>It's a "LETS RESOLVE EVERYTHING IN ONE EPISODE"

>>91212284
Better than doing a season long overarching story when that isn't the show's strong point.

>>91212284
>mfw I still love Gem Drill not because of the rushed climax but because of the very sweet and sincere interaction between Steven and Peridot
>mfw I have no face

>>91212284
I would have liked it better if they hadn't already used the "Rick tricks the guys trying to get information out of him by giving them bogus information" bit in the one with the simulation

>>91212292
but there's always a point for such scheme

>>91213224
When the two latest South Park seasons did that there was very little payoff

>>91212623
The episode itself was not bad, but in the context of the whole cluster/malachite arcs it was disappointing.

Was probably the last episode that I truly loved Peridot too.

>>91212284
Yep and it was fucking great.

>>91212284
If you thought the cluster was ever going to be a major threat then you're a retard.

It would literally destroy the earth if it took form, what other way could they resolve it?

>>91212284
Yes, that's how episodic TV shows work.

>>91213267
So why bother hyping it up so much?

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>>91212623
>We will never have them interact like that ever again

>>91212284
>both are written by women
Really makes you think.

>>91213273
It was just background noise to facilitate Peridot's arc anon, if you hyped it up yourself then that's your problem.

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>>91212623
>Remembering when peridot was good

Why did you do what?

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>>91213291

CN, Sugar and the story itself hyped up, what are you talking about?

>>91212284
Every episode should do that.

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>>91212284
>people actually believed the federation-setting and the Rick-prison-plot would last longer than the season opener
I warned you so many times, /co/, now it's time to enjoy your tears

>>91213315
>CN, Sugar and the story itself hyped up, what are you talking about?
CN are retarded and the other stuff isn't true.

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>>91213291
>if you expect good storytelling then that's your problem

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>>91213821
gem drill appreciation thread

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>>91212623
I too, miss SU before everything went full spongebob season 5

>>91213800
Well, you know, it was posible, the ending gave at least hints of regret or a plot

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>>91213800
>that image
facebook needs to be nuked

>>91213244
Dont remind me...

>>91212284
? Rick and Morty, I get it, but the cluster arc took a whole lots of episode to be solved.

>>91213920
I guess the argument here is that the conclusion felt rushed

>>91212284
I want to hear Peridot's voice actress say Rick lines, it'd be cute as hell.

>>91213972
I don't think the cluster has been resolved just yet, all they did was bubble it to keep it in a stasis. The diamonds may attempt to reactivate it when they find out

>>91213972
Not really?The conclusion took the full of the last episode, and there was quite a build-up to in the previous eps.

>implying any of it was canon

>>91213838
There was good storytelling, the problem is that you were expecting a different story about dealing with a giant bomb over a million episodes or... something? It's still not clear what you expected, it was a threat that destroys the world if materialized, of course it was only going to be resolved by making sure it never happened.

>>91214283
>"Hey cluster, please stop"
>"Yeah okay"

I get that you were refering about peridot's character arc (Which i liked) but that went down the drain after a while

>>91214355
>>"Hey cluster, please stop"
>>"Yeah okay"
Not what happened. Steven had to deal with a complete mental breakdown.

And there are quite a few episodes of buildup before the confrontation.

>>91212284
>>It's a "LETS RESOLVE EVERYTHING IN THREE FINAL EPISODES" episode

>>91214355
>"Hey cluster, please stop"
You know it wasn't as simple as that, Steven looked like he was going to shit himself several times throughout the encounter just to talk to them without them blowing up. He was sweating and close to collapsing and visions of ghosts surrounded him at one point and the cluster almost blew up like two or three times.

As far as "talking it down" as a plot point goes I think they managed to hit on the only way to make it work.

>>91212284
The rick and morty reset was necessary because it's a fucking comedy show. I hope they cut the emotional bullshit out in the new season because that's what made season 2 tank.

>>91214383
>buildup

The whole series is a constant buildup man, the moment they got there it was solved in less than 5 minutes

>complete mental breakdown

He had to deal with feeling uncomfortable for a few moments, after that he was okay, he had no control over what was happening, his link with the cluster was automatic with no imput from him

>>91212284
>multi-episode arcs
>multi-book arcs
>multi-movie arcs
>episodic video games

Decompression is the cancer that is destroying entertainment media

>>91214458
I almost agreed with you until I realized you were talking about SU. That Cluster shit had no fucking foreshadowing. It was introduced randomly one episode, hat two episodes of them anticipating it, then one episode resolving it and a few episodes in between that were only tangentially related and pertained to the larger overarching plot. It existed for one purpose and one purpose only: to give Peridot a common objective and make her turncoating seem like less of an ass-pull. Just because practically a year's worth of hiatus came in between doesn't mean it was organically developed.

