why doesnt he rule the DC universe? laziness? couldnt he put

>>91641672
Are you an idiot or just bored?

Superspeed doesn't make you god. It's a pretty good power but off the top of my head

Zatanna: Mooz tnac evom

Martian: Imma turn off your brain

Lantern of your choice: You're in a box now

Superman: Hey I'm fast too and also invulnerable and strong and have like 50 other powers you don't have.

Wonder Woman: See Superman

Really the only A-listers that would be completely owned by a speedster are people who are basically normies in costumes.

>>91641921
More like:
>Martian: Imma turn off your AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>91641921
Snaps neck before Zatanna can talk. Grab Martian and put him in a furnace in 0.00001 seconds. Kill the Lantern before they can react. Bring Kryptonite and snap his neck before he can react. With Wonder Women just find some super weapon and just go faster then light stab her.

>>91641921
Zoom could kill Zatanna before she'd even finished pronouncing the first "M" in "Mooz".

>>91641994
thats assuming you're actually aware of all the things going on around you, which speedsters have repeatedly shown, they are not

Fast is not omniscient

>>91641994
>Reverse age Diana back into clay

>>91641943
>Superman forgets he can do anything other than punch and fly
>Lantern forgoes the making of any constructs and opts to fire lasers instead

>>91641943
>his thinking is done at such intense speeds it shatters my psychic attempts!

>>91642040
Flash managed to evacuate a entire city of millions of people in a second. Every Flash travels faster then light. They wouldn't even hear them coming.

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>>91641994
You really think any magic user after Eobard wouldn't make up a shield,do it in there own little pocket dimensions or I don't know,hover a few feet in the air before getting rid of him

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>>91642063
Okay dr fate stays in his castle that can't be entered without his permission,teleports Eobard to the sun.Done.Fuck let deadman posses him

>>91642040
because cis and pis

if you don't know those terms perma heem yourself cause you have no right to any sort of opinion

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>>91641994
>>91642063
>>91641994
You know, Batman fans get a lot of flak for "Batgod" but I'm starting to think Flash fans are worse

This kind of thing does not happen in comics, ever. Speedsters are routinely foibled by shit they just aren't or can't be aware of

The reason Zoom hasn't taken over the DC universe is because he's not as powerful as people are claiming, it's just that simple

He was fucking stabbed with a sword, and this kind of thing is not new.

>>91642099
>>He was fucking stabbed with a sword, and this kind of thing is not new.

And it makes no sense, the time passed between he felt the point of the sword and being impaled for him must be like... an eternity? But then again, we are talking about comics, it doesn't have to be logic or make any sense.

>>91642099
Flash felt a bullet begin to enter the back of his neck, and reacted in time to dodge it. A sword travels so much slower. That and other times Flashes have been hit with swords (like fucking Deathstroke) is PIS.

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>>Oh no an evil speedsters trying to rule the world,however will we stop hi-

>>91642162
>Flash felt a bullet begin to enter the back of his neck, and reacted in time to dodge it.

That's the bullshit part. The time it takes for your neurons to transmit the sensation of a bullet entering your neck is more than enough time for the bullet to just go through your neck.

Unless we assume Flash is in "speed mode" all the time, which is stupid because then he'd live out his whole life in a blink of an eye. He's still a human and spends most of his life in Normie Time so he can do human things

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>>91642162
Come on nigga batman and Prometheus have nearly killed the flash twice now,it's PIS but you can't pretend there isn't a precedent for stopping them

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>>91641672
>why doesnt he rule the DC universe?
why would he want to?

>>91642194
But If The speedster is on the offensive, he will be in speed mode. Moving faster then light. So they will have NO time to react.

Also if you are moving faster then light, any blow will have planet cracking force behind it. 99% of enemies will get pulped by a mere fucking touch.

>>91642207
Comic book writers are Hacks that don't understand what they are writing about. Any being that can move faster then life should beat everything bar a super high end reality warper.

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>>91642267
If reverse flash wants to concur a comic book universe he's bound to comicbook laws,including unrealistic geniuses.There a precedent for stopping speedsters even if it's stupid it's still there,likewise pretty much most of mystic DC could stop him

>>91642267
Haha, fucking power level children.

