Is this franchise the ultimate hipster killer? >Based on

>>91363354
Bay is true kinomaker

god I hope this one turns out to be good, atleast 60% RT would get the job done.

What number are we on, anyway?

>>91363354
>Transformers were never cool to normies
??????????

>>91363354
You forgot
>Alienates the fanbase it should cater to

>>91364313
>Get's 90%+ on Rotten tomatoes
>Hailed as Bay's magnum opus
>Gets nominated for 6 oscars
>Normies and critics who hated on the others don't know how to react

Would be great

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>tfw it's probably gonna be shit
>tfw seriously enjoyed Dark of the Moon for what it is

As a wanna be film snobs, I actually like Bay. I just wish he'd stop making advertisments for toy robots and direct more stuff like Pain and Gain or Bad Boys 2.

>>91365258
This is what I predict

>>91363354
It's also a fake-hipster generator.

After the movies came out, you see more people going
>GAWD, THE GEEWUN CARTOONS ARE MUCH BETTER!
even though these are the people that you know for sure, haven't watched the G1 cartoons.

>>91365638
you are incredibly paranoid

>>91365638
This. Unless you literally grew up with G1 as your first transformers media, there's a 99% chance you liked some other one better.

>>91365664
You assume the movies are the second best transformers media

>>91365296
Dark of the Moon had a lot of great moments. That were weighed down by shitty ones. Stuff like Starscream and Shockwave going down like bitches. Sam wearing a watch on the right wrist and WAVING IT AROUND A ROOM FULL OF PEOPLE WHO DEAL IN SECURITY CLEARANCES when he's right handed. Mostly little stuff other than that.

RotF was disappointing, but I respect he still made the movie. It happened during the writers strike, and had he waited he pretty well would have fired 500 people. Plus he keeps trying to make each one bigger and grander. I don't always like the guy bit he's got a good work ethic.

>>91365717
don't forget the falling building scene which had literally no impact on the movie despite taking up a ridiculous amount of time

>>91365327
>Bad Boys 2
My fucking nigga.
One of the most underrated "buddy cop movies" out there"

>>91365702
I mean, it's understable if the reasoning is G1 > movies but there's a million other things that are either better or appeal to specific tastes better.

>>91365717
Are you implying that Starscream dying like a fucking bitch to hapless fool Sam Witwicky wasn't the most fitting end possible? I really thought so.

Reminder that Tessa and Shane's relationship was already 100% legal without the need of any Romeo and Juilet laws.

Reminder that the Romeo and Juilet law scene was left in the finished film while the scene of the Autobots dancing in the church was cut out despite being fully finished.

>>91365745
It was absurdly drawn out and robbed us of seeing a good fight. We could have got like 3 on 1 Wreckers vs Starscream instead.

The movies are all shit.

They fail to capitalize on any of the significant nostalgia or aesthetic of the 80s G1 cartoons & comics... or even the contemporary comics for that matter only loosely adapting bastardized concepts as throw away elements in each movie with little if any follow through.

They are ultimately another textbook case of Hollywood being embarrassed of the source material so the aesthetic of everything id organic and shiny so it's "believable" and even then they still bury the robots under tons of boring human focused scenes.

Bastardized adaptations of beloved characters with only Optimus Prime and Megatron retaining any of their original novelty. This, of course, is ultimately negated by Bay's constant need to turn Optimus Prime into some Zack Snyder killing machine and relegate Megatron to the background of every movie as a pointless and inconsequential element.

Cinematography is just terrible and exhausting to watch. All too often impressive scenes are cut short by cut-aways to obligatory awkward scenes of human drama while we see in the distance the robots have already started fighting.

And fuck, the toys for the movies aren't even good anymore, they're just McDonalds Happy meal grade overpriced garbage.

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>>91365327
>>91365731
Bad Boys 1 and 2 are some of the best buddy action cop films on the planet. If you don't know this then you are wrong!

>>91366000
>They fail to capitalize on any of the significant nostalgia or aesthetic of the 80s G1 cartoons & comics... or even the contemporary comics for that matter only loosely adapting bastardized concepts as throw away elements in each movie with little if any follow through.


Wanna know how I know you're not a Transformers fan?
You think the only things that exist are G1 and the newer comics and have absolutely no clue that it's been going on steadily since the 80s

You are what this anon described >>91365638

>>91363354
>female lead
>implying girls are into transformers
I know it won't bomb, but I hope it bombs.

>>91366244
>>implying girls are into transformers

please be a troll and not actually this dumb.

>>91366229
Actually I'm a huge fan and have been one since the late 80s when I was a kid watching this stuff syndicated in the early mornings.

And by "contemporary" I mean everything after G1 and onward including G2, Machine Wars, Beast Wars, etc. And guess what, everything is still bastardized in the movies no matter what era it comes from and still capitalizes on none of the nostalgia.

And further more any real Transformer fan would tell you that G1 is the gold standard, ergo why it's basis for the modern comics and auxiliary toy lines.

>>91366248
Transformers is predominantly a "boy" themed franchise. Are you denying that?

>>91366299

No, but transformers has a shit. ton. of female fans. What, you thought all the gay porn we've been getting since the 80's was drawn by men?

>>91366312
Why the fuck do you care about gay transformers porn.

>>91366323

> you say that girls don't care about transformers
> I give an example that proves they do
> "why do you care about that, anon?"

>>91366332
If you care about gay porn, then why do you want female characters?

>>91366344
>Who the fuck do you think makes all that gay fanart? There are girls into TFs these days, they aren't the majority but they certainly exist

That was exactly my point. Did you meant to quote the other guy?

>>91366248
Who the fuck do you think makes all that gay fanart? There are girls into TFs these days, they aren't the majority but they certainly exist

>>91366268
>everything is still bastardized in the movies no matter what era it comes from and still capitalizes on none of the nostalgia.
There is no generalized idea of nostalgia, there might be G1 nostalgia, or Beast Era nostalgia, but there is no "Transformers nostalgia" for Transformers fans because we've had a show on the air literally nonstop since the franchise came out, it never went away, maybe you're forgetting RiD, Armada, Energon, Cybertron, Animated, Prime, Rescue Bots, and RiD the second, not to mention all the various comics

It isn't about nostalgia, Bayformers is it's own thing like every other version of Transformers is

>And further more any real Transformer fan would tell you that G1 is the gold standard, ergo why it's basis for the modern comics and auxiliary toy lines.

Kek, I love G1, but I really think you haven't watched any of it

>>91366360
Yeah I did, and I fucked up the post twice

>>91366358

gay robots are not incompatible with human females, anon.

>>91366379
I don't disagree with that, I just think "girl power" is a really stupid angle for Transformers.

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>>91366426
You said girls don't like Transformers, they do.
The movie has one kid female sidekick that they're kind of playing up because it's something different than the last 4 movies have given us, how small is your dick that this makes you insecure and go into /pol/ cuck mode?

Go watch a Milo video and off yourself

>>91366363
Just because G1 the cartoon has aged like sour milk doesn't mean it's characters and depictions of the characters aren't the norm. And yes, it is the core Nostalgia. And whether you want to argue what kind of nostalgia there is for Transformers, the Bayformers capture none of it.

Face it, you're just being contrarian to try and claim some sort of fanboy high ground and you're failing. Go ahead, respond again with another vague and superfluous goal post move or round about dismissal.

>>91363354
I liked Age of extinction very much. Especially the acting of Wahlberg, Tucci and Chinese actress. The whole series kick ass: mechas, mystery of life, connection between humans and machines, morals and their influence on characters' actions. All these features make the series a blockbuster.

>>91366426

Then you should have said so from the start intead of talking out of your ass.

>>91366363
Generation One is TRANSFORMERS

It's what every other iteration and spin-off of the franchise are based off of and the golden rule which everything comes back to.

>>91365762
>Reminder that the Romeo and Juilet law scene was left in the finished film
That was so fucking weird.

>>91366504
>just call him /pol/
Fuck off. I have no reason to go to that shithole.

