Remove these countries from the equation and we are left with

>>92024990
Check off France and Canada as well before making your "point" you cretin

I know France, Canada, and Britain have pretty big animation industries.

Places like Russia, China, and Brazil probably have all sorts of weird shit the rest of the world never sees.

>>92024990
Most animation is outsourced to korea anyway.

>>92025045
i guarantee anything coming out of russia or south america is total shit

>>92025057
Not the writing, storyboarding, layout and character design though

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>>92024990
>Spain

>>92025029
His point would be even stronger because that would mean Teletoon is the king network of all animation.

>>92025060
Russia has a long history of animation (though mostly because the communists wanted to try and undermine the capitalist rodent). There's a lot of really interesting old stuff to dig up. Maybe all that stuff just disappeared, but it's hard to imagine there being nothing.

>>92024990
Nothing good. The only thing seppos have ever been good for is making good cartoons, and even then sometimes they just wind up making abominations (SU, New PPG, etc.)

>>92025029
What are you smoking, we haven't created anything decent since 97. Hell we should be locked up for the stuff we've done since then

Have you seen almost naked animals?!

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>>92025075
We wish. We've got like a miniature version of France's industry: some great talent around, but mostly directionless, self-indulgent or worse, playing it overly safe (specially when it comes to features or medium-to-big budgets).

Feels bad; we did a bunch of pretty neat co-productions with Japan back in the 80s. Wish we could pull off something like that again

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there is these guys

>>92024990

You are clearly ignorant considering France isn't on your map. They make far better cartoons than the US.

>>92025209
> better
> Nobody knows of them outside their borders

Nah

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>>92024990
We are left with decent academy awards contenders.

>there wouldn't be academy awards in the first place
Even better!

>>92025344
You don't know about wakfu or totally spies?

>>92025358
Or that weird 3D Garfield cartoon a while back.

>>92025344
Quite well known in Europe, actually

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>>92025344
Nig, the issue usually is that the shit gets distributed to everywhere that isn't the US.

You guys are about as isolated as China or Iran.

>>92025415
And Australia, nothing that hasn't sold in the US or UK gets shown here, along with the latest Japanese merch show.

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>>92025348
Do they even care about AA outside America? I assume they've got their own institutions and whatnot; I wouldn't think they'd give a shit about some condescending pat in the back when foreign entries are usually picked only to validate the award as "global" for maximum circlejerkness

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We still have this.

>>92025140
>seppos
thats a new one, Aussie or brit? im gonna to have remember that one next time i venture into one of the countries under the crown

>>92025075
The only worthwhile out of Spain was Calico Electronico.

>>92025045
Chinese animation is a weird hybrid of anime and cartoon
Take that what you will

>>92026493
Only if you've gone full cuñao

>>92026597
Super Wings is pretty hot right now among preschoolers worldwide

>>92025060
Have you never seen their TOm & Jerry stuff?

>>92025358
Those shows are alright (actually wakfu sucks but that's just my opinion) but if those shows are the height of your animation industry then that's a pretty low bar

>>92025045
You used to be able to see a lot of foreign animation on British television when I was a kid (mostly on BBC2 or Channel 4 (back when there were literally only four TV channels)). Mostly shorts from Eastern Bloc countries, but sometimes they'd have a season of things like Bruno Bozzetto films (Italy). Summer holidays were also good for seeing obscure kids movies. I've also seen Russian short animations, usually fairy tales and the like, screened in the super-early kiddy slot on weekend mornings.

Here's a couple of classic Chinese animations; I remember seeing dubbed versions of these on UK television as a kid.

Nezha Conquers the Dragon King 哪吒闹海 (1979)
https://youtu.be/Z0SKGg8xOPs

Uproar in Heaven (1964)(【國語英字】大鬧天宮(1964))
https://youtu.be/Hu0XosgxCyU


A lot of places have some kind of home grown animation industry. The only ones that I haven't seen much from are Africa, the Middle East, and South East Asia, but that's probably down to a combination of there being very few studios and a lack of distribution.

>>92025358
>Totally spies

I never knew that was french.

On second thought, that explains a lot of things.

>>92024990
No more retarded """"""progressive"""""" cartoons
The french will do the job.

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It'll be alright.

>>92025029
Without America, who'd pay the miserable draw slaves in Canada to make the cartoons?

