Let's discuss truly reprehensible people in the comics industry.

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>"Bob had gotten to the point where he never drew anything. Never drew anything on the Batman comics, anyway. [Sheldon] Moldoff was ghosting them all and when he didn't, someone else did. The only thing I think Bob ever drew was when we'd be out somewhere, in a restaurant or someplace, and a pretty girl would come over to him and say, 'Are you really the man who draws Batman?' Then he could whip out a little sketch for her, a big sketch if she was wearing something low-cut and would bend over to watch him draw.

>One day I'm over at his house to discuss this newspaper strip idea we had and he's talking about who we might get to draw it. I was going to write it and we were going to get someone else to draw it. I'm not sure what Bob was going to do on it except sign his name. I said to him, 'Bob, isn't it disappointing to you that you don't draw any more? You were once such a great artist.' He wasn't but you had to talk to Bob that way.

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>>91590483

He said, 'Oh, no. Let me show you something.' >He took me into a little room in his house. It was his studio. I didn't even know he still had a studio. It was all set up with easels and things and there were paintings, paintings of clowns. You know the kind. Like the ones Red Skelton used to do. Just these insipid portraits of clowns, all signed very large, 'Bob Kane.' He was so proud of them. He said, 'These are the paintings that are going to make me in the world of art. Batman was a big deal in one world and these paintings will soon be in every gallery in the world.' He thought the Louvre was going to take down the Mona Lisa to put up his clown paintings. I didn't have the heart to tell him.

>So a few months later, I'm up at DC and I ran into Eddie Herron. Eddie was another writer up there and we got to talking and Bob's name came up. Eddie said, 'Did you hear? Bob's getting sued by one of his ghost artists.'

>I said, 'How is that possible? Shelly Moldoff's suing Bob? But they had a clear deal. Shelly knew he wasn't going to get credit or anything...'

>Eddie said, 'No, not Shelly.' Bob was being sued by the person who'd painted the clowns for him..."

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>>91590501

>>91589983
Stan fucking Lee.

How about Byrne?

>On the death of Steve Irwin, "The Crocodile Hunter"

>Okay, time for me to rain on this parade. I didn’t know he had kids. Young kids. This alters the mix considerably. This makes him an asshole. Cops and firemen, to name but two, place their lives on the line every day to protect others. There was nothing Steve Irwin was doing that he could not have done—as did, say, David Attenborough—without putting his life at risk. This takes this from tragedy to stupidity, and, worse, irresponsibility. [16]

>I am glad this asshole is dead. Sorry for his wife and kids, but relieved they are in no further danger from his lunacy!

>This guy should have been taken out of the croc pen, had his kids taken from him, and been thrown in the deepest, darkest, dankest pit the Australian judicial system has to offer. >Preferably after being skinned alive. Asshole is too good a word. (2006) [17]

>When a fan and forum member made the announcement in one of the message board threads that his mother had passed earlier in the day

>No. Sorry, but no. I fully appreciate how much “trouble” I will get into for this, but no. I cannot let this pass without comment. Using the only hours past death of your own mother to make a point about a comic book story? There are not sufficient words in the English language to properly express my disgust. (2008) [19]

>>91590589
Oh, and Byrne also said something along the lines of "He's not a hero, he's in hell" about Christopher Reeve's death but it's missing from Wikiquote for some reason. Still google-able though.

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>>91590483
>>91590501
God he was such a fucking wanker he makes Stan look professional.

>>91590658
>9/11:
"Operation Flaming Sword. Find them and kill them. And kill their wives, their children, their mothers, their fathers, their brothers, sisters, cousins, aunts, uncles, butchers, bakers, candlestick makers. Go Super-Israel, and let them know what it feels like to be “at war” with the United States.”
>Pedophilia:
“Pedophiles are almost certainly “born that way”. Again, we go to evolutionary conditioning. Seek the youngest, strongest, most healthy, for breeding purposes. A sure (or as sure as it gets) way to guarantee the survival of your genes. Pedophilia also brings along a big heaping helping of learned responses, however. In a society like ours, where “normal” sex is considered by many to be filthy and disgusting, “abnormal” sex is of course even moreso. “Abnormal” in this case meaning anything—even simple physical attraction—that is not “age-appropriate”, heterosexual, and strictly for procreation. Preferably missionary position. Thus, any confused individual who finds himself attracted to young girls is likely to find himself attracted to increasingly younger girls, as part of his pattern of self-loathing. So much emotional torment—in victims and victimizers—would surely be set aside if our society was sexually liberated enough to even be able to say 'Sure, it’s okay to be attracted to eleven year olds.'"
>Comics marketed toward mature audiences
“I repeat, bullshit. Pull your head out of your ass for a moment and look at this not as a long time comic book reader, but as a civilian. This looks like a comic book, feels like a comic book, smells like a comic book, tastes like a comic book. No “uninitiated” person is going to look at this and think “Ah! This lurid cover illustration indicates this book must be intended for mature readers!” They are going to think “Look what they are selling to my children!!”* And those children are going to think “Co-o-o-o-o-o-ol!!!”

>>91590756
>And lastly, on Reeves:
“I have noticed that people have begun referring to Christopher Reeve as a hero. I do not wish to take away one iota of the courage he must have needed not to wake up screaming every single day, but the hard truth is there was nothing heroic in what happened to him or how he dealt with it… In fact, as far as how he dealt with it he didn’t even have a choice. We could imagine he spent every hour of every day when not in front of the cameras begging family members to simply kill him and get it over with—but none of them did so he had no choice but to deal with each day as it came. Heroism I believe involves choice."

>>91590756
I don't know what he's even saying about pedophiles.

>>91590756
>>91590775
He also was one of the few creators in the 80's who spoke out AGAINST Kirby's demand for fair money and credit paid to past creators, stating that they should "live within the rules while they're around".

>>91590756
... Byrne needs to stop talking.

>>91590809
Considering his prior work, I'm pretty sure he's defending it, citing it as a natural and evolutionarily healthy practice unfairly persecuted by our sexually conservative society.

Or some shit like that, I'm just guessing, since he's just kind of spewing words out of his horrible mouth to try to justify being a kid diddler.

Again, Byrne needs to stop talking. Forever.

>>91590895
Explains why he so viciously shat on the New Gods every chance he got.

Does Rob Liefield & Todd Mcfarlane count?

>>91590756
>Find them and kill them. And kill their wives, their children, their mothers, their fathers, their brothers, sisters, cousins, aunts, uncles, butchers, bakers, candlestick makers. Go Super-Israel, and let them know what it feels like to be “at war” with the United States

why are nerds so vindictive

>>91591480

Too weak/scared to vent their anger properly, so have a lifetime of repressed nerdrage that causes them to be extra vicious, especially in matters where they don't have to do any of the dirty work.

>>91590756
How did such an asshole write such a good Superman origin?

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>>91591215
As far as I know, neither of them are particularly huge assholes. The both helped form Image which, while hardly a quality brand, was at least founded with the intention of allowing creators to own their work.

Macfarlane's gone the Jim Davis route, being more involved in business and managing his brand. Although like Davis he might have credited himself for art his employees do. Liefeld may be a shitty artist, but he at least gives off some "lovable idiot" vibes in interviews.

>>91590895
And he had Big Barda, who was based on Kirby's wife, get mind controlled into shooting porn with Superman as 'revenge'.

>>91591215
For all his artistic flaws, all I've heard about Liefield paints him as a nice guy who genuinely loves the medium.

>>91590483
>and a pretty girl would come over to him and say, 'Are you really the man who draws Batman?
Im calling bullshit.

>>91591215

I think Liefeld is the most over-hated guys in comics. The guy broke out when he was literally 16 years old and doodling in his high school text books, and even then he was more of a workhorse for Image than guys twice his age. He was a gigging artist who jumped at an opportunity any other artist would have stepped over their own brother to get, and he's really not any worse than any schlub artist the big 2 hire today. His art's not my thing, personally, but I really don't see why he seems to have attracted so much of a hate cult around him.

>>91591650
It's just "stop liking what I don't like," cranked up to 11.
I've read claims from dudes whomsay theu quit reading comics because of liefield. Comics readers are... Something.