>>91366588
Fair enough, then stop acting like a little faggot and getting mad because the new movie has a girl, jesus fucking christ you queer

>>91366552
>It's what every other iteration and spin-off of the franchise are based off
Yep, that's usually how things go when they're....based off something else , everything is based off the first one
Who'da thunkit
>and the golden rule which everything comes back to.
Not at all, that really only even became a thing again when Bayformers and Animated came out lol, most other shows did their own thing and had no interest in paying homage to the original other than simply using character names, like always having and Optimus and Megatron, Autobots and Decepticons, etc etc

>>91366535
>And yes, it is the core Nostalgia. And whether you want to argue what kind of nostalgia there is for Transformers, the Bayformers capture none of it.
>Face it, you're just being contrarian to try and claim some sort of fanboy high ground and you're failing. Go ahead, respond again with another vague and superfluous goal post move or round about dismissal.

No, see, like I said....you're not a TF fan, you haven't been following the series for years, maybe you watched it as a little kid but that's it, for us who have been fans the entire time nothing has changed, Bayformers is just another alternate universe on top of the many we already have, and Transformers NEVER went anywhere for us

You can only have nostalgia for something that was gone, Transformers was always there....you can have nostalgia for a particular series, comic, toyline, etc, but not for the brand as a whole, and the brand as a whole represents a multiverse and everyone has their favorites and least favorites

You really do just seem like some chump who watched G1 and maybe a couple episodes of Beast Wars as a kid and think you're part of the fanbase, you're not

>>91366687
>>91366705
Dreamwave and IDW were doing G1 Transformer comics before Bayformers and Animated.

Masterpiece series and G1 reissues were out before Bayformers and Animated.

G1 has been IT since it ended. Only a newfan like yourself would think otherwise, because honestly you weren't there from the start like I was. I followed G1, G2, Beast Wars, Beast Machines, RID, the Energon Trilogy, Animated and stopped bothering after the Bayformers. Now I only follow the IDW comics.

You can claim I'm not a true fan all you want, but so far your only real merit of measuring that is apparently whether someone likes the Bayformers crapfests or not. Being a real fan and following something doesn't mean loving everything unconditionally.

And the fact that G1 is the go to for everything, the basis for all the merch, the basis for all the comics (save for G2) and even the basis of the shitty Bayformers movies simply establishes it's the gold standard. It's versions of the characters are seen as the best universally hands down. Sorry you were too late to the party and can only look back on a poorly animated 80s cartoon and wonder what all the fuss was, but that goes to show that you're the one who isn't a real TF fan.

But go ahead, one more time, come up with some other lazy dismissive claim that proves nothing, establishes nothing and just throws shade with no merit to back it up what-so-ever.

You know what? I don't think you're a real Transformer fan, because you apparently like the Bayformer flicks, which any real fan wouldn't.

>>91366762
Show me your collection

I mean earlier you named "G2" and "Machine Wars" as if that mattered in any way whatsoever in terms of fiction which they don't, so clearly you must be a huge toyfag, either that or you're just googling shit and are only acknowledging real TF series after I brought them up

Lemme see your toys, I like to see the collections of others

>>91366876
All I have are the many Megatrons from over the years. I used to have a huge collection of everything from beast wars through the energon trilogy, but it was getting out of hand so I sold most of it. Now I just have virtually every Megatron and a handful of the G1 Reissues, Masterpiece line and Generations (including the big ass Metroplex with Eness stickers).

I wasn't old enough to actually buy the toys in any competionist sense until the Beast Wars era and only in the last five years came to the realization that ownership of a bunch of crap for the sake of owning it really didn't matter to me so I started selling off the stuff I didn't care about so I could buy more Megatrons and now I only really collect my favorite character, Megatron.

While I respect a fellow toy collector I'm not going to put a whole lot of merit in owning everything simply for the sake of it just like saying you like everything Transformers related so I've chosen to limit myself for both financial and storage reasons.

Don't have any pics of my collection and all my figures are in boxes right now because of house cleaning, but if you want to know anything else about my collection feel free to ask. I'm currently eyeing the new bootleg Scorponok toy right now and hoping there's a Trypticon toy in the future.

>>91366956
Well in any case I guess I'll take your word for it but uh, you're wrong. At least from my perspective, there is nothing wrong with Bayformers, I'm not saying it doesn't have flaws but there is nothing wrong with it's actual existence, because it is literally just another Transformers series, and honestly if you wanna talk about shit that's dedicated to G1 at least in terms of fiction, really none of it is...it's all a different take on it, shows like Animated and Prime offered similar characterizations, while previous shows really didn't as much

Of course G1 is the basis of it all, that goes without saying, but it isn't what everything, or anything, is striving to be, most series have tried to be as different from it as possible even if using the namesakes of characters

>>91363354
>never cool to fake geeks cause "TOYS"
It's funny cause now, every fake geek has tons of toys and memorabilia, but no comic book in sight in their house

>>91367058
They don't have real toys either, just Funko Pops or whatever and other trendy shit

No toys that are "for children" as toys typically are

>>91367027
The first Bayformers movie had potential, everything since was just a disappointment. The Fourth one was an improvement, but it still did so many things wrong that it's a moot point. They're mediocre movies at best, hollywood embarassments at worst and exemplify everything wrong with hollywood's handling of nostalgic brands (albeit the most successful case of them doing so). Hell, even Capefags use the Bayformers franchise as an insult when comparing other movies to them. I suppose we'll have to agree to disagree on that since there are several TF diehards on /m/ who love the Bayformers movies too. But honestly, they're bad Transformer stories, bad human dramas and ultimately just special effects showcases for the sake of blockbuster buckeroos in every way tailored to the very subnormer casuals who you've been accusing me of being. I do like their world building element and the mythos & mystery that they've been leading up to as it was something far less than consistent in the original G1 cartoon, but that's about it.

And I'm also still going to have to disagree with G1 not being everything. It certainly wasn't a very good cartoon in hindsight in terms of writing or animation, but it's characters and characterizations of the Transformers are second to none and the gold standard to this day. All the merch is G1, all the reissues are G1, all the auxiliary toylines are G1 for a reason, because it's what the longterm core fans have wanted and loved. I'm not saying every new iteration should be handcuffed to that exact G1 formula or it sucks, but things like the Bayformer movies certainly do little to embrace or capitalize on it. Optimus Prime is pretty much the only thing the Bayformer movies did right and even then ever since Speilberg stepped out of the light as a producer after the first movie Bay has been trying to turn the iconic and stoic hero into what I can only assume to be a 12-year-old's idea of what a stone cold steve austin bad ass is.

>>91367124
I don't get that whole Funko Pop thing, seems like Beany Babies, just a bubble waiting to burst. And to be fair most people who collect the Funko Pop crap usually have one or two floppies lying around, but no Trades.

>>91367138
>The first Bayformers movie had potential, everything since was just a disappointment. The Fourth one was an improvement
Here's our first disagreement, the first movie IMO was a fun family movie, and the third was good. The second was utter ass and the fourth was just boring as hell.
> They're mediocre movies at best, hollywood embarassments at worst and exemplify everything wrong with hollywood's handling of nostalgic brands
Who says it needs to be nostalgic, for plenty of people Bayformers was their introduction to Transformers, the movie didn't make billions on old fat bald guys alone
> Hell, even Capefags use the Bayformers franchise as an insult when comparing other movies to them
Who cares, that's just MCU drones and they are delusional about their movies, most MCU movies are not that good, some worse than Bayformers
>ultimately just special effects showcases for the sake of blockbuster buckeroos
Right, that's what they are, that is what Bayformers is, some of us accept that and take it for what it's worth, not because we're shit eaters but because we have fun with these dumb movies and don't expect them to be more
>And I'm also still going to have to disagree with G1 not being everything. It certainly wasn't a very good cartoon in hindsight in terms of writing or animation
I think G1 was great, I unironically love G1 to this day, the shoddy 80s animation and silly plotlines do not deter my enjoyment of it at all
> but it's characters and characterizations of the Transformers are second to none and the gold standard to this day.
Now, it wasn't that way before Bayformers, everything Beast Wars till Bayformers and TF Animated was largely very different from G1 in almost every way other than the obvious, you're acting like a huge chunk of time never existed
So yeah, I guess we agree to disagree. I just don't see G1 as being something to be remade, everything since it has done it's own thing and I assure you any new series will do their own thing too

>>91367159
Yeah pretty much, the only good Funko toys in my experience were the MLP Funko Vinyls, which at the time were the most show accurate figures you could get
I don't know if they have any other figures like that that aren't Pops though

>>91364704
Five, I think.

