Why doesn't Flash just end all crime in Gotham city before

>>91937837
Jay, Barry, Wally, and Bart can't even deal with their own problems/rogues in their own cities half the time. What makes you think they could just "end all crime" in a city notorious for it's widespread crime waves, gangsters, psychopaths and not entirely human creatures?

>>91939665
because the rogues that deal with Barry are way stronger than the rogues that Batman deals with

>>91937837
Batman is only a part time member of the Justice League. Gotham is only a part time member of the DCU.

>>91939672
They're mostly humans, bud.

>>91939672
If anything Batman's villains are by far more dangerous. Flash definitely has enemies that are way more powerful than anything Batman but as a collective Flash villians arent nearly as psychotic and violent as Batman. Anyway the real problem in Gotham isnt villains being on the loose, at any given time most of the big players are in custody or have been forced out of Gotham by The Batman, the real issue is the systemic corruption and decay of social order that has allowed shit to get so bad. That is what Batman is really fighting against, the nutjobs are just symptoms of the issue.

>>91939672
The difference is most of the Flash's rogues aren't insane and unpredictable aside from Eobard. Also aside from Grodd most of them are normal humans with gimmicky weapons. Batman has to deal with dudes on super steroids, buff humanoid crocodiles and literal batmen among other things.

Also in a place like Crime Alley in Gotham economics and group mentality come into play. There are a SHIT TON of life long criminals in Gotham raising other potential life long criminals. Many of whom come from lives of poverty. Crime and poverty will unfortunately always be inextricably linked. Even the police are notoriously corrupt/working under the mafia aside from Gordon, Montoya, and Allen. It would be impossible for The Flash to just "end all crime" because if he arrested every single criminal at present living in Gotham two things would happen. First more would come from other places to steal control of the bigger criminal enterprises. And second, the people who have yet to commit a crime but could potentially don't suddenly go away especially if they've been raised in that kind of environment to begin with.

>>91940093

Why doesn't Flash just eliminate poverty?

>>91937837
Because then Bruce will pout
And a pouty bats is just sad

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Because speedsters job when fighting non speedsters as shown when the riddler had flash on his knees a while ago,ignoring the jobbing most of the criminals would simply escape as usual and flash can't stop inner city corruption/conspiracies as easily as punching rogues

Well this is incredibly unrealistic even in a universe full of unrealistic things this was sort of tackled in the background of Kingdom Come where in the future Wally basically became a living god/avatar of the speedforce and kept Keystone City in a perpetual state of peace by being everywhere at once

>>91937837

He already struggles with an idiot who has a cold gun, he would fare much worse against Mr. Freeze, a genius with a cold gun. He has trouble with an idiot like Trickster, Joker would really fuck him up. How easily could he work through Tetch's mind-control? What about Ra's, who basically has an army at his beck and call and lives and breaths subterfuge? Clayface? Dr. Phosphorous? Poison Ivy? Even Riddler could probably give a speedster a challenge given prep time.

People who say Batman's enemies are just a bunch of serial killer psychopaths really aren't giving his gallery the credit they are due. What makes them worse than the Rogues isn't just their greater average intelligence and seemingly endless supply of hired thugs, but also their willingness to commit wholesale slaughter.

I think the only villains Flash has that are on a whole 'nother level are the evil speedsters.

>>91940434
Freeze's gun literally wouldn't affect The Flash. They've made a very distinct point, several times, that Cold's gun is the only absolute zero weapon and it has to be absolute zero to significantly slow The Flash down.

Flash hasn't had trouble with Trickster since the fucking 1980s.

Grodd's mind control is better than Tetch's.

An army of people who can't move at superspeed isn't an army. It's a bunch of bowling pins for Flash to knock over. Mirror Master has made literally millions of duplicates that Flash cleaves through instantaneously.

Clayface is a weaker Tar Pit. Phosphorous is a weaker Doctor Alchemy. Poison Ivy is a weaker Shade.

There's little plausible reason for Flash to struggle with any Batman villain short of extensive preparation on top of Flash jobbing to fall into whatever trap they set up. Because the ridiculous traps the Rogues set up are way, way beyond the shit Batman's villains can put out. Mirror Master's insane traps alone dwarf anything Batman has ever had to deal with.

