White characters >Hello I am a character Black Character

might just be a reflection of reality. People have no interest in me as a person but they will completely buy all the "native" bullshit I peddle to gauge their reactions.

>>92031255
No one would care about natives if it wasn't for spirit power

well niggers in media used to all be cool negro guys but now are more normal.

>>92031255
Because if you do a Native American character that doesn't have obvious Lakota/Cherokee/Cheyenne/Chippewa/Pueblo/whatever ethnic traits, then it will be assumed to just be a Mexican.

>>92031329
sad but true

>>92031313

Maybe they're just trying to be polite (and failing).

because modern native americans don't exist? Black people got some culture of their own, native americans still seem to live in tents, have long hair and wear blankets

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Native americans are literally just slavs in all but blood.

Think about it.

>>92031342
Kinda miss the cool negro guys desu.

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>>92031255
Maybe try reading something else instead of capeshit once, brother bear.

>>92031652
>because modern native americans don't exist?

I live next to a reservation and would like to personally tell you that you're full of shit and should leave your house and go outside sometime.

>>92032020
not everyone on this fucking planet lives in murrica
I didn't even know native americans still existed if it wasn't for that Dakota Pipeline shit that went down

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>>92031255

i dont care cuz im latino, how about if we make some hard caliente love.

take care some bastard childrens and join a gang cuz thats what we do.

i dont forget the tacos...

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What makes the red man red, /co/?

>>92032266
The color of his skin. That's a fucking dumb question.

>>92031255
I miss Equinox. Or rather, I wish Equinox had a chance to be in something else after Justice League United.

And yes, I know she's Canadian, not American, but where the fuck else am I gonna get a chance to bring her up?

>>92031757
I thought about it and don't get it. Please elaborate.

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People can complain about representation all they want, but when this guy is the only Native character, and race swapped from a white guy originally, to show up in a superhero movie, it says a lot. Wonder Woman has a native guy appearing in it but according to the leaks, it apparently a small role and he doesn't do much.

>>92031255
This isn't just restricted to ethnicity.

Essentially, the more foreign you are to the average American, the more likely you are to be a stereotype.

Russian? COMRADE VODKA MAN OF STEEL BIG GUY, SECOND NAME PROBABLY RASPUTIN.

It's just easier for bad writers to do this. It happens with locations, too. Set something in Ireland and it'll all be pastoral fields and country roads and hilly pastures. Set something in Germany and it'll look like a scenic town built by the Seven fucking Dwarves. Americans aren't really familiar with anywhere but America, and it's easier to fall back on what you know from old cartoons and random stereotypes than to actually do any research.

>>92032678
>Set something in Germany and it'll look like a scenic town built by the Seven fucking Dwarves

>set something in Germany and nazi nazi nazi nazi nazi nazi

ftfy

It took blacks a while before whitey made them more than "wat up muggafugga".

And a lot of icons helped, Eddie Murphy, Michael Jackson, Bill Cosby, etc. they all helped to show white people in the 70s+ that blacks are actually people. Eventually the steriotypes died down. Latinos and Mongols aren't quite there yet.

>>92032832
>It took blacks a while before whitey made them more than

>Yas suh, I be gett'n dat fo yah rie nah

>>92032883
I mean the perseption changed, I didn't say stereotypes stoped.

Your average Ghetto nigger is as much of a nigger as he was in the 60s.

>>92031372
This is accurate.
I am not Mexican and none of my family is Mexican and I'm actually a Coastal Salish which is sort of in the opposite direction of Mexico, but people THINK I'm Mexican all the freakin' time.
It's like how white people think people from India look middle-Eastern somehow.

>>92032266
Dunno, I'm really more of a tannish.
Don't even have a weird name or anything, though that'a kinda cause names don't mean the same thing in Salish language or so I was told.

>>92032958
I mean there was a long period of time before blacks in movies were anything but borderline retarded docile servants. They had to work up to ghetto stereotype.

>>92033086
At least other brown people started higher, Mexicans with Sombrero Taco Tequila is better than monkey butler. And both are better than le bomb man from Mudslimes.

>>92033126
I really think the first middle eastern person I can remember from a movie was the terrorist from "True Lies".

>>92033031
>>92033081
I genuinely mean no offense, but can you even really CALL white people "white people"? Coastal Salish integrated fairly early didn't they? Less bloody massacres by famous American military generals and no Trails of Tears?

>>92031313
People are just to afraid to call bullshit on it and get called a racist/insensitive.

>>92031255
>Natives spiritposting into 4chan to trick the White Man into thinking they don't have mystical powers
I am onto you!

do native americans still exist?

>>92033031
>>92033081
do you get triggered by native american stereotypes in media?

>>92033192
We did, but we still have a noticeably more swarthy complextion in most cases. Like I said, I'm tanned enough to be frequently mistaken for Mexican and once by an almost unbelievably stupid redneck in Tacoma to be a Middle-easterner.

>>92033226
Why, yes, yes they do.

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>>92033226
I feel like I should laugh at how silly this question is but it actually just makes me depressed.

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>>92032678
>Russian? COMRADE VODKA MAN OF STEEL BIG GUY, SECOND NAME PROBABLY RASPUTIN.
And what exactly is inaccurate about this?

>>92031255
White's are just jealous that we don't have inherent mystical/spiritual powers as a cultural heritage.

>>92033217
WHITE MAN FEAR THE SPIRIT-SOUL POWER OF WINDOWS 10!!
>>92033226
Yes.
>>92033235
Hah. No.
See, it's not like we're all one culture or anything. Example; Coastal Salish did the totem pole art thing, but a lot of the Native cultures that are portrayed in the media didn't really do that at all. We mostly fished and traded and owned land exactly like white settlers did, so we sort of had more in common then say, Apache or Iroiqoius Confederacy tribes did.
We also didn't really preserve our language because a lot of it has to do with names and you'd pick different names when you got different jobs in the tribe or so I hear, so we ended up adopting Christian names cause it was easier to make white folks understand us if we just had the one.
I've MET a few guys on reservations in Arizona, and I didn't like them much. They honestly DID frequently have crappy jobs and fit into dumb stereotypes a lot.

