Moana. If you could make three changes retroactively, how would

>>91747655
>Give her a black romantic interest
>More fan service, maybe an upskirt or 3
>My hometown in Congo could be referenced

>>91747712
>>Give her a black romantic interest
Fuck off, I'm glad she didn't get paired up with the huge chunky monkey.

>>91747840
It would have made the film better and you know it.

>>91747655
Make Teratoma the main villain.

Either make the coconut pirates more plot relevant or remove them.

Some third thing

>get to sea faster
>more monsters
>less chicken

>>91747712
>Give her a black romantic interest
YES!!!

>>91747951
Make Tamatoa the main villain AND have him team up with the coconuts.

A coconut crab.
With coconut minions.

>>91747951
>Teratoma

What

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>>91747655
More porn

That's about it, movie's really solid

>>91747712
>black
Lol you black people dont realize white people are the only humans that see you as people. Everyone else one earths sees you like one would see a monkey that can walk and this is no joke the racism blacks experience in South East Asia who are relatives of Polynesians is pretty high.

>>91748061
That's why we need more black/Asian pairings in the media to combat this reality, brother

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>>91747840
He'd end up killing her with his demigod dick

Change it from a film to a 6-episode animated series.

>no coconut song
>out to sea way faster
>less "I am Moana of Motunui. You will board my boat and restore the heart to Te Fiti.", chicken filler, trying to sail etc...

Honestly my biggest problem with that film was way to much filler. I feel like I edited it out I would be left with like 20 min of actual plot.

Better songs

More focused story (less bad guys, moana having something to do with the plot and characters of the movie named after her, less "we got to do this thing so lets do it")

90/00's disney fanservice, the movie is set in fucking polynesia and the only action we got was the granny drooping her tits. I miss the belly dancers from aladdin and lifeguard from lilo and stitch.

>>91747712
>movie is polynesian as fuck
>want it to be all about africa instead
black supremacists are funnier than white ones only b/c at least they don't have a chance in hell of ruining geopolitics and civilization in general.

>>91748146
>Better songs

There isn't a single song in this movie I didn't like or find catchy. What would you have changed?

Make every character white and completely change the setting.

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>>91748146
I feel like they did the best they could with the fanservice without causing a shitstorm with SJW's. Also she's only 16

more of the crab

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>>91747712
>>91748256

>>91748224
Nothing stood out for me. They're all completely passable but not one of them stood out as genuinely memorable, except maybe shiny, but I'd put that squarely down to how unexpected it was.

>>91748061
>South East Asia who are relatives of Polynesians
*inhales* WRONG
There´s a lot of controversy about the origins of Polynesians, but imho it is far more likely that they are from South America (Look up Thor Heyerdahl, he researched that stuff, incredible man; also, the Ur-Island in Moana is called Te-Fiti, which literally is Polynesian for "east").
But yes, everyone except us caucasians see niggers as the subhumans they are.

>>91748224
The crab song was legit garbage. I don't care if it was a David Bowie spoof, it was poorly written and half-hearted.
The coconut raiders could have gotten some kind of musical numbers with their drums.

>>91748396
>The crab song was legit garbage

Kys my man

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>>91747655

switch the protagonist with deuteragonist.

>>91748396
>The crab song was legit garbage.
You black people have the worst taste in music.

>>91747655
More monsters.

More of the adorable little pig.

More Tomato senpai as the villain.

Aside from that, I enjoyed the movie.

>>91748493
Why the fuck did it have to be black.
Why does tumblr ALWAYS do that shit.

>>91748494
Can agree with this.
I had to work with a black dude all week and the only music he fucking played was either generic rap or some spanish shit.

>>91747655
make everyone white, watching monkeys is borin asf

>>91748609
cause only black people count towards diversity

>>91748614
Fuck off /pol/

>>91747655
I could think of more reasons how to improve on Frozen than I could for Moana.

I'd probably reorchestrate "Shiny" though. That song felt like a fucking first draft.

>>91747655
Bigger titties
Even bigger titties
Bigger ass too

>>91748609
I'm sure he's just a Polynesian
Y'know that thing EVERYONE in ther movie is

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>>91748609

sigh.

>>91749060
What even is this supposed to be?

