Report: Legacy creative line-up will be very familiar to Marvel

Didn't we already know this?

>>92285953
Looks nice.

>>92285953
I guess sam is done as cap.

>>92285989
Cosmically, yes. It IS Marvel, after all.
But the actual Legacy lineups aren't known yet. Not until the October solicits drop next month.

>>92286009
Personally, I'm more concerned about Sam being done as Nova.

>>92285953
>Bendis and Slott they'll be staying on their beats.
Good to know that Margel just will continue to be the same crap. Thank God. Now all my money will go to DC.

>>92286035
>Not until the October solicits drop next month.
No, wait, my bad, I completely forgot "Generations" and "Legacy" are two separate things.

Good, good... Guess I can drop Marlel completely now. It'll save me lots of cash for sure, so I ain't even angry.

>>92285953
1) In other words Marvel learned fucking nothing. Still sticking with controversy sells books.

They'll probably just get a couple more A-list artists from DC or South America.

2) What about Avengers? If Waid is off the book maybe they'll open it up to new talent?

>>92285953
>Slott on Spidey still
What the fuck? What's it going to to take to get some fucking new blood?

>>92286103
These are just the current known or alleged writers. They'll probably be announcing more over the next month in the lead-up to the official Legacy solicits.

>>92286169
Slott's blood being shed.

>>92286169
Axel Alonso and Tom Brevoort loses their jobs. He was been promised by the former that he can stay on the book as long as he wants during Superior Spider-Man.

Oh FFS, even Archie changed the creative teams sometimes!

i wonder if Marvel will end up hiring all the archie sonic writers

>>92286332
Would that be good or bad?

At this point marvel is probably too far along to change directions, they're just going to have to ride it out and wait on shaking anything up for a while.

>>92285953
D.O.A.

>>92286356
better than the current Marvel writers

>>92286099
How I've felt lately. I went into the LCS and the guy told me Moon Knight and Nova were done. "Looks like you don't read Marvel comics anymore" lol.

>>92285953
>no nova

just

It'd be interesting to see what the single issue sales would be the first non-Bendis Miles or IM or non-Slott Spidey would be. I honestly think they'd double for the first issue. I don't know about the staying power though.

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>>92285953

>>92285953
You know what the saddest thing about this is?

Fanboys will fall for it hook line and sinker and make it a success. Because nostalgia pandering always works

>>92286915
>Because nostalgia pandering always works

See a lot of people think this was why rebirth succeeded so far. You will find out very quickly when this shit lands with a splat how incorrect that was. Number ones will do numbers because marvel will over-ship and demand shops stock them.

By #5 half of this shit, at least, will be at cancellation levels.

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>>92285953
>We're going to change, guys!
>Same comic roster.
>Same creative teams.
>Same editors.

>>92286978
They aren't even putting lipstick on it, they're just giving you a pig and saying it's a golden retriever.

>>92287017
more like they are golden showering you, while telling you that it's beer

>>92286791
Guess Sam finally ran out of free chances.

>>92286915
It will be just like it is now, #1s selling and #2s disappearing into thin air. Right now there X-Men books that by the third issue will be out of the top 20, I don't see any of the Legacy stuff will be different

>>92287305
He's just another dumbass who thinks "shitty rebirth is only doing well because of muh nostalgia"

>>92285953
>At the very least, keeping the controversial and unrepentant Nick Spencer on Captain America is going to require the greatest rebranding of all times.
SteveCap is one of Marvel's better-selling titles, so there's no need. It's just progressives who hate it.

>>92285953
>>Daredevil
>Charles Soule
this is literally the only one I'm interested in.

And just because I want to give to Soule another chance.

>>92285953
Welp, same old, same old.

I want to see Bunn do Iron Doom instead, New Warriors by either Ewing or Loveness, Duggan for Thunderbolts and have Taylor tackle "x vs/kills Marvel Universe".

>>92285953
>It will be very familiar

WOAH ITS THE SAME AS BEFORE

>>92285953
>Slott will never leave ASM
>it will be 2089 and Slott will still be on fucking ASM

>>92286169
Slott is one cheeseburger away from permanent retirement.