Meanwhile I get free healthcare, good education, decent college, and a job from MY tribal affiliation.

>>92033031
Well, mexicans are native americans.
Just less of the tomahawk bow and arrow ones, and more of the temple heart ripping ones.

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>>92031255
You just have to be patient and wait for Disney to get around to making their live action version of Pocahontas. That's when you need to make your push for proper and equal representation. Maybe they'll make Nakoma a lesbian.

>>92033416
About HALF of Mexicans are Native.
The other half are Europeans.
Which I guess is a way larger ratio then up here, but I dunno, maybe Spanish guys like fucking way more then British people did?

>>92033442
>implying Disney will ever touch Pocahontas again

>>92033416
>less of the tomahawk bow and arrow ones, and more of the temple heart ripping ones.


And suddenly I found myself supporting Trump.

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>>92033503
I'd touch her again.

>>92033323
Look at that picture and tell me that it was racist of Columbus to think they where Indians. I fucking dare you!

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There's always American Eagle. Bad ass, Take no crap attitude, and his powers aren't magical at all. Too bad no one at Marvel remembers he exists

>>92033504
Don't lie, you were a meme loving fuck from the beggining

>>92033411
you sound interesting, I wish I was interesting

>>92033541
Indians from India are a lot more darker. They also dressed differently and spoke differently, but Columbus probably never met an actual Indian before.

>>92033541
Well, they are indians, just not the one he was looking for.

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Fun fact. In 1995, this guy's backstory was "history professor who can do magic because he studied"

In 2011, his backstory is "Has been alive since the white man came and just lives on the reservation doing what spirit animals tell him to do"

>>92033416
>Just less of the tomahawk bow and arrow ones, and more of the temple heart ripping ones.
>temple heart ripping ones became the beheading ones
Mexico jus never had a chance of not being a shithole, had it?

>>92033541
We don't look alike dude.
Red is not the same thing is brown, and straight is not the same thing as curly. Colombus was just a ridiculous idiot.
>>92033564
I remember when he showed up in that one issue and beat the fuck out of Bullseye. I like it when comics show that "popular" and "well-known" is not the same thing as "powerful" and "competent".
>>92033599
Interesting isn't hard to be.
You just need to not be boring.
I mean; my name is Ben. That's a fucking boring name.
>>92033678
More to it then that.
Like for example, did you know that Aztec culture had been on the DECLINE for the last hundred years when the Spanish arrived? A huge plague and cut through them (and much of the other North American people's) and really caused a lot of problems.
Since their religion said stuff like "kill people to appease the gods when shit gets rough", they kept DOING it.

>>92033678
I prefer the heart ripping.
I mean beheading, anyone can do that, hell, even the french can do it.
But going kalima on someone's ass, that takes style.

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>>92033599
>Look white
>Have Aztec, Cuban, Scotish, Japanese, and Spaniard ancestry
>tfw
Apparently my grandpa inherited a genuine Conquistador sword from his grandpa, but it's either somewhere in Cuba, stolen, sold to someone else, or nonexistent

I wonder if the whole "spirit animal" thing and native dress style, is sort of the same to them as "magical runes" and looking like a Viking, are to me as a Scandinavian.
I don't really mind it, I honestly find it hilarious every time it gets brought up.

>>92033779
I inherited a genuine gun that was used on Japanese people, but it doesn't work anymore. Or maybe it does, I dunno.

>>92033677
I can barely remember the story to UMK3, but I'm almost positive that's bullshit.

>>92033799
If you think it's silly and ridiculous and it makes you shake your head and think "fuckin' Americans man" in a not-condescending but vaguely find way, then yes, it is exactly like that.

Though it's weird for me thinking that, because being both largely Caucasian and Native mixed, I'm like a Double American.

>>92031255
stereotypes happen as a way to describe cultures

>>92033580
Honestly I was one of the people that didn't and still don't give a fuck either way. I fall into that category of people that doesn't trust career politicians or businessmen on principle. And those are the only types that run for president anyway.I voted for Jill Stien Yes I think her views on inoculations are crazy.

>>92033752
Didn't the other tribes also hated the guts of the Aztecs because of the whole sacrifice thing and jumped at the first chance they got to stick it to them when the Spaniards arrived?

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There's also Portal, aka Charles Little Sky. He's a Mutant that can open up portals to other places like America Chavez, and he also has a knock off version of Darkhawk's suit that has all his tech. No Magic to be found. Why don't we have a solo for this guy instead of Chavez again? Or at least a team up? anything would be better that Chavez

>>92033677, >>92033813
It's funny to think of, but Native stuff was "cool" in the 90's and you saw lots of it in TV and comics and shit like that.
It was mostly the Southwestern tribal reservation-type stuff mind you, but during that period they showed up a bunch on TV and video games and comic books.

>>92033849
Good to know that I'm not the only one who can see the funny side in such things.
Also,
>Double American
Sounds like the name to a shitty, but funny action movie.

>>92033913
Not the sacrifice thing, but because Aztecs even when they were more mellow were a very expansionist and aggressive tribal group. They had a whole warrior culture thing going on, and warrior cultures love to find reasons to get their war on.

I think that's kinda why Americans ostracize their own military guys actually; getting the war on is expensive and time-consuming (especially in modern day), so if you treat soldiers like disposable garbage and replace them as often as possible and don't give them good jobs or health care then they form their own little sub-culture by reflex, and sub-cultures are easy to safely ignore.
I notice other modern cultures where military service large, common, and is more tightly integrated with everyone else in society tend to be a little bit more aggressive. Israel, for example.

>>92033541
The nose and eyes are too different

>>92033918
I would have thought he was a ninja if it wasn't for his name.

>>92033564
He was going to be in Occupy Avengers, but was swapped for Red Wolf because Editorial went "All Natives are the same. Push this guy".

