The Best of Wonder Woman

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Instead of UAVs and radar, they just have an oracle.

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I'm currently trying to read all 25 tie-ins to War of the Gods.

I do not recommend trying this at home.

>>91845845
Man, /co/ is on full-on console wars mode today. Fucking /tv/.

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I think Perez and/or Rucka meant for some kind of hymen metaphor or something with Cheetah, with her being powered by blood sacrifice and her curse coming from not being a virgin when she got her powers.

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>>91846056
It gives me a legitimate headache.

>>91846056
Maybe it's time for another run of JLA/Avengers to cool them off a bit. It was last run a little over a year ago (before Rebirth), but I do not nearly have the same knowledge as that OP

Hey Tex.

So, last night we were talking about how Odyssey of the Amazons was a disappointing waste of time. Any ideas on how you'd improve it?

There's of course the obvious stuff like giving the characters some goddamn personality, and cutting out that utterly pointless and annoying narration, but like, aside from that.

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>>91846112
I'm definitely down.

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>>91846199
I think number one would be to make it about Amazons going on a mission of peace to save women in turmoil instead of a mission of war to assist already proficient warrior women in killing people.

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The one character that really shone in it was the one who was an artist instead of a warrior, because because it helped further the idea that Amazons in DC are not just female Spartans, they're essentially a giant fantasy women's shelter.

>>91846237
We need to find out who did it last time.
Over 200 images, with comments about what is going on with character history in each one.
https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/80105334

I would run to tomorrow (since I know how to queue images in order now), but I really lack that anon's encyclopedic knowledge

>>91845985
Unrelated, Tacticool Artemis is really doing something for me

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It'd be interesting to have some of the Amazons be distrustful and bitter towards men. Even one of them could be a 90's "bad girl" like Zealot/Artemis.

>>91846013
The thirst is real.

>>91846274
That's what the ads made it sound like, in fact. The pre-release material made it out to be the adventures of a bunch of Amazons traveling the world, solving mysteries, and despensing old world justice to rapists and wife beaters. For whatever reason, we instead got some utterly pedestrian rescue mission stretched out to six issues.

Decompression strikes again. Should've been a series of stand alone adventures with loose connective tissue.

>>91846066
Desu I'm way more into Cheetah murdering everyone than I am anything else with her. This page is great.

It is kinda interesting to take the retrospective here vs. how Barb has been given background in Rebirth Wonder Woman though >>91846080

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Ironic considering that the combat action seems to be the focus of the book, the action is completely boring because it's just them effortlessly mowing down faceless generic bad guys.

Even with how powerful the Amazons are, anything more than a dozen mooks should be a threat to their group.

>>91846373
I'm trying to find this interesting interview with Rucka and Sharp that described how the Cheetah origin in Rebirth was totally unplanned and arose organically from Sharp's amazing redesign, but I can't seem to locate it.

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>>91846456
Yeah, I was positive of it going in, and was just really bummed it was so uninteresting.

I did end up reading #2 and felt the characters weren't as bad as I initially felt, at least the actual Amazons. Still really basic stuff. "Pedestrian" is probably the best description.

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>>91846368
That is my kinda storytime right there.

>>91846456
>despensing old world justice to rapists and wife beaters
Just gonna drop my fave (fictional) revenge-of-the-wronged deity here:

glorantha.tumblr.com/post/102171357868/babeester-gor

Could definitely go with a Glorantha comic at some point or another. If you don't know it, it's this weird hyper-Campbellian TTRPG world and the same setting as King of Dragon Pass is placed in.

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>>91846465
I do love Rebirth Cheetah, I guess I could call it the "Heart of Ice" of Cheetah.

Honestly except for the uber violent nature of Cheetah, since Perez she's kinda had the same role as Circe-- ultra confident bad bitch that fucks with Diana. Which is great still, and I never would have had any problem with it had Rebirth Cheetah not been so damn good of a step up.

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Rebirth Cheetah is kinda like Two-Face, except without the decades of complete bungling and mishandling Two-Face has racked up.

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>>91846627
They had me at "Axe Goddess".

>>91846373
I dunno, Tex. Nearly every time man hate comes up, it nearly always spirals out of control into strawman caricature.

Which especially stupid since their back story with Hercules frankly gives them perfectly good reason to be distrustful of men. And yet, the Amazons are more often than not treated as the bad guys. Need I remind anyone of the Finch run, where they went full KILL ALL PENISES, or even, ugh, Amazons Attack?

It'd be nice to see some characters overcome their own sexism, but writers have continually proven they can't do it without being stupid.

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Rucka puts a lot of sexuality into Cheetah in this run, which Simone would in turn pick up on.

>>91846556
oh hey, Donna's alive again

>>91845911
He said. On an Aircraft Carrier blockade.

>>91846456
I think I would have been pretty interested in a bunch of one-shots or short sequences about individual stranded Amazons? That would have given you a lot of room to play around.

