Now that the dust has settled can we all agree that this is the

In b/4 some bitter faggot complains about energy bending being a deus ex machina

we will never agree on that

I like Avatar but the only purpose of this thread will be to start shit between the people who do and don't

>>92237407
It's certainly one of my favorites, and while the energy bending thing kind of came out of nowhere, I still liked it and it at least felt like it belonged, partly because they never delved into Avatar mythology too much and left it mysterious and ambiguous, letting us form our own conclusions.

Then fucking Korra came, pulled everything out of it's ass, and shat on TLAA. I personally like to believe Korra never happened.

Also, this is my first post on /co/, so forgive me if I have an unpopular opinion

>>92237407
Fuck no.
Sorry /co/, the best American cartoons of all time are all comedies.

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>>92237407
I was really liking it, and wanted it to live up to the praise, but the season 2 ending and everything that followed feature irredeemably bad writing.

Calling it the greatest is frankly insulting to western animation.

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>>92237407
Pic related is much, much better.
I've never wanted to rewatch a cartoon as much as this one. Sorry, ATLA.

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Nah, man.

"Best" is purely subjective in this case. AtLA is a fantastic show and certainly deserving of recognition as one of this generation's greats... but it isn't perfect and there are valid arguments to be made in favor of other shows as well.

>>92238011
literally 13 year old shipbaiting the show.

>>92237407
Hell no! Zutara would have been much better than Kataang!

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>>92237407

It was until Korra came along. It was even better.

>>92237407
No, that would be star wars the Clone Wars

>>92238339
:^)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bmKaQqinWKY

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>>92238086
WoY proves it's better to have no ending than a shitty one like ATLA

>>92238353
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WIj7gIDFDe4

You know, you just might have something there.

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>>92238339
>>92238373

>>92238450
but>>92238373
is true. Korra is shit

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>>92238422
He said The Clone Wars, not Clone Wars, and he's right.

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>>92238478
only for retards on /co/ that cant stop bitching

>>92238373

ER is pretty much what happens with you combine /co/, /tv/, and /pol/ and shove it into one youtube channel.

he makes some pretty solid points in his videos but I feel that his "im so fucking edgy, laugh at me" humor can get pretty old really quick.

but overall he is alright.

>>92237407
>greatest cartoon ever made

By some criteria, certainly.

>has a perfect ending?

Absolutely not.

Seriously, though, I was so disappointed that nothing happened between Zuko and Katara after Crossroads of Destiny. Shame.

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>>92238509
Wow, this place really is /co/mblr. /v/ was right about you

>>92237407
incredible cartoon, wonderful execution

Lion Turtle is still complete bullshit and we should have seen more of that guru guy.

Good thing there wasn't a shitty sequel that followed.

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>>92238500
I know, I just enjoy any excuse to post this scene.

...and does The Clone Wars include that godawful movie with the baby Hutt?

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>>92238559
fuck off and go back

>>92238198
There was FAAAAAAAAR more shipbait in ATLA, you absolute moron.

>>92237407
No and no.

>>92237746
More like Deus Ex Rock-ina

>>92238601
nah, I like it here. Besides, it seems like I'm not alone in thinking korra is shit

>>92238593
>and does The Clone Wars include that godawful movie with the baby Hutt?
It's the pilot for the show. It was supposed to be 4 separate episodes but they decided to change it into a movie and it ended up shitty. The actual show was never as bad as that.

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>>92238632
yeah some small minority on /co/ so many

>>92237910
>>92237949
>>92237958
>>92238011
>>92238086
>>92238198
>>92238281
>>92238339
>>92238353
>>92238410
>>92238518
>>92238541
>>92238575
>>92238604
>>92238616
should have listened to >>92237779
seriously what is this thread even trying to achieve?

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>>92238746
only an autist picks semantics like that

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>>92238833
nice mad kid

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>>92238861
here's your last (You) since I'm out of images.

btw, Korra sucks

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>>92238904
are you well

>>92238833
>picks
>not nitpicks

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>tfw we can't have comfy Avatar threads any more because all of /co/ have convinced themselves Korra is the worst show ever and they will turn every thread into a circlejerk over how shitty it is.

>>92238799
/co/ just loves to argue.

This much should be obvious by now.

>>92238971
To be fair, ATLA is pretty bad too. /co/ is just being retarded about it because Western animation is a wasteland compared to anime.

