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>Jack kills off an army of dumbass robot beetles *AWESOME!

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>Jack kills off an army of dumbass robot beetles
*AWESOME! COOL! WELL DONE, JACK!
>Ashi kills off an army of dumbass orcs
*BOOOOOOOOOOO MARY SUE*
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>>91973642
Jakc has muscles and Ashi is anorectic

Ashi is mary sue
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>>91973642
You forgot the part where jack had weapons and body armor on top of barely walking away unscathed.
Im sorry but that scene with ashi was just ure waifufaggotry on gennedys part
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She's t h i c c, i'll allow it.
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>>91973673
You forgot the part where Ashi was trained for years to fight naked, and without any weapons
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>>91973642
>yfw /r9k/ is every board now
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>>91973821
you forgot that jack was trained all around the world since he was a child AND he's spent 50 years fighting these robots
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>>91973673

Some armies are better than others, Anon.
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>>91973642
>>91973673


jack had
>body armor
>spear
>pistol
>machinegun
>motorcycle of shredding
>manly body mass and muscle
>50 years more combat experience

ashi had
>clothes made out of leaves


I know that it's the trend to shitpost about jashi and the thicc cult leader at the moment but you niggas have to realize this is a setup for something being very wrong with Ashi. She is not completely human, that's for sure.
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>>91973821
You forgot to mention how that somehow makes her strong enough to listerally steamamroll through an entire army
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>>91973821
You forgot the part where Ashi is like 18 and Jack is 70 or something. It would have been better if it was just a small host of enemies, like 20 or 10 or something. Then there could have been an actual fight scene instead of literally punching 1000 orcs to death.
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>>91973856
I swear to God if it turns out Ashi is like a demigod or something im drop the show
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>>91973856
>electric spear*
>machinegun + rocket launcher combo*
FTFY
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>>91973857
They were dumb fucking orcs, stop pretending SJ was ever realistic when it came to fights. It was never about portraying realistic battles.

You're just looking for reasons to shit on Ashi.
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>>91973856
She is a human. She's Genndy's fucking waifu.
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>>91973870
That would be a much more plausible explanation for all the focus and stunts she's pulled other than her just being the "strongest, but lacking focus"
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>>91973867
But the Mother needed more time to sneak up on Jack, so she couldn't just send 10 orcs to distract Ashi
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>>91973876
Nice deflection
>you just hate ashi becuz shes a girl!!!1!
tumblr please
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>>91973894
Are you fucking retarded? I'm saying it would have been better if she took the same amount of time to defeat like 10 or 20 dudes instead of killing an entire army with here bare hands.
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>>91973876
>It was never about portraying realistic battles.
>Jack's first fight with the bugbots lasted a whole episode and he got fucked up while destroying them all
Yeah nah, you're a cunt.
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>>91973672
So having muscles makes you tougher than rock and steel? It's all fantasy.
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>>91973893
No fuck that thats just terrible writing.
Im willing to just accept she got away with all that simply because she is Gennedys waifu
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>>91973888
But genndy already has a cute wife. Someone post her.
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>>91973931
>just terrible writing.
By what metric? It's a supernatural setting, she comes from a cult that worships a demon wizard. It adds up, just because you don't like it for whatever reason doesn't mean it's terrible.
>I'm willing for it to be the whim of the author rather than written justification.
I don't think you know what decent writing is let alone good or terrible.
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>>91973931
Not really bad writing. Considered all the outlandish shit in the series it would make sense that ashi altered her children somehow or fucked aku once. It would explain how four year olds could jump naked into coal or whatever that burning shit was and survive and not be scarred at all.
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>>91973672
>mary sue

Just say "A Character I Don't like". "Mary Sue" has been raped of all meaning, except, maybe, in the cases of fanfic OCs.
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>>91974002
Ashi is pretty much a fanfic OC.
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>>91973857
did you miss the opposite when she forced her way out of metal cuff things?
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>>91974014

Nope. Canon character.
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>>91974014
>fanfic
>made by the creator

Well thats another word robbed of its meaning.
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>>91974014
Ashi has shown to be wrong multiple times and she revolves around Jack's journey, not the other way around

she's anything but a Sue
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>>91974043
>series is dead in the water for years
>revived with a focus on a new girl character who is the best fighter in the world because reasons and also she sees the light in one episode because WHOOPS pacing
Whatever you say, dude. She is a mary sue.
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>>91974066
>mary sue

Nope.
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>>91974016
That only reinforces the bs factor of being strong enough to do that.
I dont even think Jack would have been strong enough to break free from that. He would have to outsmart that red guy
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>>91973642
>yet another SJ thread
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>>91974014
Here's my fanfic it's about Jack getting Amnesia and this badass funny Scottish man helping him out! Yeah he's my OC so what. Please review but only constructively!
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>she fights a whole army
>he makes tea
KINO
I
N
O
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Its a fucking cartoon. Stop obsessing over gender you idiots.
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>>91974066
Ashi is more a Poochie than Mary Sue.
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>>91974066
>best fighter in the world
she got her ass kicked multiple times by jack, was easily capture by the creatures within the monster and got captured easily by the BDSM Power armor guy
are you sure you arnt just projecting to the max anon?
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>>91973931
It wouldn't if its revealed that Aku actually did give Cult leader the hot demon dick.
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>>91974085
No. Jack was strong enough to jump and climb hundreds of feet with a fucking boulder on his back. Jack is crazy strong.
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>>91974085
but that's the way character's absurd talents are normally justified. Display said talent in a low-stakes situation so a bombastic scene later on makes sense
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>>91974114
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>>91973642
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>man is strong enough to destroy entire armies by himself
>woman trains her whole life to be strong enough and skilled enough to kill him
>woman is strong enough to destroy an entire army by herself

Wow, who would have thought.
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she could have beaten the army through the choke point instead of bulldozing through them
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>>91974458
Where was all this retard strength for when she was fighting jack...?
For fuck's sake, her other 6 sisters went through the same training she did, so by your logic 7 of them should have fucking crushed Jack easily.
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>man trains nearly his whole life to be strong enough and skilled enough to kill darkness incarnate
>man is strong enough to destroy entire armies by himself
>woman trains her whole life to be strong enough and skilled enough to kill said man
>woman is strong enough to destroy an entire army by herself
fixed
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>>91973856
>In b4 it's Aku in female form all over again
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What? Did none of these faggots bother to watch episode 1 where she's been literally trained from BIRTH to kill?
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>>91974559
That doesn't explain how she got super human strength though
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>>91974527
not to mention jack blocked the club strike form one of the sisters with his arm.
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Women should be there to support men, and tend to their physical needs while men should be rewarded for learning lessons no more complex than "man, sure is hard sometimes." Genndy must be a miserable fuck of a trillby'd mouthbreather.
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>>91974527
Did you not see them knocking down trees and smashing stone slabs during all of the fights with Jack?

Is a girl swinging a spear and demolishing a two-foot thick tree trunk NOT retard strength?
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>being trained from birth gives you DBZ powers
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>>91973642
The only thing that bothered me about that sequence is

>Ashi runs at orc army
>literally plows through the whole thing in seconds at the start of the fight like it's a Roadrunner cartoon

That and taking no damage, though I guess that might be because of her skimpy outfit.
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>>91974533
The man she was trained to kill happens to be the biggest threat to Aku. Notice how the mother is constantly trying to kill Jack during her fight with Ashi? Ashi was literally trained from birth for at least 17 or 18 years.
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>>91974621
You're a retard.
Im not arguing that she DOESNT have ridiculous superhuman strength she clearly does, im saying how she has it at all is just dumb.

Jack should have suffered a lot broken bones fighting her.
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>>91974651
Ashi being tough does not mean Jack isn't tougher.
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>>91974651
>Jack should have suffered a lot broken bones fighting her

If I had that webm of Jack having his face dragged down a mountain, I would post it here.

As for why she has her strength, we literally don't know yet. For all we know, she has a connection with Aku and it gives her demon powers that she herself is unaware of. Who knows?
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>>91974678
Jack has an excuse for his amazing feats. Hes the MC and literally chosen by gods.

Ashi is just Gennedy's waifu and there is no explanation why she was capable literally running through armies and picking up fucking boulders
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>>91973642
super skilled warrior with 50+ years of skills a motorbike and weapons galore vs a 15 year old teenage girl and her leaf skirt
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>>91974575
>>91974627
https://youtu.be/NIVyOZZBGoQ
https://youtu.be/8eH7GeVd7-8
>multiple kicks, dodges, and punches were powerful due to her skilled training
>grabbed one guy and his armor to push most of his army on the mountain to fall down

Compare Jack fighting the daughters Ashi. They both just learned fighting through experience.

https://youtu.be/qQXpd1GIV1Q
https://youtu.be/8jr_jXn8kbc
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>>91974709
>Ashi is just Gennedy's waifu
More like mother was Aku's waifu
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>>91974732
>>91974732
The mental olympics you people on this board pull to justify poor writing is hilarious
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>>91973931
I see "terrible writing" thrown around a lot on this board, and all it ever means is "I don't like it."
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>>91974747
Okay buddy, how would you write the season?
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>>91974752
Reasonable criticism=/=im just shitting on it because I don't like it
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>>91973931
>wah a killer trained since birth cant match jack's trainning while traveling trhu the world!
3/10 please admit jack is your husbando already, we need to move the disscussion to milf charcoal powered assjobs
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>>91974043
He's not the same man as he was.
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>>91974768
Eliminate Ashi first and foremost. She was just a bad idea, Jack should have stayed alone.
She effectively ruined the pacing of the last few episodes.
Things that could have had their own episodes were squandered and rushed in favor of giving her the spotlight.
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lol at these fuckboys triggered over a women being allowed to do something cool.

I mean my god she was chained up and carried on Jack's back for a whole episode and captured in another. She earned her time to shine. AND she fainted in exhaustion at the end. Apparently anything above total female uselessness cannot be tolerated. To the extent that it's worth sacrificing things like tone and story propulsion (this show is strapped for time as it is) to achieve the adequately useless woman.

And don't kid yourselves, if she was as useless as you claim to want, you would still hate her. For being useless.