To be honest, I'd probably like these films a lot more if they just focused on the Transformers instead of humans. Never saw the G1 cartoon so I don't know if that's always been a thing Transformers has done, but I would much prefer to see Optimus doing something than

>"I FIGHT LIKE A GIRL DON'T YOU"

>>91367453
These movies are family action flicks, just like the gay MCU

Want nothing but Thor action? Not gonna get it, just like with these movies
These movies are Transformers for the mass audience, not the hardcore fan, if you want bots with no humans go watch Beast Wars

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>>91367490
>Want nothing but Thor action?
that's the basis for a 30 minute cartoon, not a 2 hour movie that people take their spouses and children to see.

No one is going to spend $150 million dollars producing an overlong live-action cartoon episode so that spergs like yourself are satisfied.

Oh wait, nm they did, and it made negative 15 million dollars before marketing. Don't understand why they don't continue down that path.

>>91363779
No, but it's an amazing director, Better than almost every other blockbuster director outside Spielberg and Cameron.

>>91367490
>Beast Wars

That was actually the show I got introduced to Transformers through.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2t4MBhGAg8

>>91366000
You are nothing but a manchild. I bet Snyder makes you extremely mad.

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*DEUS VULT INTENSIFIES*

>>91367523
You're only proving my point you vapid piece of cunt scum

>>91367618
No one makes films specific to your tastes because you are a unpleasable shitlord who has a 50/50 chance of staying home and pirating a movie rather than watching it alone in a theater.

Happy? Big-budget theatrical films are made for people without your crippling ass-burgers to enjoy in a theater with other people out to have 2 hours of enjoyment.

>>91367058
/co/ is filled with fake geeks too. Not in the same sense, but just manchildren, geeks used to be smart and this board is one of the less aducated more childlike ones out of all interest boards, from people thinking Pakistan is in the middle east, to idiots that believe Snyder movies are objectivist or people calling cinematography "a /tv/ meme" or zionism " a /pol/ conspiracy theory".

>>91367673
>he makes the point I literally just made
>only he attacks me because I called the MCU gay

This is why you're cancer, mouse queer, get your fucking tubes tied

Intentionally or not, the only thing I've learned from these movies is that the Decepticons are in the right and the Autobots are going to get the Cybertronian race killed because Optimus is obsessed with playing house nigger.

>>91367604
>Optimus surrendered to his creators out of guilt for dooming his race, becomes reprogrammed into Punished Prime sent to kill his old allies in exchange for one last chance
>Knight Galvatron, seen taking up a sword, will actually be the one to slap sense into him and bring him back from the brink

Do it, Bay. You've already made Optimus into a spine-skipping lunatic and confirmed Megatron genuinely wanted to save Cybertron. Might as well go all out.

>>91368237
The lesson I learned is that humanity is stupid , and Soundwave is the coolest car ever

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>>91363354
>Hating on movies made about toys.

>>91368939
TOY COMMERCIAL
NOTHING TOYETIC CAN BE GOOD

>>91363354
Fake geeks don't exist. They're just people who share some of your interests yet dress better and take care of themselves, you greasy fuck.

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>>91369655
Fake geeks do exist, they're people who pretend to be into my interests because it's suddenly trendy

They were called posers back in the day, by the way post a picture

>>91369546
Chucky
Small soldiers

>>91369773
Neither of those were based on toys, they were based on the idea of being based on toys, and got toys

In any case, there are actually people who consider any show or movie that's based on toylines to be non valid because of some retarded idea that their favorite shows which arent based on toys or don't have toys are artistically superior, because inspiration can never come from toys apparently, which is the point

>>91365327
Bay has style and he's proven himself capable of making solid action films, and I genuinely think The Rock is one of the best of the nineties. That being said, the Transformers movies are dreadfully, dreadfully awful, and Bay is not the only cause.

>>91370094
>dreadfully, dreadfully awful

Care for a cucumber sandwich, ya fucking nancy?

>>91366244
>Female lead
Marky mark is still the lead, dumbass

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>>91366876
>"G2" and "Machine Wars" as if that mattered
That's subjective as fuck you faggot. Look at Japanese G1 lore, it takes plot points from everything and connects them together. Its been going on since Car Robots.

>>91370848
>Look at Japanese G1 lore
No
G2 and Machine Wars weren't new series, they were just new toylines that were part of G1 dumbfuck

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Being completely honest, outside of that Kids choice awards trailer, everything I've seen for The Last Knight looks promising. Bay's putting a ton more effort into the movie itself and even just getting feedback from fans much more. Even the colors look more vibrant than the other films

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>>91370936
G2 is incorporated in the Japanese G1 timeline titled G-2. That means all bio cards, toys and art books
http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Transformers:_G-2_(story_page)
If you don't have any idea what you're talking about you should just shut your autistic mouth shut faggot.

>>91367327
> Here's our first disagreement, the first movie IMO was a fun family movie, and the third was good. The second was utter ass and the fourth was just boring as hell.

Sure whatever, don't care for any of them to be honest.

> Who says it needs to be nostalgic, for plenty of people Bayformers was their introduction to Transformers, the movie didn't make billions on old fat bald guys alone

Nostalgia was the whole point of the 80s franchise revival movement of hollywood and while Nostalgia alone won't sell a movie, it was largely what this cinematic franchise was banking on. If they were still good movies in spite of this it wouldn't be as much of an issue, but they're not.

> Who cares, that's just MCU drones and they are delusional about their movies, most MCU movies are not that good, some worse than Bayformers

Actually it's largely the DCEU apologists who use Bayformers as an insult to outline the disparity between box office and actual quality. Nice to throw your bias out there though, I imagine if you're content with the Bayformers you're more than pleased with Zack Snyder's equally juvenile brand of cinematography and story telling. Be nice if you could make one single post without making self incriminating assumptions about the other person or parties in question.

> Right, that's what they are, that is what Bayformers is, some of us accept that and take it for what it's worth, not because we're shit eaters but because we have fun with these dumb movies and don't expect them to be more .
You can take something for what it is and still admit it's garbage.

> I think G1 was great, I unironically love G1 to this day, the shoddy 80s animation and silly plotlines do not deter my enjoyment of it at all

I do too, but I'm not going to lie to myself about its flaws.

(con't below)

>>91371159
http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Transformers:_G-2_(pack-in_manga)
>Despite being written in Japanese and released exclusively in that country, these minicomics read from left to right like an American comic book. Additionally, Yoshioka's art style is heavily derived from that of Derek Yaniger, who was the initial artist on Marvel's Generation 2 comic book.

>>91371224
> Now, it wasn't that way before Bayformers, everything Beast Wars till Bayformers and TF Animated was largely very different from G1 in almost every way other than the obvious, you're acting like a huge chunk of time never existed
So yeah, I guess we agree to disagree. I just don't see G1 as being something to be remade, everything since it has done it's own thing and I assure you any new series will do their own thing too

I'm not saying G1 needed to be remade, but even Beast Wars was truer to the G1 characterizations than Bayformers was. And again, if Bayformers was the reason for G1 becoming any kind of standard than the Masterpiece toyline and Dreamwave/IDW comics wouldn't have existed.

>>91367567
> You are nothing but a manchild.

Said the Pot to the Kettle. Also, not an argument.

> I bet Snyder makes you extremely mad.

I bet he makes anyone extremely mad who paid money to sit through BVS.

Wow, this thread single-handedly proves TF fans are the worse than DCEU/Snyder cultists.

You're the only fanbase I know of who can start an argument while both basically saying the same exact fucking thing.

You idiots automatically assume things the other person didn't even say then argue based on that only to find several exchanges later neither of you thought anything contradictory, but still persist in arguing based solely on semantics and hyperbole.

Please stay confined to /m/ for god's sake, we've already got enough trash here on /co/.

