So...why the fuck didn't anyone in Marvel Universe try to

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Cringiest page.

>>92310921
9/11 was Mysterio's CGI.

>>92310937

All these years and I never noticed Juggs.

>>92310937
>Doom
>crying over dumb humans

Is this e most OoT page ever?

>>92310921
>DC is excluded because they are set in their own fictional world,
New York exists in the DCU

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>>92310937
>Magneto caring about non-muties dying

>>92310921
Thanks to sliding timescales, 9/11 is actually outside the normal Marvel timeline now. It happened before the current age of heroes.

I believe DC decided that it never actually happened in the DCU.

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>trusting that useless masked menace

>>92310921
Because Marvel is fucking retarded, that's why. Can't just have it not happen because that would make their universe "too different" from the real world. Nevermind that the basic premise of having superpowered mutants, aliens and gods living on Earth already makes it completely different from the real world. And nevermind that having the 9/11 attacks still happen makes all the superheroes look completely fucking incompetent since they stop much worse things on a regular basis.

>>92310937
Osama made Doom cry.

Islam > Supervillains

>>92311041
This.

Remember, things like the FF appearing and the creation of the Avengers are locked into only happening 10 years ago.

This means 2007.

Weird I know.

>>92310974
did DC actually acknowledge that 9/11 happened outside of the new 52?

i always figured they lampshaded it since they rarely have stories in new york

>>92310974
I meant that DC tries to make own thing, while Marvel shoehorns real events constantly.

>>92310937
Doom crying at 9/11 wasn't any sort of break in character or anything to me. Hell, I would even go as far to say that it was entirely IN character.

>>92311045
Spidey couldn't stop that anyway, it's above his powerlevel to catch planes at full throttle. He could've helped with evac but isn't going to negate the happening altogether.

>>92310968
>Juggernaut mourning the dead
>He himself tried to destroy the WTC before

>>92311159
That's why he is sad.
That it wasn't HIM who destroyed it.

Doom is crying over Latveria citizens that were on a plane.
Magneto is trying to figure out if jet fuel can melt steel beams.
Kingpin is just walking by, he doesn't care.

Sometimes as a fan of something you just gotta pretend it didn't happen , for your self. head cannon isn't a big deal when it has to do with erasing small stupid shit desu senpai.

>>92311117
So that SPIDER-MAN IS STRONGER THAN GALACTUS crap was a meme?

>>92311199
What about Otto

>>92311041
>It happened before the current age of heroes.
No it didn't. The ASM comic proves so.

>>92311246

same reason of magento, since his octopaws are made of steel (articulated) beams

>>92311013
This was before house of m so i'd say that there probably were a few mutants that died.

>>92311288
You realize that thanks to the sliding history that Marvel does: that issue of ASM is no longer canon?

That like saying Chapter One is canon because of the all the references the ASM comic made to it at the time.

It's obviously not and Marvel has come out and said it's not.

>>92311099
DC and Marvel's takes on the real world are different because they've always been that way, ever since the Silver Age.

In the Golden Age, National (DC, and some other companies that are now part of DC) in common with Timely (Marvel) had stories featuring real-world events, largely the rise of fascism in Europe, the lack of will at home in the US to deal with this threat to freedom, and then the war, and then the US involvement in the war. At the same time they were dealing with issues like organised crime (which was still a big theme if less of a problem than it had been in the 20s and early 30s), corruption in business, and fifth columnists working for foreign powers.

But by the Silver Age things had moved on. WW2 still sold comics - Marvel's Sergeant Fury and DC's Our Fighting Forces being examples of that - but the storytelling had matured. Stories were routinely longer and characters given more complexity. As the stories became less about kids viewing the world through a stand-in superhero and more about soft-soap stories with punching and radioactive monsters, the two companies diverged.

DC became more focused on its fictional world, an America full of cities that don't exist but are near-analogs of real places - Gotham is Newark-New York, Metropolis is fuck I don't know Kansas City or some shit, but the original choice to base the various superheroes in fictional cities has been kept, despite numerous reboots, because it would be weird to suddenly have Green Arrow running around LA or base the Flash in Dallas (and not just because we all know he's from fuckin detroit).

Marvel never made that choice. They went real-place from the start, and have always been that one step away from our world. It's a neat conceit that's often served them well; it didn't here, but only because 9/11 was just ridiculous.

>>92311117
Nobody could catch a plane at full throttle, you'd just crumple the airframe and kill everybody on board anyway.

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>>92311389
>Chapter One

Ugh, don't remind me. That was one really shitty attempt.

Ultimate did it x1000 better only a few years later.