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>Soviet Czechoslovakia has a great animation industry
>capitalist, former Czechoslovakia has no animation industry
Really makes you think.

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>>92027071
>she will never conquer you
Why live?

>>92027158
That's a boy
And yes, we are awakened to the trap meme since an early age

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>>92027179
Dean?

>>92025344
>I haven't heard of it so it can't be good or important
You live in a country that would rather redo a foreign movie and stick AMERICAN [X] in the title than show foreign media to you. Even your fucking magazines are censored.
http://www.businessinsider.com/these-time-magazine-covers-explain-why-americans-know-nothing-about-the-world-2011-11?op=1

>>92027121
Kill yourself you fucking piece of trash trust fund latte drinking US Commie.

>>92025504
Can't speak for other countries but they do care about them here. Local awards have an uncomfortable air of politics around them so when you win a foreign award (be it the AA or the Golden Bear or whatever), the recognition less about politics. Plus, international attention is always good marketing, AA nominees (not just winners) always rake in extra money.

>>92024990
>implying western animation is anywhere near as good as Japan's

>>92025071
>he doesn't know about glorious juche propaganda cartoons
You're in for a fun ride:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HuXJBJWR36Y

>>92027038
They're the most well known, that's all.
I don't think McDonalds is the epitome of american cuisine either, but it's the one most people will be aware of.

Let's face it anon, you're just a philistine.

>>92024990
Some good stuff from northern/western Europe (no, you don't count England), a few gems from Canada, and a mountain of shit from Brazil and Russia.

>>92027106
The Canadian government, just like they've always done

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>a world without many of my favorite cartoons and anime
>but soyuzmultfilm still exists

>>92025029
America is the only country with decent animation in the western world

>>92028234
well the japanese do still import some western animated shows despite producing ~80% of the worlds animation so there's got to be something good about them

>>92024990
wakfu

>>92025145
Fangbone and Atomic Puppet are awesome
Sidekick and Grojband were decent

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>>92030657
Amen

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>>92024990
Canadian animation picks up and YTV and Teletoon experience a second Golden Age.

>>92025060
You are such a normie pleb it hurts to watch
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8jN0oOvYi0

>>92024990
The age of France begins

Also Canada

France, Ireland and Canada save animation and a new golden age begins

>>92027121
They still make animated movies in Czech republic
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJ6L7ZocNMY

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frame-for-frame Chinese knockoff of Gumball.

>>92024990
We'd get France, Canada, Ireland, Russia, and China

Also the Czech republic would monopolize stop-motion

>>92031552
nah, the UK would take over stop-motion

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>>92025060
Ehm

>>92031643
Mexico isn't South America

>>92024990
>>92025045
>>92025060
>>92025140
pleb, next time spend at least five minutes on YouTube before running your mouth here

>>92025057
who would pay for it?

>>92032509
probably Canada

>>92025060
Soviet stuff is Disney tier.
New Russian stuff from Melnitsa is OK. Folk is strong in them.
Cartoons for children audience are one of the best.
http://store.steampowered.com/app/495410/

>>92024990
the vast majority of animation in general would cease to exist it would also completely destroyed the animation industry in countries that america outsources to like korea

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>>92025029
>Canadian animation

>>92032753
Not true
Countries that can aford it would simply produce for their own market

Also, considering that some of the first traditional animation actually came from France, one can assume they would at the very least dominate the European market

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we should be ok

>>92032891
what's wrong with it?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RISzXw3WsNY

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>I know of zero other cartoons that are not made in the US, so there probably are none. So I can happily pretend we hold the monopole
This is what you sound like.
For example we have Werner besides countless children shows. And that is only Germany where we have not much animation going on. Start looking at France and the picture gets rapidly bigger
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3jMKeZwbqg

But of course nothing can exist outside your own place on this planet

>>92033276
Reminder that USA is a country that would rather re-make a foreign property instead of just dubing it

they live under a self-made rock

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>>92033109

Finally there would be actual budget for adult animation. I'm not talking about the "comedy"/"muhfeels", but genuine creativity.

>>92033692
Not much can come close to Az Ember Tragédiája, éven with a budget. It's a shame nobody outside of central Europe really cares about Jankovics

>>92033107
>Not true
what's not true?

