Zod's ship, along with its crew land in the MCU Could

Zod on his own would wreck every avenger.

Maybe if Thanos came to earth to look for an infinity stone, and got annoyed by Zod he might pose a threat.

>>91563495
With Thor, Vision and Hulk MAYBE.

>>91563495
Since they are the heroes of the movie, yes.
They even try to save people while fighting.

>>91563495

Easily.

Avengers + Shield would hold the kryptonians enough until Tony or Banner came up with a way to neutralize them.

>>91563737
>until Tony or Banner came up with a way to neutralize them

QUIPTONITE

just use kryptonite like nigga its a green rock

>>91563495

>Zod: Kneel before Zod
>Stark: At least take me out to dinner first
>*laugh track*

They may have a deterraforming device, but MCU has quips

Kryptonians are weak to magic
Thor, Scarlet Witch, and Doctor Strange have magic
The Avengers have Thor, Scarlet Witch and Doctor Strange.
Therefore Kryptonians are weak to the Avengers.

>>91563936
It's not a weakness, it's a vulnerability.

>>91563965
Same damn thing.

>>91563997
No, just being around magic doesn't make them weaker. It depends on the spell.

Kryptonite is a weakness, magic is not.

>>91564040
when you are an invulnerable god it is the same fucking thing. /co/ is so autistic when it comes to this, when a person is invulnerable to everything a vulnerability IS a weakness.

Superman fags are really dumb when it comes to this

>>91564040
You're just being a pedantic dick and a moron since "weakness" and "vulnerabilities" are fucking synonyms.

>Mindfucked by Mr. Doctor and put back in one of those dildos.
>Arrives in another planet
>Zod will be back in Thor: RagnaROCK

The Avengers have a couple infnity stones in their disposal, so I don't see the Kryptonians being anything more than a nuisance.

>>91564091
>>91564108
The point of clarifying the difference is that magic is not autowin like kryptonite could be. With kryptonite there's nothing special to it, just the radiation itself is enough. With magic they would have to know how the vulnerability works and use a spell that is specific enough to take them down. Like if they use magic to levitate normal stuff as projectiles that doesn't do anything.

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>>91563495

Thanos lands in the DCEU, could he stop the Justice League?

No, because the infinity stones dont exist in the DCEU... checkmate mouseketeers.

>>91563495
>dr Strange
>Thor
>Hulk
>vision
>scarlett Witch given a few years training

alternatively

>magic is just science Tony turns off Zods powers

MCU is fine

>>91564265
>>dr Strange
>>Thor
>>Hulk
They get curbstomped in 3 minutes or less. They're horrifically neutered in this universe.

>>91564243
we haven't seen MCU Thanos' power yet, but either he himself is/has henchmen capable/has tech on planetbuster level. JL gets rekt

>>91564224
weakness != auto win. you twist words to make them seem something they don't mean. Sure, Kryptonite and magic effect Superman differently, but that's not the point

If Doctor Strange has the Eye then Kryptionians stand no chance.

>>91564292
>>>dr Strange
>neutered

what movie did you watch? he time looped an entity from another dimension. A god far beyond Superman

>>91564307
My point is that simply having magic doesn't mean they have a chance (which is what the original post suggested to me) due to the specific mechanics involved.

>>91564378
But it does. Cause against magic Superman is just a human. It is literally nothing for Strange or Wanda to erase him from reality

>>91564378
The Eye of Agamotto is stronger than anything shown in the DCEU so far.

I don't think you can take the Vision, he's so strong

>>91564447
Except wanda is just notjean grey in this verse, and dr. strange is nowhere near that powerful.

>>91563495
I doubt it. People are throwing out Doctor Strange and Scarlet Witch, but I highly doubt they'd get serious quickly enough to stop the Kryptonians.

The instant Zod realized one or any of them were threatening, he'd put them down faster than human reaction speed would allow a counter for. Scarlet Witch struggled to restrain Vision in Civil War, and Zod is much, much stronger than Vision.

Zod solo would be an okay match that the MCU might be able to win if they were aware of just how strong Zod was from the start. But Zod and just two Kryptonian soldiers would be more than enough to put everyone in the MCU - Strange, Witch and Thanos included - in the fucking ground.

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>>91564243
>because the infinity stones dont exist
>>Thinks Thanos needs Infinity Stones
>>Casual

>>91564464
Until thanos just grabs that shit from him and breaks it to steal the gem. Fucking retarded that they made it one of the infinity stones.

>>91563495
They wouldn't. There's no beacon on MCU Earth to draw them there.
And even if they did why would they stay? They need the Codex to rebuild Krypton, which
doesn't exist there.
And if we're comparing macguffins wouldn't the Tessaract basically just send them to the phantom zone or across the universe again?

>>91564447
>Cause against magic Superman is just a human.

Again, that's not how it works. It depends on the spell. He (or going back to OP's scenario, any Kryptonian) still has his powers unless you cast a spell to take them away.

And MCU Wanda hasn't done anything that big, don't be retarded. Strange certainly could but it's debatable whether he would.

>>91564494
DCshills.
So sad.

>>91564551
Keep your console wars faggotry out of the thread, thanks.

>>91563495

why would they if Kal-El isn't there

>>91564331
>ZOD! I come to bargain!
>52 neck snaps later
>ZOD! I come to bargain!

Thor, Hulk, and Vision could fight them. Though MCU Thor might struggle against Kryptonians later.

Wanda can neutralize them with mind powers.

Stark would have to discover their Kryptonite weakness. Then make a kryptonite powered suit. that shoots kryptonite energy beams. KryptonBuster.

Antman can disable their tech until they develop and control their vision powers.

Spiderman can stand up to them early.