I'm glad professionals ignore you kids.
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Jack:
>Trained to fight with every weapon and armor imaginable
>Still manages to constantly win unarmed battles in his underwear

Ashi:
>Trained to fight with nothing but a body suit and karate
>Still manages to win battles with a leaf dress and karate but usually needs Jack to step in

You guys r so smurt
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>>91974555
thankfully it's not. Aku would never help jack get his sword.
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>show where many different humans have taken on a whole army alone, not just jack

>it's suddenly a problem now

I'm willing to accept that Ashi is as strong as Scottsmans Wife, or as the 2 monks, or as the 3 archers, or as the literally nothing that wiped out these guys >>91973852 , or Spartok

Pretty much every major human character has supernatural ability, why is it only a problem for ashi?
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>>91974834
Because hurdurr weeboos
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>>91974805
You're a retard..
So because Ashi is a woman we aren't allowed to criticize the negative impact she has had on the series so far? And if we do, we hate women?
Fuck, this board really is tumblr incarnate.
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>People seriously arguing that a woman plowing through an army of enemies is in any way wrong for SJ
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>>91974791
>Jack should have stayed alone.
Jack could have built up this thread better had it been planned out early on, carried throughout and built well.

For example had Princess Mira's first defeat happened in Season 1 and the two crossed paths once per season since until Jack convinced her like Ashi that she's thinking backwards, she could have filled the position of enemy turned ally by now. Of course she'd be old as shit but hey as a conveniently humans looking alien they could always have her age slower.

With her ambiguous background but demonstrated superiority in the episode they could have bullshit the stuff Ashi's done much easier with someone like her.
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>>91974834
>>91974847

scotsman's wife is a joke character though. you will never see her fight Aku. Ashi however is pretty much as important as Jack is for the plot, for now. Her having insane strength out of nowhere is too ridiculous.
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>>91974791
>Eliminate Ashi
>The only person who gave him hope in the first place
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>>91974805
>She earned her time to shine
This ain't the WWE son.
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>>91974868
So what you're saying is, if a character is not important to the plot it makes sense for them to be powerful, but if a character is important to the plot, then it doesn't make sense for them to be powerful? Is that your reasoning?
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Doesn't this mean that, as Jack defeated Ashi and her six sisters, he's even stronger and better at fighting, and that he could easily destroy that orc army too?
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>>91974872
That's just a plot device that wasn't necessary at all.
Jack could have found hope some other way.
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>/co/ can suspend belief when it involves demons and futuristic robots and gods
>/co/ can't suspend belief when it involves a female assassin who has been training for 2 decades being abnormally strong
>she's not even nearly as strong as the main protagonist

Everytime. Jack shouldn't be able to jump so good either, but he does that too.
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>>91974890
Like?
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>>91974889
Jack could defeat them all without getting bloody or tired like Ashi did. He would probably take them all out in one move by rolling a boulder down their lines or knocking them over like dominoes. I doesn't waste time on peasant shit like that any more.
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>>91974901
Like Jack just meditating and asking that monk where the sword was instead of wandering around for 50 years pointlessly.

Or something that was properly paced since Ashi doesn't exist anymore in this hypothetical scenario.
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>>91974908
Jack hasn't fought an army where he didn't walk away getting injured or tired.
In that robot bug army he fought, he got fairly fucked up, and he had his sword with him.
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Ashi isn't fully fucking human.
You think they just snatched up some random knocked up bitch who happened to be having a fucking litter all the same gender and said "yeah this'll work put 'em into ninja school ladies"
She's fucking demon summoned or Aku fucked her mom or SOME fucking kind of magical bullshit was involved in making the daughters.
It just hasn't been revealed yet because the show is being written for us """"""adults"""""" and they assume we're capable of patience and critical thinking, or at the very least that not ALL of us are shit-smeared retards.
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>>91974932
And he wouldn't have gotten there if it wasn't for Ashi. He would have committed sudoku due to The Omen.
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>>91974768
get rid of Jack's gf have more internal dialog with angry Jack, have more focus on the Scotsman than grandpa turn ghost. For fucksakes we have lost about 4 episodes worth of time to Ashi's development and her depth is about the same as a paper flyer.
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>>91974847
>>91974834
Scotwife is bigger than her husband
Ashi is short anorexic little girl
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>>91974959
If you really believe that then you genuinely are retarded.
Series wouldn't end like that because some waifu no longer exists.
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>Wow, Samurai Jack can slice through armies of robots with just a sword, what a cool guy!
>Wait, is that a WOMAN fighting? In MY cartoons? REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Can /r9k/ leave already?
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>>91974948
This is objectively not true. Did you even watch the show? There are plenty of times where he takes on an army in like a 1 minute establishing scene.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XIfe3aTBMbw

Sometimes jack wipes out a whole army with no effort. Sometimes it's hard. It depends on what the particular situation is, of course.

That orc army, he would have just shit on instantly
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>>91974887
Yes, I'm saying that it doesn't fucking matter. The blue guardian equipped with Jack's sword could also fucking 1v1 Aku and anyone else, or decimate this army barehanded, but nobody cares because he will never do that. The same thing with scotsman's wife. With the sword and getting called fat she could beat Aku considering she is canonically stronger than Scotsman and Jack COMBINED.
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>>91974982
For the entire season, we've been shown by Jack's hallucinations that he can't make it out alone.
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>>91974986
>6 shitty mercanaries is the same as an army
Nah, try again.
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>>91974964
So your logic is that the physically larger you are, the better fighter you are?

Almost every mercenary Samurai Jack fights is much larger than him. Size is irrelevant in Jack universe. It's all about skill.
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It's a cartoon, not real life.
What's the big deal if a girl is abnormally strong?
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>>91974846
The "negative impact" is overblown and most of the complaints are just about the fact that she exists, because people want the show to be like the first four seasons because change is bad.
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>>91974995
Again, that's just a plot device used to justify the inclusion of Ashi.

That would not be an issue if she was scrapped.
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>>91974995
And yet for 50 years he did just that.
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>>91974964
>A fat person is stronger than a person with a normal-sized body
>This is what /co/ actually believes
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>>91975004
> 4 episodes dedicated to her development and several crucial plot points were rushed or dropped because of her
>overblown
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>>91975007
Yeah and it took it's toll. He was on the brink of suicide.
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Much preferred when the show was Samurai Jack and not the adventures of Tara Strong.
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>>91975017
We need to get some morbidly obese people to compete in the olympics. They'll totally shatter all those records held by those thing sprinters and gymnasts with their superior size!
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>>91975025
The way you're talking is that someone put a gun to Gennedy's head and forced him to write in Ashi instead of her being planned from the start of the season

>crucial plot points

The only thing crucial is that Jack beats Aku.
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>>91975017
>smaller guy wins in a fight

this is what autistic basement dwellers who never got in a fight believe
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Guys, the problem is that Ashi was able to take down an army of thousands with nothing but her bare fists. It's kinda stupid even for samurai jack logic. But what also sucked was that it was an unnecessary and distracting B-plot to jack's meditation. Should've just been Ashi Vs Mother. The army was a bit too busy, a bit too distracting and a bit too unrealistic.
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>>91974834
/co/ is just going off of childhood nostalgia memories , they don't actually remember what happened in the original show outside of the youtube clips they watched beforehand.
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>>91975050
>t.deluded fanboy
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>>91974868
>d-doesn't count
Kill yourself immediately
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>>91975071
Also the show is called Samurai Jack not Naked & Angery w/ Ashi, the majority of us havent waited 14 years for Jack to return only to watch this new waifubait character do waifubait things.
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>>91975067
>Boogie2988 could defeat a trained gymnast in a fight

This is what fatties actually believe
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>>91975071
>It's kinda stupid even for samurai jack logic.
No it's not, this is a futuristic fantasy about an immortal samurai fighting wvey evil minion under the sun and winning. The idea of a one man army is very much in line with the show
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>>91974846
Your criticism is shit. It's the level of a 16 year old who's learned to sneer at adverts - "oh real women can't do that so the storytelling is baaad". Forget gender politics, effective stories are not built around that kind of logic mate. You aren't criticising the storytelling at all, and your 'improvements' would make SJ functionally worse.

>>91974882
True but both Samurai Jack and WWE are works of dramatic storytelling and dramatic storytelling rely on cause-and-effect and growth to be effective. In Ashi's story, it was her time to shine.

I'll say it again, I'm glad professionals don't listen to you kids. You all have no clue how stories work.
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>>91975074
No one would be able to do that unless they were some kind of savant.
That would just be weird.
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>>91975071
>It's kinda stupid even for samurai jack logic.

>>91974834

>>91975086
Great argument, really showed me.
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>>91975100
Nah. It's kinda stupid even for Samurai Jack logic.
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>>91975111
I sure did and don't you forget it.
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>>91974956
>>91974956
>>91974956
>>91974956
Stop ignoring this.
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>>91975102
>You aren't criticizing the storytelling at all,
Ive literally been doing exactly that the whole thread.
You're just some dumb tumblrbaby that wants to silence Ashi criticism because "muh girrrl power"
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>>91975111
You have your dumb opinions on it and I have mine. I think it was a bit stupid. It also rushed the entire Mother confrontation, which should've been the whole ashi plot for this episode from the outset.
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>>91975102
>I'm glad professionals don't listen to you kids.
WWE and SJ are written like shit now due to listening to the hype of their own push tho themselves, so great job there.
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>>91975140
Ashi vs the Mother fight should have had its own episode honestly.
How the fuck did she know where Jack was?
How did that army even know?
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>>91975140
>dumb opinions

I quoted a moment in the show proving you wrong
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>>91975116
Why?
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C'mon everyone, can't we just cheer up and get along to know each other? All this fighting can make you wear out your anger.
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>>91975137
Why should we listen to speculative bullshit? Every asshole here has their own idea of what's "really" happening. Many of them have already been proven wrong by previous episodes.
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>>91975067
So if we can find a random 300 pound obese man then he would be able to beat Mike Tyson in his prime because he weighs more?
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Why can't we just have a good time and enjoy the show?
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>>91973642
THAT'S HOW HE LOST HIS SWORD?

fucking WEAK
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>>91973931
>thats just terrible writing
It's perfect though. If it turns out that Aku BLACKED the cult mother it accomplishes two things.
>explains Ashi's superhuman abilities
>makes it so that even though Jack finally beat Aku, he only accomplished it with the indirect help of Aku's power in the form of his daughter
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>>91975165
>can't we just cheer up and get along to know each other
I know /co/ too well, that's the problem It's been on the decline for too long now, I'm not going to humor these idiots any longer.
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>>91975156
>mother never got to meet Aku
>Aku looks at her and says "who are you?"
>Mother explains how she raised daughters from birth to kill Jack
>Aku just looks creeped out and says "you need help lady"

instead she falls off a fucking cliff after a 2 minute fight scene

Ashi's redemption arc is the biggest blunder of this new season which is fine since she's not Samurai Jack
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>>91975165
KILL YOU'RE SELF MY MAN
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>>91975201
Are all you people thinking the cult mother is dead literally fucking retarded? Ashi went off a cliff in a nearly identical fashion.
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>>91975158
Not that anon, but you didn't prove anyone wrong lmfao.
You just linked to a post talking about a joke moment in the series that was not supposed to be taken seriously at all.

