Why do nu males think because they draw shitty blob comics on

>>91562132
I don't think they do, I just think they're saying that self-doubt is something all artists experience.

rly megs u tink

This isn't just nu males. It's everyone who works in a bubble without criticism. Which is an alarming number of people.

>>91562132
You're not an artist OP so you just won't understand

>>91562194
I believe I have done more for art than "Sephko". At least I've been featured in galleries - what do people like this do? Complain on twitter?

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I understand that it's for the sake of a joke, but I think a lot of people legitimately seem to forget that even in the oldest recorded histories, ancient people used to talk about how ancient history seemed and how much they'd forgotten from the old civilizations and how important it was to gather relics of the past. Like, I think people legit think there was just one magical generation of cavemen that started inventing the wheel and fire and shit, instead of shit being lost and reinvented over and over until it didnt get obliterated by nature. I would argue that the entirety of human civilization isnt so much built on creation as much as the rediscovery, recreation, and recontextualization of ancient ideas (at least when it comes to art), and that subversive modernist art is a relatively new invention in comparison.

I think the joke is that the setup makes it look like it's going to be one of those "inspirational" comics that get thrown around on Tumblr, then throws an actual punchline at the reader.

>>91562310
people romanticising the past isn't anything new either. The Greeks felt like civilisation was just one big downward spiral and the glory days were long in the past. In the Illiad they bitch about how men are much weaker at the time than they were in the past, which is a story about that has man fighting a river so hard it stops drowning him

>>91562310
Right, that's why ancient civilizations already had computers and the Internet and we've just reinvented them. Oh wait...

>>91562411
Its almost like having something older and better to aspire to be like is a key component in driving civilization forward, or at least reinventing culture and transforming it into something better.

>>91562481
What exactly do you think inspired people to invent those?

>>91562310
It's interesting because the history of art we study in school is significantly an invented narrative and there's probably a lot to be gained by looking at older, ancient art and seeing what it actually was over this idea of cave paintings > bad art (but also the Greeks somehow) > perspective gets invented > Italians > modern era.

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>>91562481
Well technically speaking, egyptians used the same kind of math they use for modern computer binary systems.

But you look back enough, rome had a ton of modern shit that was obliterated and took years to get rediscovered. Like, surprisingly modern shit.

>>91562132
What made you want to make a post this worthless? Do you not get how a shitpost OP works against actual discussion like >>91562310 and its subsequent replies?

>>91562528
Who says they were "inspired"?
Pop positivity is a modern American invention, you know.

>>91562481
Well, you'll always have Lemuria, Atlantis and Mu.

>>91562558
The bottom line is that, in technological terms, it really is "different this time". And technology means a lot, especially when you remember it's not just digital stuff but also things like medicine.

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>it's a "let's distort and subvert western values until it gets destroyed for something demonstrably worse instead of building upon the knowledge of our ancestors" episode

>>91562237
post your work

>>91562617
Go fuck yourself Giorgio Vasari

>>91562617
>western values
That's a good joke anon.

>>91562132
is third panel from the renaissance? Because they didn't give a fuck about old art. They liked the statues but it didn't take long for them to completely obliterate the romans/greeks art-wise in every single area

>>91562701
Northern Renaissance over Italian Renaissance desu.

>>91562673
Everything you know, everything you experience, the culmination of your civilization up to this point that makes it possible for you to be a free person not fearful of death, is western values. Everything classically good that you take for granted, is western values.

How fucking dare you spit on the grave of your ancestors.

You bastard child.

>>91562132
Fucking cave guy is the best though. Fuck you and your subpar shit

>>91562617
>it's a "anon's never studied history in an academic fashion but wants to keep spouting his wrong opinions about historical progress" episode.

>>91562237
>At least I've been featured in galleries
Means fucking nothing. Depending on where you live, any random shmuck can be "featured in a gallery".

>>91562749
lol

>>91562783
>thinking academic history isn't biased

>>91562701
What, are you retarded? The Renaissance might as well have been called the "lets do what the Greeks did because we love Greece so much and are so much better than us" era. In fact the entire concept of "the old masters" comes from the Renaissance era. Hell, it took until Nietzsche for them to stop worshiping the ground that Plato walked on

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>>91562132
>all the other artists are copying other older artists
>caveman draws what he sees, an animal he hunted, with the miniscule amount of materials available to him since, remember, this is a time when people had to make art supplies out of berries and rocks instead of going to uncle giovanni's art supply store

literally more based, more masculine, more real to life, and more legitimate an artist than any of these modern cucks could hope to be.