>>91214458
>the moment they got there it was solved in less than 5 minutes
they took the full of the episode to deal with it. Not 5 minutes.

>>91212623
It was Peridot before she was ruined. Just like everything in this show.

>>91214487
>everything must be resolved in the arbitrary timeframes dictated by limitations of media production and audience consumpton
step on lego

>>91215026
just did. felt like spring grass. your move, freak.

>>91212623
That was the last good episode for me and as a Stevidot fag it was a rollercoaster

>>91214053
You give too much credit to the writers.

My main, huge problem with the cluster is that the whole thing was, again, solved by just talking.

For starters, of fucking course they have to give Steven yet another special snowflake ability to link mentally with the whole thing, while Peridot doesn't. I want to believe it was similar to his ability to enter into other people's dreams or similar to how he managed to communicate with Lapis while fused, but still feels like an asspull. It seriously annoys me that for some reason Rose Quartz somehow has so many abilities making the rest of the whole cast look almost useless.

Second, and as I said, the whole thing is solved by talking. We could have had Peridot turning the drill into a robot to fight hundreds of gem monsters along with Steven, hell, they could have fused even which could have been nice as Peri's first fusing experiment. But no, just fall asleep because somehow Steven can mentally link with the whole thing and just tell them "hey, can you please stop?".

Is it asking too much? I guess for this cartoon, it is.

>>91212284
Steven Universe didnt reveal their main bad guy until season 3, and then 2 seasons later still haven't resolved any of the mysteries it set up.

Shut the fuck up, they should be taking notes from Rick and Morty.

>>91215385
>was, again, solved by just talking.
bubbling, actually. That was actually brought quite smoothly
>For starters, of fucking course they have to give Steven yet another special snowflake ability to link mentally with the whole thing
It wans't new, it had been established previously
> I want to believe it was similar to his ability to enter into other people's dreams or similar to how he managed to communicate with Lapis while fused, but still feels like an asspull.
It's exactly what it is and therefore there is zero asspull with that.
> It seriously annoys me that for some reason Rose Quartz somehow has so many abilities making the rest of the whole cast look almost useless.
We don't know if it is because of a Rose Quar ability she had, or because he is an hybrid. And it doesn't make the other useless. Steven's power are complementary.

>Second, and as I said, the whole thing is solved by talking
Bubbling
>But no, just fall asleep because somehow Steven can mentally link with the whole thing and just tell them "hey, can you please stop?".
Telling to stop wasn't enough, he had to kcikstart the bubbling. Steven found an idea and it worked.

>Is it asking too much? I guess for this cartoon, it is.
You were asking for a final showdown of what was basically a mid-season episodes before the season was cut in half. Since then, we have got several fights already.

If we have to see Steven fighting against an army of gems, it's way too early for that and will only come when we get closer to then end of the story.

I was kinda hoping the pickle rick animattic would be in the prison break. But thank FUCK they just got a divorce, that whole plot was going nowhere.

>>91215966
>implying su won't get cancelled before it properly ends and the writers just rush everything out

>>91212284
better to get back to more episodic episodes which justin roiland wanted to the series in the first place instead of unnecessarily dragging out the plot

>>91214540
What? Pretty much episode since Peridot was introduced up to "Gem Drill" hinted at something about the Cluster. In "Warp Tour" and "Marble Madness", she mentions work at the Prime Kindergarten. In "The Return"/"Jailbreak", Peridot directly mentions the Cluster for the first time, calling it "the whole point" of them coming to Earth. In "Keeping It Together", she's at the Kindergarten talking about "fusion experiments", in "Friendship" she says "This planet has an expiration date, and I'm not gonna stick around to find out when!", and in "Catch and Release", she's horrified at the idea of her dying on Earth. From then on, there was the whole barn arc, which obviously lead to the bubbling of the Cluster. It had been foreshadowed anywhere from 20-40 episodes before it had even been described in detail, and definitely was not an asspull.

>>91212284
Looking at that picture of Steven and Peridot just reminds me of how much the artstyle's degenerated.

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>>91217031
>how much the artstyle's degenerated.
I agree, they're being lazy at this point.

Watched a video talking (kissing ass) about it. Made me cringe pretty hard as to how much damage control this lady was pumping out.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe2CdCwCBSA&t=1s

>W-we shouldn't be mad! It's representing the diversity that's celebrated in SU! I'm glad my characters change art styles within two scenes!

>>91217133
How new are you? from the very start, the boarders have clearly stated they don't give a fuck about size-model.

Nothing new, here.

