Is he the only Disney "Villain" that did absolutely

>did absolutely nothing wrong
He killed Harambe

>>91256901
No, the one from Bambi is

>killing gorillas
>not wrong
I mean, for the era, maybe not. But if murder is legal in a the paleolithic that doesn't make it not bad.

No, he was one of the worst. Him and Cruella and McLeach should get together and shit talk animals like a bunch of psychotic pussies.

>>91260051
>But if murder is legal in a the paleolithic that doesn't make it not bad.
It does make it not murder though.

>>91260454
I'd still call killing your neighbor or a passerby for their stuff or because they made you angry murder. Murder being bad is such a fundamental guideline that any society that condones it deserves to be called savage and objectively wrong. But that's just me.

>>91259982
The hunter in Bambi was shooting deer outside of deer season.

>>91260563
Murder is okay in many societies when you break the law or make someone feel threatened. Even if it's not legally called murder.

>>91256901
he tried to kill Tarzan and hung himself in the vines. So it's not like he was murdered in cold blood

>>91256901
That depends.

What was his motivation for wanting to capture the gorillas and sell them off?

Was it for just purely for the opportunity to hunt "savage beasts" or was being paid handsomely for securing gorillas for zoos or traders the only incentive?

>>91260664
That was only after Tarzan kept getting in his way.

If you watched the film he didn't plan on killing any one, except maybe some gorillas. He had them all locked up in the ship and probably was going to let them go after he was finished corralling a bunch of the gorillas up in cages.

>>91256901
>cast Brian Blessed
>don't make him a jovial old man who SHOUTS EVERYTHING

He was wrong from conception

>>91260776
Blessed was the one doing the Tarzan yell.

>>91256901
He staged a mutiny so he could hunt and capture wild gorillas to be sold for money, then he tried to kill people who tried to stop him.

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At least until he went out of his way to track Tod down after he was no longer a danger to his livestock.

>>91260620
Really? I remember them causing the forest fire because they were dumbfucks and didn't make the fire in a pit and surround it with rocks, but not that part. Also, who the fuck still hangs around to hunt in the middle of a forest fire?

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>>91256901
I don't know, but he had one of the single coolest fight scenes in any Disney movie ever.

Absolutely Kino.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Klxy7k3NXA

>>91256901
The badguy in Education for Death did nothing wrong either

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He was trying to capture a supposedly dangerous creature.

It's not his fault Lilo got in the way and he accidentally caught her instead.

>>91256901
One could argue Jafar was in the right. Jasmines father was a stupid manchild who let his people starve while he played with his toys. Im not saying Jafar is a good person, but wouldnt his rule be a step up?

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Fuck this asshole for trying to save people from a potential threat.

>>91261390
Aladdin. The story of a man who uses magic powers to trick a princess into marrying him vs. Jafar.

>>91260051
BUT DURING THE STONE AGE...!

>>91261390
Similarly, how was Yzma any worse a ruler than Kuzco?

>>91261124

is tarzan worth the watch? I hate his character design, but this was bretty gud

>>91261529
>>91261390
You're both banking that either of them would give a crap about the common folk after taking the throne

Did the cartoon version of Gaston really not do anything wrong?

>>91261239
I haven't seen Lilo and Stitch in a while but I vaguely remember him purposely keeping Lilo as bait, and even telling her that he was going to eat her

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Yeah, she bullied the main characters a few times, but she tried to help them save the world and then they let her stay mind raped.

>>91261608
He was a self centered prick but beyond that all he did wrong was refuse to listen to the pleas of a "mad old man" and those of his "mad daughter" that this horrible monster was friendly.

>>91260737

That's really not a good argument. "I wasn't going to kill anyone, but then this guy got in my way and took too long making his order at McDonalds so I did what I had to do."

>>91261479
>Bitch Queen stops all trade between their countries
>innocent citizens can't get goods

>>91261680
They can just start trading with another country, like Rapunzel's.

>>91261665

He incited the riot on Beast's castle because Belle liked the Beast more than him. "Someone might think you actually CARE about this creature" or whatever.

He was jealous, not afraid, and he used that jealousy to spark fear in the people of the village so they would help him destroy the thing that was keeping him from Belle.

If you want to argue that he really saw Beast as a threat, when the time came and he made it into the castle, he himself acknowledged that Beast wasn't fighting back, and still advanced on him to deliver the killing blow - he knew Beast was not a threat at that point, and we can assume he knew Beast was human-like enough that he didn't question Belle's apparent love of him. He was an attempted murderer.