>>92031255
>Watching a 50's era western
>"Da comanchees r atacken"
>"Da apachees r atacken"
>"Deys takin our wimmin n chillun"
>"Da injuns r scalpen our soljurs"
>"AIAIAIAIAIAIAIAIAIAIAI"

>>92034011
>Good to know that I'm not the only one who can see the funny side in such things.
I'm sure SOME people get offended, just not me.
>Sounds like the name to a shitty, but funny action movie.
I know, right?
>>92034061
Red Wolf was cool and decently written, but American Eagle was WAY cooler.

>>92034086
Funny thing; the 1950's and 1960's were when the USA was at it's greatest economic, technological, and political power, but you really only ever benfitted from it if you were white and a significant portion of the country was STILL not.

It was just easier to ignore us because television was brand new and shit.

>>92034086
What are all these attack helicopters doing in a 50's western?

>>92031255
Man of Bats was pretty good in Morrison's Bat Epic. It really helped that he knew how to write an activist character without them being preachy, probably since his dad was one.

I enjoyed 52 Superchief's dickassery.

I know Rainmaker exists but know jack about her.

>>92033913
>>92034041
The gods told the aztecs that if they changed their name, they would one day rule the world and that basically everyone on the planet existed to serve them.
You can see why these rubbed other people the wrong way.

>>92034169
As a European is astonished me to learn how poor some of America is. Some of it looks like the kind of slums that Dickens or Orwell would write about.

>>92031255

> The less commonly represented group is always defined by their race, as if they have no other interests aside from their identity

Because it's the only way to make them interesting! Other than that, they're just some guy. And even so, modern Natives LOVE to still role play as their ancestors. They're into apparently.

>>92031372

Yeah take away the veneer of spirit-hunter-warrior-native and what you're left with is someone people who's, on the surface, no different than a Mexican. (The way they look I mean.)

So if anything, the comic giving them native decor is just a way to tell the reader that's who they are.

>>92034254
Look at fucking Detroit. It baffles me that such a place can even exist in a first world nation.

Also,

>Wah people only judge me by my cultural stereotype!

BUT

>I want people to acknowledge I'm a special "native" minority! Huh, I guess I'll dress in a headdress so they know!

This is their fucking problem. They want to have their cake and devour it too.

>>92034041
America is weird in that they both worship and despise their soldiers. Their culture glorifies the soldier in movies and games at the same time that the public and government at best ignore or at worst consider them criminals.
Israel is a completely different beast in that they are the one kike guy in a sea of Muslims that would like nothing better than to see then shoaned again, so they don't really have any other choice but to support their troops.

>>92034297
That's what I mean. I have a theory that empires benefit those who run the country most, those who run the colony second, and even the subjects get a better deal than the domestic populace. Not sure if this is scientifically or historically proven, but it always seems that way to me.

Look at Britain before and after the collapse of the empire at Suez.
>Welp, no more empire, time to implement socialist healthcare

>>92034388
A lot of the impetus for the NHS was how dissatisfied everyone was that the community attitude of the WW1 Home Front collapsed when the war actually ended.

>>92034169
Or maybe it's because Injuns were historically moved onto reservations by liberals in hopes that their culture and way of life and racial distinctiveness would be preserved. And the fact that 90% of American citizens were white, making it easy to ignore those other guys.

>>92034254
>as a middle class Northwestern European I'm......

Please kill yourself if you don't think poverty exists in the EU.

>>92034297
Gee anon it's almost like instead of doing what the black radicals in Atlanta did and guaranteeing that cops would do their job and protect white property and not tax the whites too much the black radicals in Detroit said "WE MAYOR NOW" and then all the white people moved a few miles out to the suburbs where they couldn't be taxed.

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>>92034206
>I know Rainmaker exists but know jack about her.
Sarah Rainmaker is a teenage bisexual exhibitionistic Native American version of Storm with the same powers and I would bury my cock in every hole she has.
>>92034214
Hey, we don't complain about Manifest Destiny do we?
Oh wait, no.
That actually sucked for a lot of Natives. Never mind, carry on.
>>92034254
Evidence points to America slowly but steadily declining since the 1970's in many ways, largely due to changing economic situations that the size of the country makes it difficult to adapt to and the problems of actually enacting wide-spread change (beneficial or otherwise) in a government system that allows states to ignore the law and tie it up in courts for eternity out of sheer stubbornness and traditionalism.
Ironically it's the fault of the US itself why this happened and not "immigrants" or whatever; we spread capitalism everywhere and it turns out smaller counties are better at adapting to it faster then we did. I think the reason it's easier to blame immigrants and minorities is just visibility; you didn't "see" them back during this country's glory days, but since everyone saw their country purely through the radio or television (neither of which really talked much about minorities at the time) a lot of folks don't realize that the number of non-white citizens has only actually really GROWN in very recent years and was fairly stable and consistency large for decades before that.

Which again, is the fault of white folks because if they didn't want tons of black people here they probably shouldn't have brought them here in the first place.
>>92034297
Been to Detroit.
It's actually somehow worse then RoboCop. It's fascinatingly surreal.

>>92033031
>Coastal Salish
Hmm? Nootka? Hmm?

>>92034297
I still remember that Top Gear episode where they go in the aftermath of Katrina a year later and it's as if it was only last week.

>>92032653
Warpath was in one of the Prequel Trilogy X-Men movies.

>>92034511
I've been all around Eastern Europe, and the desolation of the American slum is something totally its own. Even the difference between a shack made of brick in some post-Soviet shithole is above the corrugated iron shanty town you'd expect to see in Africa.

Besides, you should not have such comparisons being made if you're the lone global super power with enough economic and military might to destroy any nation or continent in days.

>>92033599
>being a minority is interesting

The fact you think this is why you're not interesting. You're one of those white people who takes no pride in your ancestors and just bitches about being a "boring white person" when you probably have relatives who stormed Japan/Europe during WWII and lived in America during the depression and such.

>>92031255
You mean

>Black Character
>Hello I am Black Character

>>92034511
>Or maybe it's because Injuns were historically moved onto reservations by liberals in hopes that their culture and way of life and racial distinctiveness would be preserved. And the fact that 90% of American citizens were white, making it easy to ignore those other guys.
Firstly, we're not all on reservations.
Secondly, it wasn't actually 90%, more like 70% when you add up that all the minorities adding up to nearly 21 million of then-population around 150 million.
It's just we had no TV presence so it was harder to "see" us.
But yeah, liberals moved us around a lot. Generally either side did not do us much good.
I still vote liberal because as my dear old grandad used to say "I sure as shit aren't rich enough to afford voting Republican".