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>>91217308
Oh, but of course. Because they save time by not worrying about consistency in order to have better writing. Right?

Oh.

>>91214051
Shelby has a on camera role in some shitty Youtube Red series now. She plays some nerdy best friend but it does give some opportunities for editors to use her lines for SU meme vids.

>>91214053
It's interesting how the cluster is still mentioned occasionally. I'm trying not to get my hopes up too much but who knows they will do something big with it again later on.

>>91217381
>Because they save time by not worrying about consistency in order to have better writing. Right?
Right indeed. The show is well written.

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>>91217442
>Right indeed. The show is well written.
Hey we're all entitled to our opinions. Don't agree with yours but oh well.

Plus, Peridot gradually becoming smaller and smaller is still lousy from an animation perspective. New news or not.

>>91217461
>Plus, Peridot gradually becoming smaller and smaller is still lousy from an animation perspective. New news or not.
They only care about relative size. Steven has gone through the sizotron quite a lot, too.

>>91217442
I'm an SU fan, but the show is not very well-written at all. Certain episodes are great, but as a cohesive narrative, it's terrible. Not even individual episodes are that good anymore.

>>91217518
>Relative size
So you're either 7 feet tall or you go through height rearrangement freak outs every episode.

>>91217308
t. stupid SUfag

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>>91213847
>Not posting the more superior screencap of that moment

Her smile only lasted half a second before Steven interrupted her, yelling about the Cluster, but boy it was cute. Shows how much she learned to care.
Same with Gem Harvest when uncle Andy gave Steven a bear hug and all of the gems getting protective. Peridot was fucking growling at Andy when Steven appeared to be in danger to her.

>>91212292
Working so far

>>91217541
I have liked all of the recent episode except th recent Ronaldo one because it was a cringefest. It help that I am not a Lore addict. But even before that, the mini arc with the Zoomans and Blue Diamond was great.
>>91217551
They are whatever size the boarders wan them to be.
>>91217555
Nothing stupid about being aware of facts.

>>91217518
Which is still inconsistent. Peridot is suppose to be a tiny bit taller than Steven and same size as Amethyst. Yet in her last appearance Raven boarded her smaller than him. Zuke on the other hand was surprisingly consistent in that episode.

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>>91214424
That's a normal day for that pussy.

>>91217649
"Ha ha ha".

>>91217606
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AvNLIZJs-hE

Oh yeah, those arcs with the zoo and the diamonds coming to Earth sure are being fleshed well. And showing how intelligent/competent the characters are, especially Garnet.

I love this writing for this show!

How are you supposed to root for these characters besides when they have emotional breakdowns? They can't even see 3 feet in front of them it seems. I want competent protagonists again, not these bumbling idiots.

>>91217606
>It help that I am not a Lore addict.
Neither am I, the show was at its peak in season one IMO. More plot kind of ruined the show's charm. Now it's either plot dump or literally nothing.

>>91217442
>The show is well written.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>91217616
My point is, if you are going too get fixated on character-size on a shown the writers themselves have said they don't give a fuck, you will only end up hurting yourself.

They have acknowledged there is a size issue and stated they don't care, not much else can be done from that point.

I mean imagine if there is a show where they like to showcase sexy character and some of the fanbase complain that they are sexualising their character andthe show creators say, yeah, we do, because that's how we like it. Do you think it's legit for them to keep complaining?

>>91213800
>Implying the episode itself wasn't an hoax for April Fools
>Implying it's not Rick in a simulation.

>>91217673
>Oh yeah, those arcs with the zoo and the diamonds coming to Earth sure are being fleshed well. And showing how intelligent/competent the characters are, especially Garnet.
You know epiosdes can showcases flaws too. It(s quite clear it wans't attmepting to portray Ganret as being right.
>How are you supposed to root for these characters besides when they have emotional breakdowns? They can't even see 3 feet in front of them it seems. I want competent protagonists again, not these bumbling idiots.
Competent character can do mistake too. And the show laid down beforhand quite clearly why Garnet would lose her shit around BD.
The fact that those fuck up are actually consistent with the characters IS proof that it is a well written show.

>>91217673
>she is going to rat out
Rat out what? There is nothing she learned Yellow Diamond didn't knew already.

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>>91217758
>The fact that those fuck up are actually consistent with the characters IS proof that it is a well written show.

Oh yeah, she's so afraid of Blue Diamond. That's why she didn't care at all when the transport that was going to tell the Diamonds that Rose was still alive and on the planet got away Scott free!

So consistent, you're so right. You're beating around the bush, this show has sub-par writing at best.

>>91217793
Rose is still alive (not actually but the Rubies are disabled), Crystal Gems are still kicking, Jasper's pretty much dead, and etc.

