Shit this was actually pretty good. Great songs. Moana was cool.

Good movie.
Moana herself was a weak character that was just a retread of the same female character we've seen before with Rapunzel, Anna and Judy.

>>91550273
Would've been more emotionally challenging if it wasn't the Chief's best friend who drowned, but rather his son/Moana's older brother who she never met.

It would explain why Tui & Sina didn't produce more heirs.

>>91550273
Probably Disney's best mainline movie since Toy Story 3

>>91550318
I disagree she's at least better than Anna simply because she wasn't desperately searching for a love interest. Moana never forgot she was trying to save everyone.

>>91550318
I liked her more than I thought I would. Mostly because she was actually flawed and her voice actress did a really good job.

>>91550414
But didn't it seem like Moana was committed to going on this adventure not for herself but for her people? I mean, first try she was doing it for herself, but what really pushed her to try again was learning about how all lives depended on this mission.

I kinda want Moana to be a bit more selfish in her motive. She's basically a straight-A student. There's nothing inherently wrong with her, but well-rounded role models do not make for compelling characters.

>>91550521
She was still only doing it for herself until Maui abandoned her and her Grandma's spirit finally convinced her to change. She would have died right there if Maui didn't block Te Ka and fuck up his hook in the process

>>91550521
>but well-rounded role models do not make for compelling characters
Yes, but keep in mind that Disney princess movies aren't exactly targeted towards your average /co/ user or even your average adult. They're for kids and their parents. She could have been a lot worse.

>>91550625
No, the successful attempt at sailing off the island was a direct response to Grandmother Tala handing the heart & legend off to Moana.

>>91550666
She could have been, but that's no excuse for poor (not really poor, Moana is fine, but just fine) writing.

Nice songs, beautiful movie, but no sense of pacing whatsoever. It spent so much time establishing Moana's motives in the most cliche ways possible (as if we really needed that much explanation for "teenage girl feels trapped at home and wants to see the world") and left little time for anything with any weight. I felt there was nothing for me to grab onto and get invested in.

>>91550521
>Nothing inherently wrong with her
Yeah, but in terms of Disney princesses, she's definitely one of the more flawed ones. She doesn't succeed once in the movie without help, and she keeps her selfish attitude, albeit less so, up until near the end of the movie with 'I am Moana'

>>91550896
When was Moana ever selfish? It's not like she ran away purely out of enjoyment.

Moana needed help to succeed, but she definitely contributed to her goals. She is probably the Disney character with the least amount of help needed to reach her dreams.

>>91551004
>Disney character who needed the least amount of help
>Isn't a single time she didn't need help in the movie

?

Part of me wonders if OP was at the same screening as me tonight.
It's heavily flawed but I still find it very enjoyable. I've re watched it a bunch of times now. Unlike Zootopia where I never felt much need to rewatch it, Moana keeps me coming back.

>>91551145
All Disney characters get help along the way, but some get way more help than others. Moana received little help compared to other characters, but she still needed help just about every step of the way.

Simply put, Moana didn't need her help doing all the heavy lifting. She didn't need a gang to bail her out of prison or anyone to come & save her life. All Moana had really was someone to point her the right direction & some extra muscle when taking on monsters.

>>91551316
Yeah the songs and visuals alone are enough to warrant a rewatch

>>91551413
>Or anyone to come and save her life

She was saved from death multiple times in the movie

>>91550273
The ending was a little odd.
I could understand some of the people leaving the island but not everyone. They had a good place going there that everyone, except Moana, was more than happy with.

>>91553205
If you count the ocean, which killed people all the time & would occasionally punish Moana, then yes. But typically she & Maui evened each other out in saving each others' lives.

>>91553291
I would think that everyone left the island temporarily to stretch out their territory & their legs.

last fart of the Disney revival era. Didn't woo me at all.

Some of the best songs they've made in a long while imo, there wasn't really a single one I went "Eh" to. That and the movie was goddamn gorgeous.

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>>91553581
Definitely one of the best, if not the best looking 3D animated film ever made

>>91553599
Maui's hair. Fucking hell. I need to see this movie a second time so I can ignore the plot and just focus on the CG wizardry.

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I hate how Pua the pig was set up to be the movie's animal sidekick and then was immediately replaced with Heihei the retarded chicken.
He goes with Moana when she first goes on a boat and was featured in the movie's original teaser trailer and then, nothing.
It would of been funny seeing Pua and Heihei work off each other.

>piss jokes in the movie and in the short movie
goddamn it disney

>>91553599
It's definitely a huge step in the right direction compared to some of Disney's previous CG films not counting Pixar.

