Which protagonist is less likable? The Degenerate Target Pussy?

>>91344469
Rick.

>>91344469
Steven he's beginning to get more mary sue.

>>91344469
It's Rick.

>>91344469
how is that even a question?

>this character whos actually meant to be this thing I listed
>OR this other one who was meant to be likable but is an annoying cry baby pussy

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>>91344469
Fuck you, buddy. Steven is great. The world needs more win-win protags.

The boy child

>>91344945
go back to tumblr

>>91344894
Rick is pretty much an anti Sue.

>>91345066
Least he makes the show more interesting.

>>91345102
Not really.
Like a straightforward Mary Sue, he wins every situation he's in and no one opposes him as of Season 3.

>>91345117
>wins every situation by getting arrested in a galactic prison and having to resort to entering new realities to escape all your loved ones being lost in old ones

weird way of winning everything

>>91344469
Steven is a Lovecraft Ian horror tho

>>91344945
Wrong

>>91345177
All part of the plan.

>>91344469
Rick's an asshole, but he's a funny asshole. I used to think people were too hard on Steven, but the creators now seem hellbent on proving the critics right.

>>91345258
>4chan
>critics
Kek

>>91344469
Steven.

>>91344945
Believe in faggot

Would Rick kill Steven?
Would anyone care?

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>these /v/ faggots who think /co/ is about hating Comics & Cartoons
You have to go back.

>>91344945
I no longer believe in Steven since Beta

>>91345330
Fuck of SU fag

>>91344469
the fat kid on the right

>>91344945
more like fag fag

>>91344469
>>91344180
>>91327035
SU bait thread.Never fails

>>91345339
>believing in Steven
>ever
I never believed in that faggot.

>>91344469
The only people who hate Rick are complete Mr. Enter tier autists

>>91345372
It's sad that the hatebase are the ones keeping SU threads alive.
This board would be SU free but their autism just doesn't let them go.

>>91345392
>le MrEnter scapegoat
In reality, the only people who hate Rick is ironically 4chan itself.
Everyone either loves that Rick is a funny asshole or are sympathetic towards him.

>>91345411
/co/ just doesn't feel the need to discuss shows that have little left to discuss. But then you have hatedom minorities that get off to shows they don't enjoy and can't shut up about it. The tendency of people on the internet to be baited into responding to people saying dumb things goes without saying.

>>91345560
But so many people are tired of seeing SU but EVERY bait thread gets 300+replies and they comment on it constantly.Why would someone constantly give attention to a show they hate.Its retarded.
And this happens every day.Every fucking day.

>>91345688
That thread about SU shrinking is the third one to appear since Room for Ruby.
I mean it's one thing to care about art but to get autistic over heights in a show you hate?

>>91345740
thing is,i admit that heights are a legit criticism.Plenty of fans have alredy admitted it as well.But people keep shoe horning in the height and that one awful animation in earthlings to the point that makes it seem like its the worst thing about SU.And i,as a fan of SU,think thats stupid.
And i saw that thread.People are legit talking about how to cancel SU.Jesus christ

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>>91344945
Stephano is pretty much a Morty minus a Rick.

>>91345775
>thing is,i admit that heights are a legit criticism.Plenty of fans have alredy admitted it as well.
Yeah it's a legit criticism and I wouldn't if it was just a one time thread.
But to keep making threads about the same subject?

>>91345817
this.
and it backfires on them because it makes the haters look like they have so little to criticize on the show that the heights are what they decide to hate on

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>>91345812
I miss Tag's stuff.

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>>91345315
Nah. He'll make a good replacement Morty if anything.

>Rick is about to execute an alien child.
>Stephen gets in his way and goes on a rant on how they should try and be understanding of other beings.
>Alien child immediately facehugs Steven and begins clawing at him with intent to kill.
>Before Alien child executes, Rick kills alien child.
>Traumatized Steven.jpg

>>91345868
I like how leather jacket Pearl became canon.

>>91345888
Rick and Steven would be super cool desu.Steven getting more and more traumatized would be hilarious.
hell he would end up becoming manlier by the end.

