http://arythusa.tumblr.com/post/159 994050562/theres-been-a-

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>They're right but inb4 shut up Tumblr

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>>91877768
>If these look the same to you, then I don't know what to say.
>They actually do look the same.

>>91877768
>tumblr
neck yourself nigger

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>>91877768
>shows a bunch of one-off/minor characters as though it's an argument against the main characters looking the same
>argues that not enough time has passed, despite technology setting our cultural shifting into overdrive

>>91877864
Anon I'm literally seeing a floating triangle and a human woman in a other panel.

I'm sorry but, you're just being contrarian.

>>91877951
I'm talking about the "human" characters in Star vs and Steven Universe. Obviously if you have a bunch of crazy monsters they're gonna look different and I don't think it's right to bring them into the argument.

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>>91878104
>All human characters look the same

>>91878146
>square chins or circle chins with different hairstyles
So different.

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>>91877768
>meanwhile Daron is fucking all of your thots, male or female

>>91877768
Not sure if this person was trying to imply otherwise but Naruto has very distinct character designs. That's like the worst anime they could have pointed at.

>>91878177
>See they have different hair! That means they're all the same!!
Do you guys live to complain about the dumbest shit? Honestly asking

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>>91878177
>Different Eye shapes
>Difference facial structures
>Different noses

>lol only the hair is different

Try again faggot

>>91877768

to me the thing that annoys me about these styles, and what i find way too similar about them, is the style of linework, and the choice of colors.

the lines are very evenly weighted and there are hardly fine details, all shapes fit into a geometrical shape and the designs are very sparse within their silhouettes, for example, >>91878146 yeah they all have different shapes of faces and some differently shaped noses and eyes, but they are all roughly the same level of detail and simplicity, and apart from their noses and mouths their faces are very much half blank. No relief or volume going on there.

my other gripe is that they all have flat colors only seldom daring to fully saturate them, and they all sit in pastel tones, with shading being just darkened areas instead of using drawn-in shadows with intense black or a strong contrast of tones, or more shine and reflection, it's very uniform and boring.

i hate to be that guy, but it's old anime vs new anime again, there's nothing to "wow" you with presentation alone.

>>91877768
Is that Gumball?

>>91877768
that drawing is more expressive than either of those characters have ever been
>inb4 a retard claims that in minute 6 of episode fuck you the character is more expressive but doesnt post a screencap

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>>91877768
> Two of these current shows were created by people who didn’t attend Calarts. (Steven Universe and The Amazing World of Gumball) And the two that DID had the same character designer contribute to the designs for a time (Phil Rynda).

ok so the solution's simple
kill phil

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>>91880433
Not as good but

>>91880643

the one where his face glitches out in S4 is better

>>91880737
Nope. That S4 is moment really, really bad. Post S1 models are bad at off-model.

>>91877768
is that a ren & stimpy reference?

>>91877768
>Some professional in the industry actually responding to a meme image with a lengthy defensive response

Jesus Christ I can't believe I want to be in this industry.

>>91880843
Best you know what you're getting yourself into.

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>>91880843
Yeah, it's pretty dumb when people in the industry respond to low-level bait.

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>>91877768
>Would the audience really believe that Steven is seriously grappling with real moral dilemmas if he looked like something out of Ren and Stimpy?

What the fuck are they talking about? Sugar prides herself on the vast expressions and off-model drawings SU has and is well known to have gotten some personal advice from John K on his blog back when she was in her teens.

>>91880784
No, it's a reference to Star vs. and Gumball

>>91880643
What episode is this from?

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Only thing that matters when discussing the "then and now" meme.

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>>91880887
Sabrina, Zuke, Matt Burnett, Dana, Alex Hirsch, Kate Leth. Who else are some known professional whiners?

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>>91880778
The spoon

>>91880960
Meant for >>91880916

it's bad enough we have threads about that bait, do we need a thread about a tumblr post on the subject

>>91880950
I'll be a professional whiner once I make it into the industry, specially if i get enrolled in Calarts. All those SJWs telling me to not calm my tits and talk about muh vagina will get into my head and I'll regress into stupid.