Has animated humanized Tamatoa animatorbro updated recently?

>>91553291
Presumably with the return of the heart, the ocean's order and state of the islands would begin to unfuck themselves

So I guess why not at least look around

>>91554526
> they stop right before the beatdown

life is pain.

>>91554516
>Not counting Pixar

it looks better than anything Pixars ever made

>>91550273

Miranda's lyricism was definitely on the lazier side for most of the tracks (e.g. i know everybody on this island seems so happy on this island), but structurally they were pretty dang solid.

I really wish the Rock wasn't in it. I love Dwayne, but his singing was acceptable at best and the character never came to life as a character. I was always deeply aware of the fact that I was watching the Rock.

>>91550350

That might have been a bit disruptive to the story structure. What we really needed was a stronger sense of his fear and sublimated anger. Just fifteen to thirty seconds of him showing some serious vulnerability would have really helped.

>>91550521

I don't think that would have helped her character. Initially, she is selfish. She wants to explore, she wants to be free. The conflict comes when she understands what needs to be done but fears that she isn't capable or worthy. If anything, the failure was in not setting up her insecurity earlier. In the beginning, she knows what she wants but is fighting against it because of societal pressure. Later, she suddenly loses that surety in order to hum and haw about her worth. It's not terribly awkward, but it could have been handled better.

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The best part about the movie was the boats

>>91554493

That's a great point. The more I think about it, the more I feel as though Moana was two separate movies that were sewn together with some impressive precision. I enjoyed it, but I can't help but imagine the masterpiece it could have been.

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Did this part make anyone else rock hard?

>>91553291
The big twist in the movie is that Moana is the one trying to keep up traditions, unlike literally every other Disney Princess ever. The villagers were the rebels.

>>91554918
Careful with that mind control fetish you got there. It starts innocent enough, with this "21 Charisma Bard casts charm" stuff, but before you know it you're masturbating to Japanese porn of hypnotized women fucking pigs and making that retarded hand gesture thing.

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>>91554918
You could say that about any scene with Moana herself in it to be honest

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>>91554918
>rock hard

Let's address the elephant in the room - Why did it do worse than the generic talking animal and disney princess movies? Is the era of cultural/historical pieces over?

>>91554972
Well for one it's not a historical culture that anyone in the west cares about (hence why it's doing much better in Japan, because they DO care a little more about Polynesia).

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Cutting Warrior Face was a really dumb choice. It's one of the more interesting aspects of the story (pretend to be something you're not) and looks like it could've been the highlight of the movie.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zg0ruDlPPes

As usual, the most underrated part about the movie is the background music

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pycqku5TLYk

>>91554972
-Completely non white cast
-Barely any cute furbait
-Seemingly not much marketing compared to their previous modern films
-Cast is all relatively unknown except for Dwayne and Lin Manuel (Who isn't technically in the cast)
-Based around a relatively unknown people and their culture
-Actually respected the Polynesian legends, like making Maui unattractive, which could turn some people away

Despite some people calling this movie generic, they actually took quite a few risks with it. It's still a success though, the fact that it's still made over $634 million is quite impressive

>>91550273
It was pretty good, but one thing started to bother me a bit.
It seems like 2010+ disney princesses get increasingly broken powers, for relatively minor challenges. I mean Mulan had a handicap in her gender and had to deal with a massive invasion, while Moana has to deliver a MacGuffin on boat, without getting attacked by tiny pirates, when the freaking ocean does her bidding and she has a song in which she just triumphantly proclaims her name. It feels like the movie coddles Moana and the younger audience that is suposed to identify with her a bit to much.

>>91555051
It bothered me too at first, but then I realized that Moana doesn't really get any powers, she's just doing the ocean's bidding and the ocean helps her out before fucking off once everything's fixed.

The only real "power" she gets is learning how to sail and navigate, and you see her work to achieve both.

>>91554493
No it wouldn't have. The only thing worse than one animal sidekick are two animal sidekicks.

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What was his problem?

>>91555051
The Ocean in the movie is clearly neutral, but still with good intentions. It really only cared about the Heart being returned to Te Fiti.

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>>91555090
Too shiny

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>>91555116

>>91554996

Shiny addresses the same theme and works better by also acting as a contrast to Maui.

>>91555138
Shit, you're right. I can't hear what the asshole is singing.

>>91555081
Yeah I get that, but for me it makes little difference, since the goals of Moana and the ocean align perfectly and he intervenes constantly. Aside from the finale Moana does not need to do much, her learning sailing and navigating was nice, but there was no reason why the ocean could not just safely carry her boat and for a titular protagonist it is a pretty minor accomplishment. Also why I liked Maui it feels slightly wrong that his entire storyline could have easily been cut out of the story.