>Countries that can aford it would simply produce for their own market
most countries can't afford it if you take away japan there only really three countries who have a animation industry that can even compare to america

the UK, France and, Canada

the UK's animation industry is on the decline because of high tax rates

France only has a animation industry because the government funds it

Canada's animation industry is in the same boat as France's but it also directly relies on the US to stay afloat

>very least dominate the European market
i guess but America has a bigger market for animation than the entirety of Europe. so if that market disappeared that would completely devastate the animation industry all over the world

>>92033738

The man is a genious. It's so sad, that he is not popular in the west.
But maybe that's his only way to really shine though.
>No corporate push
>No quotas
>No agendas
>has to make do with what he has
>no rush

>>92033692
>Finally there would be actual budget for adult animation

where would this money come from? Also how is America stopping people from funding adult animation?

>>92033276
i don't think he was saying that there won't be any good animation

i think he was saying that there would be much less in general seeing as america funds more animation than most places in the world put together

>>92033772
>what's not true?
That animation would not exist without the USA

As for the rest
Even countries like the Czech republic or Hungary do have their own animation industries
While there are countries that do not have an animation industry, the number of countries with animation industries of their own is much larger than you claim

Also the claim that the Franche animatin industry needs the US market is falacious, seeing how the vast majority of French animation never even gets imported to the US
The vast majority of animation from around the world never gets imported to the USA
They do not get any US money as it is, they do not need the US market

In fact, with no USA, there would be allot less competition for local animation studios

>>92033852

Well it's more of a "what people see" case.
"Adult animation" is strugling because adults can't belive a "cartoon" can be mature.
The only televised adult animation people see in the central european area:
- Simpsons/Family guy/American dad and other "funny" cartoons

In the commieblock times there was great effort to produce adult content, which failed because the audience didn't exist yet. When the commieblock fell, goverments took all the support from these state run studios and they crumbled.
Now that televised adult animated shows are sought after the only producers who they can look to are the U.S. from where only the popular shows get exported.

>>92034026
They actually made an animated feature film for adults in the Slovak Republic
It was also Slovakia's first animated feature film
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=difV_VoSdV8
the Simpsons/South Park influences are obvious

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We still would have Alfred J. Kwak, so the single best piece of fiction is still there
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Bd11F_zp9M

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well fuck me

>>92034232
it is by Cartoon Network Brazil tho
not sure if that counts

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>>92025060
>south america is total shit
>being this wrong

>>92034102

>It's a southparkesque humor film
The problem is, that without american influence this wouldn't exist and its more of a humor show.

>>92034405
yeah, without America they might have produced something good

Also mind you that the "animation is for Children" mentality was largely created by Disney and Hanna-Barbera
Thus it is America's doing

>>92034522

It's clear that the mentality came from there, but that does not mean that there would be no children's cartoons.

The playingfield would be more mixed.

>>92027158
Look up Kung Fu Cooking Girls. It's chinese.

>>92033985
>That animation would not exist without the USA
i never said that i said most (i see now that that was me being hyperbolic) but even if it's not most animation

american still funds more animated than anywhere else in the world

>the number of countries with animation industries of their own is much larger than you claim
i see my post made it seem like i thought that smaller countries did not have animation industry i didn't mean that i meant that there animation industries are so small in comparison to the us that there's really no point in comparing them

>which failed because the audience didn't exist yet
i don't see a problem with this i am not in favor of government funded art projects if there is no demand i don't see the point in having a supply

>>92034604
looking at French animation, Soviet era East and Middle European animation, and especially Japanese and early Chinese animation, that would very likely be the case

>>92034026
the last part of this post is for you>>92034644

>>92027092
Mumin was a nip co-production so you're fucked :^)

>>92034644
>american still funds more animated than anywhere else in the world

True, but only its own animation
And maybe Canada

the point of this thread is whether animation would exist without the USA nad Japan

The answer is, yes, it would
There would be less of it, but it would still exist an have an audience
Perhaps even an audience outside of just children

>>92028277
>squirrel and hedgehog
My melatonin enriched sibling from another female of the species.
Any new episodes since Lt. Vixen was fotm?