>>92311391
>(and not just because we all know he's from fuckin detroit).

He's from Missouri

And Metropolis is in Delaware

>>92311389
So it's like a reboot.

>>92311073
I think it's 14 years. It's been 14 years for a while. with he hard 8 month jump after SW I think it would be fair to say 15, which would make Spider-Man 30.

>>92311227
The whole 90s run of War Machine seems to have been pretty much erased.

It had good moments, but a lot of it was... not good. Flying dick suit.

>>92311389
There's an issue of... Marvel Team Up? where Spider-Man teams up with the cast of Saturday Night Live. I shit you not. Bill Murray... unless he's the one who didn't let them use his likeness.

It's awful. But the worst you can say about it is it's a product of a time when SNL was huge and the crossover was worth everybody's time. You can't really fault them for putting John Belushi in a comic, because they didn't know he was gonna kill himself.

The sliding timeline would imply that, yes, the entire story is apocryphal and happened in some side-universe, not 616: but you could also have a story today where Peter references having met the cast of SNL, and it would be true enough.

That's what I like about Marvel: not the sliding timeline, but the soft canon it implies. I really, really can't stand the DC hard canon trying to fit everything together. Even Star Trek fans know when to quit with that shit.

>>92311494
>the DC hard canon trying to fit everything together
wut

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>>92311444

>>92311514
... do you not know about the crises?

>>92311391
I thought Metropolis was more of an Analogue of Chicago, maybe Cleveland.

>>92311536
Yes, and I don't think they fit everything together, at all.

>>92311543
Chicago exists in DC, Gordons from there.

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>>92310937
>That square Kingpin

>>92311072
Dude, (radicalized) Islam IS the actual supervillain in our world

>92311117
Dude, if this human can do it, how a mutagenic can't?

>>92310937
I can see kingpin being upset at this. He probably knew people in the towers

>>92312003
people owning him money, no doubt

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>>92311391
>this threat to freedom

>>92312003
It's that weird WTS effect.
Where almost everyone knows someone who died during 9/11

>>92311041
>I believe DC decided that it never actually happened in the DCU.
I mean, it makes sense that it wouldn't, given the power levels. Seconds after than plane got hijacked, Superman would already be on his way, listening in on the conversations of the terrorists before arriving seconds later to remove them from the cockpits non-lethally and transport them to the FBI headquarters where they would face a fair trial.

It would be a total non-event there. Superman stops some hijackers. It probably wouldn't even make the news.

>>92311199
>Kingpin is just walking by, he doesn't care.
Kingpin just happened to buy insurance on the towers the day before. What a lucky guy.

>>92311112
Elaborate?

>>92312517
Doom is a fucking PUNK.

Everyone talks about how horrible a villain he is, yet every damn one of his reads, at least the ones that I've seen or been suggested to see by /co/, depict him as more of a fucking antihero than an actual villain.

Joker -- Killed Jason Todd, paralyzed Barbara, killed Sarah, etc.

Magneto -- Ripped Wolverine's fucking skeleton out

Green Goblin -- Killed Gwen Stacy, all of the psychological damage to his own fucking son

Doom -- The nigga delivered Reed Richards' child.

His big "act of villainy" there was just NAMING THE GIRL. Sure, you can toss out the whole "oh well he was proving that he could do something that Richards couldn't, he could help his family when Richards could not", or the bs "Oh well he's a classy motherfucker dohoho/he's an honorable villain" crap out there, but when it comes down to it, Doom hasn't done SHIT.

>>92311482
Rule of thumb was 4 years of our time was one of theirs. It's probably up to 5 years of our time is one of theirs by now though

>>92310921
Because it was an inside job and the avengers were probably involved in it.

>>92312550
And they constantly talk about:
1. Doom only wants to conquer the world because he thinks he would rule it best
2. He's probably right

He's visited multiple futures and alternate realities, and apparently his research has shown that a Doom-led Earth is the best chance for humanity's long-term survival.

If it were up to him he'd spend his time and energy breaking his mom out of Hell, but instead he selflessly gives up his life to public service. It's noble.

>>92312550
There's a story he used Ulysses Claw to rob a lot of Vibranium from Wakanda. Even the Avengers were mixed in that.
IIRC, lots of Wakadans and Claw's goons were killed

>>92312633
>he selflessly gives up his life to public service. It's noble.
See? No wonder heroes prefer fighting each other, since the bad guy is no longer bad.

>>92311391
>Green Arrow running around LA

Tell them to stop sticking Ollie in Seattle then.

Seriously, what happens to Star City every time Ollie fucks off to Seattle?