>>91371159
>Japanese G1 timeline titled G-2.
That's not fucking canon dipshit
Only Western releases count for TF

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>>91365762
Why were normies so assblasted about that scene? Is the mere hint of minors dating in accordance with the law too scandalous for them?

>>91371472
>Please stay confined to /m/ for god's sake
Transformers isn't even fucking mecha by literally any definition

>>91371538
Apparently he's not the only one looking at this thread.

>>91371563
> Giant transforming robots that turn into vehicles
> Not /m/

Look at this man
Look at him and laugh.

>>91371594
Fuck you're an idiot

>>91371563

Contrary to what to what the prevalence of threads on /m/ may lead some to believe, the criteria for /m/ isn't (1) Gundam or (2) Anime/Tokusatsu.

Mecha is primarily for anything with giant robots be they piloted or not. To a lesser extent this includes power armor and other sci-fi dalliances such as space ships and other peripheral fictions.

>>91371658
Yeah says the guy claiming that giant transforming robots aren't Mecha.

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>>91371563
>>91371658

>>91371563
Take your pills Mark, mom's gonna be pissed if she finds out you're on the internet again.

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>>91371563

>>91371534
>uh oh we got the canon police out here
>doesn't understand that hasbro licensed the brand from Takara
If I knew how autistic you were I wouldn't of waste my time. Didn't know you're head of Hasbro brand team
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Takara#Relationship_with_Hasbro

>>91371224
>Nostalgia was the whole point of the 80s franchise revival movement of hollywood and while Nostalgia alone won't sell a movie, it was largely what this cinematic franchise was banking on. If they were still good movies in spite of this it wouldn't be as much of an issue, but they're not.
Ok, the TF movies had no nostalgia for me as I was watching the shows that were airing just before it came out, wasn't nostalgic at all , just a new series like every other
>Actually it's largely the DCEU apologists who use Bayformers as an insult to outline the disparity between box office and actual quality. Nice to throw your bias out there though
Not in my experience , I've literally only had MCU fags argue with me about Transformers, and in fact it happened in this very fucking thread
So eat shit pisslord
>
I'm not saying G1 needed to be remade, but even Beast Wars was truer to the G1 characterizations than Bayformers was
No it wasn't at all, if you remember Beast Wars had a HUGE fucking backlash from g1 fans, it was liked by new fans and hated by old fans until much later
> if Bayformers was the reason for G1 becoming any kind of standard than the Masterpiece toyline and Dreamwave/IDW comics wouldn't have existed.
There is no logic in that statement, that shit was for fans and even it was not a continuation of/canon to G1, it was a reimagining as well

And what reality do you live in that comics are more important than tv shows, comics, especially niche shit like Transformers, is meant to cater to hardcore fans, not kids or casuals or the masses

>>91371769
>>91371836
Transformers isn't mecha, I don't know how stupid you are but mecha refers exclusively to piloted vehicles like Gundams, not Transformers

It's not a catch all term for "big robuts haha", it's a specific genre, and no I don't care if TF talk is allowed on /m/, Digimon talk and Muppets talk is allowed here, doesn't mean it isn't anime and a puppet show

>>91371534
>not fucking canon
http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Canon
http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Continuity
You a stupid motherfucker aren't you?

Has Transformers ever really touched on the medieval concept? I can't really think of any beyond maybe Cybertron Vector Prime, but he's got more of a victorian cogs and gears thing.

>>91371839
Japanese series aren't canon to G1, western canon is different than Jap canon

Seeing as which board you're on, I advise you to learn the difference

Beast Wars is an entirely different show in Japan, stop googling shit, you have no idea what you're talking about

>>91371472
http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Ruined_FOREVER
No kidding.

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>>91371924
>he literally linked wiki pages

>>91371860
> Ok, the TF movies had no nostalgia for me as I was watching the shows that were airing just before it came out, wasn't nostalgic at all , just a new series like every other

Are you really denying the Bayformers weren't part of the Hollywood 80s revival trend of the time?

> Not in my experience , I've literally only had MCU fags argue with me about Transformers, and in fact it happened in this very fucking thread
So eat shit pisslord

Only the DCEU has a dedicated defense force fans of any kind anymore. No one feels the need to defend the MCU because it doesn't need defending honestly. You can call people MCU fags all you want, but just because someone can recognize something both did well in the box office and was loved by critics and moviegoers doesn't make them a dellusional fanboy. But that's a discussion for another thread, not that I wouldn't put it past you to use this as a way of backpeddling out of this mess you've gotten yourself into.

> No it wasn't at all, if you remember Beast Wars had a HUGE fucking backlash from g1 fans, it was liked by new fans and hated by old fans until much later

Source?

> There is no logic in that statement, that shit was for fans and even it was not a continuation of/canon to G1, it was a reimagining as well

It was reimagining the G1 franchise because that was the gold standard, even you said so with your comment about old fans hating Beast Wars because it wasn't G1 (which I still maintain it was far closer to G1 than anything in the Bayformer movies).

Maybe if you could stop contradicting yourself for the sake of an argument you're only taking part in to save face you wouldn't look like such a fool.

>>91372025
As apposed to figuratively linking pages?

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>>91371913

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>>91366268
>And by "contemporary" I mean everything after G1 and onward including G2, Machine Wars, Beast Wars, etc. And guess what, everything is still bastardized in the movies no matter what era it comes from and still capitalizes on none of the nostalgia.

This is retarded. There is no "nostalgia" for Transformers because every single show has had COMPLETELY new designs, completely new stories and completely new characters that just so happen to reuse the old names because those are the names Hasbro has a trademark on.

Pic related. All of these characters are the same. When Bayformers does their "Prowl" is will once again look nothing like any of the previous Prowls because that's how this entire fucking retarded franchise works. Destroy everything that came before, start from the bottom again, make money.

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>>91371913
>refers exclusively to piloted vehicles
>Hurr Durr Headmasters
>Herp Derp Powermasters
>Ahhh Yup Pretenders
Go choke on your autism and die

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>>91371563
>>91371913
I'm screencapping these for future lols

I didn't believe so pure a source of autism still existed.

>>91372103
There's always connections to previous TF series, even if it's not within the same continuity. The way a new series is made is like Hasbro and Takara take apart a Lego set and build something new with it.
Same pieces different build.

>>91372103
Prowl's core characterization has stayed the same for the most part throughout the ages and changes have been allowed for various interpretations and media. And honestly they did a pretty good job of staying on point in the Bayformers movies too, if more of their characterizations in the movies were like his no one would be complaining, but outside of him, Optimus and Megatron every other character either had an unrecognizable design or characterization so calling them by any name would really have been pointless. Fuck Starscream didn't even have his trademark voice in the first movie and virtually every other transfromer is relegated to a one movie role before being forgotten.

>>91372103
You seem to be confusing design aesthetics with characterization. And what the fuck dude, the only thing anyone ever complained about Bayformer Prowl was him dying, not his appearance or characterization, he was arguably second only to Optimus in accuracy of what fans wanted.

Maybe if you had used Bumblebee or something you'd of had a point to make, but talk about a moot argument.

>>91372111
Transformers aren't mechs, it's that simple
Stop samefagging, you're wrong

By your definition Megaman is a mech, just stop

>>91372189
>There's always connections to previous TF series

There isn't. The connections are "there are good guy Autobtos led by Optimus Prime who's a red truck and there's bad guys led by a guy names Megatron and a plane named Starscream"

That's where all the connections between series begin and end. Bayformers is no exception.

G1 faggots only hate it because they hate everything that's not a 1 to 1 recreation of G1. If the movies were exactly as shitty as they are now but the robots looked like the G1 cartoon NONE of the fans would complain.

>>91372356
I'd complain. RotF was a hot mess and it wasn't the character design.