>>91217846
>. That's why she didn't care at all when the transport that was going to tell the Diamonds that Rose was still alive and on the planet got away Scott free!
Nothing new for yellow Diamond, there.
>Rose is still alive (not actually but the Rubies are disabled)
Yellow Diamond already knew about that
>Crystal Gems are still kicking
Yellow Diamond already knew about that.
> Jasper's pretty much dead, and etc.
They actually have no idea of what happened to Jasper.
>So consistent, you're so right. You're beating around the bush, this show has sub-par writing at best.
Not the show fault if you are going to nitpick on inconsistency that only exist in your head.

>>91217927
Proof that Yellow diamond knows? They pretty much corrupted every single gem on that planet for all they know. They don't expect her to be around and slowly pulling more gems to her cause.

That sound they set off from their knowledge destroyed the entirety of the Crystal Gems. You're pulling that out of your ass.

But she's gone? With no evidence of where she is? And the Crystal Gems were lying about her whereabouts? It's a pretty safe assumption from their perspective that she's either hostage or they killed her.

You're baiting, you have to be baiting. Nobody can be this thick skulled.

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>>91218010
>They pretty much corrupted every single gem on that planet for all they know. They don't expect her to be around and slowly pulling more gems to her cause.

Then what the hell did Peridot tell her when the Gems stopped her in the Kindergarten the first time? She not only saw all the CGs and even said that there weren't supposed to be any Gems left on Earth, and they even referred to themselves by name. Hell Peridot even said she filed a report on the incident, hence why Jasper was with her when she came to Earth for the third time.

Did Yellow Diamond just not ask what Peridot needed a body guard for? Because that seems like a pretty big fucking oversight on her part.

>>91218010
>Proof that Yellow diamond knows?
Homeworld Gems know about the Crystal Gems surviving corruption ever Since Peridot entered in contact with the Kindergarten. She directly saw them and reported it.
>That sound they set off from their knowledge destroyed the entirety of the Crystal Gems. You're pulling that out of your ass.
PERIDOT SAW GEMS NOT AFFECTED BY CORRUPTIONS AND CALLING THEMSELVES BY THE NAME OF THE REBELLIOUS GROUP.
>But she's gone? With no evidence of where she is? And the Crystal Gems were lying about her whereabouts? It's a pretty safe assumption from their perspective that she's either hostage or they killed her.
What? Now you are the one pulling things out of your asses, they have zero reasons to assume any of this.
>You're baiting, you have to be baiting. Nobody can be this thick skulled.
You are the one pulling made up assumptions homeworld could do out of fucking nowhere, you know.

>>91218106
>Did Yellow Diamond just not ask what Peridot needed a body guard for?
>>91218106
Actually, the body guard was imposed on her. She didn't want Jasper to tag along, just the ship.

So assuming Yellow Diamond imposed Jasper while knowing nothing of the report is even stupider.

>>91218010
Ignore him. Some SUfags have brain damage

>>91218106
>Did Yellow Diamond just not ask what Peridot needed a body guard for?
Nothing new. Every single gem is retarded.

>>91218106
Honestly it seems the Diamonds are not interested in the whereabouts of a single Peridot (there are probably many of them). This got confirmed in Message Received with YD saying she wasn't interested in the puny thoughts of a Peridot.

However...Homeworld does have generals, commanders, managers etc. which means whoever Peridot's manager is should have received the report and alarm a higher up about a CG sighting on earth. Unless the manager is fucking incompetent and thought a random era 2 Peridot wouldn't know what a CG looks like and disregarded the situation. She didn't bother to inform and just sent a Jasper and some weird Lapis who somehow returned from earth along with this Peridot. Again, that manager must be really fucking stupid.

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>>91218122
Oh? Is that why there was tension built around the fact that Peridot was on the verge of ratting out the Crystal Gems to Yellow diamond? Because she knows already?

Why she had to lie about their ship going down because of an accident? Because she knows already?

>PERIDOT SAW GEMS NOT AFFECTED BY CORRUPTIONS AND CALLING THEMSELVES BY THE NAME OF THE REBELLIOUS GROUP.
Yeah, because there's likely no other gems stationed on that planet so it's safe to assume that if you see a gem on it's affiliated with the cause. That doesn't mean they had prior knowledge of them existing on the planet.

Is that why a Ruby was freaking out about the idea of Rose still being alive? And that she could take her back to Yellow diamond for a reward? Seriously?

>You are the one pulling made up assumptions homeworld could do out of fucking nowhere, you know.
Better than making assumptions about ruthless leaders "knowing" the supposed murder of their sister is still alive and well and not caring.

