>Bucky came back in a better story >Written by a better

Batman

>>92140208
You want to root for Jason Todd. You want to see Bucky fail miserably.

>>92140208
Cap is a fag and Batman is more popular, therefore (since people hate fags and like popular things) Batman-associated things become more popular than fag-associated things

>>92140208
>A famous movie
>A famous video game
>tumblr pandering

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>>92140208
>Jason Todd is more popular somehow.

>>92140287
Bucky had two famous live-action movies and tumblr pandering.

>>92140208
Jason's comeback story is better.

Bucky also lost everything that made him unique.

>>92140208
Bucky and Steve is now part of the gay culture zeitgeist.
Its tainted and a sinking ship even woman are on board.

The have the largest collection of gay porn


Disney should have learned its lesson

One you gave a rat(fags) a cookie he's going to comeback for more.

>>92140208
>Jason Todd is more popular somehow.
Because even if he's only had one good story (inb4 someone mentions current RHatO, yeah its OK). UtRH it's a simple genuinely good story when you cut all the crap like the movie did, and makes you root for the kid who at the end of the day, in a twisted fashion just wants his dad to love him.

>>92140318
Jason is easily more popular than Bucky.

Winter Soldier books don't even last long.

>>92140325
MCU movies are flavour of the week. Jason appeals a lot to incestuous shippers as well as edge fags on tumblr.

>>92140373
>even woman are on board.
"Only women are on board" would be more actual.

>>92140373
This doesn't make sense considering Jason has a lot of gay porn as well.

>Jason/Tim actually passed Jason/Dick

What went wrong?

>>92140596
>Jason/Tim
It's the jock nerd archetype, which is my main problem with it it makes Tim way more of a crying wimp than they ever managed in canon, and Jason far more of a suave fucker than the traumatised spaghetti spiller that he character is in comics.

>>92140596
>Tfw you ship Jason/Dami.
Why me?

>>92140684
Fanon Tim is pretty fucking awful because of that in general.

>>92140596
DC itself paired Jason and Tim during the New 52 to function was an equivalent to Dick/Damian.

Tim practically interacted only with Jason inside the Bat-Family.

>>92140933
As opposed to Canon Tim?
*rimshot*

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>>92140876
mah nigga.

>>92140208
>Jason Todd is more popular somehow.
sorry, but there's is no possible way that's true

>>92143252
I don't think it is due to fujoshits from the MCU Bucky probably wins. They ever shove Jason in a live action then it gets interesting.

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>>92143252
bucky is only popular because of tumblr fags and shippers

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>>92143252
It is.

Also, Red Hood trade just got in the Top 10 best sellers of the month. Winter Soldier + Thunderbolt was canceled due to shit sales.

>>92140383
Here, this is why I think his book is doing better than anything related with Bucky in the last years.

But there are also other reasons: Bucky books has had been pretty weak, and the only times they worked, was when he wasn't the lead character. He does have a personality, a charming one, but is often associated with very weak writers and average to awful pencilers.

I doubt Jason is more popular than him: Bucky is an A lister now thanks to Cap movies. Jason isn't: he's starting to be well known now thanks to the games (and an arguably entertaining animated movie, even it it's now worldwide known). But he's a B-lister at best: only know by comic readers and a bunch of people outside that. Whereas even my mom knows who is the winter soldier (well, she doesn't know his name, but she knows he's Cap's friend).

And this comes from a Jasonfag.

>>92144609

> average to awful pencilers.

up until Zubbolts Bucky had great artists. Marco Rudy and Del Mundo were the ones on his last book!!

>>92143370
>They ever shove Jason in a live action then it gets interesting.
not really because it'll still be a DC movie

>>92144410
no one cares about comics and just wait until Bucky's announced for MvCI

>>92144699
Riiight, I forgot about Del Mundo, goddammit.
I'm sorry, I was wrong about that.

>>92144609
>Bucky is an A lister now
An A-lister than can't sell a book to save his life?