>>91562237
Hahahahahahshahahshahshhahaha

Sure anon, the drawing that you made as a kid and was put on a fridge is a "gallery". Otherwise, post your site or blog here.

>>91562832
This may be true to some extent, but the quality of the art is seriously lacking in comparison. It's a tradeoff.

>>91562783
>academic history

I have a cousin who went into that, he tells me they start every course by saying they're viewing history through a modern, enlightened, feminist and progressive and PoC friendly lens.

You don't have to take my word for it, go look some of the harvard lectures up, they really do start them off like that.

>>91562132
I want to gas the fag who pushed "nu" as a replacement for "new".

>>91562812
You're right, I forgot about philosophy and law. In terms of painting they left the greeks/romans behind pretty quick. Although for sculpture and architecture they liked referencing them a lot.

>>91562871
>I have a cousin
Stopped reading right there.

>>91562891
This

>>91562617
>>91562749
>>91562810
>>91562871
http://www.theonion.com/article/expert-international-jewish-conspiracy-has-never-b-55354

>>91562891
I hope someday people start unironically using the neo- suffix

>>91562926
what part of
>you dont have to take my word for it
didnt you get

>>91562871
This is the case for all but the most hardcore STEM now, and even those are starting to get this treatment.

>>91562926
>not taking anecdotes as fact or at the very least as something worth reading
wtf?

>>91562991
But he did get it, and he chose not to take your word.

>>91562871
>google it shitlord!

Anon, please post at least one of these harvard lectures, or give us a link to them. Provide your own sources, and people will be more inclined to believe you.

>>91562132
>M-m-m-muh new mails

Try and be more subtle next time polack

>>91562310
Is this a series? Because I recall someone dressed just like that but like fallen face down on the snow.

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>>91563392
Yeah, that one. Is this some esoteric japanese meme?

>>91562617
I think we can all agree that powdered wigs were an embarrassing misstep, though.

>>91562411
Hell, we have Assyrian records bitching about how the youth had forgotten the values of their storied ancestors.

>>91563627
Funny thing, the powdered wig fad was destroyed primarily through the efforts of a single English noble who thought it looked stupid.

>>91563847
is that true? who is this hero

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Juss for u

>>91562132
not naming the file

>Midnightinparis

I'm disappointed in you.

>>91562993
How is stem being turned feminist and progressive? its like you can claim numbers and data is oppressive right?

>>91564225
They're basically banning anything that doesn't support the "cause". Even if it's empirically sound.

>>91564253
r/the_donald please leave

>>91564225
>>91564253

STEMfag here. Can confirm. The department rejected my proposal for a computational model of Broca's area because it didn't include anything about recognizing gendered language constructs.

>>91563871
nice retarded screencap?

>>91564390
>anecdote

post discarded

>>91563627
every generation had a bad fashion trend anon...

>>91564529
>first hand account
You can't just dismiss something because it's not a research paper.

I mean I guess you can but that just makes you look like a faggot. It's not like he's saying he knows a guy, he's outright claiming his logically sound proposal was rejected on the basics of gendered language bullshit.
You'd be much better claiming he's not in STEM and just making this up than shouting anecdote at a claim to authority.

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>>91564599
>>91564390
>going into psychology graduate programs
>liberally leaning but hate the progressive/if you disagree with us you are a racist bigot

..am I fucked?

>>91562132
The caveman paintings were done by women.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2013/10/131008-women-handprints-oldest-neolithic-cave-art/

>>91564599
>You'd be much better claiming he's not in STEM and just making this up than shouting anecdote at a claim to authority.
Protip anon, that is the implication when someone throws out an anecdote like that. I'm not even the anon you're replying to (but I also think anon >>91564390 is being satirical).

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>>91562617
>it's a "let's pretend we like Western values despite disagreeing with every Western philosopher of note or importance and instead agree with the philosophies of deranged retards on the internet" episode

>>91564639
Yep, you should trust anons on 4chan over your lived experience of education and your degree program.

>>91564599
Or, you know, he's bullshitting.

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>>91562749
But I do follow a Western philosophy, anon. After all, Karl Marx was a superior German philosopher.

>>91564652
The implications is that he's a faggot repeating the same half assed discredit that gets thrown around all the time.
"And my dad works at Nintendo" is a less tired line than "anecdote."

I'd be less annoyed if he was actually using anecdote correctly. You don't claim anecdote against someone with a position of authority, you use it to point out hearsay and second hand information, or an incomplete story.

And yeah probably but pardon my autism at least use fucking words correctly goddamn.

>>91564731
He was Jewish.