>>92287440
it's firmly middle of the pack

>>92287440
>better-selling
I like how even your bait can't suggest something as absurd as calling it a "best-selling" title.

>>92288183
We aren't that lucky (plus Slott probably has good healthcare). If being unhealthy could kill Slott it would have done so a long time ago.

Slott is going to live and stay on Amazing Spider-Man for YEARS. YEARS. YEARS.

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>>92285953

>>92286035
>Robbie no longer Ghost Rider
>Sam no longer Nova
>Otto no longer Spider-man
Why is it only the good legacies that revert?

>>92287888
>New Warriors
Synergy ahoy!
It'll be by Ryan North and you'll like it.

>>92288279
Its only one image

>>92286035
>Personally, I'm more concerned about Sam being done as Nova.
Aw fuck. If they don't give us the Nova Family from Secret Wars, I'm afraid. Dick/Sam was a good team, but who knows if Dick's going to stay alive

>>92286200
I can't imagine they'd take Ewing off Royals especially since the Inhumans need someone like him

>>92285953
>keeping the controversial and unrepentant Nick Spencer on Captain America is going to require the greatest rebranding of all times.
Alternatively, just call it Z SIXIS 2: Cosmic Boogaloo, cause we got Iron Doom, Hydracap, Pymtron, unworthy Thor again, evil Ben and a serious She-Hulk.
But a little too late for that, eh?

>>92285953

So deadpool is included in legacy push? I mean, I'm not sure who they could team up DP with..his daughter is way too young still, his other daughter isn't even a teenager till 2099 so that leaves..Evan?

Are we getting a DP/Evan book? because that would be awesome but other than that..I be confused.

>>92288588
Its old characters with new. Not really two versions of each.

>>92288279
Where did they Sam was going to no longer be Nova? I'm sure they have a few other teams nobody's interested in planned for him

>>92288611

From the poster it seems like they're trying to match similar characters though..

>>92288588
Legacy is the relaunch, Generations is the team-up with legacies

it's confusing

>>92288588
>>92288611
I wonder if that's their way of keeping Gwenpool around. I don't know if Duggan would be as good with her as Hastings,
but he's done wonders with Deadpool so I wouldn't be worried

>>92288660
This, they'll team him up with Kamala and Miles and try again to get the little shit up and running.

>>92288686

Duggan has all but avoided joke characters, he's literally anti-waypool, so I don't see that happening.

Gwenpool is in cancellation territory so she'll probably get dropped into a team book.

>>92288674
Not in the image above.

>>92288350
Oh, fuck monkey's paw!
Also, whatever happened to Darkhawk, Speedball and Namorita?

WHOA HEY BATOWL'S HERE TO SHIT UP ANOTHER THREAD

>>92286938
And what basis do you have for this other then your own internal bias?

>>92288795
Yeah new avengers.

>>92288823
Dude really is mad. Nice

>>92288857
I know, right? SO sad.

>>92285953
fuck bendis and slott and i could give a shit what aaron does at marvel, i just care about southern bastards atm
i like soule and spencer

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There's not a single face on this lineup I'm excited for.

>>92289005
>Mar-vell
>Carol in her Ms. Marvel costume
>Phoenix
>Falcon twice in two different costumes
guarantee like half this list is just for Generations

>>92288831
The basis based on their sales since the ANAD relaunch.

>>92289005
Wait, why are there 2 Black Panthers there?

>>92289062
maybe Kasper Cole is coming back

>>92286009
Marvel is going to have their cake and eat it too.

instead of putting out books like Foolkiller and Solo they're going to release a 2nd Thor and Wolverine book, keep Both Captain America and Spider-Man books, ect.

so the Legacy Characters will keep their own books and the originals will get new ones with the old numbering in place.

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>>92288279
ROBBIE. IS. NOT. A. LEGACY!

>>92289051
ANAD wasn't branded or marketed with nostalgia-fags in mind

>>92289005
Then who the fuck in Marvel do you like? The only people not there are some X-Men and the FF

>>92287305
X-men reboot announcement wasn't even received well by fans, while Rebirth got a lot of hype after the creatives were announced at the comic con announcement.