>>91591650
He's responsible for many of the most ridiculed trends in 90's comics art.

Then again, why people don't just laugh about it, I don't know. I don't get why nerds take shit so serious.

>>91591801
They do?
No feet and POUCHES are pretty much memes by now.

>>91591801
I fucking love 90s art unironically, though. Sure it's silly, but I don't buy a comic to be bored by it, I buy it to be entertained. I like having fun, and 90s comics art are fun.

>>91591840
Yeah, they are now.

I'm talking about at the time. Think about how much vitriol the bad decisions of today create.

I just have to say 'Ironheart is an OK character concept' and people get angry.

>>91591892
i love the ott character designs from but liefeld lacks a lot of technical skill

>>91590809
Protip: Byrne is a pedophile. Not saying he's acted on it but he totally has the attraction.

>>91590756
That last point is true though.

>>91591215
McFarlane is a shitty writer and a bit of a doofus (though a good artist when he tries), but I've never heard anything negative said about the man himself.

Now, Liefeld on the other hand...

>>91591547
>>91591563
>>91591650
You will nothing but sweet, pleasant stories stemming from interviews and fan interactions, but every person he's ever cultivated a professional relationship with seems to hate his guts (except Kirkman for some reason). The entire industry is rife with stories of him being a lazy prima-donna who traces regularly and turns in everything at least a month late, to say nothing of actually running multiple creators out of their companies because he didn't like how they treated his characters (he got Simone kicked out of Marvel for her pre-meme Deadpool run and Agent X) and childish temper tantrums whenever editorial didn't side with him (threw what can only be described as a shitfit when Shatterstar turned bisexual; like it or not, he adressed the issue with grace of a 7-year-old).

>>91591547
>good

>>91590556
Scumbag or not, he has offered to comics more than most people, and without him the comic book industry would be decades ago.

>>91591892
>bad art, shallow characters, and barely existent storylines are "fun"
That explains a lot about this board.

>>91593593
>bad art, shallow characters, and barely existent storylines
Are you talking about stuff like America, Hellcat, Squirrel Girl, etc or 90s Marvel?
Not defending 90s Marvel by the way.

Al Capp was a rapist/made rape attempts.

>>91593647
I was referring more to the word "fun" itself. 'Fun' is a word that doesn't mean anything anymore, because it's all too often used as a means to deflect criticism. Nobody is actually capable of explaining WHY they like something, opting instead to just blurt out "It's FUN!" as if that's all that's needed. Sorry, but I refuse to turn my brain off and just accept garbage for what it is, so as far as I'm concerned, anyone who still uses the word 'fun' is a drooling retard with no standards.

>>91593727
Li'l Abner use to be one of the most well known news paper strip.

Now a days at best people recognize the Shmoo.

>>91590756
Do you think he's still mad about 9/11? Do you think you can trigger him by saying they deserved it?

>>91593794
>if you can't properly articulate why you enjoy something AND defend its merits against criticism, you are literally mentally retarded
Not to defend Mr. 90's, but are you serious with this shit?

>>91594444
Abso-fucking-lutely. You should be able to say why you like something, because it's really not that hard. It is your opinion after all. If you don't know the specific reasons you like a thing, then you're most likely a total fucking idiot.

>>91594572
What if something is dumb garbage that is good because it's dumb garbage? cough Evil Dead 2 cough.

>>91594935
Irrelevant. What specifically about Evil Dead 2 makes it so bad it's good? What charm is present that made you like it despite finding it lacking in the traditional definition of quality? This is basic shit that only requires a moment's thought, but nobody can fucking do that anymore, and it fucking sucks because it leaves me bored as hell when nobody can offer and stimulating conversation, opting instead to just slap on some nebulous label of "It's fun!".

WHAT MAKES IT FUN, GODDAMMIT?

>>91590589

Fuck you, Byrne. Steve is twice the man you ever were.

>>91595177
That it's made by a creator who never get evolved since his amateur days and fancies himself a horror fan yet is incapable fo creating anything resembling horror. He devolved into """"comedy"""" to hide his misfortunes as a creator. It's a trainwreck and failure as both comedy and a horror movie that making fun of how terrible every single aspect of it is makes it entertaining.

>>91590756
>>91590809
>>91592023
Was that thing about Byrne writing about a 12 year old girl being put under some sort of machine to check if she's pregnant real?

>>91593794
Fuck off, cranky.

>>91595293
See? That wasn't so hard, now was it?

>>91595352
>machine
... As opposed to a pregnancy test you could probably pick up at Walgreens?

>>91595454
It was done by aliens and it was this bigass machine that was attached to her groin. I'm pretty sure I saw it somewhere on /co/ in the past.

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>>91595506

>>91595529
Yeah, that was it. Byrne should burn in hell.

>>91592271
>McFarlane is a shitty writer and a bit of a doofus (though a good artist when he tries), but I've never heard anything negative said about the man himself.
How about the hypocritical bullshit he pulled with Gaiman over Angela?

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This motherfucker right here.
>traced and sold art as his for years at cons
>claimed to have worked with industry legends
>claimed he worked with Dwayne McDuffie after he died while trying to sell McDuffie art as his own

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>Marv Wolfman's self-insert that married Wonder Girl

>>91595636
Steven Seagal of comics?

Isn't there a Stolen Valour guy who wrote war comics?

>>91595661
That's just annoying and pathetic, not morally wrong.

>>91595529
>pregnant at twelve years, old
Is that even physically possible?

>>91595967
If they start ovulating early, yes.

>>91590895
sauce?

>>91595352
There are way too many examples of Byrne being weird towards young women (usually drawn younger than teenagers). Off the top of my head, there is the Sue and Richard scene from Fantastic Four, Clarke and young Lana in Superman, and a mentally time displaced Robotman and Elastagirl (I think, I've purged most of Byrne's Doom Patrol from my mind)

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>>91590501
>Bob was being sued by the person who'd painted the clowns for him..."

>>91595967

Lina Medina.

>>91589983
How come no one is talking about OP's pic?

>>91591629
leave underage, back before tv was huge and shit comics were a big deal. ESPECIALLY Batman.

Kate Leth.

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>>91596742
You mean master artist and industry legend Michiyamenotehi Funana?

>>91595177
>Expecting logic in people's interest

Go outside, kid.

>>91590775
It's not nice to say but I can't say I disagree.
Shitty accident, shitty life, shitty death.

>>91595636
>McDuffie art

>>91590775
>We could imagine he spent every hour of every day when not in front of the cameras begging family members to simply kill him and get it over with
We could if we were posting on /b/ and not giving an interview meant to be printed.

Reeve's medical care was largely paid for by his old Juillard roommate, some guy named Robin Williams who never went public about it.

>>91603246
We lost a truly good man when he killed himself.

>>91590501
>'No, not Shelly.' Bob was being sued by the person who'd painted the clowns for him..."
Wow, how much of a shitter you gotta be?

>>91595967
As soon as ovulation starts, but it's dangerous because it can lead to congenital complications.

>>91593727

There are insane stories about Julie Swartz sexually assulting women.

Capp was also crazy right wing

WTF no mention of Barry Blair yet? Or how Chris Claremont would hire hookers to dress up as Storm and beat him with their hair?

Bunch of young mooks here.

Rob Liefield is the Bob Kane of Deadpool.

Gerard Jones got arrested on child porn charges.

>>91605034
I'll give you Barry Blair but how do Claremont's fetishes make him a shitbag by OP's criteria?

>>91595967

Girls have gotten pregnant younger than 8 years of age.

For your sake, don't Google it.

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the most evil man in comics

>>91590556
Explain why without using memes or just saying he's terrible. I'm guessing you can't, you're just parroting what you've heard.

>>91591480
If you think "nerds" were the only people talking like this post-9/11 you must be 10 years old. The Bush years were all about this kind of revenge talk.

>>91592271
>You will nothing but sweet, pleasant stories stemming from interviews and fan interactions, but every person he's ever cultivated a professional relationship with seems to hate his guts (except Kirkman for some reason).

Exactly. Liefeld is a snake who will smile at you while stabbing you in the back. Anyone wondering about this should read about how and why he left Image Comics in the 90s.

