Why don't normal guys with sniper rifles just kill the 99%

Because cape comics are dumb

>>92064864
do you really want to take the chance of missing the first shot and having a pissed off batman come after you

>>92066019
This
>>92064864
Plot Armor
>>92066059
If not a bullet, an ATGM. If not an ATGM, an IED, or artillery, or something more sophisticated than punching a bad guy into jail

>>92066059

>missing

You probably wouldn't own a sniper rifle and be using it to murder people in the first place if you were a bad shot. You're just sitting there far away from the target anyway, so you have all the time in the world to get your shit together before firing.

>>92064864
>Sniper rifle.

>>92066183

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sniper_rifle

Why doesn't The Joker just nuke Batman?

Because street-level heroes tend to favor stealth and street fighting. Daredevil isn't going to get caught unaware given that he fights guys like fucking Bullseye. Besides, how many heroes susceptible to bullets just hang around out in the open waiting for somebody to shoot them?

Higher than that and you have organizations with robots and radiation monsters and alien gods. Best not to fuck with them.

>>92064864
Because then they would have to deal with the rest of the batfamily, an some of those mother fuckers have no problem with murdering the shit out someone.

>>92064864
because they have secret identities. The sniper would have to plan a big battle out in the open and wait till the hero got there

>>92064864
>hitman assassinating all capes weak to bullets
How long would he have until one of the big players notices his friends are missing and gets pissed?

>>92064864
Unlike you, people in-universe actually have brains. It's a simple concept called escalation.

Sure, you may manage to kill off Batman, but everyone he knows will come down on you. That's his protegees, the GCPD, and especially the JLA (people with actual superpowers), not to mention anyone else who respected the man. And sure, some of them may die in the crossfire, but someone's eventually going to take you down. After all, you're not invincible either. You're just a jackass with a sniper rifle, and you've got the entire superhero community and then some on your ass. Same goes for a lot of heroes in a lot of universes.

All that fucking carnage, just because you wanted to stroke your ego and kill a cape. Doesn't sound too appetizing now, does it?

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>>92066571

>>92064864

In Batman's case, that plan is perfectly sound, but only on the chance you manage to: A) Have Batman respond instead of the cops B) Spot Batman before he spots you C) Hit a less bullet resistant portion of Batman's suit knock him out of the game for a proper follow-up if needed.

The problem is when you start getting into very densely populated superhero zones like Marvel's New York to carry on that kind of trend, where there are like 10 supers every fucking block that will beeline for your ass the second they hear the snap of a bullet and beat your shit into ground beef. If it starts to become a trend, you can expect your actual superpowered heroes to stop acting like heroes and more like trigger-happy vigilantes that will pulp anyone that looks at them sideways.

>>92066614
That was a good episode

>>92064864
Even if you hate "preptime Batman", him having plans against and being on the lookout for such an obvious attack is kind of a given.

Like the idea of someone trying to kill him far away is something that probably occurred to him.

>>92066637
The idea is dead in the water when you just take into consideration all the shit an actual sniper would need to at 800 meters out.

Vantage point, wind conditions, humidity, target actually showing up, target being in your line of sight, line of sight not being blocked by fuck knowns what. to just list off some obvious problems.

Why doesn't a sniper just kill off human heroes? Same reason most militaries/governments don't use snipers for assassination missions. They're a bitch to plan, nearly impossible to execute, open to a million different problems, and there are a million more efficient means of doing it.

>>92066125
>If not a bullet, an ATGM. If not an ATGM, an IED, or artillery, or something more sophisticated than punching a bad guy into jail

Against one of the world's greatest tacticians with virtually unlimited resources who spends every free moment planning for exactly these kinds of attacks?

Good luck.

>>92066767
This. The idea that snipers are wizards who can instant kill any time is dumber than capeshit.

Not to mention you're trying to do all this in a giant city crowded with buildings and vehicles against a target who constantly trains for combat situations.

>>92066729

>Like the idea of someone trying to kill him far away is something that probably occurred to him.

He's been taken by surprise in the past more than once by one random villain just hitting up from behind. If a guy can knock out Batman with his fist, I'm pretty sure a high powered rifle bullet can kill him. And if a guy can take him by surprise just by hitting him from behind, then a bullet can definitely get to him long before he has a chance to do something about it.