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>>91846704
I don't mean for it to be a revenge fantasy kind of thing, and like you say it's pretty difficult to skirt the line between something that seems real and strawman.

Like the awful Spirit of Truth with the Muslim strawmen.

Something I felt kind of weird about in Perez is that Heracles eventually comes and reconciles with the Amazons and is totally forgiven. He's demonstrated as fully reformed and all, but Hippolyta even starts crushing on him again, and finally Heracles chooses ascending to Olympus over getting to live in Paradise banging Hippolyta for eternity, to show that he is redeemed.

I don't wanna get into overanalyzing implications but I just didn't get what the point was. Maybe it was to be the start of their reintegration into Man's World that came a few arcs later?

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>>91846831
An issue for each of the main Amazons would have been pretty cool-- Phillipus, Menallipe, Antiope, Hippolyta, maybe bring back Io, and maybe Artemis. A mix of stories set before they went to Themyscira and some set on Themyscira or in modern times. Like Antiope's one would explore her whole history.

Remember those bonus books I posted each focusing on a specific Amazon? That's what I'm envisioning.

Though at that point it would be so far from the Odyssey pitch to be something entirely different anyway.

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And just the word "Odyssey" gives me PTSD flashbacks.

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To be continued in Infinite Crisis™ on sale at your local event comic dealer!

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Should have just gone to Kate in the first place.

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>kanga riders
Sometimes Rucka just gets it.

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Also Artemis literally with a big fucking 90's gun and trademark bad girl poses.

>>91847000
Something about Diana on trial even with her saying she intends/wants to accept the judgement just rubs me the wrong way.

>>91846907
>Though at that point it would be so far from the Odyssey pitch to be something entirely different anyway.
Hardly a bad thing. The Amazon supporting characters could use a boost. It always seems like they aren't as important as they should be in any given arc, can't really articulate why.

Plus, people keep bitching about a lack of a consistent supporting cast, so having some one shots focusing on the more well known Amazons is frankly a wise idea.

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Sorry to keep bringing up the bad girl stuff but I've been fascinated by it after reading some articles about them on womenwriteaboutcomics

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>>91847059
It feels like something out of 2006 Marvel.

>>91847077
>people keep bitching about a lack of a consistent supporting cast
Precisely what I was gonna bring up. All this Wondie reading has made me realize they need to bring back the classic Amazons, the Kapatelis's, maybe even fucking Inspector Indelicato.

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And they would just reuse this entire plot again years later in Amazons Attack.

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>Perez's Amazons hoped never to need weapons again
>Rucka's Amazons in tacticool armor with rifles and grenades
Mmkay.

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Not complaining, just thinking it's funny.

>Io, we need fresh J.O. crystals!

>>91846528
You ever wonder how many Supervillains have motivations more or less rooted in jealousy and feelings of inferiority?

>>91847148
>years later

It was actually like right after 52 ended so one year after IC. And Amazon Attack was actually planned for the WW book as a lead up to IC. For some reason Rucka decided otherwise.

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Whoops

>>91847132
>It feels like something out of 2006 Marvel.

Yeah. I just don't see what's happening here as in-character for Diane. I can see the angle on it but I'm unconvinced by it.

>>91847199
NGL the tacticool Amazons aren't really doing it for me either. It's a matter of personal tastes I guess.

>>91847224
>You ever wonder how many criminal have motivations more or less rooted in jealousy and feelings of inferiority?

>>91847080
feel free to link 'em though that site is often 2pretentious4me

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>>91847227
Yeah I was talking about that last thread, I do wonder what went on behind the scenes there, especially since the actual Amazons Attack event was without a doubt editorially forced.

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>>91847258
JSAnon linked this one a while ago which was how I found the site
http://womenwriteaboutcomics.com/2017/02/14/superheroes-and-the-true-female-power-fantasy/

I do like a lot of their articles, pretty intelligent stuff. Tried following a few on Twitter and they mostly retweet insufferable crap unfortunately, which is a trend with like everyone I like that writes about comics.

>>91847261
Yeah, the tacticool isn't working on anyone other than Artemis for me.

Also, Mamitu must have some pretty well known breasts

>>91847039
>>91847080
Eh, with other characters it looks silly, but Artemis IS a bad girl straight out of the 90s, so it works for her. Her outfit needs more skulls.

>>91847132
Odyssey made the mistake of making up a bunch of new characters nobody knows or cares about. To paraphrase the wise Mark Grudelwald, never make up superfluous new stuff when something that already exists will do.

And yes, bring back Vanessa and Julia.

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http://womenwriteaboutcomics.com/2017/04/12/wonder-woman-united-nations-feminism/

I like this one just because it brings up a lot of really interesting questions without trying to answer them because they're very complex issues.

Before reading that I thought the whole anger over the Wonder Woman as an ambassador thing was dumb but the article goes into the legitimate fears of both sides of the issue, while also commenting on how it's a lot more complicated than either side is making it out to be.