Or hell, even how and why he left Marvel.

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Most people he's worked with won't do it again. Like the guys that drew 1963

>>91605330
There's an anon here who thinks he is innocent and that the entire thing is a conspiracy againsy Jones

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This piece of shit over at Dark Horse. A known serial sexual harasser and sexual assaulter, alcoholic, and a real jerk on top of it. Protected from repercussion because of his relationship with guys like Mike Mignola and, irony or ironies, 'male feminist' Greg Rucka.

I guess because he only sexually assaults men its no big deal.

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I'm convinced the only reason Ken Penders isn't John Byrne levels of infamous for his stupidity is because his work is super niche and only read by Sonic fans.

Even then, at least Byrne made one or two good things in his professional career

Wasn't there a DC Artist who TOTALLY went to jail for murdering someone? I don't think it's Mike Grell, but maybe someone similarly named?

>>91595635
how was it Hypocritical in the least? are you sighting the LIE SFdebris told about him writing the comic that was in fact written by the Cerebus guy?

Todd McSpawn "definitely totally" buying the rights to Miracleman & then refuses to show anyone any receipts, just saying he'll sue anyone who tries otherwise & ruining anyone's ability to reprint or enjoy them until barely a couple years ago.

>>91605034
>Chris Claremont would hire hookers to dress up as Storm and beat him with their hair?
source?

>>91605034
How could you possibly prove this other than w/ a video or an open admittance? This sounds like complete bullshit.

>>91606968
>Like the guys that drew 1963

Just Steve Bissette. 1963 had pencils by Rick Veitch Steve Bissette. Veitch went on to join Moore's America's Best Comics, but there was some kind of falling out with Bissette:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1963_(comics)#Incomplete_status

Moore has a number of long and fruitful collaborations with other creators. You're going to need to show some evidence if you're claiming most people he's worked with won't do it again.

Moore fanboys are the worst. They'll defend their cuck no matter what. He fucked over Bissette and many others. There's also his weird obesssion with Grant Morrison

>>91608049
>asks for sources
>CUUUUUUUCK

Okay then.

>>91607313
How is it not? The whole point of Image was creator control over their creations and he immediately tried to dick Gaiman out of a character he created that Todd had nothing to do with. What the fuck does Dave Sim have to do with anything?

>>91595636
I'd totally buy that Batman painting regardless, it looks awesome.
>>91595661
Came here to mention him, for the most part, Wolfman does great stuff, but he somehow thought it his duty to wed and impregnate Diana Troy.
This is what happens when you use a Fiction Suit for evil.

>>91590501
Now THATs a goddamn twist.

Apparently Paul Pope is a huge sleazeball

>>91605034
The story was he would have them peg him while dressed as Storm and it was also a rumor started on some old forum

>>91608303
I'm pretty sure they were fisting him.

>>91594572
You're probably the type of guy who gets stuck in the "friend zone" and demands reasons why when the chick says she's just not into you.

>>91594935
Tommy Wiseau's The Room.

>>91608159
>Designed Angela
>Had "Nothing to do" with her

>>91608375
pretty sure this is made up & you could just say anything.

>>91608471
>Didn't create the character
>It's owned by someone else
>Thinks he can do whatever he wants with it against the author's will
This is exactly what he always bitched about with Marvel and he did the same shit the minute he got the chance.

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>>91595636
I kinda do this, but I turn the drawings into something else, and don't sell my art. The picture was originally Hulk and Wolverine.

>>91605034
>>91605543
What was the deal with Blair?

>>91608613
That's actually pretty neat. You should post side by sides.

>>91608772
I don't like to copy too much though so the pictures I used for Hulk and Logan were separate drawings, I just traced them together to make it look like they were fighting.

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>>91608613
>>91608772
>>91608968
Here's another one I did of supernatural characters.

>>91609010
thats awesome dude

>>91608049
t. morrison fanboy

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>>91609234
Thanks. It's not all traced though, this one is all me.

>>91609010
>>91609367
>>91608613
Nice, anon.

>>91607087
Well, Jones is pleading innocent at least.

>>91590809
>I don't know what he's even saying about pedophiles.

That it's not a crime to be that way, as long as you don't act on it.

>>91609390
I kinda based Harley off of Julia Louis Dreyfus. I was watching Seinfeld at the time. Also I decided to make Ivy less attractive because I always felt that it would better accentuate her ability to make people fall in love with her.

I know that Ales Kot is so far up his own ass that he can't see how shit his writing is, but didn't he try to fuck over Nathan Edmonson a few years ago over some cultural appropriation bullshit with Red Wolf and nobody took it seriously for a fucking second?

>>91608282
Are you referring to that anonymous open letter posted on tumblr accusing Pope of being an alcoholic who tries to kiss people when he's drunk?

>>91596138
Jesus Christ, I forgot these were all written by the same guy. Now it all comes together.

>>91595967
>Is that even physically possible?

Being able to get pregnant is not something magically tied to a certain age threshold.

If they bleed, they can breed.

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>>91605543
Claremont is as bad as Byrne as far as fetishes go, he just doesn't talk about it in a way that can be taken out of context to make him look like an asshole.

>>91609718
If only that female friendship became more than a friendship in this day of age of progressivism.

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>>91612348
Sorry anon, we can't have a lesbo as the face of our company.

>>91591542
He didn't. His Man of Steel mini didn't get good until issue 2.

>>91590483
>>91590501
The true definition of white nigger.

>no mention of Frank Miller
>Wolfman of all people is mentioned

Jesus christ.

>>91606968
>Most people he's worked with won't do it again.
Not true at all. Other than Alan Davis almost any artist he's worked with would do it again,.

>>91607232
His Solomon Kane was top tier though.

>>91608049
You mean Morrison's weird obsession with him. And he doesn't owe Bissette a fucking thing. His money problems are his own fault.

>>91608471
Courts disagreed cuckboy.

>>91607087
This is the dumbest shit. Why would there be a conspiracy to frame an obscure comic book writer? He wrote some good stuff but no one gives a shit about him at this point.

>>91591215
Tell me about McFarlane?

>>91612560
Other than write terrible comics Frank never did anything wrong.

>>91591547
That's adorable.

>>91591650
>The guy broke out when he was literally 16 years old

What the fuck? I thought he didn't break into the industry until he was 19-21. I'm 18 and this is depressing.

>>91609633
That's... not true at all. A woman has to be capable of ovulating, which usually first starts occurring as a result of puberty. Do you not understand how human procreation works?

World record is 5 years, though, so it can happen pretty early.

>>91612868
Jim Shooter was writing for DC with Legion of Superheroes at 14

Why haven't you been published yet anon?

>>91609581
He was saying since Edmonson is the rare comic book conservative he would not handle Red Wolf well at all, he probably had a pitch about Red Wolf himself but Marvel declined, I imagine it involved Red Wolf taking Peyote to go to another universe.

>>91591215
There's gotta be a reason Todd gets sued every 2 years

>>91591215
Liefield is really butt hurt about Shatterstar being gay and anybody else but him writing Deadpool.

He called Dugan at the start of his run a talentless d lister.

>>91595636
The one objectiveky good thing Rich ever did was run his ass down.

>>91589983
Brian Wood and Rich the Leech ran a woman out of the industry because she would sleep with Brian.


Didn't Didio fuck somebody's wife?

>>91589983
I still don't know who Pat Lee is. I thought he was just a Shottpacked! character who draws transformers comics

>>91591563
>Big Barda, who was based on Kirby's wife
that's a funny way of spelling Lainie Kazan

>>91609718
> this is Bruce Timm's actual art style, he's been imitating mens' magazine artists for decades

>>91608049
>>91612706
Moore and Morrison both have an unhealthy obsession with one another. I like both of them, but they've both said some ridiculous bullshit about one another.

I did like it when Morrison defended Johns against some hypocritical shit Moore said during an interview. Too bad Morrison ended up saying some stupid shit in the same interview.

>>91612753
I think it's because of two reasons. One is that the way he got caught makes him seem like a total fucking idiot (uploading child porn to fucking YouTube), and two is that Jones himself is pleading innocent even though it seems like there's some pretty good evidence against him.