Cap and Winter Soldier get beat in the first stand up fight.

everyone else is useless.

Doctor Strange alone could handle them

>>91564091
Let me make an example. Say you have a magic spell that summons a weak blast of water. Kryptonians won't be hurt by that, because it' still just water.

They have a regular human's resistance to magic.
Whereas if you gently threw a rock of kryptonite at them, so gently that it wouldn't hurt a child they'd still get blown the fuck out by it.

>>91564635
lol

>>91564579
>literal DC vs Marvel thread
>keep your console wars out of the thread

WAT

>>91563936
Thor and Scarlet Witch don't have magic in the MCU

>>91564331
That trick only worked on Dormammu because his dimension had no time. In facy, it probably wouldn't even work a second time because now Dormammu has a concept of it and can plan accordingly.

>>91564694
A lot of retards in this thread are getting the comics confused with the movies.

>>91563495
Thor, Vision, and Hulk can stall the 3 kryptonians while Iron Man sciences some shit and the rest destroy the ship.

Supe's man disadvantage is that he was spread thin as fuck.

>>91564492
He doesn't have to be. Strange can just open a mirror dimension portal, bait them into it, and close it on them. Kryptonans aren't "punching reality" tier in the DCEU so they'd be stuck in a psuedo-phantom zone.

>>91563495
DANCE OFF ZOD

>>91564224
Shut the fuck up, everyone knows what it means.

Just.

Shut the fuck up.

>>91563495
No

No Avenger in the MCU is powerful enough.

Hulk and Thor are the only ones with a fighting chance, but they get their asses handed to them all the time by others who aren't as strong as them.

>>91564735
>Strange can just open a mirror dimension portal
Unless a kryptonian simply uses their speed to just snatch that stupid sling ring out of his hands and breaks it.

They arrive, but they wouldn't be able to do shit as didn't superman have something in his blood that they needed to actually jumpstart the colonization project?

Zod ain't got anybody to spite by terraforming the place

>>91564767
They've have to know that's the purpose of the ring first. Why would they?

>>91563495
>Could they be stopped?
Mr Doctor warps them into one of the shitloads of other dimmensions (propably right back to their own cancervese).

>>91563801
Kryptonite wouldn't exist in the MCU if Krypton didn't.
Even if you make synthetic Kryptonite it doesn't work as well or at all sometimes.

>>91564634
You're vastly overestimated how strong Hulk, Thor and Vision are. None of them are anywhere near as strong OR durable as what the kryptonians showed off in Man of Steel. Hell, none of them are even fast enough to land hits on the kryptonians. Faora would have every single Avenger on their ass inside of 2 seconds.

Remember the scene in Civil War where Winter Soldier tries to punch Spider-Man with his bionic arm, and Spider-Man casually catches it and starts remarking on how cool it is? That's the equivalent of the strongest MCU characters trying to throw a punch at any of the kryptonians. They would catch it, remark on how pathetic it was, and then knock Hulk/Vision/Thor backwards a few hundred yards.

>>91564791
They'd figure it out pretty fucking fast as he's holding it and making circles with his hand for 10 seconds.

Here's how Superman's magic weakness works. If the spell is a damage spell, he still resists it just like he resists all damage. If the spell has some specific effect, like shapeshifting, paralysis, or instant death, Superman is affected like anyone else.

Wizards can beat superman with their utility spells, but a sorcerer built for blasting will never hut him.

>>91564758
>everyone knows but they keep suggesting things that wouldn't work

k

>>91564787
Its considered poor form to bring up the fact that Zod's presence on Earth is due entirely to Clark's actions and existence

>>91564787
This is the only anon in whole fucking thread who knows something about movies/comics. Zods whole purpose was to protect Krypton, not to destroy other planets. Withoul Clark he propably will join Avengers.

>>91564492
Wanda took down the Vision. She over powered a fucking infinity stone!

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>>91564767
>Kryptonians
>Ever using super-reflexes to prevent someone from using a weapon against them.

It's like you don't understand the tropes of your own comic/movie universe.
Try reading comics.
Kryptonians tank everything like morons. Always.

>>91563495
Without Kryptonite they're fucked

>>91564819
Did you not watch the movie? He can send them to the mirror dimension with a gesture. Getting OUT requires the ring. Shattering it only strands Strange there with them.

>>91564815
>Vision
>you can not literally touch him, while he can smash your heart from inside

>>91564819
And? It just looks like a pair of brass knuckles.

>>91564859
Yeah, they're going to just stand there as he's slowly moving his hand in a circle for like 3 minutes.

>>91564494
Vision can kill Zod just by phasing through him.

None of yhe Avengers are fast enough to hit or dodge the kryptonians
>Superspeed around snapping everyone's neck who's vulnerable
>Rip Vision apart when he endures
>Tear Stark's armor apart and Star along with it
>Throw Hulk into space
Thor will be the last one alive but by that point he'll be getting his ass beat by the entire crew

>>91564815
Vision can go intangible and has a freaking infinity stone. His cells are also made from invulnerable Vibranium metal.

Hulk definitely has the strength and durability. his speed is lacking though.

Thor will have to play range DPS. lightning and hammer blows.

>>91564815
>Vision
infinity stone. same goes for Dr Strange

>>91564902
YES.
That's exactly how Superman and his villains work. Also, bonus points for not knowing how the Mirror World works either.
You're just a bundle of stupid today.
go ahead and spill it all out.

>>91564828
>but a sorcerer built for blasting will never hut him.
please explain why Black Atom hurts him so much then.

>>91564902
>it's three minutes now
Zod is a prideful moron with no exposure whatsoever to humanity or magic and it takes like ten seconds MAX to open a portal. There's absolutely no reason to assume he'd immediately perceive the threat and how to deal with it.
And that's overlooking the fact that he doesn't INSTANTLY get full Kryptonian powers even in the DCEU.