>>91261604
Then again, Jafar was probably responsible for the poverty anyway considering he was the adviser doing all the day to day decisions. Still doesnt excuse Sultan's shit, the fat fuck

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Wanna know who did absolutely NOTHING wrong?

This feller right here.

>Makes explicit rules of no humans in the jungle
>Does this to protect the jungle and the animals who reside in it
>Fully cooperates with any animals he came across, kept professional demeanor
>Gives the kid a chance to leave jungle, even provides sporting chance for him to run/defend himself

>That heavy baritone voice
>Not to mention that HE WAS AN ANIMAL WHO WAS JUST FOLLOWING THE NATURAL ORDER

>>91259982
I read somewhere that they wanted to imply that Gaston was the one who killed Bambis mother.

>>91261823
In Jungle Book 3 he was supposed to turn good.

>>91261802
TV Show implies that Sultan was a badass adventurer when he was young. He just grew old and stopped giving s fuck.

>>91260951
...Yeah.. that old coot broke into a wilderness preserve with bear traps and a shotgun rather than let shit lie. He got better than he deserved.

>>91261608
..He has Bambi's Mom's head on a wall. And the whole blackmailing Belle thing. And really, when a man or Beast (as was the case) shows you a crapton of mercy after you break into *their* home with an incited mob, and your response is to try *again* to kill them, you can only blame yourself when you fall the fuck off the highest precipice of most any Disney films.

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I mean he was a sadistic little shit, but he didn't get to watch Toy Story like we did to be frightened into being extra nice to our toys incase they are sentient, because he is a character in Toy Story.

>>91261924
>Jungle Book 3

anon there is only ONE Jungle Book....book

besides, he was already a good guy

>>91256901
>poaching
>piracy
>assault
>attempted second degree murder
>mutiny
whether or not his actions were legal doesn't matter, he was most definately wrong

>>91261958
Actually, there are three Jungle Books. Four if you count that one not written by Kipling.

>>91261836
Wasn't Judge Doom also supposed to have taken credit for that too?

>>91256901
No, kidnapping and poaching Gorilla's is considered a dick move. Sure, they didn't know better at the time but that doesn't really stop it from being wrong, as much as you could argue that society was the real villain of the film.

But if I recall he was totally willing to kill/hurt other humans so that in itself makes him the worst of the worst, society be damned.
>>91260951
This one is far more understandable because he didn't go as far as to hurt other humans and he primary hunted less intelligent and legally during hunting seasons. He's also empathetic enough to let Tod live and became friends with the old lady at the end.

He's just a grump guy that liked hunting, nothing more then that.

>>91261762
>last ship there capsized and killed the reigning monarchs
Besides, what makes you think that Repunzel's kingdom offers goods that are of the same quality or similar prices? Maybe the aforementioned shipping hazards could drive up the prices.

>>91261639
Bretty sure that wasn't a serious threat

>>91256901
He is hired by researchers, but when he sees the opportunity he violates their contract and imprisons them.

Regardless of how he treats the gorillas, he's a criminal.

>>91261529
Kuzco was ambivalent and apathetic, Yzma was actively malicious and cruel. Yzma's selfishness was just as bad but Kuzco was a better option once he'd grown up.

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>>91261570
I have a soft spot for it. But there's a lot of nostalgia there.

Might depend on how you feel about Phil Collins musical segues.

>>91262166
Jane was hot, underrated Disney gal

>>91261570
I rewatched it for the first time recently, since it came out. It was WAY better than I remembered.

>>91261529
I don't think she was much worse really. But Kuzco had a character arc on his road trip and came out of it the better ruler.

Which wouldn't have happened if not for her assassination attempt, so I guess she did improve things inadvertently.

>>91262166
>musical segues
It's truly a Disney musical where the main characters don't sing, there's just non-diagetic music detailing the emotional arcs. If you like Collins, you'll enjoy Tarzan I bet.

>>91262143
kuzco was
A. the lesser of two evils
B. got a lot better over time
C. selfish and incompetent, but not evil and tyrannical

>>91262166
Phil Collins was the best part of Tarzan. Strangers Like Me and You'll be in My Heart are great songs.

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>>91262187
Seconded. She was a fun character.

>>91262218
Strangers Like Me is one of the better Collins songs in general.

>>91262218
You're not wrong, but Son of Man is a great training montage/best timeskip song.

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Terrifying killing machines but also non-sentient and literally just following their survival instincts

>>91262218
But they're still not as good as I'm Still Here from Treasure Planet

>>91261570
Easily one of the most beautiful Disney films with lots of great animation and visuals, especially the tree swinging.