>>91880960
thanks dood

>>91880948
>80 years,,, of people painstakingly drawing everything with shitty editing tech and needing a big network to back you
>4 years... of having a plethora of software and hardware that can be used by even amateurs to pump out content

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>>91877768
Maybe if shows like Plastic Man got picked up, people wouldn't be memeing so much about modern cartoons looking the same.

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>This argument reminds me a lot of people who rail against “same face syndrome” in anime. Indeed, a majority of designs in animation follow a fairly slim set of design rules, and characters within a show will often have VERY similar silhouettes. But despite this apparently damning flaw, some people seem to be able to tell these characters apart!! How can this be?? Could it be that the human brain has specifically evolved to differentiate between small differences in human faces??

>No, of course not! That’s why no one watches anime! If you talk to someone who claims to watch anime, they will say, “I have no idea why I have watched Naruto these last ten years. The character designs are so similar that I can’t tell them apart! That is why I hate this show and all shows like it. What a waste of ten years this has been.”

>>91880737
This one? Nah. This from S1 >>91880643 is WAY better. In this one they are trying to have expressions without changing the shape of Richard's head. This is literally what is wrong with current cartoons

>>91877918
>Cultural shifting
Motherfucker it's art.
There's only so many ways to draw a person.
What you think because we have technology we just automatically develop new ways to draw a face? Like discovering an unsolved math equation, we're gonna solve an unsolved face equation thanks to us now having Oculus Rifts?

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>>91881096
FUCK. Forgot the webm

>>91881035
>Plastic Man
>DC Nation
It would have died along with the block, so your point doesn't make sense.

>>91881104
>>91881123

but you see his head change shape and stretch along with the expression

>>91881034
Also
>Decades of people discovering and mastering the medium
>4 years of people ignoring it in favor of Scooby Doo-levels of cutting corners despite modern tech making most of the cuts not necessary anymore

>>91878146
that image is not helping to disprove that accusation

>>91880902
holy shit what a collage of utter mess

>>91881086
>Retarded 20-year old millennial fails at debating

What else is new.

>>91880843
To be fair people on /co/ try to reason with bait images all the time

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>>91881185
Other than the different faces of the characters? Granted, they still look identifiable human, because that's the point.

>>91881034
So you're defense for Hannah Barbera is "guyz you don't understand. They said they had to walk fifteen miles uphill in the snow back in the day! That's so much harder guys!"

Also you know what plenty old cartoons didn't have to deal with?
Unions setting up reasonable wages and work hours keeping Fleischer and Disney from running the workstaff to the bone.

>>91881132
Plastic Man was originally a CN pilot that didn't get greenlighted, it really deserved better than 1 minute shorts on a failing block.

https://vimeo.com/122866087

>>91881225
Yeah, random nobodies on /co/. Not someone whose worked on three major network shows for three years and should know better at this point.

>>91881269
They are just oblivious, like how people outside of 4chan take everything here seriously

>>91878177
>making faces out of shapes

Try again calarts shills

>>91881225

Nah, they don't reason, they just use bait as a strawman they can punch without it punching back so they can flaunt their argumentation skills on a dead easy subject that has no nuances to reflect upon as a form of ego masturbation.

Because /co/'s only unifying aspect is the extreme levels of ego and the belief they stand for reason and love instead of cowardice. They will never make a statement about something that actually matters that isn't telling others to stop making statements and being un-PC.

Yes guys, it's easy to make your characters look varied when you don't care about making them look like horrible monsters. Ren and Stimpy is supposed to be ugly.

It's also sad no one pointed out the horrible Cherry picking in the meme image, having the old cartoon screenshots be in-between face contorting shots while the new cartoon shots coming off a reference sheet.

The fact that image, despite clearly being Cherry picked bait, is still used on this site without a shred of irony honestly makes me really sad.

>>91881339
>they just use bait as a strawman they can punch without it punching back so they can flaunt their argumentation skills on a dead easy subject that has no nuances to reflect upon as a form of ego masturbation.
I disagree, while calling everything bait is a thing that happens i don't think /co/ is part of this, call it tumblr or whatever but there is a crowd of people here who can't into ironic shitposting (thank god) so even obvious bait will be taken seriously, this is a double edged blade though because there are good sides about this

>Because /co/'s only unifying aspect is the extreme levels of ego and the belief they stand for reason and love instead of cowardice
what unites /co/ isn't reason or love, its how much everybody wants to fuck everything, not necessarily waifu shit, just the desire to have sex with fictional characters

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>>91881167
Look again. Richard's head and body remain on-model. Even his eyes remain the same the whole time

>>91881370
>it's easy to make your characters look varied when you don't care about making them look like horrible monsters
What is Looney Tunes. What is Tom and Jerry

>>91881442
The fact that /co/ takes bait seriously is both good and bad.