>>91564977
>Hulk definitely has the strength and durability. his speed is lacking though.
Got his ass kicked by fucking iron man.
Thor nearly got taken out by a fucking pocket knife. Not to mention, again, having a real hard time with iron man of all people.

>>91564866
I seriously doubt he's strong enough. I know for a fact he's not fast enough. Kryptonian cells are so dense he might have issues phasing through it, as well. Kind of like how Kitty Pryde struggles to phase through adamantium/vibranium.

>>91565008
Bolts from Shazam-powered people are enchanted not just lightning.

Would Thor's lightning work on them? Shazam's does.

>>91565060
Shazam is magic, thor is not.

>>91565060
Not unless it has special properties. If it's just normal lightning it won't do shit.

>>91565028
>Got his ass kicked by fucking iron man
Not really. He just got stalled until he calmed down.
>Thor nearly got taken out by a fucking pocket knife
So did Zod, back on Krypton.

>>91564841
Zod could have fucked off to mars or any other hospitable planet once he had the codex. He decided to fuck up earth regardless.

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>>91564974
>None of yhe Avengers are fast enough to hit or dodge the kryptonians
Kryptonians don't fight with super-speed normally, just like Superman in the comic books.
Superspeed against Doomsday? Nope.
Superspeed against Zod? Not particularly.
Supes and Faora were fighting at normal speed relative to all the normies standing around.

In fact, Faora's use of super-reflexes against the soldiers is practically the only use of it.

Same as comics, it's the first power they forget they have.

>>91565099
>Not really. He just got stalled until he calmed down.
He literally knocked out the hulk with a punch.

>>91565081
>>91565087
That's my question. Does Thor's lightning have any magical properties to it?

>>91565053
That's what I'm saying. MAGIC HURTS SUPERMAN! Magic fireballs/lightning hurts him

>>91565060
I dunno, Thor already confirmed their magic is just advanced technology. So the lightning might just be normal lightning and not magic lighting like Shazam's

>>91564977
>>91564979
Hulk got knocked out in the MCU. Like, Iron Man punched him a few times and knocked him out. He'd be KO'd and back to Banner form before he could get angry enough to even be amusing for the kryptonians, and even his best feats in those movies aren't on their level.

Vision's infinity stone didn't do much in Civil War, when Wanda kept him on lockdown and even Clint fucking Barton was able to give him a mild bit of trouble. He's slow, and he's weak.

Doctor Strange doesn't carry the Eye of Agamotto at all times. Activating it is pretty slow, as well. He's a non-entity in this fight.

>>91565126
Not in the movies.

>>91565122
When was this? It wasn't in AoU.
I remember because /co/ spent a month afterwards bitching about the "go to sleep" thing which was multiple punches.

>>91565081
Fuck off, Thor can do both. If the lighting is from the sky it's natural, if it's from the hammer it's magic

>>91565126
Not in the MCU one, at least not stated. Only Loki seems to have any "real" magic connections or awareness, and he never even used that in any of his schemes.

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>>91565119
Even the characters who's powerset IS super-reflexes forget they have it all the time at DC.

>>91565132
Not exactly, anything strong enough hurts him. When you're that strong punching him works too. Their lightning is an extension of their strength.

>>91565087
>>91565081
Kryptonians are weak to electricity though. Supergirl said so herself in that Batgirl issue and her and Clark have gotten fucked up by livewire before because of it.

>>91565137
>I dunno, Thor already confirmed their magic is just advanced technology
I honestly think that line was misinterpreted. I think what he meant was that magic is repeatable and commonplace enough to be indistinguishable.

>>91565192
and there have been times where they just tank lightning bolts and electricity.

>>91564378

Dr. Strange MCU wins out.

Dude time locked a God who took awhile to notice. Zod would never even get to bargaining, he'd just be negative zoned in the timelock.

>>91565149
>Vision's infinity stone didn't do much in Civil War
Did you not get his story arc? He doesn't want to use his power, he's walking on glass always.

>>91565181
lmao wtf is this

>>91565081
Thor's lightning comes from the OdinForce. Even if it "isn't magic". It is still a high level cosmic force.

Wanda or Strange can get it done. Hulk and Thor could put up a fight but need magic for the KO

>>91565238
....Once again, you keep getting movies confused with comics. He's a god in the comics books, in the movies he's just an advanced alien.

>>91565226
so convenient

smartest android in the universe can't modulate his power source in such a way to be just strong enough to break free of Scarlet Witch. c'mon man.

>>91563798
I fucking see you anon. Funny shit

So many replies going "nobody has any time to do anything to them!"

It's weird how we're all assuming Zod and the Kryptonians are going to fight at full superpower strength from the first second and won't have any problems whatsoever adjusting to their new powers when even in their own movie this wasn't the case.

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>>91563495

Do they still have the problem of Earth's atmosphere? Because this motherfucker would be unstoppable if he could adapt to the Sun.

>>91565183
you have to realize you are talking out of your ass here. It's the reason Shazam needs to take on Black Atom and not Superman, Black Atom would DESTROY Superman

>>91565334
It's black "adam", dopey. At least get his name right if you're going to pretend that you read this horseshit.

>>91563495
rogue touches them all

professor mind warps them

thor hits them a lot with magic

someone uses any gem on them

>>91565334
Dude, it's Black ADAM. I even agree with you but when you get the name wrong it calls your understanding of the characters into question.

The Avengers would be annihilated like insects and anyone saying otherwise is DELUSIONAL.

No matter how strong The Avengers are, they are nothing compared to the power of Krypton.

