Jack's dialogue was really out of place. Why was he so cheerful

>>91414149
He's starting to regain hope

He's not a completely depressed shit like me

>>91414149

I found this episode to be extremely funny, but not in the way that the writers probably intended.

>>91414149
He was making light of the situation. It's a survival tactic to avoid giving up hope

>>91414149
>Why was he so cheerful and optimistic?

He only does something 'cheerful' twice, and it's because Ashi is either making him uncomfortable or trying to do so.

>>91414149

You'd be happy too if after fifty years of being suicidally depressed and mostly on your own you finally got the chance to have someone to talk to. And this is different from the doggos because he's forced to talk to her in order to perform the work of continuing to keep her alive while also restrained, so he gets out of feeling like he's being selfish for trying to make a companion.

>>91414149
Because they realize that teen titans go is the better show and that Jack needs to be more like beast boy

He's probably just happy he has someone to talk to that isn't an alien, a monster or some robot trying to kill him. Just a rapable human female.

>>91414149
He was trying to build a connection with Ashi so that she could trust him.

>>91414149

>Cheerful and Optimistic

That was literally only when he was taking the quils off

Because she's probably the first person he's talked to in 20 years.

>>91414149
yes, because people cant change to cheerful? idiot

He's having a complete mental breakdown. Now he's deluding himself into believing that everything is going to be just because he finally has someone to talk to who isn't a hallucination despite that person wanting to kill him at every turn.

The acupuncture joke was stupid, and I don't mean the joke's content. They tried to make the situation awkward and it just didn't feel like Jack, rather just using the characters to play out this ungodly comedy so many people use, very forced awkward humor.

Jack's awkward moments were always silence, and he spoke when talked to most of the time, very quickly and back to being quiet.

The humor just feels more "modern", like what is always given to us now, rather than what it was like in the old seasons. It doesn't even have to be that way, just write it more silent.

I go in and out of liking some of his lines, they just don't feel like him, even if they may be funny at times.

>>91415170
Your opinions are wrong and you should feel bad for having them.

>>91414149
>talks to himself for 50 years
>finally meets human being he can talk to
>tries awkward small talk

is this unbelievable?

>>91414149
>Jack's dialogue was really out of place.
Watch the original series, if you think so. He's still the same person.

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Jack is merely regaining his smile and optimism from the last episode.

>>91414149
He finally has someone to talk to after 50 years of being alone?

honestly can't tell if jack is spilling spaghetti is just having a grandpa moment.
>you faggots seem to forget jack is like 70 years old, its perfectly reasonable for him to be senile and thus making nonsense dialogue

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>>91415453
this guy gets it

>people in this thread assuming Jack hadn't talked to other people in 50 years
Why are jackfags always making retarded assumptions? Just because he's depressed doesn't mean he lost his ability to alleviate a tense situations.

>>91415453

I'll begin by saying I don't agree with these stupid b8 threads and think his dialogue is fine.

That out of the way, I'm also going to point out that senility is a function of physical brain problems that happen when you age. Jack isn't aging, his brain isn't losing its structural integrity, and therefore he has no reason to be senile.

>>91415544
I guess he had to talk to someone to get his armor but that's it. He's a paranoid wreak that thinks Aku will beat his ass at any given moment.

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The O N L Y Jack line I have weird vibes with is the "You are very troubled" thing. I don't know what exactly that type of joke is called, but I've seen it more and more in recent shows.

I'm only slightly autistic I promise, I just can't figure out how to word my opinions here, especially since I can't name the joke type and have to skip around it's details.

>literally the only person on /co/ who has an issue with this shit

>>91415544
well 50s is a bit of a stretch, tho it would be safe to say that he hasnt really had meaningful social contact in a long time. it could be decades or could just be a few years, either way jack does show signs of social deprivation .

>>91415544

First thing they show you is how he doesn't stay to talk with the doggos, in noticeable contrast with how he would've been in the earlier seasons (they even use the same enemies, the beetle robots, to make sure this contrast happens in your head). The obvious implication if you aren't autistic and have been paying attention is that after he lost his sword he's changed from being a somewhat hopeful guy on a mission to save everyone to being a cynicial / pragmatic survivor loner who knows he's just prolonging the inevitable. The beard and unkempt hair also communicate his switch from how he was earlier to someone who's lost his way and needs to be on his own now. His hallucinations also tell you this, they happen because he's all alone and stuck with the festering doubts of his own mind multiplying until they're literally audible like anything else around him in the real world is. Try criticizing less and paying attention more.