>>92033985
>Also the claim that the Franche animatin industry needs the US market

i never said that

>The vast majority of animation from around the world never gets imported to the USA

that's because it isn't profitable but that's nothing special the vast majority of animation anywhere including the us isn't profitable

nothing you said change the fact that america is the single largest market for animation in the world it spends more money funding animation inside and outside of its borders than any other country in the world

also the american people spend more money supporting animation than people from any other country in the world

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>>92031495
I want to ram goatmom, if you catch my drift.

>>92034864
That does not change the fact that animation would still exist even without the US

>>92034864
Japan's industry is bigger.

>>92034758
>the point of this thread is whether animation would exist without the USA and Japan?

no it's not the point of this thread is
>Remove these countries from the equation and we are left with what, in terms of animation?

this post does not asked whether or not they would still be animation just how much and what kind would there be without america and japan

>>92034996
less quantiry
maybe more quality

>>92034946
>>92034950
>That does not change the fact that animation would still exist even without the US

i never said otherwise

>Japan's industry is bigger.
no it's not cartoons in america make much more money than anime in japan

>>92035105
probably because American animation is cheaper

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>>92035041
if that's what you believe

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We are finally getting some quality.

>>92035145
>probably because American animation is cheaper
i'm not talking about the international market when you are in japan anime is pretty cheap it's all the stuff you get with animated that's expensive

So what are some good French cartoons besides Wakfu?
/co/ only seems to want to talk about French content when it caters to their fetishes.

>>92035276
>i know what genres i like, naturally this means everyone else knows what i like

Korea, all of Europe, Canada, the UK, and to a lesser extent Ireland.

Canada is doing OK for itself.

Europe(Main Land) has the artistry and numbers required, but perhaps not the same passion people in California do.

Korea already does most animation nowadays, so it's only a matter of time that when there's no demand for people to do so, they're make that demand themselves.

The UK has Aardman and a few other big names in animation. While slow, they make good, good stuff.

Ireland has a reputation for the occasional great animated movie now and then. Not enough to sustain the market, but something.

There's enough demand in other countries that if the two big sources disappeared, new sources would pop up. I also wouldn't underestimate places like Brazil due to their emergent nature, and China, while heavily censored, does make... some stuff.

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>>92035276
I would start with the Asterix movies
then try The Adventures of Tintin series

Chris Colorado was pretty awesome, even tho it ended on a cliffhanger
The Bob Morane animated series was great too

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>>92025045
Irmão do Jorel is GOLDEN m8
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Zs14p1TJf64

>>92035302
I'm just asking for general recs.
>>92035396
Sweet, I remember seeing bits of Chris Colorado years ago so I want to check it out again.

>>92035105
Japan produces much more animation than the US while keeping the vast majority of the work domestic, and the industry is much more far-reaching (music, manga, games, merchandise, light novels, live events, tourism etc.). I was not able to find out how much the US animation industry is worth, but the anime industry was worth $18 billion in 2015.

>>92034196
Man that shit got dark from time to time.

One on the best sunday @ 6 am shows.

>>92035552
>recs
I haven't actually seen any of these, but the general reception here was positive.

Triplets of Belville
Ernest & Celestine
Lascars
Lastman (eventually)
Muthafukaz (hopefully)

>>92035664
>Japan produces much more animation than the US
yeah but even popular anime doesn't make much money anime makes most of its money off of related products like statues and the full size body pillows

>anime industry was worth $18 billion in 2015
does that include music, manga, games, merchandise, light novels, live events, tourism etc?

because of this includes merchandise than a cartoon related merchandise definitely makes more money in america?

>>92036041
Merchandise is part of the anime industry, and body pillows are a meme. They make up a small minority of merchandise. There are also many TV anime that run during normal hours and generate income from commercials, like TV normally does. I see no reason to think that popular late night anime don't make much money from disc sales. If six volumes average 50,000 sales, that's 300,000 sales.

>does that include music, manga, games, merchandise, light novels, live events, tourism etc?
The industry reports have the categories of TV, movie, video, internet, merchandising, music, overseas, pachinko and live entertainment.

>because of this includes merchandise than a cartoon related merchandise definitely makes more money in america?
Does it, though? I'd like to see sales data but I wasn't able to find anything at all about how much the industry is even worth.

>>92036237
Also, I'm not saying the anime industry is bigger because it makes more money (which it may or may not), but because it has much higher output, most of the work is domestic, the industry has its fingers in many more pies, and because animation has a much more significant status in Japan than it does in America.