So uhh what did you think of this... there's some really

>>91863726
You're not that anon triggered by crossovers, are you?

>>91863726
Wait, it's out already ?
Shit I gotta get this.

>>91863726
How anal does Batman get about The Shadow using guns?

>>91863954
It's not that kind of crossover, this is actually Batman VS The Shadow, because seemingly The Shadow has become a full villain

>>91864003

>The Shadow has become a full villain

either its not actually the Shadow or they have no idea what to do with the character

unless its a punisher like situation

>>91864003
So does the Shadow know the evil that lurks in the heart of the Batman?

Or since he turns evil, should he change that?

>Who knows what good, lives in the the heart of women! ....The Shadow Doesn't!

I've never read any Shadow comics
Where should I start

Same with the Spirit too actually

>>91864124
>seemingly The Shadow has become a full villain
It's probably a bait-and-switch situation.
But hey Batman vs The Shadow sounds like a cool premise.

>>91864124
It's not really that much of a stretch for The Shadow to become a full-on villain.
We are talking about a character who guns down criminals Punisher-style in addition to using his powers to make them kill themselves.
He was created to be a villain who fights villains.

>>91864176
>Who knows what good, lives in the the heart of women! ....The Shadow Doesn't!
christ its the embodiment of r9k and pol

>>91864228

hope you dont mind this guy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LgU_TwMZgYA&list=PLmirOw7JCi82Jp3aAcH3BVJrh8I465NW3&index=7

So any gonna story time or, or post a link?

>>91864248

thats why I brought up punisher, he had plenty of fights with capes over his methods for dealing with criminals

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>>91864003
It's clearly some kind of ruse if only because the previews said he protects Batman from Joker (Snyder of course couldn't help himself)
As for me I'm happy Shadow's being portrayed like a horror movie but I really could've done without him seemingly being a villain who killed an innocent dude.

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>>91864228
Start with the radio first, preferably the episodes starring Orson Welles and Brett Morrison. You can find them on Youtube.
Good thing about The Shadow is that you can pretty much start from anywhere (although it helps to at least read up on the character's history and importance).
The recent Matt Wagner comics are pretty good in case you can't find the older pulps.

Also, if you are not too bothered by cringy metalheads, check out RazorFist's videos on The Shadow.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LgU_TwMZgYA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6ihwNrvHxY

>>91864325
There was a brief Batman x The Shadow crossover once that dealt with this issue a bit. The Shadow offered Batman a gun to help him catch a criminal but Batman straight up refused and said he'd use other methods. I think this crossover is probably going to expand on this a bit.

Just finished reading it

>>91864324
http://readcomics.website/comic/batmanshadow-2017/1

>>91864382
Yeah I felt really sorry for the guy who was murdered.
But I think either it's a set-up, or Snyder really did decide to write The Shadow as a villain because he didn't know what else to do with him.
Still, I liked it, and I'm happy it's taking a different direction than the past Batman x Shadow crossovers.

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The murderer most likely an impostor or The Shadow's possessed or something. In the fourth issue Joker and some new villain are gonna carve out Batman's heart and The Shadow has to run a gauntlet of the entire rogue's gallery to save him so clearly they end up on the same side to some extent (but of course bats is worried about his villains)

>>91864727
It wouldn't be the first time The Shadow had imposters (he himself employed them on several occasions).
What makes the most curious is that his agents are also saying he went insane, even Margo.
And the comic is apparently going with the idea that The Shadow is immortal (which has been done before).

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>>91865015
I pray Snyder doesn't pull some Lazarus Pit bullshit to explain him being immortal, just leave it completely ambiguous or weird.
also might I say I love this slight tweaking of his outfit. looks great.

>>91865105

my only complaint is his nose

too straight

Storytime when?

>>91865328
This

>>91865587
Second this

>>91864396
>you want to read shadow comics?
>start by listening to the radio show

Why do so many comics fans make this shit so complicated?

Comic versions of the Shadow have been pretty consistent in quality over the years. Take your pick:

>70s DC series
Traditional pulp with neat art by Kaluta and Robbins. O'Neill obviously had a lot of fun writing these.

>80s DC series
Great art by Chaykin, Sienkiewicz, and Baker. Really unique tone that mixes pulp violence and almost Looney Tunes style slapstick. My all time favorite DC Comic.

>Hitler's Astrologer graphic novel
Kaluta and O'Neill return with Russ mother fucking Heath on inks.

>Shadow Strikes and 90s Dark Horse comics
Solid stuff from a myriad of creators. Not as good as the DC stuff but fine if you just want more.

>Recent Dynamite series
Matt Wagner stuff is great. Ennis stuff was fine. These are probably easier to get your hands on.

Someone going to storytime this?

