Would there be a way of un-gaying Bobby without having to deal

>>91737943
nah, Bendis knew what he was doing, it's unretconable.

Seriously you couldn't even begin to touch this shit without being demonized, maybe if they hadn't established old Bobby as gay too there'd be some way out there, but they closed that door too.

>>91737943
Who cares?

>>91737943
they are going to do it eventually, no need to rush it

Have it be that Jean really did do it and make the message about how fucking with people like that is bad.

Tie it in with the idea of conversation therapy trying to force gay people straight or something.

It'll fuck up Jean but it could be an interesting character arc.

Our best hope is a another retcon to "busexual" and then a long standing girlfriend until he's functionally straight and hopefully society stops making a huge deal about shoving dags into everything.

>>91737943
Wasn't Miles gay too at some point?

Just make him bi after giving him a run with a female character that he has great chemistry with and eventual starts to fall for, catching him and everyone else off guard. Focus mainly on his M/F relationships and gradually wean him off of men, eventually making his bisexual/gay label a minor footnote of the character as a whole.

>>91737943
Yes. The O5 are from an alternate universe, what happens to them doesn't effect the prime versions.
Then just have 616 Bobby slide into Bisexuality, and never bring up the gay phase again.

>>91737943
make him bisexual, like they should have fucking done in the first place

that way he can like dude AND it doesn't invalidate any previous writing AND it's less of a stupid hackjob

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>>91737943
Don't forget the people who read the old Defenders comics, the Stan Lee era X-Men, Stan Lee himself - who is fully aware of this and hasn't stopped or complained about it, everyone who got the joke when they did those "self-hating mutant in denial" stories, Jim Lee - who also wrote hints about Bobby being gay, Chris Claremont - who might take offense when you say an X-Men character can't secretly be gay, that one episode of "Family Guy" that wouldn't make sense if the underpinnings of that cut-away joke were retconned, and anyone who's a persecuted minority who is constantly told that they're not welcome in the public eye - not even in the media specifically made to embrace the concept of tolerance and acceptance...

And I'm sure there's others who would mind too. Like the "normies" who read comics and don't like /pol/ agendas being pushed that censor those comics so that everything will be politically correct and inoffensive to the sensitive and emotionally fragile people who can't handle difference in a comic about differences.

>>91737943
Bobby was never gay. Jean was using her mind powers to fuck with him because she's a bitch.

>>91737974
Normies don't know any of the X Men except Wolverine, Storm, and Cyclops. They probably don't even know about all this, much less care.

>>91738477
>that one episode of "Family Guy"
Confirmation bias

>>91738182
That must be true, /pol/ shitposters were taking deep offense about how Marvel and Bendis were making Peter Parker a gay black kid for months on end.
It's not as if /pol/ shitposters are casuals who don't know what they're talking about ...

>>91737943
Pray it away.

>>91737943
wait for the next secrets wars to retcon half the shit

>>91737943
He could be castrated by a villain. Then he'll just be a null. Neither straight or gay.

>>91737943
It should have been easy. They just established that the O5 from the past are AU characters. But sadly, Marvel is going to screw everything up by giving him a solo written by a flaming gay SJW who's series will be all about his newfound gayness. Just grotesque.

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>>91738591
There it is.

>>91738570
Are you serious?
You fuckwits pretend that there's no such thing as being "in the closet" and that somehow a guy going out of his way to make all his dysfunctional relationships work means that there's no problem with him...
YET...
Here's a post full of examples of why this has been obvious for decades and you grasp desperately onto one solitary point that doesn't confirm anything beyond the obviousness that people have noticed this...
And THAT'S what you think disqualifies every other argument you've willfully ignored.

That's not an example of "confirmation bias", that's an example of YOU grasping at straws.
You have no argument beyond a circlejerk of bigots who want to hear "it's j-j-just n-n-not t-t-true" soo very much that they will believe anything.

>>91738966
shut up Jean!

>>91738661
It should be HydraCap who does it. And they should show all the blood and gore in as much detail as possible.
(I really believe this)

>>91738966
>bigots

fuck off tumblr

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>>91737943
>un-gaying

Why would you want to do that?

>>91738966
Bobby being gay makes as much sense as America Chavez coming out as straight 40 years down the road.

>>91738966
Hi. Gay here. Shut the fuck up and stop trying to pretend you're progressive when you're really just a shitty person.

>>91738966
So then why did they have to use a psychic known for fucking with people's brains to fuck with an alternate version's brain to magically make him gay?

If all these examples and hints that he was in the closet were there, why didn't they write it naturally?
Why didn't people notice or care until it magically happened?

>>91737943
Make him bi?

>>91739239
Don't pull your bullshit identity /pol/itics with me,
You have no idea who or what I am and you think you can gayshame me into allowing this bald-faced false premise to go unchallenged?
This is a call for censorship expressly in order to continue a culture of alienation and exclusion against homosexuality.
Internalize your homophobia somewhere else, this board is about respect for comics and their stories.

>>91737943
The only thing more untouchable than "muh closet" in modern liberal culture is "muh bisexual erasure". So that.

>>91739536
I can't tell if this is advanced shitposting or if you just got lost on your way to tumbl

>>91739454
The scene was Bobby being in the closet and Jean telling him that she knew that he was in the closet.
That's called being outed.
The X-Men comics are about themes of persecution and living with intolerance, a big part of that stuff is hiding who you are.
They would be remiss if they omitted that this kind of unlived identity occurs in a bigoted society.
But nevertheless, you are welcome to explain how such a scene of Bobby being outed could have been written more
>"naturally"

>>91737943
Have teen Jean admit she mind raped him into becoming her new gay friend. Let the shit storm settle a bit, giving red herrings that he is fine with not reversing it because it is too dangerous before having Emma Frost reverse it.

>>91739536
>>91739677
>this board is about respect for comics and their stories

My guess is that it's the former. Though only someone from tumblr would make the mistake of thinking /co/ actually reads comics.

>>91737943
>normies, the media, and basically everyone who doesn't read comics
Why would anyone care about the impotent rage of these fucks?

>>91739778
Not him, but maybe by not having a telepath dig through his brain and then confront him about his own private thoughts? The whole scene reads like a brainwashing, it's honestly pretty sinister.

>>91737943
No, so go full bore.

Have Iceman bend thermodynamics enough to cause a dissonance in time-space and send a frozen dick-spear hurtling through Jean's crotch

>>91739816
Because bad PR does have an effect on how companies do business. I mean just look at how Marvel had to double down on saying they supported diversity after that one sales guy said that they blamed diversity for the bad sales

>>91739677
>>91739804
Is this supposed to shame someone?
We're all posting on a board devoted to cartoons and comics, Tumbler is probably a step up.

>>91739778
By not having a psychic known for fucking with people's brains dig through his brain and suddenly announce he's gay out of nowhere.

>>91737943
Only by making him something even more deviant. I.e. in 10 years when the gay thing is old and gay males are considered privileged and part of the cis patriarchal power structure, they could make him something still not fully accepted like a zoosexual or pedosexual.

>>91739879
>Tumbler is probably a step up.
then you should go back there and fuck off

>>91739879
Bobby's "coming out" story was a lazily written piece of diversity pandering garbage that damages the character of everyone involved. I can say this here, and we can discuss it, but on tumblr, I'd be crucified for even hinting that I dislike something gay.