>>92311608
No, of course not.

They're there to dump everything that doesn't fit, so that you can have a single hard timeline until the don't fits build up enough that you have to do it again, only the latest one immediately fucked up by eg having Bruce conceive Damian before he was even Batman, which makes no sense.

It's like Talia saying "fuck it, Big Willy Gates can probably provide for my brat and the clock is ticking y'all".

Which is the problem with a hard canon. You can fuck up easily and then you end up rebooting/soft rebooting/a Manhattan did it until the end of time.

Doom will do anything for power.

>>92312737
>only the latest one immediately fucked up by eg having Bruce conceive Damian before he was even Batman, which makes no sense.
Isn't Damien currently artificially aged? Unless they got rid of that when moving to Rebirth. The current Superman timeline sounds like a clusterfuck. I really hope they just ignore it instead of trying to explain why

>>92310921
OP, don't you know who the real victims of 9/11 were?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVYsZTdMncg

I want this to become a 9/11 heroes appreciation thread.

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>>92310921
Some of the Avengers could've been on an away mission at the time or just away doing their own things. It's not like their world is perfect, they've allowed way worse to happen under their watch. Sometimes they're the cause of disasters in their own stories. Their world isn't perfect from disastrous events.

>>92312824
>we're useless, aren't we, Tony?
>yes, Steve. Completely. You want to play Hero vs. Hero?
>sure!

Sliding timescale. Only 15 years have passed since the Fantastic Four gained their powers, so no superheroes were actually around to stop it.

>>92311112
>>92312550
>>92312633

Still, there's way worse shit happening constantly around the world than 9/11. Especially if Doom's seen some sort of catastrophic alternate timelines and shit, some act of terrorism isn't going to have that crazy of an effect.

>>92312945
Yes, but nothing that bad had ever happened in the United States before. You have to remember that Marvel comics are primarily written by Americans for Americans.

>>92311099

remember how hitler kept all the superheroes away from helping out in germany using the spear of destiny

lol /co/ loves talking out of its ass.

>>92312577

They changed it so much. In a 2012 hulk comic they said secret invasion happened a YEAR ago. That shit was 2007 so... like every 6 years now?

>>92311041
Actually DC post new 52 had 9/11 it was referenced in one of the comics earlier since superheroes only first appeared 5 years before 2011 in that timeline.

No idea what the rebirth timeline is.

>>92312550
>>92312633
Oh fuck you. Doomfags are honestly the fucking worst. Even worse than Magneto fags.

You fuckers don't like to admit that these two are BAD guys with interesting layers. It's ok to like villains just don't hero worship them like a lunatic you fuckwits.


Dr Doom has KILLED people. He is a dictator with a fucking secret police and has an ego bigger than fucking Kim Jon Un.

Like I won't be surprised if Latveria taught that Dr Doom created the world and shits out rainbows for little kids.

He sent fucking Franklin Richards to hell, a powerless child at the time btw. He wore the skin of his dead first love that HE murdered to get an upgrade just to fucking kill Reed Richards.

Any chance he gets to save the world or serve his ego he will choose ego. Sometimes its convenient for his ego that he be the good guy. Case in point trying to prove he is better than Richard at everything so he joins the FF to defeat the council of Reeds.

He doesn't do it for altruistic bullshit he does it because he thinks he is fucking better. He is a control freak tyrant and as Superman put it best to Luthor in All Star; "He could've saved the world a long time ago if he really cared."


That's Doom. Stop whitewashing that faggot.

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>>92311391
>this threat to freedom

>>92310937
Dr. Doom cried at concert for new york

>>92310937
If my family member was killed in 9/11 I would feel insulted at this

>>92312725
Seattle is getting burned to the ground in the current GA to give rise to Star City

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>>92310921
That answer your question?

>>92311041
>>92311073
No it has to be a little longer by now.

You need to account for how old Spiderman is. If that was right, then Spideman would have been running around before the FF.

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>>92311117
>Spidey couldn't stop that anyway, it's above his powerlevel to catch planes at full throttle.

how about a nudge?

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>>92311013
if I recall, it was mentioned here in pic related that the WTC was a pro mutant relations facility if some sort, so there'd be mutants dying there.
plus magneto was in the Holocaust, he probably empathize with the human victims. don't let the movies fool you, he doesn't necessarily despise every human on earth. if that were the case he wouldn't really be motivated by the Holocaust to protect mutants.

>>92312550
>Green Goblin -- Killed Gwen Stacy, all of the psychological damage to his own fucking son

Don't forget he cucked spidey, taking Gwen's virginity and giving her twins

>>92310937

And this is still somehow better than Under the Shadow of No Towers.