>>92034328
>>92034041
8% of the voting population is comprised of veterans. It is impossible to "ignore" soldiers. It is possible to have a horribly run bureaucracy that mismanages resources and inconveniences tens of millions of servicemen and ex-servicemen.

>>92031255
What about a Native American character in a superhero series who is just a powerless badass with guns?
I bet even if he didn't have racial hippy spiritual powers or shit most comics would still make him use a bow instead of guns just because

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arak_%28comics%29

non-stereotypical?

Anyone ever read it? Is it just a Conan knock off?

The only people who whine about their stereotypes are the ones who don't know how it feels to not have any stereotypes.
>>92033564
>>92033677
>>92031255
>Native American wearing Yank colours and patterns
Isn't it kind of ironic?

>>92032678
To be fair, Ireland does have a metric fuckton of country roads and hilly pastures.

>>92034531
Snohomish, actually.
>>92034656
I know that too.
My grandpa served. Neeeever shuts up about it either, Jesus Christ.
>>92034686
>Isn't it kind of ironic?
Why not? They're American colors, aren't they?

>>92034651
>Secondly, it wasn't actually 90%, more like 70% when you add up that all the minorities adding up to nearly 21 million of then-population around 150 million.

You're literally disproven by the official Census data and it baffles me as to why anyone would just pull numbers out of their asses when we have all this tallied and written down for decades.

And anyone with half a brain knows not all indians are on reservations, but at the time most were and the fact that reservations were treated as sovereign governments and generally received little attention from the federal government is considered a reason for long term poverty. The trade off is that full integration into white society would have brought prosperity but also total death of culture and race for the indians which was unacceptable to racial egalitarians who viewed the indians and other minorities as noble peoples maligned by racists. For the racists keeping indians on the reservations ensured no possibility of racemixing.

>>92034523
>because if they didn't want tons of black people here they probably shouldn't have brought them here in the first place.


They did want tons of black people here, to work for them with no pay.

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>>92034677
That one guy in Marc Silvestri's comic, the burly Wolverine knockoff, Ripclaw.
He was Native but mostly he was just Albino Native Wolverine for years until Top Cow got more mystical in general and they tried to move away from Cyberforce all being a bunch of X-Men knockoffs.

>>92034606
I'm european but keep making shit up

>>92034781
>>92034523
They should have done what the Arabs did and castrate them.

But that would have really backfired when Europe realised maybe it's wrong to sell and own humans. And as far as I know they didn't need to have a CIVIL FUCKING WAR over it.

>>92034677
>lumbee cop
>driving around Raleigh North Carolina
>but then bad stuff happens
>now he's like the punisher, but in the South

Or something

>>92034855
Well as I understand it Europeans started realizing it that it really was a lot more expensive to keep and transport slaves a lot faster, especially as new technologies became increasingly available, plus seeing how so many slaves did NOT do much good for the Spanish Empire.
But yeah, I read there was ALWAYS a shitload of ambivalence to slaves and slave trade; a lot of the huge sailing powers made use of them, but slave traders got treated like the scum of the Earth by a lot of people (especially important or wealthy people) and a lot of religious figures were openly opposed to it.

Can't really pinpoint why it took white folks here so much more effort to come to the same conclusion. Maybe something about economic dependence upon them in some regions, but even that can't be all of it.

I really want to write a series about a gay superhero whose power is that he can harness his emotions as physical constructs. Except unlike literally every other gay hero out there, he's a complete prick and everybody fucking despises him because of how much of an cynical asshole he is. He doesn't have a lover nor does anyone want to be with him, and he's ok with this because it only gives him more fodder for his powers. The more you beat him up, he angrier he gets. The angrier he gets, the more powerful he becomes. And all the while he's spouting complete bullshit to you so you can siphon off your rage to make himself even stronger than he was before

>>92034812
That guy is awfully pale for a Native American, isn't he?

>>92035006
Yeah, he is, especially since I'm pretty sure he was Apache. It was part of his mutation I think?
I bet Silverstein just drew the character and came up with his origins AFTER the fact and incorporated Native American origins because as I said up here >>92033929, Native stuff was "cool" in the 90's.

>>92034955
>Can't really pinpoint why it took white folks here so much more effort to come to the same conclusion

"Europe did it so it's bad."

>>92034855
Plus you're talking about relatively safer trade routes. You're either going through the continent or along the coast so stopping for resupply was much simpler. Ships lost a majority of there slaves each trip coming across the ocean. Overall it was probably cheaper to breed them for future generations of slaves. I mean some were actually traded in America for the purposes of breeding. There were older slaves that were sold specifically as studs.

>>92034955
Also Britain realized they could get the same products from India far cheaper.

>>92034812
Why did you post an image of Kratos?

>>92034978
Northstar totally ruined it for gay heroes didn't he? Though he wasn't a jerk cos he was gay, he was a jerk because he was a Canadian Francophone and if there was EVER a subculture that had a stick up their ass about something or other it was those guys.

>>92035102
Which, being honest. is something the West still hasn't given up on.

>>92034523
>better at adapting to it
>this has nothing to do with us abandoning the American Economic System or enabling large corporations to relocate their factories to countries where pesky things like "worker's rights" and "human life" don't get in the way
>mass importation of foreigners who work for less than the average American and who can't properly demand wages under the law due to the possibility of deportation also have no effect on this

It's amazing there are people so dumb as to deny basic economic realities that have existed since before the beginning of the industrial revolution.

>>92034855
Gee anon it's almost like European plantation owners lived in places like Jamaica and Haiti instead of London and Paris.

>>92034781
Elites did largely because indentured white servants kept taking them to court for abuses. In the modern era mass immigration is the same in that respect, using laborers who can't properly protest their rights as human beings before a court in order to cut costs.