Try to explain how training karate since you were born somehow gives you Superhuman strength. And no, "its a cartoon" is not a option.
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>>91975164
Because that's my opinion. It just looked kinda stupid watching a 90lb woman push an army of thousands off a cliff then punch them to death. If that sentence doesn't sound the slightest bit silly to you then idk we just see things differently
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>>91975214
You know, not everyone has read those episode summaries leaked a week ago so yes, many people do actually think she's fucking dead.
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>>91975214
with an arrow through her spine?
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>>91974984

They've been infesting this place for some time now.

Best examples I can recall were that guy who insisted that the female characters who are shown to be compassionate and selfless are inaccurate portrayals of women, while some other guy had an autistic fit about Wonder Woman's "they're my sidekicks" line from the new Justice League cartoon.
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>>91975173
Are you fucking retarded? Do you think weight classes in boxing and other fighting spotrs exist as a joke?
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>>91975217
the same way it gave the kung fu monks the ability to punch through solid rock. And the way training with monkeys for a month lets you jump 20 meters in the air.

Oh, and did you know training in kung fu for a few years lets you turn into an immortal tree man?
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>>91975241
Just because an arrow goes through you does not mean it went through your spine. Also we have no idea if the cult mother is even human.
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>>91975217
>Try to explain how training karate since you were born somehow gives you Superhuman strength. And no, "its a cartoon" is not a option.

The same way Jack can strap a rock to his back for a few days and suddenly jump 20 stories
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>>91975238

What summaries? Only ones I can see are on Wikipedia, and none of them mention anything about Ashi's mother surviving.
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>Jack was SO
>SO
>CLOSE
You know what, fuck the Gods. There's no way you can't be like "yeah man just vent that shit out"
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>>91975202
NOT UNTIL I KILL HIM FIRST
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>>91975217
You are a faggot anon. Samurai Jack is full of cartoon power level logic that makes no sense, you clearly only have a problem with it because it was Ashi. I will admit that it looked dumb when she just plowed through all of them but if Jack did the exact same thing only slashing his sword through them NOBODY would have cared.
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>>91975251
There's a difference between "weight gives you an advantage" and "if a person weighs more, that always in every single situation means they are stronger"

Just because scottsmans wife is obese doesn't mean she is stronger than Ashi, in the same way that an obese300 pound guy wouldn't be stronger than 250 pound Mike Tyson.
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>>91975167
>speculative bullshit
>seven identical females
>born from a nonhuman woman
>exhibited superhuman strength from infancy
>continue to exhibit god like strength and speed in adulthood
>"it's magic"
>speculative bullshit, she's just op

Holy fucking shit 10/10 got me to rage.
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>/co/ nitpicking over power levels in Samurai Jack
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>>91975256

That was some Dragon Ball-tier stuff and I fucking loved it. Reminded me of the time when Krillin and Goku had to train when they were kids by carrying large, heavy turtle shells on their backs and once they removed them they were able to jump really high.
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>>91975253
>>91975246
>trying this hard to explain away how silly the visual of a woman wearing leaf clothes punching a 1000-strong army to death looked

The people on the other side of the fence trying to play power levels are morons too. It just looked dumb, sorry guys.
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>>91973918
He still beat an entire army by himself, you're forgetting Ashi was getting fucked up too.
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>>91975283

Yeah, nah, go back to /r9k/ if you're that anal-ravaged about a cartoon woman beating up cartoon soldiers.
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>>91975167
>>91975279
it's fucking obvious that Ashi will turn out to genuinely be a daughter of Aku and right before Aku dies he says something like "FOOLISH SAMURAI WARRIOR, YOU MAY HAVE DEFEATED ME, BUT YOU ONLY DID SO WITH MY HELP!" because Jack only did it with the help of his daughter.
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>>91975274
this isn't about who can lift more. in a fight, if your opponent outlasts you, they win. which is why bigger people win.
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>>91975291
Ashi got covered in THEIR blood. She was unharmed otherwise.
Thats no where close to getting fucked up.
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>>91975283
It makes sense in the setting. If you don't like the setting why are you still watching the show in the 5th season? You could have stopped at any point from season 1 till now

oh wait you're a memester who didn't know what a samurai jack was until it became a meme on your favorite site facebook/reddit/9gag when they announced a new season
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>>91975299
>dude this scene was awesome holy shit
>yeah ok it just looked dumb
>HAHA WOW GO BACK TO BOARD I DONT LIKE YOR MAD HOLY SHIT
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IT'S A FUCKING CARTOON

RULE OF COOL FAGGOTS
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>>91974791
>Eliminate Ashi first and foremost. She was just a bad idea, Jack should have stayed alone.
Then nothing would ever get done. Episode 1 established that Jack is in an endless cycle of teetering on the edge of suicide until he helps someone and is almost actively avoiding the latter. He's been doing this for years.

Ashi is deeply important to the narrative.
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>>91975305
Yeah, weight and skill are both factors. In samurai jack, skill is a much, much bigger factor.
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>>91975315
did I stutter?
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>>91975318
Only because Gennedy wants her to be.
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>>91975217
>Try to explain this without giving the correct answer

Every time. I bet you also threw an autistic fit when ancient egypt, greece, xiaolin monks and medieval europe coexisted in the pilot.
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>>91975280
>again
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>>91975313
>you're not a REALLLL fan

No I don't like Ashi all that much because of how much time's being taken away from Jack. You know, the guy we've been watching for 4 seasons now? I dont want to see dainty leaflady ninja steamroll armies, I want to watch Jack make tea. Ashi is becoming more forced the longer we see her. I'm allowing you to have your opinion, allow me to have mine. It's just a cartoon.

>>91975318
>the plot can only be written one way and one way only
this is autism
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Why do so many people think she's human?
I don't mean present me with evidence from the show, because we all know that's not the case.
But why are there so many people who think it is?
Do they all live somewhere where there's mercury in the water or something?
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>>91975279
>>91975300
Believe what you want, people thought the Omen would turn out to be a bunch of things only to just be some spook.
Yeah, yeah same graveyard and all, but the point is it was just a samurai ghost nothing more.

People also thought that nuts and bolts meant Jack had been hallucinating people as robots for years because of the insinuation in episode 1 that Jack's hallucinations under stress, only for it to just be stilted vocal foreshadowing of the death of one of the girls, followed by the even more stilted handwave from Ghost Jack's words retconning any instance of Jack harming or killing humans.
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>>91975360
Every single thing Ashi does has been related to Jack
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>>91975350
>she's only inportant to the story because of the stroyteller.
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>>91975381
Thats because of how it's been written.
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>>91973642
At this point, I'm still trying to figure out is she really a "daughter of Aku"

Did her mother do the deed with Aku? Is she a half demon. I mean that would somewhat explain how the daughters could do all that crazy crap the first time we see them and how Ashi killed the orcs so easily.
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>>91975380
But all of that is autism, anon. We were presented with PHYSICAL EVIDENCE of the Daughters being inhuman or half human at most in their very first appearance.
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Wasn't Ashi trained to be a killing machine ever since she was born?
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>>91975279
>nonhuman woman

with what evidence?
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>>91975138
No, you're not. Storytelling is a craft. There's no word here on drama, on tone, on theme, on character arcs, on how Ashi functions in the story as a foil to Jack, or pretty much anything to do with the craft of storytelling. All you've discuss is the feasibility of the events IRL, which is nothing to do with craft and is something a five year old could do.

Useless, boring characters make for shit storytelling, regardless of gender. Why would you actively choose shit and boring women in your entertainment? You cannot be that insecure. These are bad ideas.

I joke about 'you kids, but you do sound kind of young. I mean, you've interpreted criticism of what you're saying as an attempt to silence you, which is hilarious.
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>>91975393
>she takes away from jack
>no everything she does is about jack
>uhh that's just because of how they wrote it

What the fuck is going on
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hmm it's almost like Jack is likable and a good character and Ashi is unlikable and a terrible character hmmm
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>>91975406
to kill one person only; not an army of 1000. But again the problem is in the optics, not the power level. it just looked visually silly to watch a dainty thinn woman kill an army with her fists, regardless of how much training she's had. just looks dumb
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>>91975404
Hundreds of threads and so far every one of these empty long winded discussions has come down to
>It will be explained later/ in the end
or
>It's just a cartoon
We have 3 more episodes, I don't care what the explanation is anymore. Let's just get this over with.
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>>91975423
If you were to write the show to involve ashi less the show would be better. Nobody asked for nor wanted a b plot about ashi fighting an army. I personally wanted more jack tea ASMR
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>>91975423
ARe you seriously rationalizing that if Ashi didn't exist, Jack wouldn't have regained hope some other way because the writers wanted him to...?
What the fuck is going on.
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>>91975404
how? where? a woman giving birth looks a bit weird but it's far from inhuman. wtf are you talking about?
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>>91975408
Did you see the way her fucking arms were shaped? She's like a praying mantis or something.
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>>91975430

And Jack was also trained to kill one person, yet he was still able to fight against literal fucking armies. Stop moving goalposts.
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>>91975360
How is it autism to recognize how the stories been set up?
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>>91975410
>no, you're not

Except I have, you're fucking retarded and you sound like you eat ass.
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>>91975465
See >>91975474
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>>91975465
>>91975408
She's a tiny teenage girl yet she's destroyed every enemy she's faced, she was born in some sort of demon cult, and she was thrown into a fucking burning pit when she was a child and her skin looks fine now
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>>91975446
But the tea scenes work better because of the contrast with the intense fighting.

>>91975455
What the hell? The whole discussion is that Ashi takes away from Jack's plot, when every single moment she has is about Jack.
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>>91975474
>>91975503
>the way genndy stylizes nails means ashi is nonhuman
lmao now THIS is straw-pulling

>>91975476
Jack has a magic sword. Ashi uses her dainty lady fists. It looks dumb because it is dumb. I would think the same thing even if it were jack punching an army to death.

>>91975511
I agree, I liked the contrast, but not the scene. Should've just been ashi v mommy from the outset.
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>>91975410
>I joke about 'you kids, but you do sound kind of young
Jesus H.R. Giger. You know everyone was politely ignoring it, but if you're going to keep capping a nothing personnel at the end of your posts like a forum signature it's going to come across as a complex.
>you've interpreted criticism of what you're saying as an attempt to silence you, which is hilarious.
You've twice now gone on about how glad you are no one listen to "these kids".
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How come Daffy Duck can get blasted in the face with a shotgun and live?