>>92310956
This needs to be canon.

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Pull it.

The sliding time-scale has doomed Marvel Comics.
They are trapped in an endless loop and have been trapped since 1968. It will never progress past 1979.
Everything you have seen has already been done. Slaves to their own denial, the Marvel Universe repeats events incessantly always convinced that what they do is new and what is going on is unique.

>>92310937
Maybe it's like the Civilization games, when you've devoted so much time and resources to destroying the twin towers, and just five turns before it's done, your foreign affairs advisor tells you that al Qaeda has already done it, so you can't do it, anymore.

I'd be crying in rage, too.

>>92310921
None of the people who were supposed to be able to stop it in real life did.

>>92316635
>but in America we value the lives of our citizens
Good joke, everybody laughs.

>>92316424
should still have someone fly in and contain shit after the fact so it's not as big of a deal

but also thousands die in Marvel US every week so it wouldn't be a unique event either

It would have been racist towards the islamic race.

>>92316802
Enjoy your trucks of peace.
>Nobody kills Americans and gets away with it but other Americans.

>>92310937
Doom was crying that someone managed to upstage him.

>>92312945
>Still, there's way worse shit happening constantly around the world than 9/11.

You know why that is? Because those places are dominated by terrorism. Terrorism isn't about how many people you can kill, it's about breaking down a society and making people think that getting shot in the street is "normal". No one bats an eye when a shit hole has shitty things happening in it. But when a place like America, who is not only suppose to be so far removed from terrorism but actively fighting it, gets hit and gets hit with the biggest attack in history all within the span of an hour and a half, it's catastrophic. Yeah, there are places that are worse than America and there are even places that are safer than America where terrorism is even more outrageous when it happens (Like Japan), but America's reputation and place in the world is what separates it from the rest.

It's the difference between a bunch of mortals killing each other and a mortal breaking into Heaven and successfully bombing the place.

>>92310921
Maybe, even if it was physically possible for them to contain stuff after the first plane hit, it was more of a decision by the company to not try and change history so as not to disrespect the people who died by pretending it never happened.

Disregarding sliding timeline, it would kind of be like if they kept drawing present-day NYC with the Twin Towers because logically, "Avengers should be able to stop it!" or whatever. It'd be a little in bad taste, wouldn't it? If the skyline is going to change, why bother writing plots where they at least "reduced the damage". The Towers came down, better to accept it than thinking about how logical it is that superpowered people could've stopped it.

>>92312737
>They're there to dump everything that doesn't fit, so that you can have a single hard timeline until the don't fits build up enough that you have to do it again, only the latest one immediately fucked up by eg having Bruce conceive Damian before he was even Batman, which makes no sense.

The problem that came from that is they rushed the New 52 and they thought they needed to adhere to "Five Years Ago the Justice League Was Formed" which was a major mistake.

>All these youngfags

Emotions were running high everywhere during the events of 9/11. God forbid your pampered life ever gets disrupted.

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>>92310937
ok fags

Doom is crying because RICHARDS wasn't in the towers at the time. he is crying because of a loss that could have been.

also mags is there because it was towers full of jews, kingpin probably owned shit, ock is there because idk science shit and jugs is there because he wished he could have stopped in time.

jugs really caused the collapse of the WTC by running into them

that or living monolith did it
again

i posted this same pic back in 2011

>>92318277
>this was worse than the Holocaust!

>>92318328
In that it actually happened yeah.

>>92318344
So it wasn't worse. Then what's the problem? Many people didn't care about Americans dying, you know; especially those countries that suffered your foreign policy in the last century.

>>92310937
Doom hates pointless violence.

>>92318277
people said the same thing before 9/11 because the worst thing to happen before that in the 100 years since 2001 was WW2

>>92310921
who the fuck cares about muh towers fuck off.

>>92318328
>Twisting words

Yeah sure. If you believe that.

>>92318445
It's a sad cycle nobody wants to deal with.

>>92318316
>magneto is a jew
>has metallic telekinesis

He must be fucking mazing at picking up pennies

>>92318316

>Middle Easterner destroys twin towers

Marvel predicted 9/11 holy shit. They should just retcon their stories and say this is what happened. It's close enough.

>>92318460

>Underaged b8 faggot detected

>>92318531
yeah, but its funny

look at what happened after those events
we had a stream of paranoia from other countries

after WW2, we were weary of the russians
after 911, we were thinking everyone was a terrorist because they had a thick beard

>>92310921
Because whoever works at Marvel is clearly retarded and decided to include 9/11 in a world of superheroes who could stop it instantly.