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>>91345915
>"The universe is a crazy and chaotic place, Stephano! Remember that!"
>"You're wrong mr. Sanchez! The universe isn't like that at all!"

Honestly, it writes itself. Now I wanna see Rick interacting with Rose.

>>91345775
That whole thread was just a circle jerk.
Haters really can be worse than fans.

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>>91345185

>>91345384
>faggot
he is seed of murdercock. All shall love him and dispair.

>>91344469
Rick. But that was intentional, unlike with Steven.

>>91345812
>don't worry Steven I woooon't fool around with Connie or anything... Sheeee-
she's for you.

>>91345868
Bad Pearl is the only good thing to come out of SU.

>>91345888
>Next time they see an alien Steven shapeshifts a spear hand and fucking guts it
>Rick tells him off for killing a harmless gormm child
>Tramatization intensifies.

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>>91346485
>i dont see the show but i like this drawing

>>91345981
Related to above pic
>Steven gets a little brother that grows up to be a hard assed faggot.

>>91345981
>interacting
whose to say they haven't already?

>>91344469
Le edgy Mmmett Brown is less likeable, at least Steven is a naive child

>>91344469
Likeable as a character or as a person?

>>91346525
She's the best part of the show honestly. Her crush get's fucked by a human and then her crush dies to create Steven from said human's seed. She's a crazy super-cuck.

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>>91344945
I don't believe in Steven
I do believe in Wander

>>91344469
While Steven's progress in some of the more recent eps has been obnoxious, he's honestly a decently written character. You can slowly see his growth from naive, fearful, and unskilled to slowly gaining power, morals and fortitude. He still gets caught off guard and taken advantage of but he's slowly become more cynical and more fed up with how few answers he's been given in exchange for all the problems that've cropped up.

S1 Steven almost never called the gems on their shit and he's been doing it pretty regularly recently.

>>91346940
Didn't he let the galaxy get destroyed over muh passifism?

>>91344469
There is nothing lovecraftian about Rick.

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The fact that anyone is saying Steven just goes to show now defined by hating other shows the R&M fanbase is. It's why they don't make a general. The show attracts self absorbed cunts who spend a good portion of their time telling everyone how stupid they all are instead of unironically enjoying things, and thus don't want to be grouped into a general and made a target. However this fear of diagnosis is enough to be diagnosed.

>>91347054
*how

>>91347001
I only watched some of the episodes, is his hat capable of producing weapons? We saw time after time that dominator's forces were too strong to just punch into submission

>>91344469

That would have to be Steven for me...

...

Both are pretty much Gary Stus...

Rick is a unstable psychopath and an cynical arsehole, but everyone in the setting accepts this and calls him out on it, and Rick himself relishes in it, so whatever...

Steven on the other hand, is just too amiable, too diplomatic, too naive, and too goddamned dense to make for an enjoyable protagonist. Especially since the fact that he has these qualities is something that is turned into the butt of a joke, improved upon, or even acknowledged, by the show. Compound that with a voice and design which just grates on my nerves...

>>91347001

No Hater Saved the Galaxy, he became the hero we all deserved.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6PKcKZ0ahQ

HATES GREAT BEST VILLAIN!!!

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>Reddit vs tumblr

no way out

>>91347473
I'm glad they fixed her face.

She looked like a teenage girl who put on makeup for the first time and came out of the bathroom looking like a cheap prostitute.

>>91347502
Is this game playable now after the patch? I need me some space rpg.

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>>91347473

There's only one way out.

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>>91347526
I'm from /v/. I don't play video games, I just bitch about them.

From what I've heard though the gameplay is the best of the entire series but the facial animations are fucked and will remain fucked for the foreseeable future. Apparently some high up in Bioware told the dev team to not waste any time into touching up their newfangled mocap and Eastern European Bioware studio animation.

Beyond that I hear a lot of bitching from waifufags that they didn't get to see their bird waifu naked.

>>91344469
I fucking hate the term lovecraftian. People throw it around with no understanding of what it means, with OP being a prime example cause theres nothing Lovecraftian about Ricks character

>>91347627
>gameplay is the best of the entire series
>I don't play video games
Clearly.

