Is there a specific reason why western animation has more variety

Anime has less of a budget and has to appeal to a narrower audience.

>>91141103
Well it's easy when by "western animation" you actually mean "animation from pretty much anywhere except Japan".

>>91141103
Anyone have a list of of all the styles OP's pic is drawn in? I can recognize most of them but not all of them.

>>91141103
So are these all Jeff Winger?

>>91141173
Even just counting a single country like America or even Canada you can see it.

>>91141103
It's a bias

You're more familiar with "western" art so you can notice these easier.

There are alot of different anime styles depending on artists. You could probably get a list just as big with various anime source materials

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only variation of japanese style there is toriyama's

>>91141304
>it's a bias
Bullshit. This is true for French animation and german animation as well despite me not seeing it as often. Japan isn't as diverse and it takes some hardcore weebing to deny it.

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Eastern and Western animation both have plenty of variety, and to claim otherwise for either case shows ignorance in regards to their histories and range. While it is easy to distinguish overall trends, there have been thousands of examples of both Eastern and Western animation produced over the last century, with a great number of standouts.

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>>91141103
because you haven't watched enough eastern animation

>>91141384
No one is saying all anime is the same, but it is clearly less diverse. Even the examples you posted you can pick out some definitive anime tropes in animation and again that image uses EXCEPTIONS to the rule.

>>91141390
Hi anon, I see you. Now you can turn that trip off.

>>91141348
This isn't your normal average everyday baiting.

This is advanced baiting.

>>91141418
>Exceptions to the rule
Maybe since there's more anime coming out in a season than there are 5 years in America.

Even if you pick and choose the unique things from each season you'd have more then whatever shitty flash animated polygon Canada puts out that year.

>>91141384
why are the standouts so rare? why can't japan make another panty&stocking or kaiba?

Western animation used to be like this back during the golden age where every character would wear gloves and be an anthro animal. It has moved past this though. Japan on the other hand is very traditional and it's media reflects that. Both it's anime, novels, games, ect don't really evolve and while weeaboos will scream and cry how it isn't the case it is.

>>91141529
Even with more animation products they are still manage to have less range and on average are still less diverse.
For example I just took two cartoons from the front page that were having threads side by side.
Ed, ed n eddy and Samurai Jack. These cartoons shows are more visually distinct from each other than anything that came out this season in japan.

>>91141535
The standouts come out about as much as your typical number of Western shows do in their entirely.
>why can't japan make another panty&stocking or kaiba?
They do, almost every season there's a notable stylistic exception. Just because you haven't heard of it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

https://www.livechart.me/spring-2017/tv
Scroll through here and you can certainly see some overall trends, but it's not hard to find the exceptions either. Bear in mind this is the current anime season.

>>91141103
This guy really hates drawing hands.

>>91141418
>but it is clearly less diverse
Still wrong

>>91141609
>Almost every season
You see this? So you might get ONE per season but in western animation most cartoons look visually different.

>>91141418
>Even the examples you posted you can pick out some definitive anime tropes in animation
But you can do the same with western animation
The only reason OPs western animation art style thing looks more easily discernible is because the artist picked out classics and popular versions of things
The difference between Nobita from Doraemon and Any of the matsus from Osomatsu san is just as slight as Groenbergs style and Bob's burgers style
There are multiple styles that look like they could come from the same cartoon

>>91141621
Nice argument.
Most of those anime use
>The eye showing through hair trope
and
>Anime nose
These are the exceptions and cherry picks and they still aren't that diverse.

>>91141638
That's one that is a huge deviation from the standard, but most anime has a distinctive style.

>>91141638
And the OP image showcases stylistic changes that took place over as wide a frame as six decades, what's your point.

>>91141201
I'll try (incomplete, but feel free to add to it)
---Top Row ---
Simpsons
Family Guy/ American Dad (Seth McFarlane)
KoTH (?)
Bob's Burgers
Jetsons / Hannah Barbera
??
??
??
??
Archer (?)
Transformers
Astro Boy
??

--Middle --
Not even going to attempt this one except for South Park, Peanuts and Garfield

--Bottom
Smurfs
I don't know the name but I know it's on Boomerang
Alan Gregory (?)
??
??
Rugrats
Doug
??
??
Phineas and Ferb (?)
Looney Tunes
DBZ

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>>91141594
>>91141535
Yeah I mean if you just think Japanese animation is only what you find on /a/

>>91141664
Most anime have a generic shit style.

>>91141277
Why not count all the art styles in Japan then?

You'd be surprised how many there are.

>>91141103
It has no relation to artistic freedom.

>>91141160
Anime has smaller budgets but it also has infinitely higher production quality. The broad similarities in anime/manga/game/light novel character design have nothing whatsoever to do with budget, and the designs used in anime are much more complicated than those used in American animation anyway.