>>92144705
>no one cares about comics
How Marvelfags have fallen.

>>92144699
Despite the quality of Del Mundo and Marco Rudy neither of them where number getters at the time.

>>92144705
>no one cares about comics and just wait until Bucky's announced for MvCI
That's all they have now, syngergy to attract all the normies, thank god MvCI looks like shit and all the normies like Injustice 2 more.

>>92144901
"A lister" means that even someone who doesn't is invested in the original media knows. The matter of him selling books or not is out of question, anon.

Or at least that's what I was told years ago. I don't know if that has changed.

>>92140208
Jason has a cooler costume. That's how it works. Hellboy had two good movies and two good animated films, while Spawn had one shitty film, but Spawn's design appeals more to normalfags so that's why he's more popular.

>>92144993
If Jason Todd sells consistently better than Bucky, he is more popular. Simple as that.

If Bucky is sales poison, he is not A-lister. Few characters are.

Would you say that Sam Wilson is more popular than Dick Grayson?

>>92144609
>Bucky is an A lister
You're retarded. A-Listers can carry series past 30 issues.

>>92145106
If I asked my brother about Falcom and he knows who I'm talking about, yes, definitely.

But if I asked my mother? She sure doesn't know him. So he's at least know for people that casually read and watch movies. Red Hood, on the other hand? I'm well sure he doesn't know him, because when he was starting to play Arkham Knight, I immediately knew what was the think about, while my brother still though every tug was working for the Scarecrow (a character he does know).

Now, if you're talking about popularity only comics wise, yeah, sure, Jason is in his peak at know, while Bucky is way, way down in the list of popular, well know characters.

>>92145260
I already explained why I think he is an a-liter and what I understand that being an a lister means. Which apparently is different from what you people think it means.

>>92145336
>tug
I meant thug. I made a lot of mistakes, but I hope I've got my point across.

>>92145336
If people aren't interested enough in the character to wants to read him, then he isn't popular.

People simply don't want to read Bucky. Put him together with Natasha, or killing aliens in space, or leading the Thunderbolts, and he always fails.

While DC gave awful writers and awful artists to Jason during years and he managed to keep being published during years because people go after him. They dig the character and want to read about him.

Look at how crazily people were demanding him on Injustice. I won't see the same with MvCI and Winter Soldier.

>>92145829
Well, there you have some strong points. I stand corrected, I guess.

I'm going to assume the one that has been in blockbuster movies is more popular than one who's most mainstream exposure is videogames.

>>92146550
You're assuming wrong.

>>92146944
Step out of your comic book bubble /co/.

>>92147030
So, he is more popular than Red Hood, he just isn't popular enough to sell more than Red Hood.

Understood.

>>92146350
You're welcome.

"B-but movies!" can only go so far. Look how Peter Quill, a "movie character", can't sell more than 6 issues. How is that "popular"?

>>92145829
Hell, wasn't Red Hood and Outlaws top 10 in trades this month too?

>>92140208
Bucky is popular because of the MCU but they can't handle him well in comics. Also generally people who liked Bucky in the movies have little to no interest in the comic books themselves.

Red Hood has become more popular with games and generally gamers tend to also have interest in comics as well so Jason Todd is becoming more popular and selling better as his popularity is tied with people who read the comics.

Bucky's popularity is mainly with fan girls who have never read a comic in their life. Same with Quicksilver from the X-men, mass popularity in tumblr and the like but has little traction because he is so vastly different in the comics.

>>92149459
It had six issues? I only remember reading the first one when it was storytimed here. When did the other five come out?

>>92150167
The last issue was published in April. The book was canceled due to terrible sales since day one.

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>>92140208
>movie bucky appeals to casuals
>comic bucky is a literal who and his comics always fail
>jason todd has been part of some very popular comics (including the ones that anons hate)
>had a somewhat successful new 52 run and now has one of the best comics in rebirth
>batman

>>92140208

Batman who kills seems to appeal to a few as well as the whole angsty bullshit

Also the Mask is much more marketable than a metal arm, as the rest of Bucky's gear just looks generic as hell.