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The real question is what could stop a Reverse Plastic Man?

>>91641672
Speedforce is OP but not that OP.
Dr Fate could wreck his shit any day. If not then there's always the Specter.

>>91641672
He literally can't, he already discussed how he can't kill or stop Barry from becoming the Flash because that would stop him from being the Reverse-Flash. The most he can do is make sure Barry lives a really shitty life. He can't alter the past too much in an extreme degree or he'll risk changing the future

>>91642300
reverse jimmy olsen

>>91641672
Im extremely interested to see how Batman survives being caught totally flat footed by Thawne.

>>91642300
>The future descendant of Plastic Man unearths an old Plastic Man uniform and wears it to gain his powers

>The uniform is literally Plastic Man

I need this story

>>91641672
>why doesnt he rule the DC universe?
Gee it's almost like there's a superhero with his exact same powerset who asks him whenever he does evil stuff

>>91642349
All he has to do is let Eobard posture for 30 seconds. And since you can't do a super villain monologue in superspeed it shouldn't be too difficult.

>>91642349
How the fuck does Batman even survive a punch at super speed right to his shin. He should have half his head pulped.

>>91642386
You mean like some sort of Reverse-Reverse-Flash?

>>91642399
Chin.

>>91642349
RF wants revenge on Thomas for killing him. And given how petty and sadistic he is, the revenge plot will likely involve making Bruce suffer without killing him.

>>91641672
I don't know why you posted Thawne when Zoom is much more terrifying and powerful.

>>91642430
Only reason Thawne doesn't kill Barry is because he can't, there is nothing stopping him from killing Bruce.

>>91642564
then why doesnt he kill them all except barry

>>91642464
they are all both the same to me, dweeb. i dont even read comics. i just listen to comicsexplained on youtube

>>91641672
Because the specter is still a thing you silly goose

>>91642762
Bait or not seriously kill yourself you fucking piece of shit. You're what's wrong with the fanbase

>>91642099
Fanboyism is stupid in general, regardless of the subject matter.
Batman has a lot of fans and they make a lot of noise
Flash is getting more fans and they are beginning to make noise too
MCU has tons of fans and their noise is cacophonous
Weebs are everywhere and they won't shut the fuck up either

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>>91641672
I WONDER WHY. Flashfags, worse than Batman fans I swear.

>>91642564
As a time traveler Thawne can't risk changing history.

>>91641672
Moving that fast, wouldn't the momentum have been enough to snap Bruce's neck?

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>>91644713
let me help you with that

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>>91644824
>Let me check Twitter and see what it is

>>91642300
Plastic Man's weakness are extreme heat and cold but even then that will only incapacitate him. He's immortal and will regenerate from pretty much anything even if it takes him 1000 years.

>>91642040
A FUCKING ATTOSECOND

Because the only thing he cares about, the ONLY thing, is making Barry miserable. Nothing else matters to him.

Eobard Thawne is one of the most petty men in all of comic books.

>>91641921
Nope. Outside of Superman Zoom could literally kill all of them before they even have time to realize he is there.

>>91642099
>Bad writing is why he can't take over the universe
Fixed that for you. There is literally no reason he shouldn't be able to kill the entire justice league outside of other speedsters.

>>91641672
Look, at some point in comics you just have to accept that things aren't going to happen logically because then stories would be really boring.

In theory characters like Zoom, Flash, Superman, etc could most likely kill everyone they wanted in minutes. But they don't cause then the story is over.

>>91642062
>Then why can you do that to all our Flashes but not one reverse flash!?

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>>91645126
>Extreme Heat

Oh really? Tell that to Infernus

>>91641921
>>91642040

did you forget the timetravel?
These assholes have literately rewritten history.

>>91645959
Maybe they should have put some thought into them. Like not giving people the ability to go faster then light. Or even near light speed. Travelling at light speed could kill nearly anything, from the sheer speed X mass.