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>>91847306
>by Mamitu's breasts
In all honesty that's not very far from the level of the infamous America Chavez line

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I did some very shitty fanfics when I was a young'un and I'll admit to doing some oneliners almost as bad as the America thing.

>>91847300
I find with the site it very often comes to the writer on when an article's good or not. I do think that article us solid, there are good points to be made there and semi-regularly there are some interesting discussions/retrospectives from people with good specific knowledge too.

But other times, oof. I can usually hard pass on CN there.

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>>91847406
Exactly. There's some very cringey stuff. But kinda the whole shtick of these kind of sites is to overanalyze stuff to generate material for articles, so I can't blame em for just doing what everyone else does necessarily.

This piece was what got me reading a bunch of old WildCATs stuff:
http://womenwriteaboutcomics.com/2017/04/11/grown-images-bad-girls-25/

>>91847261
>>91847382
Quick google tells me Mamitu was a goddess of destiny/fate/curses and supposedly associated with newborns, which is probably the reason for that line. I mean, it's better than "By the fateful teats"

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>>91847481
Yeah it's got the root "mamma-" so I figured it was something to do with, well, mammaries.

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Apparently they've acquired a target.

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Kind of interesting that both Perez and Rucka's runs end with a subpar event crossover.

>>91847519
I confess I've no idea what the etymology of that is like beyond Latin, and that is pre-Latin.

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The difference that Perez ragequit DC because of it, Rucka stuck around for a few more years.

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>>91847596
There's a lot of words I only know because of Greek gods with similar names.

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I can't remember if that big "Purple Death Ray" from IC that bordered on insulting shows up in this or not

>>91846704

I never understood how Diana was so chill in Azzarello's run when every other amazon was full on murder-happy on men. Total disconnect.

>>91847059
It's not like they could coerce her. Or find a Superhero to help them do it.

Hell, I doubt they could even get Task Force X in on it. Wall just don't play that.

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>>91847641
It's one of my biggest problems with the run. Azz seems to paradoxically kind of get Wonder Woman herself but not anything involving her mythos.

But then also some of the things with Diana come off as playing lip service to her character rather than actually expressing the traits naturally (see the "I love everyone" scene).

Honestly, America's cringe line is 1000000% better if spoken by Robin.
>Holy menstruation, Batman!

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War of the Gods DOES have something I really like involving the Amazons: only a couple of the Amazons that went with Hippolyta to Man's World were actual dedicated warriors, so only Phillipus and her crew were able to fight adequately, while you had some other Amazons that were just running around like chickens with their heads cut off because they didn't want to fight.

One of them picks up an Uzi and tries to defend herself with it and is so shocked by the kick and firepower that she just throws it away and runs off.

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>>91847728
Too bad ASBaR will never get finished because it would work perfectly there.

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Imagine Batman and Robin going up against that one Slott villain, something-Flo, and Robin dropping that line.

>>91847758
It's really annoying how Lee is working on everything BUT ASBAR.

Like ASBAR continuation would've sold better than Suicide Squad and the new book from the new line
Johns' JL is probably Lee's only thing that would've sold as good or better than ASBAR part 2

>>91847758
It's pretty bad the most clever use of that cliche came from Batman Forever.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2qvULu70dE

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There's that Purple Death Ray.

I'm not the type to say stuff like "____ is rolling in his grave!", but Marston is totally rolling in his grave.

To be fair, this idea was created in the 70's technically.

>>91847819
I'm still surprised by how many copies of the latest DKR3 copy sold last month

>>91847641
I wouldn't think about it too hard, since it's just plain old vanilla bad writing.

>>91847693
In practice, it feels more like Azzarello's Wondy knowledge is secondhand, rather than coming from actually reading her books.

In fact, didn't he say that he never gave a shit about her until he started writing her? Rather telling, if so.

>>91847795
>that one Slott villain, something-Flo
You mean the one from Savage Dragon? Heavy Flo? What does that gotta do with Slott, senpai?

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>>91847819
I'm convinced neither wants to actually finish it and they're just playing lip service when they say it's still coming.

It's like the follow-up to The Widening Gyre, they know it's poorly received and just wanna forget about it at this point.

>>91846832

>Something I felt kind of weird about in Perez is that Heracles eventually comes and reconciles with the Amazons and is totally forgiven. He's demonstrated as fully reformed and all, but Hippolyta even starts crushing on him again, and finally Heracles chooses ascending to Olympus over getting to live in Paradise banging Hippolyta for eternity, to show that he is redeemed.

Goerge Perez handling of Heracles in his run never made any sense for me as well. Too many weird implications there.

For example i never understood why Perez (along with John Byrne) had Wonder Woman crushing hard on Superman after seeing him for brief minutes during the Legends cross-over arc. She even accepted to go on an arranged date with him in some secluded location.