>>91372356
>Denies my claim on connections between series
>States that there are connection

>>91372039
>Are you really denying the Bayformers weren't part of the Hollywood 80s revival trend of the time?
Refresh me memory, what other 80s revival movies happened at the time
>Only the DCEU has a dedicated defense force fans of any kind anymore. No one feels the need to defend the MCU because it doesn't need defending honestly.
Hmmm, so you're not only a newfag to Transformers and desperately trying to appear as a longtime fan, but similarly a newfag to this board as well! Brilliant, I love you Anon! Kiss me!
>> No it wasn't at all, if you remember Beast Wars had a HUGE fucking backlash from g1 fans, it was liked by new fans and hated by old fans until much later
>Source?
You have got to be fucking kidding me....you weren't even alive when Beast Wars aired, were you?
>It was reimagining the G1 franchise because that was the gold standard, even you said so with your comment about old fans hating Beast Wars because it wasn't G1 (which I still maintain it was far closer to G1 than anything in the Bayformer movies).
Explain yourself, in what ways was Beast Wars like G1 in any way...here's your chance to prove how smart you think you are

>>91363354
There are worse things than hipsters.

This proves it.

>>91372335
There are Megaman threads on /m/ all the time.

>>91372500
> other 80s revival movies happened at the time
Speed Racer (2008)
Gi Joe(2009)
Alvin and the Chipmunks (2007)
A Dennis the Menace Christmas (2007)
Underdog (2007)
Yogi Bear (2010)

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>A fucking Transformers movie by Michael Bay is going to be a better King Arthur movie than Guy Ritchie's piece of shit

HA HA HA !

>>91372500
>Refresh me memory, what other 80s revival movies happened at the time

Thundercats (scrapped), Voltron (scrapped), G.I. Joe, Speed Racer, Alvin and the Chipmunks, Underdog, Yogi Bear, Clash of the Titans, Footloose, Robocop, The Fog, Friday the 13th, Fame, Nightmare on Elm Street, True Grit, Poltergeist, Arthur, Conan the Barbarian, Total Recall, Evil Dead, The Thing, TMNT, The Karate Kid, Annie, Red Dawn

> Hmmm, so you're not only a newfag to Transformers and desperately trying to appear as a longtime fan, but similarly a newfag to this board as well! Brilliant, I love you Anon! Kiss me!

More ad hominem. Not an argument.

> You have got to be fucking kidding me....you weren't even alive when Beast Wars aired, were you?

More ad hominem. Not an argument. (born in 1982 by the way)

> Explain yourself, in what ways was Beast Wars like G1 in any way...here's your chance to prove how smart you think you are

In the characterizations of the core characters. Names might have changed but you basically had all the core personalities and team dynamics. Optimus might have transformed into a Gorilla instead of a Truck, but he acted far more like G1 optimus than Bayformers Murder Prime did.

>>91372603
Fair enough, Megaman still isn't a fucking mech, neither are TFs.

DBZ gets talked about here, it's not magically not anime

>>91372834
Ew

>>91372922
Dude....half the movies you named did not come out in the same timeframe the first Bayformers movie came out, some like a decade later
You're fucking stupid

>In the characterizations of the core characters. Names might have changed but you basically had all the core personalities and team dynamics. Optimus might have transformed into a Gorilla instead of a Truck, but he acted far more like G1 optimus than Bayformers Murder Prime did.
Wrong, Oprimus Primal was entirely different than Optimus Prime in every way outside of the superficial, and the Beast Wars cast was way more fleshed out than G1, which was largely just one note stereotypes in place of characters since there were so damn many of them

You really haven't watched any TF show, have you?

>>91372335
> Megaman isn't /m/

Okay, you had me going there for a bit.

10/10 bait. Would rage again.

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>>91372500
>Beast Wars like G1 in any way
Some staple character traits from G1 are used as the foundation for BW chars
Optimus Primal used Prime's famous "Freedom is the right" (Prime's original Bio Card)
Cheetor is the young yellow rookie like Bumblebee
Rhinox is the techguy fusion of Perceptor/Wheeljack/Ratchet
Ratrap is Cliffjumper/Huffer/Gears (rash/sarcastic)
Dinobot is more like G1 comic Grimlock (who wasn't a COMPLETE moron like the cartoon and had a lot of honor, mostly with leadership)

Wait, what are hipsters this time?

>>91373187
Mech isn't exclusively for things that are piloted nor was it ever intended to be. It's for anything that falls within the aesthetic of mechanical sci-fi. Hell the very first Mechs in anime weren't even piloted. You're just imposing artificial definitions based on some autistic interpretation of a word. Same way cyborgs, robots, power armor and sci-fi space ships are all /m/.

> Dude....half the movies you named did not come out in the same timeframe the first Bayformers movie came out, some like a decade later
You're fucking stupid

You're right in that regard, arguably Transformers was what started the 80s revival trend now that I think about. Truthfully Transformers was part of the make obscure/random franchises into movies trend. Even so the point stands that the appeal of the movie was to capitalize on the nostalgia of the brand, unfortunate that it led to such a dark time in Hollywood's creative history.

> Wrong, Oprimus Primal was entirely different than Optimus Prime in every way outside of the superficial

How so, they were both stoic and noble leaders who embodied wisdom and fortitude. And neither were war hungry / blood thirsty head hunters that decapitated enemies at every turn.

see this >>91373239 for more info. It's clear you don't know what you're talking about and have been getting triggered by austistic superlative understandings of subjective concepts to drive you onward in your ramage here in this thread. Forgive me for using "ad hominem" myself there, but it's the only explanation I can think of for your behavior.

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The preview footage sounds pretty good.

PROLOGUE

>King Arthur (Liam Garrigan) leads the Knights of the Round Table in battle against an invading army, and are on the verge of defeat when the wizard Merlin retreats to a nearby cave, actually the massive turbine of a buried spaceship, and returns charging into the battlefield alongside a colossal three-headed Cybertronian dragon known as "Dragonstorm".


THE ENCOUNTER

>On present day, a group of schoolchildren explore the ruins of a battle between humans and Transformers, who have been at war since Optimus Prime's departure from the planet years before. They are ambushed by a human-made robotic drone and rescued by rebellious teenager Izzy (Isabella Moner) and her Autobot companions Squeeks and Canopy, the latter which is mortally wounded by the drone before Cade Yeager (Mark Wahlberg) and Bumblebee arrive to rescue them, destroying the drone and escaping with Izzy and Squeeks as more drones approach.

THE JUNKYARD

>Izzy awakens in a massive junkyard that Cade and the Autobots have been using as a hideout and steps outside to find Cade chatising Grimlock for eating the cars in the vicinity and "grounding" him.

THE ASSAULT

>Cade is being pursued by the Transformers Response Force (TRF), a paramilitary unit dedicated to wiping out all Transformers, be they Autobots or Decepticons, and led by a reluctant Major William Lennox (Josh Duhamel). As TRF vans close in on Cade's escape vehicle, Grimlock and Slug burst from the ground amid heavy gunfire and take out the soldiers.

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>>91373478
COGMAN

>In a bowling alley, Cade, Izzy and the Autobots meet Cogman, a slightly psychopathic human-sized Transformer unafilliated with either the Autobots or the Decepticons, who has been sent to bring Cade to his master. Cogman easily subdues Crosshairs when he attempts to intervene and informs Cade that he must abandon his friends to protect them, giving Cade a Cybertronian device that merges with his arm and will "never leave him". Cade reluctantly bids his farewells to Izzy, assuring her she's part of their family now and the Autobots will protect her, and leaves with Cogman in a WWII-era bomber plane.


BURTON

>Cade and Bumblebee are introduced to Cogman's master, Sir Edmund Burton (Anthony Hopkins), a scholar who lives in a fortified estate in the English countryside and is versed in the secret history between humans and Transformers, having met Bumblebee as a young boy and collected numerous Cybertronian artifacts from across the centuries, including an aging Autobot disguised as a WWI-era tank, who is suffering from "robot dementia" and believes the conflict to still be taking place. Burton tells Cade about the alliance between the Knights of the Round Table an the Knights of Cybertron to protect the world and reveals that the future of both races rests on Cade's shoulders by the virtue of what he has found. Autobot scout Hot Rod arrives at the castle with Vivian Wembley (Laura Haddock), a historian whom Burton has called for help. Cade believes her to be unfit for battle, as evidenced by her "stripper dress", and the two begin trading insults, to Burton's amusement.