>>91565334
You don't even know the guy's name. The lightning itself is their power. It's not hard to understand.

Superman is not fully invulnerable. If you punch him really really hard he'll die. Their lightning is the same as a punch from them. Billy is better suited to a battle because he knows the qualities of the powers better than Superman.

>>91565360
>looks at case of nearly empty beer
you have a point....I stand by my point, but I fucked up

>>91565377
>>91565238
see
>>91564712
>>91564712
>>91564712
>>91564712

>>91563495
Nope. All the Kryptonians would overpower the Avengers so easily it would be hilariously cruel. Wanda can't react to things that fast and Vision will be overwhelmed by the sheer numbers of Kryptonians (each one more powerful than fucking Ultron and more versatile than Cap).

Strange would be their only hope, maybe placing them inside that mirror dimension instead of a time loop. But that would require several sacrifices, enough to make the Avengers be reduced to just a couple of members.

Zod and his people would curbstomp the MCU. Then Stark creates Doomsday because he is a piece of shit like that.

>>91565421
Antman could be an issue with his shrinking tech. But focalized super hearing and eye lasers are enough to take him down.

Couldn't the Avengers do what Superman did in MoS and rip off their facemask-thingies that prevent them from being overwhelmed by their super-senses? Zod adapted pretty quickly, but it would be enough of a distraction to toss them all into the Mirror Dimension.

>>91565485
no because then marlel would win

>>91565485
>Couldn't the Avengers do what Superman did in MoS and rip off their facemask-thingies
Not one of them would even be able to get close enough before getting torn apart.

>>91565303
Its going to be a numbers game and depend on how things develop. Are they coming already sun powered? If so as soon as one of them gets hurt or taken down its going to be an all out by the kryptonians which the avengers won't survive. If they come weakened it will go more in the avengers way but they probably won't be fast enough to end the fight before Zods people get powered up. Plus a lot of the people claiming Dr. S and SW could end it quick assume that they would start with magic that would harm or stop them right away. The two biggest threats are really squishy and need to hope to take out all the kryptonians at once otherwise its over.

>>91565515
Pretty much all the Avengers except Hulk have a ranged attack that would destroy a hightech facemask. Even Black Widow might be able to if she catches them by surprise and shoots them in the face several times. Ditto for Hawkeye.

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>>91565421
>All the Kryptonians would overpower x so easily it would be hilariously cruel.
Yes, if Kryptonians weren't in permanent "Job my Speed" mode, they'd absolutely win ever single movie, television and comic fight ever in exactly that way. But they don't, so it's not worth bringing up.

Fuck, even Superboy Prime fights everyone who isn't a Flash at normal speeds. What part of this don't you get?

>>91565475
>antman sends ants with black hole bombs to every space ship

problem solved. Thank you based Pym

>all these disney shills
L MA O

>>91563495
Tony quickly finds they're powered by yellow sun solar radiation. Red sun energy weapon equipped Ironman suites.

Vision with red sun weapons could phase into their ship and quickly take most of them out. He should be fairly untouchable.

Provided Vision is actually able to fully wield Mjölnir, they're weak to magic.

>>91565594
Welp, the company wars faggot has arrived, time to clear the thread.

>>91565621
>Provided Vision is actually able to fully wield Mjölnir, they're weak to magic.
You seem to think mjolnir is magic in this universe.

>>91565524
Fair enough but when you go
>Are they coming already sun powered?
you're pretty clearly stacking the deck to favor them though. If you do that then there's no reason to assume Strange wouldn't show up and start out with magic.

>>91565623
>arrived
it was started by one

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Basically what I have learned from these threads, is that most heroes and villains are weak to Mudo and Hama spells.

Oh and punches will not work...

>>91565485
The mirror dimension probably wouldn't be the first resort. By the time Strange decided to use it he would most likely already be targeted as a threat and eliminated.

>>91565592
Oh! You know what Antman could do? If he could get one of those shrinking discs on a Kryptonian, and mess with it's regulator, he could shrink the Kryptonian out of existence

>>91565621
>they're weak to magic
They're vulnerable to it, as much as any of the avengers themselves are, not necessarily weak to it.

And no, the avengers would get turned into ashes before they could even comprehend who they were fighting against.

>>91563495

Interesting question.

Assuming this happens RIGHT THIS SECOND in the MCU, the only Avengers that could potentially do anything would be Vision, Thor, and Hulk.

Other Avengers that could potentially do something, depending on how the conflict plays out, would be Tony and the Scarlet Witch.

Mind you, all information of Zod and Faora that I possess are inferences from 4chan posts, the comics, and the second Superman move from the 70s/80s. I did not watch Man of Steel.

With that outta the way, I would imagine that Zod will arrive on Earth and be confronted almost immediately by Iron Man.

Tony will attempt to make first contact and because of his paranoia and PTSD, he will be on the defensive and demand that Zod state his intentions and comply peacefully or face some sort of threatening, retaliatory force.

It's at this point that Zod will not back down because he understands that Earth is a perfect candidate for terraforming into a new Krypton. He'll call Tony's bluff.

Tony fires and unloads an initial volley on the invaders, and his worst fears begin to materialize. Zod's well-trained crew, and technological advantage begins to over-power any Earth response, and Tony's weapons barely make a scratch as the kryptonian technology that allowed Zod to beam a mass-message to the electronics of Earth, starts to scramble or intercept Iron Man's communications.

You could argue that Tony runs on a secure network, but even if Zod is unable to jam or intercept, Tony will be immediately overpowered with very little human back-up. Also during this initial tussle he'll realize that the kryptonians are strong. Very very strong.