Mary Sue!
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>>91974768
Instead of having Ashi literally bullrush an entire army, have it to where she uses traps or other things to do most of the leg work.
Hell do a 300 and she makes a really narrow walkway and fights them off in smaller numbers.
Then have her notice her mother sneaking around at which point she blocks off the path to slow down the army so she can deal with it.
Mother fight happens but army manages to get passed the blockage.
Jack gets his sword back and then he and Ashi finish the rest off and it ends with them at dawn of the next day and the last line remains the same.

Turning her into fucking Madara wreaks of bullshit.
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I was expecting Ashi to take a shield and a spear/sword/whatever from a dead soldier and use it to fit the rest of the army. I was also expecting her to use the terrain. Like throwing rocks on them, collapsing the path beneath them. Like Jack did in the first episode. And eventually she would fight some of them hand to hand and then they would retreat after being completely demoralized. I also expected the Mother to make sure Ashi is dead before going for Jack.
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>>91975408
>her fucking hands turned into rock-disintegrating claws
>human
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>>91975552
Yeah its almost like that scene was stupid huh?
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How did you retards missed the fact that she was motivated as fuck, because she was protecting her husbando?
The whole point of this scene was to show that threatening Jack pisses Ashi off, because she cares about him.
also
>MUH REALISBM
SJ was always over the top as fuck so complaining about that is beyond retarded.
Did you even watch the original show?
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A better complaint is what the Orc Army and Ashi's mother had in common. It felt extremely contrived for her mother to just appear like that, conveniently ending Ashi's arc.

Just some indication her mother had been watching her, or that the Orcs were paid mercenaries, or have the Army be from the same cult.

But no let's complain about Ashi beating dumb cartoon orcs up.
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>>91975540
I like the idea of her and jack teaming up at the end, instead of it ending exactly like how last week's episode ended

>>91975565
once again nobody is arguing for realism, but the phrase "punching an army to death" makes one think of a comedic scene opposed to the dramatic/action tone they were attempting. The execution was off because watching a woman punch an army to death is hilarious
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>>91975522

>Jack has a magic sword

And has uses other weapons, his fists and martial art skills many times. Again, you're moving goalposts.
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>>91975539
I was watching A Mickey Mouse short the other day, and they had the mouse speak!

Don't they know mice don't have complex enough vocal cords to speak?
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>>91975584
haha when did he punch an army to death? That scene must look retarded too
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>>91975595
>>91975539
>I'll strawman your opinions, you sure look dumb now huh
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>>91975598
Earlier this season vs the woolie handlers

And everyone creamed their jeans
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>>91973898
It's not a deflection. Anon was right. SJ was never realistic.
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>Jack trained all across the world his whole life to fight Aku
>Jack spent 50 years fighting people 10000000x more advanced with technology he has ever seen before

>Ashi has spent her whole life training against her sisters and mom over and over and over and over and over and over

Jack is a well-established fighter with lots of backstory. Ashi is a new character that we're supposed to like who seemingly has no faults except that she was a "bad guy except she's not really a bad guy because she played with a lady bug and looked through a crack in the wall so that makes her a good guy JUST SHUTUP SHE'S NOT A MARY SUE WHY DON'T YOU FUCKING LIKE HER"
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>>91975610
That was in season 1 and he didnt kill anyone, AND the scene was played for laughs, which fits the tone of watching someone beat up an army by punching them.
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>>91975610
That brings up a rather random question, has he ever pommel stroke anyone with his sword before?
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>>91975465
As soon as she popped out all seven kids she stood up, got dressed, "blessed" them, and got to work preparing the other worshippers to train them. And she had identical septuplets, who happened to be female just like she needed them to be. The odds of that happening without medical intervention are basically zero.

So she's either inhuman or only partially human, or Ashi has genetic reason to be as strong as she is. If a woman in real life squeezed out seven kids and then stood up to officiate their marriage to satan I'd 100% trust her factory-raised teenager with an army of robots.
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>>91975607
It's literally what you faggots are doing.

Do you even watch cartoons? What fun is there if you can't get over the top?

If you really cared you would have dropped Jack in S1E1 when he was shot at by machine guns at point blank range and they all missed.
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>>91973642
Jack VS Robots
>Open field
>Had a lot in his arsenal
>Armor
>A motorcycle with spikes
He got swarmed and surrounded

Aishi
>Almost nekkid if not for the leaves
>Orc Army wih spears and shit
>Orc Army in a narrow path
>ON A NARROW PATH
Anons what would happen if you were lined up and someone pushed the first person, wouldn't you all fall?
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>>91975610
you can't be this stupid. how big were the woolie handlers and how big were those orcs?
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>>91975539
>>91975595
>It's a "if I can't argue the point, I'll just deter to some other similar instance" episode
>It's a "if I can't argue what they're saying, I'll just rely on hyperbole and stock reaction images" episode
>It's a "4chan episode"
>It's an "ironic green text rebuttal"episode
sit your hand down, I saw it coming
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>>91975636

It was during the time when Samurai Jack aired on CN, of course he didn't kill those aliens (everyone he ever killed were robots or cyborgs). With show airing on Adult Swim, they now have freedom of showing more intense, brutal battles.
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>>91974066
Just because you keep saying that Ashi is the focus of the new season doesn't make it true, there was 1 episode about her traveling and seeing all the good Jack has done. If you think that is the season focusing on her maybe you should just stop talking since it's obvious you havent watch it at all
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>Implying Ashi exists.
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>>91975653
But then she Superman style pushed through all of them on the path and fought the bulk on the wide field away from the pillar.
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>>91973642

Fight could've been longer and Ashi should've struggled in the fight a bit more. Just like in Jack's first big fight where he faces an army of bug robots, so he prepares traps for it, but still is fighting in a berserk fury with his sword only towards the end.
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>>91975627
except for the 50 years jack has been around it was literally the same backstory minus the traveling part.

he did worse on his first episode, she just had softer targets.
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>>91975651
The scene looked stupid. Punching an army to death looks stupid.

>>91975669
and punching an army to death looks as stupid as it sounds. Just accept that people have opinions you don't.
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>>91975659
There is no point in arguing, it's a cartoon that tries to be cool, if you were a kid you would think it was badass.
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>>91974090
Sounds like a mary sue
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>>91975653

>Anons what would happen if you were lined up and someone pushed the first person, wouldn't you all fall?

Especially if you're caught off guard like the orcs did. They thought they'd be able to trample Ashi, instead she used their leader to push them all off the path.
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>>91975365
muh martial arts

muh physics breaking movement for the sake of kino

muh SJWing that means wymin has to be as good as men with decades of trainning ahead of them
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>>91975617
>Medaka Box has an MC who is written intentionally to be a literal Mary Sue, as "commentary"
>If you criticize the execution or the writer you're told it was always the case and that's what the show's about, so it's fine
Fucking hopeless.
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I thought it was fun watching Ashi wreck those smug orcs. I really like the final fight between her and Mamaku. I enjoyed Jack's passage through the ethereal to find and destroy his problems. I appreciated the gods coming back to give Jack one last push.

Most of you are overthinking a cartoon, that has the most ludicrous story anyways, and you're just whining 'cause you, as men, are too insecure to deal with a female character having development, dealing with her faults, and taking responsibility for the greater good.

I am in no way a waifufag, or a Jackthread spammer, like most of you, but I do appreciate the cartoon for what it is, nothing more, and nothing less. Don't overcomplicate it, just enjoy it, like the original cartoon.
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>>91974103
This
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>>91975655
They were the size of things that needed to lose to the protagonist/s in an over the top way
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>>91975007
yeah and he didn't get shit done and was on the brink of suicide. are you retarded?
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Can we at least agree that the fight scene with the army should've been scrapped so we could've had a longer meditation sequence and Mother showdown, /co/?
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>>91975751
>ANGERY jack trying to blackpill jack by saying things that will make him lose hope
>intercut with mother saying very similar things to Ashi
>Both of them realize at the same time that they dont need these people in their lives and both fight back against them
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>>91975732

This. Autists and /r9k/ fags getting buttblasted over a cartoon, it can only happen on 4chan.
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>>91973642

>people bitching about Ashi
>when the whole show is all about fighting shit

it's a cartoon, it's meant to have exaggerations
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>>91975751
If it was literally just Ashi and the Mother fighting instead of the army it would have been 100 times better.
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>>91974773
>Reasonable criticism
where?

all I see is nitpicking
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>>91975732
You're the one writing paragraphs about it. scanning through this thread most people who didnt like the scene thought it was dumb
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You people don't deserve good cartoons, i'm not going to come back here much after Jack is over.

WILLING. SUSPENSION. OF. DISBELIEF.

Stop asking why Tom and Jerry walk on two legs, Stop asking why Kamina and Simon can throw galaxies.

If you can't get an emotional response from heightened reality, maybe it's time to hang up your hat and read non fiction?
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>>91975743
>he didn't get shit done
That's a result of the plot, not any internal logic.
Ashi telling Jack the obvious doesn't make her integral, literally all those people who spoke to her could have told Jack the same thing before he got to the point of suicidal thinking but neglected to or were conveniently unable to for reasons.