>>91747655
Make the demigod not look fucking disgusting and act like an asshole in the trailers

>>91749185
Literally tumblr tier complaint

>>91749137
Human Tomatoa probably?

>>91747655
Real villain
Attractive pretty boy character(s) for fujos
Another girl character of Moana age for yurifags

>>91747655
NO SINGING

>>91747655
1) Add a more prominent villain. A huge chunk of a Disney movie's charm comes from a good villain. Here we have goblins for 5 minutes, a cool crab for 5 minutes and a villain who's not actually a villain for another 5.

2) More action scenes in different locations, Moana's body was so incredibly tight and light,it was a treat seeing her move, and the movie needed more backdrops.

3) More fanservice, we would have gotten more enjoyment out of Moana's hot bod if she wore less. Also the Ocean should be a hot elemental instead of just a wave, and Tafiti could have used a bit more sex appeal as well, in both forms.

>Fire Lin Manuel Miranda and get an actually talented songwriter
>Make the father a bigger plot issue
>Make the villain(s) actually interesting

>>91749869
>Fire Lin manuel and get an actually talented songwriter

What's the deal with /co/ntrarians lately?

>>91749966
The songs were pretty weak.
That's not to say they weren't nice, but there wasn't any Let It Go, Friend Like Me or Just Can't Wait to be King quality songs at all.

>>91749966
>He fell for the Hamilton meme

Lin Manuel isn't all that talented, and the music was some of the weakest parts of the film

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>>91747655
HAND-DRAW IT!

>>91748910
My work here's been done for me

1. More plot.
the biggest things I remember are
a. leave island, find maui
b. get hook
c. return jewel
most of the movie felt really skip-able, especially compared to, say, Frozen or Zootopia, where most interactions advanced the plot in a different way.

2. Better characterization.
Maui felt weird the entire movie. It seemed like he was dragging his feet the entire time, but not in an interesting way.
They could have made him a more selfish/neutral character like Kristoph or Flynn, and he was halfway there, but didn't quite get it.

Moana also could have used some work. Give her more flaws besides ignorant. Even Tiana (princess&frog) had more aspects to her character. Moana came off as a too good.

Clement's Crab could have also been more involved, but he really illustrates the problem in 1.; things show up, leave, and it feels like there was no impact.

3. Better songs
>>91748332
>>91748224
You're Welcome was kind of funny, and Shiny was brilliant but the songs did need to be worked on some more. Pretty forgettable.

>>91750554
God, this looks so great.

For 90% of the film it's only Moana and Maui, and they barely really interact apart from the montage where she learns to navigate.

Can you name another Disney film that has had this few characters for such a long amount of time?

>>91750364
We Know The Way was on par, it's just hard to sing along with.

>>91747655

Cut out some of the time on the island to have more mythical creatures to fight (maybe have that fight serve as a replacement to the laughably short montage that fucks up both character's growth).

I'd like Moana to perhaps be a bit more selfish in her desire to leave the island (maybe replace CONSIDER THE COCONUT with a tweaked version of 'More' that was cut).

Would have liked a new song rather than hearing How Far I Go sung three times.

>>91747655
Maui doesn't job every fight he's in, specifically he tricksters the shit out of Tamatoa after his shapeshifting is on the fritz

>>91750876

Maui got a big rewrite late on. He was originally still worshipped and was going to teach Moana to be a hero. Him fucking up the world was a big secret/revelation.

There's an early version of the song about this on the OST called Warrior Face which is a bit bland but could have been neat after going through a producer's rewrite.

Serious answer, I would just make Maui the main character instead of Moana. Moana cannot carry a movie, she has no charisma and is incredibly incompetent maybe all but twice. Just have her in the movie for Maui to play off of but otherwise Maui is far more interesting in every way, from his backstory, to his character development and journey.

>>91748092
Why should we even combat it? Get your brethen to change their ways and maybe people will start seeing you in a new light.

>>91751111

i'm fucking sick of rewrites at disney.
>elsa was a villain
>nick wilde was a jew
>maui was going to be the protagonist

i prefer to be oblivious.