>>91347023
No you don't get it. He's the elder god to the rest of the universe.

>>91347727
If you can date a hivemind and kill mindless horrors with ease then you're not Lovecraftian.

At least Rick isn't modeled after a pig with a negro hair.

>>91345315
If killing Steven meant anything good for Rick he'd do it with no remorse. He let Adolf Lincoln die so he could get drugs.

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>>91344469
They're both pretty based.

>>91347054
Except Steven hecame an annoying cunt long before RnM's 3rd season.

And they don't have a general because their showed isn't measured by how many degenerates want to fuck the female characters.

>>91344469
The pussy. I swear if I hear that whiny voice bitch about one more thing...

>>91345117
>Who is Phoenix Person

>>91345177
>>wins every situation by getting arrested in a galactic prison to gain access to the goverment and crashing the banks, so nobody can oppose him anymore

Seems legit.

>>91349169
You can't be seriously saying there is no reason to make a general other than waifuism.

And the OP didn't say the most interesting character. He said the most likable. Steven is friendly to a fault and Rick is one of the worst human beings out of protags on a currently airing show. The only way to justify saying Steven is to change the pretend the OP was asking a different question.

>>91347783
>everyone is wrong but me
Forgive me if I don't take your word for it.

>>91349478
>jumping to random conclusions this hard
Wow, no wonder everybody hates /v/.

>>91344469
Comparing two fundamentally different characters
Hmmm guys this might be bait

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>>91347502
Now she looks like she took the Bog Pill

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>calling Steven a pussy when he constantly gets shit done when he needs to
>calling Steven a mary-sue when he obviously has flaws, most notable being bottling up his emotions for the sake of others

Why does it feel like people just hate their headcanon version of Steven?

>>91344469
Rick is less likable but he really isn't meant to be, Morty is meant to be likable and he is, Steven is just kind of annoying.

>>91349460
>Steven is friendly to a fault and Rick is one of the worst human beings out of protags on a currently airing show. The only way to justify saying Steven is to change the pretend the OP was asking a different question.

You don't have to be a good person to be likable. Plenty of fictional villains and real life criminals have proven charisma can over shadow moral character.

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>>91349540
I can't tell if you are deflecting the issue or lack reading comprehension.

I said most people say the gameplay is the best in the series, you implied they are wrong, I said I am not willing to take your word for it, you tried deflecting by claiming that you didn't imply that without even so much as posting what you did mean to sort out the supposed miscommunication. If you seriously believed it was a miscommunication you would have elaborated, instead you shitpost.

>>91349768
And you have to either ridiculously contort what likable means to choose Rick over Steven or be seriously deranged. The entire point of Rick's character is that he is a miserable person that doesn't give a shit about others.

>but Steven is a faggy good person and isn't an edgy mad scientist who kills entire planets! How could anyone like Steven?! XD XD

>>91349632
Because he has Mary Sue flaws, "flaws" that just end up making him look even better and closer to perfect.
>>91344945
He just has the ugliest, most off putting character design I've ever seen outside of deliberately shitty series (Problem Solverz, Uncle Grandpa, Clarence, etc.)

Any kind of off model pose or facial expression ends up looking like shit because Steven already looks like shit. He triggers memories of this fat autistic kid who was a year or two older than everyone, was constantly wet from sweat (his shirt would stick to his body like an extra layer of skin), he would just stand close to you and breathe uncomfortably out of his mouth. I can almost smell the lip sweat.

I don't want to see Jessie from my High School as a generically proportioned cartoon character who can do no wrong. The show treats Steven like his cute, but it reminds me of fat hambeasts who think they're cute. The way Rebecca normalizes his obesity and thinks it's endearing or powerful is disgusting to me on a moral level.

>>91344469
Steven

You're not supposed to like Rick but some people do, while you're supposed to like Steven but you wish he would get murdered in the next scene

I started watching SU today and holy shit is that kid's voice unbearable. It's like nails on a chalkboard.