Anime character designs vary more than what is commonly believed, but there are almost always commonalities and features that identify them as anime. There's a lot of consistency. American designs may be less consistent but they also have things in common.

Anime is kind of a self-contained reality that follows its own more or less consistent rules of stylized realism.

>>91141541
>Both it's anime, novels, games, ect don't really evolve and while weeaboos will scream and cry how it isn't the case it is.
But it isn't the case, and stating that fact does not make someone a weeaboo.

>>91141643
Bobs burgers and the simpsons look very noticably different. You pick any 2 random anime and you can instantly tell they are anime as opposed to western cartoons.

>>91141691
>Heavily Implying the west is any better

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>Another /co/ thinks they know what goes on in Japan thread
wew

>>91141103
I hate it when people do style memes, but instead of actually drawing how the character would look if they were in the show/comic as a background character, they just draw them with the body shape of the more popular characters.

Like how he just gave himself that hair for the Dragonball Z style.

>>91141718
It is. Sorry you hate your own culture but western animation style is more diverse.

>>91141662
You're talking about a couple of small details that are popular in style, but they don't have complete dominance, and they aren't a major factor in the style. I think you just want to hate on it.

>>91141691
I know you just want to hate on it.

>>91141713
Are you saying I can't pick any two random western cartoons and know they are western cartoons?

>>91141103
Because 99% of Eastern animation is basically run by the very people who lined all their walls with pictures of anime girls from the 90's

Does anyone have that picture where the anime executive is talking about how they'd love to make more diverse and unique projects but are ultimately tied down by a very single minded fanbase, and then it shows an animator with anime shit all over his desk saying "I like to draw cute girls!"

>>91141752
>They are small details
>How the face looks is a small detail

>>91141638
You should specify if you're talking about character design or the overall look of a show, because they aren't the same thing.

>>91141691
Generic is not a valid term and something doesn't look like shit just because it makes you feel insecure about American animation. Try again.

>>91141713
>You pick any 2 random anime and you can instantly tell they are anime as opposed to western cartoons.
The opposite is also true.

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Everything in Japan looks the same!
REEE

>>91141782
You're talking about the way some anime do a nose and the way hair interacts with facial expressions. Yeah, that's pretty small.

And, again, not ubiquitous for all that you want it to be.

>>91141766
You can only do that because they DON'T look like anime. You wouldn't know a cartoon is from America or Canada just from looking at it.
>>91141789
Why would a generic style make me insecure?

Oh wait, I get it, /co/ is just jealous that they don't get 30 new shows a season.

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THE SAAAAME

>>91141811
You stupid weeb, the face is the most important part. Noses, lack of lips, eyes, nose, ect all have a current style that sets itself apart. This denial is amazing.

>>91141713
>Bobs burgers and the simpsons look very noticably different
>bulging eyes
>lack of chin
>long neck
>less than 5 fingers
>top lip shoots out more
pretty similar to me

>You pick any 2 random anime and you can instantly tell they are anime
The same goes for western cartoons
But my point was anime have distinct enough styles to where you can understand that two random characters could be from different shows in the same way for western cartoons

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>>91141834
REEEE
DON'T EVEN IMPLY THAT

>>91141834
It doesn't matter if you get 10 or a billion if either way the amount of decent ones don't change.

>>91141861
>The same way goes for western cartoons
No it doesn't. You can't tell which country a cartoon comes from unless it comes from japan because they are the only ones who can't into different.

>>91141778
>Because 99% of Eastern animation is basically run by the very people who lined all their walls with pictures of anime girls from the 90's
Yes, it's just terrible that the industry is run by people who love animation.

>Does anyone have that picture where the anime executive is talking about how they'd love to make more diverse and unique projects but are ultimately tied down by a very single minded fanbase
That studio owner runs a studio that does not make its own productions and only provides assistance to other studios, so he doesn't get to make whatever he wants in any case. Other studios were also making those "mature" and "artistic" projects that Westerners cream themselves over, so even if you take his comments as being on behalf of the entire industry he is still wrong.

Westerners say they want diverse and unique projects, which come out every season, but then they never watch them.

>>91141852
I won't deny that the industry has similarities, but that's not unique to Japan. How often does /co/ complain about the CalArts style?

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>>91141891
>It doesn't matter if you get 10 or a billion if either way the amount of decent ones don't change.

This is exactly what I expected you to say.

>>91141861
And yet they look different enough where anyone can instantly tell them apart unlike most anime.