>>91864228
For The Shadow see>>91866155.
Baker and Helfer's run is cool too (and short)

For the Spirit, just find everything Eisner did. It's a lot of fun. Darwyn Cooke's run is pretty neat too even if I disliked some of his characterization.

>>91864727
>Magpie
fucking yeee mate

>>91866155
>Ennis stuff was fine.
I'm going to pull you up on this, because Ennis' run was NOT fine - it was a comic about The Rape of Nanking, with Lamont Cranston and Margo Lane making the occasional appearance.

I cannot tell you how disappointed I was with Garth when he dropped the ball so hard.

>>91867631
That said, everything else in your list was on the money.

>>91863726
Bought it for the Tim Sale cover. Is it shway or swhit? Probably should have had Sale just do the art and gotten a better writer. Like Tom King.

>>91863738
Think the lack of reply tells us all we need to know lol. There was that one asshole in the solicit thread way back shitting things up.

I can't wait for the Marvin Martian Manhunter crossover.

>>91864382
I laughed at this page. Bats just has no idea what's going on.

>>91866248
this.

where's the story time?

Sure, I could go pull the shit out of the plastic and read it but then I'd have to buy another copy.

>>91864382
>THE SHADOW KNOWS!!
>...what?

Does anything sum up the history between these characters better than this page?

>>91863726
So is it its own universe like the other crossovers have been? Cause obviously if they ever use Henri Ducard in the main universe again they can't say he's The Shadow

We not getting a storytime?

we want a storytime.

>>91866248
>>91870650
>>91873363
>>91873615
Do it yourself.
There's a link on this thread

I'll storytime it, after I get something to eat.

>>91872845
I was wondering about this too. Not really keeping up on Batman Post-N52 so are there any clues if this is in the main New 52 universe or is this an isolated story?

>>91864382
This art is exceptionally good for a gimmick book.

>>91875990
Well I know they introduced the New 52 version of Ducard during Tomasi's Batman and Robin. I just don't know if things got changed during Rebirth.

>>91878407
Thank you anon

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>>91878555
This

>>91878490
Did we really to have a box saying Arkham asylum is in Gotham city

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>>91878665

>>91878627
I don't like how lately a lot of writers have reduced Batman's detective abilities to "owns a lot of gadgets that solve the crime for him." I partially blame the Arkham games.

>>91878665
Does Bruce's dialogue feel really off here to anyone else?

>>91878748
>no finger prints

He's wearing gloves, genius

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>>91878910

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The end

I was actually really hyped for this story because I like the premise in context of the irl inspiration, but this issue felt like a huge let down

>>91878393
u da best

>>91878726
Page of the week contender

>>91878943
thanks anon!

>>91878726
So is he a villain now?

>>91878726
this is a great page

>>91879278
it's most likely not actually him.

the real question is what reason he could have to kill his descendant.

villain or not, there has to be a reason for that.

>>91878803
Writing detective stuff is HARD. It's easier if he just CSI's everything with MAXIMUM ENHANCEMENT.
>>91878881
>Implying the Batcomputer can't ENHANCE fingerprints through gloves.

>>91879222
You Welcome anon.

>>91878445
Shweet Sale cover.

let's hope this gets better as we go along

>>91881462
>let's hope this gets better as we go along
This.

>>91878407
Thank you friend.

>>91878881
>>91879721
The Shadow has telekinesis, morons.

>>91882637
Only at the end of the movie.
Otherwise it's just telepathy or hypnosis.

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>there will never be a mega-pulp crossover where Batman and Judex work together to track down Arsene Lupin, only for the three of them to team up to stop an even greater machination by Fantomas

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>>91883892
I feel you.
For the past months I've been writing down concepts for a Shadow tv-series and I actually did incorporate Judex and Lupin into one of the episodes.
I'm working super hard to become a filmmaker and I hope I can bring this to life someday.
These characters deserve a comeback.

>>91878510
>Mr. Zeus is so extra that he just can't eat regular pancakes, he has to eat them old Greek style.

Bless him.

>>91878943
This was cool

This was completely sold out at my LCS by the time I got there. Why do people go so nuts for Snyder writing Batman? It looks like we're on track for his usual pattern:

>strong opening hook
>decompression
>decompression
>weak ending

>>91863726
OLD DC SHADOW COMIC HERE:

>>91882632
No Problem anon.

>>91878943
Riley Rossmo, huh? Neat.

>>91878510
Stupid sexy Freeze

>>91888117
>>OLD DC SHADOW COMIC HERE:

Batman vs Torpedo crossover when?

>>91887738
Honestly I'm just reading this for The Shadow.
I wish Matt Wagner was the one writing this crossover.

Did Snyder think he was really clever putting in all these Shadow references? Smithstreet Arms? Cowl footage 1931? It's like making Superman live between Siegel and Shuster Ave in apartment number 1938.