>>91415544
Maybe not 50 whole years, but considering how Jack just saved the Emoji family and left without a word, plus he didn't bother to reciprocate anything the Scatman bot was saying, it could be safe to assume he has never really talked to anyone because he feels his only purpose now is to save people.

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>talking to the camera

>>91415570
>not senile
>basically each episode has shown jack talking to things that arent there
sure anon.

>>91415751

Schizophrenia isn't senility.

>>91415607
you aren't alone, I guess it almost sounded like something someone would tell someone whose talking shit on the sidewalk and not to an assassin chained up in the woods if that makes any sense

>>91415607

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comedic_device#Understatement

>>91414149
>Why was he so cheerful and optimistic?

Relief that he didn't kill all of them? A chance to make up for having to kill the others? Finally having someone other than a suicidal hallucination to talk to?

special forces survival guides stress the importance of keeping up your spirits and retaining hope while struggling to survive

>>91415768
>this anon has clearly never been around old people
Ok anon.
>i honestly just don't have the energy to debate someone on an anonymous internet forum about fictional beings right now
....Why am i even here again?

>>91414149
It was fine though.

>>91414149
You're confusing Jack with Ghost Jack. Ghost Jack is not his actual temperament.

>>91415867

There's nothing to debate. His brain hasn't aged. You literally cannot go senile with the brain of a man in his twenties or thirties. His hallucinations are because he's mentally ill. Old people don't just magically go senile because they've been around for a while, it's something to expect in old age because that's what the consequences of brain deterioration are. If you were magically kept from aging you would never go senile even in a million years because your brain wouldn't deteriorate.

Youd be happy and cheerful too if you just killed a bunch of teenage girls.

>>91415817
50/50, not completely what I'm thinking but it does touch on half of it

>>91415788
Same here, but I feel both of you get what I'm saying enough for it to be understood.

thanks guys

>>91416046

Describe more what it doesn't touch on.

>>91416019
you don't know the extent as to how his aging has stopped
you're making things up that aren't there

>>91416029
>no one could even arrest you, even if they were good

>>91416121
They already explained it was because of Aku's magic, and that sending him to the future effected his aging process.

It's as simple as "He's not senile because magic."

>>91416121

>you're making things up that aren't there

You're the one making something up that isn't there. Aku already confirmed Jack stopped aging as a side effect of the time travel magic. This means he stopped aging until someone / something else in the story says otherwise. His brain continuing to age is your own retarded fanfiction idea.

>>91416074
I dunno, I've found trying to describe what people don't get to make it more construed than what I'm thinking.

Fuck, it's like he's pointing it out in this weird way and I don't know what it's called or whatever. Maybe it's the tone? Yea it's an understatement line but it's more of how he says it, but the understatement part is definitely a factor.

I bet if I could accurately explain shit that bothers me my life would be pretty great.

>>91416268

Don't stress out about being perfect. But do try to describe it. Whatever little bits you can put into words, do it now. It's the only way you'll move towards an answer.

>>91414149
He was alone for a long time. Having company really cheered him up. Even from an enemy.

>>91415453
Saneility happens with an aging brain.
jack doesn't age.

>>91416268
like he's saying it in a "armchair psychologist" kind of way?

Because he realized Aishi is literally him, except distorted.

If he can convince Aishi he's right, that basically proves he can "beat" Aku.

>>91416174
>>91416245
Alright, you want to take it literally and argue what is and isn't possible? Let's ignore all the magic and monsters, Jack's brain shouldn't be able to hold memories as he's stopped aging. He should just be in a comatose state. He shouldn't need to eat. His wounds should not be able to heal.

How about he's just fucked up because magic.

Also, I'm not that other guy arguing for jack going senile.

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>>91414149
She's probably the first human being he's talked to in a long time.

>>91416298
That's all I got my man. It's just the tone I guess, or the inflection, whichever. I've heard it in stuff before like "You are WAAAYYY messed up dude!" but it's a much less effect, and it bothers me slightly more that it's Jack saying it that way and not anyone else.