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>>92238971
yea it fucking sucks there was a thread about zuko dating then some retards started bitching about korra

>>92238988
What is the point of a discussion board according to you?

>>92239002
it's almost as if people have different opinions and /co/ isn't a single hivemind

Korra suffers from Digimon 02 syndrome. It wasn't as good as the first and is fucking panned for that - then had a really bad fan fic type ending which ruined the show for many people.

I've rewatched both of them back to back multiple times, and Korra really isn't that much worse. It's definitely worse, and the characters are overall substantially worse - but it's not like LA was 10/10 and Korra was 0/10.

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>>92239002

>Any anime
>Anywhere near the quality of Avatar and Korra

>>92238971
I dislike it because I'm a massive lorefag because of video games, and I felt it betrayed a lot of source material, and retconned things that didn't need to be. Of course, you're free to disagree with me. That's the beauty of being human, we can like different things and shitpost while respecting that

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>>92239036

Avatar is 9/10
Korra is 8/10

>>92239049
>I felt it betrayed a lot of source material
how

>>92238971
Korra tainted Avatar. Sorry there's no going about.
It's similar to every other shit prequel/sequel that was so bad and destroyed what made the original material so great.

>>92239043
Pretty much any anime /a/ regularly talks about is leagues better than both. Now, you can obviously find shit anime quite easily, but nobody watches it, unlike shit cartoons.

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JACKFAGS

ASSEMBLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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>>92239110
idiot

>>92239072
I wouldn't rate Korra an 8, but yeah I agree they are closer than most people say.

>>92237779
Has there EVER been a "Now that the dust has settled, can we all agree [x]" thread that wasnt just bait?

Even though I actually do agree with OP in this case.

>>92239036
>>92239072
Compared to ATLA's relative 10/10, LOK really is 0/10. Of course, IMO ATLA barely gets a passing grade, so LOK literally isn't even on the scale.

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>>92239080
>every single air nomad now has tattoos instead of just masters
>lionturtles hand out powerups instead of people learning from nature/animals
>Avatar state is actually Raava instead of all the knowledge of the Avatars past lives
>spirits are straight out of Spirited away instead of being representations of animals
>Spirit world portals are fucking megaman teleport beams
>Bloodbending without a full moon, thus allowing one to become a god. Katara and Hama are fucking scrubs for needing the moon

And much more that I'll have to look up.

But of course, don't let me detract from your enjoyment of the show

>>92239205
nice opinion

>>92239165

Yeah, I really don't get how there's supposed to be this HUUUGE gap in quality between the two. Maybe if all of Korra was like the first half of season 2, but only then. To me, Korra is just more of the same with a few more flaws.

>>92239220
Thanks, I worked hard on it.
(Actually, I kind of did, seeing as how I used to think much more like >>92239072 but always with a sense of unease, like something was wrong with both shows.)

>>92239206
>And much more that I'll have to look up.
Other anon here: please do, I'm curious if there's anything wrong with LOK I haven't read about yet, or thought of myself for that matter.

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>>92239206
>every single air nomad now has tattoos instead of just masters
when did that happen
>>92239206
>people learning from nature/animals
they learned the style of bending from animals didnt get the bending from them >>92239206
>Avatar state is actually Raava instead of all the knowledge of the Avatars past lives
it was allays a power up
>spirits are straight out of Spirited away instead of being representations of animals
how is that a bad thing
>Spirit world portals are fucking megaman teleport beams
thats what a portal is
Bloodbending without a full moon
only 2 can do that and he needed to train all his life to master it and his brother needed a fullmooon and all 3 are dead

looks like you need to watch the show again

>>92239205
This is by far one of the most autistic posts I've seen on /co/ in a while. I hope this was an ironic shitpost.

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>>92239151
>Now, you can obviously find shit anime quite easily, but nobody watches it, unlike shit cartoons.

Now now, lets no exaggerate; there is plenty of shit animu that gets popular and is talked about. Hell, all that even the shittiest of anime needs to get relatively popular on 4chan is for some company to dub it and release it on western TV.

>>92239440
>This is by far one of the most autistic posts I've seen on /co/ in a while. I hope this was an ironic shitpost.
You have shit taste, and nope, it certainly was not.

>>92237407
The first part of season 3 was pointless filler but otherwise yea I agree. It's got surprisingly few flaws.

>>92239456
The filename doesn't work in my case, I have no clue what the fuck that is.