Characters are well written and enjoyable to watch. Jane is a surprisingly fun love interest and watching Tarzan trying to find his self identity creates some great character development.

Music is all over the place. The film overly relies to much on Phil Collins and I didn't find him fitting with the movie. At one point they have a musical number despite all there music coming from Phil Collins and it feels out of place, and they don't have another traditional music number after it.

8/10 unless you really hate Phil Collins it's very much worth a watch.

>>91260625
It's not legally called murder because it's not.

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Just wants his treasure back from some little flying shithead who stole it from him

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sup

>>91261390
Aladdin is kind of a douchey guy but he legitimately seems to believe in "love" or something and would probably care about the people due to being a street rat. Jafar is basically a bad guy from a Conan novel.

>>91261479
This, purge the ice witch tbhfam.

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This motherfucker

>>91262305
whether or not codified into law, making a plan to kill someone and following through with it is pretty evil

>>91261608
attempted murder of nobility was a crime back in the day

>>91261479
Not even "potential" really; she had proven herself to be incredibly dangerous by freezing at least her kingdom, and I don't think they ever showed how far that actually spread so it could have affected other countries as well.

>>91262076
He's still being an asshole to a seven year old girl with mental issues

>>91261665
Did you forget how he used a corrupt insane asylum warden to threaten to lock up Belle father if she didn't marry him?

Even the warden says her father was harmless.

>>91262390
>mutiny
>homicide
>piracy
>arson
>theft
>assault
>stealing a lifeboat, distinct from normal theft, since it is combined with creating a workplace hazard

>>91262411
Yeah but he's also an alien bounty hunter so "being nice" isn't really in the job description. An asshole for sure, but not evil.

>>91262390
Nah, if he really did nothing wrong then it make his development to care for Jim as a father surrogate and choose to do the right thing at the end less impact.

The fact he did some things wrong is what makes him so great, because he still chose to not be the villain.

>>91262390
Good character.

Not above a little murder though.

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He overthrew (literally) a non-elected autocrat and reversed anti-immigration laws and segregation. Wasn't his fault there was a fucking drought.

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The society the Mongols put in place after they conquered China IRL was actually pretty decent and advanced for its time.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yuan_dynasty#Society

>>91262550
>Wasn't his fault there was a fucking drought.
Laughed harder than I should have.

>>91262550
he was a cruel leader nobody liked, who committed murder, treason, a coup , leaving his cronies out to dry, attempted murder of a minor, would rather let his subject starve than leave, being a jerk

>>91262550
>Wasn't his fault there was a fucking drought.
True but the fact he refused to let his people relocate out of pride is a huge sign of a shitty leader.

The fact that the drought ended immediately after his death was kinda funny though.

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>Just wants to be like humans
>Rescues boy from jungle and treats him quite well
>Politely asks how to make fire
>When boy refuses he doesn't get angry, just sings
>Suddenly a black panther and fatass bear show up and wreck your whole house

>>91262588
huns was chosen for rhyme, the time period mulan apparently takes place in had mongols integrated into chinese society

they may actually be the xiong nu, and are called that in the chinese version

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>>91261823
Shere Khan was even better in Talespin

>>91262076
>take little girl
>tell creature you know to be violent and unpredictable "this is food for you"
>put little girl in tube with said creature
>begin flight to outer space
>not serious

'K then

>>91262330
What treasure?

I thought he just wanted revenge for getting his hand chopped off.

>>91262588
No source but I'm pretty sure the huns weren't strictly, Mongol but rather just northern steppe people like Xiongnu. I think the movie takes place centuries before the Mongol invasions.

>>91262266
Patrician taste here.

>>91261947
He was a sadistic little shit to what he thought were non-living plastic. He was a bit of a dick to his sister, but so are most older brothers.

>>91262305
Well that's just retarded, who is the person who has the right to decide what kill constitutes a murder and what doesn't? Objectively a lethal injection or a face full of lead, same result.

>>91262234
>And Daddy, they took my Boot!

>>91262330
Hook is really sympathetic in the original book. It makes his death quite tragic.

Fuck, J.M. Barrie's Peter Pan is so good. Everyone should read it if they haven't

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>>91256901
Ayyy, that's nice reference pose for holding guns.

>>91262762
Shere Khan vs Lex Luthor.

>>91262865

murder has specific conditions to be called murder

-Unlawful
-killing
-through criminal act or omission
-of a human
-by another human
-with malice aforethought.

that is why we have other shit like homicide and manslaughter

>>91262588
>every invader from the north of china are mongols

I want this meme to die.
They're clearly supposed to be the Xiongnu These are they guys that had been fucking China's northern border since the Han dynasty and would continue to be a major threat that even China at its peak moments would rather pay off than deal with.
Also he is literally named after https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modu_Chanyu

>>91262417
He thought a clearly dangerous path was a shortcut and often put himself and belle at risk with his experiments. He was a danger to himself and others.
The warden was a quack if he thought Maurice was harmless.