Either way I'm glad someones willing to hear me out autistically finding the right words for my annoyance.

>>91415867
>This anon has confused dementia and senility
Ok anon.

>>91416387
in a way, i suppose

>>91416413

Aging isn't the same as daily bodily processes still happening you brainlet. Your hair doesn't turn grey just because your body's still digesting food. I don't even understand how you can be this stupid. When you get old enough your body stops getting maintained properly and everything starts to unravel until you die. That's totally different from your daily biological processes still happening each day when you're in your 20s or 30s.

>>91416514
Well I guess I'm not well versed in how fictional evil arcane magics work, I'm sure glad we have an expert in this thread.

>>91416381
He ages mentally anon

>>91416514
>Your hair doesn't turn grey just because your body's still digesting food
aging isnt strictly limited to grey hair

existing every day = aging

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It's like you fuckers never watcher the 4 first seasons.
He always had goofy moments. It's not because it's season 5 and is rated for blood that the show will switch to 100% depression. Oh well, maybe for Aku.

>>91416560

>existing every day = aging

No, unless you have progeria. Gerontology isn't the study of how bodies change every day regardless of age. There's a special collection of events that take place after your body's been around for a long time and the processes that normally keep it going start to do a progressively worse job at keeping shit together. This doesn't happen every day of your life, it begins after you've lived long enough for a bunch of possibilities for bodily repair errors to begin multiplying until they're actualized as physical changes seen in the elderly.

>>91416560
As the show states, it's a SLOW aging process. Sure, technically he's still a day older every 24 hours, but compared to a regular human he's probably only aged a millisecond.

>>91416559
That isn't the same. Becoming senile is due to physical changes in the body.

>>91414149
Sexy girls awaken a peacocking instinct. We call this Demonstrating Value. Also in this episode he Engaged Physically and Nurtured Dependence.

>>91416575
It's both a blessing and a curse mako was the first Aku, because we saw the end of the rainbow, but now we must deal with it never being reachable again through no fault of anyone but time.

If this is just a shitty lines thread,

>"what were you expecting, a hug and a kiss?"
>making the puffball british at all and still Tara

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>Sad Jack noticed Ashi missing before Jack did

>>91417190
Eh, if I really had to defend it, it was probably just that feeling of presence being gone. Like that atmospheric change when someone enters the room behind you.

In this case it's close to a "the monster's right behind me isn't it?" thing, but just "she's gone" here. Still, taken at face value it's kinda weird.

>>91415170
Jack's a fucking dork.

>what is ptsd
it's like you fucks are retarded or something

>>91415170
>Water Beetle!

>>91414149
Bad writing. His 50 year old fruitless struggle is overcome by having a chick around.

>>91415607

Those awkward lines aren't new to Samurai Jack

>Looks like there won't be any money for you, crazy round man!
>If you are me then who am I?
>You see, Aku, I'm smart, and you're pure evil.

>>91415170
No.

>>91415170
I agree. "Many people pay a lot of money for this" sounds like modern day bullshit. If he had said "In my times there was this ancient healing art, it's called, acupuncture" would have fit his character better, and have the punchline of the joke be Ashi rising one brow and some other stupid face by Jack.

>wahhh why isn't jack depressed and moody like me

>>91418371
Jacks lived in the future longer than the past at this point

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He's been depressed and under stress for the past episodes and for, as it seems, years prior. The issue here was him suddenly being more upbeat out of nowhere, especially with an assassin that has done nothing but push him into trouble, bitch and moan about wanting his blood, and can't make any other face to him than constipation tier.

The writers just decided to put in jokes they'd find funny in a different situation rather than keeping with his stress and having him at least rather grow out of it. They quickly jumped to the "evil bitch who's helpless and the guy that's good and can now make snide remarks" dynamic because they really wanted to get to it apparently.

At this point it's not if the jokes were funny or not, it's that they were quickly placed after episodes where Jack is seeing visions of his dying family, thinking about suicide, and having guilt trips of killing humans. They just really couldn't wait for this funny setup.

>>91418638
Man I am really glad I didn't go in with the expectations you guys did.