>>92035096
Can't be all of it.
I bet you most Americans back then hardly every thought about Europe.
>>92035102
Empires are rad like that.
Totally fucked the whole "King Cotton" theory up the ass though. I guess the Confederate States should have actually learned more about what was going on in the rest of the world first before they tried to gently extort people with the one bit of leverage they thought they had.
>>92035112
Holy shit, he DOES look like Kratos.

>>92034812

I like that dude simply because WarBlade is my guilty pleasure and I like RipClaw and WarBlade's rivalry.

>>92035132
I don't know who or what ruined anything, all I know is that Midnighter is the only Gay hero I can think of who isn't completely flaming and isn't cringe when interacting with his lovers

Everyone else is so romanticized that loses all sense of realism even for a bunch of books about weirdos in spandex fighting other weirdos in differently colored spandex

>>92035202
I love Warblade, he's like Wolverine but with green hair and stretchy arms!
Nice to see a fellow 90's comic reader.

>>92034955
Economic and political power in European nations was not to any great degree controlled by slaveowners. The slaveowners themselves dominated Southern legislatures and Southern representation in congress. There are multiple instances of pre-civil war presidential elections in which no one was allowed to vote and the electors were selected by elite committee in order to maintain power in the hands of the 10% of Southerners who owned slaves.

This was also why after the abolition of slavery in Brazil the Emperor was deposed by the ex-slaveowners who were still rich enough to move the whole country. This of course is why Brazil sucks.

>>92031255
Anon, every non-American guy in comics is a stereotype.

>Italian
Eh Pollie, come out here and put a cap in that prick, capische?

>Greek
Oooooopa friend, let's go and drink some ouzo in the name of Zeus!

>Russian
Greetings Comrade, tis now time to serve Mother Russia by drinking Vodka!

>French
Agh, do we really have to be in the same vicinity as these subhumans?

>Japanese
HONOOOOOOOOOOR

>Scandinavian
FER OHDIIIIIIIHNNNN!

>Scottish
Ay lad, are ye up for some log throwing?

>English
Oy there chap, would you be so kind as to fetch me a newspaper?

Meanwhile Americans come in all shapes, sizes and characterizations. Marvel's all about "diversity", but still continue to treat the non-US world like shit in their books. It's why they suck so much, really.

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>>92035158
This is why globalism is a race to the bottom.

Look at the Chinese mines in Africa and image those working conditions applied to factories (which will happen when the Chinese middle class gets big enough).

>>92035196
At that point in time Europe was seen as a backward hellhole of aristocrats trampling the rights of the common people. The Southern elites were favored by the French Empire and British Empire because they successfully cast themselves as being more similar to the European elites.

The North on the other hand was still radical and deeply distrusted/disliked the Europeans.

>>92035224
Well, you had Wiccan and Hulkling but then Gillen happened.

Logan and Hercules weren't bad in X-Treme X-Men.

>>92034570
His role was actually smaller than Slipknots. I don't remember him having any lines.

>>92035266
"Real" diversity is hard. Imagine how much harder it is to get the cultural nuances of an English royalist, a Japanese suburbanite, and a Finn that thinks he's white.

Nah just have city-dwelling Americans that all have the same snarky non-personality, just sometimes with different paint.

>>92035266
American comicbook stereotypes of the Japanese always seem the worst since it's either "muh honorabu samurai" or "muh kawaii japanese girl who fucks my self-insert".

>>92032091
You should still leave your house and go outside sometime.

>>92035301
I thought Britain backed the South because they were still salty about the original 13 Colonies which formed most of the North?

>>92035202
>and I like RipClaw and WarBlade's rivalry.

Too bad you probably won't see that again because of the Wildstorm buyout.

>>92035102
>>92035196
The Europeans still favored the South. Their non-intervention wasn't simply an economic consequence but also military and diplomatic consequences. Just a few years earlier the Crimean War had pitted the British and French against the Russians and as the Confederacy continued to be on the defensive the Russians, who were friendly towards President Lincoln, began sending warships all over the place in an ominous manner. Essentially the Russians implied that if Britain and France invaded the Union, the Russians would attack the Ottoman Empire again. The threat of a Russo-American alliance lent pressure to London's choice whether to support the South or not.

Russian friendship towards the Union of course was spurred onwards by the fact that a strong Union was a good counterbalance to British naval power. So where the British supported a divided America because a weakened Union couldn't challenge them effectively the Russians felt it beneficial to have the North win and the Union remain united.

>>92034754
Weren't Native Americans in constant wars with people carrying the flags of USA though?
It's like making Marvel's Thor a Christian.

>>92035392
There were multiple factors. Wanting a divided Union was good for both France (which was busily trying to make Mexico their puppet) and Britain (which wanted the CSA around so that they could double team the USA from Canada and Dixie if they ever needed to) and diminish American naval and industrial power, since the USA of course had our own access to cotton whereas the British were still trying to fully dominate places like India.

Additionally the Southern planters cast themselves as being from centuries old planting bloodlines, the natural rulers over the smelly peasant whites and black slaves. In the reactionary ideologies of the time it was natural to assume that God had ordained a natural class system of aristocrats ruling over non-aristocrats. The Southern elites also liked that medieval-type stuff, hence why the KKK are called the Knights of the Fiery Cross and wear the same outfits as European knightly orders.

The North was also deeply hostile to the Europeans on the basis of governing ideology. In fact multiple times in the past 50 years the USA had either invaded Canada or provided support to the Canadian rebellions against the British, so there was ongoing distaste for America in Britain.

I think out of all the stereotypes the hispanic one pisses me off the most.

"Hey there nino did you go to abuelos to get the helado por your hermana"

Fuck just speak all in Spanish or all in English

>>92032678
Russians don't have second names. That's a patronym they got.

>>92035485
Depends on how salty a person chooses to be. You can talk about how the government broke their treaties and stole your gold 140 years ago or you can be glad that 90 years ago they gave citizenship to all Indians by Constitutional amendment.

It's like black people being mad about slavery or Southerners complaining about the Civil War. It's your personal choice whether you choose to be angry about things that happened generations ago.

>>92035485
I was making a joke about the flag thing.
Mostly we don't care though.