>>92146550
The estimate I can find for Civil War bluray sales is under 3mil (same chart didn't have Winter Soldier, cutoff around 2mil) while Arkham Knight broke 5mil, so this is actually not a gimmie. Also somewhat debatable if casuals would remember "Bucky" and "Jason" by name tbqh and not just "that bad guy in x"

What is Bucky doing right now in the comics? Does he know Cap is Hydra?

>>92152985
ded

>>92152985
"Dead"
He got strapped to a rocket.

Jason is connected to the Batman, Robin and Joker brands. Very few can compete with that.

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>>92140208
>Pretty nice comic story
>One of the best animated movies of all time
>Attached to Bat-brand
>Video game feature (although shitty)
>Referenced in almost every DC show (from YJ to TTG)
>Corrects the one moral issue everyone has with Batman
>Design is slick as fuck
>One of the more relatable characters

It's not hard to see, anon. Bucky was a literally who until his MCU movie came out.

>>92153133
>>92153218
What again?! You'd think writers would avoid killing Bucky or Jason again, if only to avoid writing an even worse version of their original deaths.

>>92153556
Red Hood was always more popular but he was B-list easily before the movie.

>>92144705
>no one cares about comics
>is on /co/
Wew lad

It's very strange now that I think about it.

When you talk about which character had the better resurrection, then Bucky wins by a long shot. However when you talk about notable stories and runs then I think Jason definitely has him beat . How many Winter Soldier solo books have we had? (and I'm not including that one mini too.)

Hell the fact that Jason hasn't even been in a live action film yet but he still has so many fans is pretty impressive.

>>92153579
He will probably be back by the end of Secret Empire.

>>92140208
Red Hood has better costume.

>>92154044
The fact that he can remain popular after 6 years under Lobdell is more impressive.

>>92147030
Why? It's either that or movies if you want capeshit, unless you're into reading superhero literature. And don't get me wrong, I'm all for books, but your choices are either Sanderson, Martin, or McCrae. I'm not even gonna mention the weird tranny shit that spawned off of an X-Men fanfic on this board.

>>92155036
>I'm not even gonna mention the weird tranny shit that spawned off of an X-Men fanfic on this board.
I'm sorry, what?

>>92155217
I meant on a blue board. Although I wouldn't put it past /co/ to make a bunch of tranny superheroes.

>>92154044
I consider the BuckyCap era pretty good. After that, honestly, the last time I found him interesting was during Brubaker's Winter Soldier solo.

>>92144410
Well Red Hood and his bootleg trinity is significantly more interesting than Bucky leading a shitty Thunderbolt team with an annoying godlike loli, Never mind the fact that the Red Hood book have superior interior art. Bucky's team book was doomed to fail.

jason is more popular for 2 simple reasons

batfags. batman books ALWAYS sell, even batman C-list villains are popular

and he's punisher lite. normal fags think they're 2deep4u that an ex-robin wants to kill/opposite of his former bat boss

>>92144705
>no one cares about comics
You done fucked up kid, should've used a different word.

>>92150422
They really should've gone with Uniform Quill.

>>92140208
I'm not a super /co/ fags. But Red Hood got better design for me, that's why I know him more.
I'm just not a fan of exposed head on cape.

>>92140208
hes gonna be in the new batman movie along with matt damon as hush

I love Jason because he has a legitimate claim to his anger. His death was caused by his mentors fucking stupid moral code.

>>92158647
His anger come from letting the Joker go even after his death that results something like oracle and everything.
Probably

>>92140208
He's not really all that interesting in the movies. Also his hair is stupid.

>>92149459
The main issue is that even if a character is popular among normalfags, that doesn't actually mean that they're gonna read the comics.

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>>92158928
Not anymore

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>>92159619
>>92159662
Wait what? There's new issue?