Worm for example had a speedster. But the author designed the power to be useful but not OP. As the speedster (Velocity) speeds up, he interacts with the world less. So at high speed he can punch a hundreds times but they fell like taps. There are other ways to design the power. Like Battery who can only use her super speed (and strength and durability) for a few seconds, then recharge for a few seconds. Lots of ways to be creative, but writers are hacks.

>>91641672
I'm way outta the loop, why is The Comedian's button there?

>>91641672
So is this real Eobard, or New 52 Eobard?

>>91646244
Showed up in DC Universe: Rebirth. OP's image is from the preview pages for The Button crossover that starts tomorrow in Batman and continues in The Flash.

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>>91646284
Real.

Name heroes Prof Zoom wouldn't be able to kill.
Off the top of my head I can just think of Plastic Man.

>>91646457
the spectre

>>91646670
Give me the full thing anon.

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>>91646758

>>91646820
Fucking Barry

>>91641672
because ruling the world would get in the way of fucking with Barry Allen

>>91646820
>Zoom becomes born again
>He still hates Barry but uses his religion as an excuse

>>91646670
Thank you based leakanon I've been hype since yesterday

>>91646820
So Prof zoom has "died" again, what time is this? His 5th?

How badly and cringy is Doctor Manhattan going to be written?

>>91642411
Zibarro?

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>>91641672
Real answer: he did rule the world in the New 52's variant of the 25th century under the title "Tyrant Thawne".

However, he got butthurt at the fact that despite everything he did, the people of the 25th century still loved the Flash better, and rebelled against him in the name of the Flash.

The Prime Earth Thawne went after Barry after being pissed that nobody would love him like they did the Flash.

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>>91645219
>Autistic screeching can be heard from far away.

>>91646214
So....do you like the Flash or not?
Because if you like the Flash you're going to have to be prepared to accept that his is the silliest comic book series at all, hands down. Nothing in it makes a lick of sense.

If you DON'T like the Flash, then why even bother whining about it like a rich cunt who's daddy won't buy her a new purse? Just ignore the character, like we all ignore characters we don't like.

>>91647211
Who is the more Petty Villain?

>>91642207
>>91642218
This. Fight comic book science with comic book science.

Super vibration magic? Super vibration magic BULLET.

>>91642743
Why would he want to cause himself bigger headaches? The JLA protect the world from cosmic level threats he'd rather not deal with.

He wants to fuck over Barry, not fuck over his world.

>>91642564
Next panel is him tearing up Thomas Wayne's letter in front of him. It's clear he wants to take revenge on Batman, not just kill him.

>>91642157
He might not have felt it until it was too late. People in real life have taken serious wounds without noticing, and he was focused on beating Barry's ass.

Bad writing. Zoom could easily kill all of the justice league but I guess only cares about Barry.

>>91645998

>HIS THINKING IS FAST AND IN REVERSE

>>91648259
Zoom couldn't do shit to Plastic Man.

>>91641672
Because ruling the universe would put a dent in his "Fucking with Barry" time, and that just won't do.

>>91646214
It's almost as if the Flash doesn't just deal with a constant stream of vs battles and has to deal with situations where he's surprised or has to figure out what's going on around him.

>Worm

Oh. A Worm fan. So you just have garbage taste.

>>91648259
>It's bad writing if a character doesn't do something I think he should do even though it's completely out of character for him.

Zoom doesn't want to rule the world. He's not a megalomaniac. All he cares about is making Barry miserable. He's literally Barry's obsessed stalker from the future. He gives no fucks about world domination. Only reason he's messing with Batman here is because Batman was helping Barry.

>>91646820
Man, I hope Dr. Manhattan being the final boss is a red herring. I hate how everyone is jobbing to a weaker Firestorm.

>>91648399
>Only reason he's messing with Batman here is because Batman was helping Barry.
No, the only reason he's messing with Batman here is because Batman's dad killed him in Flashpoint. He literally said that's why.

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>>91646670
>Thawne stomps the shit out of Batman and tears up his letter

>But then he takes the big blue dick up the ass

>God! I saw God!

I hate the amount of Dr. M dick riding in this event.

Also how is a time traveler beaten by a guy that's a slave to time?

>>91646214
>can punch a hundreds times but they fell like taps
And you think that is "good" writing? That super fast punches would feel like taps?