>>91218197
>Nothing new. Every single gem is retarded.
You call me retarded yet you're hopping on the ship of the guy who says this show has good writing.

>>91218197
>I am going to assume gems are stupid instead of accepting the obvious explanation.
I might not be the smartest guy, but I at least don't assume the "correct" explanation is the one that piss me off just so I can feed my rage bonner.

>>91217308
Why is there always someone that wants to run damage control on something that is clearly fucked up?

>>91218170
>>91218106
Maybe it's just bureaucracy. Yellow Diamond never asked Peridot just went up the chain of command who just treated it like a common incident. YD wasn't aware of anything actually going wrong until Peridot got pretty much the number to the Presidents Red Phone.

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>>91218266
So basically it's a plot hole that's only resolved by inferring that events occurred off screen to artificially keep the antagonists on the back burner that are never once referenced in-show?

>>91218315
Because denying your show has blatant flaws is much better than criticizing it in hopes that they will improve.

Sit back and enjoy this, y-you should be lucky you even have this show! Stop thinking so hard, Anon.

>>91218395
I'm afraid so. But I'm interested to see whatever excuse they'll use later on when HW finally gets its shit together and comes to earth.

>>91218275
>Oh? Is that why there was tension built around the fact that Peridot was on the verge of ratting out the Crystal Gems to Yellow diamond? Because she knows already?
No, there was tension because they didn't knew what she was going to do. Also, they were worried she could bust their operation to stop the Cluster from forming.

Reminder that the only intelligence of value is that the CLuster is currently a dude and it's the one pice of data the rubies don't know.

>Why she had to lie about their ship going down because of an accident? Because she knows already?
She lied about it so that it wouldn't appear she was under the captivity of the gems and so Yellow Diamond could trust what she'd say.
>That doesn't mean they had prior knowledge of them existing on the planet.
And? From the moment Peridot reported them, they knew there was Gems on theplanet, which bring me back to my point: there is nothing the Rubies know that Yellow Diamond doesn't already.

>Better than making assumptions about ruthless leaders "knowing" the supposed murder of their sister is still alive and well and not caring.
Zero assumptions about it. There is zero reason she wouldn't knew. And you assuming she doesn't care IS an asspul. She is still expecting the cluster to destroy the planet and all the gem that shattered Pink Diamond. But as she LITERALLY SUNG herself, she is moving on. Cluster Emerge, Crystal Gem die she move on. That's how she see things going on right now.

>You call me retarded yet you're hopping on the ship of the guy who says this show has good writing.
he is calling you retarded,because you rely on a lot of of assumption to piss yourself out so you can reject basic and obvious explanation that wouldn't justify your hate for the show.

>>91218348
>YD wasn't aware of anything actually going wrong until Peridot got pretty much the number to the Presidents Red Phone.
She was very warae of it. YD directly aske about the mission and how the Cluster was going on.


Thinking Yellow Diamond didn't knew about the Crystal Gem pinterrupting a remote control check on one of his most importnat projet is really stretching it.

>>91218412
>Because denying your show has blatant flaws is much better than criticizing it in hopes that they will improve.
see >>91217702
There is zero denying, there, the show has incostent size. That mcuch is agreed on by everyone.

Now the show runner have stated they don't give a fuck about it. what do you wan to do form that point on?

>>91218395
>So basically it's a plot hole that's only resolved by inferring that events occurred off screen to artificially keep the antagonists on the back burner that are never once referenced in-show?
>>91218446
Uh, no, that's a critic (i.e., Garnet is stupid for letting Nay go) that is only justified by assuming events occurred off screen to artificially keep the antagonists on the back burner that are never once referenced in-show.

This is the required assumption to make the complain about Navy being let go valid.

On the other hand, we can simply assume that Yellow Diamond already know everything that the rubies know and that they are bring no info of value, because Peridot already reported to YD everything of value when her remote checking was interrupted by the CG.

People who complain about the writing, have to deny tat assumptions and make plenty of other to justify their rage.

>>91218461
>And? From the moment Peridot reported them, they knew there was Gems on theplanet, which bring me back to my point: there is nothing the Rubies know that Yellow Diamond doesn't already.
>Implying her reports even got off planet after they smashed all of her technology and she says on multiple occasions that she's stranded with no hope of help

Huh? Oh, but you are assuming. The Diamonds give little shits about sending a group of Rubies to a planet that supposedly has an active rebellion on it and it's leader that are all more than competent of taking out Rubies in combat. They weren't even expecting resistance, they just went there looking for Jasper.

And what's to halt the Crystal Gem's ideological spread to other planets and Home world controlled regions? That's a writing flaw right there, a slow burning mluti-century taking bomb? That's completely stupid.