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>>92239477
yap shitpost

>>92239478
The only episodes in the entire show that were pointless filler were Great Divide and Painted Lady, and only one of those was in Book 3. You're full of shit.

>>92239477
It's not even about my taste, it's about how fucking stupid and illogical your post was you sperg

>>92239507
You keep telling yourself that.

>>92239555
You're the sperg here, anon.

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>>92239371
Looks like you do, friend

>when did that happen
Beginnings

>they learned the style of bending from animals didnt get the bending from them
I'll concede this point, but it doesn't explain how bending became genetic

>it was allays a power up
Funny how Aang, Roku, or Kyoshi ever mentioned Raava until her convenient existence was established

>how is that a bad thing
Take a look at TLAA spirits and get back to me. They looked nothing like that in TLAA. Whether or not you think they look good or not is subjective, though

>thats what a portal is
funny how Aang needed to meditate to get to the spirit world when he was right next to a portal at the North Pole. Also funny how he didn't enter it physically, and Book 1 could've been much shorter if they just used warp cheats

>only 2 can do that and he needed to train all
his life to master it and his brother needed a fullmooon and all 3 are dead
The fact that they can at all is baffling, considering Hama found the technique in the first place

>>92239642
I agree with you, but what in the world is TLAA? The Last Airbending Avatar?

>>92239642
>Beginnings
you mean the gays that are not real air nomads

>>92239698
fuck me, I'm retarded for that. I meant TLA

>>92237407
Nah, the energy bending asspull was lame

In a just world, Aang would have smited his ass upon that rock without remorse

>>92239539

I would argue that Painted Lady isn't entirely filler. It gives us a look at life in the Fire Nation and how the war has effected that town. Still one of the weakest episodes, though.

>>92239206
That's the problem with sequels, somebody always feels like they have to take the source material and amplify, rather than be entirely faithful. Make it bigger!! More explodey!

>>92239846
100% agreed. If they had just kept the era before the Avata a mystery and not introduce Raava and Vaatu, I'd like Korra a little more

>>92239818
Nope, it's entirely filler, because it gives us "a look at" nothing unique whatsoever. You could literally have written a better fanfic with a more interesting village. Compare this to the Headband episode, which is often hated on more (for Kataang), yet delivers info which actually wasn't mentioned anywhere else in the show, about the education system in particular.

Mai/Zuko is retarded (Mai is a tired annoying cliche and Zuko is boring with her) and Toph never made up with her parents. Those are really my two biggest complaints.

>>92240079
Really? Those things bother you more than the unresolved Zuko's mom story?

>>92240104
>>92240079
Got resolved in the comics, I think. In an unsatisfying way, apparently. Also Mai and Zuko split up, so theres that, anons.

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>>92237407
>perfect ending
No. I am sorry, but without Mako it will never be the perfect anything.

>>92237407
I loved the Avatar series, but you clearly made this thread with the intention of starting a fight between people who like it and people who don't. Fuck off.

>>92240079
There are a lot of things unresolved in the story. I think Toph not meeting up with her parents is pretty realistic, many times when somebody runs away or is estranged from their parents at a young age the matter is never settled.

Although personally, and I don't know if you're on board with this, I though that Aang/Katara was messed up. Katara was clearly a big sister figure to him throughout the show, there was little to suggest that they had a romantic interest in one another except for that one episode about the tunnels. It felt really forced and off, like some executive told he writers "THEY HAVE TO END UP TOGETHER IN THE END".

>>92240306
That, and seeing a 13 year old and 15 year old making out isn't what anybody really wants. I wouldn't have minded them just standing close with the implication Katara's feelings had changed somewhat and the future may hold something.

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>>92239043
Avatar is better than most anime.

Most anime is better than Korra.

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>>92240306
Endgame pairings should have been:

Sokka/Toph
Katara/Jet
Mei/Ty Lee
Aang/Zuko

Fight me

>>92240408
Wrong. It should have been Toph's feet/My dick

>>92240213
LOK and the comics are just creator-approved fanfiction, and in any case the Toph's parents plot also got resolved in the comics. And it's been confirmed Zuko and Mai got back together later.

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>>92240408
There's no way to fight you on this, anon. Should have happened.

The Zuko/Aang tension was the only thing remotely close to chemistry in the whole series.