>>91748256
but Frozen was a terrible movie

>>91751430

Just you wait until you read about what they did to Tangled

-Set it in Middle Earth
-The Heart is now the Ring of Power
-Tefiti is Mount Doom

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She wasn't COLONIZED

>>91751430
Every movie you've ever watched has probably experienced rewrites. You just aren't aware of them.

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>>91747655

>Make the music sound more polynesian.

I get that the ukele wasn't around in that era and is a bit cliche. I personally wish the soundtrack was more traditional 'polynesian' (as in tribal with more regional and traditional instruments) than the annoyingly fucking generic guitar. I am sick of that guitar in disney movies where it does not fit.
I just want better songs in general because I couldn't remember a single one other than the refrain of 'your welcome'. I know catchy doesn't exactly mean good but when you're more immersed into the setting of Lilo and Stitch in regards to it's original music (not the Elvis stuff) than an actual musical I'm seriously disappointed.

>A somewhat different moral than just 'discovering who you are'

Like…it just feels pandering and didn't make a lot of sense in terms of Moana's development. It's also generic as hell in this modern culture. I don't mean go back to the typical 'marry for love' moral of the past, but something a little more thought provoking would have done wonders.

>better exploration and immersion into the various environments other than the ocean.

This is just a pet peeve of mine but I barely felt any sense of actually 'being' on the islands/in the world that was presented to us.

Movies like Ratioulle were decently aesthetic enough that you felt immersed into the world that they made but with this it just felt meh.

>>91752338
yah i know, reverse Enchanted.

>>91752627
and i like it that way.

-Change Tamatoa for a rival demigod in charge of the coconut pirates like the anon doing the animatic did.
- make it so it was Moana's older brothet who drowned
- Add a scene of Maui realizing he fucked up before going back to help Moana

>Maui is now the main character and the movie is from his perspective
>Moana is a girl who finds him in order to figure out why everything is so fucked up
>Maui, in his isolation, never knew how fucked up everything had gotten and how now he is regarded as having doomed everyone
>Moana has no chosen one bullshit plot armor powers and no shitty chicken companion
>She doesn't have the Heart of Tefiti or whatever either
>Maui wants to be a hero again so they have to go find the hook and the heart and all that
>Have a villain who actually shows up more than one fucking time, like Disco Crab appears twice or Maui runs into some dudes from the underworld still pissed about that time he stole fire, fucking SOMETHING
>Along the way Maui grows to see Moana as a daughter surrogate, realizes he has to grow up, etc.
>He's the one who returns the heart in the end, completing the cycle and the natural Hero's Journey

That's it. Moana is now a good movie. It always could have been but they had to go full DIVERSITY and have a "strong female lead" who was useless shit anyway.

>>91747655
>Make Maui the main character
>Make Moana dissappear
>Make the movie about Maui's mythological feats, playing with his inadequacy and how he compensates by spoonfeeding the human race having him at the end coming to accept himself for who he is and letting humankind grow on its own

>>91752744
You have no idea what diversity means do you?
And thanks for reminding me why no one on /co/ should ever attempt writing a script for a movie

>>91752880
>And thanks for reminding me why no one on /co/ should ever attempt writing a script for a movie

Because it keeps the same general plot of the movie while minimizing the shittiest part of it?

>>91752874
>Make the movie about Maui's feats

Wasn't that the entirety of 'You're Welcome'?

>>91752880
I think he had a pretty good idea.

>>91752964
Everything that was described in that song was WAY more interesting than the actual plot.

>>91752989

Yeah in the beginning when it shows all the demigods fighting over the heart and Maui infiltrating the island and taking it, and when he's singing You're Welcome, I couldn't help but think "why couldn't the movie just be about this?"

Give based crab anon the chances, this video proves that the movie was salvageable
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LbCujYfIW34

>>91753036
I feel the same way about Hercules. There's this myth about the revolution of the Giants and it was fucking amazing; would have made for an incredible movie.
Basically the giants are pissed at the gods for putting the Titans in Tartarus, so they start fucking things up for the gods.
The gods want to fight back, but it turns out only Heracles could kill them because of a prophecy Hera had. So, you had all the gods fighting the giants and Heracles giving the finishing blow. The way it was told was fucking great. They could have made the movie about this; Hercules gets the spotlight, it's faithful to Mythology and you could still sneak in Hercules' reason to become a hero as he is the only one who could stop them.