>>91737943
Just have him fall in love with another female xmen and then have someone question him about it and he can just say love is love and to him it isn't define or limited by gender yardda yadda yadda mutants. No one would bitch about it and marvel would probably even get some praise for it. It's not hard, marvel would probably find a way to fuck it up, but it's not hard.

>>91739845
That already happened in an early issue of Uncanny during the Jim Lee years.
It was a Russian telepath that was holding kid-Illyana hostage and the whole Gold team minus Xavier got their asses kicked.
He didn't out Bobby outright, he just confronted him about it.
Technically, minus the hostility, it was the exact same thing Jean did.

>>91739794
>having Emma Frost reverse it
only if it is in the old fashion way

>>91739958
Like Rogue or Kitty Pryde? Or one of those short-lived 'ships with Polaris when Havok is right there, ready to take her away again?
He's been in "loving" relationships without touching before.
Many times.
That was part of the problem.

>>91739848
And she shouts NYARRRRGH from the pain

>>91737943
Time travel

>>91737943
>massive backlash from normies who dont read comics
Is forcing people to be gay the normie thing now?

>>91740263
Is getting commoner, yes

>>91738278
isn't he though? adult Bobby I mean. or did he never actually have sex with any girl ever?

either way this is what they should do. just say that Jean was only picking up on him the times he was attracted to a guy and she based her entire opinion on that.

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>>91739887
Abigail Brand is the "zoosexual"
Gambit is the "pedosexual"
Namor fucks fish-people
They also have villains that are a bit more obvious about it.
Ever heard of a character named "Nanny"?

>>91740336
Yeah, he had sex with women. That's what being in the closet means. Duh.
But that doesn't mean that he was happy doing it.
If you had to, you could preform sexually with someone you weren't attracted to.
Drunk frat-boys do it all the time.
That doesn't mean that's something they want to do again.

>>91740505
has he said he hated ever time he had sex with a woman or that he never was legitimately attracted to them?

>>91740036
Post the page

>>91740344
Having sex with an intelligent humanoid with fur is not exactly the same, there's still plenty of room to fall.

>>91740562
Before he was outed? No.
After he was outed? He said that he thought he could just change who he was if he tried hard enough. I guess the critique of his ex-girlfriends will happen in upcoming Iceman issues. But waitaminute... do you actually want more stories to focus on te gay???

>>91740709
Dude, be serious. It was twenty years ago, it's not like I was grabbing scans before the internet was invented. Go to a wiki and look up Illyana's post-Inferno appearances as a kid. They should mention what issue they did the story in in the footnotes, you can track down the issue's torrent yourself.

>>91740744
Rahne Sinclair did it in beast-form with a werewolf. That count?

>>91740983
>Guys, this page that supports my argument totally exists. I don't have it and can't be assed to find it, but it totally exists guys! Seriously!
You made the claim, burden of proof is on you to back it up.

>>91741057
Casual, here on /co/ there's no burden of proof to prove any single panel exists.
People expect the anons they're talking to to have also read comics. Or at the very least want to.
I'm not going on a personal mission for some loser who can't handle being told a fact he doesn't want to hear. Especially when I have every guarantee that showing you the entire comic in mint freaking condition wouldn't convince you that it exists.

>>91741213
So what you're saying is you have no proof this page exists, even though it's crux of your entire argument, and can't event point out what issue it happens in.
Then when this is pointed out, you call the other person a casual and claim they don't read comics, even though it's a failure on your part that you don't have the page and can't cite the issue that this event supposedly happened in.

>Especially when I have every guarantee that showing you the entire comic in mint freaking condition wouldn't convince you that it exists.
Do it. Show me the entire comic in mint condition. While you're taking screenshots of it, take one of the page that supposedly backs your claim.

>>91740983
>do you actually want more stories to focus on te gay???
no. I'd like them to retcon that crap and making him Bi is the only way to do it without creating a massive shitstorm. I'm grasping at as many straws as possible in order to support that possibility.

>>91737943
It was actually a Bobbybot that was gay, not the real one.

>>91738176
Have him be the X-Men verison of Captain Jack Harkness. It'd kinda fit Bobby's character already.

>>91741315
Thank you not backing down.

>>91741495
It was really one of his Ice Clones.

>>91741668
After him nearly killing everyone using the death seed he left the x-men an ice clone and went back to accounting . The ice clone was the gay one.No one noticed the difference cause no one really gives a shit about Bobby in the marvel universe.

>>91741725
Get ready for next summer's big marvel event: Edge of Bobbyverse!
Which Bobby is gay?
Are they all ice clones?
Find out then!

>>91741315
What was said was "you don't deserve to be humored"

And you don't.
For real, given all the other times in one of these threads someone has proven their claims of past gayness, what possible reason do you have to think something was made up to toss on the top of the pile ... and then a roadmap was even drawn so you can see for your damned self?
But you're afraid to. You don't believe you'll be right.
Honestly, it's a pretty specific claim: Gold team in Russia battling a telepath over young de-aged Illyana during the Jim Lee years and Iceman is taunted by the baddie.
Do you think that specific criteria was just made up on the fly in the vague hopes that something somewhere would match exactly that?
I'll do you one better: The scene involves the imagery of Bobby being melted. AND the guy also commented on Gambit's ever-mentioned secret betrayal. AND Psylocke being taunted about her identity crisis.
Still don't think that exact scene could really-really exist?

>>91741865
It's funny, you turn your nose up and call someone else a loser for "not reading comics." but then continue to give excuses about why you don't have the page and can't tell me the exact issue.

Sure, I think that scene could possibly exist, that's why I want you to post it. You're the one using it as the crux of an arguement, you're the one who keeps claiming it exists. You also said you'd post pictures of the actual issue in mint condition for me.

So I'm waiting for that. Give me the issue number, give me the page, prove it actually exists.
Otherwise you're just blowing hot air out of your ass.

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You would have to DISEMBOWEL O5 Jean Grey.

People in this thread talk about the shitstorm from her manipulating Bobby "blowing over." There's no way it blows over. This would be Jean manipulating someone on a very fundamental level. Moreover, she does so in a way that COULD be construed as supporting the idea that it's a "choice" to be gay.

That's a tactical nuke for a character. There's no going back from that. That's monstrous and inhumane on a really deep level.

If it's revealed that Jean made Bobby gay, that's when Jean goes full villain. Or full outcast. The point is you'd have to hurl her out of the ranks of Marvel's heroes. She'd be a tyrant. She'd be an ugly person, way too ugly to redeem.

>>91741950
But Benis already made her an ugly person, way too ugly to redeem.

So might as well nuke her, she's not the real Jean anyway.

>>91741919
The excuse is the same as first stated. Read again. Read closer.

You will just deny that it exists, claim it's a shoop or something, and then quickly change the subject.
This isn't my first rodeo. You assclowns have been ruining my X-threads for years now.

So why should I give the whiny baby a storytime?
This is you guys' problem: you talk a big game about how manly values this and how you have this basic level of machismo that, but when it comes down to it you never act like an actual man.
This "I won because you won't do as I tell you" is kindergarten-level.
Iceman's still gay, I'm still taunting your lack of masculinity, and you will never read the comics.
Why? Because this is /co/, I am of /co/, and you are clearly of /pol/, only a casual at best.

>>91741950
Or they could just laugh it off. It was just a prank, bro!