>>92035301
Thats not true, British Empire supported the North more since they were the better trading partner while what the south offered they could get better elsewhere.

And Britain banned slavery before America?

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>>92035266
But there's absolutely nothing wrong with these stereotypes.
Besides, there's always a way to put a little spin on them and make them more interesting. Like TF's Heavy having a Phd in literature, for example.
>It's why they suck so much, really.
Nah, they suck because they keep hiring shitty tumblr """artists""" and ham-fisting politics into their comics.

>>92035485
Also, I can't stress enough that NOT all of us got into wars with Americans.
I'm Coastal Salish, we didn't really do that kinda thing.

>>92033411
And here I thought you eastern skins were all gone. It sucks being from Pine Ridge, but at least we had a good fight before going out.

>>92035657
>better trading partner

Trading with a country which 20 years earlier supported Canadian revolutionaries sounds real great. But having them divided up so they have other things to focus on sounds greater.

>>92035708
>NOT all of us got into wars with Americans.
I know that, but it's still seems kinda wacky to see some tribal dude wearing stars and stripes.
Then again, the same goes for Thor, Wonder Woman, and few other foreign-but-now-american cape heroes.
>>92035648
>Depends on how salty a person chooses to be. It's your personal choice whether you choose to be angry about things that happened generations ago.
I'm a Pole, salt is in my blood and I breathe with butthurt, so I envy your distance to these things.

>>92031255
Blacks are the white people of minorities. What else is new?

>>92035750
Nah, we're still around, though we have plenty of race-mixing going on.
Not as bad off as folks down in Arizona either usually. Been there once or twice, it seemed really run down in some places.

>>92035868
Come on over to the Dakotas, reservations over there are considered the poorest in the U.S.

>>92035832
>I'm a Pole, salt is in my blood and I breathe with butthurt, so I envy your distance to these things

Whatever happened to the Poles?
I mean aside from the Germany thing which....okay yeah, that was pretty bad actually, never mind.

>>92031255
>French character
How it going, mon ami?

>>92035687
Really anon? Really? Nothing wrong? So the US protagonist gets to be everything from the hero, the villain, the genius, the hardcore, etc, etc, but all the rest of us are just good for comedy relief, cliche supporting roles and nothing more? GTFOH anon, GTFOH...

>>92034511
Kilpatrick was crazy levels of corrupt. And the current mayor is a white dude.

>>92035925
>Whatever happened to the Poles?
They're currently melting at an alarming rate.

>>92034175
underrated

>>92035909
Lovely. I really feel bad for the tribes living in the severe poverty stuff, that shit always makes me feel lousy.
But I guess a lot of those states aren't really super wealthy anyway.

>>92035999
Your Pun is so terrible that I legitimately am impressed.

>>92036030
Nah, don't worry about it brother, just a bad roll of the dice. Lot of the problems that attribute to our poverty is just booze and drugs. Its all in the people who have the choice to make it a better place for themselves.

>>92035955
This was less true in some 90's comics.
Miguel O'Hara (Spider-Man 2099) was Hispanic (also Irish but he looked way more Hispanic) and he was simultaneously a sarcastic genius asshole and a stoic, hard-edged crime fighter in secret.

>>92035955
It's their media. Let them at least do what they want with it.
I mean, they don't even exist in my country's media. I can't remember the last time I saw an American in a movie form my country, unless it was a movie about the wars in the middle east.

>>92036064
I have an unironic love for legitimately bad puns, and I don't know why.

>>92036097
I feel bad about poor white folks though.
It just hits me harder when it's tribal stuff because it's one of those "there but for the grace of god" things.

>>92033453
It's more that there were far more natives in Central America, plus they weren't Stone Age nomads so they couldn't be casually pushed out the way.

>>92036105
Yeah, my boy Miggy was dope back in the day. But still, the point stands. You'd think that with the MCU making most of its bank overseas, more Marvel could at least go "hey guys, this American characcter actually comes from X country". You'd think that with America being a melting pot, they could throw the rest of us a bone and go the Cap route, of him being American of Irish descent. It'd be cool.

>>92031255
Non-American here but it's a basic problem with trying to be as safe and respectful to a people as can be, without giving them a lot of attention.
Like I said, not from the US, so I can't speak from experience, but based on what I can only gather from media, Native people are ridiculously rare to come across in most parts of the country. Most of the time I've seen them show up, everything about their heritage is upfront and not at all casual.
I think the issue is that they're so uncommon that unless you're making fiction set in a Native community (I'm not aware of any TV shows which do that), then it's not lokely that you'll have many Native characters.
Subsequently, the few characters who do exist will need to embody everything creator wishes to reflect about Native culture, so they become a good person who's a nice, safe stereotype to show how knowledgeable and respectful the creator is of that culture.

Basically, if there were more of them, you'd get more variety, because they few characters that exist would no longer be carrying the entire representation on their shoulders.

>>92036206
Actually, we weren't Stone Age nomads up here either. Well, not all nomads anyway. We built villages and shit up in the Northwest. They did on the East Coast too. Nomadic stuff is mostly a plains thing.

Also; Aztecs literally used stone weapons.

>>92036131
But Marvel is a global company. They make money overseas. The MCU makes most of its bank outside of the US. It's not like we're talking about local soap operas. You create a universe based in the real world and champion diversity, well, you better throw the rest of us a bone. Like I said, they can just go the Cap route of having the character still be American, but of a certain descent. It'd go a long way with people.

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>>92036194
Shit happens dude, just gotta persevere and see the light at the end of the tunnel.

>>92036222
Marvel's corporate issues affect every part of the comics making right now.
Until they resolve them it won't get better, even a little.

>>92035949
>Quebecois or Cajun character
MAW CHAIR

>>92036292
True that man.

>>92036307
True anon, true.

>>92031255
A fucking sword

Where would the red man who never smelted so much as copper get the raw materials for a sword? Is this a cis ruse to stop /co/?

>>92036367
Looks a little short to be a sword, actually.