>>92318554
i'd want to see a giant mummy man smash the WTC too, anon

>>92318591
Hipsters are cultural terrorists.
>yeah, but its funny
Americans are more thin-skinned than they look.

>>92311159
Tried? Dude he had succeeded
Twice

In the MU the TT have been trashed at least 10 times before 9/11

>>92310921
Because Marvel is retarded
In fairness their offices are in NY so it hit them hard but they didn't consider the long run implications of having the event actually happen in their continuity.

Like even if we accept 911 happened in the Marvel universe you have to face that worse shit happens all the fucking time. 911 would probably barely make the front page of any non New York based paper because of some supervillain related shit going on in the world

>>92318277
yes but you can do tributes outside of continuity, like DC did

>>92318774
if anything, i doubt anyone is going to care going in to the future about this issue.

they always push up a timescale, so this just didn't happen or at the worst, no one was fucking around because of a Secret Wars or some shit.

>>92310937
What I don't get about is Magneto doesn't seem happy about it. His deal was always about people that humans are self destructive and kill what they fear. He should be grinning from ear to ear over this.

Doom though, he loves people so they can bask in his glory.

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>Marvel will forever be remembered by crying Doom whenever people think about 9/11 comics
>Meanwhile DC has this beauty
I'm actually amazed this didn't become more iconic

>>92318890
because casuals don't get the message that superman doesn't consider himself a hero and puts normal emergency services responders above himself

>>92310937
Didn't Doom immediately unleash symbiotes on New York?

Sully could have stopped it.

>>92312725
>>92313495
>tfw you live one ferry ride away from Seattle

>>92310921
Because they were in on it

>>92315652
wait what elaborate in the Gwen part

>>92310921
Avengers Tower wouldn't exist for another three years AFTER 9/11.

>>92318277
You know that even when the Doom issue was released, people said it was shit at the time, right?

Of course you don't.

>>92318591
>after WW2, we were weary of the russians
That was because of a President. Russia was our friends for a good time.

>>92319542
Didn't hitler have the spear of destiny or something which nullified superhero powers as a bullshit cop-out
Where did that thing go

>>92319717
That has nothing to do with what I said.

Has 9/11 been mentioned in other comic lines?
I know in Ex Machina they had only 1 tower fall cos the superhero was able to save the other one.
I thought that was a neat way to do it.

>>92310937
>Could we rape the character of Dr. Doom in 1 page?

>>92310921
DC has New York as of nu52

>>92322903
They have always had NYC. JSA headquarters were there.

>>92318988
>Look at him sitting there judging us
The older I get the more I see Lex in everyday people.

>>92312550
Long Ago, I, Reed Richards, elastic master of Fantasy, unleashed an unspeakable science!
But a foolish king wilding a magical armor dared to opose me...

>>92319717
According to Wikipedia, Hitler used the spear to turn any superhero into a nazi if they entered his territory.

>>92310921
because it was an inside job and reacting to 9/11 would have made more money as a comic book than simply saying that false flag attacks are a part of imperial power grabbing. gulf of tonkin was a hoax because it never happened. 9/11 was a hoax because jet fuel can't melt steel beams

>>92318620

It makes more sense for the Marvel universe if you think about it haha.

>>92310937
Doom cried because those people have died without knowing the glory that is DOOM.

>>92310937
Did they at least tried to help or just were standing there while people were dying?

>>92318890
Very nice

>>92316961
What about the Mossad? Our great (((allie))) never do wrong...rigth?

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>>92310921

I forget the exact wording, but Marvel and I'm assuming DC (if you don't count Watchmen, which was specifically a story trying to portray supers in the real world) didn't have their characters go solve the Vietnam problem either when that was going on because it would come off as at the very least in poor taste. People were protesting the war as troops were dying in a conflict that wasn't going to have a clear resolution based more in political ideological quagmires than good v. evil or a foreign power bombing us first.

The Golden Age heroes fighting Nazis and punching out Hitler were collectively a metaphor to rally and continue showing support against an objectively evil and invasive force taking over most of the world; it wasn't the same situation.

Maybe it's just the changing times but it would also be in poor taste if there was a comic where Spidey and the Avengers went after Bin Laden or over at DC Superman just caught the planes after the tragedy is already over and done in real life. I don't think people would feel better about the deaths simply by reading a story where 9/11 was averted by super beings.

Controversy, having a bunch of heroes go liberate NK or toss Putin into the sun would be in poor taste, especially if the former actually managed to launch a missile and kill thousands.