So this is like post-CoIE? Earth-1 and Earth-2 versions in the same Earth?

>>92289038
>guarantee like half this list is just for Generations
Correct. They confirmed they only show up for the specials then proceed to fuck off.

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>>92289005
>no monica
>no brb
>no war machine
>not a single nova or ant-man
Legacy my ass.

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>>92289850
Also back when CBR had polls the Rebirth poll had a split between people being cautious and people being excited with the people not interested a distant third.

The Marvel Now 2.0 poll had an overwhelming sense of disinterest after the teaser was shown.

This is also notable because CBR usually is more biased toward Marvel.

When does Aaron get off Thor? He has written around 50ish issues already and none of his stories have been impressive.
Who do you think should take over?

>>92290189
Ewing

just clone Ewing and put him on everything

>>92290199
/co/ really likes Ewing. But Ewing sells like shit on any book he's in. Putting Ewing in more books is going to do nothing but crash Marvel's sales.

>>92289269
>instead of putting out books like Foolkiller and
Solo

Y'know I don't have a problem with Marvel giving solos to more obscure characters. One of my favorite Marvel characters is Mania and she is definitely not A-list, B-list, or hell even C-list. However when deciding to give a solo to a character, Marvel should try to see if those characters have, you know, fans. Because characters like Solo don't have fans. I had never even heard of Solo.

>>92290328
Ewing sells like shit because Marvel only gives him C-List-or-below characters

that may of course be exactly what he wants so he can fuck around without editorial oversight, but "Ewing is sales poison" is a meme that wold more accurately be described as "Ewing never writes popular characters"

>>92290199
Ewing is sales poison.
On the other hand, his Loki is GOAT though I think he's much better doing teams, C-listers or teams of C-listers.

>>92290433
They showed up in Deadpool Mercs for money after a long absence I presume. I wouldn't be surprised if it was Ike getting butthurt at Fox making money with Deadpool. So in typical Ike fashion, get these obscure characters, put them alongside Deadpool and them give each of them a solo series so we could have 5 Deadpools!

>>92290428
He was a character that was mainly used in the 90's (particularly in Spider-Man comics) and used very rarely in the 00's and then suddenly used in Deadpool as one of his Mercs For Money.

I think the fact that you (and others) don't know who Solo is means not as many people were reading the main Deadpool comic as much as Marvel thinks. Had Solo been used in Deadpool AND Spider-Man for at least a year in recent memory then I could understand them doing a series. But not when they throw him into Deadpool for a few months and into that Mercs For Money series and then do an ongoing in the same year.

>>92290199
Ewing sucks at writing Thor, he writes him like he's the moron he is in the MCU.

>>92290601
When has he written non-inverted Thor?

>>92290599
Do people these days know who Sleepwalker or Darkhawk is?

>>92285953
This will sell gangbusters. Marvelfags are dumb as shit

>>92291268
This

>>92290797
The Tenth Realm mini-series.

And Loki: AoA #1 where he retcons Thor into bullying Loki as a kid when in almost all prior times there childhoods have been shown Thor was a great brother and Loki was a shit who tried to get Thor in trouble, humiliated or even killed regularly.

>>92290867
I don't know, maybe Darkhawk because he got a figure recently.

>>92288588

This isn't the one shots for Generations. The news is that the current creators are sticking around for the ongoings during the next relaunch. Just like Marvel Now rounds 2 and 3

>>92289610
Nova? Ant-Man? The new X-Men? The Runaways? Avengers Academy? Thunderbolts?

The fact that you say everyone is there when it's just the over-saturated bunch shows how used to the bland current Marvel we are.

>>92287044
Good.

Fuck cancerkid.

>>92289331
He's a dude named Ghost Rider that isn't the original Ghost Rider. That makes him a legacy.

>>92288473
>If they don't give us the Nova Family from Secret Wars
Already confirmed that they'll be in Duggan's GotG as part of the new Nova Corps.