>>92036241
Natives are rare on the coasts (big cities) where most stuff is made so the people making that stuff have no exposure to em. In the middle states (flyover country) nearly everyone has met numerous native people. It's just another case where diverse=blacks only when people talk about rural areas aren't diverse. Upper midwest you can barely go 50 miles without hitting a res or an Indian casino

>>92035266
>>Italian
>Not Mama mia, Mario get the spagheti out of the oven!

>>92036401
Or you can just go to Chicago.

What do Native Americans consider good representations of Native Americans in media to be?

>>92036506
Define "good".
Do you mean accurate or just entertaining?

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>>92031342
Was there as much of a public backlash when they had negros take the mantles of white heroes (like Iron Man and Green Lantern) as there is now with the new wave of SJW mantle-grabbers like Rori, Whore, etc.?

>>92036506
Act as innocent bystanders who suffered at the hands of the evil white man from the U.S..

Think of the holocaust, only with more bare skin and less cooking.

>>92032653

It's the Apache Chief in WW solo movie.

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>>92036553
Define "entertaining"

Do you mean entertaining or just good?

>>92036506
Oh!
Played inFamous 3? You actually play a guy who's from some kinda made-up Coastal Salish tribe in the game, but it doesn't really heavily influence any part of his OR his brother's character or personality.
Like, literally the only time a Northwestern tribesman has ever been in a video game, I swear to god.
>>92036572
With Rhodey replacing Tony?
No, because Tony was still an active character in the book and and Rhodey had actually been a cast member of the comics for years before becoming Iron Man.
For John Stewart? Yes, because he literally came out of left field all of a sudden and it was abrupt.
A lot of others (like Wildcat and Doctor Midnite) just weren't important enough for people to really care I guess, and they were willing to risk actually making new heroes rather then just shove in legacy ones.

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>>92035925
See, this is exactly what I meant here: >>92034686
"Invaded by nazis" is pretty much our entire presence in the global popculture, or not even that.
A millenium of history and culture went down the shitter just after a few decades behind the Iron Curtain. And I'm not speaking just for my country here, the same goes for half of Europe. We're all just generic post-gommie shitholes with 0 recognizability abroad.
So this is why I wouldn't really complain about stereotypical portrayal. Be happy with what you have, it's better than nothing. I wish we had a stereotype.
>>92035955
>So the US protagonist gets to be everything from the hero, the villain, the genius, the hardcore, etc, etc, but all the rest of us are just good for comedy relief, cliche supporting roles and nothing more?
I never said so. Stereotypical traits don't contradict a deeper personality or an important role in the story.
Can't a Mexican bombastic luchadore be a cool protagonist? Can't a cruel Italian mafioso be an interesting villain? Can't an Irish drunkard be a genius in quantum physics?

>>92036766
>Can't a Mexican bombastic luchadore be a cool protagonist? Can't a cruel Italian mafioso be an interesting villain? Can't an Irish drunkard be a genius in quantum physics?
Sure, but if that's all these ethnicities ever are, it becomes boring. When Doctor Doom (a half gypsy) is the repesentative of South-East Europe in comics, there's something wrong.

>>92035648
I am still kinda salty about it. Different for me though since I am in Canada and they didn't end the residential school system until 1996.

>>92036831
But Doctor Doom is cool as fuck, even if his homeland is a fictional nation.

>>92036731
Tom Hardy stars as a half-Salish guy in that Taboo show which came out earlier this year, if you're into that.

>>92036950
Yeah, but to the general public, the ones that know him, he's primarily a gypsy, and thus a POC, so he doesn't release represent Eastern Europe. Don't get me wrong, I'm a major Doomfag, but they should at least focus on that aspect of his more than just "he gypsy, he magic".

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>>92037069
Gypsies in Marvel are white. Same with Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver.

>>92037104
Sure, but to Tumblr they're blacker than Indians. And kidding aside, the Roma who actually became members of society are Balkan White. So Doom being white makes sense. but to Tumblr he's still a POC.

>>92033813
Naw it's legit, they specifically call him a professional historian and there were interviews with John Tobias in the 90's where he talked about how he wanted Nightwolf to be less stereotypical than T.Hawk and Chief Thunder and fit into the modern world more.

And then Tobias left Midway after MK4 and they decided "y'know what Nightwolf needs? More deerskins" and actually ripped off the fucking Annihilation movie with his modified backstory. Seriously, the shitty second movie no one liked is the first time he was established as some ancient guy who doesn't age and the games decided THAT of all things deserves to be added to fucking canon.

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>>92031372
>Because if you do a Native American character that doesn't have obvious Lakota/Cherokee/Cheyenne/Chippewa/Pueblo/whatever ethnic traits, then it will be assumed to just be a Mexican.
that being said What is this guy?

>>92037143
Maybe you need to stop caring what tumblr considers different people.

>>92037201
T. Hawk. His people got moved to a reservation in Mexico and his sister and German girlfriend were kidnapped.

>>92037201
Aside from perpetually forgotten because overlaps too much with Zangief?

>>92031255
I was always fond of Airborne in G.I. Joe for this reason. While Spirit's shtick was always being a native tracker, you'd only know Airborne was one if you read his filecard or when Spirit would call him "my Indian brother".

>>92037208
Considering Tumblr, Twitter and Social Media dictate what companies do these days, it won't be long before every character past Red Skull and Stryker are (((POCs))).

>>92033929
It was part of how in the 90's, diversity was this innocently presented "we can all live in harmony and be on the same team" thing like with the Burger King Kids Club/Power Rangers/Captain Planet.

>>92037253
Red Skull is a person of color. Sometimes he has a skeletal face the color of blood instead of a mask.

>>92032678
Even in America, you'll get characters defined by local and regional stereotypes. The Californian, the New Yorker, the Texan, the Bostonian/Masshole, the Southerner, the Yupper, etc.

>>92037298
Yuppers are not important enough in media to be a specific stereotype.

>>92037298
Despite Ohio being responsible for so much /co/ media in one way or another, I don't think we actually have a stereotype. But I still feel it's underrepresented in all media in comparison to most of the regions you've mentioned.