>>91141891
>You can't tell which country a cartoon comes from
Maybe you can't, but it's pretty easy to tell where a cartoon comes from
Particularly Canadian cartoons

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THIS MOVIE THAT CAME OUT LAST YEAR LOOKS EXACTLY THE SAME AS LUCKY STAR THAT CAME OUT 7 YEARS PREVIOUS

>>91141926
Ah yes, the make up bullshit argument. Very effective.

>>91141924
So why would you make a post if you expected to get BTFO? Is it your fetish?

You're gonna see what you want to see and we're not going to convince you otherwise.

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>>91141103
Western animation tends to lean towards perspectives you'd see in live action sitcoms because there's an inherent idea that animation is derived from comedy. Because of this, flat, 2D characters that are simple but recognizable are desirable. There's nothing wrong with this, and it can vary by format of the show (Samurai Jack, for example, plays with perspective a lot despite the "flatness" of its art-style), but it's mainly done this way because it's cheaper, easier to recognize (and thus market), and suits the idea that cartoons mare mainly for comedy sketches.

The direction of most anime leans towards imitating the movie cinematography because the idea that animation is inherently comedic is not ingrained in that industry. This leads to designs that have less variety, but are more flexible for playing with perspective. Like with western animation, there are exceptions based on genre or authorial intent (Tatami Galaxy, Panty and Stocking, and a variety of comedy with the western-esque "simple but recognizeable" approach). For the most part though, anime tends to go for that more-detailed, less-fluid approach that's so heavily associated with it, even if it's not suitable for the show (like the majority of anime comedies or slice of life shows).

>>91141936
That doesn't look even slightly like Lucky Star.

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>>91141959
>completely unsupported claim
>btfo

lol

>>91141944
>it's bullshit because it proves me wrong!
>>91141934
Really, so you would instantly know EENE comes from Canada or that Wakfu comes from France?

>>91141978
Nah, it's bullshit because it's bullshit. You are completely unable to prove it.

>>91141821
>Why would a generic style make me insecure?
Generic is not a valid term. Please try again.

>>91141891
>It doesn't matter if you get 10 or a billion if either way the amount of decent ones don't change.
Of course it changes.

>they are the only ones who can't into different.
It has nothing to do with ability, and even though it is the case that anime character designs are nearly always recognizably anime, anime is still overall much more diverse than American animation.

>>91141926
People who are familiar with anime can tell things apart much better than people who aren't.

>>91141971
Don't tell me you actually like the shit /a/ posts. I bet you think this current season of anime is amazing!
I am sorry you like to eat trash. Keep posting those shit and generic art styles though.

>>91141978
Wakfu is obviously French, no one else blends eastern and western style like that.

>>91141978
I could probably tell Wakfu is European given the female character designs.
European or Japanese

>>91141926
>And yet they look different enough where anyone can instantly tell them apart unlike most anime.
That's just untrue
Using the same qualifiers that you'd use to tell two western cartoons apart, you'd do the same with anime
facial make up, attention to clothing detail, line strength, colors, anatomy, etc etc etc

>>91141990
Nice no argument there weeb.

>>91142009
>no one else blends eastern and western like that
What about Megas XLR or Avatar?

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>>91142001
I like LWA and Sangatsu no Lion right now. Next season I'll be getting a horror to look forward to. Sorry your pickings are always so slim and identical in genre.

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>>91141970
ARE YOU QUESTIONING ME?

I GO TO /CO/ AND THEREFORE I AM INFALLIBLE WHEN IT COMES TO ANIMATION

JUST LOOK AT THIS SCREEN OF MADOKA, LOOKS LIKE EVERY OTHER ANIME

>>91142035
Avatar doesn't do sexy the way the French do, and Megas XLR really isn't very eastern, it's just mecha

>>91142001
Generic is not a valid term and something doesn't look like shit just because it makes you feel insecure about American animation. Try again.

>>91141995
>it's not a valid term
Because it hurts your weeb fee fees. Sorry.
>>91142041
>Can only name 2 examples
Thanks for proving my point.
>>91142042
Nice Cherrypicking weeb.

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>>91141103
>it's an east vs west thread
I like both, why do I only see these threads constantly on /co/ and never on /a/.

>>91142035
>make assertion
>don't prove it
>"nuh uh you have to disprove my baseless opinion!"

>>91142066
>Because it hurts your weeb fee fees. Sorry.
Because it isn't a valid term.

I'm not a weeaboo. You either don't know what that means or you're lying.

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>>91141725

>>91142063
Why would shit animation make someone insecure anon?
>>91142075
Most anime are so generic you can tell a characters personality by their hair color.
There is a

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>>91142066
And how many good cartoons will you get for the entire year?

>>91142071
/a/ has mods

>>91141807
>>91141848
>>91141879
>>91141936
>>91142042
Embarrassing.