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>>91373500
UNDERWATER

>Cade and Vivian pilot a WWII-era submarine towards a Cybertronian spaceship buried underwater, while being pursued by Lennox and his crew on two cutting-edge submarines. The doors close just as Cade and Vivian get in, leaving Lennox and his men to scramble for an alternative entrance.


BATTLEGROUND

>Cade, Izzy, Vivian, Lennox and Robert Epps (Tyrese Gibson), among others, race across a battlefield as Cybertronian technology assimilates the human soil and aircrafts and spaceships crash and explore around them, all while the Autobots pilot their own vehicles in battle against an unseen enemy, aided by Dragonstorm.


WAR

>Atop a platform in a towering Cybertronian machine, a brainwashed malevolent Optimus Prime battles his old protege Bumblebee on behalf of a mysterious figure known as "Quintessa", and gains the upper hand, raising his sword to strike down Bumblebee when Cade jumps into the fray to defend him.

>>91372289
>the only thing anyone ever complained about Bayformer Prowl was him dying

there is no Bayformers Prowl the comics are non-cannon as of the 4th movie.

>>91373535
Sorry, meant to say Jazz.

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>>91373199
Do you know what "mecha" means? You're a fucking idiot.

>>91373239
Most TF series have those stereotypes, that doesn't make it like g1 on any level more than bayformers

>>91373391
>Mech isn't exclusively for things that are piloted nor was it ever intended to be. It's for anything that falls within the aesthetic of mechanical sci-fi. Hell the very first Mechs in anime weren't even piloted. You're just imposing artificial definitions based on some autistic interpretation of a word. Same way cyborgs, robots, power armor and sci-fi space ships are all /m/.
I don't know if you know this, but /m/ isn't the first time the word "mecha" was used, it's a specific genre and has a specific meaning, one that does not apply to TFs
Do you know what a mech is? Transformers are not mechs, and so they aren't mecha
It doesn't matter if the 4chan board allows them to be talked about, they aren't mechs, just like we can talk about fucking puppets on /co/, it's not cartoons or comics, it's just allowed

>How so, they were both stoic and noble leaders who embodied wisdom and fortitude
Optimus Prime was a John Wayne kind of tough stern "good guy", Primal was more of a young leader who didn't always know what he was doing but was optimistic

Also, don't direct me to the faggot who linked tech specs, who is probably you, once again I need to school you on TF shit...

Transformers 101, tech specs hardly ever accurately describe the character in the official fiction

I mean, hell, guess this is really Tarantulas LOL, the show was just bullshit! It's all about the tech specs!

>>91373707
>LEGS ARE HIDDEN MISSILES
So he becomes a crippled spider then?

>>91373707
> Do you know what "mecha" means? You're a fucking idiot.

Do you? Because I don't think you do. And considering the original context was that of it belonging on /m/ where it is allowed and talked about far more frequently than here on /co/ I don't really see your point in contesting the categorization.

> Most TF series have those stereotypes, that doesn't make it like g1 on any level more than bayformers

Sure it does.

> I don't know if you know this, but /m/ isn't the first time the word "mecha" was used, it's a specific genre and has a specific meaning, one that does not apply to TFs

Sure it does.

> Do you know what a mech is? Transformers are not mechs, and so they aren't mecha

Sure they are.

> It doesn't matter if the 4chan board allows them to be talked about, they aren't mechs, just like we can talk about fucking puppets on /co/, it's not cartoons or comics, it's just allowed

It does matter if the original contention was you claiming they're not to be talked about on /m/ because they don't fit your narrow artificial definition of a vague concept.

Next you'll probably argue that cape movies don't belong on /tv/ because they aren't TV shows.

> [autistic ranting about tech specs]

So at what point in G1 did Optimus Prime go on murder sprees decapitating people? Face it, Beast Wars was more G1 than the Bayformers movies were, because the characters actually had characterizations where as the Bayformers were largely background characters in their own movies. I don't recall Bumblebee being a bad ass or a mute by the way in G1.

>>91373892

>where as the Bayformers were largely background characters in their own movies

4 did a lot to improve that. Looking like 5 will continue the trend.

>>91373707
>Transformers 101
Bet your autistic faggot self believes that the G1 Transformers cartoon came before the comic. FYI it didn't and you know what the comic's characteristics are based on?! The fucking bio cards you moron.

Apparently, you obviously don't know shit. Bob Budiansky wrote the bios for the toys and guess what, he was one of the pioneering writers on the comic.

>>91367673

So what you're saying is Jane Foster and her quirky friend were your favorite part of Thor

>>91373892
>And considering the original context was that of it belonging on /m/ where it is allowed and talked about far more frequently than here on /co/ I don't really see your point in contesting the categorization.
That wasn't the original point, mecha is a genre, dumbfuck, Transformers doesn't belong to it because they are not mechs

It is not a "vague concept", it's a specific one. Mecha is a genre of fiction, you fucking idiotic faggot

Transformers is not mecha, I don't give a flying fuck about the board /m/, if I did, I would have said "/m/" and not "mecha"
Understand, nigger?

Also, you are clearly not a TF fan and I'm done arguing with you
Just another fucking faggot who hopped on the bangwagon and only knows things because he google searched them

>>91374068
Wow! I knew that, but I don't care because nobody cares about the comics and the show takes precedent over it!
But holy shit, you must feel so proud for googling that!

>>91374113
Funny that you completely ignored >>91372107 like an idiot.

>>91373892
>because the characters actually had characterizations where as the Bayformers were largely background characters in their own movies.

99% of transformers never had any characterization in their own shows and were only background characters, what's your point?

This thread gave me cancer

>>91374171
>show takes precedent over it
>Muh viewpoint is everybody else's
glad that you admitted and proven that you're an utter faggot

>>91374113
> That wasn't the original point, mecha is a genre, dumbfuck, Transformers doesn't belong to it because they are not mechs

The original point was you saying it didn't belong on /m/ when it clearly does. Even you admitted it's allowed there contradicting your initial claim.

> It is not a "vague concept", it's a specific one. Mecha is a genre of fiction, you fucking idiotic faggot

And a genre which includes robots, cyborgs, artificial intelligences, power armor and transforming cybernetic organisms.

> Transformers is not mecha, I don't give a flying fuck about the board /m/, if I did, I would have said "/m/" and not "mecha"
Understand, nigger?

Since /m/ was what we were intially talking about I don't see how you can't care about it since that was your original point. Also, stomping your feet repeatedly and shouting at the top of your lungs doesn't make what you want to believe any more true.

> Also, you are clearly not a TF fan and I'm done arguing with you

Does that mean I have to turn in my Sonichu emblem at Transformer fandom headquarters?

> Just another fucking faggot who hopped on the bangwagon and only knows things because he google searched them

On a scale of 1 to "throwing your pikachu themed N64 against the wall" how angry are you right now?

>>91374215
> 99% of transformers never had any characterization in their own shows and were only background characters, what's your point?

Sure they did.

>>91374215

>99% of transformers never had any characterization in their own shows and were only background characters

Beast Wars says "hi".

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Hey guys, what's going on here?

>>91363354
As a kid I liked the toys but hated the cartoon.
I kinda like Bay.
I have never had any interest in watching these movies.

>>91374171
>nobody cares about the comics
>show takes precedent over it
Yeah that's why the G1 comics got a continuation with Regeneration One and the last G1 cartoon continuation was Beast Machines.

>>91374404

Hi Smoke--Cross--Street--

Joe. Hi Joe.

>>91374198
Because it means nothing, TFs are still not mechs, and I adressed the fact that Jap shit is not canon to Western fiction

>>91374456
What percentage of the fanbase do you think saw BM versus what percentage read that comic

>>91374498

Are you implying Headmasters and Powermasters never existed in the West?

>>91374498
> Because it means nothing

Actually it kind of contradicts your claims by showing that TF are clearly mech related.

> TFs are still not mechs,

Headmasters, Powermasters & Pretenders say otherwise.

> and I adressed the fact that Jap shit is not canon to Western fiction

Sure it is.

>>91374498
>Western fiction
That's all from western fiction numbnuts, even the Daniel/Arcee pic is from the 3-part US Headmasters.