>>92034677
There's this dude, didn't show up much but a good example of a guy who you wouldn't know is native except because of his name:

https://comicvine.gamespot.com/sea-urchin/4005-2152/

>>92037419
The stereotype of Ohio is being shit.

>>92036766
The problem with being a Pole is that a large part of that 1000 year history is everyone else invading. But Poland held on and survived despite that.

Also, you can't call yourself a Polack to be edgy without most people our age thinking you're from a certain 4chan board.

>>92034777
They should have killed all those french, spaniards and birts before they got here and started fucking the natives if they wanted to stop racemixing.

>>92031255
>Black Character
>Hello I am a character
As a black man, where the fuck do you see this? It always feels like it's so hard for writers to strike a balance between writing a character as 'black' and just writing a character period independent of their race. Most black superheroes come off as not really being ideal to me.

That said, I do wish we got some more good Native American characters. Y'all probably got it way worse than we do.

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>>92037368
But the Yupper accent is very distinctive, so it often shows up, sans stereotype.

And the stereotype is there good and hard in things like Prairie Home Companion.

>>92037419
>>92037476

There's not much of an Ohio stereotype other than that it's very Middle America, and has the stereotypical region-free "American accent".

And of course, that the Cuyahoga River is on fire.

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>>92037477
GERONIMO

>>92037563
That does seem to be what little stereotype we have. It is mostly wrong though. Cuyahoga hasn't caught fire in about 40 years and we don't have the region-free American accent. You have to go further west for that. The accents any of seem to have are much more noticeable if you're from here though.

>>92036597
Not Manitou Raven?

>>92037643
Living on the East Coast, Ohioans (and you meet a lot who've escaped Ohio) seem to have a very neutral accent. You don't meet nearly as many people from, say, Indiana.

I've also met quite a few girls from your state who sound like Daria, which is incredibly, incomprehensibly sexy.

>>92037280
You're technically right anon, you're technically right...

>>92037729
Northern Ohio accent is very close to the Buffalo accent. Southern Ohio accent depends on where ya go. But you get a range from near incomprehensible Appalachian to something that's closer to Texan.
The Ohioans who go to the East Coast talk about leaving as if they just barely got out. That doesn't really seem to be the case with Ohioans who push west for whatever reason. Not to mention we're always getting an influx of people. We didn't get to be the 7th most populous state for nothing I guess.
Anyway great /co/ media by Ohioans include Superman, Bone, and Calvin & Hobbes. Great /co/ media set in Ohio include ????? (though technically Calvin & Hobbes)

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>>92037477
>The problem with being a Pole is that a large part of that 1000 year history is everyone else invading.
The problem with being a Pole is that everyone assumes what you've just wrote, but it's a misconception.
That "large part" is just a couple of events in relatively short time spans, but the post-WW2 memes blotted out everything else. It's not like other European nations didn't have much less of wars and invasions.
No post-commie country has popcultural equivalents of, let's say, Japanese samurai, Nordic vikings, or French la resistance, even though there's plenty of interesting historical stuff to base them upon. It sucks.
>Also, you can't call yourself a Polack to be edgy without most people our age thinking you're from a certain 4chan board.
It's pretty ironic that's what they picked as their name.

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>>92037905
I used to think this guy was from Ohio as a kid because of his name.

Of course, he's from another place entirely.

>>92031255
>ay ese, ese, ese, hermano ese, how chu doin mayne?

Marco Diaz says Hi.

I met a guy who says that history before the 1600's is just a fabrication. His name is Nico Haupt.

>>92039116
America Chavez says Hola, amigx

>>92038155
>That "large part" is just a couple of events in relatively short time spans,

Your entire country did not exist for ~120 years and was re-established for no other reason than to have some military behind Germany (which did not work out), and is infamous for having a veto system in its congress where any single noblemen had the right to halt the entire proceedings (meaning that the only way to pass anything would be by unanimous decision, if you have but one noble who is more interested in his own wealth, it becomes effectively impossible to govern). Because of that, Poland was a non-factor in international politics for

I mean I sympathise with you (Polak, Węgier, dwa bratanki), but you have to admit that your country made a lot of shitty decisions and were at the mercy of others for centuries. So were we, anyway.

>No post-commie country has popcultural equivalents of, let's say, Japanese samurai, Nordic vikings, or French la resistance, even though there's plenty of interesting historical stuff to base them upon. It sucks.

True enough. Us Hungarians had a few, but they are not prevalent in pop culture in any way, other than a bunch of old cartoons (Mathias the Just), and a rock opera (King Stephen).

I think the older generations would be too stingy about making pop culture versions of those. That, or they just aren't as interesting as Vikings or Samurai.

>>92038155
>>92040237

Try to cheer up anons, did a quick google search and you got some stuff

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Fictional_Polish_people

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Poland_in_fiction

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Video_games_set_in_Hungary

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Fictional_Hungarian_people

Still, sorry that you guys don't get more spots.

>>92031960
No thanks, I like real comics.

>>92032559
alcoholism

>>92034175
kek

>>92039957
DID YOU SAY HITLER

>>92040880
>Blofeld was a Polish Nazi collaborator
Now that is something I didn't know.
>>92040237
Nice to see that there are Magyarbros browsing this board. Funny coincidence, I started watching The Tragedy of Man today.
>Poland was a non-factor in international politics
There's no denying that, but it's not like the samurai and ninjas were particularly relevant outside of their country, and yet they are easily recognizable throughout the world. So it's not necessarily a matter of international relevance.
>I think the older generations would be too stingy about making pop culture versions of those.
Considering the times they lived in, they didn't have means of developing such things even if they wanted to.
But hey, maybe we'll get our popcultural heyday yet.

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>>92031255
I liked how besides his appearance and street racing hobby, Robbie wasn't stereotypically latino at all because of his seething contempt for the community that surrounded him.

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>>92041402
>capeshit
>real comics
Sure anon, sure.

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>0 of 0

>>92031255
Native American Kino
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7GNBjWbleCI

>>92032091
You don't even have to live in the us. There's natives all over the fucking americas.

>>92036288
Replace Marvel with a video game company and you'll see your answer.

>>92033752
Late reply but I'm gonna need pics about beating up Bullseye