It's bad because it means that every week there will be one 500+ FUCKING CALARTS UNIVERSE thread with the same autismos arguing about the same shit over and over and over again.

But it also means that there's not a real "bait culture" here, so there'll only be one thread, unlike /v/ which has so many bait threads that most of them will 404 before getting even one reply.

>>91881442
>its how much everybody wants to fuck everything, not necessarily waifu shit, just the desire to have sex with fictional characters

that's all of 4chan, get out of this board sometimes. /co/ is the board that reports everything that isn't their particular, specific, autistic fetish.

>>91881453
I was talking specifically about Ren and Stimpy as per the OP pic, but you can get away with a lot regarding animals, they don't look very much like the animals they are supposed to look like, and many of their facial expressions make them look like monsters when freeze framed anyway (this isn't a bad thing, but it also isn't limited to those shows)

Why is Sabrina Cotugno so annoying

>>91881615
i browse like four different boards daily and /co/ still manages to surprise me with how fucking degenerate it can be, and i love that about you faggots, its both funny and heartwarming to see you having so much fun with your shit taste, as far as non porn boards go /co/ takes shit to the next level without a bit of regret, and i am okay with this

>>91881752

/v/ is better at it, as far as i've seen in the last three years. Hell, /k/ is more open minded.

/co/ has too many actually sheltered people who get spooked about weird shit and/or rule breaking content.

>>91881752
>i browse like four different boards daily and /co/ still manages to surprise me with how fucking degenerate it can be
You obviously don't browse /pol/ then

>>91881799
>/co/ has too many actually sheltered people who get spooked about weird shit and/or rule breaking content.
I've seem people talk about sexualizing chairs here, unironically too, in fact as long as it has loli or anthro the sky is the limit

>>91881245
You mean unions being noblistic breeding grounds for unproductivity and constant complaints, right?

>>91880843
Hillary Clinton declared war on a cartoon frog. Reality itself jumped the shark long ago, anon.

>>91881866
To be fair, 4chan has driven that meme into the dirt long ago

>>91881861
Hey I'll take lazy groups over groups wanting to commit suicide cause work is so bad.
I'm looking at you, China.

>>91881861
>>91881912

animator unions aren't even a problem, it's VA's and other wannabe hollywood faggots.

NOTHING has harmed animation more than the voice acting, even in fucking Japan they are turbo mega jews.

>>91880902

Oh god, what a meme.

>>91880902
>80% of these are from either Raven Molisee, Paul Villeco, or Jeff Liu

>>91881947
>even in fucking Japan they are turbo mega jews.
Pretty sure you're right, but, I'm not sure if that's teh result of the VAs or the studio.

The studio also pays its animators like crap.

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>>91881947
>turbo mega jews.

>>91880784
It has that classic Spumco finger thing, so I think there's at least a tiny connection. I bet they visit places like /co/ often and take huge dumps on John.

>>91882007

SEE THAT SHIT? SEE? THIS IS WHY NOBODY LIKES /co/

YOU CAN'T SAY A SINGLE FUCKING UN-PC THING WITHOUT THESE FAGGOTS GETTING LITERALLY TRIGGERED AND SCREAMING ABOUT THEIR BOOGEYMAN BOARD THAT DOESN'T EVEN REMEMBERS THEY EXIST.

>>91877880
See >>91877824, you triggered bitch.

>>91877768
Will this meme ever recover?!

>>91882059
>getting this triggered by one image
>a single post so vague you can't prove if the intentions behind it are what you really think they are
If i told you i was a reddit mod coming here for screencaps for my school presentation about 4chan, would you believe me? Remember that people love to shit on the plate they eat because they are really bored, when dealing with this kind of shit you should always leave room for doubt

>>91882059
>UN-PC THING
You literally blamed the jews for something inane. That's the most /pol/ thing there is

>>91882101
>Paranormal topcat
>Fred vs the forces of evil
>The Gemtsons
>The amazing world of Yogi

>>91882160
>>Fred vs the forces of evil
We are talking about a man who participated in a genocide mind you

>>91882143
"Jew" is slang for some fuckhead greedy cunt, you nigger. You can by being a greedy cunt be a jew, even if you aren't technically a jew.