But nice attempt at deflection there bucko

>>91374284
>And a genre which includes robots, cyborgs, artificial intelligences, power armor and transforming cybernetic organisms.
No, he's right...the reason it's called mecha is because it's about mechs, just because the 4chan mecha board allows other things doesn't mean those other things actually belong to that genre

You know what "honorary /m/" is right?

>>91374533
A lot more cause it got a continuation instead of of the G1 cartoon timeline.

>>91374544
I'm implying it's not mecha because Transformers are living beings who happen to be made out of metal

>>91374605
Honorary /m/ is for stuff like Devilman which has no mechanical aspects but is often associated with /m/.

Anything with robots, cyborgs, artificial intelligence, power armor or transforming cybernetic organisms is official /m/, not honorary. Just ask them yourself.

>>91374664
> I'm implying it's not mecha because Transformers are living beings who happen to be made out of metal

Since when was being a living being a condition of the definition? First you said it was being piloted and now you're moving the goal post.

>>91374664
>living beings who happen to be made out of metal
Next thing this faggot is going to say is that the Brave series isn't mecha either.

>>91374631
The G1 timeline had comics too
What's your point, the majority of G1 fans and majority of beast era fans never read those comics either

>>91374712
>>91374760
>The term mecha (メカ meka?) may refer to both scientific ideas and science fiction genres that centers on robots or machines controlled by people. Mechas are typically depicted as "walker" types of Mobile robots.

I don't believe I have to post definitions on this board, but I guess I do

>>91374664

Eh, depends on your definition.

Technically, "mech" is the shorthand name for "male Cybertronian", while females are "femme".

>>91374605
No, he's not.

Honorary /m/ only applies to stuff often created by the same authors of or associated with /m/ materials.

Anyone on /m/ will tell you that the definition of "Mecha" is more about the aesthetic than some rigid narrow interpretation.

>>91374760
I was just about to say that.

Fun Fact, the Brave Series was a spiritual successor of sorts to the G1 Transformers series in Japan.

>>91374766
> The G1 timeline had comics too
What's your point, the majority of G1 fans and majority of beast era fans never read those comics either

Says who?

>>91374798
Well the transformers are robots who are piloted by people so I guess they count.

>>91374798
In Powermasters, Headmasters and Pretenders the Transformers are piloted.

Transformers confirmed for "Mech". Thanks for the definition friend, glad we could finally put this to rest.

>>91365258
Similar to how Suicide Skwad got an oscar and all the hipsters lost their mind

>>91374869
>>91374842
Transformers are not controlled by people, they are sentient

They can allow people to "pilot" them if they so choose, but they arent machines that simply are controlled

Transformers was preceded by a franchise with robots piloted by humans (Diaclones) and followed up with a franchise with robots piloted by humans (Brave Series). And even the Transformers themselves had a whole saga where they were piloted by humans.

Sounds pretty /m/ech to me.

>>91374921
Headmasters, Powermasters & Pretenders seem to say otherwise.

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>>91374798
>quoting wikipedia
>Transformers referenced on the page as
an example
I guess you are a moron then.

>>91374921
Any real Transformer fan would know that Transformers not only pilot one another on occasion but that humans pilot them via the Pretenders, Power Masters & Head Masters.

I guess you really are just some poser hipster googling stuff to sound like he knows what he's talking about.

>>91374937

Pretenders don't count. They're sentient robots wearing dumb armor.

Seriously, if it wasn't for Bludgeon and Thunderwing (and maybe Iguanus)that whole subgroup would have been pointless.

>>91375010
They had humans inside for a number of them.

>>91375010
That's still someone piloting someone.

>>91374937
None of those are the same as a mech, which is just a car essentially

>>91363354
I'm earnestly surprise it made it this far, I really thought it was gonna cap out after 2, but here we are, fucking 5. Jeez, my mother, of all people, is actually a fan of the series, that's actually how I've seen them all, taking her.

>>91375125
But there are Transformers that can turn into Cars so I guess that means they do count after all.

No matter how you cut it Transformers fit virtually any definition of mech.

>>91375035

No, none of them had that. A few wore synthetic skin to LOOK human, but none of them ever had pilots.

>>91375079
you can't pilot "someone", you can pilot a vehicle
Transformers are "people" in every sense of the word

>>91363354
They're also irredeemable garbage that keep making less and less money domestically so they pander to chinks

>>91374993
You can "pilot" a Transformer only in the same sense that you can "pilot' a horse, it's not the same thing

>>91365638
But the G1 cartoon is absolutely better.

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>ITT: Transformers can't/haven't piloted mecha in any fiction

>>91375010
Shut the fuck up Boco

>>91375010
http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Reverse-pretender_technology

>>91375288

Would it help if I also said Submaurader and Bugly?

And the Pretender Beasts?

Okay, so there were more good ones than I remembered.

>>91374993
>he doesn't know what Pretenders, Headmasters, or Powermasters are yet he still used them as examples

Google is not your friend

>>91370094
>Bay is not the only cause.
enlighten me

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>>91369546
I dunno man, the Gundam films are pretty alright

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>>91375314
Octopunch, Monstructor, and the single best Pretender.

>>91371563
/m/ has Toku threads all the time

>>91375167
Robots piloted synthetic humans, sounds pretty mech to me.

>>91375172
Diaclones, Tranformers & the Brave Series says otherwise.

>>91375222
Sure it is.

>>91375317
Nor is not having an argument yours.

>>91375346
Not that anon but Spielberg, Paramount and Hasbro wanted the franchise to be as toyetic as possible. Even requesting that setpieces and designs be added to better sell toys regardless of how it fit in with the narrative.
The writers involved are castoffs of other IPs and films that have been "ruined" according to their fanbases.
The return of investment vs critical and domestic audience reactions suggest that there's no real reason to change course.
There's a lot more beyond that but that's the most important stuff.

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>>91375314
>>91375379
Don't forget Double Pretender Optimus Prime, which is Powermaster and Pretender tech combined

>>91375526
That is pretty cool actually but most club toys suck

>>91375497
You realize that Hasbro has very little say in the movies, right? They don't even make money off of them.

>>91375594
Numerous interviews seem to contradict that.

>>91375417
/co/ has DBZ threads all the time
I suppose that means DBZ by genre is a Western animation

/co/ has Lazytown threads all the time
Guess that means Lazytown is a cartoon

>>91375594
Actually Dark of the Moon's poor toy sales was what drove alot of the changes for the fourth movie.

>>91375629
> /co/ has DBZ threads all the time

No they really don't.

> /co/ has lazytown threads all the time

Like five years ago they did.

>>91375462

Theres no piloting.

Like, if I put on a gorilla costume, thats the equivalent of becoming a Pretender.

>>91375594

>They don't even make money off of them.

Please don't be stupid.

>>91375629
Except Toku is in /m/ 24/7 unlike DBZ

>>91375659
Still mecha no matter how you crunch the semantics of it.

>>91375659
They make 0(zero) money off of the box office. The only way Hasbro could get a company to pick up the franchise was by offering the company all the money off of the movies and only keeping merchandising rights. And the merchandise has been selling worse and worse since ROTF

>>91375594
http://variety.com/2014/film/news/transformers-the-anatomy-of-a-cross-platform-money-maker-1201245881/

>>91375629
> Every board on 4chan has DBZ threads all the time so that means...

Just stop.

>>91375710
There is no mecha without mechs
Just because something is on the mecha board doesn't make it mecha, you have to be seriously fucking new

>>91375742
And since Transformers are Mechs I guess that makes them Mecha.

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>>91365226
This.

>>91375742
according to what definition of "Mecha"

The one you got from Wikipedia that not only uses Transformers as a source, but cites Transformers as a key example of what Mecha is?

Transformers, lacking in credibility, pays Anthony Hopkins to borrow some of his.

I predict another billion dollars of cocaine headed to Hasbro.

I just wish the designs weren't so cluttered. I don't care about the quality of the movies, but they have negatively impacted mechanical designs across Hollywood with their greebley shit.

>>91375855
They seriously have some of the worst designs I've ever seen.