You'd think that Wonder Woman'd see Superman as an obvious Herakles parallel: extremely powerful and famous hero who's also charming. Not that i'm calling Superman rapist or anything, but shouldn't she be a bit weary of him? Little bit conflicted about the idea of going on a blind-date with this stranger despite his fame?

But nope, instead she's there on this date and comparing him to Olympian gods while being somewhat peeved by his humbleness and insecurities.

Azz's run would've worked a lot better as an elseworld desu

>>91847840
>didn't he say that he never gave a shit about her until he started writing her?
I think he said something like that and something like he didn't like any of her villains

>>91847840
>In fact, didn't he say that he never gave a shit about her until he started writing her? Rather telling, if so.
desu I totally get where Azz is coming from here because I wanna write (reboot) the Inhumans but I hate all of them.

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>>91847840
Wouldn't doubt that at all.

>>91847854
Oh yeah, for some reason I associated that with GLA. Maybe I'm thinking of, Big Bertha I think her name was?

>>91847748
That's interesting vs. the not-Spartans approach because if you DO write them as not-Spartans you can't really ignore that Sparta inculcated its culture from early childhood and was brutal in doing so. In a way that went beyond its own society in more ways than just wars: look at like the Krypteia.

Paradise Island does not really line up with military fascism, right? Imagine Robert Heinlein's Themyscira, though!

>>91847866
ASBAR is a post-ironic modern classic though.

>>91847839
Why?

>>91847148
Hey hey hey, Amazons Attack was the Amazons invading Washington DC. This is Themyscira being invaded by OMAC. It's also probably better written and probably doesn't have any Bees.

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>>91847875
The date thing actually ended up being handled pretty well once I actually read it, IMO. They both admit to having just been attracted to the idea of another kind of "ideal" godlike person who they could relate to, but after their team-up they found they were too different.

I've got a good page of Superman explaining it here after this issue

>>91847866
Yeah

Miller will probably work on DKIV or that solo Carrie book he wants to write before they finish ASBAR

>>91847921
>probably doesn't have any Bees.
>implying that's a good thing

>>91847148
You just know the Hague Fagues are going to raise a stink about this too.

>HOW DARE YOU DEFEND YOURSELF AGAINST A SUPERVILLAIN
>HOW DARE YOU DEFEND YOUR HOMELAND AGAINST FLYING PUNK ROCK ROBOTS

>>91847199
To be fair, Perez's Amazons didn't have Artemis in charge of the armed forces.

>>91847878
>he didn't like any of her villains
Glass houses, dude. Seriously, with First Born? I'm supposed to take this crawling in my skin motherfucker seriously? Nah.

>>91847879
I feel like writing out of hate is a bad idea. I hate Warhammer 40K, but I'd never trust myself to write a story for it.

>>91847926

I'm not saying the date per see was badly written, although seeing Wonder Woman gushing about Superman's powers will always feel weird to me.

What bothered me was the set-up with Wonder Woman admitting having wet-dreams with Superman after seeing for brief moments during major crises and accepting to go on a blind date without any kind of internal conflict. You'd think she at least give pause and think about Herakles example.

Talking about Herakles, remember when John Byrne tried to set up a sorta of romance between her and Herakles-turned Champion?

>>91848005
This might be fun actually. What job *should* Artemis have relative to the rest of the Amazons? What about other big name Amazons? Do you have a strict canon on what you think is right?

I see Artemis as like, way more troubleshooter/operative than general.

>>91848019
how do you feel about nemesis the warlock

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>>91847898
The original, mythological Amazons were indeed just female Spartans, and the Amazons of Bana-Mighdall embody that aspect of the myth. Their patron was Ares instead of Gaea and Hera.

Marston very specifically wanted to turn the whole myth on its head with the Amazons instead being peaceful, democratic people.

Marston was kind of obsessed with the idea of female superiority, which made it weird in the 80's when feminism was changing radically towards the idea that men and women were the same and equal. Marston believed women embodied traits of peace, love, tenderness, all that stuff and those were inherent to women.

So that's part of why, I think, you've had this movement of Wonder Woman to being a warrior. There's less of what would be seen as a sexist implication.

>>91847902
I agree

>>91848005
Yep, and the Bana-Mighdallians were all integrating into the rest of the Amazons at the time, so it kind of makes sense to have more warrior-born types. My headcanon is just that we're not seeing any of the non-violent Amazons at the moment because they don't wanna get rekt.

>>91847916
I guess it is mostly because I had no idea about the levels of hype or interest in the title. I was not around on /co/ when it was announced, and honestly forgot that it was even coming out. The reviews of the first few issues gave me a bit of a "wait and see until it is finished" view of the book. The first issue came out at the end of 2015, and there is still one issue to go, so I forgot about it. Seeing it re-appear at #2 in March (losing to that overpriced Spiderman issue) was a bit of a surprise.