>>92064864
They wouldn't be fun, so it wouldn't sell. People who do think it would be fun have Ennis stuff they can read.

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>>92066767
>>92066822

>Snipers can't reliably kill peo-

>>92066827
I've always thought that if for some reason DC decided to end Batman's story, really end it once and for all, it should be by some random punk getting lucky one day when Batman gets just a little too old and slow.

>>92066875
No one said they can't kill people. Snipers do exist, after all. They're just not the magicians OP seems to think they are. The story you link is so amazing precisely BECAUSE sniping reliably is rare and someone like that guy are astonishing anomalies.

Batman has defeated Deadshot, canonically the best sniper in the DCU. Unless the story just has him be dumb to make it work, he's not going down that way.

>>92066154
You do realize how difficult long distance shooting is right? You have to think about bullet drop, windage, and if the distance is long enough, you need to account for the curviture of the earth.

Confirmed for never firing a rifle in his life.

>>92066875
Except Simo wasn't shooting people from 800 meters out. He was picking them off in conditions that helped him evade capture, hide, and ambushing targets who did not expect anyone to be there.

Sniper's are reliable when the conditions and planning all lines up. It's why they're typically stuck in a single location for days at a time waiting for the target in areas where them being discovered is incredibly unlikely.

You know what type of environment doesn't meet that condition? Cities.

>>92067004

You can be a lot closer than the maximum reliable range.

>>92066875
The wild success of one Finnish savant doesn't mean his methods are practical for all situations. Keep masturbating to him, by all means, but you're no different from people claiming that Batman's prep time can't be beaten.

>>92067058
The person I replied to inferred that they would be a great distance from the target.

>>92066637
>>92066822

... which is probably exactly why the OP stipulated that there would be a setup to lure out someone in the first place, that would imply preparations were made to ensure the best possible conditions to hit the target, pretty much exactly what you said would go into the consideration of going after the target.

No one is saying that snipers are magic instant kill magicians. Folks like Batman have been blindsided a bunch of fucking times, so a well-prepared gunman getting a good shot in isn't an unfounded prospect, even if it is unlikely. All the training in the world can immediately go to shit simply because you're caught in circumstances out of your control.

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>>92067047

>You can't camp out in the sixth floor of a book depository for long periods of time in a city

???

>>92067122
>caught in circumstances out of your control.

>implying this could happen to Batgod

>>92067122
Trouble is finding those sorts of conditions inside of a city. I mean just the bank heist scenario only works under the context that Batman for whatever reason shows up in the targets line of sight.

So right off the bat your plan is dependent on the target using 1 of several possible entrances/exits. Already you're working off some pretty shit odds before even setting up the rifle.

>>92067047

>You know what type of environment doesn't meet that condition? Cities.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D.C._sniper_attacks

>>92064864
>Killing Superman's best friend.
>Killing one of the few men Wonder Woman holds in high esteem.
>Killing a man with several highly trained children, some of whom having no qualms about killing with Bruce being the only thing that stopped them to begin with.

You'd literally need to be insane or stupid to attempt this.

>>92067219
Works great when you don't care who the target is. but that's not what were doing here. We're after one man.

>>92067186
A clueless, uncovered, unprotected fellow sitting atop a slow-moving vehicle traveling along an open, well-lit and pre-determined path.

or

A literal ninja trained in urban combat wearing dark body-armor and moving quickly through a dense cityscape at night.

>>92067186
>For the first four attempts, the firers missed the second shot at 240 feet (73 m) by several inches. Five of the six shots hit the third target at 265 feet (81 m), the distance of President Kennedy from the sixth floor window when he was struck in the head.

>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_F._Kennedy_assassination_rifle

Not to mention Kennedy was in a slow-moving vehicle going along a straight, set route out in the open.

OP is talking about hitting the world's greatest ninja tactician at 10 times the distance in a city 10x larger and denser than Dallas, at night.

>>92067186
>implying Secret Service prior to Kennedy was anything like it is today.

>implying Oswald was even the shooter

>implying a shot was even fired from the depository

>>92067261

Lee Harvey Oswald wasn't very good at shooting guns. That's irrelevant to the point.

>>92067289
But it is the point. The kind of sniping ability to do what OP is talking about may not even exist. If it does it's going to be incredibly rare, like someone on Deadshot's level. Who Batman has repeatedly beaten.