I still think that he's guilty though.

>>91613348
Didn't Shooter lie about his age though? Probably helped that he's ten feet tall.

>>91613740
>uploading child porn to fucking YouTube
Gives a whole new meaning to The Trouble With Girls

>>91613631
Long story short, he's a hack who created multiple comic companies and knowingly ran all of them into the ground, all while billing himself as a "superstar artist" by taking credit for other people's work. Somehow he had the Transformers license for quite a while (this was before IDW got it) and, despite claiming to be a huge fan and even referring to himself as "The Transman" (yes, really) clearly knew nothing about the franchise. In the end, he squeezed work out of dozens of industry professionals and, instead of paying them, lied to their faces long enough to take the money and run. Twice.

He also helped kill Megaman.

From what I understand, he was last seen fleeing to Hong Kong with his model girlfriend under the guise of a film producer.

>>91613717
>Moore and Morrison both have an unhealthy obsession with one another.
That's not really true. After Morrison started shit talking him in fanzines in the 80's Moore responded by just ignoring him for decades and when asked about him in interviews always said he wasn't familiar with his work and left it at that.

>>91613867
>He also helped kill Megaman.
That was a fucking mercy killing for that piece of shit comic

Why the fuck is the cartoon taking inspiration from it?

>>91595529

I mean ignore everything else and look at the fucking illustration. As an artist there are so many ways one can convey, "Hey, a shadowy government agency has become so morally fucked up that they find no issue with impregnating a 12-year old girl with a super-fetus and allowing her to deliver it. You could make it tasteful, sad and haunting, horrifying, mournful...

And Byrne choose to draw Japanese porn of a little girl with her legs spread wide open and while an old man manipulates her junk. This guy is fucked up beyond belief. The FBI needs to get a warrant and search his hard drive.

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>>91590501
>>91596141
>>91603451
>>91608216
>>91612546

It's not JUST the fact that the person who painted the clowns is suing him.
It's that the ghost artist is FAMOUS as fuck. Google the artist's name in the clown painting from >>91590501
>Red Skelton

>>91590501
What the fuck.

>>91607311
The one that murdered someone and then drew it into some book and the cops found him?

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>>91607232
That hair is creepy as fuck

>>91609581
He was trying to link Edmondson to some credit card fraud case some other guy named Nathan Edmondson did. At one point he went and edited Edmondson's wiki article to add that, which got removed by the editors since it had no sources or anything, and they basically wrote "Kot, fuck off", and he replied with "nah it's legit also I'm not Kot".

Then he got one of the writers from one of the cucked sites like CA or Outhousers to do an article on it, but it was basically
>Edmondson did something bad but we're not gonna say what it is at all it's just bad please believe us

>>91606968
As far as I know, Alan Davis is pissed at Moore over Captain Britain rights. But I don't know the whole story.

I've also heard there was some strain in his relationship with Dave Gibbons over the watchmen movie rights. His refusal to endorse it meant that the studios tried to punish him through friends and collaborators. But I'm unsure of the details.

>>91606968
The hate some people on this board have for one of the greatest minds to ever touch the medium is frankly embarrassing.

>>91612868
Liefeld was literally a teenager.
Why the editors at Marvel would hire a kid that quite obviously still needed a couple of years more at art-school is beyond me.

But it was the late 80's early 90's an era of very bad decisions.

>>91606968
The only thing he loves more than writing is burning bridges. I know he won't talk to Gibbons again after he told Moore to quit being so angry over Before Watchmen. And the only comic company he's willing to work with nowadays is Avatar. He's a good writer, but he lets "Muh creator rights" get in the way of so many interesting projects, especially when other writers obsessed with creator rights can work with the Big Two without any complaints.

>>91613868
>Moore responded by just ignoring him for decades and when asked about him in interviews always said he wasn't familiar with his work and left it at that.

Not really true. I used to think that. Moore did take shots at Morrison indirectly (case in point: interview in Kimota where the interviewer brought up Morrison in a list of British writers, Moore didn't refer to Morrison by name but he did take a jab at him that I didn't notice until I read a Morrison interview from TCJ that put it into context), and to his credit, Moore does try to avoid talking about him (at least, up until the 2010s when the situation hit the boiling point) but he didn't really ignore him for decades.

>>91613717
I'm pretty convinced that Grant Morrison and Alan Moore are actually just a complex modern art piece being played out over the decades by Alan Grant.

I MEAN, HAS ANYONE EVER SEEN THEM IN THE SAME ROOM TOGETHER!?

>>91615135
No, they're anti-matter versions of each other and can't meet or the universe will explode like that one episode of TOS Star Trek.

>>91615167
nah, man, I am telling you. It's been Alan Grant the whole time.

I just pretend that the Alan Moore right now is just a crazy old man who took his name, and the real Alan Moore is actually Warren Ellis.

>>91614866
You can dislike a person and still think their work is good you fucking idiot.

>>91612868
why? he won the lottery, stuff happens.

>>91615334
I love Alan Moore's books (even his recent work like Jerusalem), but he is a very whiny old man who's too stubborn to let go of decades-old grudges.

>>91591650
Most of the "hate" revolves around how ridiculously bad his work is. Though it angers aspiring artists to no end that this talentless hack is such a well-known pillar of the comic industry, but for most people it's more of a source of humor than it is of hate.

>>91593359
No, it's because of him that the medium stagnated for 20 fucking years. His model influenced other writers in wrong ways.

>>91615210
So.. Alan Moore became a hack?

It's not just that Morrison was shit-talking Moore (ostensibly as part of some Oedipal 'kill-your-idols' self-promotional ploy) -- it's that Morrison did this after Moore had once given Morrison some positive encouragement relatively early on in Morrison's career -- and then recommended him to Karen Berger as a possible writer to DC, when Moore was in the process of leaving the company.

Not only did Moore's recommendation and departure help Morrison's career -- the fact that Moore never returned to DC (until the Wildstorm sale) only helped Morrsion's career.
The foundation that Moore (and Totleben, Veitch, Bissette, et. al.) laid that ultimately led to the forming Vertigo clearly made Morrison's, Gaiman's, and others' successful comics careers in the U.S. possible.

The basic ingratitude of Morrison, trying to gin up some publicity feud with Moore for his own ends, I could easily see as being pretty irritating.

For decades Moore only rarely and dismissively acknowledged Morrison in interviews -- but in a long interview done within the last couple of years, in response to many years of being asked about it, Moore did finally speak in great detail about his side of it: it was a bit of a dam burst, in which he not only spoke about the shit-talking, but about Morrison also being a borderline serial plagiarist of Moore's own work. (At least a kind of creative stalker -- Moore listed a number of his own projects that, soon on the heels of their public announcement, would be 'coincidentally' followed by some similar project by Morrison. (Since Morrison had, in an article or interview, previously implied that Moore had stolen various ideas from the novel 'Superfolks' in his approach to superhero comics, this makes him even more of a hypocrite.)

Moore's opinions about Morrison were part of a long interview (on various topics), sort of a dam burst after decades of silence, and Moore didn't seem to hold much back (and was quite funny, too, in talking about it).
Morrison fanboys chalk this up to some 'obsession' or 'long-running feud' when it was simply Moore finally going public -- and specific -- about why he didn't like the guy.

The falling-out with Gibbons, according to Moore, was due to Gibbons, after decades of their friendship, serving as a sort of semi-witting go-between from DC, trying to get Moore to make some deal for Watchmen-related ancillary product. There was a plan to publish the pirate comic-within-the-comic as a separate book: Moore thought it was a stupid idea, but he wasn't going to say anything bad about it publicly. However, Gibbons kept talking to him about Watchmen deals, and Moore started to get creeped out by it, finally putting his foot down with Gibbons, telling him that for the sake of their friendship, not to bring up Watchmen ever again.Gibbons brought it up again.

I forget the exact details, but Moore's friend and mentor Steve Moore (no relation) had been contracted to write the prose novelization of Watchmen (and really needed the money from the gig) but then lost the job due, from Moore's point-of-view, to retaliation from DC for Moore's lack of support for some of their ongoing plans for Watchmen.