It's not /pol/shit it's context, the guy was obviously not blaming jews because he said in fucking japan.

I want to make a retort to this post, but I also want a chance in this industry, what do I do? Would it hurt to give my two cents on this?

>>91882124

no fuck that shit, i've seen threads get derailed with 540 posts because someone couldn't handle even a tiny bit of black humor and banter.

they aren't just pretending, it's not all a big joke everyone is in on, they just really are that bad.

>>91882205
>"Jew" is slang for some fuckhead greedy cunt, you nigger
Literally /pol/

>>91882240
No, that's literally just about everybody.

>>91882213
It would probably be safer if you didn't say anything and continued to stew in your persecution complex

>>91882240
It's not even racist. You can be a jew greedy cunt without being jewish, and you can be jewish without being a jew greedy cunt.

It doesn't have to do with race, /pol/shit or anystuff like that.

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>>91882276

>>91882281
So are you encouraging me via sarcasm to inspire me not to get my self out of a pit of persecution and in fact actually respond to the post?

>>91882322
4chan is getting too confusing for me these days. It's like going into DND without hearing about DND ever.

>>91882240

you know "jewing" is used as a verb, and "my inner jew" is an expression

for example "these fucking game devs keep jewing their players out of their money with endless DLC"

and "i really want to buy that figurine but my inner jew tells me i have to save more money for the black friday sales"

or "i feel like a huge jew but i'm gonna have to increase my commission rates since i won't be able to do as many this month"

>>91882217
I feel you, but context and common sense are your best ways of dealing with this kind of shit, someone who has an unpopular opinion (the legit cancer) will try to sound right, a shitposter will just rely on screaming with non arguments so he can bait as many people as he wants, before jumping on conclusions pay attention to the context of the thread, the oldest tricks in the book are impersonating someone in the conversation (if the board has no IDs) and making bold statements that contradict the majority's opinion with no attempts at defending such claims (this is what separates unpopular opinions from shitposting, the attempt at trying to sound right)

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>>91882101
>>91882160
>>91882200
IT'S GONNA GET A LITTLE GRAND

>>91882419
>4chan is getting too confusing for me these days. It's like going into DND without hearing about DND ever.
In fairness, it's a slang that's more common in the US, so I don't begrudge you for not having heard it. It's kinda like how we call each other -fag for everything. Cartoonfags. Comicsfags. Animefags. videogamefags. Tabletopfags.

>>91882500
I AM TALKING DINOS
I AM TALKING ALIENS

YA-YA-YA-YA-BA-DA-BADAAAAAAA

>>91882500
FLEENSTONES?!

>>91882586
I am american and it confuses me, like yeah, I use the termonology all the time, but when I actually try to really wrap my mind about it it just give me a little headache.

I understand the fag thing, it's like your a faggot for cartoons and all that, you would go gay for a cartoon because that's how much you love it, like how I'm a drawfag, I would go gay for drawing because that's how much I love it.

>>91882586
Yeah but that's been around for well over half a decade and seen everywhere for everything.

Describing something as a Jew Cunt doesn't exactly come up regularly in most parts of 4chan. At least not on /co/

>>91882693
>I understand the fag thing, it's like your a faggot for cartoons and all that, you would go gay for a cartoon because that's how much you love it,
It's not even that really. It's just a slang term. It has been used so much it's kinda lost meaning.

>>91882322

That's sort of like calling something "gay" as an insult and then saying it has nothing to do with disapproval of homosexuals.

Like, I get you, but I can also get why some people would have a problem with it. You're reinforcing a negative association.

>>91882693
>>91882586

"nigger" is also used liberally because we use the biggest offenses we have casually as a social statement.

vietnamese are riceniggers, swedes are snowniggers, arabs are sandniggers, italians are pastaniggers, people from detroit are nigger-niggers.

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>>91882791
>people from detroit are nigger-niggers.
>double niggers
This comes to mind.