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>>91848027
>Wonder Woman admitting having wet-dreams with Superman after seeing for brief moments during major crises
Agreed, it was super weird and made me pretty uncomfortable.

How poorly that was handled was just what surprised me about how the actual date was handled. I don't really get why they bothered to do it at all.

>>91847875
>Goerge Perez handling of Heracles in his run never made any sense for me as well. Too many weird implications there.
The problem is that it was too easy. They find him imprisoned, let him out, then he's suddenly repentant. That kind of thing needs time.

>>91848037
Most of the Amazons do have a set job for the most part. But yeah, Artemis works more as the chick they send to do dirty jobs that require lots of stabbing.

>>91848019
>I feel like writing out of hate is a bad idea
Honestly, while I do hate those genequeer freaks, I wouldn't really go into that gig with any destructive ambitions, instead I'd try to see what doesn't work about them, what turns people away from them, and try and fix that. I also feel like they're too superheroic nowadays for my taste, a bunch of alien-experimented weirdos that owned slaves called "the Inhumans" should be more detached, more bizarre, more cruel from our point of view, and more, well, inhuman. Buuuut that's just me.

>>91848151
Why haven't we SEEN any Alpha Primitives since they were supposedly "freed" eh? Where have they all gone?

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>>91848037
Menallipe = priestess
Phillipus = royal guard/consort
Artemis = general (Euboea, the Asian Amazon is a general though)
Penelope = Menallipe's "partner", also preistess
Pythia = warrior

I think Helene was either a sculptor or a historian, whichever she was the other one I don't remember the name of.

Those are the ones I remember the names of, Rucka introduced some good ones in Year One, too.

>>91848063
>a strong woman can't be strong if she's also nice
The fact there are people who legitimately think this is fucking offensive.

>>91848061
Apathetic. Never read it, don't know anything about it, don't care.

>>91848182
They are probably on the secret moon base that they have filled with guns and mechasuits.

Or, they are with all of the failed primary and secondary terrigenesis cases who can't operate because of the mists (aka the ones that Marvel will never acknowledge again)

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>>91848133
To be fair he was stuck down there for thousands of years, but that didn't seem to affect any other god and/or imprisoned Titan being brutally mutilated daily.

>>91848063
A bunch of mythological Amazons are daughters, worshipers or lovers of Ares right? You even have weird male chaste stories like Lysippe. I should read more about what Marston thought because that's obviously a really deliberate inversion.

>>91848240
Are the amazons about to push the donkey wheel and teleport away?

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>>91848235
Yeah it's definitely a symptom of the girl power movement. People used to say women CAN'T be badass, so therefore now women MUST be badass.

>>91848235
>Apathetic. Never read it, don't know anything about it, don't care.
It's pretty great and the inspiration for a huge amount of stuff that 40k subsequently ripped off, but the tone is v. different to how 40k is now. I dunno just thought YMMV on it.

>>91848037
>This might be fun actually. What job *should* Artemis have relative to the rest of the Amazons?
If not as the Head of the Armed forces (Assuming Phillipus has that position and isn't just being Consort to Hippolyta) Anything that involves running full tilt into the shit.
>>91847261
Case in point.

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>You can actually pinpoint the second when her heart breaks in half!

>>91848098

>I don't really get why they bothered to do it at all.

Well, Perez and Byrne were rebooting Wonder Woman and Superman respectively, so i guess they thought that the idea of the pairing would obviously pop up any time and decided to partner up to get that obstacle away from their way as quickly as possible.

But yeah, there was hardly any build up. Superman's reasoning i understood. He thought that WW could be someone he could date freely without the headache of the drama of secret identities and hiding superpowers. But Wonder Woman's reasoning made no sense to me given the amazon's history and her inexperience.

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Here's Superman somewhat nervously breaking down his relationship with Wonder Woman, which tabloids don't buy one bit.

>>91848295
Phillipus is definitely the royal guard/bang buddy. Euboea was head of the armed forces.

Later on I think someone just forgot all the other Amazons except Phillipus so they didn't show up until Jimenez brought them back.

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I really like these last two issues.

>>91848400
What luscious eyelashes Supes has

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>Diana gets baptized

Also kind of... maybe meta title?

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>Athena fucking leave me alone already jesus christ I swear if you weren't a god

>>91848430
Jill Thompson makes everyone luscious.

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Bad touch, BAD TOUCH

>>91848471
That's actually Colleen Doran, who rather infamously draws her men with a rather... pronounced feminine touch.

>>91848210
>Penelope = Menallipe's "partner", also preistess
Again, I'm so glad we can just fucking say it these days. The Amazons are the sisters of Sappho, the munchers of carpet, the fans of Life is Strange, they got femmes, they got butches, they love tacos, and they love clams. Turns out girls CAN love girls, because the Amazons are a bunch of lesbians, and thank fuck writers don't have to skirt around the bleeding obvious anymore, cause it was getting really fucking tedious to have to put up with all that wink wink nudge nudge bullshit. Goddamn.