Gibbons also never thanked (with even so much as a phone call) Moore for the large amounts of money he got as a result of Moore refusing to have his name on the Watchmen film, and ceding all movie money to Gibbons. Gibbons had even seen Moore at Moore's wedding and never said a word about it.
That Gibbons could be so 'conscientious' when it came to wheedling his friend on DC's behalf but not when it came to the many thousands of dollars his friend actually made him, was, for Moore, the last straw.
To me, that seems entirely reasonable from Moore's point of view.

Of all the 'temperamental acts' that Moore's detractors use as evidence of his alleged 'craziness' or 'senility' or just plain 'assholery', his spiking of the recent reprint of 1963 seems to be the only one that might have a bit of merit.

The negotiations had apparently been quite far along, with special provisos carefully worked out that Moore and Bissette have no interactions, when Moore suddenly withdrew, supposedly due to something connected to Bissette.

The fact that Moore's decision affected all the other people who had worked on 1963, who had nothing to do with the end of his friendship with Bissette, and who might be helped by the reprints, is the only thing in all the Moore shit-talking that might have some merit. (It's similar to the circumstances of Moore's falling out with Alan Davis -- Moore standing up for his own principle potentially affected an innocent person's career.
(Moore's willingness to go against his own principles and continue the ABC line once Wildstorm was bought by DC, in the interest of keeping the artists and other ABC staff employed shows that he hasn't always been like this.)

>>91612348
or maybe women can be friends without fucking.

>>91612753
I'm not the anon with the frame-up theory, but Jones is also a comics historian/journalist, and in at least one of his books, explored the corruption throughout the history of the comics industry, including mob ties (as comics publishing was inevitably tied to the mob-run newsstand industry). Someone may have held a grudge or he possibly uncovered something someone didn't want public in something newer he was working on.
Again, I have no evidence either way: it's just to say he wasn't only an obscure comic book writer.

Mentioned somewhere above, but there was a DC artist who murdered his pregnant girlfriend.
I can't think of the guy's name: he drew some 1980s 4 issue miniseries revival of a golden age Shadow/Spirit clone (the kind of thing Roy Thomas might have written). I remember an ad featuring the guy with a mask and fedora driving a car and holding a gun.

Anyway: as far as 'truly reprehensible' goes:
THAT guy.

>>91616112
Took me 5 minutes but his name was Greg Brooks, he did the Crimson Avenger mini with Roy Thomas. His wiki article is like two lines. Last one about the murder.

>>91615952
>>91616112


>With thanks to my pal Bob Greenberger, who helped jostle my memory, here's the story: An artist named Greg Brooks, who did some work for DC back in the late '80s (including the CRIMSON AVENGER miniseries in 1988) lived on Staten Island with his wife and baby. His wife, Elizabeth Kessler, did some work for DC as well, coloring a couple of jobs (a story in DOOM PATROL #9 - the 80s version of the title - was one).

>Elizabeth went missing and her body was eventually found by police at a construction site about a mile from their home. She had been beaten to death with a hammer and dumped there.

>It turned out that Brooks and Kessler had been having problems in their relationship and she took up with another man. At one point, she returned for her things, got into an argument with Brooks, and while the baby was in the room, she bragged about what a better lover the new guy was. Enraged, he grabbed the hammer and struck her dead. Her body was dumped in the bathtub over night and at the crack of dawn, he wheeled her in a grocery cart to the construction site.

>Brooks was charged and convicted of her murder and went to prison.

>Turned out that was not then end of the story. Elizabeth Kessler was not really Elizabeth Kessler. She had "appropriated" the identity of her college roommate when she moved east from Kansas. And back home, she had another child who was being taken care of by her mother. Eventually, her mother ended up with custody of both children.

>Bob Greenberger reports that he got a letter from Brooks while he was still in prison. He had been working on his art while incarcerated and Joe Rubinstein was helping him out by mail. Brooks was released from prison about two years ago, got a job as a bicycle messenger, and even made an appointment to bring his portfolio up to Bob to review. "He never showed up," says Bob, "and I haven't heard from him since."

>And THAT is the story of the comic book murderer.

>>91591215
https://youtu.be/WaJhpqAWjuE

>>91595967
It was extremely common pre-Rennaissance

>>91607240
please tell

>>91608531
>Didn't create the character
but he did.

>>91618684
Then why did the court give full ownership to Gaiman?

>>91592271
It needs to be added that he tried to basically rob Jack Kirby's widow.

>>91617717
I would give you the long story, but I do not have the time. Just imagine Dan Slott crossed with Bendis, Chuck Austen, and modern Marvel at its worst, with an ego that surpasses all of them combined, with a dash of faux-progressivism and a belief that you're somehow "The savior of the sonic franchise" despite every single fan hating your fucking guts

>>91616606
Only in the Aristocracy.

>Bob Kane was a scumbag
>marvelfags agree
>Stan Lee is a scumbag
>marvelfags get triggered
It's great not to be a marvelfag.

>>91619220
To be fair I've never seen a DCfag defend Bob Kane. With Stan Lee you can make legitimate arguments and acknowledgements. He was at least very involved with the creation of most of his characters. Hell Christopher Priest one of the most outspoken creators ever has said nice things about working with Stan Lee. Not saying the man was perfect he was not but he was at worst middle of the sleazy totem pole.

>>91619366
>>91619220
What has Stan Lee done? Genuinely asking

>>91619220
Stan Lee was an undeniably great PR guy

>>91619382
Stan's method of writing each issue was to come up with a plot summary, let the artist figure out everything else, and then Stan would fill in all the dialogue.

For some reason, that bugs people, like only doing dialogue isn't really writing even though it's arguably the hardest part.

>>91619408
Did the artists have a problem with it? I assume there were some that probably enjoyed being given creative berth and some that preferred a rigid structure to work from

>>91614981
>I know he won't talk to Gibbons again after he told Moore to quit being so angry over Before Watchmen
Source? Not saying I don't believe you, just that I did not hear that one before.

>>91619382

what anon said here>>91619408 is the big sticking point but also many feel he took too much credit for what the artist did or the story. Still people forget that Stan Lee was one of the first people to credit the artist and the reason we call Jack Kirby the king was because that was the nickname Lee gave him.

>>91619382
He basically had (and still has) the company by the balls: he can easily make a claim to owning all the Marvel characters he created, and he would probably win. As such, he gets paid a king's ransom every year.

Despite this, he has never lent his influence to the cause of creator rights or helped his "pals" when they faced financial difficulty. Even now, redistributing not even 1/10th of his yearly hush money would allow Marvel writers and artists to actually have stable incomes, with more than enough cash to spare to properly cover royalties. Add to this his constant campaigning as a writer and creator when he was more of an editor (and only a half decent one at that) and you have a guy who's kind of a cunt.

>>91619448
It depends look up Jack Kirby to hear the worst but than you have John Romita who rose to prominence within the company, some of the better artists at the time went into other prospects like illustration but other had fine careers and lasted for a long time. Like I said some got the shaft but it was not epidemic.

>>91616533
>Today, on the Days of Our Lives

>>91619366
Stan Lee is a piece of shit. While Paul Levitz fought to put the creator's names on the cover of the issues, Stan Lee still had his name plastered on EVERY.SINGLE. marvel comic well into the 00s. And yes, his name was bigger and positioned in such a way that it would immediately grab the reader's attention, more so than the people involved in making said issues. He's a snake.

>>91619408
>even though it's arguably the hardest part
In cape comics? where 90s of the writers don't bother to give characters a voice and makes everyone sound similar, aside from time to time where he'd throw in a few cheesy shit like have an irish character say ye instead of you. Not to mention that he popularized the retarded idea that a writer needs to explain through word to the reader what is happening on the page.

>>91594572
Joy isn't a rational emotion, anon. Most of the time, you just like something because you like it.

>>91619680
It was good for kid focused books like Spider-Man (or would be if Ditko wasn't spectacular at conveying motion) and FF, but even on those titles he REALLY overdid it. Not to mention his "corrections" were often terrible (shit like saying a character who clearly got their ass kicked is making a strategic retreat).