>>91641994
So, you're 12.

>>91645833
Literally any ringslinger from any Corps would be able to wreck him, Lantern autoshields even from rookies have resisted black holes.

>>91646214
>>91650540
No, you see its "good writing" because it takes an idea that makes people that only read "who would win" threads and no comics have autism fits (super speed) and gimps it to make fights more "fair".

People like Anon don't actually care about stories. They care about fights, because their favorite animes are nothing but constant one on one fights.

So "game balance" is an important plot point for theme where "theme" and "tone" would be important for normal, non-autistic people.

Also wormfags are retards.

>>91647489
Black manta, but he is also alot more bad ass about it.

>>91651865
Flashes can vibrate through GL constructs. He could age him to dust before he ever issues the ring a command.

>>91642080
To be fair The Flash can build an entire super large suspension bridge before any of the cars that were on it fell.

Thawne could build an entire skyscraper up to wherever they're floating in a microsecond. Or throw a lightspeed rock at their head.

>>91642194
>That's the bullshit part. The time it takes for your neurons to transmit the sensation of a bullet entering your neck is more than enough time for the bullet to just go through your neck.

Do you not understand how super speed works? Everything about them is faster. Their neurons instinctively travel fast enough to sense a sensation like that and immediately kick them into super speed.

>>91642181
TBF, this was in the early 90s when Flash could still only go the Speed of Sound.

And Flash had just effortlessly beat Slade earlier in the issue. The only reason this happened is Wally was near unconscious from getting blasted in the back by a laser.

>>91642181
Jesus, Wally...

>>91642207
>>91642218

Is this comicvine? how stupid are you fucks?

The first one was just a lie that worked because Flash couldn't risk harming others. In the event of an evil speedster this shit doesn't happen.

The second one is obviously stupidity. The Flash has never, ever vibrated through a bullet in his entire career. He always just catches or dodges them. There's no reason for this plan to work aside from idiocy and writer fiat.

Doubly so for here, since that's Wally. If he successfully vibrated through that bullet it would've turned into a fucking grenade that explodes and destroyed the whole room, killing people.

>>91653442
Yes, that is how Super-speed SHOULD have to work, but that is now how it works in application in the DC Universe. Speedsters get caught "flat-footed" on a reliable basis.

Then some board moron tries to cover for it with "but they didn't have their speed ACTIVATED yet!".

>>91648326
He could de-age him to before he had Plastic powers. Controlling age is one of Thawne's abilities.

How come whenever a character is beaten by something or shown to be weak that's "writer fiat" or "plot induced stupidity" but whenever they're shown to do something retardedly powerful or competent that's just the baseline we use to judge everything by?

The perceptions should be the other way around. When a character is beaten by something, that should be taken as definitive proof of what beats them, and when they do something so strong that it makes no sense, that should just be waved off as writer fanwankery

>>91653541
>Yes, that is how Super-speed SHOULD have to work, but that is now how it works in application in the DC Universe. Speedsters get caught "flat-footed" on a reliable basis.

Right, it's writers doing what they want regardless of character capability. Some people call that bad writing, and it can be (ala the Deathstroke vs JL fight) but sometimes it's just a sacrifice that has to be made for the story. Just like sometimes Flash is more powerful than he should be depending on the story.

It's not right or wrong or good or bad. It's a a case by case basis. Terminal Velocity's an amazing story with the ending being Wally becomes the most powerful Speedster -- but it was written in such a way as to be engaging.

Bart Allen's run was garbage even though they constantly called him "THE FASTEST MAN WHO EVER LIVED" or whatever because bad writers misinterpret old stories and think that power wankery is all people care about.

I'm sure there's some autists on here who think Bart's run is great purely because of that line.

>>91653601
Then you're just a hypocrite the other way around. Either you think overly stupid or overly powerful showings are both too ridiculous and need to be ignored, or you think both are fine for the purposes of the stories and should be taken as both being plausible.

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>>91653629
Making the protagonist so fast that he can run to the other side of Eternity and punch God in the testicles 6,000,000 times and be back in a single attosecond is always a stupid idea.
Because you end up writing over half his stories (and basically every crossover) with that character as a guy who "runs about with speed-lines and punches people kinda fast".