>>91741865
Can you kill yourself? Your interaction with this guy asking for the scan has to be one of the cuntiest things I've ever seen on this site

>>91741950
not if it was a mistake by a young, naive and inexperience teenager who misinterpreted what she saw in Bobby's mind and accidentally influenced his mind with the powers she wasn't exactly a master of.

>>91742092
Holy shit, this has to be shitposting
>you guys have been ruining MY X-threads
Jump into a volcano please

>>91742092
How can I read the comic if you won't tell me the issue or post the page?

All you've been doing is making excuses as to why you can't or won't post it. I've asked for the exact issue number multiple times, I've asked for the page multiple times.
Each and every time you've made up some excuse and insulted me, and then went on about how you were right and this thing that totally exists and validates you 100% is real, but you can't post it.
And it's hilarious you claim to be of /co/ and call me a casual when you can't even back up your claims, you can't even post an issue number.

You're not of /co/, you're not even a fucking casual. You're a tumblrfag trying to talk big without having read anything and then think you can bluff and posture your way around /co/ without being called out on it.

Go back to fucking tumblr and get off my fucking board until you've actually read a comic and can back up your bullshit claims.

>>91741950
JUST TODAY I was thinking about the whole crazy proto-feminist backlash from the piss-poor attempt to salvage Scott's happy ending Alaska retirement from The Phoenix Saga.
It all would have gone off without a hitch if Phoenix-Jean hadn't killed a planet full of broccoli-people. But she did, and editorial wouldn't allow even an accidental perpetrator of genocide to have a happy ending to their story. And so she had to die.
So they made Madelyne Pryor, and suddenly the first real empowered self-actualized cosmic-level female superhero ever was being made just another replaceable dime-a-dozen girl...
Even Cyclops fans hated how shallow it made him look.
It took a decade for them to finally get their act together and resolve what and who exactly happened.
I'm still expecting another lingering plot twist to show up...
Can you imagine how long it would take for them to fix another one of those pointless character assassinations?

>>91742216
Your question has already been answered. Is there a point to the rest of your post?

>>91742275
Yeah, tell me the issue tumblrfag so I can go see if it actually exists.

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>>91742127
And all those past years of stories that suddenly make so much contextual sense now?
How do we "FIX" them?

>>91742305
Gender swapping is always confusing.

>>91737943
As always comics nerds vastly overestimate the importance of their medium and how widely consumed it actually is.
Nobody else but us even knows or CARES that he's gay. You're fucking lucky if they even know what superhero team Iceman is even ON, let alone his name; I've met like three different people that think he's the same guy on the Flash tv series and two thought he was an Avenger. The two that did know he was an X-Men were people who watched the Singer movies and STILL couldn't tell me his name.

>build a time machine
>go back to the past
>snap baby Bendis' neck

>>91740744
No, that's exactly what furry is. Intelligence is the difference between furry and bestiality. If I remember correctly.

>>91739536
You are truly cancerous.

>>91742400
Yeah, this thread is filled with people that haven't read a single X-men comic and just post for the sake of arguing about gay shit

>>91737943
Its still possible that the only
fag Bobby is the young one.

I hope they fix this degrading mess already

>>91742284
He's lying, there is no issue during the Jim Lee era. Look at his description:

>Honestly, it's a pretty specific claim: Gold team in Russia battling a telepath over young de-aged Illyana during the Jim Lee years and Iceman is taunted by the baddie.

Gold team was introduced in 1991. Illyana's last appearance in Uncanny was in 1988 before the Gold Team was around, and then her next appearance after 1988 was in 1993 when she got the Legacy Virus. He can't produce proof because he has none.

>>91738477
Stan Lee already spoke about this shit and made his point pretty clear when the Sony/Spider-Man contract leak happened about a million years ago
>I wouldn’t mind, if Peter Parker had originally been black, a Latino, an Indian or anything else, that he stay that way. But we originally made him white. I don’t see any reason to change that.
>I think the world has a place for gay superheroes, certainly, but again, I don’t see any reason to change the sexual proclivities of a character once they’ve already been established.
>I have no problem with creating new, homosexual superheroes… it has nothing to do with being anti-gay, or anti-black, or anti-Latino, or anything like that.
>Latino characters should stay Latino. The Black Panther should certainly not be Swiss.
>I just see no reason to change that which has already been established when it’s so easy to add new characters. I say create new characters the way you want to. Hell, I’ll do it myself.

>>91742591
Oh, I knew he was blowing hot air out of his ass. I was just hoping he'd actually give an issue number so I could call him out on it.

Appreciate the specifics though, I'll remember that.

>>91742591
X-Men (vol. 2) issues 17 and 18
The psychic Russian was named Soul Skinner

>>91742512
On that terrible podcast Jay and miles. They interviewed the writer for the Ice Man solo. Which is about old Bobby. He absolutely confirmed each issue is going to feature a different girlfriend talking about their relationships with him. It's 100%going to be Bobby is gay, the miniseries.

>>91742607
Dude, you're taking a quote opinion about changing an established canon as evidence that Iceman wasn't in the closet and you've been told countless times already that Iceman was flaming from the start, when Stan wrote him, you've had what it means to be in the closet explained to you, and you've seen pics in the previous threads of Iceman acting gay throughout his history, so how does that quote conflict with anything?
ALSO, one of your other comrades in this constant gaybashing endeavor has previously posted that Stan Lee expressed bewilderment that ANY superhero EVER had sex, and so your comrade claimed that meant that Stan never wrote any character as gay ... because he must have never wrote any character as sexually attracted to anyone.
Seems like these quotes contradict each other,
but that doesn't matter because I've learned from this /pol/ cancer that all I have to do to undermine and invalidate you is to claim that you are lying and have made this entire "quote" up.
And you did too. I know that, because you can't prove it wasn't faked. Can you?

>>91737943
I'd honestly like to see them just do it without calling any attention to it. He just starts dating and sleeping with women one day.

I think there's actually a fair chance no one will complain because you'd have to actually read the books to notice.

>>91742969
>Comrade
Go back to tumblr, commie.

>>91742969
>all I have to do to undermine and invalidate you is to claim that you are lying and have made this entire "quote" up.
It's funny, you claim this, then turn around and claim a quote that someone else made without proof as proof.
How do you know that quote wasn't made up? Can you prove it wasn't fake? Can you prove the quote you're claiming as fake is fake? After all, burden of proof is on the one making the claim.

>>91737943
Make it so that Teen Jean mindfucked Bibby into thinking he was gay. Make the story about how sexuality isn't a choice and that conversion therapy doesn't work. That why you still have pro-gay messages to balance out turning Bibby straight again.

>>91743047
Irony is fun.

>>91737943
I'd turn Romeo into a girl because reasons. Which doesn't affect him much since she can still go for dudes, but Bobby would have to really think about whether or not he loved Romeo for Romeo or because he had a penis.

>>91743082
C'mon! Alanis go back to sleep, you're still drunk

>>91737943
Easy: turn Jean into a gay-fetishizing shitlord who doesn't respect gays as people, but sees them as sexual objects. Then you reveal Bobby is mostly straight, but wouldn't mind going with a really cute trap.

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>>91742748
>X-Men (vol. 2) issues 17 and 18

No wonder nothing showed up, it wasn't the Gold Team.

I didn't see anything in #17 or 18. This is from #19 and the only thing related to Iceman's mind. I can see how someone would make the mistake of thinking this proves Iceman is gay because the dialogue placement is fucked up all around.