>>91848529

Well, i approve it. Superman can be rather feminine sometimes. At least that's what all the A/B/O fanfics starring him tells me.

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Sorry, cat stepped on the goddamn power strip connecting to my router.

I was reading Wonder Woman #600 yesterday (which is what launched Odyssey) and Johns writes a short scene in it, and I realized it's the EXACT same scene he fucking wrote for her in Darkseid War AND Rebirth.

He just really has a thing for Diana looking out at the sea.

>>91848517

>that moment when you want to comfort your female friend but doesn't know how to touch her heart without making it weird

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>>91848529
Wait, really?
*looks up*
Damn, you're right.

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>>91848624
The eternal problem of having large-chested friends.

>>91848619

Wonder Woman looking out at the sea is akin to Batman hunched over a gargoyle or Superman puffing his chest nearby a hoisted flag.

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Guys give me one sec because for whatever reason when the goddamn cat shuts off the internet 4chan just completely breaks when I reconnect, until I restart the PC.

>>91848529
I swear, you write ONE super gay psychic space opera and...

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>>91848677
To be fair, that is kind of unavoidable considering were they each live.

A might difficult to not look out at the ocean when you live on an island.

Speaking of islands, I can't even imagine where Rucka v2 is going with its Themyscira plot.

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>more out of Bludhaven
Wasn't this right after it was fucking blown up?

>>91848677
LMAO

>>91848210
>I brainwashed all these people to commit genocide
>You're bad people because you chose to defend yourselves

One question, since when the Lazarus pits started to be associated with the amazons? I've see that this topic pop every now and then.

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>>91848771
I think it was going to eventually have a plot of Diana having to become "worthy" to get back to Themyscira. Probably involving Ares if the tree is any indication, which means maybe Harmonia and Eris would show up?

Maybe he'd retcon the gods in Azz's run to be Roman gods and merge them with the Greek versions like Perez did?

I'm fairly certain Circe would have to have a large amount to do with all the fuckery going on.

I wonder if Rucka's going to try and cram as much of his plot into his last issues as he can or if he's going to leave them to be followed-up on by a later writer.

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That could end up being a clusterfuck if the next longterm writer isn't on the same page as Rucka. It's already taken Tomasi and Jurgens all this monumental effort to sort out Superman's new continuity.

>>91848210
>>91848816
Brother Eye is kind of retarded.

>>91848967

>Maybe he'd retcon the gods in Azz's run to be Roman gods and merge them with the Greek versions like Perez did?

Man, that was pure craziness. I bet it was done because DC didn't want a rapist powering Billy Batson.

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>>91848889
I don't remember it ever being associated with Amazons, you may be mistaken.

>>91849017
Like DC gives a shit about Captain Marvel.

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>>91849017
I liked the introduction of the Romans as being douchey versions of the Greeks, which is why I was bummed when they ultimately just merged them with the Greeks.

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>>91849102
My belief is they're now holding off on him because they want to make him a big brand, but are waiting on JL to come out so they can decide what direction they're gonna go with it.

And Johns is keeping him all to himself as we know and is probably being really protective because he doesn't want anyone else to fuck with him.

>>91848995

>That could end up being a clusterfuck if the next longterm writer isn't on the same page as Rucka.

It's already a clusterfuck. You've Dan Abnett using the Finches' origin for Donna Troy as a plot-point, Francis Manapul using the 'New 52' incarnation of Circe, Bryan Hitch constantly referencing the fact that Diana's Zeus' bastard child and so many other discrepancies.

So Rucka better tie everything neatly and give his editors some sort of bible.

>>91848967
>I'm fairly certain Circe would have to have a large amount to do with all the fuckery going on.
I hope it's this, and not just because Circe is my evilfu. It just makes sense that she would be behind all this since 1) arches gonna arch, and 2) why would you bother having her show up in The Truth if she wasn't going to have anything to do with The Lies? Basic conservation of detail.

Ares is locked up somewhere, leaving Circe the only character with the ability to pull it off, and with the motivation to do it.

>>91849050

Wagner's Trinity book, The Batman 66'/Wonder Woman 77' cross-over, some other Batman's book i'm forgetting and i think a JL arc.

>>91849169
I'm talking historically, or have we forgotten so soon shit like Trials of Shazam, or the 70's Shazam reboot?

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Johns just needs to admit he's never gonna have enough time to write comics again and appoint a puppet writer to script his plots for him.

>>91849172
I don't read Hitch League so IDK what's even going on over there. Rucka definitely needs to leave some goddamn notes and an editor needs to stick to them because the last thing Wondie needs on the cusp of becoming big again is to have a continuity clusterfuck.

With Donna Troy I was shocked they actually brought up the Finch shit again in that annual. Why does being Donna have to be so fucking awful?

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>>91849196
Yep my feeling with her showing up last issue was to set her up as a big reveal later.