>>91753255
>we'll never get an animated romp by Disney about Zeus raping everyone he fancies

>>91753345
Wasn't this in Fantasia? I'd swear I've seen a webm of Zeus turning into a bull and taking a woman with him.

>>91753255

Yeah a lot of these myths are thrilling on their own and combined with good animation, music, and creative visuals they would be magical. But instead you get these original stories so Disney can force in a romance or some gurrrl power and the whole thing turns out tepid.

Moana has The Rock playing a guy who fishes islands out of the sea and lassos the wind, stole fire from Hell itself, lifted the sky, and he spends the whole movie following some random boring bitch who would have died ten times if the ocean itself didn't magically save her ass and constantly push her towards the plot's conclusion. It's absurd. Moana, Moana's problems, her whole character arc, are so laughably shitty in comparison to Maui's, but Maui's crises are all solved offscreen while we watch Moana agonize about how she doesn't deserve to have been carried that far by nothing but sheer plotforce.

I'm seriously still amazed people believed this was a good movie.

>>91747655
Remove the Dreamworks kid from the dance scene.

Add some more time between Moana giving up on her quest and manta ray grandma coming to the rescue.

Elsa and Anna bikini cameo.

Other than that I can't really think of anything. The movie was pretty great.

>>91747655
>take out the twitter joke
>have Maui do some legit demi-god stuff something like throwing a monster into the sun pulling up a island etc
>had in a scene showing why Maui came back to Moana at the end

What was the deal with the chicken and the pig? They never did anything, but seemed like they were designed to be comic relief companions.

>>91752874
That seems like Wreck It Ralph almost.

>>91752744
>chosen one bullshit plot armor powers

I never knew how much this bothered me until now.

>>91754040
>What was the deal with the chicken and the pig?

They were presumably going to have Moana have a Disney princess animal companion but then they decided not to because it would be too cliche. So they didn't use the pig but still kept its design in there. Instead they went with the chicken because "hey guys wouldn't it be a hilarious subversion if she had one, but it was uncute and retarded?"

It wasn't.

>>91754252
>it wasn't
watching that chicken was like a protection mission in a game. It did nothing and they almost died saving it

>>91754040

Rewrites.

Originally the Pig featured more.

Writers decided they liked the chicken jokes so wrote in into the story as the main mascot character. Was too difficult for the pig to be on the small boat so he got cut.

A bunch of Merchandise had already been made so they gave the pig so they slotted him in to some scenes at the start.

Not the first time this has happened. Remember someone talking about how a late rewrite to a Disney film resulted in a game having a bunch of stuff that bared no resemblance to the film.

>>91747655
>include the song warrior face
>make the movie hand drawn 2d
>show why maui came back to help moana

1. Introduce Maoi's FULL backstory way earlier to give context.
2. Build up Tamatoa and the monster realm better and make them spend more time making their way through there and learning that they need each other or whatever. Make it at least ATTEMPT to feel like an epic.
3. Give the heartless molten shell of Te Fiti a voice (not necessarily literally). The "twist" had no impact because she wasn't a character, she was just an obstacle.

1. bigger tits
2. bigger ass
3. a random Nickleback song in the middle

>>91752880

What about those ideas is so horrible?

>>91747655
>make more interesting villan
>make more spots for an adventure movie
>cut out stupid cliché friend arguing then later making up scene

>>91747951

its a road adventure movie, not every obstacle they find along the way needs to be all directed by the final boss. you're wanting to make the movie *more* generic.

>>91759008

There was no sense of them having gone to many places or a long distance though. Where was anything in the movie in relation to other shit? And NOTHING was relevant towards the ending.

A Goofy Movie is a road adventure movie, Moana was just an unfocused mess.

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>Let Pua the pig come on the adventure.
>Actually explain the ocean controlling thing.
>Make the parents more three dimensional. (Reminded me too much of Judy Hopp's parents)

>>91747655
1) Give Dwayne Johnson another song
2) Cut the chicken
3) Granny coming back as a ghost to talk with her felt hamfisted and forced, it'd work better if she just had the vision of her ancestors and the manta rey and found her resolve through that.