The line about Psylocke and Cyclops is placed closer to the Jubilee panel for inexplicable reasons, for instance. And the dialogue related to Iceman goes

>Iceman, so human beneath your cold shell--
>But unable to find the warmth and love
>Of OPAL, the woman you want, but can no longer have.

Problem is that the dialogue about Opal is set next to the Wolverine panel so someone with little knowledge of the X-Men would think Opal is someone Wolverine knows. But looking at http://marvel.wikia.com/wiki/Opal_Tanaka_(Earth-616) it's clear she's linked to Iceman.

>>91743122
Speaking of Opal, I'm pretty sure that there was a miniseries revolving around her. Where Bobby found out she had a son named Robert and they thought it was his, but it turns out she had a kid with a guy who looked like him?
Then at the end Bobby was still ready to stay with her because she was his one true love.

>>91743122
>someone trying to find proof Ice Man is gay by scanning thousands of pages to find one hint at all
>not knowing who Opal is
desperate casuals

>>91737943

I'd ungay Bobby in the middle of blowjob, just to drive the prank home.

>>91737943
If I wanted to ungay Bobby and didn't care abut my career, I'd say Jean lied to him/brain diddled him into being gay because she saw his potential to be gay and decided it was the real him instead of something he just had considered.

Didn't Marvel run an event right before they made Bobby gay, where his subconscious was kidnapping all the chicks he had relationships with while he was slowly freezing up the entire planet?

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>>91743072
There has already been an X-Men character practicing conversion therapy on the X-Men characters, but the bastard's dead now.

>>91743094
I would want Romeo to be turned into a girl just to see Bobby lose interest and dump that filthy Inhuman magic fart monster.

>>91743101
Adult Bobby has already slept with a trap, the blue skinned redhead one, he says he didn't like her but she was quite insistent upon them oneday ending up together.
And in a Morrison issue Scott has complained that Jean's less than adventurous in such matters, that's how he ended up in that affair with Emma. And I'm also quite certain that Jean Grey has a healthy respect for genderbenders...

>>91743122
Yeah, you can see why that wasn't simply posted right away. But they did leave room open for reinterpretation.

>>91737943
Wait, Seth McFarlane was right?

>>91743323
It was an arc in astonishing x-men. It's probably the only decent Iceman centric story.

>>91743333
>Yeah, you can see why that wasn't simply posted right away.
It wasn't posted right away because it doesn't back what you claim it does.

>But they did leave room open for reinterpretation.
Not really. It's pretty specific as to what it says, especially taking into account the Iceman Vol 2 1-4 Mini where he chases Opal because she's his one true love he lost.

>>91743272
Do you understand that "casual" is used as an insult on /co/ because it implies that someone HASN'T gone through thousands of pages?
For real anon, you've got to bait harder. This was like you're just catching the hook through your own finger.

>>91742748

And that was a Blue Team story, Bobby wasn't even in it.

The anon making this up, go take a dump, you're full of crap.

>>91742607
This is generally how I feel about characters. By pandering to gain a new audience with such a change, you're most likely going to alienate your current audience. I mean, at least with Miles it was an alternate reality where he replaced Peter after he died, so we still had 616. But changing characters that are established just for the sake of diversity is kinda shitty. Just create new ones.

>>91737943
>this and "rocket youre gay"
i thought these were meme edits

>>91737943
This shit reminds me of Chasing Amy when they convince Banky that he's gay

>>91743398
>implies that someone HASN'T gone through thousands of pages?
which you didn't do until now

>>91742969

Whether he genuinely intended it back in the 1960s or not, Stan has admitted in interviews that he was writing one of the cast of Nick Fury's Howling Commandoes as gay. On the other hand, he's never made a similar claim about anyone in X-Men, and didn't even find out about this until someone asked him about it in an interview and it was the first he'd heard about it.

https://youtu.be/UrrbQKbcEJw

>>91743491
Does it count when you go through thousands of pages for things to pack your pandering instead of the joy of reading comics?

>>91743441
You do recognize that if this quote was from Stan Lee and if he really felt that strongly about this subject they wouldn't have been able to make Iceman gay without his permission.
At least not without him saying something about it.
It is a major thing to screw with another comic creator's characters, especially someone with as much clout as Stan Lee.
You would even hear about the infighting when it happened back before the internet.

>>91743505
If you've read thousands of comic pages then you've read thousands of comic pages.
Unless your memory is complete shit (and sometimes it is) those thousands of pages mean that you can hold your own in a /co/nversation.
No amount of insult can take that away from you, and anyone else who knows what you're referencing can tell you're no casual.

>>91743534

Clearly no-one ever asks for Stan's permission to do things with any of the characters he co-created. He seldom even finds out what changes have been made until someone asks him, and he's not in a position where he can publicly disapprove of whatever Marvel have done.

It's simple.

Ignore it for a long period of time, quietly retcon it when nobody cares anymore.

Don't make a press release, don't address the moment, just show Iceman hitting on a girl. Bam! Instant retcon.

>>91743501
He's done more than that,
Bendis gets the crap for Bobby coming out but Stan Lee really was the first comic creator to have a gay superhero. In fucking 1962!
And that's even with risking the backlash from conservatives, 1962 conservatives!
Those are Giant-Man sized brass balls on him.

>>91743333

I don't see how that was at all "open for interpretation". Of all the things 1990s X-Men comics were, "subtle" is not one of them. There's no interpretation of that which makes any sense other than the obvious reading of "Bobby is sad because Opal broke up with him".

>>91743624

Just stop it, anon. If 1960s Stan intended Iceman to have been gay, modern Stan would be admitting to have planned this all along, as would all the other writers you claim were in on this 50-year conspiracy that exists only in your head. All of them, from Stan Lee, to Scott Lobdell, to Chuck Austen, would all be standing up to virtue-signal about how progressive they were.

Instead, we have Stan admitting he had no idea about this until someone asked him, and we have Scott Lobdell confirming he wasn't writing Bobby as gay, and mocking Bendis for it on Twitter.

>>91743600
So your plan is to bide your time and wait until the modern youth of society becomes complacent with intolerance towards homosexuals, despite the continual and ongoing integration and normalization of LGBTQ people, while Iceman carries on establishing a reputation as homosexual in the loyal readership's minds and then have the next generation of comic writers that come along, having themselves grown up reading comics where Iceman is gay, casually and without any explanation reverse the established canon and undermine the understood perception of who Iceman is?
... all ninja like.

>>91743701
that's what's happening now, so

>>91743701

I do wonder if it occurs to anyone at all, that this Iceman situation is the very kind of thing that CREATES intolerance. People who are happy to live and let live get angry and ready to fight when someone else starts stealing their stuff. More so when that someone else acts like it was theirs all along.

This kind of reaction happens every time the Big 2 try to impose some kind of "progressive" change or replacement on a character, and shouting it down as prejudice is just trying to dismiss and ignore that people are invested in these characters and don't want them drastically changed.

Whether it's Spider-Man being revealed as clone, or Iceman as gay, it's still invalidating decades of character and history that people cared about, and they aren't going to be happy with that.

>>91743443
This page is why it's become a meme.