>>91262039
He fucked up at the third act though by breaking into a wildlife preserve with his guns and traps. To kill a single fucking fox-- I'm surprised he expected to find Todd at all. I mean, yes, he was pretty understandably upset by the injuries to his prized hunting dog, but he was the one who took shit to where it was, and if it weren't for the fact he realized the error of his ways, he'd have deserved to be killed by that bear.

>siding with villains
>the edge

>>91262335
She cheated at numerous points in her agreement in a clandestine plot to overthrow the rightful ruler of a kingdom by exploiting his dumb-ass daughter... who would have LEGITIMATELY won the bargain had she not interfered.

>>91262811
The treasure bit is from Return to Neverland; he probably lost his hand in the fight over it which makes his motives even more understandable.

>>91262980
>man deserves death because he flies off the handle when his beloved pet nearly gets killed

>>91263028

There was never a non-interference clause, buddy.

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He was just a typical 4chan neet that ended up a pawn of a psychotic robot

>>91261570
Actually watched it recently because I was seeing if I liked these movies because of nostalgia or if they were actually good.

It holds up really well and I like it a lot. My opinion isn't anymore important than yours, but I believe Tarzan to be pretty great.

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>>91256901

These fuckers would like to have a word with you.

>>91263124
>>>/v/

>>91263140
Kingdom Hearts is /co/ you retard

>>91262640
Mufasa was an asshole as well. Wouldn't let the hyenas in, pretty much forcing them to live in a wasteland to starve to death. Zazu was supposed to be his top adviser but Mufasa had no respect for him and used him as target practice for his son.

>>91256901
G A S T O N
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>>91263088
I meant more of the "you broke into a protected wildlife area, I'm not going to feel sorry for you at all if a bear eats you." caveat. Sympathy only goes so far.

>>91263100
You're not really helping her case, here.

>>91263164
No, it's /v/. Nobody talks about Disney Interactive here.

>>91263164

The copyrights to all of KH's OCs are also held by Disney.

>>91263000
Sometimes villains are just outright a lot more interesting than the protagonists

>>91263227

I'm actually a little surprised no one's made or pitched a KH cartoon.

>>91263227

Quit your blubbering, we talk about /co/-related vidya all the time.

>>91263204
>risks his own life to ensure his best friend's future
Now that's stupid, sure, but heroism isn't famous for being smart.

>>91263262

Someone tried to when the game first came out, the plans fell through because Eisner thought it would be too violent.

>>91263262
There was one pitched shortly after KH 1 came out, storyboard and everything, but it didn't pan out.

>>91262913
I'm pretty sure I read a sequel where he turned out alive. Was the story where Peter started wearing Hook's jacket and the children from the first book who grew up stole their children's clothes to get back to Neverland written by a different author?

>>91262848
It's an older siblings god given right to be reasonably dickish to the younger one.
Helps them learn to cope.

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>>91261823

Man, for once, I actually agree with a "did nothing wrong." Looking at it from a non-human perspective, humans are fucking terrifying. No other animal is a superpredator, and no other animal is responsible for the mass ongoing extinction of so many other species, a great die off that started in the paleolithic, by the way. There's a reason all animals the aren't in such isolated places they've never had to deal with humans before fears humans.

Fuck, Mowgli probably went on to kill hundreds of tigers and sell their pelts to people as rugs. That's just what humans do. If some monster species was doing that to us all the time, we'd kill the baby death creatures if we could, too.

>>91263263
Kingdom Hearts is /a/ related vidya. Sorry.

>>91263329
(((((polls)))))

>>91262550
>Wasn't his fault there was a fucking drought.

I always thought it was hilarious that it implied being a bad leader could lead to a drought as a kid.

>>91263303
Must be. Barrie never wrote a sequel

>>91263336

How in sweet merciful fuck can you say that when it takes more from Disney than it does SE?

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What kind of batty old lady leaves all her money to a bunch of cats?

>>91263329
I'll bet none of those animals got to cast a vote. Of course humans are gonna win apex. All of the voting was done by humans.

>>91263405
Disney doesn't just make /co/.

>>91263358

That picture's just from a joke article, but the basics of how dangerous humans are is patently true. As soon as we learned how to use spears we started running roughshod over everything else and other animals learned to run from us. Something to be proud of but scary to our prey.