>>91142093
>Why would shit animation make someone insecure anon?
You are claiming it's shit because you are insecure. In reality, anime has far superior animation.

>Most anime are so generic you can tell a characters personality by their hair color.
Generic is not a valid term.

>JRPGs aren't all the same!
Kek, I love weebs and their denial.

>>91141978
>Really, so you would instantly know EENE comes from Canada or that Wakfu comes from France?
But that's only because I'm so experienced
I know that those two shows are distinct because I can tell them apart based on their art style, but that doesn't take that much experience
I can also tell that two anime characters aren't from the same show with that same low level of experience

>>91142093
>Most anime are so generic you can tell a characters personality by their hair color.

That's just not true. Nice job buying into memes, though.

>>91141879
That movie got me sad.

>>91142116
SJ is the best thing to come out from any country in a long time.
>>91142137
>Far superior animation
>Lower budget
>uses a generic art style in order to make it easier to animate

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>>91142179
>can only name one for an entire year
kek

>>91142151
>That's not true
kek. Pink hair is the cute moe one, dark hair is generally the edgy one.
So deep!

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>>91142131
EXACTLY NOTHING AS EMBARRASSING AS ALL THESE SAMEY LOOKING THINGS, MOST COMING FROM JUST LAST YEAR

>>91142066
NO, NO NEED TO CHERRYPICK, THAT'S HOW BAD IT IS!

>>91142204
Thanks for posting more generic anime faces to help prove my point anon.

>>91142208
Yeah, pink hair literally does not correlate to any particular personality type. You're wrong.

Black hair you're not completely wrong, but it's the same in the west with the goth/emo archetype, so it doesn't seem like much of an argument.

>>91142233
Even these sad cherrypicks are clearly japanese.

>>91142140
Who said anything about JRPGs? Only you did.

>>91142179
>Far superior animation
Yes.

>Lower budget
Yes, which just goes to show that budget doesn't matter as much as you think it does.

>uses a generic art style in order to make it easier to animate
Generic is not a valid term, and anime uses far more complex designs than American animation that are far more difficult to animate. You are also, like so many other people, acting as if character designs are merely disembodied faces and there's nothing else to them.

>>91142208
>Pink hair is the cute moe one
Moe is not a character type or trait, and pink hair is not associated with anything in particular.

>dark hair is generally the edgy one
A variety of character can have dark hair, such as girls who come from a traditional Japanese family.

>>91142234
Generic is not a valid term.

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>>91142234
>diverting attention from how hard you got btfo

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>>91142208
So cute, so moe, pink hair chan couldn't possibly betray your expectations

>/a/ browses /co/ looking for excuses to get triggered

Well, stylisation is used to underline certain traits of a character. Anime mostly depicts everyone as beautiful and relateable, using bigger eyes and a small mouths and nose. Show you beautiful people is what Anime do. Take a look at villains and funny characters from One Piece. There's more variety there than among main characters. Anime can vary but don't want to most of the time.

>>91142299
>/co/ picks a fight and gets its ass handed to it

>>91141348
>pan and bra will grow up as best friends

Yuri when

>>91141103
>it's good because it's unique

>>91141711
Nice try but anime sucks. Nothing Japan has done will ever come close to Family Guy levels of quality. Maybe after 1000 years they'll get good enough to compete.

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>>91142262
>>91141713
I never got this, even when Japanese people do western fanart or guest storyboard on something it's obvious to tell they're Japanese, because they actually know how to draw and animate.

>>91142285
That actually proves the point since they gave her pink hair specifically so they can go LOOK SHE DOESN'T ACT LIKE YOU WOULD THINK A CHARACTER WITH PINK HAIR WOULD ACT
>>91142311
I forgot posting anime reaction images win an argument. It's a good thing japanese animation is so generic or else it would be hard for there to be so many clearly anime reaction images.

>>91142299
I'm more /co/ than /a/ and this is bullshit
Why shit on anime for looking the same when basically the only reason anyone ever says "X looks the same" is because they don't know anything about it
/co/ will say this shit about anime without realizing normies will say this shit about all animation ever
eg "Did LAIKA make Nightmare before Christmas"
"Ice Age is my favorite Dreamworks movie"
etc etc

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>>91142337
>now completely trying to ignore the argument over how many good shows are produced a year

every time

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>>91142301
Not waifu example for variety

>>91142363
Except America wins since SJ is the best thing on TV.

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>>91141535
>Kaiba
Hey, at least Yuasa's getting another show.

>>91142329
>Nice try but anime sucks.
It doesn't. It's easily superior to American animation.

>>91142337
>That actually proves the point since they gave her pink hair specifically so they can go LOOK SHE DOESN'T ACT LIKE YOU WOULD THINK A CHARACTER WITH PINK HAIR WOULD ACT
Again, pink hair has nothing in particular associated with it.