Anyone have a stream?

>>91418371
Riding a motorcycle and carrying a machine gun is very modern. Jack's changed, he's modernized.

Like >>91418634

Said. He's 70-80 years old and most of that's been spent in the strangest fucking future anyone could imagine

>>91418634
>>91418737
It could have been a heartwarming scene to see him being reminiscent of the past, and help the development of Ashi's friendliness to him.

>>91418717
It's not expectations, it's watching the series as it goes and getting tonal whiplash.

>>91418778
It could have been a lot of things. You can't judge something based on what it could be.

>>91418814
I judge their lack of judgement for choosing this bland joke out of all the possibilities it could have been like you said.

>>91418638
it's a coping trope, he went from killing zero people to killing 6 people and didn't want to kill the last one because it would have been a straight up execution instead of self defense

>>91419561
It wasn't about killing her, it was about joking with her right after showing he's fallen farther than the average hero slump. I could see it as a coping mechanism, but the thing is they didn't focus on that very well if so.

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Help a nigga PLEASE, it's about to air!

Stream where?

>>91419791
anon today is sunday

>>91419034
Your version of the joke is shit, anon.

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>>91414149
>>91412669 (OP) #
Why was Episode XCV rated TV-14 DLV?

The first three episodes have all been TV-14 for Violence only. I guess I can understand suggestive dialogue, but the worst piece of language I heard was scum.

>>91418371
People would have still paid money for it back in the past, its not like exchange of currency for service is some modern day idea.

If it really bugs you, think of it as a very luxurious thing few would be able to afford, and as the son of an emperor and empress, he would often see his father or mother pay highly for experts, hence his knowledge of it

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>>91414149
>Why was he so cheerful and optimistic?

>>91420000
You rate a series, not individual episodes.

where the mega at

>>91418638
It's called a breather episode.

You can't do ten episodes with nothing but murder, suicide, and grimdark shit.

>>91420110
I think he just meant the expression

>>91420490
Then in the episode figure out a way for him to cool down instead of just making quips right then and there

>>91420168
That only applies to kids' shows since S&P's gotta be consistent with their censorship to play it safe.

Sure, adult animated series will usually keep a consistent TV rating throughout their run as well, but the reasons for each episode's rating (DLSV) can still differ.

In Samurai Jack S5's case, I assumed that all 10 episodes would be TV-14 V; Genndy pretty much said that he wanted to keep the spirit of the original series, just with the use of real blood now. For some reason, though, last night's episode was TV-14 DLV (Suggestive Dialogue and Language). Did anybody notice any mature language?

>>91414149
>cheerful and optimistic


are you fucking high

>>91419888
What the fuck? Was I thrown into the future? It was Friday night, I wake up, it's 6 PM, waited until 10 PM and started getting ready to watch the episode. I'm seriously freaking out what happened to me?

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>>91414149
>Why was he so cheerful and optimistic?
He wants Ashi's sweet ass. Isn't it obvious? I'm not joking btw

>>91414149
I thought it was because he is old. Old people make lighter of life

>>91421725
I THOAD YOU INTO DA FUTURE
WHERE MY SHITPOSTS ARE LAW

>>91420563
>quips
Come on, dog

>>91414149
For once in 50 years there's someone who actually gives him hope. Hanging with Ashi is much better than his blue Ghost telling him to kill himself.

>>91421873
>coming from you, hideous isn't bad

>>91421913
Did that one remark bother you? I could swear that was the only time he was being a smartass to Ashi,

>>91421952
That was an example, the rest of his sudden lack of silence and prior mood was the issue.

>>91421987
50 years is a long time to be alone.

>>91421987
Well he's not gonna win her over by being fucking silent

>>91414566
>And this is different from the doggos
I don't know what you're referring to here.

>>91418638
What is "coping"

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>Hair pointed upwards
>Annoying voice
>Wants MC to die and tries to kill him
>Starts to have doubts after seeing the beauty of Earth and its creatures preserved by the MC

Ashi is Peridot.

>inb4 Ashi is still has some reluctance towards accepting Jack fully and insults him every now and then.

>>91416019
>because that's what the consequences of brain deterioration are. If you were magically kept from aging you would never go senile even in a million years because your brain wouldn't deteriorate.