>>92240355
>seeing a 13 year old and 15 year old making out isn't what anybody really wants.
Are you new to /co/?

>>92240487
It's true. We only want to see 14 year olds suffer

>>92240408
>>92240461

Personally, I think Katara/Zuko would have made more sense. Zuko's interest in Aang was always professional, but with Katara there was legitimately something there. IMO:

Zuko/Katara
Sokka/Toph
Aang/No major character (sorry bro)

>>92240510
I UNDERSTOOD THAT REFERENCE

>>92240521
>Aang/No major character (sorry bro)
Seriously, if they were pushing that "monk and his vows" shit so much when he didn't want to kill Ozai, they could have at least been consistent and kept him a celibate

>>92237958
This aligns with my thoughts on it as well. There was a lot of potential that ended up swept away in the end.

>>92237958
>>92241014
There were plenty of things wrong with the show before then, you just didn't notice them because you thought Zutara still had a chance to happen.

I ship Aang/Toph and it makes me sad that I'm the only one.

>>92237407
Fire nation should have won.

>>92237958
The season 2 ending was fine. It was season 3 that dropped the ball, but it was still decent.

>>92241059
Zutara wasn't even mentioned in either post. A lot of the plot threads that were built up in the first two seasons were dropped and the pacing was terrible in the third season. First book wasn't perfect, but it really found its rhythm in the second, so to see the third squander it is disappointing.

>>92241800
>Zutara wasn't even mentioned in either post.
It didn't need to be.
>A lot of the plot threads that were built up in the first two seasons were dropped
A lot of which were terrible to begin with.
>and the pacing was terrible in the third season.
As it mostly was in the first and second.
>First book wasn't perfect, but it really found its rhythm in the second, so to see the third squander it is disappointing.
Book 2 is good but highly overrated. People keep thinking the Ba Sing Se arc was the whole season when it was actually less than half of it, and even that arc had serious writing issues.

>>92241273
That ship literally makes me cringe. Not even Zutara can do that.
>>92241538
It was quite bad, but Book 3's was much worse.

>>92241946
Explain to me then, what was so bad about it? Zuko joining Azula? The chakras? Because I thought those two things were fine.

>>92242001
Both of those things were problematic, but there was so much more. I've talked about what went wrong with Crossroads of Destiny before, if you really want I can maybe try to find the old post.

>>92242086
Nah, I'm good.

>>92242137
Clearly not.

>>92237407
>Now that the dust has settled can we all agree that this is the greatest cartoon ever made and has a perfect ending?
Avatar has always been a mediocre show.

>>92243023
Cartoons have always been mediocre.

Not like obviously superior anime.

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ATLA would've ended greatly if Zuko came back for Pic related instead of Mai.

>>92243351
>ATLA would've ended greatly if Zuko came back for Pic related instead of Mai.
Yeah, I'm sure Zuko hooking up with a literally who would have stopped a rock from unlocking a chakra

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>>92238339

Agreed 100% OP. Flawless show.

>>92238971
>convinced
Goddamn dude I hated Korra by episode 5 well before I ever lurked /co/. It felt exactly like a shallow cash in that failed to understand what made the original great packed in with one of the most annoying protagonists I've ever had the displeasure of viewing.

Fucking trashcan fire of a show. I still love ATLA despite its flaws, but I cannot fathom how anyone could enjoy Korra unless they've been lobotomized.

>>92238971
Korra had enjoyable moments, I actually loved the first and third seasons overall, but in all honesty it is objectively worse. The characters just aren't as good. The ending of season 4 was so awful that it retroactively makes the entire franchise look bad and I can't blame anyone for turning on it. Fuck that Tumblr pandering lesbian shit out of fucking nowhere. It would have been totally fine if there were any basis for it at any point in the rest of the series, but there simply wasn't. And that's just bad writing to push an agenda.

>>92240615
Eh nah, as the last surviving Airbender, he very much had an obligation to continue the bloodline. It would have been full retard if he'd remained celibate, although now that I think about it, would have been neat for the Avatar to be the only airbender and to have an arc about having to learn airbending from scratch because no one is left alive to teach it.

Of course, something as interesting as that would have definitely been mangled in LoK so whatever.

>>92241273
you're not the only one anon

but there are not many of us

>>92244579
He'd have to learn from Appa somehow. That would've been fun.