>generic
Not a valid term.

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>>91142392
>one cartoon
>one
>1

>>91142397
>These words I don't like don't actually count as words for some reason
It's a fact that anime has style choices that instantly identify their country of origin while western animation does not.

>it's an /a/ vs /co/ episode
A boring episode that never actually gets anywhere, is a huge letdown in general and has been seen way too many times already. Can we just skip it?

>>91142422
>It's a fact that anime has style choices that instantly identify their country of origin while western animation does not.
It's not, it's your opinion. And it's not even an opinion you can back up.

>>91142416
>One cartoon beats everything japan can make or the rest of the world for that matter

>>91142392
I'm enjoying LWA and Kemono friends more honestly, but SJ is best western show by far

>>91142422
>These words I don't like don't actually count as words for some reason
Nobody uses generic according its correct definition. Anything and everything is called generic. Therefore it cannot be considered a valid term.

>It's a fact that anime has style choices that instantly identify their country of origin while western animation does not.
Western animation does that too, but what is your point?

>>91142429
Everybody assumes that their opinion has never been heard before, which is technically true because nobody ever listens to anyone

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>>91142444
>still can't provide a single other good cartoon coming out this year

Genuinely sorry for you

>>91142431
Ok anon, explain to me how you would know EENE came from canada.

>>91142476
Trying to claim that Canada and America aren't the same animation industry is itself dishonest.

>>91142469
Not him but netflix alone has
>Wakfu
>Voltron
>OKKO

>>91142071
Because /co/ is filled with insecure kids.

>>91142488
Really? They are different countries and you can't explain how EENE's art style is exactly Northern American.
Also no, Canada and America have a different industry. Canada's animation is generally cheaper and requires candan people on it.

>>91142534
>Canada and America have a different industry

They don't. They share producers, actors, and animators.

>>91142553
To some extent so does every industry. Now explain how it looks strickly American or Canadian and not european.

>>91142577
CalArts style or cheap flash shit style

Instantly recognizable

How and when did so many people reach the conclusion that the more unique something is, the better it must be?

>>91142604
It's not wrong to want diversity of styles, which is why every animation industry actively pursues it.

>>91142285
Actually, what's the deal with so many yanderes having pink hair?

>>91142601
The Calarts style only effects Cartoon network. Nick and Disney have many cartoons that don't look like that.
So sorry, you lose.

>>91142493
>Voltron
That's just AtLA artsyle.

>>91142618
Yes, but uniqueness alone does not mean quality.

>>91142630
Yeah, Star Vs is totally free of the CalArts style

lol

>>91142397
Oh hey it's this autist. Do you always go looking for these threads or are you the one to make one? News flash: Japan isn't even at Nutshack levels of animation.

>>91142644
It's still a good cartoon despite that.
>>91142652
The vast Majority of Disney shows don't have it. Just look at their other popular shows.
Milo, Gravity Falls, Wonder over yonder, starwars, all those marvel cartoons, ect.

>>91142618
Actually the industry prefers simple artstyles that are easier to animate, it has nothing to do with uniqueness. It's why TTGO's and Su style became even more simple than the prototypes.

>>91142684
>Milo, Gravity Falls, Wonder over yonder
>not CalArts style

This is a joke, right?

>>91141103
With a more standardized and simplified style, it's much easier to train large numbers of people (who aren't really artists) to animate your cartoons.

Thus most anime is just an industrial commodity. It's the McDonalds of animation. A bunch of low paid workers churning out the same shit over and over.

It's all good man. Jingoistic console wars don't help anybody.

>>91142693
How is milo the cal arts style? Are you just going to say every simple art style is cal arts?

>>91142652
When I look at Star Vs. I think "Scott Pilgrim with longer bodies" instead of CalArts.

>>91142693
Much of /co/ doesn't actually understand what "CalArts" is.

Especially weebs invading from /a/.

>>91142707
>>91142708
Noodle arms with jelly bean heads

>>91142092
FUCK YOU DOFIN
FUCK YOU WHALE

>>91142694
This is how they can get away with paying Japanese animators an average of 4 DOLLARS AN HOUR
>>91142729
Noodle arms have been around for years. That alone doesn't define cal arts.

These threads always rely on a lot of reductionist bullshit to make their point. To the point that you have idiots going "They all have two eyes! It's exactly the same!"
Sad.

>>91142742
Fair enough, it's just a distinctly North American style

>>91142712
This, friendly reminder that they original example of "CalArts" style was applied to the Emperor's New Groove and used to explain the similar art styles between animated movies in the late 90's to early 00's.

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>>91142671
If you don't like anonymity, go to reddit instead. They have user account and post histories there.