If your main heroes aren't preposterous Jojo "Stand" characters, then they don't have to be stuck fighting Their Own Evil Clone for suspense.

>>91653736
The main problem is that after 600 issues of retelling the same circular conflicts, writers get tired and it's time for more hyperbolic "stronger/faster/blastier than he's ever been!" stories.

When was the last time a Flash rogue was created who was close to being an original concept?

>>91653736
The best Flash comics were Wally when he was doing the most powerful bullshit imaginable. Your overexaggerations are noted but Cheetah beating up Barry in Justice League wasn't a good story, either.

Like I said you look like some comicvine troll who got banned one too many times over there and just came to /co/ to shitpost. You clearly know nothing about the actual Flash stories themselves and merely only care about (and hate) his powers.

>>91653804
Hunter Zolomon was quite original. Despite being a "reverse flash" The character itself isn't something you see a lot in cape comics.

So like 12 years?

>>91653816
I'm not the same person you were insulting earlier. But your insult is noted, for what that's worth.

The problem with Wally "doing the most powerful bullshit imaginable" is that now either all his rogues have to be upgraded to nonsensical toon physics (and most were), or he has to be continually fighting evil faster-er clones of himself (which is par for the course anymore).

>>91653846
"He's Reverse Flash, but cuh-razy."
That's it eh?
You might as well call "Face-off Joker" original content.

>>91648303

Th-then get Zatanna to help! Sh-she knows backwards shit too right??

Ah geez he's just too fast.

>>91653959
You can make anything sound stupid by simplifying it enough. There's a surprising amount of nuance in Zolomon despite being a Geoff Johns' character.

He's the only Flash character who started off as a friend but slowly succumbed to a sort of madness after a constant string of life ruining events. The "I'm doing this for your own good" gimmick isn't especially new, but the way he went about it in an oddly genre savvy way was interesting.

Of course then they made Godspeed who is the most watered down version of Zolomon imaginable.

>>91654031
I'm well aware of Zoom's gimmick.
that still doesn't stop him from being a retread (if a decent one) of an old ass villain.

So Flash stopped having original villains, what, 45 years ago?

That's still better than Aquaman, who's had basically 4 meaningful rogues over 60+ years.

Or Green Arrow's 3 +1 he stole from another hero.

>>91653910
You were doing the same, predictable thing where you post panels of Flash getting owned and then talk shit about him. If you're not the same guy you're functionally indistinct.

>>91654138
He is not like Thawne at all. That's like saying Wally and Barry are the same character because they "do the same thing." There's so much different about their motives, what they're actually doing and how they got to that point that you basically just have to ignore everything but "Evil speedster in yellow suit." Which is stupid and reductive.

Zolomon's much, much newer.

Also there's Blacksmith's entire Rogues crew as different characters made around the same time as Zoom. Your point's shit no matter how badly you don't want it to be.

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>>91641672
because batman has a contingency plan

>>91642399
>How the fuck does Batman even survive a punch at super speed right to his shin.
Speedforce punches are just not seen to be the same as normal punches of equivalent velocity. That, or whatever stops a speester from breaking his own arm is also what stops the punches from being too powerful.

>>91654642
Until the Speedster feels like it and does the ol infinite mass punch.

>>91654642
So basically "I dunno".

>>91654848
>So basically "I dunno".
Not really. Speedforce basically alters physics to makes a Speedster possible. But if you change physics then you can't expect other elements of physics to stay unchanged. It's like why a Speedsters doesn't create a destructive cyclone level windblast where ever he goes. He shouldn't even be allowed to be running near anyone without instantly killing them.

>>91654642
>>91654821
>>91654848
He's not trying to kill him retards, he's trying to cause him lots and lots of pain. Its why he tore up the letter.

>>91654974
>It's like why a Speedsters doesn't create a destructive cyclone level windblast where ever he goes.
Think Wally did something like that once, when his powers were on the fritz. During the WML or Waid days.