>>91375791

Mobile Suit Gundam Wing
Mobile Suit Gundam Wing Vol 1.jpg
North American cover of the first Gundam Wing DVD volume, featuring the protagonist Heero Yuy and the titular Wing Gundam
新機動戦記ガンダムW
(Shin Kidō Senki Gandamu Wingu)
Genre Military science fiction, Mecha


The Transformers
American and Japanese Transformers logo.jpg
The American and Japanese logos
Genre
Science fiction
Action
Adventure

Wiki also says this

>>91366000
Remind me, which movie had Optimus mowing through decepticons like wheat, and then intending to execute a broken pleading megatron?

>>91366229
You ignored everything he said. Bayfags need to be shot in the fucking head.

>>91373478
>Cade is being pursued by the Transformers Response Force (TRF), a paramilitary unit dedicated to wiping out all Transformers, be they Autobots or Decepticons
So why exactly are they trying to kill all transformers? The Autobots showed that they don't have hostile intentions repeatedly, but every single movie shows Humanity trying to kill them.

>>91376427
People who pretend to be TF fans but haven't been watching TF since childhood with no breaks in between should have no opinion on the franchise

>>91376467

Because their fights destroy property and take lives, even if only by accident. Humans are sick of any robots being there period.

Its like in IDW, where the entire universe hates them for the same reason.

>>91376481
People who pretend to be Transformers fans so they can defend the worst director to ever live shitting on the franchise have no rights to an opinion either.

>>91363354
>shit movie
>hipster killer
Nah brah, everyone knows hipsters have the worst taste.

>>91376515
You sound like a faggot

>>91376551
>butthurt hipster baynigger loses his shit

Every time.

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>>91376567
I lost my shit because you sound like a faggot? Lol k, reminder that we're winning

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I just skimmed this shitshow of a thread so I'm just gonna leave this here

http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Universal_stream

>>91376622
>winning

then why do all the bay movies keep making less money

>>91376622

Lord Tron don't you have like 3000 worst essay to write on tfw2005 or somthing?

Pretty much, Marvelfags are the hipster audience and they hate Transformers

>>91376783

Because foreign gross. AoE made major bank over in China.

>>91376622

Bayniggers are the ultimate cancer of the transformers franbase

How would a robotech/macross live action look like under Bay's control?

>>91377731

The singer is played by a Victoria's Secret model.

If you've read State Games, you are a true Transformers fan.

Bayformers don't feel like everymen (the true charm of Transformers is how recognisable these robots are).

>>91366000
>They fail to capitalize on any of the significant nostalgia or aesthetic of the 80s G1 cartoons & comics... or even the contemporary comics for that matter only loosely adapting bastardized concepts as throw away elements in each movie with little if any follow through.
Wasn't the third movie just a big screen adaption of Ultimate Doom?

> Hasbro gives the likes of Simon Furman, Nick Roche, James Hill, James Roberts huge creative freedom.

Result: Great stories and respect for the franchise.

> Hasbro gives Bay lots of creative freedom.

Result: Shite (profitable shite, but still shite), loss of respect for the franchise.

>>91378067

That because those people are fans of the franchise or if not fan then at least have a childlike sense of wonder and understanding of what made Transformers fun for kids.

Bay doesn't want to do a "stupid toy robot movie" so instead of robots he concentrates on stuff HE wants and that's expencive cars, fucking underage women and jerking off the army.

>>91377910
No, you're a Transformers fan if you like Transformers. None of this fandom elitism bullshit, in any fandom.

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>>91371913
/m/ Here, are you retarded?

>>91377731
If it could attain all the great traits of Armageddon, The Rock and Bad Boys 1. It could be a fun ride. Throw in Industrial Light & Magic for visuals and we got a party

>>91375010
And they still wouldn't be as pointless as you.

>>91378360

Ah, well played.

>>91365258
i hope so, if he gets his writing team on it and moves his directing chops more towards character interaction it could really work

>>91378436

"He" doesn't have a writing team.

The TF movies are all now written by a brain trust Hasbro put together.

>>91376515
>they can defend the worst director to ever live

You don't watch many movies or get out much, do you? You only notice Bay(and maybe Uwe Boll) because they're on your radar of niche genre flicks.

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Hell of a thread boys. Keep up that quality content.

>>91377658
Absolutely true.

>>91373478

Footage was leaked and I saw "The assault". There's some dumb nigger cracking michael bay jokes most of the scene.

You take almost every black character bay directs, combine it with tj miller and you have this idiot. The movie will be the same unfunny, nonsensical shit they've all been.

>>91378731
>black character bay directs
>doesn't actually know which films Bay has directed compared to produced
>being this fucking moronic
Which were Will Smith, Martin Lawrence and Michael Clarke Duncan

>>91365226
Try saying that on a transformera forum

You wil get a shit ton of posters chewing your ass out and probly get a message from a mod

>>91380172
Transformers forums have mods?

>>91380610
Depends on which forums.

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>It's a Bayformers thread
>Fucking missed posting on the first half

Imma post some new shit that came and that's coming.

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>>91380701
First off, there was news in the Cinemacon footage that Starscream DOES make an appearance in TLK as a corpse that Megatron gets all teary eyed on, or something akin to Darth Vader looking at C3P0's disembodied head.

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Then this. Not sure what to make of this...

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Bumblebee in the cinemacon is confirmed to have been in earth possibly since the first war.

The Bumblebee movie is also confirmed to be a prequel.

>>91374088
"her quirky friend"s enormous tits were in fact my favorite part of Thor.

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Bay confirmed that Hound will have a ton of speaking roles out of bias because movie Hound's his favorite TF character now.

>>91380741
>A giant shitty looking origami robot made of metal
>To transform into a wooden biplane that's almost completely hollow?

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Barricade in Forged to Fight is labeled as "from DOTM", at least confirming that Barry in TF3 wasn't just a drone.

>>91380912
Lazy I know but they took out the cockpit in his chest so that's something.

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>>91371554
The implication is that Michael Bay and/or the screenwriters, who AREN'T underage despite all appearances to the contrary, have an encyclopedic knowledge of loopholes in age of consent laws, which creeps some people out.

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and next full length trailer coming out this...Wednesday or Thursday.

>>91380988
>at least confirming that Barry in TF3 wasn't just a drone.
i don't think that was ever in question

>>91381188
There was an instance where the official TF page for Facebook uploaded a promo montage of Barricade with the DOTM footage, and then later redacted and edited to just have the TF1 footage.

This was during the production of the film, not post production.

>>91363354

hipsters, like you, love it, since critics hate it

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more hot pretender girls W H E N?

>>91380843

Can't find fault with that, m8, to be true. Have a good night

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The cinematography seems like a step up from the last movies

>>91381625
They hired the John Wick cinematographer.

>>91381112
>That mustache

>>91363354
Pretty much. They'll never admit that the TF movies are fine and fun, despite the fact that they're pretty much on the same level as the Marvel capeshit they drool over.

>>91381625

Bay always had an eye to make a shot look cool.

Problem is a movie can't just be a series of "cool looking shots" you need to have shit like transitions and slow plot scenes, and Bay can't do those, everything must be cool and dynamic and exploding.

Honestly if he just had a good editor ot edit his movies properly he'd probably make 60-70% movies instead of 10% ones.

>>91363354
he looks like fucking Batman

What did you think of Transformers Prime?

>>91384933
>Bay always had an eye to make a shot look cool.

The entire Bayformers aesthetic says otherwise

>>91385836
wasted potential: the series

>>91380172
Yeah but its kind of like /vp/ where anyone interested to that degree would eat up anything shit out by the franchise

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>>91385425

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>>91386438
Aesthetic's still fine enough to sell through four movies.

Have they confirmed or denied Unicron yet?
The trailer looks like it;s going that way and I'd be mad hype

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>>91395665
Denied, it's the Quints and zombie dragon/dino Knights of Cybertron that will be the main villains.

The dead planet in the trailer is Cybertron.

>>91395665
hopefully a satellite feed of that huge ass moon of jupiter getting munched on would hype up movie unircron

If they do use Unicron, I hope they go the Armada route with him and have humans, Auobots and Decepticons team up