>News flash: Japan isn't even at Nutshack levels of animation.
Anime is the best animation in the world.

>>91142694
Animators are artists, and once again character designs are not disembodied faces. Even if there's general principles to the way anime characters' faces look, they are not just faces. Animators have to animate designs like pic related.

>Thus most anime is just an industrial commodity.
It is not.

>A bunch of low paid workers churning out the same shit over and over.
Myth.

>>91142534
You might start with the faces
A lot of canadian cartoons do this thing where one eye is larger and on a different level than the other
The mouth is super expressive and opens wide when in the 3/4ths shot constantly
Canadian shows tend to have a host of characters that vary more in body type than most American shows

See EEnE, Yakkity Yak, Almost Naked Animals, Scaredy Squirrel

Other canadian cartoons do other things,

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>>91141103
Anime has just as many styles as western cartoons, you just see more shows with the same style for the simple fact that there is far more anime out there than cartoons. Not to mention I feel like western animation heavily takes into account "what style is EASIER to animate" when anime focuses on "what looks good" so they have a much more refined look and don't need to experiment as much unless it's trying to match the source material's style.

>>91142765
Her left pupil is too low aughhh.

>>91142671
>News flash: Japan isn't even at Nutshack levels of animation.
I can't tell if you're memeing, is Nutshack supposed to be good in your example?

>>91142629
See >>91142337

>>91142792
Except there being more should do the opposite. There are distinct anime styles but because there are more anime the creators purposefully make them undistinctive for cutting cost. Not only that but it's a fact that the japanese culture is more traditional and doesn't like change as much. This has been true for other aspects of japanese art.

>>91142806
He's memeing
Nutshack because a bigger deal than it should have for like 2-4 months on youtube and various parts of the internet

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>>91142765
In-betweeners are not artists. Their wageserfs.

And anime is designed so that the inbetweeners can mass produce it. And the only artists they hire to design the characters are specifically told to design their characters into something the inbetweeners can shit out quickly on a low budget.

>it is not

No, it very much is.

>Myth

Nope, truth.

>>91141160
>Anime has less of a budget and has to appeal to a narrower audience.
fpbp

I don't know about budget but I think you hit the nail on the head with second part. Anime for a few years now seems to be aimed at 'whales' much like mobile games do. You can get a whole season of a cartoon that is successful enough to get it on BluRay for less than 20 dollars. Getting a a BR for an anime? 60 dollars and that's for 3-4 episodes buying the whole set for a season is more than 200 dollars just to have it. Not to mention the merchandise. It is also important for western cartoons but they got nothing on the anime industry in this
So character designers will usually go with what already works and have more marketable characters in a style they know will sell.

Saying that is obvious that anime styles have also changed, and not every anime looks like each other, but since it's such a narrow market they might as well not try to de franchise people from the get go from because it looks different.

>>91142806
Nutshack has poor quality animation which is supposed to show how bad Japan is in comparison. Plus triggering the autist causes him to reveal his true colors:

>>91142765
>Anime is the best animation in the world.

Easy.

>>91142629
Autism. No, that is literally the reason. Autistic and anti social people have a hard time with social cues and so if you simplify personality types to something like color it is easy for even the autistic brain to figure out what's going on. it's also why anime has hugely exaggerated expressions. Japan is filled with a lot of anti social people. It's hard for /a/ to admit it but the trash they watch is completely boring to someone who has normally functioning social ability.

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>This thread again
Can we just skip the arguing and get to the posting of webms

Who cares what's better, I just want to watch fun stuff.

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>>91142834
>For cutting cost
If they wanted to cut cost they'd make the shows look like your average western cartoon.
As I said the art style has been refined far more than the west because they focus on visuals over what's easier to animate.

You're just simply ignorant is all.
Or incredibly asshurt that Japan has the biggest animation industry of any country and us weebs can enjoy literally hundreds of new shows a year while /co/ has maybe 2-3 new shows worth talking about a year (if that)

>>91142841
According to a lot of anime weebs those aren't even anime because they don't have the "anime" style.
>>91142913
>I am ignorant and stupid
American cartoons cost many times more than anime.

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>>91142928
>American cartoons cost many times more than anime.
What's your point?

>>91142913
China has the biggest animation industry if we count production, America if we count profit.
Also japanese animation generally is far cheaper than american animation. In the end you are the ignorant one.

>>91142928
>According to a lot of anime weebs those aren't even anime because they don't have the "anime" style.
It's a good thing we're talking about Japanese animation in general.

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>its an "anime all looks the same " episode

>>91142928
>According to a lot of anime weebs those aren't even anime because they don't have the "anime" style.

Your argument here is literally, "You can't count these as examples for why anime has a variety of styles, because it doesn't belong to the one style I'm thinking of."