>>92285953
I told you this shit would happen when it was announced. Marvel won't make the fundamental changes creatively (both in terms of actual content and in terms of talent) that DC made that made Rebirth work. You're going to get the same writers and the same artists telling the exact same stories with the furniture rearranged and the house repainted. They're also not going to do the price drop to $2.99 for most of their books either which was almost certainly a big factor in Rebirth's success.

Typical of modern Marvel. They just look at the answer without the reasoning. Putting Cap back in his old costume isn't going to fix the underlying structural problems.

>>92290428
>Because characters like Solo don't have fans
Fuck you, I had been asking for a Solo mini for 20 years. I just, y'know, didn't expect them to actually give him one.

>>92286356
Flynn's a decent writer so Marvel would probably stick him on the twentieth failed attempt at a Rocket Raccoon ongoing or something.

>>92292370
This. I refuse to buy any Marvel book until he's dead, preferably in a way that makes it impossible for him to be brought back. Ideally involving him getting cancer or being stuck/fused with the cancerverse.

>>92292894
But there was a Solo mini released in 1994.
>>92290599
And he had been featured in Deadpool for a year before the second mini dropped. Marvel's big problem is that they dropped Solo, Foolkiller, and Slapstick all at once forcing them to compete with each other instead of doing one after the other. When Deadpool was upgraded from X-Force nemesis to miniseries star they didn't also publish a bunch of other minis along with it to see which one would stick.

>>92292871
It's been an amusing ride nonetheles. Watching NOW!er flop, and SE blow up in Spencer's face with the entire internet hating him, well deserved after all he's done.

>>92288686
I remember liking the Fear Itself Deadpool tie in which was Hastings' first Marvel work. His use of Deadpool in Gwenpool was also fantastic so if Duggan ever leaves that book I'd really hope that Marvel's smart enough to give it to Hastings.

>>92289269
Foolkiller was great and they should be giving guys like Bemis chances on bigger characters instead of keeping the same stale shit around. Bemis 100% should be writing Generation X, not Strain.

>>92293236
>And he had been featured in Deadpool for a year

Was it a year? I thought he just showed up in Deadpool's book in early 2016.

>Marvel's big problem is that they dropped Solo, Foolkiller, and Slapstick all at once forcing them to compete with each other instead of doing one after the other.

I think this was also a problem within the comic. they didn't get enough time to shine.

>>92285953
What's the point then?

>>92293780
Showed up November 2015, mini out in October 2016.

>>92288262
This is perfect. I recognized it immediately. I love you anon

>>92292871
I expected SOME shakeup. Maybe Pak on Captain America. And Spencer moved to X-Men. Etc. SOMETHING.

bring back spurrier pls marvel.............................................

>>92285953
I just want my fucking fantastic four back. BEEN TOO LONG

>>92285953
What if the "Internet-breaking Reveal" in Legacy going to be?

Because unless Scrooge McDuck and Luke Skywalker are coming to 616, there is no twist to make this creative line-up less shit.

>>92294746
Would you like it written by Bendis?

>>92286035
>Not until the October solicits drop next month.
Lol no June will see September solicits while July will see October solicits.

>>92295000
>f4 written by bendis
>f4 not written at all

Unironicly a hard choice.
>susan gets BLACKED.com

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>>92295687
nothing new under the proverbial sun

All this talk about the main Marvel Universe has got me wondering about their other imprints. MAX hasn't published anything since... Fury: My War Gone By I think? And Icon only publishes Powers. Are we ever going to see these imprints come back?

>>92296056
>MAX hasn't published anything since... Fury: My War Gone By I think?

Actually this is a good point, didn't they announce another Punisher series by Ennis that took place during his Vietnam years? Did it get canceled because it wasn't TV synergy or something?

>>92296056
MAX is dead. Cloonan's Punisher run has the "for mature readers only" stamp.

>>92296107
It might say "for mature readers only" but it sure doesn't feel that way. Character's can't fuck or say "fuck" without censorship. I say they should use some of their darker characters for a few new MAX series.

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>>92285953
>Bendis on Iron Man and Miles Spider-Man
>Slott still on Spider-Man proper
Same old stupid shit, go fucking figure.

Pretty obvious by now that Marvel will never learn.