Oh, and Blue Diamond going to a planet with a Pearl escort when a gem capable of destroying Diamonds is hidden somewhere on it with her rebel group.

So, it's either they know and they're just incompetent individuals or the writing is just flat out poor. Or the Diamonds don't know.

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>>91218550
I'm glad I have shows to fall back on that actually have consistent animation/care put into them.

Imagine if The Last Airbender did shit like this every few episodes. Standard sure has dropped.

>>91218446
>when HW finally gets its shit together and comes to earth.
HW will comes to earth when they see the cluster is taking way too long to emerge. Something they would have done regardless of the rubies. An seeing the data they have been fed by Peridot and Sapphire, it might even take a century or two before they consider there is something wrong with the Cluster.

I think all these SU threads only get millage out of the arguments between SUfags and AntiSUfags

>>91218677
I think it was universally agreed The Great Divide was the worst episode, yet whenever I watch that episode I don't find it that terrible. Shows how high the quality of the show is when even the worst one is still okay.

>>91218726
Yeah, pretty much. I'm not so much anti-SU as much as I'm desperate for good cartoons in a age of stuff like TTG and We Bear Bears.

Something like SU being a sub-par show in a age of God awful ones is a breath of fresh air somewhat. Probably why people are frothing at the mouth about Samurai Jack coming back.

>>91218748
Not him, but as someone that didn't know The Divide was hated until I started coming her like 8 years ago, I always disliked it because it was one of the very few episodes of the series that was filler. And it told a message that was just fucked up.
It was entertaining, but pointless to the point of just fucking with kids.

>>91218660
>Huh? Oh, but you are assuming.
The thing is, you are assuming even more.

I am only assuming YD got Peridot's report.
You are assuming she never got report on one of her most important project because of a chain of command fuck up there is zero suggestion of in the show.

>They weren't even expecting resistance, they just went there looking for Jasper.
Except that before that, they send a Battle ship with a poowerful Japser to oversee a project they were afraid the CG might fuck up. When Japser gave the confirmation that the Cluster was still developing they only send a bunch of rubbies to retrieve Jasper.

>Oh, and Blue Diamond going to a planet with a Pearl escort when a gem capable of destroying Diamonds is hidden somewhere on it with her rebel group.
No gems is telling shit about what a Diamond can do. Fuck, Yellow Diamond even said later she shouldn't have gone to earth. aslo, she had a battelship with her, just in case.

>So, it's either they know and they're just incompetent individuals or the writing is just flat out poor. Or the Diamonds don't know.
The diamond know. What they don't know is that the Cluster is a dude and are still expecting it to emerge any time soon. It's straight in the show and take almost zero assumption to get.

>>91218689
Yeah I was about to mention time is probably interpreted differently by ancient figures like the Diamonds, so "emerging shorly" could still be seen by them as a few 100 years. But the Rubies are probably the push which leads them back sooner than if they would wait for the Cluster to hatch.

Let's hope Star vs. doesn't do this.

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>>91218677
>Imagine if The Last Airbender did shit like this

>>91218865
Have fans that nitpick about made-up inconsistencies?

>>91218856
>But the Rubies are probably the push which leads them back sooner than if they would wait for the Cluster to hatch.
Like said before, they aren't bringing any intelligence they aren't aware of.

>>91218854
Yeah? We're both assuming. You're assuming she got the report and her entire mental state based on the assumption that she knows Rose is alive. Which is backed by theories, nothing more.

Okay? She can be paranoid about sending a Jasper with Peridot. Does that mean she thinks the CGs are still on the planet? Yeah, but thinks. Not know, thinks. And that's a maybe, that planet is covered in corrupted gems, maybe Jasper was sent with her in case they gave her trouble?

Again, more assumptions. This entire argument is based on assumptions because this show has odd narrative techniques. Plus, the second they found Rose she took complete priority over the mission. You don't find that suspicious at all? It's almost as if they weren't expecting her to be there.

>No gems is telling shit about what a Diamond can do. Fuck, Yellow Diamond even said later she shouldn't have gone to earth. aslo, she had a battelship with her, just in case.
Okay? That doesn't change the fact that Rose was supposedly capable of destroying one. That warrants a lot of caution. One battleship though? Against a gem that can regenerate fallen comrades and an unknown amount of insurgents on the planet?

Dude that's like sending Trump to the middle of an ISIS ridden area with a tank escort. You're just asking for trouble. That makes no sense tactically.

No, if they know they're idiots for sending a Diamond to a planet with such little protection when it has people that they supposedly know of that are capable of shattering Diamonds. That's what makes them incompetent. Or they just don't know.

>>91218878
>Comedy side-series.
>The same as main series.

