it on a smaller scale, you tard. Looks like your basic reasoning skills haven't quite come in yet. But that's okay; I'm sure you're the biggest badass in homeroom. :)

>>92392365
I want to make the blue one orgasm against her will as I inseminate her.

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i am forever salty that dicksquad lapis briefly existed and then was shoehorned out in favor of flat tumblr MEEPMORPS XD bullshit

lapis was best when she was a fucking irredeemable cunt with a dumb sense of humor who was only kinda nice to steven because he was the only one who ever showed her unconditional kindness

if she had to be shipped with anyone, it should have been uncle andy. i would pay money to watch them bond by traveling the world and mutually hating everything they don't understand.

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This show will never be what it was supposed to due to two factors, meddlesome storyboarders like Zuke shitting all over the show and Ian and Burnett bailing after the fandom went full retard to do something else.

>>92392615
>WHEN THEY BOTH HAVE CELLPHONES

Oh it's you again. The faggot who inserts his own fanfictions into the show. I just woke up so I don't feel like writing some huge essay now on why you're wrong but lets start with: they don't have have phones. Lapis doesn't have anything like that and Peridot has a tablet.

>>92397120
>industrialisation tried to minimise suffering
Absolute spastic

i dont think lapis and peridot have a point anymore besides for comedic purposes.

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>The gem that /pol/ likes the most is also the gem that triggers /co/ the most

Really gets the noggin joggin'

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>>92393692

Yes, self-flagellation is definitely the way to go.

>>92392365
What if it was a slice of life show called Orange Peels about two silly alien girls trying to fit into small town life? Would you like it then?

>>92398876
depends entirely on the execution. if it was cute slice-of-life from beginning to end without ever pretending to be anything else, and the girls had consistent/charming characterization, it could be good.

>>92398696
It took me 15 minutes of Googling to figure out who those flags belonged to. I think I should be happy about that actually; if I 'd gotten that joke too quickly, I'd have hung up my /co/ card and shipped off straight to /pol/.

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Wait, Peridot/Lapis is not canon, right? Why people meme about Zuke shipping it if they didn't even fuse once?

>>92398952
Zuke was fired for trying to make it canon.

>>92393351
>show only shows kissing/makeouts because ew heterosexuals

do you really expect them to show full on vaginal penetration in a kids show

>>92392365
Peridot's technomancy and Lapis hydromancy are a god tier combo and they would outshine the other gems if they were competent.

So they're staying at the barn forever

>>92392365
so are they basically cursed to be irrelevant for the rest of the show's run because Zuke tried to make them dykes?

Colonialism is bad, it led to interacting with non-white shitskins and said shitskins coming into our society. We should've just left them alone to stagnate.

>>92393815
>Human beings suffering is irrelevant because i used "muh in front of the words
That's the most 4chan thing i ever read in my life,next to "fun is a buzzword"

>>92393815
>The world is better because people like me were alive, but thanks anyway.
-Christian Weston Chandler

>>92395763
>Also there are many other ways to "further humankind's progress" than putting people to the sword.
No there isnt, you see anon knowing you could die motivates your ass to actually do something, war is the reason we even have computers.

>>92398696
Indeed it could have been great, Africa could have been such a beautiful landmass if only those natives on it were gone.

>>92399720
No we should have just killed them off like the Iberians did, Brits and Frogs were too lazy to figure out the landmass themselves so they kept them alive to find resources for them.

>>92392365
What the fuck is Zuke even up to now these days after she got fired?
I really hate how she made a mess of the series and now the staff is haphazardly trying to clean it up.

>>92392365
People complain about Bubbline ruining AT, but its got nothing on LapisXPeridot fucking up SU.

I fucking hate you Zuke.

>>92394172
To be fair, Pearl find all humans to be equally inferior

>>92398995
UPROOTED AND DESTROYED

>>92398995
Was that the real reason? i've never gotten a clear answer on why she was fired.

>>92392594
I don't think it was because Sugar hated what was in the show already. Obviously she approved that. I think it was because Zuke wanted to take it further and Sugar didn't like the idea of that. She was fine with indulging Zuke in her ship teasing because this show is all about ship teasing. Look at earlier scenes with Garnet and Pearl that got pretty damn sexual.

I think the problem came when Zuke wanted to take it out of teasing territory into canon territory. Sugar put the kibosh on it, and Zuke freaked out about her shutting down her "healthy gay ship". So she got canned.

>>92393158
No they wouldn't. Lapis has never had a consistent character and the only time she's remotely interesting is when she's angsting about something. Thus, she's always angsting about something. Peridot may have been interesting if they actually kept her mean streak but now she's just a goofy social idiot who is still somehow so nice and caring and attentive to feelings, especially Lapis's!

Zuke was a mistake.

>>92393440
>Greg is probably the only character whose got his god damn shit together.

Have you watched the show?

>>92403009
And by doing so, my hope is that Peridot and Lapis will stay, at best, friends. Not even close friends.

>>92395619
>beauty and tragedy
There was literally neither of those things and Zuke made it that way.

>>92394490
Yes. It's just lolsorandumb humor.