>>92289610
Silver Surfer

>>92294913
it'll turn out to be Miracleman

>>92296495
And it'll be written by Bendis and drawn by Land

>Marvel Legacy!

>It's like Marvel's version of Rebirth!

>We will pander to the fans again?

>What? No, we're not getting rid of the characters you don't like, you shitlord.

>What? Why would we hire new talent?

>No, everyone is staying on the same books.

Let me guess, the entirety of Marvel Legacy will be advertising the fact that Disney made a deal with Fox?

>>92285953
>Legacy should be a return to form for Marvel as they finally start to listen to their fans for the first time in years
>"Nah, here's the same shit we've been giving you that you clearly don't want."

>>92288279
Otto is the Superior Octopus or some shit

if they want to save marvel they need to hire an autistic editor that wont let continuity slip.

They need to get rid of Bendis and Slott.

>>92296375
The issues with the tag are noticeably gorier than the first few without it.

>>92297349
If those issues have the tag because of gore then why haven't other series gotten that too? I would think that Daredevil would have gotten it especially during the arc focusing on Muse.

>>92285953

>The same old shitty creative teams

So nothing is going to change?

>>92294913
Either it's Miracleman
or Marvel will go meta and the reveal will be that nothing has changed.

>>92297661
What if the reason Miracleman: Silver Age has been delayed so long is because they want it to be published right after revealing his Marvel Universe appearance? It's starting to all make sense now.

>>92285953
>>Iron Man
>>Miles Morales: Spider-Man
>Brian Michael Bendis
>>Daredevil
>Charles Soule
>>Captain America
>Nick Spencer
>>Amazing Spider-Man
>Dan Slott
>>Thor
>Jason Aaron
>>Deadpool
>Gerry Duggan
arent these the same writer see got now?

>>92298958
Yep, that's the issue

>>92299122
well i actually do like What Spencer is doing and As long as Ewings still around

>>92299154
Me too, but if I had to choose either keeping the same, or going clean slate with no Slott or Bendis clean slate all day

>>92298958
>>92299122
Honestly, it makes me wonder what goes on over at Marvel that makes them think everything BUT changing the creative teams on their books is the problem.

Do they go to the writers and be like
>Yo, have you seen anything on Twitter about why people don't like our books?
and the writers are like
>Nah, but I did have to block a bunch of people who said that I was the problem.
and Marvel's like
>Aight, just checking.

>>92286825
I won't buy any of these books, except for Deadpool, with these writers on them. (Although I like Spencer and his Cap. I just think it's absurd to keep him on after all this and the stories are likely to suffer. No one keeps the momentum going after they do a big event like this and stay on).

>>92299122
The return to legacy numbers issue! Isn't that ~EXCITING~, guys?!

>>92299439
Nepotism. The current writers and editors are entrenched in their own circle in the company after many writers left Marvel.

Is the real Thor coming back? Will there be less Miles? Also I just want a Captain America book where him and shield agents fight AIM and Hydra.

>>92299531
Was for a split second

>>92299753
>Is the real Thor coming back?
Possibly, though Jane is probably sticking around as Thor as well.
>Will there be less Miles?
Bendis hasn't been fired or killed, so what do you think?

>>92299753
Miles could be his own cool super hero like Arach-Kid or something Jane idk who cares about the Steve Trevor tier characters

>>92290433
Not true. He's written the Avengers multiple times. I remember his first roster having Spodermin, even.

>>92299895
The Avengers name isn't a big seller, especially when it's one of Ewing's Avengers teams with a bunch of literal nobodies+Spider-man

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>DCunts ITT

FUCK YOU OUR MOVIES MAKE MORE THAN YOUR BULLSHIT EVER WILL

ENJOY YOUR WONDER EDGE WOMAN FAGGOTS

The Repetitive Spiderman
Dan Slotted brings you more of what he did before.

Captain America & No Friends
Join Steve, the Billy No Mates of the Marvel Universe as he and his imaginary friends do stuff.

Iron WoMan
Riri Williams is more man than Tony, she''s the best hero ever! Better than any man!