In fact not one of them went to accompany her on her journey to find the Samurai even after hearing he was missing and potentially in danger.
I'm not even going to ask if you're retarded, it would be redundant.
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>>91975796
how ironic
>>
The whole orc army scene was unnecessary though and felt like padding. I'd have prefered if she had fought some of those Aku cultists we saw in the first episode. This bothered me more than Ashi's unrealistic feats of strength in a show with multiple moments of unrealistic feats of strength.
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>>91975799
>STOP DISLIKING THINGS I LIKE!!!!!!!!!!!! YOURE THE BUTTBLASTED ONES, CLEARLY
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>>91973673
Jack was fighting advanced beetle droids that have been tested and upgraded against him time and time again. Ahsi fought a bunch of dirty orcs.
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>>91975816
I AM SILLY
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>>91975807
/thread
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>>91975676
She just push-punch them like the little autistic shit she is, I don't see what's wrong with that.
She had the advantage of terrain.
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>>91975797
I've been lurking these threads since ep 1, to see if I missed anything, references and such.
This is my first time posting, because Samurai Jack's fanbase is as cancerous as Korra's, Steven's, or even Homestuck.
I'll let you guys get back to your waifu discussions, and how a female character is too much for you people, while the main protagonist has done the most ridiculous things, met the most inane characters. This show is about fun, and you guys just fucking despise it for that reason. Grow up, and enjoy a children's cartoon for what it is worth, not for what you want it to be worth.
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>>91975539

Bugs Bunny keeps outsmarting Elmer= Overhyped Mary Sue!
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>>91975845
>ur sgared of sdrong women :DDD
I hate women but that has nothing to do with my dislike for this sequence.
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>>91975845
This.
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>>91975868
Oh really
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link for the episode? I missed it. please.
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>>91975868
It is for most of /co/, trust me, I am sorry for dumping you into the same group as them.
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>>91975751
>>91975773
I just realized that the orc army wasn't meant to kill Jack but was only meant for distracting Aishi.
It was a clever ruse from her mother.
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>>91975868
>I hate women
Opinion discarded
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>>91975882
The sequence looked stupid. A woman punching an army to death looks as stupid as it sounds. If it were played for laughs like the scottman's wife I'd be fine with it, but don't play it straight like im supposed to think ashi is some cool badass. it looks like a female power fantasy because that's what it is lol
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>>91975845
>Grow up, and enjoy a children's cartoon
Fuck me that was a good laugh, thanks.
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>>91975868
>I hate women but that has nothing to do with my dislike for this sequence
>I hate women

Uhhh hate to break this to you buddy, but I'm pretty sure it does.
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>>91975914
>autism doesnt allow me to understand ironic shitposting

such is the life of a /co/ poster
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The problem isn't about ashi taking down the army. If she used her chain weapon thing it would have been fine. But plowing through them like that with her bare hands undermines her character because it shows the writer needed to pull ridiculous strength out of his ass to give her in order to survive that. Not to mention it makes people question whether she is actually human or not. She isn't a likeable character anymore, she is just a plot armored piece of shit now. Like, there is not even a single doubt that jack can beat aku now that he has this superweapon by his side.
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>>91975906
Just go back to /r/redpill
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>>91975927
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>>91975942
Im not even >>91975868 youre just stupid
>>
Where to watch XCVII?
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>when you know it's a troll/bait thread but you keep posting anyway because it's entertaining and people keep coming up with new ways to be aggravating

well done OP
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>>91975816
it turns out you can whine here about stuff you don't like all day WITHOUT flooding the board with threads barely rewording the same opinions - it's called a reply button
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>>91975938

pretty much this. if she had some weapon it would be a neat sequence. but - as other posters have said - the fight scene looked silly
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>>91973642
>when broken down to their barest elements these two things are very similar and there for you should like both
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>>91975807
It would even have made the fight with her mother seem like it didn't come out of nowhere.
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>>91975938
People were questioning if Ashi was human from literally the scene where the babies were being born. People don't think she's Aku spawn because of any physical feats
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>>91975938
>>91975975
Silly is technically correct, but not the right word. Lazy.
That's what this is, Darrick Hackman and the Storyboarders basically came to the conclusion
>We want you to know Ashi's strong, but we don't want to put the effort. So here's how it goes. We put the illusion of an obstacle in front of her, it is actually harmless and she goes through it. Not over or around. Because we've lampshaded this aspect of her character you can not reproach it. Also here's her mother to provide some quick tension before the episode ends.
And it was so, less work for them now.
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>>91975540
This is a much better way to handle it.
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All they had to do was have Ashi use a boulder to kill the soldiers on the mountain and then grab one of the hundreds of fucking spears to fight the rest and it would have been perfectly fine. It was still a good episode though, I hate how people think that one bad scene ruins the entire movie/episode in everything, the only actually bad episode as a whole in this season was last week's, it sucked. Last week's episode was blatant filler in a season that is already strapped for time and sometimes rushed and served no purpose other than "DUDE REMEMBER THEEESE GUYS?"
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>>91975927
how did shitposting become so popular here, though
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>>91976071
No it's not, this is Samurai Jack not home alone. Defeating impossible odds is a staple of the series.
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>>91974847
She's a mountain of a woman. Also Celtic magic laddie. Ashi is just a twig.
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>>91976101
it doesnt make sense tho, hes had literally decades to come up with a perfect finish, no fillers required. The redemption to sword had so much potential, what a fucking waste
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>>91975845
>Grow up, and enjoy a children's cartoon
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>>91974847

That was done as a joke.
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You guys don't get it do you? Ashi is so OP and has so much focus on her because SHE'S GOING TO BE THE NEXT SAMURAI when Jack dies or goes back to the past. She's Jack's apprentice.
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>>91974984
>You can't critique it because the character is a woman.

Sorry, doesn't work like that.
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>>91975074
Watched the whole series in the weeks before the first episode of this season aired.
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>>91976226
That's be the dumbest shit and a complete fuck you to the original fans.

So I fully expect it to happen
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>>91975299
>This scene didn't work for me and the character feels off.
>FUCK OFF YOU HATE WOMEN!
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>>91975346
>Did I stutter?

Yes. Now fuck off my board.
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>>91975540
>>91976071
>>91976111
This is pretty decent. Better than what we got for sure.
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>>91976226
Or maybe she's the one who will go to the past, while Jack will stay in the future?
If Jack came back the sudden aging process might instakill him.
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>>91975283
>muh realism
Kys.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cF3ocZu4cZo
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>>91975845
I'd hate Ashii if she was a boy Jack took under his wing.
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>>91973642
I had a massive boner that entire scene as she murdered the not-orcs.

Everyone's bitching for no reason.
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>>91976320
>jack and the guardian stay behind to fend off Aku so that Ashi can get into the last time portal
>ashi kills aku in the past, the aku that jack is fighting and the guardian crumble to dust
>the background fades away to pure white
>a look of complete and utter peace overtakes Jacks face, and he slowly begins to fade into nothing as his timeline disintegrates
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>>91976454
>he slowly begins to fade into nothing as his timeline disintegrates
How is Ashi killing past Aku if her timeline doesn't exist?
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>>91975906
>it looks like a female power fantasy because that's what it is lol
So what?
It's not like she's making speeches about muh ebil patriarchy or anything, she's just beating the fuck out of a bunch of orcs to protect the guy she cares about. That's hardly feminist.
>>91975868
Back to /pol/, you autistic cuck.
Don't try to sell your mommy issues and MGTOW retardation as legitimate criticism because it's laughable.
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>>91976487
fag
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>>91973642
Are we just gonna ignore that a 50+ year-old ram horn was on-par with a metal knife and could stab through a stone slab and not break?
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>>91976485
THIS
>>91976454
>>91976320
Y'all are dumb as fuck.

Jack is most likely going to kill present/future Aku and then find a way to die himself, leaving Ashi as the new Samurai. He'll never undo the timeline knowing that it'll erase Ashi.
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>>91973847
You forgot Ashi was trained to murder the fuck out of everything in her path and could keep up and even nearly beat Jack in the same state he was in when he beat an entire army of robots
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>>91976518
ew
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>>91974984
it's a special sword. The weapons he used in this season break all the time
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>>91976515
No, I thought about it but by that point so much bull had already happened it was just one more plop atop a mound. No real sense digging it out for special attention.
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>>91974898
its almost as if this board is full of perpetually salty manchildren
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>>91976501
>>91976525
Are you twelve?
>inb4 lelele i trolled you xDDD
>>91976518
Who says timelines get ereasad at all? Maybe they can exist independently?
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>>91975264
Nay, if you're a warrior of the gods with a divine mission of righteousness, you literally have to be exact in your actions. Gods don't give a shit about human emotions, all they saw was their divine warrior murder a bunch of innocent animals (in Jack's mind at least) and let his silly human feelings cloud his mind. So they slapped him with a ban until he got over his little mortal hissy fit and got back to work.
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>Jack can run through whole armies on his own and suffer a few scratches
>When he fights "special robots" or normal living enemies in smaller numbers he is pushed to his limits in many situations
OH MAN THESE POWER LEVELS ARE SO INCONSISTENT, CAN GENDY PLEASE JUST GO DIE IN A DITCH FOR NOT ABIDING BY MY DEMANDS FOR POWER LEVELS
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WE AIN'T HAD NUFFIN BUT MAGGOTY BREAD FOR FREE STINKIN' DAYS!
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>>91976735
>zits/pimples
>hiding behind masks
>bad teeth
>hivemind laugh
I think they were making fun of /co/'s reaction to Ashi's existence.
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>>91976735
LOOKS LIKE SQUIRREL IS BACK ON THE MENU, BOYS
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>>91973642
I was her expecting her to push boulders or something, that would make sense.
it's was way more bulshit than jack's fights.

>>91973832
kek
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>>91976773
this episode was finished before the season even started airing

do you seriously think that they make each episode in the time span of 1 week?
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>>91976773
Are you retarded or baiting?
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>>91973642
Nothing wrong with it I guess, but I was expecting her to drop rocks and stuff on them as they came up the mountain path instead of going all Dynasty Warriors on them. Kinda disappointed to be honest.
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>>91974782
Except she literally can't match his training. If the fact that he manhandled the sisters when he got his shit together doesn't convince you then consider this: Jack trained with some of the best fighters the world have to offer. Fighters that Aku very likely wiped out, assuming their cultures weren't simply lost to the annals of time, meaning they can't be replicated. Compare that to ninja cave training that primarily involved getting one's ass kicked while you mother screams on about Aku while furiously masterbating in the corner.
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This whole thing reeks of either idiots being mad that a girl did this, or it's people who can't help but overthink a very simple and unrealistic cartoon.

It has always been this way. This is as close to old SJ as you can get. You're just old, bitter, and try to apply your adult mindest to something that doesn't fit it.
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>>91974834
>Ashi
>Beating Scotswoman Prime

No. Jack was afraid of Scotswoman, and he can beat Ashi.
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>>91976487
Again:

>How DARE someone not like Ashi! They must be evil nazi misogynists!
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>Man in his early 20's adapts to 3000-year shift in climate and diseases in order to successfully fend off armies of machines he's never fought before and an ethereal being of darkness he's only fought once.
>Nobody bats an eye.
>Teenage girl literally bred for battle and forced into combat and stealth training every single day of her life manages to fight a few robots on her own.
>Mfw.
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>>91976897
You do realize that since Jack is basically above everything, power-wise, she can be under him, but still above everything else, right?

Also you're trying to rationalize way too much about fictional cartoon super humans who train in weird settings to fight monsters.
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>People thought Ashi would lose to a faceless army of literally who mooks

Hello and welcome, to your first action anything ever
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>>91976920
YOU WOULD HAVE TO BE. ASHI IS LITERALLY PERFECT.
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>>91976900
or they're just sexists
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>>91976897

Ashi is on the power level of young Jack from Season 1 right now, clearly. He destroyed an entire robot army on his own as well.

The only real problem is the fight sequence is a bit lazy, like they had to rush it. When Jack destroys the robots in the first 3 episodes, theres an entire episode dedicated to preparing for the fight with traps, and then the fight itself.