>>91641672
>Some company in Europe have a trademark on the smiley face
>Can't get the lenticular cover without importing it

>>91642267
Comic book writers are trying to tell good stories, not rigidly adhere to "power levels" so autists like you can make charts and graphs about fictional people.

>>91641672
>>91641921
What about that shit he does in his newer origin story where he just grabs people and they are erased from the timeline?

Could he do that to any superhero he wanted?

>>91642099
For everyone else that is not a Flash Fan, Flash is a mostly street level guy that fights street level villains.

But crossover Flash is the most powerful being in the setting.

>>91641994
>Snaps neck
>snaps neck
>kill
>stab

you're so silly anon, those are WONDER WOMAN'S powers.

>>91641672
the implication in the injustice series is that when ares used the joker to murder lois metropolis and and all the others that the future changed so damned abruptly that all future time travelers fucking were erased zoom as well.

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>>91656465

>Diana grabs him by the head as he rushes up
>Zoom breaks his own neck

>>91645126
Amazing how some plastics company in the 40's invented the perfect recipe for immortality in the DCU.

Out of all the super intelligent beings, races, and scientists out there, Plastico did it in the 40's.

>>91648442
Isn't he basically extra boring Captain Atom?

>>91641994
>grab J'onn and carry him to furnace
>find Kryptonite
I'm not even going to adress the Diana one. Are you 12?

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>>91646994
Dr Manhattan actually doing anything productive in the slightest seems to be pretty contradictory to the nature of the character, he did almost nothing but exist in watchmen and only took action because an authority figure told him too.

>>91656586
He literally was captain atom in the original outline but DC asked Moore to change to original characters in order to avoid ruining the characters for future use.

>>91656618
It was implied that he had regained (or was it just gained?) his agency again at the very end of the book.

>>91656434
Flash is useless as fuck in crossover. He's been nothing but a chump in JL since Waid left the title in the early 00s.

Flash is the most powerful in his solo books where he can be the star of the show, unlike in JL or whatever where it has to be Batman or Superman.

>>91641672
>>91642099
>>91642157

Why are characters like this written to be so fucking overpowered? Like who the fuck wants to read a book about a guy that can "feel a bullet begin to enter the back of their neck, and react in time to dodge it" besides 3rd grade boys? Like where are the stakes? Why even pick the book up if it's a "Flash is too fast to be harmed or fail to defeat the villain" episode every fucking week?

>>91656618
The end of the book very specifically painted him as someone who was going to go do something incredible with all of his power, just not on Earth.

I think Manhattan WILL be the one who did all this/final boss - but only in super Morrison meta efforts to stop some larger force from ending DC altogether, some weird allegory for comic slump of 90's/00s.

>>91656982
Seeing heroes use their powers to do cool things is the main draw of cape comics. If you don't like it then you don't like it. You probably hate action movies, too, since the plot isn't deep or thought provoking and it's just people doing cool shit.

If you think "Someone shot the Flash and he found a cool way not to die" is so beyond the bounds of reason that it's implausible then you're also a fucking idiot.

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>>91644713
>Supes sticks his arm out and the dude runs his face full-speed into his fist
>"Well done, Superman"

kek

>>91642267
No retard, that page explains just one single reason why that wouldn't happen. The only way what you're saying happens is if a speedster becomes an omnipresent malevolent presence killing anyone who makes moves to stop him instantly.

>>91641672
EARLY RIP?

>>91642430

Wait he remembers all that stuff?

>>91646820

So wait he can't be dead right? Isn't he just about to get an arc in the Flash book?

>>91657042
>Seeing heroes use their powers to do cool things is the main draw of cape comics.
But isn't it cooler to see our hero use their head and their powers in a unique way to survive? Instead of just "The Flash is really fast, and the fact that he's really fast means he can't die". Even something as simple as "Flash was about to get shot in the head but was fast enough to dodge and gets shot non-fatally in the neck". Now you have:
1) a character who is powerful, but not so powerful that there are zero stakes in the story, what if next time he can't react quite so fast?
2) potential for an interesting scenario based on the character's imperfection (he has to get to a hospital ASAP but using his speed will make him bleed out faster?)