>>91595177
>WHAT MAKES IT FUN, GODDAMMIT?

I don't know, watch it for yourself and find out.

>>91620014
>It was good for kid focused books
No, it really fucking wasn't.

>>91620065
Most of the stories in Lee's FF would take two issues without a lot of talking. Like I said, he went too far, but there's nothing wrong with a dialogue heavy book.

You want an example of it not working, read Lee's X-Men.

>>91619995
Joy is perfectly rational. You're just too stupid and/or lazy to articulate the source of your happiness.

>>91620043
Oh go fuck yourself. Every time I tell someone to do that, I get told I'm being a big ol' meanie. Fucking pick one, you hypocritical sack of garbage.

>>91620274
>You're just too stupid and/or lazy to articulate the source of your happiness.

Or maybe I just know that overthinking joy is a good way to kill it.

Why are you so angry, anon?

>>91620201
>but there's nothing wrong with a dialogue heavy book.
Of course not, if the writer has a literary background or is well read then he can write hordes or monolouges and dialogue with no problem but most cape comics writers are bad wordsmiths, Lee especially.

>>91620274
>Joy is perfectly rational. You're just too stupid and/or lazy to articulate the source of your happiness.
peak autism

>>91620274
Does social security know you're not taking your meds?

>>91595967
There's a wiki page that I'm afraid to look up, but the youngest girl to be pregnant was 4, and it was by her grandfather... who they left her with only for it to happen again.

>>91605034
>Chris Claremont would hire hookers to dress up as Storm and beat him with their hair
Hell that makes me like him more

>>91595177
>Irrelevant. What specifically about Evil Dead 2 makes it so bad it's good?
An entertaining divide between jokes and horror and Bruce Campbell's charisma. And some really amazing make up and prop work.

Of all the Evil Dead movies, I like the original best, because it's so fucked up.

>>91620309
I'm angry because of the rampant anti-intellectualism on this site and on the internet at large. All this "You just gotta let yourself feeeeel, maaaan~" hippie shit is fucking sickening. Analyzing your own feelings does not diminish them, and if they do, you likely didn't feel that strongly about it in the first place.

It's especially ridiculous since so many people here defend works that favor abstract themes over the nuts and bolts of storytelling. You insist that stories must have a deeper meaning, yet you find the idea of pondering the specifics of your own emotions abhorrent? Fuck right off.

>>91620341
Yeah, mostly. Lee's problem was mostly quantity, not quality. Cut out half the dialogue and it's honestly really good. Same applies to most Spider-Man comics before the JMS era, really, as Peter's own wordiness was often poorly demonstrated due to almost everyone else speaking nearly as much.

>>91592271
>hrew what can only be described as a shitfit when Shatterstar turned bisexual;
He did some grumbling on twitter about them missing the point of Shatterstar being aesexual, followed up with "Not that there's anything wrong with being gay." posts.

>>91620814
You wouldn't happen to be from /wooo/, would you?

>>91620814
Because you're basically saying that you believe people not otherthinking b-movie entertainment like Evil Dead 2 is a sign of anti-intellectualism, that that's what makes you angry. I don't know, I think that the intellect is better saved for more pressing topics.

>>91614181
Reread the post, m8

>>91616533
>6533▶>>91619526
>>>91615952 (You)
Holy Shit, thanks! Even worse/weirder than I'd remembered it! Thanks so much for going to the trouble of finding it! (I'd tried to search, but failed misrably)

>>91590809
Given his writings, he's a pedophile who is saying that being a pedophile is okay as long as you don't act on it.

>>91613867
According to the tfwiki his model gf dumped him.

>>91617717
Other anon doesn't have the time, but I'm at work so I got plenty.

Penders is a mildly autistic man-child very similar to Chris-Chan. Unlike most like him, Penders got hired by Archie to write for the Sonic comic they had running. Archie was looking to make a quick buck off of a videogame license in the early 90's, so they just threw the job of lead writer at him, and hired a few more random writers and artists to get the job done on a regular basis.

Penders doesn't work well with others. Many plotlines and stories other writers attempted to do were shut down or retconned by Penders if they didn't fit his view for what the Sonic comic should be. His view was a bunch of stories stolen from Star Trek TNG, with some random BS "chosen one" themes thrown in with Knuckles, so he could push out his stable of over 200 slightly modified Knuckles totally original OC DONUT STEEL's. From the comic's beginning, up until about issue 150 or so, Penders had full control over the comic. The plotlines were hamfisted at best, and nonsensical at worst. He frequently stole concepts and even complete plotlines from other forms of media, and typically thought his theft of ideas made him a deep thinker. He gave us such infamous plotlines as TURBO TAILS, Sonic and Company BACK TO SCHOOL!, and 30 Years Later, all of which manage to be bland, awkward, and incoherent.

One day he decided to have Sonic crying on the cover over some BS. SEGA saw this and flipped shit. They stepped in and told Archie to get their shit together and stop making Sonic look like a pussy. Penders got buttflustered he didn't have complete creative control over someone else's IP, and proceeded to sue SEGA over stealing "his" ideas for their Dark Brotherhood videogame. Archie decided they didn't want to deal with Penders bullshit anymore, so they kicked him off the book and put Ian Flynn in his place. To Be Continued:

>>91621557
Naturally, Penders didn't have a leg to stand on, so the lawsuit fell through.

Penders was surprised that Archie wasn't sucking his dick for being "the driving force behind Sonic", and was so outraged over being fired that he hired a lawyer to sue Archie for using his slightly modified Knuckles OC DONUT STEEL's. This would have meant nothing, if it wasn't for the fact Archie didn't properly keep records of their contracts. Without the work-for-hire contract Penders signed in hand, the judge ruled that Purple Knuckles, Rasta Knuckles, and all the other recolors and variants Penders created were owned by Penders. As such, Archie can't reprint old issues of Sonic without Penders permission. And since these recolors and OC DONUT STEEL's are all Penders has left, he wants to charge Archie far more than what they can afford to reprint the old issues.

SEGA stepped in and said "If we have ANY more problems with this comic, we are pulling the license." So rather than fight with Penders over it, they just said "Fine, you win. Enjoy your shit characters", and reboot the comic throwing all the continuity into the trash and removing all the OC DONUT STEEL's that Penders had put in.

So while the comic had gone from horrible to not half bad under Ian's watch, at this point everything got tossed in the trash for a complete reset. It sucked, it meant many plotlines would never be resolved, but we could live with it.

But Penders was still butthurt about not being on Sonic anymore, and that no one gave a flying fuck about his horribly drawn and written "TOTALLY NOT KNUCKLES RECOLORS!" pet project. So he went out and found another old writer who had worked on the comic for a few issues, and convinced him that since Archie had lost the old contracts, he could sue for money. So he did. And SEGA fullfilled their promise and pulled the license from Archie, killing the Sonic comic for good and insuring SEGA will never let anyone else ever use the Sonic license again

>>91621784
Always nice to see that some things really do have happy endings.

>>91621009
Ask him about comic recommendations. If he freaks out, it is the anon known as Cranky

>>91621557
>>91621784
So to make it short, autist man-child gets dream job, fucks up so badly he gets fired, proceeds to shit bed for next person working job, then destroys job so no one can do it ever again.

It's kinda like some kid grabbing the ball and going home, when the ball doesn't even belong to him. Then seeing the other kids playing with another ball, runs out and punctures that ball. That's Penders. And his artwork is just as bad as his writing in case you were wondering.

>>91621929
Oh, and don't forget, he continues to claim that his work is some grand fucking masterpiece of storytelling, and downplays the achievements of every single other person who's ever worked on the comic. He calls himself a feminist despite writing every female character in the comic like garbage, not to mention saying that he wishes more women worked on the book, and when someone told him that the staff was mostly female, he made up arbitrary reasons as to why it didn't count, including the fact that an artist who was on the book for 4 years didn't do as much work as an artist who was on the book for over 10

You could write a fucking thesis length paper on everything he's done, and still not cover everything

>>91621557
>He gave us such infamous plotlines as TURBO TAILS, Sonic and Company BACK TO SCHOOL!, and 30 Years Later, all of which manage to be bland, awkward, and incoherent.
Just a quick correction there, he's not responsible for most of the Tails stuff, nor is he responsible for Sonic in HIGH SCHOOL, that was Bollers. 30 Years Later was Ian, but 25 Years later, the worst of the bunch, was Penders. As was shit like Chaos Knuckles, the Princess Sally mini series, the absolute ABORTION that was issues 155-156, and the absolute nightmare that was the Knuckles comics

>>91621784
>>91621929
So he destroys the Archie Sonic comics for entirely petty reasons?