Honestly they should've made an entire episode dedicated to her defeating an army of her own with great difficulty.
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>complaining about realistic physics in a world where jumping with rocks on your back will eventually give you supernatural Hulk leaps

Even by /co/ standards this argument is retarded. I agree there was too much mook killing and not enough focus on Ashi/Priestess battle, but complaining that Samurai Jack isn't running on real-world logic is ridiculous.
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>>91973856
What about all the other times jack has solod an army?
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She is strongest assassin and passed out from exhaustion afterwards.
If it was Jack he would have beaten everyone without breaking a sweat in less than a minute.

I don't see why people get so worked up over something as simple.
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>>91976897
No one is saying Ashi matches Jack's training, but she was taught to fight and kill with nary more than her hands since she was able to walk. Yeah, she and her sisters couldn't match Jack, but that doesn't mean they aren't complete murder machines on their own. They could smash stone and topple trees with their strikes, and when Jack was scared to fight them, they moved like fucking lightning. Ashi is a living weapon honed to fight and kill Jack. Yes, she didn't succeed, but that doesn't stop her from still being a death machine on two legs up against an army of stupid orcs armed with just spears
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>scotsmans wife literally bites and eat a robot

wtf, no explanation, such a mary sue
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Seemed perfectly fine to me. Those guys seemed like weaklings anyway. Jack would destroyed even more effortlessly.
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>>91974526
This
If she was trained from birth to fight I would hope she understands some basic tactical advantages like higher ground and choke points.
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>>91977037

>Nothing more than Gynocentric SHIT. And /co/ loves Gynocentric shit.

Jack beat her up rather effortlessly.
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>>91977010
>He destroyed an entire robot army on his own as well.

WITH PREP TIME
AND HE DID NOT COME OUT UNSCATHED

WHY IS THIS SO HARD FOR PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND

THE ARMY SERVED NO FUCKING PURPOSE
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>>91974868
>. you will never see her fight Aku.
>Samurai Jack finale happens
>Jack and Aku faceoff
>Scotwife turns up and beats Aku to death for killing her husband
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>>91974527
>so by your logic 7 of them should have fucking crushed Jack easily

Uhhh they did.


Jack only won by using stealth to cut down their numbers, and then terrain to make them fight him one on one.

When they were fighting as a unit jack was their bitch
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>>91977037
Jack has never fought an army of living things, he's always fought robots designed to kill him, so when Jack is fighting large groups he's up against something far more deadly than a bunch of spear wielding orcs. Not only that, he fights robots with his magic sword, and the most damage he usually sustains is some scratches and torn clothes.

If Jack had fought the orcs he would have decimated them just as easily as Ashi did, likely without getting hurt at all or breaking a sweat.
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>>91977098

>THE ARMY SERVED NO FUCKING PURPOSE

It served to comedically contrast the bloody barbarity of her battle with the tranquillity of Jack making tea.
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>>91974627
In samurai jack

Yeah it dose.
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>>91976523
You forgot Ashi doesn't even know what a deer is and has been in a fucking cave all her life. Stop defending bad writing.
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>>91974898
People are acting as if Ashi defeating a bunch of brittle arthritic rigor-mortis looking mooks who apparently live off squirrels and are dopey as hell means she is going to somehow usurp Jack's role, despite him both killing her sisters and defeating her, and the fact that he is literally chosen by the gods to kill Aku and gains his own sword in this very episode.

This is a great show but half the fanbase fucking ruins it.
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>7 sisters trained to fight a samurai known to be a force of nature
>nearly took him out
>can't pull off the same stunts he's capable of
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>>91977098
>An army of death robots=Fresh Future Jack+Preptime=A few scratches in the end but still walk away without missing a beat

>An army of dumb aliens with spears+Ashi's mother=Ashi+bare hands=exhausted enough to pass out on the spot

I don't see whats wrong with this situatiuon.
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>>91974982
Jack has survived due to circumstantial bullshit in half the episodes anyway. You might as well argue that if those Atlantean guys with bad Beatles accents didn't go back to save him from Aku he would have died in the first season.
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>>91977171
You forgot Ashi's mother and the rest of the cult clearly trained Ashi and her sisters in the use of tracked and hunting, since they knew to follow the river, and track Jack down even in that tomb. Not to mention they all had insane stamina, as they were only shown to stop and rest for a single night, and were never shown eating when they hunted Jack
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>>91975071
Reminder that Jack took down Ashi and 2 of her sisters with nothing but his bare fists.
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>>91974948
He suffered no more damage then ashi did
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>>91975540
That could also be a good callback to Season 1 Episode 3, that's what I though was going to happen and I agree with you, it should have happened.

>>91976111
Did you actually watch the series? The third episode is spent setting up traps and stuff.
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>>91975540
>wreaks
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>>91977177
>Few scratches
My god are you people retarded.
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>>91977136
This ^^^^


The whole point was for the comedic value, the real fight which people should complain about was against her mom.
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>>91977272
All I see are scratches and oil, and he's still standing. Ashi passed out from getting a bunch of rocks dropped on her
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>>91973898
he's right though.
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>>91975224
No more silly then a scrawny asian man surviving being crushed by 400 ton sumo wrestler
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Nerds are sexist

Get over it
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>>91977237
Ashi didn't suffer any injuries, Jack had his armor torn off, and cuts all over his body the fuck are you on about?
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>>91977376
>Ashi however is written by an emasculated mangina fuckwit so her bare hands are enough and she shall never be harmed or restrained against a large group. Female characters, a shit.
I'm starting to sense some bias
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>>91977308
Are you really going to make me post the entire episode on here to prove you wrong? He was donning full armor before this fight as well.

She passed out after fighting an army and THEN FIGHTING HER MOTHER MOMENTS from each other
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I just find Ashi to be super fucking boring still.
I feel that the 10 episode limit to finish off SJ pretty much squandered her potential as a character
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>>91977428
Ashi didn't get hit, thats why she didn't suffer any damage. But notice the instant she took any damage, ie the rocks falling on her, she was out. Ashi and her sisters are strong, and fast, but they are complete push overs when they get hit, the literal definitions of Glass Canons. Jack is fast, strong and tough, which is why he can go up against ROBOTS DESIGNED TO KILL and walk away with just some scratches
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>>91977484
>*wipes dust off old battered sign*
>*action*
Please fuck off and never come back
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Personally I only got an issue with the bit where she bull rushed her way down the mountain pushing the orcs aside like they were bowling pins.

If they had had a scene where she did the whole flurry of punches shit, knocking every orc that stepped forward off the mountain that woulda looked a little better IMO.

Then she hops down the mountain, lands in middle of orc pile and fight carries on as normal.
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>>91977432
Not to mention that he also had several traps prepared, a few different weapons, and was riding into battle on a steed. He was still sliced up and was barely standing at the end of it all, and that was just generic mook bugbots.
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>>91975508
Dude your real world physics mean nothing

Ashi is humann

shes that strong because training same as jack.

Deal with it
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>>91974846
Then why don't you go somewhere else?
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>>91974887
It's the famous Tom Bombadil defence.
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>>91977098
>THE ARMY SERVED NO FUCKING PURPOSE
Yes it did, you moron
Distracion for Ashi while her mother sneaked up on Jack
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>>91977512
I was here first
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>>91973642
Didn't have a problem with it. Beetles are so far below Jack (and the Daughters) at this point that their rough equivalent in some orcs weren't gonna do any better. I mean, they were literally meat dudes wearing armor and using pikes.

Ashi seems to be about as good as the Scotsman was in his prime, though Jack has certainly gotten stronger. I don't think anyone expected the orcs to do anything, either - I'm pretty sure the High Priestess just wanted them to distract Jack long enough that she could get her shot in.
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>>91977509
>shes that strong because training same as jack.
This is objectively wrong
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>>91977432
You are comparing the army Ashi fought with the army Jack fought though. The only comparison to make is the size. Ashi was fighting a bunch of stupid orcs with spears and basic armor, plus her mother who was unarmored and only used a dagger and arrows. Jack was fighting a bunch of robots designed for war and slaughter, decked out with some pretty rad armor, covered in blades, and likely designed to strike faster and harder than any normal mortal.

So again, Jack lost some armor, and got some cuts, but was still standing in the end. Ashi was fast enough to avoid any of the spears (and spears are fucking shit at close range, so her being among the army itself helped avoid those) and fought her mother, and the only damage she suffered was a bunch of rocks falling on her, which was enough to knock her out.

I'm not seeing any issues with this.
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>>91977480
>Ashi didn't get hit
No shit smartass.
Explain how she is so untouchable. Love to see the mental gymnastics you pull for this one.
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>>91973642
her pushing through the army was a greater feat of strength than we have ever seen jack do
it was bullshit
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>>91977499
Well she's strong enough to tear through trees and smash thick stone, the orcs were on a downhill slope, and she was using one as a barrier to protect herself and increase surface area.
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The issue is this is the second time they've done this

ugly dumb man taunts Ashi by being the biggest strawman ever, saying she's nothing but a cute dainty little pretty girl, and proceeds to laugh at her. The entire army this time.

Then she gets all EPIC and becomes overpowered. Two fucking times. There's many connected issues like how she comes out decent, such as breaking free of the giant clamps on her feet and hands and being electrocuted, and here taking out an army as far as the eye can see.

Its not necessarily Mary Sue but it's glaring that they're doing stupid shit with her beating down dumb ugly strawmen by becoming overpowered in instances where she shouldn't be able to win, instigated by being demeaned because of being a cute woman.

Also it seems like they only give her battle wounds when they want her to look SO BADASS like after the fights where she poses rather than just getting them as a character model change and not making it some big deal.
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>>91974998
>ignores the actual army he defeats in the clip.

Apply yourself
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>>91974834
Because /co/ loves shitposting and they smelled blood in the water when people got defensive about Ashi, so now they're going all out.
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>>91977098

Yeah, which I already stated in my post. Learn to read you fucking cretin.
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>>91977590
>Fast enough to match Jack, who is shown to be fast enough to out pace robots
>Small and lithe, a harder target to hit
>Closes range against a mass of enemies wielding spears, thus crippling her opponents major fighting power
>Shes a fucking cartoon character
Yeah, gymnastics.
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>>91975091
the entitlement is strong in this one
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>>91977635
How many times did opponents mock Jack for being some tiny man with a dinky sword, sandals and straw hat, wearing a dress.?
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>where do you thunk YOU'RE going
>I'm going to stop you
>yep
>im waiting
I have no images to express my maximum distaste
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>>91977635
>Also it seems like they only give her battle wounds when they want her to look SO BADASS like after the fights where she poses rather than just getting them as a character model change and not making it some big deal.
So...like every single time Jack was ever hurt?
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>>91977428

Jack had a few scratches then walked away

Ashi had a few scratches then passsed out

Your being retarded
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>>91977579
>All this fucking denial
>still thinks it was some scratches

Jesus Christ.
EVERYONE was expecting this episode to turn out differently, There was no fucking way ashi was able to hold off an army on her own. We were expecting Jack to get the sword and save her from death. Jack fought off armies but he received help, ASHI RECEIVED NO HELP AND WENT TO FIGHT A EVEN TOUGHER FIGHT. Literally no one has done this except for her. And he lost ALL.