>>91217308

>The boarders have clearly stated they don't give a fuck.

And it shows! Hot-damn, this show sucks.

>>91218878
>Scene stylistically drawn that way for the sake of a bit

That's totally the same as just random ass design changes per every few scenes. And inconsistencies in the character height.

>>91218848
Which is why I said "okay". It was pointless and it has a shitty message but it still amuses me more compared to many other shows with fillers like that.

>>91219110
>That's totally the same
It's the same as using a style to fit the tone of a show.

>>91219082
>Yeah? We're both assuming.
Actually, no, I am not assuming anything. Peridot outright said she is reporting them. You are the one making the assumption. you are assuming that YD didn't get a report on one of the most important project. And for that you are assuming some sort of bureacracy fuck up we have zero hint to back it up.

All those assumptions you are doing just so you can complain about the writing.

>Does that mean she thinks the CGs are still on the planet
She know. It's in the report. we have zero reason to assume she didn't get it.

>maybe Jasper was sent with her in case they gave her trouble?
Peridot specifically state she had informed Jasper when we see them on their arrival. Jasper said she came specifically because she had heard Crystal gems were still around.

>That doesn't change the fact that Rose was supposedly capable of destroying one. That warrants a lot of caution.
You'll notice she came almost literally on the other side of the planet of where the temple is. A temple that doesn't seem hard to locate as the first hand ship went straight for it. You'll also notice she cam with her own armed hand ship. Also, it's clear Blue Diamond was ready to take the risk to mourn Pink Diamond.

>Dude that's like sending Trump to the middle of an ISIS ridden area with a tank escort. You're just asking for trouble. That makes no sense tactically.
That comparison is incomplete, you also have to add that Trump is basically a Super Sayan and has psychic working for him for that to work. Diamond are powerful; don't forget that. She also has Sapphire to warn her of danger, as it has been clearly established Diamond still rely on them.

>That's what makes them incompetent. Or they just don't know.
They know there are Crystal Gems, They think the Cluster will kill them all, they don't know it has been bubbled. All that explain perfectly all of their behaviours.

>>91218904
There will always be inconsistencies in any show.

The fact that there are people that are arguing over them regardless of their existence or basis in fact just emphasizes the fact that the information is not presented in the show in a way that makes it clear for everyone to understand without a shred of skepticism.

Than in and of itself can be described as a flaw.

Every SU thread or other information about SU usually derides into a 'when did this happen' 'oh episode 3 of season 9999 character y used this skill for gag to establish it in episode 666'

This is a consequence of the information being spread out so thin in filler that it makes it a challenge for the average viewer who has not seen every episode ever to make a solid conclusion/not raise an eyebrow at something that to totters is pretty clear.

It isn't the only TV show/story that does this by a long shot but it does get annoying having to/ listening to fans run a fine tooth over analyzing comb on this show.

It's fine to have subtext in a show but sometimes important information crucial to understanding the motivations and actions of characters in a plot is not best presented subtly especially in this demographic.

>>91219403
>>91219466
>>91219506
Posted it three times, lel.

And I'll admit you're right on those first few points.

But with my comparison, with that power buff you're adding you also have to add that there are people on the opposite side capable of killing them. I say they're incompetent because they send a Diamond to a planet where she's at blatant risk. That at least can make Blue Diamond incompetent. Though the Sapphire point you bring up does counter that some.

>>91219428
No, it's not. Those are inconsistencies in animation due to multiple animators and a lack of control on the development.
>I let my animators take a hands free approach

While Avatar The Last Airbender did it for the sake of a bit, it was put there to help emphasis the light comedic mood for the bit. It's not the same, you're grasping at straws.

>>91219543
>Posted it three times, lel.
I like to correct fault when I see statements can be confusing.I delete the faulty ones.
>I say they're incompetent because they send a Diamond to a planet
No one send Blue Diamond, though. It's clear she acted on her own and she was there to mourn, not to be on a mission.
>she's at blatant risk.
She clearly didn't care if there was still risk and wanted to be there to mourn Pink Diamond and considered her ship was enough of a protection.

Fuck. We don't evenknow if there wasn't an armada of gem in it ready to battle. Now this is assumption, but you don't need to stretch that far for it.

>>91212284
>It's a "LET'S RESOLVE EVERYTHING ON A 10min SHORT"

Fixed.

>>91219624
>and a lack of control on the development.
Not a lack of control, a lack of giving a fuck.

It's a choice. Maybe a bad choice , but still clearly a choice, not a consequence of bad management.

>>91214417
South Park season 19.

>>91219682
I say that more as a general thing. She sent herself, and from what we know all she had was that ship and a Pearl escort. That was just an ignorant move on her part.