Your brain doesn't deteriorate. It's the rest of your body that deteriorates, and that deterioration slowly kills your brain and/or forces it to disable parts of itself to ensure the rest continues to operate. For instance, senility is actually a vascular issue.

If we had the technology to provide a brain with everything it needs to function properly in a jar, then it would literally never die. It would continue to function forever until the power was shut off.

>>91422567
>>91421567
Stop being a piece of autism. It's the female villain that eventually gets redeemed character. Same shit been done for decades.

It's sad any time Jack references something people only talk about it if it syncs with SU.

>>91414149
He finally has some one to talk to.

>>91422629
The brain is not exempt from the hayflick limit

>>91422634
Ashi has also been compared to Vegeta.

>>91422665

As a matter of fact, it is. Several parts of the brain produce telomerase.

>>91421790
how you kill that juisy ass

>>91418638
>At this point it's not if the jokes were funny or not, it's that they were quickly placed after episodes where Jack is seeing visions of his dying family, thinking about suicide, and having guilt trips of killing humans. They just really couldn't wait for this funny setup.
Fuck you, I love mood whiplash.

>>91423537
>Making jokes while being severely depressed, thinking about your family dying and contemplating suicide

This is actually exactly what depression is like.

>>91414149
Because that is his way of coping with depression.

You'd be surprised how cheerful and optimistic depressed people are.

If anything, i was hoping him saying something like "oh, thank you" after ashii was knocked out
Would've been more funny than the awkward "hello?"

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>>91414149
Healing doggo reignited his purpose

>>91414149

Maybe he found a short term task he could accomplish and didn't have time to brood (except when talking to himself)

Or maybe we needed a contrasted episode that isn't death and despair like the first 3.

>>91426877
Didn't anyone watch the first half of ep3? That was dedicated to Jack mellowing the fuck out

>>91418638

I really, really wanna know what guys like you expected. It's like you never watched the original Samurai Jack. There was corny bullshit mixed in with action all the time. If anything, this episode was more in-character than the last few have been.

We're you just expected a never-ending angst fest? Like, Linkin Park: The Animated Series? I'm getting pretty tired of the "adult means grimdark" meme. Get out of here.

>>91427006
>We're you just expected a never-ending angst fest? Like, Linkin Park: The Animated Series? I'm getting pretty tired of the "adult means grimdark" meme. Get out of here.
You misunderstood everything, I want him to go back to old Jack, but it needs to be a progression.

Yea there was humor and action at the same time in the older series, but they never had Jack thinking about suicide or having hallucinations of his parents saying they're dead and it's his fault, with imagery of his dad burning.

Making jokes is fine, but they should have eased into it instead of just being there.

>>91426726
Could Jack take the knot though?

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Jack is trying to get Ashi to fall for her and trying to make small talk.

>>91418638
>I don't understand mood swings

>>91414221
>He's starting to regain hope
But why? He had no reason to have hope until Ashi decided not to attack at the end.

>>91427140
HEALING.
DOGGO.
Come on guys did you all just go blind for those 11 minutes?

>>91416542
>>91416560
Why must you be so retarded?

>>91427064

There was progression. You're acting like Jack became Bozo the clown overnight. Jack was still haunted every bit as much as before. (ie murder-crows, puffball, anti-jack, etc.) He was literally swallowed by a giant monster with a slim chance of survival and stuck with a misguided youth set on slaughtering him that his guilt won't let him abandon/kill. There's almost the fact he's essentially been a hermit up to now and socially retarded at this point. That's a shit sandwich if there ever was one. There had to be some kind of padding in there. They eased into as best they cod given the circumstances.

>>91422841
Spears, swords, and fists, apparently.

And again, /co/'s opinion is pure shit

>>91414149
maybe he's not all depressed and autistic. remember that jack in the previous seasons was cheerful at times and sad at other times, one episode he could be having fun with the scotsman and his FAT wife, and the next he could be moping about seeing some portal back to the past being destroyed.

he's not just an angsty sad samurai, he's also a real human been who can make lighthearted commentary and jokes, it doesn't even need to be tied to ashi like some people say, but i think that having someone else to talk instead of his suicidal ghost persona is nice and is bringing out good feels