>>91742305
>And all those past years of stories that I can suddenly forcefully interpret to suit my case

>>91743754
I remember quitting comics right after the "Peter Parker has been a clone since the 70s" arc. I was reading from the mid 80s, and wasn't even alive for the stories with Jackal, so to hear that the spider-man I grew up reading about was a clone from some story I had never even heard of caused me to rage quit.

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>>91737943
I still don't actually get what happened here. Did she actually turn him gay? What was the build up/aftermath? Why the fuck wasn't there way more backlash?

Or is it just /co/ shitposting?

>>91738101
Just say it was the Black Vortex since Jean commented that it "changed their heart." and Jean told Bobby he was gay rather than explain it as she didn't want to drop the whole "a magic space mirror made you gay because you didn't want the power it gave you and you will probably never have an opitunity to undo it" deal on him at once, also have adult Bobby be less effected because the time line has self repaired and that no longer happened to his younger self.

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>>91743676
Your argument swings both ways, invalidating either side's use of Stan Lee.
The quote you're referencing is of Stan pretending that he was unaware that ANY comicbook superhero ever had sex.
For fuck's sake, he's the one who first wrote needlessly dramatic romance subplots into the comics.
Do you allow for the possibility that he might have not been serious there?
I'm guessing not.
Your argument that Marvel doesn't ever play the liberal agenda card is cute. Keep doing that.
And Fucking Scott Lobdell??? That's your pinnacle of virtue and authority in Marvel?
Have you read what he's done?
Christ, I'm not saying that every writer in the entire history of comics agrees with gay rights, I *AM* saying that there's been an entire history of Iceman bouncing back and forth between writers that will hook him up with random women and "quietly retcon it when nobody cares anymore." and writers who take him back to "single for life" every time they write him, for a reason.
That doesn't mean that the bigots who want to erase gay characters didn't already do what this thread has suggested, and for the same exact reason.
All it means was that there was an original concept that some writers have respected, however embarrassingly fucked up it became after your "ideas" did their damage to both the canon and the character.

>>91742326
This. If I had a close friend who turns out can change gender at will, I would be uncomfortable seeing them as the opposite gender, regardless of which version I first interacted with.

>>91743867
Bad writing that nobody read. /co/ is mad about it.

>>91743754
You're stating in a thread devoted to intolerance toward a homosexual character in a comic about tolerance that it's an undesirable person's very existence that creates hostility independently of those who are hostile...
How does that work exactly?
If the hated minority is alone in a room, how do they create this hatred for them? And how does it manifest? is it a floating cloud of hate that just lingers there?

>>91743867
In bendis's all new x-men run young iceman had little focus other then being the comic relief until the second to last issue which is issue 40 where jean told him he was gay. He argued he may be bi and jean told him he was full gay. Later they confronted old iceman and he admitted he was gay. The aftermath is Iceman is gay now.

>>91741950
Leave Kid Bobby gay, he's from an AU and had no prior established relationships.

Adult Bobby is a different thing.

>>91737943
source for that pic please

>>91743919
The only two things people in this thread are intolerant of is shitty writing and your tumblr retardation.

>>91743919
He's saying that hijacking characters from an existing fanbase for the sole purpose of pandering to a minority can plant seeds of negativity directed at the minority who the character is reappropriated for.

You're just choosing to twist it into something else.

Duh, this has the simplest fix ever.

Jean used her psychic powers to make Bobby gay. Done.

>>91737943
they can explain how gay male dissinterest in women is a form of extreme misogyny., and use that excuse to make him strait without angering their progressive readers (and more importantly, without angering progressive people who aren't readers but critique comics anyway).

>>91743967
All new X-men volume one Issue 40

>>91743868
OR... you can have The Red Skull cut out Jean Greys living brain, killing her horribly, and then graft it to his own mind so that he can force every X-Man male to rape every X-Man female to death as Captain America masturbates along with you, the reading audience. Before murdering the remaining characters with his bloody bare hands while screaming profanities about all minority groups ... as the reading audience masturbates furiously...
And they can all do this in a church infront of a big old crucifix so we can all know how RIGHTIOUS your desires are.
I mean, the point is to make YOUR values known to the world, right? Nobody else's. That should do it.

The comic doesn't reflect your sick worldview.
It's published in America, it has a right to exist without your permission, as do homosexuals.

>>91743994
thank you, friend!

>>91743982
Look at her Jedi Mind Tricking him with those wavy hands. And his confusion as to what's going on. I need to post this page on an /aco/ hypnosis fetish thread.

>>91743999
Yes, I would read this comic.

>>91737943
I wish I could get paid big bucks to copy paste the same 2 panels into 2/3rds of page content.

>>91743919
Jean! shut up!

>>91743944
So she didn't use her fucking powers on him? What the fuck is wrong with this board?

>>91743999
Change X-man to X-person. Stop assigning gender to my superheroes, CIS scum.

>>91743999
Why the fuck do you space your posts so awkwardly.

>>91743999
that would sell like 10-12 reprints easy and solve the comics crisis

>>91737943
I dont mind hes gay (though its bullshit they didnt have enough thought to at least make him bi)
I care that thats all he is now. His new comic, the only solo hes ever had, is all about what a flaming homo he is. Issue 1 is about him joining Grindr. Welcome to Marvel.

>>91744074
nah, that's going to be canceled after 3 issues for low sales

>>91738966
Hes had relationships with women before, long arcs with them too. I dont care if hes bi, but saying he was just pretending for all those arcs? Bullshit. If you actually read them youd get it.

>>91744074
>Issue 1 is about him joining Grindr
Thank you for telling me this, so I don't accidentally buy it.

>>91744074
I miss when he told ice puns. Forgot what interview but the new writer said he was toning down puns.

>>91743978
That's not an argument here. Or even the argument that guy made.
It's not as if there was a huge Iceman fanbase who didn't know about the innuendo.
And he wasn't even in X-Men books for a solid decade. X-Fans who didn't know him have no call to claim to know his sexuality.
If that anon hadn't at least done the courtesy of keeping those parts /co/ I would say that was a pure strawman argument.
But here you're calling me out on twisting his first sentence into something it's not?
Well what else could it have possibly meant?
You're standing by their words here.
This is who you're choosing to lay down with.
You had best see them for who they are.
Mostly because they now reflect who you are.

I can't say anything more important than that.

>>91739536
>Respect
Wheres the respect in fucking up a characters 50 years if continuity for good boy SJW points?

>>91744104
Can you please fix your post structure. I'm beginning to think you're legitimately retarded.

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Is Mr. Sinister going to be gay too?

>>91744104
Nobody reflects who I am but myself. It seems very intolerant to judge me by the content of any other person's character but my own. I am my own person.

>>91737943
But the main fact was that he was forced isn't it?

>>91737943
Just have him fuck a girl in the next X-Men related movie. Give him a girlfriend. It's not that hard.

>>91744104
Can you get a tripcode so I can filter you please?

>>91744144
That it was forced and that it was purposefully to try and get the gay audience. But (most) people aren't that gullible.

>>91744125
I'm pretty sure he is legitimately retarded.

>>91744130
You have read any of Sinister's stories with Scott. Sinister is so infatuated with Scott, that I am surprised he hasn't kissed him yet.

Tbqh, I wouldn't mind this kind of story, mainly because of all the build up with him and Scott. Especially now, he could resurrect and brainwash Scott, all the while molesting him in private

Who's the readhead?

>>91744144
Yeah, Jean used her mind powers to get the information to out him. This can be akin to a therapist telling you that you are repressing homosexual tendencies. Even if it's true, you can't just tell them they are gay, you have to let them figure themselves out on their own.