>>91621557
>Penders got buttflustered he didn't have complete creative control over someone else's IP, and proceeded to sue SEGA over stealing "his" ideas for their Dark Brotherhood videogame. Archie decided they didn't want to deal with Penders bullshit anymore, so they kicked him off the book and put Ian Flynn in his place. To Be Continued:
Oh, another correction. The Chronicles lawsuit didn't happen until 2 years after he was off the book and Ian started writing, and it didn't reach it's zenith until 2012
>>91622172
Yes. Penders is incredibly petty. You thought Chris-chan was bad? You haven't seen Penders. Someone should do more of his stuff for the Weekend of Pain this year since I'll be unavailable to do more

>>91622170
>30 Years Later was Ian
I had forgotten Ian tried to salvage that.

>>91622172
And revenge for getting fired.

>>91621929
Sorry, another addition. Don't forget that he's the reason SatAM season 3 never happened, because he backstabbed Ben Hurst
>>91622257
>And revenge for getting fired.
He claims he quit to pursue new oppourtunities, which were:
>Storyboarding Bratz kids specials
>Storyboarding one episode of King of the Hill

>>91621557
Man I remember when all I knew about Penders was he wrote Sonic the Hedgehog and that he wrote a story that pissed off David Gonterman.

>>91622290
>Don't forget that he's the reason SatAM season 3 never happened, because he backstabbed Ben Hurst
Please anon, I keep trying to forget. I still feel the rage.

>>91614431
>He was trying to link Edmondson to some credit card fraud case some other guy named Nathan Edmondson did.

Wait, THAT was what was going on? No fucking wonder it quietly went away.

>>91622470
I didn't know he pissed off Gonterman? Was it with the holocaust plagiarism? Please tell me it was that
>>91622503
The fact he claims that Hurst passed the torch to him pisses me off. I don't love SaTAM, but that was fucking scummy of Penders

>>91622538
>I didn't know he pissed off Gonterman? Was it with the holocaust plagiarism? Please tell me it was that

No, back in the 90's Penders wrote a story where Sally "died" in a cliffhanger. Gonterman got pissed off about that because at the time he thought Penders really did kill her off. Eventually Sally was alive again by the end of the storyarc.

>>91614431

>Then he got one of the writers from one of the cucked sites like CA

I'm so happy CA went down. Every single tear shed by the assholes maintaining it made my day.

>>91622590
Ah, okay. Though to be fair Penders was going to kill her for good. Partially because everyone thought the comic was ending there, and partially because he's an asshole who said she "cramped Sonic's style" and that with her father around, she was unneeded

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>>91590501

>>91615928
impossible, this is tumblr-lite

>>91622687
Oh fugg, why did they stop posting shit? The site got an Eisner and was pretty active, despite their awful agenda.

>>91612560
frank not sharing your liberal views isnt grounds for him being a "terrible person"

>>91621557
>they just threw the job of lead writer at him, and hired a few more random writers and artists to get the job done on a regular basis.
Wrong.

Penders left specifically because he kept getting screwed out of being the lead writer. Gallagher was the lead for the first year. They let Ken do full issues to fill time for ~ six months while they roped Gallagher back in to the project. They then split the three writers to tackle a few characters and an arc up to ~ #40. They then gave Ken lead for a few filler issues and his "Endgame" pitch before replacing him with Karl Bollers, a colorist. Years later when Bollers left, the editor gave him lead for a year because he was their only writer left. He was then supplanted AGAIN by a literal newbie, and he quit the company.

>>91593593
>REE COMICS ARE ART

>>91624885
Wasn't he writing multiple Knuckles solo books during this time, though?

>>91624885
>He was then supplanted AGAIN by a literal newbie, and he quit the company.
I always thought he quit because he and Pellerito came to blows over Mobius 25 Years Later, and that Ian only became head writer because Penders left. Ian was just brought on to do continuity checks

>>91625165
This explains a lot about this board actually.

>>91625414
He only wrote one, and it barely lasted 32 issues. In fact he encouraged fans to buy multiple copies, but it became apparent by issue 30 that it was done, as the last arc was blatant filler that was never brought up again until Bollers brought back Hunter for Return to Angel Island AKA his final fuck you to Penders before he left

After that he was stuck on backups about the Great War and the plodding Chaos Knuckles arc, and occasionally did stuff for the Super Specials before those got shitcanned

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>>91625416
>>91625165
>>91593593
Yes, yes. Comic books are a meritless medium of bad writing and poorly-drawn spandex wedgies, enjoyed only by overweight virginal manchildren in search of a power fantasy.

This is a brave new line of humor never before touched upon, and I am proud to be among the first to witness its birth.

BAZINGA!

>>91593794
You're not wrong, but you gain nothing by trying to argue with people on this point.

>>91607449
There is no source. The Storm hooker/dominatrix thing is some shit a disgruntled Morrisonfag made up on his fucking livejournal ages ago. Somehow it got internet traction and turned into some kind of fucking comic book urban legend.

>>91625415
He stuck around for a full year afterwards, inked an Ian story, and slandered the guy for YEARS. It seems like the last straw was Ian getting to do the MXYL continuation because Ken refused to do the whole "King Shadow" thing.

>>91605034
Claremont was a pervert, but that doesn't make him a bad person. Especially given he only let it into his work fairly rarely.

>>91625807
>Kthor is currently banned from the Comics Journal message board for implying that X-Men writer Chris Claremont is anally fisted on a regular basis by a dominatrix dressed as Storm.

>>91625863
>Penders continually slandering Ian and saying that he's nowhere near the professional that Penders is and insulting everything he does, even going so far as to vaguely threaten him when Lost Hedgehog Tales chapter 1 came out
>Denies this when called out on it
I honestly commend Ian for going this long without telling him to fuck off or just blocking him at this point, because it's fucking riduclous

Also, don't forget that he said that Ian wrote Locke OoC, despite going on record as saying that he never read any other stories on the comic besides his own

Wait... now that Archie's game stuff has gone under and that "final straw" lawsuit was openly stated by everyone involved to have been Penders's idea... can I blame him for killing Megaman as well?

>>91625582
This explain a lot about this board actually.

>>91626097
>openly stated by everyone involved to have been Penders's idea
Source

>>91621557
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>>91622109
Penders not withstanding, aren't the people who run Archie Comics known for being shady as fuck too? There's the rumors about how they screwed Dan DeCarlo at the end of his life, the CEO who yelled penis at executives and a bunch of other stuff

Stan Lee.

>>91626424
>rumor
No rumor about it, Dan didn't see a cent from the Sabrina tv show.

>>91626097
No, you blame Paul Kaminski for that shit, and his hard on for fucking events and crossovers
>>91626424
Absolutely. Archie is an awful, awful company. The comic survived this long in spite of them, not because of them

>>91612560
Frank Miller not having Tumblr-approved opinions isn't morally wrong.

>>91626316
Scott Fulop cited Penders's case as the basis of his own. In court. Feel free to look it up.

Anecdotally, SNN and Bleeding Cool both said he claimed Penders approached him with the idea originally, as he wouldn't have thought to do it himself.

>>91626473
The Sabrina TV show and the Josie and the Pussycats movie. I think that's what started DeCarlo's lawsuit against them. And yes, Archie is well known for being reprehensible.

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>>91590501
Holy fuck.

>>91626513
Why's Scott in court? Even though it's a paper thin disguise, it's his media company that he left that sued Archie.

>>91626994
He created several of the Archie Sonic characters and wants to be paid off, which he knows Archie can't fight because they lost their contract paperwork (see earlier in the thread) just like when Penders fought them. Thing is, SEGA just said "enough is enough" and pulled the plug entirely on their comic contracts.