This discussion is pointless, there's no use into talking with dumb waifufags.

Just waiting for Jack to die so Ashi takes up the mantle and kills Aku.
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>>91977712
She doesnt have a lot of experience shit talking.
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>>91973642
not muh Jack

It is kind of stupid that she fought the army and then her mother and left both without a scratch
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>>91977023
Even the first time he did it, in episode 2, not only he didn't make It unscratched, he had to use strategy and plenty of heavy machinery. Ashi Just jumps in the middle of them without weapons and defeated them.

Hell, it's not even physically coherent what is happening. She pushes, like, 200 of them at the beginning and they are clearly gravidez than her.
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>>91977579
Shes a woman Reeeeeeeeeeeeeee
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>>91977702
Not him but that's not the same as attacking their gender.
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>>91977727
>Everyone was expecting
I dont see how your expectations being wrong ruins the episode.

Also Ashi's mother didn't seem that tough, she was just a taller Ashi with a knife. Ashi's entire training was built around being able to kill the older members of the cult, and I doubt Ashi's mother was much stronger than the others.
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>>91977727

Beetle-shaped robots 3 times bigger than Jack > A bunch of ugly morons with spears.
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>>91974559
I can't not look at this picture and immediately hear the Powderpuff Girl theme song.
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I don't know why the fuck you people are complaining about Ashi defeating the Orc army when all it establishes is that it's a weak group in over their heads. And I can't help but laugh at people saying that Jack would get hurt if it were him that was fighting them. If Ashi could defeat them, Jack would have completely annihilated them.

Also lol at calling her a mary sue when she's actually been injured quite a few times in the season. Even in that fight, you can tell she has a fault developing: her anger. She doesn't know how to properly control her rage.
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>>91977791
Well theres not much else they could say about Ashi, she was just wearing a leaf dress. To them she was a dumb, scrawny girl who thinks she can stand up to an army. To Jack's enemies, he was a dumb, scrawny guy with a silly little sword who thinks he can stand up to Aku. Whether it was what they were wearing, or their gender, they both "strawman" as you so put it, against their opponent, only for Jack/Ashi to lay them low
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Wait I'm sorry. People are assuming these dudes are even as strong as the bettle army? How do we even know that for sure? ANd people are choosing NOW to doubt her abilies of any of the girls after fucking episode 2?

If anything they've been nerfed. Fuckers were lightning 2 fast for Jack.
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>>91977787
And unlike jack aish didnt just strut away when she was done.

And thats ignoring all the other times jack fought armies

Or how about when jacks dad did
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>>91977551
Sorry I was thrown through a time portal 14 years ago so i missed the start of the thread. i still think you should consider whether partaking in this debate is good for your bloodpressure and indeed whether anyone ever benefits from hearing your opinion.
have a nice day.
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>>91977825
>lol
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>>91977852
To be fair, Jack was not in his right mind when he first encountered them, so they looked that fast to him cause he was doubting himself. But that only means when he focused, he was faster than their lightning fast speed.
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>>91973642
>Jack uses an arsenal of weapons and a sweet bike
>Ashi does it with her bare hands

That's the difference.
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>>91977496
*bang*
"oh no Kirby shot me"
*dies in agony*
"M-mother?"
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>>91977787

>Hell, it's not even physically coherent what is happening. She pushes, like, 200 of them at the beginning and they are clearly gravidez than her.

Did I somehow miss all the previous episodes of Samurai Jack that functioned by real world physics?

Remember Jump Good? Or that episode where jack took out like six assassins in the space of time it took for a drop of water to hit the ground?
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>>91977635
>There's many connected issues like how she comes out decent, such as breaking free of the giant clamps on her feet and hands and being electrocuted,
The whole clamp thing and electrocution thing establishes that she can withstand large amounts of pain because of how she was treated during her childhood. They even showed in the fucking first episode that she could withstand tremendous amount of pain. Do you not remember the mother crushing her hand with the staff as she hung off the side of the ledge of the pillar? Her being able to tolerate pain doesn't come out of no where, it's already been established.
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>>91977902
I guess you could always leave it to the regular /co/ user to be painfully unfunny
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>>91977787
>Hell, it's not even physically coherent what is happening. She pushes, like, 200 of them at the beginning and they are clearly gravidez than her.

Samurai Jack has always been such a realistic show when it comes to fighting scenes.

https://youtu.be/XIfe3aTBMbw
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>>91977896
>Jack was fighting an army of giant robots built specifically to kill him
>Ashi was against a bunch of fodder orcs

That's the difference
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>>91977851
I said I wasnt him, I'm just joining the discussion because I saw it. Yea he was being a strawman setting himself up way too far in a rather dumb way. And the difference here is the use of stereotypes with her being cute, pretty and being female means weak
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>>91977895
Jack was still one shotted the mother of all beetle drones then. These Orcs appear to be MUCH worse than regular Bettles.
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>>91977896
Because Jack never beat anyone without using his arsenal of weapons? also do you assume that the two armies are exactly equally strong despite one consisting of tank-size robots and the other of orcs with medieval weaponry?
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>>91977724
That was from a completely different fight which made it even more ridiculous because it was one on one.
stop moving goalposts
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>>91975003
> 1000 times this
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>>91977958
See look at that, Jack fights an entire army of killer robots, doesn't even damage his clothes.
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>>91978000
>Because Jack never beat anyone without using his arsenal of weapons

not a whole army
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>>91977974
Oh my bad. Well look at them, do you really think those orcs would believe in equality of the sexes? Not to mention they got really mad because Ashi practically dared them to attack, not really the smartest and most level headed fellas.
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>>91977919
>mother pushing a stick on her fingers
>metal clamps bigger than her body
and its less about the pain and more that she was able to break free and have her hands and feet fully functional after not even air able to get through those clamps
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>>91978000
>Because Jack never beat anyone without using his arsenal of weapons?

I mean, fuck, Jack beat an army of Aku's 'best bounty hunters yet' with a fucking stick. He didn't even try, and only threw a real weapon at the end to finish off their combo form in a single hit.

And that was Jack decades ago, presumably not as honed.
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>>91978020
numbers alone is not an advantage here. The orcs were all like flys. Ashi's mom would tear through them as well.

Stuff like this has happened in the series since season 1. The Bettle Army from the first three episodes is no longer a threat to just about any decent fighting character in the series afterwards either.
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>>91977937
>regular /co/ user

I'm actually more of a tumblr person, i just come hear to laugh at your petty squables and do some falseflagging.
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>>91977976
Worse as in weak enemies, or worse as in a bigger threat?
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>>91978060
i dispute this.
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>>91978080
No problem, i don't think he's responded yet anyway. And its more about how its written that way, being the issue.
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>>91978109
as in weak. Sorry i could see why that would be confusing. Hell no they aren't good robot level.
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>>91978081
>A whole lifetime of pain and torture
>Also super human strength
There ya go
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>>91978122
when? Legitimately asking here, I don't remember him ever doing that.
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>>91978102
How awful, I guess it's no surprise why /co/ is the worst board on this site
also >come hear
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>>91977958
>>91978050
I'm sure what point you're trying to get across here. That scene is clearly a joke scene.
In that same episode he gets nearly overwhelmed by zombies and then almost killed by Aku
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>>91978123
Yeah, I get it, it's a pretty cliche set up, but in context it's reasonable.
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>>91977635
it sounds like your projecting some personal issues, because nothing in SJ has ever been especially focused on "female badassery"
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>>91975305
don't really care at this point, but your statement doesn't make any sense. are you implying that people with larger bodies will be likely to have more stamina? that might just be the stupidest thing iv'e ever read.
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>>91978145
Yes, and in some episodes Jack can cut through whole armies, while in another he is pushed to his limits fighting a very small group of robots, or a single enemy. I think the point to take away is theres no such thing as power levels in Samurai Jack, and getting butt flustered over a character doing incredible feats is silly, even by /co/ standards
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>>91978145
canonically dumb orcs =/= summoned zombie warriors

assassin =/= Aku
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You have to admit it's pretty stupid no matter what even if Jack could or could not have done it the same it just feels worse because in this day and age a woman can't do anything without it seeming like pandering because pandering to women about being strong and smart has become such a huge aspect in and out of media
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>>91973856
>thicc cult leader
Stop this meme. She's not thicc.
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>>91977958
these are clever though, the army is taken down by their own incompetence, Jack doesn't just punch his way through them with his barehands.
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>>91978200
yeah this. First thing the Zombies do is a cheap shot by lobbing the sword. Those Zombies knew some shit.
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>>91978060

Except the blue monkey dudes in the Woolies episode.

Or an army of space bugs
or an army of mercenaries
or an army of french empire robot cats riding flying bugs.
or an army of crocodile robots and hillbillies
or an army of red gorillas
or the slaves of Demongo
or an army of zombies.
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>>91978132
the obvious answer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XIfe3aTBMbw
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>>91974090
Except those were possibly the best Jack episodes ever, while the new season is literal shit.

Writing quality matters a lot.
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>beetlebots poorly made that have no sentience and can explode by tripping over something
>an army that covers the land of orcs with weapons, armor, sentience, and able to form ideas
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>>91974898
>>91976588
>>91977173

This new season was a mistake...
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>>91978256
>or an army of french empire robot cats riding flying bugs.

Those guys were so stupid that they were fucking amazing.
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>>91978134
Ah i seemed to have misclicked on my windows phone which is only device with which i ever browse this site. Thank you for pointing out my error. cute pic by the way.
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>>91975540
This would've been bretty gud.
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>>91978313
It really, really, really was.
Not for the reasons you think though, idiot anon.
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>>91978338

What was that for? What was the reasons I was thinking then since we hive mind?
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>>91978308
>Machines designed to conquer, slaughter and fight, bristling with weapons and coated in thick, advanced armor
>An army of morons with some spears and plate mail
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Season would be better without Ashi. Shes the cause of the only issues said in these threads, legit or not.