>>91744224
A version of Jean Grey

>>91738101
>It'll fuck up Jean
Nothing of value would be lost.

>>91737943
Yes. In another year or so, an artist outside of bendis's influence just draws a woman into his life.

>>91744104
I loved Iceman in the Spider-man and his Amazing Friends. I don't recall any allusions to homosexuality there. Nor any of the X-men comics I read. And so far I've only seen one example of sexual confusion in the thread, and it's over a character who can change genders. If he has romantic feelings for the female version prior to this change, I could understand the male form making him uncomfortable.

>>91744130
I hate these new artists Marvel uses, Sinister literally has a Tumblr nose here

>>91744161
Interesting anecdote, Gambit was originally introduced to attract the gay male audience, but when he instead attracted the straight female audience, they decided to make him straight.

>>91744255
New Jean is the new Xavier.

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>>91743571
There's a difference between someone scanning comics for any appearance of Iceman to find a hint of his sexuality that isn't hetero vs actually reading the comic for their enjoyment.
It's pretty clear whoever made the claim that Soul Skinner was hinting that IceMan was gay was just skimming through the comic rather than actually reading it.

It's like someone who watched someone play a video games on youtube and claiming they're a hardcore gamer.
They can quote and describe every level, but would suck if they actually played it.

Same shit applies here. They could know every appearance of iceman, but they don't know anything he said, who he is, or who anyone is unless it's related to him being maybe sorta perhaps gay-like.

It's not even like reading from a wiki, because so much is ignored and missed.

>>91743596
This is true. He's basically just the face of classic marvel. I don't think he has any creative input at all anymore.

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>>91744344
This image is so gay that the artist cannot be straight.
No way.
This was illustrated by a fucking faggot, even if he doesn´t know yet.
Pic related: what a straight guy actually draws.

>>91744344
Now tumblr will repost this and claim Beast is gay for Archangel

>>91737943
He was a woman all this time

>iceman has never had a successful relationship.
>must be gay
>iceman is an attractive young male who has trouble interacting with women.
>must be gay
>iceman had a bigoted father
>must be gay
>when he rejected Northstar, another member reassured him by saying "maybe he just doesn't know it yet"
>must be gay

Hey, guys, I think a good percentage of /co/ is gay by these standards. Hell, more than half my highschool friends were gay by these standards.

>>91744439
Beast is only gay for Simon.

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>>91744572
well...according to google...

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>>91744523

>iceman has never had a successful relationship.

Statistically, the more romantic relationships you have, the worse you are at them.

>>91744161
Isn't that on the boarder line of taking away his rights to decide for himself on weather or not he wanted that lifestyle.
>Jean using her powers that way reminded me of how s.j.w's force their views upon us on the net.

>>91744731
Oh man. Jean is totally tumblr. When he tried to deny it, she's all like "No, man, you're full on gay. Just accept it" and then he's like "yeah... okay."

He also points out that his future self has dated women. But nothing about his own experiences with women. She's basically not giving him the opportunity to explore his own sexuality and figure out who he is on his own.

>>91744038
Dude, a psychic reaches into a guy's head, calls him gay and now suddenly he's been gay the whole time. That's bullshit

>>91744700
I mean, no one is good at anything on their first attempt. And everyone has a different learning curve.

>>91744038
she didn't in canon but the way it's written is so hilariously out of left field that "jean did it" almost seems to fit right in with the events that actually happened.

it's called a joke, anon.

>>91744839
Also, if past Iceman has the idea of being gay planted into his mind, then wouldn't that also plant the seed into his future self? This seems like some Terminator self fulfilling prophecy shit.

>>91744859
The O5 are from an AU. So either Jean forced him too or Bendis is a hack.

>>91744859
What makes it even worse is the O5 are from an alternate universe. So nothing that happens to them should have any baring on the 616 version.

>>91739816
Because companies care more about them than the userbase of a Sardinian fresco-painting IRC channel.

>>91744931
I'm going with both.

>>91744840
Yeah, but some people plain suck at something even in their hundredth attempt.

>>91745032
I was thinking that.

>>91740344
>Gambit is the "pedosexual"
are you talking about X-23

>>91738477
>Changes a character out of the blue
>Ugh stop disliking my changes
>Wait you want to change BACK? That is censorship!
I have the feeling you're a bit sheltered and not very knowledgeable about censorship.

>>91739778
Except she says his older self isn't gay.

Are you retarded?

>>91744776
Finally, a senseful anon who understands human rights.
That Jean represented not only dumbler, but how most feminist and sjw's come across the internet as a whole sadly.

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>>91742400
that is one of their best episodes together but it's still nowhere near as good as any episode with just finn and marceline

>>91737943
Establish that he's bi, screech "biphobia" if anyone complains, have him date a few women, and then never reference the gay thing again.

>>91738966
Man I fuck dudes and even I think you're being a stupid faggot right now.

>>91737943
Why the fuck didn't they just make him bi?
That way you could read this without thinking Jean is literally convincing him he's gay with her mutation

>>91739109
Didn't she fuck that D-lister Ultimate Nullifier at some point?
You could write Chavez as bi pretty easily. She came from a dimension of only women, so her default assumption is that she's a lesbian (like how our default assumption in this world is that we're straight.) She could be wrong.
A friend of mine was raised by lesbian parents and that's her story in a nutshell.
You'd get flack from Tumblr though because lesbians fucking hate bi people.

>>91741865
Why should he do the work to support YOUR argument? Have you never been in any kind of debate before?
If it's so easy to find this page, why have you not simply posted it? Oh, I know, because it doesn't fucking exist.

>>91743122
It's obvious now why tumblanon wouldn't just post this page. It doesn't confirm or even really support anything they were arguing.

>>91743871
are you arguing that bobby was gay from the very beginning? there are numerous times in the comics where we read thought bubbles of him being attracted to women bobby being gay is clearly a retcon and spits in the face of anyone who genuinely cares about his character

>>91745663
People don't give a shit about bisexuals because they don't really understand them and they're not flavor of the month. Being gay or trans is popular so he's gay.

I write America Chavez as bi in fics and it's incredible how assblasted people get about it.

>>91745762
Tumblrinas always think other people should do their job for them.

>>91745315
Maybe pre-X-Tinction Agenda loliStorm?

>>91745528
And I would've used THAT to revert the change.
Pulled from a completely different time with different values, and faced with her own future death, she went bonkers, and part of it would be using her newfound telepathic powers to force her team to fit in better with the modern world, just so he wouldn't have to go back and grow up to die five times.

But for it to not cause a shitstorm it would have to be written by a black lesbian or something like that, so that tumblr couldn't argue against her.

>>91745505
They have a fucking intervention for older Bobby's heterosexuality. Are YOU retarded?

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I can do this, guys.
The O5s are actually mummurdrais of the future who disguised themselves using the body of the X-Men. Then everyone discovers the truth, an event happens and everything that was done in All New X-Men is deleted.

Get an adult straight Bobby from another universe

Call him Vanilla Ice

>>91737943
No romantic interest for 6 months to a year
Have him get a girlfriend and pretend the gay thing didn't happen

>>91743871

Congratulations, you missed the point completely. If, as you claim, Stan Lee intended for Bobby to be gay, from his very first appearance, why isn't he admitting to this? Why isn't Stan Lee taking credit for this? Does it sound at all like Stan to NOT take credit for something he played a part in?