>>91627110
...anon, did you even read past the first sentence? I know what happened, I'm asking why Scott would be in court when he's been hiding behind New Ark Media, whom he "technically" isn't affiliated with.

>>91627261
I am failed by my reading comprehension.

>>91621557
>He gave us such infamous plotlines as TURBO TAILS
Based Penders.

>>91627768
Actually, another anon corrected me, that one was Bollers. His writing was about as bad as Penders, so it's easy to confuse the two's writing.

>>91622290
Which KotH episode?
I bet it was a Peggy episode.

>>91627850
Honestly, at his worst Bollers was that bad, but on the whole he was generally ok, just awful when he got balls deep into the love triangles, and most things after "Home" outside of Return to Angel Island were fucking stupid, such as turning Antoine evil, which Penders undid in the only good decision he ever made
>>91627950
I'd have to go check

>>91626424
Archie Comics is scummy beyond your wildest dreams- they're the ones most responsible for the Comics Code fucking American comics for half a century

>>91620814
>It's especially ridiculous since so many people here defend works that favor abstract themes over the nuts and bolts of storytelling. You insist that stories must have a deeper meaning, yet you find the idea of pondering the specifics of your own emotions abhorrent? Fuck right off.

Fuck Anon, can I buy you a beer?

>>91628292
But the CCA was self-policing, much like the MPAA. It's the industry itself limiting itself. No one was MAKING them do it & later, they just got around it by just NOT putting their happy little sticker on it.

>>91590483
>>91590501
This sounds too far out there to be real.

>>91628460
Back in the day, you could be a comic book writer & a horrible person. Len Lawson, who used to write for Action Comics, turned out to be a murderer & rapist & Bob Wood (ironically from "Crime Does Not Pay") ended up killing his girlfriend on a bender.

>>91595910
>ruining comics for for personal, self-indulgent, self-satisfying pleasure.
Sure it's immoral.

Reminds me when a bunch of writers got together in Marvel to have Miss Marvel raped and sent away with her rapist(Kang the Conqueror) who was mind-controlling her and they had all the Avengers be perfectly fine with it.

>>91628324
In most cases, the industry watching itself means the more powerful companies can strong-arm the smaller competition out of business. Just ask Bill Gaines.

>>91628630
>bunch of writers
Funny way to spell Jim Shooter

>>91613522
>Didn't Didio fuck somebody's wife?

Jann Jones, editor @ dc and wife of JG Jones wife. She later shacked up and married James Robinson.

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>>91628630
Hey, now. Kang had NOTHING to do with that shit. It was a Space Phantom named Marcus who died immediately after.

And Shooter later apologized, though it was more a case "what the fuck was I smoking?" than anything else.

>>91629425
It was Immortus trying to half-ass a way to further his own creation through weird genetic fuckery. It was "technically" Kang. Really gotta defend Future Hitler?

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>>91629480
Eh, fair enough.

>>91609010
If I'm not mistaken that Constantine is gambit. Am I right?

>>91629425
Remember when Shooter wrote that story about Bruce Banner being hit on by gay guys, so he told them he was the Hulk?

>>91628318
I don't drink, though the offer is appreciated.

>>91606968
naaaah
just months after setting up America's Best Comics, Jim Lee sold Wildstorm to DC, so Moore ended up working for DC again
he didn't take the moral stand and quit, because he didn't want his artists to lose their jobs

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>>91608625
>What was the deal with Blair?

He was a fetish porn artist on the side. He did femdom, BDSM and cross dressing stuff. He also had a tendency to mix his elf shit into it.

>>91630068
>Forgetting the tiny little detail about him being a pedophile

>>91591892
90's comics were like the 60's all over again.

There's not much practical difference in technical skill level between Kirby and Liefeld, in all honesty.

>>91630347
Go back to bed, Kirkman.

>>91630160

proof?

>>91600689
What even happened to him?

I remember reading the full history of his rise and fall, while I can almost understand his actions with Dreamwave (first time running a business, breakout success, riding high, things go to shit, make the classic rookie mistake of pretending everything is fine instead of being honest about it), it's what happened AFTER that, that elevates him to villain status.

Last thing I heard he'd gone back to Asia, haven't found anything since.

>>91630572
>Last thing I heard he'd gone back to Asia
Well, he was Canadian... but yeah, nobody seems to have heard from him since. TFwiki mentions film production and financing his girlfriend's modeling career, but those both seemed to have tanked.

>>91613270
Bleed was a reference to a period, obviously.

>>91627850
Still wrong, Turbo Tails first showed up in a Kent Taylor story.

>>91592271
>liefield traces
I do not believe this.

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>>91631108
That's upsetting, because it means that he has at some point seen what a human body actually looks like.

>>91609718
>he just doesn't talk about it in a way that can be taken out of context to make him look like an asshole.
I would really love to see the correct context.

>>91630347
You deserve to be stabbed. People suck Kirby's dick way too much, but that's on the level of comparing Bill Watterson to Jim Davis.

>>91631108
The helicarrier is clearly a trace, the rest look more like "duplication" or "completely ripping off".
>>91631144
Like Jim Lee and some other 90's artists, he learned to draw "people" from comic books, not from actually studying people.

>>91631108
Looks like most except that awful Regex cover were referenced rather than traced, also known as "swiping". They don't line up perfectly with the source images. I could even accept that Captain America being an homage of sorts.

Still bad practice, though.

>>91631227
The helicarrier's not traced, windows don't line up.

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>>91631182
Not really. Kirby has a lot of the same skill shortcomings as Liefeld and openly used photos in his pieces later on. It's just for whatever reason people prefer his style.

Never liked it myself, Steve Ditko may be a reclusive objectivist crank but he's also a much better artist.

>>91631513
This looks like a human

>>91631108
These people do not (with the exception of the photo trace). If you can't tell the difference, you may have brain problems.

>>91631108

liefeld is so great that his greatness echoes backwards in time, inspiring lesser artists of the past

>>91627950
>>91628066
Penders storyboarded on the episode "Hank Gets Dusted" (Season 11, Episode 5), the one that had Dusty Hill from ZZ Top guest starring.

>>91631657
A better episode then I would have expected.
Brava Anon.

>>91628533

>Leonard Keith Lawson (1927 – 29 November 2003), better known as Len Lawson or Lennie Lawson, was a bestselling Australian comic book creator, successful commercial artist and photographer. He was however a notorious criminal who was convicted on charges of both rape and murder, and was sentenced to life imprisonment and died in custody

>Lawson first came to prominence as the creator of The Lone Avenger, an Australian comic book hero, whose first appearance was in the second issue of Action Comics in 1946, running for thirteen years, eventually taking over the entire comic and selling up to 70,000 copies. Lawson also created another masked Western vigilante hero The Hooded Rider, as well as Diana, Queen of the Apes and Peter Fury.

>In 1954, however, Lawson kidnapped, assaulted and raped five models. He was sentenced to death but had his sentence commuted to 14 years in prison. After his release in 1961, he raped and killed another model on 7 November 1962 and on the next day, took several hostages at the Sydney Church of England Girls' Grammar School, killing a 15-year-old girl in the ensuing siege. Sentenced to life imprisonment, Lawson died in prison in November 2003.

Jesus.

>>91631719
I just doubled checked. He also storyboarded the episode "Serpunt" (second episode of the same season), the episode where Hank gets blamed for a python escaping into the sewers and Dale has to go kill it.

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>>91589983
Stan Lee, he cucked Ditko and Kirby

>>91613752

i think they never asked, he mailed in the scripts and talked to the editor(Mort W) over the phone

>>91609367
Ivy looks kinda like Leeloo from The Fifth Element. Or maybe Pris from Blade Runner.

I especially love your Scarecow. Looks really creepy.

>>91591215
absolute madman

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPhlWKi9uKQ

>>91625807
>>91625876

I thought everyone knew that Chris Claremont is anally fisted on a regular basis by a dominatrix dressed as Storm was bullshit but it's also hilarious so it keeps going around

kirby had good inkers and colorists

>>91607232
Shirley Temple looking nigga