After the initial conflict as both forces retreat to reassess the situation, Tony will realize that he needs to summon the Avengers and maybe even recruit Captain America's squad in order to help.

Strategically, the most obvious plan that Tony could come up with would be to setup teams to accomplish very specific tasks.

>>91565642
Thor shit uses magic. He can just explain it in scientific ways. Spergs on /co/ flipped out because they need excuses to hate popular things.

The movie even fucking gives the "it's indistinguishable, they're the same thing" quote and all the idiots hear is "SHILLS. NO MAGIC IN MCU! DRONES!"

>>91565112
He wanted to spite clark

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Thor and Wanda don't have magic un the MCU you fucking retards

>>91565684
The mirror dimension is how magic people preface their fights. It's like the dividing driver.

>>91565642
It basically is. "Magic", even in the DC universe, is a type of science that isnt fully understood. Hell Lex could probably crack it and gain results, but its probably more trouble than its worth. Admittedly, a lot of the Thor shit in the MCU is basically super advanced tools few can understand, kind of like presenting fire to primitives. The line between magic in science is set from understanding it

>>91565658
Possibly, but by one who wanted a discussion.
Now the emotional cripples who were bad-touched by RT are starting to filter in, might as well pack it in.

>>91565722
....Or, you know, the director of thor 2 straight up said they weren't magic. And they went out of their way to show them be purely tech based. They're aliens in this universe, not magical deities, what do you not understand about this.

>>91565718

He would ask Cap to infiltrate the kryptonian ship, and they would enlist secret Wakandan tech to be able to board and handle the atmosphere. The team would consist of Black Panther, ScarJo, Cap, a woke Bucky, Ant-man, and Scarlet Witch.

Another team would have the task of drawing fire and distracting the main kryptonian force. This would be the Hulk, Vision, Thor, any other Asgardians they could have recruited, the US Military, and Falcon, who will be given control of the War Machine suit due to Rhodes being out of commission.

Any remaining Marvel Heroes that were unaccounted for will have their moment to shine as crowd control or saving people in New York, because the battle will happen in New York. This includes Spider-man and the street level heroes.

Now, the plan will start off going well. Due to Scarlet Witchery, the covert team is able to infiltrate immediately after Vision throws it the opening volley with an incredibly overwhelming blast.

Zod will not be unprepared. He will have done his research, and he will have taken the time to understand and realize that the Yellow Sun will have made his crew much stronger than the average human, but there are superpowered humans that will cause problems.

While he fears the Vision, Hulk, and Thor, he thinks his trump card would be overwhelming Iron Man and getting control of that global-aware tech.

His forces will push back against the opening attack, but he'll send Faora to infiltrate Shield.

Meanwhile, on the Kryptonian ship, the covert crew is learning about kryptonian biology and they realize that the kryptonian atmosphere is harmful to humans. They meet some resistance but they're able to overcome anything that's tossed at them due to Scarlet Witchery and highly trained tactics (and maybe Pym Particles for the surprise element).

>>91565818

They eventually arrive in a giant atrium that houses a ginormous structure with living quarters and services for housing kryptonians. Named "Kandor", the spec ops boys are surprised by just how big the invading force is. The Kryptonians may just win.

Then, an alarm goes off. The whole ship is alerted to their presence and they are being surrounded. What gives? Everything was going perfectly.

Loki materializes out of nowhere, with Zod by his side. Loki smiles an evil grin. Because of his impersonation of Odin, he was privy to all the negotiations when Tony recruited Asgardians to help.

Loki whispers in Zod's ear, and immediately Zod orders a kryptonian to kill the Scarlet Witch on the spot. She is shot point blank. Loki ambles over to ScarJo, and asks her, "and how is my little mewling?"

Ant-man is noticeably absent from the group and Loki demands that he reveals himself. Nothing happens.

Cap looks at Bucky and they share a moment and then nod. Cap gives a speech about how Earth will persevere and how he has fought power-hungry, genetically-conscious race-focused bullies before. Zod looks amused and orders that they the remaining survivors be taken to the bridge to be used as a way to call the invading forces to stand down.

Before they're taken away, Cap yells "Now!" and Ant-man becomes a giant and surprises everyone.

Cap and Bucky spring into action and Cap knocks Loki in the face with his shield and Bucky goes to choke out Zod.

Ant-man is overwhelmed by laser-fire and it's obvious that he's not going to survive. ScarJo and Black Panther are ordered by Cap to escape and warn the others.

Ant-man knows that it's his big hero moment, so the second he sees that his friends have left the room. He yells at Cap, "things are about to get very very weird. It was honor to serve you."

>>91565642
Yeah, still a cosmic level weapon or whatever.

>>91565758
Plus, even if that wasn't true, as soon as Zod and his crew destroy their first building, Strange is gonna try to throw them into the Mirror Dimension to minimize casualties and property damage.

>>91565657
I'm not saying Strange would be there at the start using magic, I'm just saying is he going to start out using the right kind of magic? Totally possible he starts off picking them apart but still numbers game if they get powered up enough to take out Strange and SW its over.

Hey I just thought of something. Can you shrink Kryptonians with pym particles?

>>91565777
I was thinking of Thor 1. That "no magic" shit started back then.

>>91565580
>Faora doing this to Cap, Bucky, Scarlet Witch and every single agent of shield in quick succession and then laughing at how pathetic they are

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UkK7_FsJE7Q

>Nam-Ek just punches Thor and Hulk until they die.

>>91565592
>>91565705

Nothing a bit of Focalized vision and super senses can't prevent.

>>91563495
>Could they be stopped?
yes and pretty easily

>>91565718
>>91565818
>>91565845
You think Zod and his crew would ALLOW Tony to escape? Dude is dead. Outside of Thor, Hulk, and Vision. The others are dead, Namek would punch the shit out of them not holding back.