>>91882782
And if they have a problem with it they're putting words into my mouth. I didn't mean jack shit, they're the ones who're taking what I say to be racist. If someone thinks I'm saying something racist by calling someone a jew or being homophobic by calling something gay then they're purposefully misunderstanding what I'm saying and I don't give a shit if they're offended by a meaning they created themselves.

>>91882903
It IS coming from racial origins.

I mean the term is being used to the point of meaninglessness, like Matt Williams and "nigga", but fucking recognize where the term came from and don't be surprised people who don't hear it used often still assumed you meant it in a racial way.

>>91882989
Their assumption is fine and well unless in cases like on here where it was obviously not racial, or say for instance they start getting offended after I say nigger and I clarify what I mean, if they're still offended and refuse to listen to what I mean, then they're putting words in my mouth and then judging me based off that, telling me to be quiet based off of something I never even really said.

>>91883075
I think most of the judgement is now judging how butthurt you (or whoever
>>91882059 was) got over simply being accused of being a /pol/tard.

Really this entire derailing debate was caused by said person freaking out over a reaction image more than the JEW CUNT.

>>91880887
What was even the argument here?

>>91883146
>simply being accused of being a /pol/tard.

"simply" as in "ostracize the fuck out of someone for stepping even slightly right of my line"

you make people into /pol/tards when you make everyone even a little crass out to be /pol/tards.

>>91882753
Oh.

Well I'm just gonna stick to my meaning because i like it more, it has more heart to it.

Either way I do want to debate this and I think I have a few good points, so I'll just do it annonomously.

And that mainly is, is that most of these cartoon's main characters lack sharpness to them, all of them look too soft or curvey. Star from Star vs does a decent job at this because there are at least some sharp lines in there and she feels the most distinct a=out of all of these cartoons pointed out here, not including gumball of corse.

A good cartoon that did the softness on there characters well is Wander over Yonder, mainly because the characters had multiple rules that had to be followed when it came to there softness and there shapes.

Most modern cartoons hardly follow there established rules, have very weak shapes, and hardly ever even have a good line of action.

Another good example of a good cartoon is mighty magiswords, now hear me out on this one, it actually has a distinct and refreshing artsyle, and despite having a lot of tweening, it does have really good keyframes and it has a nice grasp on shaps and line of action.

>>91883196
And therefore accusing someone of /pol/ becomes overused and near meaningless.
Like fag or apparently Jew is already on 4chan.

>>91883389
>And therefore accusing someone of /pol/ becomes overused and near meaningless.

yet we just agreed that even the insinuation of /pol/ being present sends this board into a paranoid whining frenzy, because it's a a massive, massive boogeyman that is always encroaching and invading and derailing poor /co/

>>91882500
Goddamn it I want this now, or at least an episodr with star in primal mode

>>91883434
So wait ... I'm confused now. Are you FOR /pol/ talk on /co/ or against it?

>>91883529
So literally the camping episode with her father River?

>>91883622

i'm against people acting like they didn't mean something when they totally meant it. And also people that pretend they hate "/pol/ talk" when they only bring up the fact that it's political or controversial once the topic is being contested by opposing views.

hugboxy fucking behavior typical of /co/.

so how long until "he" shows up?

>>91883729
But wouldn't this answer simply be a different hugbox freaking out at people against certain contextless racial terms?

So basically it's all just two people, one screaming "muh hugbox" and another screaming "muh /pol/ terms" sarcastically at one another.
With both sides really accomplishing nothing cause a bait thread about animation isn't gonna convince anyone about proper universally appropriate terms for 4chan.

>>91883832
There are a lot of different "he"s who are you talking about?
Barney man?
some cal arts anon?
John K himself?

>>91883864
No, Candle Jack.
You always have to be careful wh

>>91883864

the john k fanboy who probably made the bait image we're talking about.

>>91883832
too late.
I'm already here.

>>91883841
>But wouldn't this answer simply be a different hugbox freaking out at people against certain contextless racial terms?

no? because we expect people to have the bare minimum cultural imprint in an english speaking board, and reading comprehension while at it, instead of having a trained response.

http://amelia-lorenz.tumblr.com/post/160033148472/my-favorite-thing-about-the-the-cartoons-then-vs