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>>92159715
Extended preview

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>>92140208
>Bucky came back in a better story
Hhaha what? Fuck no.
>Written by a better writer
Now this is just bait.
>He became Captain America when Jason Todd became a jobber
See above.
>Was a key character in two extremely successful blockbuster
Winter Soldier was really good. Civil '''''''War'''''''' was shit and he was nothing more than a plot device.
Also Jason has Under the Red Hood animated, which is better than both WS movies.
>Jason Todd is more popular somehow.
-Had a solid death which changed Batman forever.
-Challenges Batman's debatable moral code.
-Great desing and character.
-Great dynamic with BatFam and Outlaws

Comparing Jason to literally a shitty rip-off of him is an insult.

>>92160080
I love Soy's version of Jason so goddamn much

>>92159032
that's not an issue

>>92140208
because he's better?

>>92140248
I go with this explanation

>>92154044
Jason is stubborn even metanarrativeky.

>>92160080
Fuuuuck i need to get back into comics, i stopped buying them when the Agent Venom solo ended. The last time i read his comics was like, Outlaws volume 1

>>92140208
>Bucky came back in a better story
UTRH is far more superior.

Also, Bucky is only liked by fangirls while Jason Todd is liked by both fanboys and fangirls. It's not hard to understand why he became more popular.

>>92160909
>UTRH
The movie is alright. The original story is trash. And if we are comparing movies, TWS is still better than UTRH.

>>92160944
>The movie is alright
It's legit one of the best superhero movies ever.

Also, UTRH movie was ABOUT Jason while WS was more about Steve and Bucky was just a plot device. Heck, many people asked who the heck is Bucky when CW trailers came out.

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>>92144705
>no one cares about comics

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>>92160095
>>Bucky came back in a better story
>Hhaha what? Fuck no.
>>Written by a better writer
>Now this is just bait.
>>He became Captain America when Jason Todd became a jobber
>See above.

>>92160095
What the fuck are you talking about anon? Brubakers Captain America is so much better than Winick's Batman that it's not even funny.

Do you read comics?

Bucky is a popular character that Marvel has no idea how to pander. They either shoot him off into space with 0 interaction with characters people enjoy him with, written on some bizarre drug trip and falling in love with some rando blue oc, or they put him in a team book with a terrible artist that makes it hard to get past. People WANT to read Bucky but Marvel does everything in its power not to deliver a decent book for him.

And just as he's being built up into the main storyline again instead of sidelined, they "kill" him off for the majority of the event.

People who like Bucky like him in stories with other Cap characters.

>>92160095
>implying Winick is a better writer than Brubaker
>implying Winick is a good writer at all
I'm done with this board, its taste grows worse with each year.

>>92161099
>It's legit one of the best superhero movies ever.
It's mediocre sappy flick where the only good quality is voice acting.

>>92163030
Bucky got a bigger and more push from Marvel than Jason ever got from DC and this is a fact. DC actually almost destroyed him couple of times, but he was still able to become more popular.

Jason just has more appeal with fans than Bucky.

>>92163224
Stay mad.

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>>92140596
>Jason/Tim
>Jason/Dick
>Jason/Roy
>Jason/Bruce

Why the fuck are all his popular gay ships so fucking awful compared to the rest of the other dudes in the Batfam despite being arguably the best/second best looking? All of them get fucking God-tier husbandos; Bruce gets Clark and sometimes Hal, Dick gets Slade and Midnighter, even fucking Tim gets Kon and sometimes Bart. Fuck, even fucking Damian, a goddamned midget 13 year old with a stupidly shaped head gets Jon, who's still better than Roy.

>>92163401
>U LE MAD XD
That's the intellectual capacity of someone who thinks Judd Winick is a good writer.

>>92163761
>no Jason/Bizzaro

>>92163875
>all of the Batboys except Dick get a Super (unless you count Kara)
>Jason gets the literal retard one

W O R S T
G A Y
S H I P S

>>92140208
Jason has legit fans and a following from comics and vidoegames

While bucky has faggots and women who draws gay porn of him and steve

Jason has more substance

>>92140208
Bucky and Steve is the number 1 most drawn gay porn in tumblr.