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>>91349903
>Because he has Mary Sue flaws, "flaws" that just end up making him look even better and closer to perfect.
Wrongo, pal

A flaw that almost gets his dad thrown in space zoo and is acknowledged as such is no mary sue flaw at all, friend

>>91349903
>The way Rebecca normalizes his obesity and thinks it's endearing or powerful
I think he's just supposed to be fat, man. There's even an episode where he resolves to get into shape (but flakes out on it).

>>91349903
>Because he has Mary Sue flaws
Hardly. Steven has genuine flaws. He had more in the beginning, but through character growth he became more of an asset to the Crystal Gems.

>The way Rebecca normalizes his obesity and thinks it's endearing or powerful is disgusting to me on a moral level.
You don't even know what you're talking about. How is his fatness normalized? Not once has their been any positive talk about his weight or fat people in general. And him being confident in his appearance has nothing to do with that.

>I don't want to see Jessie from my High School as a generically proportioned cartoon character who can do no wrong.
You're an extreme autist.

>>91349986
It gets better and then worse.

>>91349856
>And you have to either ridiculously contort what likable means to choose Rick over Steven or be seriously deranged.

No you don't. I like Rick's character over Steven, because an active character is more interesting than a passive one. Rick is an opportunist that will use anything at his disposal to get what he wants or remove threats. While Steven will idly sit by until something forces him to act.

>Steven is a Mary Sue
We've had episodes dedicated to Steven's flaws. Why does this meme keep getting repeated? Do they not watch the show?

>>91350294
OP didn't ask which is your favorite, he asked who is more LIKABLE.

>>91349856
Hey, captain autism, even fictional depictions of the devil can be likable.
Being moral and being likable are two separate issues.

>>91344469
Rick is actually funny sometimes, so he's more likeable.

>>91350335
Are you actually retarded?

>>91350335
kek

Quality post.

>>91349796
>you tried deflecting by claiming that you didn't imply that without even so much as posting what you did mean to sort out the supposed miscommunication.
That's because I'm different anon, dumbass.

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>>91344469
Id say rick is more likeable due to the fact that no matter what he ever manages to create or destroy, he will at every point be personally undermined by his own crippling loneliness, perpetuated by the emotional walls he establishes to protect the insecurities that he cannot fully justify due to his brilliance, but still feels nontheless due to his humanity.

IMO steven's strongest character moment was just opening up to the cool kids in the car out of nowhere. The idea that someone is both understanding of their mental and emotional holdups and yet still seeks to live over them while never really knowing what to do about them makes for a pretty human feeling character.

But again, thats really Ricks ENTIRE character. Its why the Unity episode is so strong. Rick absolutely falls for someone he shows he doesnt consider his intellectual equal, and even forgets about running around the galaxy looking for distractions, only to be told BY Unity that his personality is so strong that it pushes her own goals and desires to the wayside (something i think almost everyone experiences going through relationships one way or the other) has to leave him for her own good. Even when at his most loving, his strengths become his weaknesses and he gets seen as toxic.

>>91349632
Yes Steven is just wallowing in turmoil because he cares too much. Get the fuck outta here with your mary sue flaws

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>>91350690
>IMO steven's strongest character moment was just opening up to the cool kids in the car out of nowhere.

>not The Test
Even mostly all of his solo conversations to a gem had more of an emotional impact.

>>91350383
>>91350411
>>91350503
Like I said, contorting what likable is supposed to mean. Rick is intentionally unlikable.

>>91350227
>implying the fatness never being mentioned isn't an implicit thumbs up to the audience since the hamus planetarius's natural predator is articulated judgement

>>91344469
I liked Steven a lot in the first season when he acted like a normal kid growing up (and wasn't the size of a stump).

I think the new storyboarders looked at the near-death-experience PTSD moments he had early season 2 and misinterpreted them as a defining characteristic of Steven. Then they decided to write him as the most emotionally fragile character in all cartoons. Flanderization at its finest.

>>91350819
The Test was a lot better of a moment for the gems than for steven himself. The idea that theyd make up bullshit tests as a response for having no idea what was most important for him is great.

Steven's "moment" is deciding not to get mad about it and understanding that they were just trying their best with what they had. Its nice that he didnt decide to be a dick about it i guess, but it doesnt add a lot for him as a character internally.