That said, if Flash ever does go toe to toe with a Batman villain he will 100% job to make them look good, as Batman-related anything always takes precedence. Like we saw in that one 4 issue Riddler arc where Barry was the stupidest I've ever seen him just to get "beat" by The Riddler.

>>91940434
I'm >>91939665 and >>91940093

No one was saying they are only psychopathic serial killers although your point about their willingness to commit wholesale murder is exactly WHY people say this.

>evil speedsters

Grodd usually gives everyone a hard time too. But other than that yeah they are normal people.


But none of this really has anything to do with the actual question presented: Why doesn't the Flash just end all crime in Gotham?

Which I addressed and the tldr is: It simply isn't possible to completely eliminate crime. At best it can be mitigated. Even stopping all crime now doesn't mean more criminals wont pop up in the future. Plus the Flash has a finite amount of time and ability to be in places.

>>91937837
Crime isn't happening all at once. The Flash would need to patrol 24-7 in one city. Even Bruce (with his horde of children employees) cannot prevent/solve/restrict all the crime in Gotham irrespective of how little sleep or food he partakes in.

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>>91940732
>Which I addressed and the tldr is: It simply isn't possible to completely eliminate crime

Sure it is.

>>91940752
Yeah and I addressed that here >>91940282


But that's one version of Wally. You're assuming every version of the Flash has elevated to this point. There was no specification which Flash we're discussing.

Also that's just Keystone City and he has to literally patrol it constantly and Wally has basically become no longer human on that Earth. To answer the OPs question even assuming every Flash were capable of this they'd likely do this for their own respective cities first before Gotham

Plus we dont know about the future of the KC Earth. For all we know the second something happens to Wally more criminals pop up. Also antisocial tendencies occur in people naturally. Just because he's patrolling doesn't mean no one is eventually going to pop up that does something they aren't supposed to. It's not that simple

>>91940434
>I haven't actually read a Flash comic
>I also get most of my Batman information from youtube

>>91940785
We know that main universe Wally can do the same thing, he just doesn't because it's terribly lonely and miserable. We first saw him in basically this same scenario when he first used the Speed Force.

Barry's faster than Wally so it wouldn't be an issue if he tried, as well.

>>91940820

>I also get most of my Batman information from youtube

How do you figure?

>>91940689

>Clayface is a weaker Tar Pit. Phosphorous is a weaker Doctor Alchemy. Poison Ivy is a weaker Shade.

Looks like you've never read anything involving any of those characters.

>>91940885
In a fight Clayface is just a Tarpit that can't stop Flash's vibrations and doesn't have the super heated aspect to cause damage.

Clayface's shapeshifting is neat in other ways but as a threat to The Flash it's not much.

The other two are pretty self explanatory. They have similar fighting gimmicks only way, way more powerful. Alchemy loves doing the "fill the area with HARMFUL GAS AND RADIATION" shit, Shade does the grasping tendrils and mind altering stuff Ivy does.

They're also just way more versatile on top of that. Flash's villains are significantly, massively more dangerous and powerful. They have to be, Flash is a significantly more powerful hero than Batman. It's only sensible. Trying to wank off Batman villains as bigger threats is a joke.

>>91937837
Because he's a selfish piece of shit and not fast enough to do it.

>>91940938

Clayface can expand, shrink, and morph himself in virtually any way. He's far more dangerous and versatile than fucking Tarpit. Ivy has mind control capabilities as well as numerous poisons backed up by brute strength that can siege or sometimes even topple buildings. She's not really similar to Shade at all.

Realistically, literally nobody should pose any threat to Flash because he's the single most overpowered hero in all of comics. But with the kind of retards that Flash has problems with, Batman rogues would absolutely pose issues for him.

>>91941004
You're an idiot if you can't see why Flash's rogues are way, way more powerful and why that allows them to fuck with him.

I mean they're literally designed to fuck with him. Flash can't get close to Turtle or Cold without slowing down, for instance. Mirror Master's powers are ungodly insane. Abra Kadabra, on a good day, is basically Mxyzptlk.