While Jason has an ongoing team in rebirth

>>92163875
Stop being disgusting, anon. Bizarro is pretty much his kid.

>>92163898
Jason got Kara actually.

They're both shit characters and the vast majority of people that like them don't read comics in general.

Bucky is popular because of movies, Jason is popular because of videogames and animated movies. Neither of them can really stand on their own though. People like Jason because he's edgy Batman with guns/is connected to the Batuniverse and people like Bucky because they like to fantasize about him fucking Steve/"dude he's got a metal arm so cool just like Terminator xDD".

>>92164158
>because they like to fantasize about him fucking Steve

This, sadly

>>92164158
>Neither of them can really stand on their own though
TOP 100 GRAPHIC NOVELS
Based on Total Unit Sales of Products Invoiced in April 2017
> 10. RED HOOD & THE OUTLAWS TP VOL 01 DARK TRINITY (DC)

Not to mention 40+ books in New52

>>92164158
Jason has been carrying a book since 2011 with two minis despite the fact that DC is giving a zero push.

>>92140208
>Jason Todd is more popular somehow
He is the the better character with a massive following while only shippers cares about Bucky. It doesn't need a genius to figure out why.

>>92153556
I'd say him always being referenced and never seen in popular media helps him, too?

Like as i was just getting into Comic stories of Batman and such coming from the DCAU, learning there was a Robin who died that was never shown in B:TAS or referenced made me curious.

So after being shown in the memorial sanctum in YJ and BvS confirmed to have had it's own Death in the Family, he's more exposed, and typically the more casual fan would likely line themselves up to watch Under the Red Hood which was a pretty fantastic story.

They kind of get all the best of Jason Todd, and none of the cringey angry edgelord we got in the comics until now.

>>92153556
>Design is slick as fuck
This is so true until someone like Rocafort tries to give the helmet a motherfucking mouth. The original design like in your picture is A+ grade.

>>92164209
>>92164303
If he wasn't connected to Batman/part of the Batfamily he wouldn't be able to do that and you know it. That's why I said they're not "their own characters".

Both Bucky and Jason are connected to a much bigger character than them (Cap and Batman respectively) and nobody would give a rats ass about them otherwise.

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>>92164222
thank you

>these morons actually think comics matter

>>92164508
>If he wasn't connected to Batman/part of the Batfamily he wouldn't be able to do that and you know it
What kind of stupid logic is that? Being connected to Batman definitely give him a exposure, but it's not the reason why people cares about him. People like him for himself and most of them don't even care about the batfamily.

I give you Bucky because only shippers cares about him and this >>92164525 is a proof of that.

>people now pretend that Buckycap was bad
>people now pretend that Brubaker's Bucky never had a decent fanbase and the only reason people care about him is MCU

>>92164525
I agree.
Sadly tumblr, pixiv gay porn matters more

>>92164828
They are not as popular

>>92164525
Too bad Marvel thinks the same about good storytelling.

>>92164828
>the only reason people care about him is MCU
Literally only shippers cares about him because of their fanfictions.

He is become more known thanks to MCU, but it's not right to say he is more popular. My little brother is fan of mcu and he was even like "wait, who is Bucky again?" while we were watching CW.

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I'd take popularity because of videogames, rather than popularity because of gay porn anyday

>>92164837
Not really.

Shippers are fickle and they will interest once Evans stop playing Steve.

>>92165060
They have 3 movies to hold on to

And just ship bucky to whoever they will recast cap with

>>92165267
Shippers are fickle, anon. They don't care about Bucky personally and only cares about their fantasy.

Shippers don't matter if Marvel can't earn money from them and no one can take Bucky seriously if they are the only ones who cares about him.

>>92164222
>just looking up 'Bucky' and not at least fucking 'Bucky Barnes'

I know there'll still be more results for him but this was retarded

>>92165344
>Marvel can't earn money from them
all those billions at the box office say otherwise

Because he's a better character from a better company

>>92165393
Are you seriously that dumb? Do you seriously believe that MCU earned billions because of them?