>>91555253
If the Ocean carried her there no one would have learned anything. The whole reason it chose her, is because she was the only one in her tribe who showed a shred of humanity to something outside of what was on her island. That humanity is what allowed her to connect with Te Ka and eventually return the heart. None of her people could do it, they would never venture out, and continue to stay scared of the water; to never reach out to other places. Maui couldn't do it, he would have stayed selfish, and kept the guilt of having stolen the heart in the first place. The Ocean couldn't do it, because again, that'd fuck everyone else over. Not to mention Te Ka can't even touch water. Moana would still be extremely overconfident, and arrogant to the point of putting others in harms way just so she could succeed at something. The whole lesson here isn't just about returning what was stolen, it's learning along the way.

Zootopia was better, more enganging.

>>91555343
The part about Moanas own arrogance is really good, I had not considered that before. However it still feels like a guided tour, where Moana has to do something very simple at the end. I think it would have been a better movie if the ocean would not have helped at all, if she would have just found the MacGuffin and then she and Maui would have made there way solely on their own. As it is now the ocean feels kinda like Moanas puppeteer.

>>91555081
She runs up cliffs like they're nothing, her natural endurance was weirdly superhuman

Best 3d movie thus far, but still not Frog tier

>>91550273
It sucked if you don't count that Moana is qt.

>>91550273
Too much songs, some of them really good, others just filler. Interesting premise and execution, inescapable Disney ending but better than usual. 7/10

>>91554996

The full version is on the soundtrack. It's just kinda basic and a bit boring, the only interest from it comes with the visuals wheras the rest of the soundtrack holds up just listening, The axed Maui campfire song was incredibly boring too and was a disguised plot dump. You're Welcome was vastly superior.

The real interesting axed song was More. It was clearly finished and ready for the film and is pretty hummable. It even had a reprise. Maybe when the film got that late rewrite downplaying Maui's role (and removing the 'twist' discovery that he was responsible for fucking up the world) they felt they had to make the song more powerful and vocally challenging and rewrote it to be How Far I'll go.

It's kinda weird how Disney are doing these massive, late rewrites completely changing the plot and it isn't backfiring for them. Tangled, Frozen, Zootropolis and Moana all had their core plots completely rewritten really late on and it all worked well.

Guessing Gigantic is going to be completely different from the "daughter of a storm giant finds a tiny playmate" plot they've talked about so far given they delayed it 9 months or so to November 2018. Just hoping it isn't their first disaster.

>>91550273
I liked it a lot and ended up seeing it twice in theaters cause friends.

I enjoyed pretty much all the songs, and since it's a Disney musical and the songs make up half the movie time THATS REALLY IMPORTANT.

>>91555498

That seriously bothered me. She displays more athletic ability than a fucking demigod. I think a people are starting to notice that Disney keep making their princesses perfect (with only minor 'acceptable' flaws) and their male characters liars/criminals/anti-social

MMM FISH DINNERS

>>91556824
It quite literally shows us in the movie that her athleticism is the one thing she has going for her

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Kino

>>91555007
>tfw no one ever mentions the music on /co/ or /a/
thank you anon

>>91563827
It's bullshit, the little mermaid and aladdin's best songs are all instrumental too but nobody realizes it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HYrYrwcNZtA

>>91556624
I know /co/ flips their shit whenever women aren't subservient but the part where Maui is trying to explain himself and Te Fiti looks annoyed as all hell is the funniest fucking thing I've ever seen

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>>91564319
So thicc her hips practically create mountains

>>91564794
Ain't that the next movie

>>91564794
they don't call her the mother island for nothing

>>91566505
Tangled made 2.3 times its budget
Moana made 4.3 times its budget and is still making money in Japan

Feels good

>>91566845
Is it beating Zootopia in Japan?

>>91561714

Bit of a shame that they changed her lava design to something androgynous from the 'lava hag' they were originally going to go with but I guess they wanted to try and keep the twist a surprise.

>>91566845

Tangled was a big gamble for Disney, going away from post modern 'knowing' comedies back to traditional fairy tales.

Plus it had a really troubled production history. Was originally A Shrek style spoof, then it basically became Enchanted 2 (guy goes to fairy tale world) and at somepoint it had a neat 'moving oil painting' art style.

It's not a good film to compare to for profits.

It's also not enough for Disney to make a profit on an animated feature. Disney Animation studios generally get 1 film a year, that film HAS to make megabucks in an age of Marvel, Star Wars and Frozen.