Zod like Superman is only affected by magic and therefore would be invulnerable to Doctor Strange's "science"

>>91565878
>I'm just saying is he going to start out using the right kind of magic?
The right kind of magic is the mirror dimension. Which, as has been pointed out in this thread, is how magic fights START. They begin with opening a mirror dimension so the real world doesn't get broken in their fights and magic can remain a secret. (In fact the fact that the bad guys don't is one of the things that set them apart in the movie)

So it's really not "would strange use the right move" because if he's there *at all*, the right move is literally his first one. He just needs to create the mirror dimension portal. They can even kill him once they're inside and they still lose then.

>>91565845

Loki expects something and disappears. Zod breaks free of Winter Soldier's grasp. He is gaining powers quickly. He fires a laser beam from his eyes and starts firing full blast at the Soldier's arm. Cap positions his shield between him and Zod and Zod pushes them back and back into a corridor away from "Kandor".

Ant-man pushes a highly-expermental button and shrinks the Kandor room and all the kryptonians near him. It's like a "shrink wave" emitting from the center. Zod flees just as he's about to be caught by it. Cap and Bucky run, with Bucky's arm completely fucked up. ScarJo and Black Panther find a ship and they also find the Jor El AI.

They are able to beam the AI straight into Vision's mind using some super-science plot device and Vision knows everything he needs to know about the kryptonians. He and Tony begin to instruct Black Panther via comm device about a super-weapon that will lock up the kryptonians in a prison.

"You have ruined my plans for the last time, woman!" Loki yells, right before he materializes, and he kills ScarJo and then aims his gaze at Black Panther. Black Panther aims the Phantom Zone projector at Loki. Loki laughs.

"I've escaped Hela's sweet embrace, Odin's private prison, and Thanos' reach. What is your prison going to do? Huh? Huh!"

Black Panther fires the projector and Loki is sent to the Phantom Zone. He smirks as he dematerializes.

Black Panther then looks for an escape pod and eventually finds one. Cap and WS are unresponsive. Black Panther escapes.

Tony, Vision, Thor and Hulk have no qualms killing any kryptonians they face on the front lines. They're practically Chetauri fodder at this point.

From the outside, the Kryptonian vessel looks like it's getting fucked up. While on the bridge, Zod is pissed as it looks like he's losing.

>>91565392
Not to mention Zod and his minions were elite trained soldiers. Its like if the fucking Spetsnaz had god like planet punching power!

>>91565949
>You think Zod and his crew would ALLOW Tony to escape?
They coudln't even stop a reporter.

>>91565958

One glimmer of hope for the kryptonians. Faora broke into Stark Tower and found the Iron Man cache of suits. Zod laughs maniacally.

As he laughs he is hit in the back of the head by Captain America's shield. "I wasn't done talking to you!" Cap cries. Zod charges Cap and WS, cut to Faora.

After having been exposed to the Earth's sunlight, she feels the best she's ever felt. Pepper catches her in the armory and Pepper calls Tony immediately. He can't respond because he's fighting so he sends the Falcon.

Falcon gets fucked up by Faora as she grows stronger as the fight rages on. She kills Falcon with her eye lasers. She can fly? She can fly! She flies right to the front lines, confident that she is strong to take everyone on.

Soon after she arrives at the battlefield, Zod lands next to her with Winter Soldier's arm in his hand. He crushes it. Tony shits bricks.

>>91565986

What happens next is a battle that finds all of the remaining Avengers dying. Hulk is throne into space and Thor's misogyny disallows him from punching Faora. The Vision is stupid at fighting and keeps tying to fire lasers even though they do nothing. Tony is completely overwhelmed almost immediately and is de-armored.

Just as it looks grim, Black Panther arrives at the last minute and tells Tony he has the Phantom Zone projector. They use it on the Kryptonians right as they cripple Thor. The kryptonians are about to escape but are detained by a super-massive Vision that starts to develop his own gravitational pull. Everyone is pulled into the Phantom Zone, but right as it closes Loki steps out, with the yellow mind-gem. He cackles and teleports away.

Post-credits scene, he hands the gem to Thanos, and asks for forgiveness.

>>91565983
Again. She had Kryptonian tech with her: A super intelligent AI that makes Jarvis looks like the little kid that eats glue in the backyard of the school.

Considering how much of a high profile and how much of a genius he is. Tony would be a primary target, he would not be captured, he would be killed on sight. He is as good as dead.

>>91565954
You sir are correct. I was thinking of something else not the mirror dimension used innthe movie.

>>91565923
see
>>91565119

>>91565119
>Kryptonians don't fight with super-speed normally
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UkK7_FsJE7Q

>>91565764
no. Marvel magic IS a science and is based on D&D logic, DC magic is based on Lord Dunsany "whatever feels right works" logic. Both are magic but play by different rules

>>91566126
>In fact, Faora's use of super-reflexes against the soldiers is practically the only use of it.
Goddamn you are slow. Like retarded slow.
Have you been checked?

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>>91564331
>a god far beyond Superman

idk, Superman could just punch it

>>91565119
If Thor and Hulk were as destructive and fast in Thor Ragnarok as Wondy, Supes, and Doomsday in BvS, it would be unwatchable.

>>91566076
>Again. She had Kryptonian tech with her: A super intelligent AI that makes Jarvis looks like the little kid that eats glue in the backyard of the school.

Yeah, and without that AI Zod's not going to be on Earth in the first place so for the entire premise to work it needs to be there as well.

Also, you're forgetting an important fact. Zod and his crew don't have powers on their own ship. They have their own atmosphere and radiaton shields. Clark loses his powers on their ship, they never have them.