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On my island, it means Hope.

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Rucka's last issue, and her last issue before getting "revamped".

Prepare for feels.

>>91849292

>With Donna Troy I was shocked they actually brought up the Finch shit again in that annual. Why does being Donna have to be so fucking awful?

The thing that bothered me is that Abnett had given Donna the perfect origin in the Titans: Hunt mini-series. She was rescued by Diana as a child and raised among the amazons. BAM. Simple as shit and cute to boot.

Then the annual came and with it the awful TWEEST that Finches stupidity was still canon. The awful portrayal of Diana in it was just the icing on the shitcake.

>>91848677
I love it.

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More shipper bait, thanks tabloids!

>>91849384
Yep, I just don't get why they did that. Like, why does it seem to be so difficult to just NOT make things complicated? All you have to do is not do anything!

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Time for daughterfu

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Hey, coincidentally to our earlier conversation, here's some recap of that very same early WonderSupers thing

>>91849292
>>91849384
>>91849432

And now Donna's gonna be used for relationship drama in the Roy, Wally, Donna love triangle spat. Another thing completely out of left field.

>>91849474

Rucka here tried to retcon out the date between the out. Cheeky cunt. Come on, Diana. He totally forced kiss you.

>>91849384
That was actually the original origin for Donna in the 60's Teen Titans. And it worked.

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>>91849483
I'm predicting that's a bit of a fakeout. At least I hope so. To be fair Wally was pretty goddamn horny back in early NTT and Linda's giving him cobalt blue balls.

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Is Clark's ma Italian?

>>91849384
I think it really is best to assume the 52 explanation. Donna is a living anomaly who technically exists in all points of space and time. Fixes everything.

Instead of getting a headache and trying to figure out which of her million origins is the right one, I'm going with the fuck it option and seeing it as a feature, not a bug.

Or at the very least, we can stop harping on this single aspect of her character and just let her do superhero shit.

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Remember this?

>Does He Do Anything Slow?
I'll never get tired of this joke.

>>91849623
Donna's official origin should just be "it's just a comic, I should really just relax".

>>91849530

>I'm predicting that's a bit of a fakeout

Eh. I don't think so. Abnett will probably use the excuse that Wally and Donna are two people are confused about their past and sad about what a clusterfuck their lives currently is to set them up together as a couple. Then you'll have Roy going REEEEEEEE with jealousy until Wally come to grips that the woman he loves is Linda although sex with Donna definitely felt great.

Donna then will be left alone like always collecting the pieces of her fucked up love life.

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I don't know if it's intentional but Deadshot looks like he's just going through the motions.

Like "OK let's get this fight over with in less than a page, please, so I can go home".

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>>91849704
I like using Donna to explore concepts that are kind of OOC for Diana, in your case, being great at banging.

>>91849664
>>91849713
This costume is so fucking stupid, and yet, it somehow manages to kind of work when someone other than Deodato draws it.

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You know what would have been nice? Instead of garbage fires like Odyssey and Grounded, if right before New 52 we had gotten "endings" for the pre-Flashpoint characters like pre-Crisis Superman and Earth-One Batman and Wonder Woman got.

That's what I had wanted out of Convergence, too.

But as we know New 52 was kind of shoved on everyone at the last minute.

>>91849664
Wait, are they trying to suggest Oreos can help you lose wait?

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>>91849806
Fucking right? I even actually like Deodato's.

It's like Superboy's 90's costume. It shouldn't work, and each individual piece is stupid, but altogether it somehow looks cool.

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>>91849841
Have you ever seen a tabloid cover? They claim EVERYTHING helps you lose weight, but also gives you cancer.

My main problem with Dan Abnett's run is that he's just redoing old plots. The first arc with Abracadabra came straight from Mark Waid's The Flash run. The whole current mess with Donna's messy origin and romance with Wally come from John Byrne's Dark Angel Saga where Wally recreated Donna based from his memories. You even had the whole love triangle since Donna felt that Wally recreated her with this saintly image because he always placed her on a pedestal so then she went and sexed Roy again to show him was a flawed human she was. Not to mention the Judas Contract redoo cross-over we're bound to.

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;_;

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>>91849891
IMO Abnett isn't so great with plots in general, his strength is with characters.

Maybe that's where Lanning came in back in the day.

>>91849863
I haven't really paid attention to tabloids since Weekly World News stopped printing.

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I guess we kinda just need issues like this for Rebirth Superman and Wonder Woman.

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>>91849940
I can't help but look when I'm waiting in line for groceries, they must have some comedy geniuses writing for them.

>>91848785
The next thing I remember with the gods was Zeus flying around in space-spandex drilling for god juices or something in the Simone run. I should go back go that again

>>91849848
Unpopular Opinion: I like Diana's Odyssey outfit, jacket included.

>>91849964

Rucka's going to do a special issue about how Rebirth Wondy first met Rebirth Superman and... unh whatever Batman, right?