>>92165393
>Not sure if idiot or just trolling.

>>92165431
>>92165441
#givecapaboyfriend trended worldwide and made news for a reason

>>92165468
Oh my god, you are really that dumb.

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>>92165387
Not him, but I did one where they're both search terms and one where it's the character specifically. They're about what I expected when it comes to related queries.
https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?q=bucky%20barnes,jason%20todd
https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?q=%2Fm%2F058n_m,%2Fm%2F04msxp

>>92165468
.......

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>>92165503
>b-but shippers matter!

>>92165387
>>92165554
no one calls him "Bucky Barnes"

>>92165554
So, Bucky only got a boost in 2014 and 2016 thanks to WS and CW and people lost interest in him quickly after that.

I guess that settle it, Jason Todd is more popular.

>>92165579
Excuses.

>>92165579
Here's one where they're named Winter Soldier and Red Hood.
https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?q=winter%20soldier,red%20hood

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>>92165606
Man, I guess people weren't exaggerating when they said that he is the most popular Robin.

>>92167214
The most popular Robin as Robin is obviously Dick. But Jason is generally the most popular Batboy among normies (Dick is obviously still more popular among comic readers given his sales).

>>92140325
2Bfair..no one cares about Marvel movies a month after they are released

and comics appeal to people with obsesses compulsive disorders

>>92140248
/thread

>>92167214
Poor Tim.

Dick needs to watch out because Damian seems to generate more interest in him.

>>92167411

Not really. Each Robin is aimed at a different audience except Tim he actually could get replaced by Damian.

>>92167411
It doesn't suprise me. People have been only praising Nightwing current arc because of Damian.

>>92167214
Can you do a one about Batman and Spider-Man?

>>92140208
>>Was a key character in two extremely successful blockbuster
>>Jason Todd is more popular somehow.
Because Jason Todd was in MUH ARKHUM GAMEZ. And more kids play video games than watch movie, I think that's obvious by now.
Plus many people think Cap is 'too cheesy' and 'not muh serious Batman'. To their credit, a guy dressing up like an American flag does look somewhat jarring.

>>92167677
>To their credit, a guy dressing up like an American flag does look somewhat jarring.
does look somewhat jarring in the rest of the world*

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>>92167623
With and without hyphen.

>>92164622
Best wording of what I'm trying to say.

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>>92167819
Batman is the world's most popular superhero.

Superman is also not doing bad.

now someone do Bucky vs Jason

>>92168041
It already exist, Jason lose.
I forget who made it, and what media it display.

>>92167819
>>92168024
Man, I really have overstatement Spider-Man.

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>>92168103
He actually didn't. See this >>92165554

>>92168149
Not in term of popularity, fighting scenario.

>>92168199
My bad.

>>92168199
I looked it up. The two popular ones were Nightwing vs Winter Soldier and Red Hood vs Punisher.

>>92168103
>>92168131
no just the words "Bucky" and "Jason"

>>92168347
Fuck off, we done discussing this.

>>92168347
https://trends.google.com/trends/
Have at it.

>Jason finally getting over his trauma and fucking Artemis

The good guys win sometimes.

>>92165579
It makes sense to use his full name though to avoid having the results include names or characters like Bucky O'hare or the fact that lots of people name their dogs Bucky.

>>92168131
>was the April high thing because of the movie or something else ?

>>92168733
>Bucky O'hare
yeah because he's a popular guy

>the fact that lots of people name their dogs Bucky.
because of how popular the character is

>>92168131
because other than that all I can see is the red is the most stable in rising up

so we all agree that bruce loves jason the most and jason will forever remain oblivious to it right?

>>92155667
Oh same here man but, and I say this as someone who likes Bucky, the character can't really carry a series post Brubaker.

>>92170775
Yes. Even Bruce knows Jason is best boy.

>>92164471
>>92153556
This. Jason has a goat design. Not that hard to see why people like him.