Sure, there's some duds in there. Heatwave and Trickster aren't really threats, but they're never shown as threats. It's like saying Kite-man is a Batman threat just because he's technically part of his villain roster.

The general theme is either the villain is insanely powerful, and thus capable of taking Flash 1 on 1 (evil speedsters, Abra Kadabra, Grodd, Mirror Master) or work as a team to compound the unique advantages they have to take on Flash ala The Rogues. Flash's own villains understand they're not a threat to him by themselves.

Which is why Batman's villains aren't a threat to him. They don't put aside their pschoses to team up nearly as much or effectively. They'll often infight which gives Batman advantages. Not a single Batman villain is an honest threat to The Flash. If they all worked together, came up with a plan, and had top end powers like some of The Rogues, THEN you might have a point.

>>91937837

Because he doesn't want to, essentially you'll get into another injustice problem. You have to leave room for people to do bad things if you want to maintain free will.

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Yeah, seems like he could handle it.

This is the biggest reason why multiverses don't work. Superman/The Flash/ect should be able to stop every non-god level supervillain in the world, easily. There is no logical reason why C-list supervillains are allowed to exist in a world where magical men who can move at the speed of light are patrolling.
The Flash couldn't end crime in Gotham because of politics, but he could easily eliminate every supervillain in the literal blink of an eye. The city would be much safer with The Joker/Bane/Scarecrow/ect out of the picture. Batman could spend his time hunting the small-time baddies that aren't worth super-powered efforts. There's no logical reason why The Flash or Supes doesn't do that.

>>91941099

If you honestly cannot figure the ways that Batman's villains could give Flash a challenge then you're just an unimaginitive dolt. Freeze is certainly smart enough to create an absolute-zero gun if that's what he needed to beat Flash. Ra's would misdirect the shit out of him and always be doing a hundred different things in the shadows on all parts of the globe (remember Flash is far more reactive as oppose to Batman's proactive-ness so his villains would always get the head start). All Ivy would need is a bit of contact or use her feminine wiles and enhanced charm to either poison or enslave Flash. Not to mention there is probably some plant on DC-Earth that could emit chemicals that slow him down or something. Clayface could constrict his movement or get inside his mouth and choke him or something, or even just shapeshift to escape or catch him by surprise. Tetch would boost his mind-control devices like he always does, Riddler would concoct traps that couldn't be escaped by speed alone, Joker would lead him to some fake bombs meanwhile an orphanage blows up across town, yada yada yada...it's really not that hard or ridiculous. The villains would just work on different planes than they usually do, they wouldn't try the same shit against Flash when they know his abilities as compared to Batman. If capeshit comics have proven anything, it's that raw power isn't always some "I win" button. I mean, SUPERMAN'S greatest enemy is just some smart rich guy a-la Batman.

>>91941197
Do you realize that is a dream sequence?

This talk about Batman rogues vs Flash rogues

But the question was about why the Flash doesn't end all crime in Gotham. Not who has the more powerful rogues since that actually isn't relevant to the question(plus realistically the Flash should have difficulty with none of them but he does)

>>91941810

Free will.

>>91940282
>complete surveillance
Waid is a hack

>>91941324

If your solution is "Batman's villains are smart and Flash is dumb" then you're actually the one lacking imagination. Your point is that of course Flash would job.

Batman's villains aren't good enough, you just have to make Flash shitter to compensate. Many writers have done the same but it defeats your point. Batman's villains are not a threat.

I do like the sheer batwank horseshit. Oh of course Mr. Freeze would just make gear he's admitted he couldn't make before. Yep. No biggie. That's totally what would happen.

>>91942115
It was just omnipresence in a specific area. It was basically just if the police had instant response time.

>>91937837
I like to think Flash will go insane if he fights Bats rogues, think about it if he does capture all his villains they'll escape in a few months and now knowing Flash is after them will kill kids, dogs and shit.

>>91942200

>you just have to make Flash shitter to compensate

Flash has to "job" in order to make WONDER WOMAN look good. Think about that. I won't forget the amount of tears shed from Flashcucks when Cheetah cut his hamstrings. There's honestly nothing better than Flash getting BTFO because of the amount of bitching that ensues.