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>>91849994
We're gonna be reading it!

>>91849806
It works even when Deodato draws it. It's literally her best costume. It's stylish as fuck.

>>91850003

Me too, anon. Me too.

What i never got from Odyssey was the talking cat sidekick.

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>>91850003
I can see why people dig it, though I'm not a fan.

The jacket isn't so bad, it's the goddamn pants.

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>>91850047
I was reading the interview in WW #600 with JMS where he was talking about all his problems with Wondie and how he was gonna "fix" everything and just REEEEing my fucking brains out.

>>91850048

Oh, you're one of the no-pants caper, huh?

>>91849713
>I don't know if it's intentional but Deadshot looks like he's just going through the motions.
By the end of Ostrander's Run, Deadshot turned a bit, dead inside. He was never quite the same after that hike in Verde Diablo.

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>>91850088
I'm dedicated religiously to no-pants.

>>91850089
That's my favorite thing about the character. After the whole thing with him losing his bananas at the Lincoln Memorial.

>>91849579
Diana...looking thin? Jesus mama Kent, you certainly have unrealistic standards for women

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If you've never had a best friend forever of the opposite sex, you're missing out IMO.

>>91848637
For fuck's sake Athena, you're Greek, you know of the Socratic circle. Yes, the woman who's killed a total of 3 Medusas for you is answering your question with a fucking question.

>>91850079

That page always crack me up for some reason. The whole thing with Superman feeling awkward about people seeing them as a pair and them both reiterating for the up-tenth time they're just superfriends. I think the reason are the faces.

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Are you ready to find out Who Wonder Woman Is? :^)

Thanks for reading, y'all. Next time we're doing Simone's run!

>>91850153
This page is basically how I feel about shitposters.

>>91850150
Ma Kent:
>UHH THICCER!

>>91849807
I... want to see Bruce having to interact with Artemis at league meetings. Was her stint as WW carried in to other books?

>>91850150
>>91850241

Do you think Rebirth Lois went through a whole weird phase were she was fat as hell because of Ma Kent? This discounting her pregnancy, of course.

>>91850241
Thanks for posting, Tex.

>Simone next
I admit, I haven't read much of Simone's run, but The Circle is top quality comics.

>>91849848
I'd like to see it drawn as actual clothes. Like the bra as a sports bra, the shorts as actual shorts over some kind of rubber mold. Some shots of the jacket done up as well as hanging open.

>>91849524
I still say Donna should just be a Human Time Machine, falling in and out of reality with hastily built up backstories to preserve her sanity.

>>91849367
>QUICK MEN!
>RAISE THE ROOF!
>RAISE THE ROOF FOR YOUR LIVES!

>>91850128
>After the whole thing with him losing his bananas at the Lincoln Memorial.
Fun fact: Deadshot was originally supposed to die there.

>>91850666 Thank you Texan.

>>91850270
Booster and Beetle gave her shit for saying she was Wonder Woman and I think ultimately she never actually joined the JLI, being dead by the second issue of her tenure.

Thank you

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>>91853510
Hey Texas, found a cute shot of Diana!

Tip: do not eat before watching Day of the Dead.

>>91854413
God dammit, morrison.

>>91854498
Yeah, I assume you aren't too pleased with her role in Final Crisis

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>>91854569
I accepted Morrison's explanation even though it was obviously just covering his ass.

He really should have just written her completely out in some way and not even bothered.

>>91854650
I'm reading through the first issue of Simone's run right now (The Circle pt1) and it is going to take all my willpower to not post an image during the storytime if you plan on posting that issue.

>>91855300
I don't mind images as long as it's not spammy, and the Circle is only a couple issues long.

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>>91848418
>Dat cover

>>91855349
Why is a man with a loaf of bread for a head examining Byonetta's ass

>>91855366
That's not Bayonetta, that's Mishiro, best character from Idomaster.
Sadly she is just a secondary character.
>Bread for a head man examining her ass
It's hard to explain.

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>>91855366
That's Dr. Faust, you fool. Bayo's about to get a kancho.

>>91845845
>that cover
EROTIC.png

>>91855435
>You will never kancho Bayonetta
>You will never gave her pleasure for two seconds before she kills you for doing that
Why live?

>>91855349
This deserves a butt bump.

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>>91854650
Here, have a cover

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>>91856189
and a page

>>91856218
kitty titties > wonder titties
desu

>>91856189
The las Secret Six run was not so good yet not so bad.
Also, what was Riddler doing on Flash?

>>91856511
Flash at that time was just the writers throwing shit at the walls, they just had no fucking idea what they were doing to the point they basically admitted later that they didn't give a shit until they started watching the show and then just tried to copy the show.

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One last cover for the night

>>91850089
Which is why it always feels a bit weird with how Simone wrote him in Secret Six.

>>91850153
It's great, comics really need more male/female friendships in general.