For Zod and his cronies to have ANY chance of being a fight, they need to be *on earth*. On their ship they can get taken out by pretty much anyone eccept Hawkeye.

>>91566087
That argument is fallacious, butler. If we are assuming they are fighting to the fullest of their capabilities, then they are fighting to the fullest of their capabilities. Meaning they are going to overwhelm with sheer speed and strength most of the Avengers, they are going to make them shit themselves and probably make Tony puke instead of quipping... or both.

Just because you don't like it, doesn't mean it wont happen.

Also... Doomsday CAN keep up with both WW and Superman.

>>91566226
>and probably make Tony puke instead of quipping
yeah your bias isn't showing at all.

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>>91566191
Again, my dear shill. It happened and it's going to be used against the MCU. You might not like it, but this is the absolute truth. The Avengers are fucked and if the MCU actually manages to win, it will be left severely weakened and broken.

>>91566256
Well, he does quips a lot. My dear Marvel Intern.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMr47dVbP_0

>>91566262
>>91566226
This begs the fucking question, how is there a threat in the upcoming Wonder Woman when she is just that fast and strong?

>>91565712
>quickly

Tony's remotely controlled suit during first contact, detect the solar radiation levels being directed to or in their bodies. Tony, Banner, or Furry, noticing them obviously acting as if they're just now learning their powers.

Desperate. Send dozens of remote Iron suits to test attacking with different forms of solar radiation burst.

>>91566220
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-Di0OpVX5M

They are all warriors my dear intern. What are you? A fat guy getting paid to shill? How much? 2 dollars per post?

I wish I had your job.

>>91566301
Because said threat is a God of War.

>>91566333
That speech is the type of thing Zod would use to reply to a quip from the Avengers. Thor would see this and I imagine he'd probably start to feel actual fear as he realized just how far out of their league Zod and the other kryptonians are.

>>91566369
Who they don't reveal in the trailers or any advertising so far. Instead, it's all World War I weaponry and explosions that won't do shit to her. What's there to feel tension for?

>>91563737
So, you're saying comics 616 would be fucked?

>>91566333
>They're all warriors
They got their asses kicked by a farm boy that never threw a punch in his life.
Zod got KILLED by said farmboy, AND got his ass kicked by a scientist 30 years before.
Your sad and desperate and just screaming shill now so this thread is over.

>>91566439
>Nobody notices this. Only Thor and Cap are actually looking at him say this things eyes wide open. Tony stops smiling after he sees sweat coming down of Thor's forehead. Scarlet Witch looks at Steve and say: "Cap, what's wrong?" Steve looks at Thor, both swallow a bit and then Cap gives his orders: "We are retreating except Thor and Hulk. Do your very best to keep them busy. I'm sorry for leaving this responsibility to you. We have to find Antman, NOW!"

>>91566468
Its a movie set in WW1 you already know she's alive in the future the real threat is to her companions. Like I the first Cap movie.

>>91566301
You're assuming it's going to be a good movie with stakes.

>>91566167
>"whatever feels right works"
Isnt that how Dr Strange magic works? Regardless, its fucking magic, and trying to explain either definition is kind of dumb when you think about it

>>91566369
>inb4 some parallax tier shit

bro give up hope already

>>91566548
And that farm boy can destroy mountains by crashing with them, take the pressure of something that was literally hammering the planet (that gravitational pull and push was destroying a major city). Can move fast enough to explore all continents in matter of minutes and even escape a black hole.

Nice try, little man.

>>91566489
MCU's fucked against DCEU due to speed differences. 616 vs New Earth is more even.

>>91566566
But Cap's just a low tier superhuman. Wondy can fight a monster that can survive nukes and move faster than the eye can see. She should make helping others easier since the threat isn't as big.

>>91566548

Zod got beat by SUPERMAN, who had spent his entire life under a yellow sun, as compared to Zod who spent like a day under it at best.

>>91566551
Something like that, yeah.

In those last scenes Zod just exudes this terrifying presence. He really has nothing to lose at that point. Michael Shannon fucking killed it in that role.

Strange would just sling ring them all to the phantom zone, another planet around a red sun with out a spaceship, or leave them trapped in the mirror world.

>>91566635
But it IS the God of War..

>>91566652
>>91566666
He can only do that stuff on earth. we were talking about on his ship where none of them have powers and have to rely on training.

>>91566666
W A S T E D

>>91564694
Anyone that can defy the laws of physics and science are 'magic'

>>91566767
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eS-jAKCZIaI

>>91566936
Unless the creators say it isn't because they are afraid of offending the good religious folk of middle america.

>>91565334
>UP AND AT THEM

>>91564694
This isn't /tv/, so either you are talking about movie DCEU vs Marvel comics or this thread is offtopic.

>>91567086
Yeah that's in space. Not on Zod's ship.
Again ,Zod's ship SPECIFICALLY generates an atmospheric/radioactive condition that depowers Kryptonians. We see this in Man of Steel. Clark gets brought on board and is immediately weakened and choking on the air. In fact, that's arguably why Kryptonite exists in this universe as well; it was recreating those conditions on Earth.
Ergo, on the Black Zero and any other Krypotnian ship, Kryptonians have no powers.

>>91567237
>Zod's ship, along with its crew land in the MCU
>MCU

>>91567270
And I say this again.>>91566333

>>91567270
>Ergo, on the Black Zero and any other Krypotnian ship, Kryptonians have no powers

And then:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E7pBHgH4ffU

Which leads to:>>91566333

The MCU is fucked.

>>91566767

Yet you reference a fight that took place on Earth as your evidence? Man you're not very smart, are you?