And Scott Lobdell is worth mentioning because there actually WAS a "secret conspiracy" with Northstar being gay, that for around a decade, there were hints about him, but nothing was officially revealed until Lobdell wrote the issue where he came out, something which got Lobdell more attention and helped his career. Lobdell would absolutely have outed a character for a publicity stunt. And yet he wrote Bobby as straight, and says that's what he intended.

Do people outside /co/ even mind the change? I went on his thread on CBR and people seemed to be cheering it on. Most people still don't care about Iceman, now he might have gained a handful of fans. I'd rather they'd made him bi, or at least found a way to make him gay that's less mindrapey, but after the amount of noise Marvel made about one of the original X-Men being gay there's no going back now.

>>91743165
So she named her son after her ex-boyfriend?

What the fuck.

>>91746951
CBR is a shill site. Half the threads are appreciation threads and saying something critical gets you shouted down and ultimately banned.

>>91744642
I thought Prodigy is bisexual?

>>91747392
>I thought Prodigy is bisexual?
He is, he's only even bi because he got sucked into Gillen's Young Avengers no one came out of that straight.

>>91747469
I thought Tommy did. But from what I remember he was basically just a footnote in those, which is a shame because I like when him and Billy share screentime.

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>>91747534
Yeah his issue as a super-hero temp was the only one I actually liked. But I'm not quite sure how straight he was by the end.

>>91738477
like sooo progressive!

>>91737943
hit em with the gay-away-ray invented by some villain (or hero depending on your view)

>>91747780
Iceman V's Mike Pence?

>>91747654
I forgot Prodigy wanted to fuck him. Think Kate said something that he (Tommy) should reconsider his sexuality in the last issue now that I think about it.
Not like he needed to be diversified, his brother is already pretty fucking gay.

>>91737943

Make him bi.

>>91745732
this isn't the real green lantern this is just a guy wearing a green lantern costume

>>91744104
>who didn't know about the innuendo.
what innuendos? you have not shown any and as someone who didnt love but liked ice man's character this was a slap in my face i can't imagine what it feels like to a real ice man fan

>>91738477
>gag in family guy
literally just a superheroes are gay joke.

>>91745874
Just lying to himself

>>91738526
Teen Jean DOES seem like the type of cunt to do something like that. I think that's a valid point of approach, and if a future writer wants to, they can definitely un-gay Iceman.

Question is, would nu-Marvel ever hire such a writer.

>>91737943
I'm going to take a wild guess and assume OP is le edgy teen who is too young to remember when X2 came out 14 years ago and there was a whole scene dedicated to Bobby "coming out" to his parents as a mutant, that was a blatant allusion to homosexuality.

Bobby is gay forever--cry more.

>>91737943
Why do you care? The only people who liked him before all this were girls and gay dudes. Don't act like you were a fan of some background twink.

>>91750858
that Bobby also wanted to fuck Rogue

>>91750858
being a mutant is already a fucking blatant metaphor for being gay, try harder

>>91750834
Sure. All it takes is one gay writer who has a problem with it.

>>91747954
Stop making all the fucking kids gay, Gillen.

>>91750110
Only thing I recall is how much Northstar wanted ice dick, but bobby was lusting for goo girl.

But I guess if Northstar wanted to fuck him and talked about it behind his back and one character said "go for it it might work" that makes him gay

>>91745842
Well that and he completely got it wrong and assumed it was the Gold Team (it wasn't, Iceman and Colossus just guest-starred), and had the wrong issue number.

>>91746951
I've noticed people on other boards who felt it was botched badly. And it was, it really shouldn't have been Jean who outed Iceman.

CBR forums praising a Marvel thing isn't new since it's notorious for being a Marvel shill site. I started noticing that once Brand New Day happened and they were primarily taking shots at or reprimanding people who disliked the direction while allowing Slott to break the rules. CBR is only notable when they have a negative opinion of something Marvel since it comes off unusal.

>>91744859
it's called the seed of doubt

>>91740505
He was blatantly attracted to women before, not just pretending. Given the multiple telepaths around, if Bobby was faking it we would've known long ago.

Obviously he's bisexual. But for some reason most writers act like bisexuals aren't a thing.

>>91752710
>you can't be into both

yeah okay buddy

>>91751615
>and had the wrong issue number.
Not only that, but he called it a part of "Jim Lee era", which is blatantly wrong - it was way after Jim and the others left to start Image.

>>91737974
>Bendis knew what he was doing
did he?

>>91742607
Look at Stan Lee being right.

>>91751737

There's a lot of gay readers and comics-columnists on sites, who seem to have reacted with "I really don't like the way Marvel went about doing this, it's not OK to out someone like that, but what's done is done, he's ours now, and that is a big win".

Asking Marvel and DC to just stop pulling crap like this, and to create entirely new gay characters instead, doesn't seem to occur to them.

>>91752710

We already had an explanation of why Bobby had a series of failed relationships; he never ever got over losing Polaris to Havok. When they finally got back together around 2004-6, Bobby was happier and more well-adjusted than he'd been in a long time. Nostalgia for the Havok/Polaris pairing meant it couldn't last, however.

There is also a 1980s story where Bobby is seduced by an obvious villainess who is so obvious she has a villain name of "Infectia", but Bobby is thinking with his penis and falls under her power. This is not a storyline that makes any kind of sense for a gay man, no matter how deep in the closet. Nor does the Bobby/Opal romance. If he didn't really love her, why would he fight an entire family of cyborg Yakuza for her love?

>>91737974
naw since he's not the original 616 bobby you can just push him into a corner and forget about him and just focus on old bobby again

>>91750834
Teen Jean picked up a stray thought of Teen Bobby fantasizing about fucking Jean with his horse sized ice dick, she makes him gay so she never has to worry about Bobby thinking about her that way again.

>>91737974
nah bendis just wanted sjw points without any work.

>>91738101

This could work as part of the slippery slope from "Teen Jean using her powers to alter Angel's mind" and stop him leaving the group, to the evil future Xorn version of her from the Day of The Atom crossover.

But even if Marvel wanted to do back out of this, everyone working on the issue would probably need to go uncredited to protect them.

>>91755769
I would actually read that story. She, on a whim, decides to rewrite him so she never has to see him sexually again.

If you were a teen girl who could (and did) read everyone's minds constantly, and you found almost every guy around at least occasionally had the thought to fuck you, wouldn't you be at least a bit repulsed, if not scared? Then you realize you can just change people so you don't have to worry about it.

You start out slow, only on the really repulsive ones. But then you're doing it to all of them except the ones you personally find attractive. But if the ones you like rebuff you, you either fix them out of spite, or MAKE them love you.

Teen Jean has shown she has no sense of boundaries. These are things that would be in character for her.

>>91740336
Jean established all his past sexual relationships as being lies he was telling to himself. remember that young bobby tells her he might be bi and she denies it and tells him he isnt and hes REAL GAY

Him being bisexual would make sense evne considering how his main love interest ever has been Mystique, another bisexual character.

>>91740562
jean grey told him that he wasnt bisexual and that he was just pretending to be normal.

>>91756033

It's so strange how "Bobby had a relationship with Mystique" kept being used as "evidence" that he was gay. Mystique has also had sex with Wolverine, Sabretooth, Azazel, Fantomex, and possibly Gambit, and no-one ever argues that they're gay because of it.