Fuck off.

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>>91142913
>muh magic girl dragon harem show

And this is good animation in your opinion?

>>91142928
>According to a lot of anime weebs those aren't even anime because they don't have the "anime" style.
Good thing their opinion doesn't fucking matter and literally nobody here's argued that point at all, nice strawman though.

>>91142951
>China has the biggest animation industry if we count production
?

>>91142947
If they wanted to cut cost the last thing they would do is copy America.
>>91142963
You didn't help the argument by posting a picture of what is considered the generic anime art style of the 90s/early 2000nds.

>>91142334
The opposite is true, too. A Western "manga", even when proficiently done, still has something about it that makes it immediately, noticeably Western.

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>>91142951
>Also japanese animation generally is far cheaper than american animation.

Again, what is your point?
>>91142990
>>>91142947 (You)
If they wanted to cut cost the last thing they would do is copy America.

>>91142975
Don't tell me you're confusing animation with plot, story, or setting anon

>>91142975
>It's not good animation since it's something I don't like
wtf, I love 3/4ths view cartoons now

>>91142993
This. Because westerners value creativity and individual styles over standardization and mass production.

>>91143009
They want the same story and they want the same art style.

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>>91142990
>If they wanted to cut cost the last thing they would do is copy America.

Oh okay you're a fucking idiot.
American cartoons cost more because animators cost more, not because they actually put more work into the cartoon.
Japanese animators make literally half of what minimum wage is in America, that's why it's cheaper.

So I repeat, you're fucking ignorant.

>>91143025
Now you're confusing animation for art style
You don't even belong here, go away

>>91142975
better than some jerky flash looking three squiggly lines talking heads that look like mascots from a toothpaste making jokes about anal sex and chain smoking

>>91142993
Yeah, incompetence when it comes to cartoons.

>>91143009
>our plots, stories and settings are boring, repetitive, and have no soul
>but we sure put a lot of heart into our animation
>even though we clearly don't

>>91141103
I don't think I can agree with your assumption that japense arstyle is less varied. Especially with manga.

>>91143029
>Those colors.
>That animation style.
>Those big eyes.
>Animated in Japan.
Get this fucking anime off of /co/.

>>91143027
Kek, this butthurt and ignorance. That isn't the only reason you dumb shit. Most of the cost from animation comes from the animating part itself which is done overseas you tard. Japan generally goes for cheaper when it comes to korean animators by having less frames or by using a similar art style.

>>91143022
No, that's not really what it is, because it's true even of the most cookie cutter knock-off "manga". My best guess would be a different application of line-weight and color theory (affecting how tones are placed) making it look off in a subtle way.

>>91142834
>the creators purposefully make them undistinctive for cutting cost
They do no such thing, and using indistinct designs does nothing to cut costs.

>japanese culture is more traditional and doesn't like change as much
Then why has anime changed so much over the decades?

>>91142853
>In-betweeners are not artists. Their wageserfs.
In-betweeners become key animators. In-betweening is practise for key animation. Some animators are also hired directly as key animators, and bypass the in-betweening stage altogether.

>And anime is designed so that the inbetweeners can mass produce it.
Anime cannot be mass produced, and it is not designed with any consideration for in-betweeners. The in-betweeners in-between whatever the key animators give them.

>And the only artists they hire to design the characters are specifically told to design their characters into something the inbetweeners can shit out quickly on a low budget.
Once again, anime character designs are very complex, far more complex than American designs. They are in no way designed to be quick and easy to draw. Have you ever even seen any anime?

>No, it very much is.
It is not.

>Nope, truth.
How are Youjo Senki, Akiba's Trip, Rakugo and Little Witch Academia the same thing then?

>>91142867
>Anime for a few years now seems to be aimed at 'whales' much like mobile games do.
Anime is aimed at all kinds of people.

>So character designers will usually go with what already works and have more marketable characters in a style they know will sell.
Most anime is adapted, the designs are pre-existing ones that the production team adapts into anime form. There's also no singular style used for original productions.

>>91142891
Autist is not a valid term, and I didn't "reveal my true colors." I simply stated a fact.

>>91142897
Autism is a meme. It has nothing to do with anime.

>>91142975
See >>91141896

>>91143044
Not really, no.

>>91141103
Moe, as it is, has homogenized greatly from the early-mid 2000s era. This is a result of the anime crash of that decade. Companies tried to shill experimental shows, but the industry itself wasn't making money back from these investments causing the whole thing to collapse into itself and die.
Studios, wanting to avoid a repeat of this fiasco, now create shows with a set of aesthetics that undeniably attract viewers and sell merch.