>>91759515
it already had a comic relief. Plus, I really hate animal sidekicks

>>91759104
Well it could've made for a more interesting movie. But the point being they could've had more obstacles. There were only three obstacles in mostly empty sea. Hell they could've atleast had the sea cancer be more prevalent.
>>91759515
She doesn't control the ocean it's just her friend bu it does whatever it wants.

>>91759556
Actually, I regret this as soon as I hit post. Cut the coconut pirates entirely and give more focus to Maui and Moana bonding with the freed up screentime, and keep the chicken.

>>91759568

I don't know what you're trying to say. I don't disagree with any of that. The movie was supposed to be some kind of journey but it was shit because there was no sense of a journey. The sea was, as you said, mostly empty and they faced few obstacles. Even the passage of time was unclear. If it wasn't for the montage it'd be like the whole movie took place in 1 day.

>older
>T H I C C E R
>massive cocktease to Maui all film

ok, but for real though

>More Monster Realm stuff
>other demigods
>change Maui backstory so he's just a ass who has to lean to not be an ass

>>91759790
>>change Maui backstory so he's just a ass who has to lean to not be an ass

But that was literally always his backstory, anon. Even in the actual myth.

>everyone would have wanted more Moana T&A
>barely any 34
Is everyone with patrician taste also an untalented poorfag?

>>91759790
>older
You faggot. And it doesn't make sense story-wise either. An older Moana would be too smart and settled to leave on a crazy adventure.

>>91749775
>Also the Ocean should be a hot elemental instead of just a wave,

This is actually a good idea.
The ocean should've been a powerful ocean spirit that we could see sometimes as a mysterious woman.

>>91761043

how about no
The ocean constantly popping up to be Moana's crutch was one of the worst parts of the movie. It's basically like if Jesus was your wingman, where's the danger?

>>91761355
>Where's the danger?

It's heavily implied in the movie that the Ocean spirit isn't good or bad, just neutral but with good intentions. All it wants is the heart returned to Te Fiti so everyone's crops stop dying and the people won't suffer anymore. However, if the Ocean just returned the heart itself (Which I do see people complain about) no one would have learned anything in the end, and Moana's people would still end up fucking themselves over. Maui would still be screwed and Moana would still be overconfident and selfish.
Also, if Moana managed to do all the stuff herself that the ocean helped her with, everyone would bitch that she's a Mary Sue.

>>91761642
>However, if the Ocean just returned the heart itself (Which I do see people complain about) no one would have learned anything in the end, and Moana's people would still end up fucking themselves over. Maui would still be screwed and Moana would still be overconfident and selfish.

How about just not having the ocean as a character who does shit? Then this isn't a problem. Currently people ask why the ocean doesn't just return the Heart like it's the Eagles in LoTR and it makes Moana look like a Mary Sue anyway because instead of doing things on her own or with Maui's help she just has this huge fucking deus ex machina helping her, leaping in the way of projectiles and pointing her towards Maui and doing all this bullshit. She already has Manta Grandma, was that not enough?

Just don't have the fucking ocean being an active participant in the adventure. Leave that shit vague and mystical, not actively protecting and guiding everyone like it's the carpet from Aladdin or some bullshit. It's stupid.

Wow, when this movie first came out everyone said it was the greatest thing since sliced bread. What happened?

>>91747655

I don't know what I would have changed, but I would have liked to see Taika Waititi's vision come through more, if not direct outright. I suspect Tamatoa had a bigger role in his version.

>>91763149
Everyone still says that except for people on /co/

>>91765834

I have always maintained that this movie is shit from a butt.

>>91765989

As a movie it's not that great. As a series of songs with some irrelevant fluff between them it's pretty good.

>>91768330

Is that how low the bar is now? Walt Disney must be rolling in his grave.

>>91747655
Give her father a more important role

>>91747655
>Show Maui still watching Moana after he leaves in anger and getting inspired that she's still going to try and that's what makes him come back rather than him just getting over his problems offscreen
>More of a use for HeiHei
>Make Maui turn into way more animals.

>>91774434

i cringed at the halfshark joke.


and Sven wasnt really that surprising.