Also Ashi is 97% of the fandom. Episode was good? Because Ashi was naked. Episode was average or below? Because Ashi ruined the pacing by giving the 20 minute episodes twice as much to focus on.

If she wasn't around itd be less of a hassle in and out of the series
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>>91978395
Except we've known for 5 seasons that the bots aren't advanced and it only gets easier to defeat them because they're never made differently.
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>>91978440
So, the only reason you want her out is cause a bunch of autists on a Peruvian Etch-a-Sketch note wall are all flustered about her?
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>>91978256
Don't forget the robots from Samurai vs Samurai. He beat them with a stick.
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>>91977769
>left both without a scratch
Anon, I...
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>>91978471
Except we know that they are Aku's main fighting force and have slaughtered countless societies, and only lose against Jack and individuals on Jack's level.
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>>91978487
I said in and out. There are genuine issues with her. There are dumb ones too that don't matter. The fact people here hate it was part of the out section of what I said.
>>
Holy shit! You guys are autistic!
She just muda muda the orc dudes
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>>91978256
Pretty sure he at least had his magic sword for all of those? Doesn't sound unarmed to me.
>>91978262
>robots destroy themselves due to their own incompetence in a funny way
>the same as one person literally pushing an army down a hill with their barehands and punching them all to death


this is just sad
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>>91978503
Mild kek.
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>>91978534
Stop cherrypicking. Most societies are helpless. And them being Aku's main forces are the humor in it, that they're so pathetic and never change no matter how many times they don't work.
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I just hate her shitty expressions when she fights. And her passing out at the end was dumb looking
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>>91978608

>Pretty sure he at least had his magic sword for all of those? Doesn't sound unarmed to me.

Arsenal implies more weapons than one. One sword is not an arsenal.
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>>91978706
I hate the diadem she's wearing. It makes her look like a neandarthal.
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>>91975728
The funny thing is that, while the manga was written to "explore the meta" behind such a character, not even Medaka can be called a true mary sue, since her character completely deviates from the concept on the second part of the manga.
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>>91975165
They let their red jack consume them, just let them be and enjoy the show.
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>>91973642
ASHI SO GOOD
OH
ASHI! HERE COME DAT ASHI
WHAT'S THIS? ASHI AGAIN
I FUCKING LOVE ASHI SHOW, MAN, I HOPE SHE DESTROYS AKU
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>>91978735
Alright, but it's still far fucking stupider to defeat an entire army barehanded. You can't deny that.

You can at least make some excuses for the magic destined sword that cuts through everything like butter.
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>ITT: Guys that can't get laid being reminded that women exist
There's not a single issue with Ashi. If you have an issue with her it's because you're projecting. She hasn't ruined anything and you're just men scared of a vagina. You presumably are fine with boobs because you have big ones I'm sure. Stop infesting this board with projection and stop making threads about it.

She's female, so fucking what?
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>>91976847
>>91976848
He was obviously joking you fags.
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>>91973642
i didn't like that jack was fully armed while ashi was naked this entire time
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>>91979244
I think you're missing the point entirely, it is not about her gender but how inconsistent her strength is in comparison to other characters in the show.
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>>91979244
>t. female who misses the point entirely
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>>91979215
meh, doesn't really strike me as all that important. If you insist on having it ruin the show for you then go ahead, but don't expect any sympathy.
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>>91979215

Jack has beaten a far more dangerous army of assassin robots with a bamboo stick.

The fight is just a bit lazy, they could've extended it and make it more detailed back & forth kind of exciting deal, thats the only thing wrong in it.

Ashi being on the powerlevel of young Season 1 Jack makes sense. Still miles away from the current Jack with 50+ years of constant fighting experience.
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>This robot is stronger than an entire army
>>
This has been beaten to death by this point but I just want to add my thoughts.

To me, it seemed like complete bullshit, because the way Ashi took them on was weird and something that we've never even seen Jack do. She literally pushed them all off the mountain completely unarmed, then proceeded to kill or severely harm pretty much all thousands of them.

Whenever Jack took on serious numbers, at least he got hurt or wounded at some point. His clothes would get torn off or a creature would slash his back or something. Ashi was at no point hurt. There was no tension there.

Secondly, even if you accept that she was able to take on that whole army, her fight with her mother was too brief and easy. If Ashi's strong enough to take on a whole army, surely the person who trained her her whole life should be a much bigger threat than she was. I would've accepted the army getting destroyed if Ashi would've gotten her ass kicked by her mother a bit. But the fight was mostly even.

All of that, along with Jack just suddenly getting his sword and his old clothes back due to some meditation, is just some bullshit. This whole episode was poorly written in general.
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>>91979297
Nope.avi
I've seen many posts just this THREAD about how she is nothing but pandercentral.

>>91979316
If you think my gender matters you've just confirmed that you're projecting because even the POSSIBILITY I'm female is your retort.
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>>91979297
because it would be the only inconsistent thing in the entire series? Sometimes jack spends 10 seconds destroying entire armies other times he spends an entire episode fighting some rando.
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>>91979417
but that is all wrong though
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>>91979384
>Stronger than whole armies
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>>91979461
Not really.
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>>91979510
This is absolutely fucking true though.
>>
/v/ here
Who wanted to play Nioh or Nier Automata after watching this season so far?
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>>91979461
How is he wrong? Every fight Jack fought against an army he never came out unscathed or pulled off some DBZ bullshit like ashi did.
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>>91973898
Wear the fucking shoe, anon. Why is Ashi, who's been emphasised to be Jack's equal in every meaningful way, such a repugnant concept for you? Would you be complaining if it was the Scotsman or his immediate family (ALL of whom are female!) who had Jack's back?
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>>91974014
>Actually made by the creator
>Actually has a compelling backstory and personality
>Is FAR from invulnerable or infallible (gets set straight for 3 whole episodes)

Three strikes, aaaannnd you're OUT.
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>>91980029
>compelling backstory and personality
>Ashi
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>>91979758
I really want PlatinumGames to make a SJ game now.

Haven't played either game yet though. I really want to.
>>
If Ashi were male none of you false flaggers would have defended this mace windu shit in an otherwise gritty season.
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>>91980128
The season opened on some Mace Windu shit
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>>91980128
>mace windu shit
What did he mean by that?
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>>91973642
might as wellt
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Y'know, I'm seeing all this shit against Ashi, but no one shits on the Scottsman for somehow being as strong as Jack, going so far as to be on-level with Jack, yet not having any displayed child-hood training around the world.

His only excuse is CELTIC ROONZ
Oh, and he's a ghost now. He's more of Gennedy's waifu than Ashi
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>>91980128
If Ashi were a male it wouldnt have pandering vibes due to every female character for the past 5 years having a layer of pandering
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>>91980211
Scottmans is objectively a better and cooler character than Ashi.

Hell even his wife is cooler than ashi
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>>91980211
>He's more of Gennedy's waifu than Ashi
You're a fucking idiot. And they only killed him off so his daughters could fight and he couldnt, down a male up hundreds of females. But they did it in a way where they still get to have him say jokes and be funny, just not fight anymore and only his daughters can.
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>>91980211
There's not a single character Genndy has waifud more than Ashi except Jack and that's only because prior to this season he was the only main character and we had him for like a hundred episodes. This season has Ashi being the most waifu'd character. Jack takes a major backseat in that regard
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>>91980256
He's objectively better because... we never got his origin story and he's a scottish stereotype voiced by John DiMaggio? I dunno. What makes him better?

>>91980285
Guess I'm a fucking idiot because some socially inept feller on an anonymous image board won't hesitate to spit venom!
As to what you say; We don't know he can't fight anymore. We've seen ghosts or intangible undead before pull bullshit. Haunted House, Demongo's ghost warriors, and Graveyard are some big examples. So, here's wondering if Gennedy is going to give the Scottsman some way of pulling bullshit, despite being dead.
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>>91980378
>he called me an idiot! Hes so socially inept and im so much more superior
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>>91975042

>Look up tara strong

Well that explains everything, thread over guys
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>>91980128
I'd actually be throwing down Sasuke bantz right now.
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>>91980441
>having to look up Tara Strong
>thread over guys
Please return to the site you came from
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>>91975540
>Turning her into fucking Madara wreaks of bullshit.

Exactly what I was thinking
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>>91975091
I can in part agree with this but honestly Ashi's purpose has really been to allow for/give another perspective on Jack's character development. A means to pace the episodes better as to not have an entire episode be internal conflict and give some action.
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>>91978123
I wasn't responding because I was busy, but saw you coming in and saying about the same I was thinking.

>>91978080
Following what's been said, I just hate how they've wrote her into these situations. Being overpowered and overdoing physical limitations is just one factor of what I'm bothered with, not the main one. It just feels shitty and I can't explain it well. Constantly writing her to fight bad guys, instead of them just being bad, taunt her because of gender, and have her suddenly become overpowered rather than be it before getting trapped, etc is just grating. Plus her face when she suddenly becomes insanely badass in the presence of dumb incompetent men who are surprised every time she even barley resists their power just to show comparison of how badass she is.

Like even before she broke out of the robotic clamps she was just groaning and barley resisting and it already caused the guy to be shocked.
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>>91980491

Genndy was clearly masturbating to her while they made this season and he invented this female character to satisfy his sexual urges so he could jerk off in the bathroom
>>
waaahh females scare me boohoo hoo, i just want men in the world except when i want to fuck because I'm not gay and women are only good for sex, which is why ashi is the flavor of the month here

ashi ruined my male show and my male society!

>inb4 tumblr
everyone here is mad at a female being female I'm just calling them out for being sexist idiots
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>>91973642
>WELL DONE, JACK!
Jesus Christ dude, you're obnoxious. Also I don't know the term for it but making everyone you don't agree with dumb saying BOO is retarded.
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>>91981036
Strawman or Caricature.
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>>91980980
>everyone here is mad at a female being female I'm just calling them out for being sexist idiots

If Ashi was actually written like a woman, she would have failed her training during the ARE YOU WEAK part. Also women don't fight, they seduce white knight faggots to fight on their behalf. That's what they do. The whole Ra Ra Girl Power shit is 100% Liberal propaganda shit.
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>>91973642
There are people being juvenile over it but don't defend that dumb scene OP.
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>>91981142
Thanks, both are factors to the issue and I think caricature is what I was looking for the most. It sucks that whenever you say something bad about Ashi you get a caricature response from a defense force. Usually the case anyway for other things but still.

I know some fags are being stupid and are the caricature sometimes but everyone ends up getting these responses even if they're not.
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>>91973856
They did say she was a daughter of Aku it could be more than a cult name
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