>>91564688
So you're telling me people tell lies and over exaggerate on 4chan?

>>91562613
We're gonna lose it again. Not all of it, but a lot of it.

>>91564780
No, I'm saying the opposite. You should definitely trust everything you read here and base all your life decisions on it.

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>>91564778
But he lived in the West and organized the principles of his world view in reaction to the West.

>>91562584
>forgetting Doggerland

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>>91564390
you can't talk about this without elaborating

>>91564529
>>91564599
>>91564639
>>91564639
>>91564652
>>91564762

These are all wrong.

>>91564688
>>91564704

These are correct. Good job, you two!

Whether it's "my dad works at nintendo" or "this really happened to me" or - most poignantly - "I am an expert", the fact that it's an anecdote is far far far less important than the fact that it's from some asshole on the internet. Even sources can be illegitimate or outright false, which is why it's important to let your audience scrutinize them as much as your own words. I'm also >>91563121 in case you were wondering.

I was indeed bullshitting.

I'm actually designing a model of the inferior colliculus and haven't finished getting my proposal together, let alone submitting it. The fact that I've been a working undergrad for nine years is likely to be more relevant than any PC police.

>>91565342
I suspected you were bullshitting. Ultimately I didn't care.
I was again, just being pedantic over his incorrect use of the term anecdote because I'm bored and have nothing better to do before I go into work and have a little bit more of my spirit crushed.

>>91565403
I can appreciate that. I've come to believe that pedantry will actually be a worthwhile thing, what with the nascent-ongoing delegitimization of journalism and all.

Whatever happens at work, know that today you've done your part to keep our bloated and rugose social discourse retain some semblance of fitness.

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>>91565706
I can't tell if you're making fun of me or not.

>>91565342
>lie in an attempt to prove a point
>>91565706
>complain about delegitimization of journalism

>>91562132
>I know exactly how people in a time before recorded History thought and felt.

>>91562310
>subversive modernist art is a relatively new invention in comparison.

Read Yeats, Pound and Joyce. Modernism isn't particularly any different from the "rediscovery" you described right there.

>>91563436
It inspired planking

>>91565342
what am I wrong about I asked a question

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>>91565773
>An instructional example is lying "in an attempt to prove a point".

>Shitposting and professional journalism should be on the same level.

>>91562957
It's what people used before nu.

>>91565990
You were worried by the post of some autist on 4chan to be a genuine reflection of reality.

>>91562617
>>91562783
>>91564687

Why are we still doing these posts. Please stop. This is tragic.

The idea that newer is better is just as destructive as the idea that everything was better back in the days.

>>91563392
This the japanese planking?

>>91566195
but I was only pretending to be retarded.
>>91564780

>>91566334
You pretended well enough to fool me. You must now either hit yourself on the head with a brick until you actually are as retarded as you pretend to be, or end all of your sarcastic posts with a spoilered winky emote.

I'm leaving the choice of whichever's worse to you because clearly the responsibility for this misunderstanding lies entirely on your end. Clearly.

>>91562812
We need another Renaissance.

>>91566456
;)

>>91566456
,':-^ )

>>91566456
t. someone who takes 4chan way too seriously
@;-)

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>be political science student
>gear up for the so-called "far left" higher academia learning
>every class I've had so far has had to take a centrist position so as not to trigger the university's conservative minority, even during the fall semester of last year's election

You guys are grade-A bullshitters.

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>>91562858
What is interesting is how at least some of these guys seemed to deliberately stylize the living creatures they painted in an eye-pleasing way. They weren't just artists who painted what they saw; they were cartoonists.

>>91566828
>have to take an unbiased position and present the facts instead of your anus I mean opinion
>waahhhhh!

;^)

>>91566828
where do you go to school?

In community college in a metropolitan area, I had some professors that epitomized the far left agenda, but then on a whim I decided to finish my BA at some state school in bumfuck hickville and the left agenda teaching was very minimal. Honestly though I prefer living in the city, as I've learned that the right/far right are so much worse than the left. Usually the /pol/ boogyman of the education focusing only on the leftest agenda is with some of the first classes you'll take in college.

>>91562832
Anon, cave paintings were just drawn with charcoal from the fire pit mixed with some of the fat from the animal who was cooked over that fire, there was no particular special preparation or anything.

>>91566941
>centrist
>unbiased

>>91563871
Is posting this retarded screencap in every thread a new meme or something?

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>>91562858
They're really not. Look at these lions from the Chauvet caves - they're so detailed and expressive that could be contemporary.

You think if he only drew bees, that he'd be Tex Apiary?