LoK made the fact that he needed to continue a line of airbenders pointless, yes. They really shot themselves in the foot with harmonic convergence, but I wasn't a fan of the idea that the genocide was so completely thorough on a nomadic culture in the first place. Aang managed to find a herd of sky bison but the idea that absolutely no nomads or their descendants ever turned up either? Disappointing.

>>92239072
AtLA: 9/10
Korra: 6.5/10
It's not terrible but it's certainly not done well. I loved Korras fight scenes though, even if they muddied the bending stances for flailing/modernization. Seeing chi blockers, the Red Lotus, and Kuvira and her army shit on the New Gaang were the highlights of the series.

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>>92239072
>Korra is 8/10
Did you even follow the plot?

>>92237407
Yes, greatest cartoon of all time. I've watched it 3 times now and plan to rewatch it every year. Timeless Classic.

>>92239154
you have to go back
>>>/past/

>>92246460
I want actual video evidence that this happened
>kid prostitutes

>tfw i wanna rewatch the avatar series but my autism would compell me to finish korra as well, and go through the shitty end
it hurts

>>92249458
I haven't rewatched Korra since it aired, it's not that hard.

>>92249499
Did you miss the part about autism compelling me to? I can't ignore a sequel, no matter how terrible it is.

>>92249267

kek

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>>92239206
>every single air nomad now has tattoos instead of just masters
Korra didn't even do that though. The only person who got tattoos was Jinora, and that was after becoming a master.

>instead of people learning from nature/animals
That still happened, webm related. Taking it literally is dumb though because it would mean any nonbender can be a waterbender by looking up at night.

>>92237407
No. There was no reason to take away his bending.

He ends up in jail anyway so Aang just needed to incapacitate him. And right before the Chi bending he literally had his hands and feet locked up in the earth

Bryke just went George Lucus at the end.

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>>92239642
>They looked nothing like that in TLAA.

>>92238971
An obnoxious protagonist, multiple love triangles, literal dues ex machina, and retconning makes the show pretty damn bad

>>92249928
That looks nothing like the kindergarden drawings that turn up in korra

>>92249928
The spirits were animal based which fit the source material

Using that example means you either didn't watch the show or you did and are tying to start a bullshit argument

That spirit was represented by a giant panda. An animal. It only looked they way because it had been angered and it's anger was reflected in its form. Once it was appeased it went back to looking like an animal, like every other spirit in TLA

>>92249930
Don't forget their magnum opus of using amnesia to restart a love triangle

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>>92249967
I can't take you seriously with such a shit opinion.

>>92249983
>The spirits were animal based which fit the source material
99% of them in Korra are still animal-based. Hell, the first spirits that Korra and Jinora encountered when they meditated into the spirit world were animals.

>Using that example means you either didn't watch the show or you did and are tying to start a bullshit argument
Or it means I'm pointing out that at least one ATLA spirit had the Miyazaki look.

>That spirit was represented by a giant panda. An animal. It only looked they way because it had been angered and it's anger was reflected in its form.
No, it's just a form that it can take, and happened to take when it was angry that one time. It can shift into that form if it wants to.

>looking like an animal, like every other spirit in TLA
Oh yeah, and what animal is Koh? He doesn't look like any animal I've ever seen. Sure he has elements of centipedes and millipedes but he's clearly something else entirely. Quite like many spirits in Korra.

The writer of ATLA finale wrote a pretty great MLP episode.

>>92238513
its pretty hard to keep things interesting when you're ranting for an entire hour about a childrens cartoon, using a review format you didnt make

>>92251083

Too bad it's wasted on a show for girls under the age of 8.

>>92248144

Why, was it too hard for you to follow?

>>92237407
fuck off with that perfection shit

>>92237746
I loved the show and I still thought it was a deus ex machina. It was inevitable, though, since you really can't do pacifist characters without them.

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>>92250164
>koh

Talk about wasted potential right there.
>has history with avatars
>creepy as fuck
>pretty much promises that aang and he would meet again
>only mentioned after that in some comic where he is revealed to be a literal motherfucker

>>92253934
The biggest problem with then ending was that the Ozai problem pretty much came out of nowhere.
>pre-black sun invasion=beat up the fire lord, once he has been dealt with everything is gonna be fine
>pre-comet=beat up the fire lord, holy fuck what are we supposed to do once he has been defeated?

Honestly they probably should had started to drop hints of that Gaang has no idea what do with Ozai once he has been defeated way earlier in S3.