>>91756069
"Pretending to be normal" makes fuck all sense in a universe where gay IS treated normally.

If ever and character has a remotely homophobic thought they're treated like a mustache twirling villain everyone has to fight or they end up being literally nuts like Ultimate Kurt. Even he turned around in the end.

>>91756221
Iceman has always had that trait. Even in his apocalypse files he was said to be the one that would most easily betray the mutant cause and marry a human instead, because he would rather turn his back to the mutant issues as long as he could.

When people got mass depowered during NO MORE MUTANTS he repressed his own powers for months to look normal.

>>91756018
bobby was the only one that wasnt into her

Jean grey turned him gay because thats how she rationalized it, when everyone else is always thinking of fucking her.

>>91745874
don't you remember the outrage when the movies paired iceman with rogue?

oh, right, there was no outrage, cause no one considered iceman a gay character.

>>91756300

Things like this, and repeated plots about Iceman's discomfort with having powers, and fear of the potential his powers have, these are plots that make sense and work when you embrace them as entirely what they are on the surface level; stories about people coping with having superpowers, and how it can change your life in ways you might not want.

At the time Bobby was going through a storyline where Emma Frost had showed him the full scale of his powers, we also got to see the Age of Apocalypse version of Iceman, who had mastered his powers, but was losing his humanity and sanity in the process, and we got this, to show us what Bobby was so scared of.

But "X-Men is a metaphor for minorities" is so hardwired into so many readers that people are looking for metaphors even when they're not intended, and even when it means ignoring the obvious.

>>91748995
Bobby suggested to Jean that maybe he was bi. Her reply was:
>They say everyone is.
>Really?
>Yeah, but I think you're more... full on gay.

Which is fucking retarded, because how can you say "Everyone is bi" and follow it up with "Except you. You're full on gay"?

>>91750858
That's not allusion, that's allegory. They have always used X-men as an allegory for prejudice against minorities. But just because "coming out as a mutant" is allegory for "coming out as a homosexual" doesn't mean the character is homosexual. That's the whole point.

>>91743443
Rocket's Gay?

>>91758338
>>91751213
The whole metaphor was based around Bobby fucking around with them "weird" girls.

>>91741495
Actually factor 3 does love robots...

>>91742400

Pictures and videos or it didn't happen. I need to know the exact names, social security numbers, time, date, and street addresses (with zip code), or these conversations couldn't possibly have happened and you're just making them up to prove your point.

Now THIS is shitposting.

>>91737943
Why is Iceman being gay a thing? It doesn't change anything about the character. He just likes other guys.

It's the same denial delusions people have about Fatigue from Bedfellows.

Fatigue is a boy and Iceman is gay. Move on.

The real crime is Jean Grey being in comics, again.

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Reveal that young bobby is from another dimension and have Older Bobby reveal himself to be bisexual preferring women.

Than have him go back to being in a will they won't they with Mystique

>>91741950

Gee, if only there weren't examples of this not working already.

>Beast.
>Wolverine.
>Magneto.

(Just write good stories about Bobby Drake)

>>91761572
>Mystique
>Growing a dick on command
Checks out.

>>91761484
Nah Iceman being gay is a problem, not that he is gay but the fact that it disregards his entire character history and has derailed all his ongoing plotlines for being THE gay X-Man.

I would put money down on the Iceman ongoing completely ignoring the fact that Bobby is Fimbulwinter incarnate and is fated to likely start the events that lead's to the fall of Asgard.

>>91738526
>Normies don't know any of the X Men except Wolverine, Storm, and Cyclops. They probably don't even know about all this, much less care.


Nah, they'd care because of a bunch of clickbait articles from Huffington Post and shit of the like would pop up and then they'd rage on Twitter for all of a week before dropping it once they realise they don't read nor care about comics. Same as they did with the 'nazi Magneto' shit and RiRi Williams.

>>91744102
>toning down puns
>no more goofily hitting on women

So... uh, what the fuck is left of his character, exactly?

>>91741950
To be fair, no one fucking likes Jean. No one. Normies and comic fans alike are either completely indifferent to her since she's a walking plot device or hate her. Even fucking normies I know hated her in the original X Men movies. So nothing of value would be lost, so yeah I think it'd work out alright and there's a good villain right there because everyone already fucking hates her and she's powerful as shit.

>no one give a moth's shit about Bobby
>meme writer makes him gay
>suddenly everybody has an opinion and won't stop talking about Bobby

stop being so easily manipulated

>>91743999
Unironically great.

>>91762136
Every fucking time.

>Bobby doesn't get the tshirts and events about him therefore he has no fans

Seriously man fuck you.

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>>91762383
Bobby never got threads about him. Bobby never got used for reaction images. Bobby Fanart never got posted. Bobby stories never got storytimed. the proof is in the pudding.

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I wish people would stop looking for past proof of Bobby being gay, that implies Bendis actually researched and planned this shit out. While still writing him as straight until the last minute

>>91742400
>All ice characters look the same to me.

Clearly those people are bigots.

>>91756137
Aren't Logan and Fantomex bi?

>>91762549
Neither has Colossus or Beast.

Does that mean they don't have fans either?

>>91761572
Why does Mystique like him? He seems like he wouldn't be her type.

>>91763713
Part of the same sub-team of the x-men for a while part of her job to betray them was to seduce Bobby and mess with his powers, since then she screws with him every once in a while and he walks through it because he's an immortal omega level mutant then they fuck.

She seems to also totally be up for an evil partnership together because she finds his sheer power and the fact that he's still holding onto enough reality to be screwed with mentally hot.

>>91737943
He continues to go out with women and that page is never brought up again. It's really not hard.

>>91765896
too bad the current writer says they want to use the ongoing to "explore his sexuality"

>>91763211
Fantomex I think is especially since his female portion sorta counts as himself, Logan as far as I know hasn't been shown to be attracted to men

>>91766586
>Man, you know what would make this twink with daddy issues even better? A vagina.

>>91767094
but isn't his female portion a lesbian?

>>91756348
now THAT makes sense

>>91737943
Yea, making him bi. That's about it. Call it self discovery

Anybody have those page edits where it's him talking about how fucked up it is to go into someone's mind and tell them that they're gay?

>>91755705
Anon...

People keep saying the O5 x-men first debuted in All New X-Men are from another AU. Can peeps tell me when that was revealed? Been out of the x-men loop for a couple years

>>91770211
Hopeless's last issue of All New X-men Volume 2. I think it was 18.

>>91737943
Impossible without a backlash

>>91744204
I don't suppose that you noticed how when Scott died Mr. Sinister was next seen slumming it in a sewer lair with unkempt hair and a five-O'clock shadow, and then was easily defeated and captured for the first time in comic history?
He really took Scott's death hard. It was hilarious.
At least when Wolverine died Sabretooth had moved on past his creepy psychosexual stalker thing.

>>91737943
>Bobby says what's happening as he feels his mind being rewired.

>>91761933
Next they take his ice slides.

>>91761933
>>91780176
So a book about an average guy. with daddy issues, struggling to get into the gay dating scene? Marvel really know how to make diversity interesting don't they.

Praise the lord for hentai fanworks:
http://www.hentai-foundry.com/pictures/user/tracyscops/489433/FLASH-All-New-X-Men-Outta-The-Closet

Thank me later