>>92299753
He'll have to work with SHIELD Agents as the other supes won't work with him.

>>92300034
>Avengers isn't a big seller
It was for a good long while under Benis.

I guess Benis is a better seller than Ewing wew.

>>92300034
Ewing wrote the real Avengers in Avengers Assemble and Ultron Forever. Your excuses are weak, the guy doesn't sell at all.

>>92300137
Comics were just selling higher in general during Bendis's run

are we saying Nick Spencer is sales poison now because his Captain America isn't selling as much as Brubaker's?

>>92300037
Has anyone ever noticed that the only defenders of modern Marvel comics only have good things to say about the movies?

>>92300137

its not though?

as seen by Marvel's attempts to have 7 Avengers books just a few years ago in the gap between the Avengers films, and could only keep 2 of them going.

>>92300147
Avengers isn't a big seller, period

The main Avengers title only does around 40K right now, never mind all the various spinoffs

>>92300201
Comic sales have been seeing annual growth since 2011 so that's actually bad.
>>92300293
That's because Waid became Woke and is producing hackwork. Bendis made Avengers/New Avengers/Mighty Avengers top ten selling books in the 00s. Marvel went from "half our line is x-books" to "half our line is Avengers."

>>92300062
>Riri Williams is more man than Tony, she''s the best hero ever! Better than any man!

Riri Williams is actually a big-dicked trans and the series is a mix of superheroics and ecchi comedy where female versions of Iron Man villains try to seduce her when they're not fighting.

>>92296563
Not surprised they would give Miracleman to someone like Bendis, I mean both Quesada and Alonso said that if they had Rom back they would have given him to Bendis.

>>92286211
This, Alonso and Brevoort are making pretty shitty decisions and are part of the reason current Marvel is so shit. Ideally Ike leaving would make everything better but that fucker won't go anytime soon.

Best thing we can hope for is Alonso fucking off and being replaced by someone outside the current Marvel group.

>>92286035
>>92288279
No way will they drop Sam, he gets pushed in the GotG cartoon and even the Avengers Academy game.

He may not be popular because he's not the pet character of an overrated writer or editor but Loeb is head of Marvel TV and that alone keeps him safe.

At the least he will just occasionally appear as a guest character or be stuck in Champions hell.

Fuck if they don't continue Nova, at least give Champions to Loveness.

>>92288473
Duggan confirmed the Nova family

>>92288795
His Deadpool #30 was pretty much the opposite of his usual Deadpool stuff, like it was a comic where Wade just went kill happy on everyone without caring who he killed or the consequences.

He even killed people who didn't deserved it.

But I guess that's who Deadpool is, he's a very unhinged character.

>>92300201
Spencer is sales poison.
Look at Iron Man 2.0.

>>92286035
>>92286009
Maybe Sam should be Nova instead? Have we had a black Nova? And then Sam can be Kid Falcon. Let's add in Cannonball for kicks.

>>92301664

Right but that was a standalone story to sell at a much higher price.

He did that to sell the story in a fun kind of way, going back to your roots kind of thing.

>>92285953
Marvel can't even fucking copy DC right.

>>92285953
Is Thor getting His hammer back

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>>92292894
Can you tell me why you like him?

>>92285953
>I’m throwing this up with a grain of salt
stop watching youtube, is bad for you and they only know the words: "iconic" "grain of salt" and "kevin smith should direct everything"

>>92306076
Not that guy, and having never read anything with Solo in it, but when you consider that the MU has something like 300 active terrorist groups a guy running around like one of those hardcore 70s mercenaries in the African Bush Wars fighting terrorists around the world is a pretty solid concept.

>Slott and Bendis still exist

>>92285953
>>Iron Man
>Brian Michael Bendis

I had hope but fuck it not getting back into comics now till this fucker is gone

Only good thing about that was Duggan
But fuck Marvel though

>>92286978
Be honest you'd fuck that pig.

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>>92305424

One of the Civil War 2 visions already confirmed it's coming. We just don't know when.

General theory is it'll happen closer to the Ragnarok movie. So roughly October/November.

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>>92308882
>yfw that's just a really swole Jane

>>92308057
This.