I hope we get major consequences for the characters due to this conveyor line of fuck ups. Also hoping it isn't resolved in one episode like the Cluster was (for now).

Yeah, I wish I could see an armada of Home world ships just to see what their military arm looks like. Probably gonna have to wait a few seasons for that though if at all.

>>91219705
Yes, a deliberate lack of control on the quality output of their animation department. That's what I meant, a hands free approach.

>>91219825
>like the Cluster was (for now).
Uuh? It took several episodes to address the Cluster.

>>91219908
Took one episode to dispose of the cluster.

Go into the crust, bubble the cluster, done for now. It was solved in one episode but built up over a few episodes. Which was relatively anti-climatic but that's just subjective.

>>91214417
Gravity Falls?

>>91219971
>Took one episode to dispose of the cluster.
To formulate the plan and the make the drill are ALL part of disposing the Cluster and that took virtually half the season.

>>91220115
Yes, a build up that resulted in it's purpose being pointless. All it took was bubbling the cluster, this big bad overlooming threat capable of destroying worlds. I just think that's anti-climatic.

Their plan pretty much failed if it weren't for Steven's quick thinking/compassion.

>>91220159
>Yes, a build up that resulted in it's purpose being pointless. All it took was bubbling the cluster
They had to dig to get there, you know, so not pointless.

and bubbling the cluster wasn't easy peasy either.

>>91220198
The drill's main purpose was to destroy the cluster, getting to it was just a means to an end. Was a multi-purpose where it's main purpose failed.

Their plan wasn't to get to the cluster, their plan was to dispose of it using the drill. And in that respect it failed. It took Steven less than 5 minutes to bubble the cluster, man. And from what we've seen it's pretty much harmless now until it gets popped. That was a lot of build up for a simple conclusion. For me that's anti-climatic, if you don't find it anti-climatic, that's your thing.

>>91220266
>The drill's main purpose was to destroy the cluster
Hmm, I'll have to disagree. The drill's main purpose was, throughout the arc, plastered as a way to reach the cluster. It's only in the final episode that it is outright stated that it was also intended to use the drill itself to destroy it.

>>91219730
Why does fractured but whole keep getting delayed? i want to see more canon creek

>>91220481
>It's only in the final episode that it is outright stated that it was also intended to use the drill itself to destroy it.

You disagree yet it's clear that was their purpose. I'm not dishing on them for not knowing how to deal with something like that, was just their best guess. Just saying that the episodes of planning don't make for good hype because it's main purpose was deflated at the end and it was suddenly just bubbled and the arc is done.

Just agree to disagree I guess.

>>91217384
Make her say Wubalubbadubdub and were gold.

>>91218878
this is an entirely separate parody show

and even then it's STILL more on-model than SU is in a single episode

>>91215966
I kinda wish they do atleast one or two more episodes about the thing.
> cluster still wants to form but knows if it would do that idle destroy the world.
> Decides to take small slices of itself appart that managed to join properly to send to the surface.
> Parts of it not sure what to form as, go with looking like a chinese rip off of steven because 'hey hes a great dude'.
> Wander the world, like it, have this weird sort of hive mind with the main cluster.
> Meet steven, have some shinanigans happen
> It gets weird/unstable maybe get in trouble.
> episode ends on a down note since the shards even when co-operating still defuse in a mutant mess, gets disheartened.
> Some hippy dippy bullshit from steven going 'shouldent rush these things even if this was a good start :)'
> It receeds again, mutherfuckin' end.

>>91220266
The original plan failed, so what, you'd rather they all just went "WELP" sat on their thumbs and all waited to fucking die? Or was Steven supposed to suddenly gain some amazing new power out of nowhere to destroy it? He didn't even bubble the damned thing, he only barely convinced its fucked-up gestalt mind to bubble itself.

speaking honestly though, I'd like if the show could at least address it again soon. It's far from concluded, in fact it's pretty much the mother of all Chekhov's Guns right now it's even resting right on the mantle

>>91220885
No, you're missing the point of what I'm trying to say entirely. I'm saying the pay off for this arc was anti-climatic because of how much ominous build up was behind the cluster. I don't know, I'm not a writer for a TV show you can't expect me to come up with some interesting ass outcome in 10 seconds. Like I said, I find it anti-climatic but that doesn't mean you have to. Not everyone has to have the same opinion on it.

Yeah, I'm assuming something's gonna happen that's gonna cause that bubble to burst. Wonder how that'll go.

>>91212284
I don't get it. Is this a Jojo refrence?

>>91220094
Any long running series really.

>>91212284
a resolution usually happens in one episode yes

>>91214417
>And waste one of those episodes on pointless bullshit