>>91895304
Who cares? Writers do it a lot. Snyder's writing can be criticized (and I only liked maybe three storyarcs from his main Batman run) but complaining about someone putting references like that is just nitpicking. It's not like he suddenly had Rorschach meet Travis Bickle or something.

>>91888117
>>91894099
I have no idea why it didn't include the link.

>>91863726
OLD DC SHADOW COMIC HERE:

>>91876097

>>91884395

I've been flirting with the idea of having DC heroes take on public domain characters from the pulp age and the golden age. Superman vs. Stardust the Super Wizard is something I've talked about on /co/, but I also like the idea of Batman vs. Fantomas and I've spitballed a few concepts for it.

>>91896655
Thank you

>>91896904
DC's old Shadow comic is probably the best adaptation of the character that isn't written by Matt Wagner.

>>91897341
>Matt Wagner

They should have gotten him to write this since he's a proven writer on both characters plus he can do crossovers AMAZINGLY well.

>>91897357
His Grendel vs. The Shadow is one of the most shockingly well done crossovers ever made.

bumping to read

>>91863726
>>91878407
>>91878435
>>91878445
All 4 of these are pretty nice covers.

>>91878490
This is a fucking nice page. Shit.

>>91878510
Why the fuck is the food in Arkham Asylum so fancy?

>>91878581
Well he's clearly fucking about to die.

>>91878598
Called it.

>>91878726
What in the fuck? Why would The Shadow murder that dude?

>>91878843
>FWEEEEEEE

What is he doing?

>>91878910
>>91878943
Well I did not see that coming.

>>91881462
>>91882602
It's OK so far.

>>91887738
It has nothing to do with Snyder and everything to do with Batman.

Thanks, OP.

bumping for others

>>91901658
>Thanks, OP.
No problem anon.

Why are there so many Batman crossovers coming out recently?

>>91901137
>Why would The Shadow murder that dude?
Well only The Shadow knows
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA

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>The Shadow is such a fucked up weirdo Batman is the one who comes off like the everyman

>>91903992
/ourguy/

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>>91903992
it's always kind of been that way, whereas Batman's crusade has always been portrayed as burdensome to him The Shadow loves this shit and being able to pit his mind and skills against crime. He came to his epiphany after having his fucking face turned into hamburger meat after WWI. It's easy to call him crazy but originally he was not only sane but his mind was operating on a magnitude other mortals could not understand.

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Netflicks miniseries when?

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>>91903992
Batman has always been a kid-friendly version of The Shadow.
Imagine if Batman had The Punisher's style of murdering and also had a secret network of agents all over the city in addition to psychic powers he could use to make you kill yourself.
He doesn't even have a tragic backstory (most of the time), he just decided to travel around the world, gain superpowers, and then use them to brutally punish criminals.
Gibson said The Shadow was created as a sort of villain who would fight other villains.

And even then The Spider is 10 times more violent and batshit.
The pulps were a different time.

>>91867631
Garth has basically had two masterpieces since he finished The Boys -- My War Gone By and Rover Red Charlie -- and has otherwise varied between middle-of-the-road and unreadable ever since.

>>91879721
>Writing detective stuff is HARD

Have any comics really done detective/mystery right aside from The Maze Agency and Fell?

>>91906032
>The Spider is 10 times more violent

Tell me more.

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>>91906839
Oh boy.

After The Shadow got immensely popular, copycats and imitators started showing up everywhere, some of which would become fairly notorious themselves (like Doc Savage). And one of these was The Spider. The first 4 Spider issues were cheap unremarkable knock-offs. Until Norvell Page entered. And then it quickly snowballed into the most exciting and violent pulp on the stands. Words can barely describe how completely batshit The Spider pulps became. Page was a absolute fucking madman who would act out his scenes with the rest of the publishers staff, often wearing the Spider's cape and using a yard stick as a sword, jumping from desk to desk. He managed to bottle that insanity into prose every month.

The stories move a mile a minute, dripping with sexual tension, violence and sadism the likes of which would make Frank Castle blush. The main character was a nutcase dressed himself like a hunched vampire who slaughtered criminals and branded their bodies afterwards. He did shit like make puppets out of corpses with his web. The pace and sheer madness more than makes up for the sub par plots. It's really great stuff.

Here's some recommendations if you are interested.
Empire of Doom
Satan's Murder Machines
The City Destroyer
The Faceless one
The Spider vs The Empire State

>>91907317
>not sure what i was expecting but it wasn't that.jpg

>>91906809
>The Maze Agency

That's a comic that needs to be storytimed.

>>91907317
sounds crazy

>>91878843
>>91901448
>we bats now

>>91907317
>The Spider vs The Empire State

This one's great. Chris Roberson based his Masks story on that Spider vs the Empire State story, but Masks is a really tame version of the original (and of course all the characters in Masks that don't have anything to do with The Spider don't apply to this story).