>>91568074
I was really wrong, since way back in the concept art age I thought Moana was supposed to be related to the volcano goddess (who I thought was Pe'le) a la some sort of grandmother willow dynamic

>>91568191
By not enough to make a profit are you talking about Tangled or Moana?

bampu

>>91550273
Lyrically, the songs felt stilted, but I still enjoyed their overall feel. In comparison to Frozen, I think Moana did a significantly better job of weaving the musical numbers into the film.

>>91550273
Too much time was spent on the boring ass island and she only had like one real adventure before facing hotstuff, making the movie as a whole rather dull. They should have cut everything before Maui and filled out the rest of the movie with questing.

>>91550458
Moana was flawed?

>>91579281
Yes

>>91550273
I think Te Ka needed more of a presence.

>>91579431
I think the point was to make her as obscure as possible before the climax

>>91579281
She was a haughty ass motherfucker

>>91579281
tumblr speak

>>91561714
The way they had Te-Ka coming from the left and going to the right was really cool and stood out to me, instead of going from right to left on the screen.

>>91579281
She was gonna run off on her people in the beginning and she tried to quit near the end, I wouldn't say flawed but she's definitely more complex than most disney girls.

>>91551316
Well Zootopia was preachy memebait.

>>91554783
I think he was talking about quality of the film itself. Frozen, Zootopia, Big Hero 6, Tangled ranged from banal to shit.

>>91554882
He's kind of a hack imo, but then again this movie is the first time that it felt like the songs were kidz bop versions of broadway hit's so I'll go easy on him.

I thought the Rock was quite good, but maybe that's because the character was like the Rock?

>>91554972
Non-whites. I'm fine with the decision but unless you make the characters chinese it's always going to lose you money.

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>>91585466
>But maybe that's because his character was like the Rock

Well, yeah

>>91554957

Soo... Traditions are good or bad things? Because Disney has said in every movie that traditions are bad...

>>91586539
it depends

it's unfair to generalize that all traditions are bad

if the tradition limits individuals from progressing and knowing themselves, then of course it's bad

if the tradition forms an identity that bolsters a community to a stronger social unit, then it's good

>>91555090
He just loved free food, and she looked like seafood.

>>91585805
Die Maui Die

>>91554972
It's a princess animation so the movie is made for girls in mind but little girls don't like it cause:
they prefer traditional princesses
there is no hot boy

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>>91588072
What would you have done in Tamatoa's situation here?

All this movie explained was that Hawaiians are a disease that plague one island to the next. Using up one island resources, until there's nothing else, then getting on boats and going to the next one forever.

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>>91550273

This movie was garbage

1. Boring characters. Both of them look disgusting. Moana look generic at best.

2. Entire boring plotline on the fucking boat

3. Rehashed backstories. Moana is an Ariel rip off

4. Jokes are flat or they trying to be meta

5. Songs were horrible, so forgetable and not catchy at all. They were mostly spewing exposition in most cases.

6. The forced chicken and little tatooguy tried too hard as typical Disney mascots

7. The cute lovable pig was false advertising, and didn't actually go on the quest as the trailers implied he would

8. That fucking ending, good to know the main hero is responsible for the death of everyone who ever dies, and not only goes scott free, but also gets rewarded

Seriously fuck this movie. A typical production made by black suits and created out of every Disney archetype. Seriously making a main character a woman or black will automatically have critics rate this as 95% on rotten tomatoes. Fucking brainless SJW's.

>>91588884
>Hawaiians
Dude, Hawaii's in the middle of friggin nowhere. And compared to most of Oceana it's huge. Samoans might be able to get away with that shit, but Hawaiians settled and formed civilization.

>>91588884
t. dumb Americlap

>>91577920
>Over 100 posts and the pasta is just now being posted

Shitposters are slacking

>>91588954
Meant for
>>91588920

>>91588954
>>91588970

Still true tho.

>>91550273
Ay, I finally saw this too.

Not perfect (I definitely feel the "two different movies patchworked together" criticism), but really cute and gorgeous to look at, as Disney does. Moana's development comes through strongly in the songs, which to me felt less like expositional interludes than Frozen/Tangled's songs did. Obviously, this isn't true for the whole soundtrack, but in the songs that focus on her and her tribe and its history there's the clear theme of self-discovery and finding your place. I keep thinking about that progression from Where You Are to Know Who You Are.

Felt bad that the pig didn't come along on the journey, though.

>>91588920
kys

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>mfw "polynesians" pretended to be offended by this movie