>beyond the bounds of reason that it's implausible

a man with super-speed? implausible? nah

All I'm saying is sometimes this shit gets into "the playground during lunchtime" territory. I'd prefer a Superman who is strong, but not strong enough to bench-press the sun for a week straight. I'd prefer a Flash who isn't fast enough to evacuate an entire city in less than .98 seconds. I have no desire to read more fuel for comicvine VS threads every month.

>>91646384

Okay what time nonsense explains this one? How the fuck does Thawne remember being killed?

>>91656513
interesting, thanks

>>91657386
Id wager that Thawnes constant travel back and forth between the timeline has made him somewhat immune to the constant flux of history, meaning that he recalls any and all possible futures created by speedster fuckery, either by his own hand or another.

>>91644891
probably looking at pictures of hamboigahs on that thing by the look of it

>>91657031
I'd appreciate that.

>>91657386
He exists outside the timestream with his nega speedforce bullshit I thought?

>>91657536
As I typed that I was lingering on how pretentious that could be, but the more I think about it the more I like it. I mean with this event even happening The New52 is becoming an allegory for the logical conclusion of "cool edgy DC comics that still aren't Watchmen" trend that started in the 80s/90s.

>>91657005
Maybe the DC universe IS the world he created after watchmen ended, he did say he was going to leave and create life.....

>>91648442
>weaker Firestorm
Are you serious?

>>91657324
>But isn't it cooler to see our hero use their head and their powers in a unique way to survive? Instead of just "The Flash is really fast, and the fact that he's really fast means he can't die". Even something as simple as "Flash was about to get shot in the head but was fast enough to dodge and gets shot non-fatally in the neck"

You realize this is something The Flash has done dozens of times, right? Do you not understand the concept of doing something new and neat? Because that's all it was. It wasn't some like, precedent setting catastrophe that ruined The Flash for years to come.

This is what's wrong with faggots like you. You've never read the scene, you just ASSUME it's stupid. The reason it happened was it created this amusing situation where Wally mistakenly talked to himself, because the gunshot interrupted a conversation. It was cute and amusing and then Wally saved the movie theater from a mass shooting like cool heroes do.

It's not supposed to be the epitome of deep, thoughtful, clever writing. It's popcorn comics. And there's nothing with that.

>I'd prefer a Flash who isn't fast enough to evacuate an entire city in less than .98 seconds

Aight dude if you didn't think the nuke evacution was a cool scene then you're just a big autistic baby. It was demonstrably cool. The math was dumb. But the imagery of an entire city's population being saved from nuclear holocaust as Wally, fatigued to the point where he can't take another step, looks on in horror at the mushroom cloud in the sky was AMAZING.

If what you got from that -- The Flash saving a citys worth of people from death with every last bit of his power -- was "um he's too fast, I'd rather he wasn't" then you're the fucking worst. Go somewhere else, reading something else. Cape comics aren't for you.

>>91656586
Except he's vastly more powerful, can time travel, exists in the future and the past at the same time, seems to somewhat omniscient, and has fine enough control of his powers to just create people from thin air, including himself after being disintegrated.

>>91657386
The same reason Wally remembers a marriage that never happened.

Speed Force.

>>91657470
Thawne was expressly changed by Flashpoint/Manhattan. That's how we got New 52 Thawne.

Something happened to revert him to his Flashpoint/Pre-Flashpoint self. Some ominous blast of energy hit him in his confinement and now he knows.

>>91657324
When the hero of the movie enters the CAVE OF DEATH that no one has ever returned from alive, do you get angry when they return from it alive?

Showing some impossible scenario and then having the hero overcome it is one of the core tenets of mythological fiction. And superhero comics are just modern mythological characters.

>>91658714
There's also nothing wrong with asking writers to actually be competent and care about their work, rather than rely on big "cool" set pieces to sell the story.

If you think a writer can be shit just because they write a corny on rails sequence to ride the dick of whichever superhero they're writing for that week, than you're a short buser that laughs at jingling keys.

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>>91658731
Soo....Captain Atom....

>>91659023
He's also well written, which is key to the character not coming across as a giant mary sue.

>>91659023
If he can bend time and space by will, why the need of grabbing people in the first place?