>>91262653
It was one of those "the king is one with the land" type things I think. Scar was a shitty person so the land he was ruling became shit.

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>>91262261
This anon gets it

>>91263419
What kind of idiot Butler takes more than an afternoon to realize that he would still outlive the cats and presumably get their fortune afterward, and or still have the run of the place as long as he fucking cares for *four* animals who can't possibly blow the old bat's entire bank account and then just accept shit as it was.

I mean, seriously, unless he was deathly allergic to them (and that oughtn't have come up before the movie) there are *alot* worse strings that could be attached to a fucking fortune.

>>91262653
It was a "king without a sword, land without a king" deal. Rafiki wasn't the only magical element in Lion King. Divine right played a huge part. The empty throne (since Scar wasn't really king) actually did cause the drought and Simba's return did end it.

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>>91262261
>best dinosaurs are always just mindless monsters
>peabrained herbivores always talking and emotive

>>91263584
The problem is that her lawyer would probably have elected to take responsibility for the cats, which would lead the money to him. The cats and the money would go to his next of kin.
Edgar couldn't risk that.

>>91263419
>>91263584

I agree with both of these. Leaving $$$ to you cats is fucking obnoxious, but inheriting a fortune and just having to take care of a couple of cats for a little while as a condition? Even if I fucking hated cats, I'd do it. They were pretty damn well behaved animals, too.

>>91263329
>turns out its man

>>91263390
Its actually a real possibility. Mismanagement of water resources was a serious issue for many polities. One of the major running themes of the Dynastic Cycle in China is that mismanagement of the Yellow River would lead to floods in some regions and drought/famines in others often leading to the fall of a dynasty

>>91263419
What kind of batty old lady leaves all her money to his buttler?

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>>91263637
>the Brachiosaurus is always the smart one
>despite them being huge dumbasses irl

>>91263747
>They were pretty damn well behaved animals, too.

Not to mention they could play the fucking piano, those cats are money makers in their own right

>>91263767

The Holocene extinction, the sixth mass extinction on earth, is because of humans. It's still happened and it started in prehistoric times with our hunting for example the megafauna to extinction. The initial waves were solely due to human predation. Look at ancient Australia, human hunting alone wiped out a shitton, and this was with primitive weapons.

>>91263850
Two brains lol

>>91261608
>Had a harmless old man committed so he could entrap his hot daughter into being his wife/live-in miad
I love Gaston but there's no question he was a piece of shit. This wasn't "oh, he just assumed the Beast was bad because he looks dangerous", he pulled a lot of scummy shit and kept attacking even after it was clear that the Beast wasn't gonna fight back.

He took sadistic glee in shitting on things and people he deemed below him.

>>91261651
It was a whole town of villains.

>>91263738
Didn't the old lady at the end admit the fortune would go to her butler after the cats passed away?

>>91263859
Fuck yeah.

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>>91261124
This shot is pretty amazing

>>91263924
I still remember reacting to that shot in theaters as a kid. Stuck with me.

>>91259982
You're not supposed to shoot does.

>>91263923
I think so, but all she had to do was tell Edgar. Would've saved us 90 minutes and a jazz gig.

>>91261823
>>91263329
The reason the jungle animals frown on killing humans is that it just provokes them into revenge killing.

In the books, Shere Khan goes after human prey because he's got a bad leg and is shitty at catching regular animals.

>>91263972
It was coming right for him though.

>>91261665
>>91261942
>>91262407
>>91263911
Thanks for the answer.

Had to ask because in the live action reboot, he tied up Belle's father in the middle of a forest and left him there.

Wasnt sure if that happened in the cartoon movie

>>91263972
A lot of states have days where hunting does is legal because their population is out of control.

>>91264074
>they needed him to do something wrong

Now that's funny.

>>91261942
>He has Bambi's Mom's head on a wall.
He had a doe's head on his wall. Could've been any doe.

>>91264074
>Disney realizes Gaston did nothing wrong
>shoehorns in an evil deed

Bravo

I hate this shitty fucking meme.

>>91260051
He also betrayed his clients, imprisoned them and then hijacked a ship.

>>91264170
He was unprofessional, sure, but all his clients had to do was a simple run on his background. Jane's dad bought a tiger for a watchdog. His retardation nearly cost him his family and his life.

>>91260563
>>91260454
>>91260625
"murder" is a legal term. It is not equivocal to "killing a person".

>>91264260
This. Murder is always killing, but killing isn't always murder.

>>91264247
This somehow makes him less in the wrong?
You also state that like running a background check in Victorian England was such an easy thing to do