A guy can't just pick up a sniper riffle and do what OP is talking about.

>>92064864
>applying logic to comics
Look, I know everyone says this, but just because it's trite doesn't mean it isn't true. Ultimately, they are meant to entertain you. Would you be entertained if a robber shot your favourite hero and the series ended in the second issue?
I understand where you're coming from, but just suspend your disbelief man. They're picture books for teenagers

>>92067332

>The kind of sniping ability to do what OP is talking about may not even exist. If it does it's going to be incredibly rare

No, you're imagining it has to be one person who's perfect instead of ten people on separate occasions who aren't perfect with one who gets the shot in. Just because 100% of snipers don't succeed doesn't make this an unlikely cause of Batman's death eventually.

>>92064864
>mary sue:the story
>wondering why only mary sues can threaten other mary sues

Fuck Batman, the Joker should be already long dead, offed by determinated grieving redneck or overly zealous cop.

The point is that capeshit has no stable logic or reason, it all happens just because. In real world heroes and villains would be probably at one point set as prey for a manhunt, either by rivaling baddies/goodies or gobberments that came to idea that maybe letting United States of 'muh daymucracy" America having possible supersoldiers is bad idea.

>>92067427
You have to be perfect because you're trying to kill Batman. He is perfect, so you must be perfect to defeat him.

>>92067508
This is basically the premise of Watchmen, which was Moore's point.

>>92064864
Doesn't Batman have sensors in his mask and have been shown multiple times to be able to dodge gunfire at close range?

Sniping is extremely difficult in the best of conditions, middle of a city is not best of conditions. Also, once Batman knows the sniper is there, the chance of hitting him goes straight to zero, and once Batman gets to the sniper, the chance of his arm recovering to the point of holding a gun steady again also goes straight to zero.

Why doesn't someone try rolling Batman up in a carpet and throwing him off a bridge?

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>Frank

>>92067647
>sending one of the worse assassins in the universe up against the best escape artist

yeah that will work.

>>92067692

The real world's greatest escape artist died because a random stranger took him by surprise and punched him in the gut.

>>92066154
doesn't deadshot usually snipe at batman ?

>>92064864
Stop posting this thread. Once a week is more than enough.

>>92067765
Didn't Houdini let that guy punch him in the gut?

>>92067821

No.

>>92064864
Because Bullets suck in fiction. It's one of those weird cases where something actually functions less well in fiction than reality.

Cars can plow through phone poles and trees like they're nothing, swords will never ever break or need sharpening, no matter how many times you overswing and wack it on a rock.

But Guns will jam the moment you get them even damp, and bullets can be stopped by a car door, and any amount of Kevlar will make you completely invulnerable.

>>92067827
>>92067821
>>92067765
Apparently Houdini had a habit of challenging people to punch him in the gut to prove how tough he was. Some kid took him by surprise, though, and he wasn't able to brace for the impact like he normally did.

>>92067827
Maybe.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Houdini#Death

A guy came into his dressing room and asked asked Houdini if he could indeed withstand any blow to the abdomen, as the magician had previously proclaimed. Harry responded that he could, if given time to brace himself, at which point Whitehead hit Houdini four times in the abdomen, under the impression that Houdini had indeed braced himself for the blows.

He was in great pain for days and later died, but it's unclear if the unexpected punches were what caused his death.

>>92067803

Post two archived threads from the past month that ask about sniping Batman or stop making shit up.

I know Batman is the running example here because he's the most well-known non-meta superhero, but we need to consider this 'in-universe' because we as readers are certainly privy to more information about these characters.

Regardless of all the aforementioned conditions and careful, foolproof planning necessary for pulling of a successful killshot -- and essentially OUTPREPTIMING Batman -- what is considered 'public knowledge' about Batman, for lack of a better term?

Never mind the real answer to OP's specific pitch: Because the story idea isn't compelling enough, nor is it feasible enough for a skilled writer to craft within the editorial confines of a shared universe. Even as a standalone Elseworlds title, you'll have a hard time selling a story in which Batman getting snuffed by a sniper is the setup.

>>92067983
Morrison's run featured Damian being set up to seemingly be taken out by a rocket-propelled sniper bullet from across the city.

A lot of heretics against the Batgod in here.

Be glad that He is merciful and just.