>>91659023
Yeah, but with writing that keeps him from being a giant blue self insert with a million powers never used before or again and which don't actually make any sense in use.

>>91658731
>can time travel,
Wasn't this the first thing Captain Atom ever did?

>>91659175
maybe his hand is made of time

>>91659023
The tinfoil bag of radiation that can be popped by any kryptonian?

no anon he is not more powerful

>>91659023
And this dude only existed in this form because Barry fucked the timeline. Shows how all powerful he is.

Also I don't think the Speed Force is made of particles.

>>91658996
>There's also nothing wrong with asking writers to actually be competent and care about their work, rather than rely on big "cool" set pieces to sell the story.

There's nothing fucking wrong with the writing. You're arbitrarily stating it's bad because it doesn't fit within your very limited notion of what's reasonable for a super powered demi-god to do.

You made this "problem" up. I'm the one saying it was a good story that you never fucking read so you don't even know if the writing was good. You just assume it's bad because the ONLY thing you care about is stupid powerlevels, because you seem to think that anything that isn't the most generic shit like "Flash dodges a bullet" must be bad. That's your idea of good writing. Whether or not the Flash is too powerful. Not what the purpose of the power he demonstrated in the story was.

You're as bad as the fucking idiots who "LOL ATTOSECOND," just at the other extreme. Maybe even worse because while they're annoying, you're insufferably smug. As if you're some masterful literary savant who truly can tell how good a story is just from vague recollection of 4 panels from it. But you're not, you're actually as shallow as possible. You care not for depth of character or story, purely whether or not Flash is too powerful.

>>91658996
I've got a quick question for you. Who do you think is a better, more interesting character: Wally West or Pietro Maximoff?

>>91659342
Is.. Is that a time travel joke?

>>91659882
That's not really fair, Pietro is a sidekick/b-level team support with like a one hundredth of the appearances.

>>91646820
Why's he covered in blue fire? I thought Doc deconstructed stuff, not lite it on fire.

>>91659979
Doc does whatever doc wants. He's usually pretty pragmatic, but sometimes he's having fun.

>>91659940
Just answer the question.

>>91660029
But anon, I am not the anon you asked with your weird leading question.

>>91641921
>>91642039
Even the Top stopped Zatanna's spell by stealing the air away from her, and while he's got super speed, it's nowhere near Thawne's level.

>>91646160
I think he can't use time travel to kill them because of the butterfly effect. Maybe killing superman would prevent barry from becoming a league member and never inspiring him to become zoom.

>>91641672
He doesn't want to rule the universe.

He wants to ruin Barry Allen's life.

>>91660785
>He wants to ruin Barry Allen's life.

No anon. He wants Barry Allen's life. That's the most important thing. Him lashing out and trying to ruin Barry's life is purely an attempt to bring Barry down to his level, because the only thing he craves is to be as good as Barry Allen.

>>91660162
Top is on another category he is not just your usual rogue anon he is the fucking Top.

>>91658731
>Can time travel
Explicitly not in Watchmen. I've heard they changed it for Before Watchmen though.

>Exists in the future and the past at the same time

No. He just sees the past and future at the same time. Billy Pilgrim had the same thing in Slaughterhouse Five.

>Omniscient

But tied to whatever future he sees. And tachyon radiation fucks his perception which was how Vedit got away with his plan in the first place.

>Create people from thin air
>Reassembles himself after being disintegrated

There are dozens of DC characters who can do this.

Stop riding the Big Blue Cock.

>>91641994
>With Wonder Women just find some super weapon and just go faster then light stab her.
No, all you need is normal rope.

>>91656434
>Flash is a mostly street level guy that fights street level villains.
And yet the only big threats are other speedforce users.

>>91645791
>implying Zoom couldn't just steal Kryptonite from Lex or Batman and then kill Superman in under a second

>>91661256
that isn't canon anymore, he'd need to use her rope, which is easily doable

>>91661335
Thawne can control someone's age. He doesn't need Kryptonite.

>>91661053
No argument here, he's my favourite DC character! Just noting that he's done it but isn't even as fast as Eobard, so Thawne could almost certainly do it too.