>MCU heroes show up
>stark does an epic quip
>ant-man falls on the ground and asks for orange slices
>dr. strange isn't even paying attention because he's listening to beyonce
>quill keeps trying to dance off
>the world gets destroyed after 3 minutes

>>91567306
And if it comes down to training, they're not very good at hand to hand combat.

>>91567358
Follow the chain. You're trying to defend how Lois was able to get off Black Zero and saying Stark couldn't' do the same. Which makes no sense.

>>91567344
Why would Zod even activate the World Engine? No Codex. No point.

>>91563495

If we're talking non-jobbing Kryptonians here, Faora could speed blitz everyone besides Hulk and Thor, then Nam-Ek and some others could throw Hulk into the sun or something while Faora and Zod annihilate Thor. Obviously the Kryptonians ARE jobbers, so it wouldn't go down like that.

Snydershills are in full force but that was obvious once "Kryptonians would react to and dodge everything at super speed because they NEVER tanked a single weapon or got shot with bullets or missiles in their own movie."

>>91567489

Defend your comparison about Zod losing to a much stronger opponent that took place under a yellow sun. I'll understand if you don't respond.

>>91567489
Your subjective opinion regarding cqc is irrelevant. Under the feats and scenarios provided by both movies, Zod is the superior fighter in every way.

>>91567517
>Snydershills

>Snyder created DEECEE, gais muh company warz yo!

Fucking do the world a favor and neck yourself right after downing a bottle of Clorox.

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>no more Kryptonians
pew pew pew
Wanda got this easy

Ant-Man could probably take them. Even if they gave him trouble he could just turn them into black holes.

>>91565008

Ok, a blasting sorcerer with his damage scaled high enough can hurt superman. Just like a fighter who can punch as hard as superman can hurt superman.

>>91564541

Wanda doesn't have to do anything 'big'. She just has to mindfuck them into attacking each other.

The kryptonians, powered up, would be a serious threat. But as you said they just landed, the avengers have a few solid days before they are exposed to Earths atmosphere and shit enough for them to be anywhere near superman tier.

In that window, when they are still dealing with supersense feedback and learning how to jump good? One or two good Hulk Punches is lethal.

>>91567541
>>91567550
Under the feats and scenarios provided by both movies, Zod is the superior fighter in every way.
Under the feats when powers are removed from the equation Zod got his ass handed two him by two completely untrained combatants.

>>91567842
We're talking about Snyder's version of Zod so...yes?

>>91568122
Again >>91566333

Jesus, you are a dense shill.

>>91563936
>Strange

He doesn't have actual magic in the movie universe.

>>91563495
Is it an Avengers movie?

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none of you fuckers get the fucking point of the marvael movies, here is exactly how it will fucking play out

zod & company get to earth
*stupid marvel exposition*
now we have the final battle. everyone has to buy time for strange, tony, vision, & anyone else to come up with a plan.
cap&winter soldier get fucked up immediately. thor gets gangbanged because he is the only one seen as a legitimate threat. wanda probably somehow turns the tides in a surprise jump attack with hulk, vision, & maybe black panther. hulk remains the only one standing until the zod's backup gets back from gangbanging thor & gangbang hulk.
spiderman swings in with clint & paul rudd & all 3 accomplish feats far beyond their ability due to fan favoritism.
'hey guys, iron man came up with a plan!'
some stupid magic iron man suit comes out & fucks up zod's backup & matches even with zod until it inevitable shits itself due to tony's egotism when programming or something. zod, out of character, beats them all up & rants about his evil plan. right when zod is about to break tony's neck, next-movie cameo character (prob squirrel girl, miles, scarjo, captain marvel (either), or she-hulk; anyone far below zod's power level) sneakily stabs zod with a kryptonite knife due to tony's real *real* plan.
queue celebrations

post-credits scene is probably someone resurrecting zod & company for the phase 5 avengers trilogy.

>>91569238
>Zod is the best at fighting!
>jobs to scientist
>jobs to farmer/hobo
"If I just screech about shills enough it's the same as being right"

>>91564644
Wrong twice over. If Kryptonians had human reactions to magic then Superman would be incinerated from one SHAZAM lightning bolt.

Kryptonite was only that strong to some versions of Kryptonians. More often than not you'll need prolonged exposure, K gas, or large amounts of Kryptonite before it affects Kryptonians to a large extent.

>>91563495
Faora speedblitzes them. Now when Thanos comes for the Infinity Stones, it would be interesting to see how New Krypton would handle it. I'd love that. Would there be Kryptonian sorcerers?

>>91564293
>>91564496
Superman could solo Thanos and his entire army. Having Flash, Aquaman, and (possibly) Green Lantern? There's no hope for Thanos, especially with no Infinity Stones. Zack Snyder understands power levels, so if he makes GL extremely powerful then it would be very interesting to see.

>>91572398
>Zack Snyder understands power levels, so if he makes GL extremely powerful then it would be very interesting to see.
He should also understand that huge amounts of destruction and speedblitzing do not make for comprehensible visuals.

>>91566126

That's faster than human-level, but there's still bullets whizzing past them during their bursts of speed, so it's not THAT much faster than peak human.

>>91572398
>Zack Snyder understands power levels,
I need to google an appropriate incredulous reaction face. Please wait.

>>91566333
Zod got his ass beat by a scientist.

>>91572475
Faora can move faster than a sports car on a straight track. That's way above peak human.

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Do you think the internet's reception of Steven Universe as the show progressed could be responsible for the state the show is in now? I'm specifically referring to the sudden flourish of "those headcanons" and the wildfire memetic nature of humorous characterizations. Do you think Steven Universe could have ended up being a better show if the crew was more insulated from the internet and were able to focus inward on the show?