Dont forget that his speach with the kids in the car contained steven showing an understanding that the gems probably resent him for just existing, its a way better character moment.

Steven is less likable, because they don't acknowledge it.
It's like Voldemort versus Umbridge or 4chan vs Tumblr. If you're going to be shit, own it. Rick and Morty owns the fact that Rick's a trash person.

>>91350858
Yes but that can make him likeable. theres a reason Mary Sue is a negative term. Flawed people can be more relatable and thus likable. Its like enjoying the lyrics of the blues over disco

>>91350690
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pTA0DSfrGZ0

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>>91344469
The alcoholic preachy hypocritical sociopath

>>91349632
Because they're idiots. They still try to push the meme of Steven crying and the universe bending over backwards to solve all the problems, even though crying has never not once solved the conflict of the episode, and there's only like one or two times Steven actually cried when his life was in danger, and both times he had to get over himself.

>>91350690
Rick's character has the depth of a teaspoon. We get all this drama about how Rick's a victim of his own intellect but it doesn't mean anything if every episode afterward Rick engages in self-centered, callous escapades for the sake of just doing it. Who gives a fuck when the show tries to pull a sappy moment if Rick's just gonna blow your brains out and replace you and everything goes on without a hitch. I cringe every time the show tries to pass itself for "omg so much drama, look how serious Morty is and how sad Rick is" I can't even take it serious because how silly the show is. It's cheap as hell.

>>91344469
>Lovecraftian
I don't think anyone knows what this word means any more...

>>91350123
>hahaha, look how adorable and "curvy" I am
>alright, I'm gonna get in shape
>this isn't working
>losing weight is actually literally impossible
>I'm just gonna stay fat because it's who I am :^)
>>91350227
>projecting this hard
You seem to be missing the subtle social cues indicating that Stephen's severe obesity is not, in fact, normal. Or, at least, it shouldn't be normal. I won't lie, I get pandering. When the Persian characters showed up on American Dad, I started watching it solely because the show got them right (a little too perfect and peachy, though). Likewise, I'm sure it must mean a lot to you to see a character that pants audibly through his wet nostrils whenever he has to walk outside.

>>91351331
>Ultra-fuckn'-crying gif.

>>91351363
What makes you think it isn't normal? Steven has superhuman strength and speed, and every Quartz except Skinny Jasper (who is defective) is very solidly built.

>>91351372
dude are you ok
he wasn't protecting SU, he didn't even mention it
yet you're still projecting
you need help

>>91351363
Man you're really upset about this imaginary version of the show you created in your head.

>>91351484
40k reference.
I meant the gif of this scene.
https://youtu.be/bM8YGsAmeqE?t=1m27s

>>91351314
>but it doesn't mean anything if every episode afterward Rick engages in self-centered, callous escapades for the sake of just doing it.

But thats the point, that IS the drama of being the victim of your own crippling insecurities to the point of having to distance yourself from everyone you meet and constantly drinking yourself into submission.

The difference between a character like Rick and someone like Bojak is the show's shtick that rick has the means by which to change most of his universe around to fit him as best as possible, and it still never makes him happy because it isnt the universe he'd need to change, its himself. The happiest we've ever seen him was partying with some ex without trying to change the universe in any way, just because he happened to care for her.

>Who gives a fuck when the show tries to pull a sappy moment if Rick's just gonna blow your brains out and replace you and everything goes on without a hitch.

But anon, there is a hitch. Theres always been a hitch, and its the cost of Rick's emotional state and wellbeing. When Morty and he go to the new dimension and settle in, we see Morty's shock and mental inability to fully comprehend not just the fragility of life but its forgetability.

Now id agree with you that IF Rick were just immune and calloused to all this shit, then he wouldnt be that interesting, but the point im trying to make is that Rick is in fact emotional eating himself from the inside by suppressing the external shit he causes. I actually had really hoped the season three premier cutbacks would never end and the show would stop, because i loved how season 2 ended with rick, despite having done everything in his power too help, still lost everything and in the end decided to give up and go to prison.