In comparison, Western animation networks are more concerned with demographics. They want their shows to reach a particular age group, whether their ages are 3-7 or 11-14. Networks are willing to greenlight shows so long as they think it will appeal to that demographic, regardless of its overall aesthetic.

That isn't to say that Western media is free of stylistic homogenization. It's just to say that its more of a result of artists from similar schools being employed instead of a desperate attempt to stay afloat financially.

>>91143065
Manga is clearly different. Manga has a lot of variety but not anime because it has to focus on a specific market.
>>91143090
>Why has anime changed so much
Because it's now focusing on the obsessive crowd. But even then it hasn't changed that much, many animation techniques that are identifiers for anime are still in common use.

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>>91143071
Yet I know for a fact not a single cartoon made in the last ten years comes close to something like Flip Flappers or One Punch Man.


https://youtu.be/Yg5pA847n2E?t=62

Meanwhile the average western cartoon is done in flash.
There's a reason 90% of animation webms for cartoons are decades old

>>91143018
Anon, when one anime character teleports behind another it's not because the producers wanted good animation. Rather, that's a cheap trick that saves money.

You ever wonder why DBZ has hundreds of hours of characters either teleporting around, or standing around acting surprised, while the voice actors go "Uh...uhuh... uh..."

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>>91142901
I need more transformation weebms

>>91141728
SO MUCH THIS!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e07HkOZb5ZY

>>91143064
>Japanese plots, stories and settings are boring, repetitive, and have no soul
>Meanwhile, the most watched cartoons in America revolve around a wacky male main character whose wacky family and friends do things that are wacky
Simpsons, Family Guy, Bob's Burgers, American Dad
If only they put out more than 2 cartoons per year in the US

I won't even bother you on the animation front because I know you know that's shit

>>91143179
>being this butthurt

Why do the maps put so much more effort into their intros than the west?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qTaW7LRW9o

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>Pretending there's any debate for Japan vs western animation in 2017

Only bias and ignorance could think that.

>>91143154
>i'm going to ignore the average with exceptions
it's a known fact that anime generally has cheaper animation, exceptions don't change that.

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>>91143154
I love seeing these storyboards animated together nicely.

I throw up every time I see an AT or SU storyboard

>>91143202
I'm so butthurt that I won't bother arguing with someone who knows he's wrong?

>>91143027
>American cartoons cost more because animators cost more
Nearly all American animation is outsourced to Korea, sometimes other Asian countries. In the past it used to be outsourced to Japan.

>Japanese animators make literally half of what minimum wage is in America, that's why it's cheaper.
The average episode budget of anime would have to be three times higher to bring it in line with the average episode budget in America.

While animators don't make big bucks in the industry, neither does anyone else. In America it's assumed that if you're in the entertainment business, you have to be paid huge amounts of money.

>>91143071
>apan generally goes for cheaper when it comes to korean animators by having less frames or by using a similar art style.
Most animation is done in Japan, and the limited animation style of anime goes back to the 1960s.

>>91143179
I am trying to figure out what this is trying to prove. There are both good and shit shows on both but I am certain the creator of this image is trying to push a bias.
Though this is a good example of how western animation is more varied.

>>91143064
>our plots, stories and settings are boring, repetitive, and have no soul

Factually wrong.
>butthurt /tumblr/fag making ignorant broad assumptions with no evidence to back it up

Wowie

The East pumps out many more series than we do over here.

How many new cartoons do we get a year here in America? Three? Four? Maybe five? Everything else is a continuation of am existing series.

Meanwhile Japan shits out 25 or so every season, many without any soul or purpose beyond bleeding weebs of waifu dollars, they aren't trying to be the next DBZ or JoJo.
So of course a lot of them will look the same, many of them are churned out by the same handful of studios.

Besides, the west does go through trends where one style of animation is heavily used over others. Remember all of those low budget family guy clones that kept popping up from 2009 to about 2015?
We just put out a lot less so it's not as noticable or blatant when it does happen.

>>91143252
>Factually wrong
Butthurt weeb detected. Sorry people don't like your soul less slice of life, moe or shounen.

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>>91143215
>generally has cheaper animation
cheaper doesn't mean worse
more expensive doesn't mean better

>>91143268
This anon gets it. Anime is generally quickly pumped out, that is why it looks similar most of the time.
That is basically the /thread but people are still going to argue.

>>91143154
>Posting Flip Flappers

That's just not fair. There has literally never been a non-movie cartoon from the US that could compare to it.

>>91143297
Your image is trying to pretend that the left looks better but I saw most of those in motion and they definitely do not.

Reminder Mob Psycho 100 and One Punch Man blow any cartoon out of the water for style AND animation yet holds a average budget.

>>91143327
Mob looks great but SJ and Titmouse animation has looked better.

>>91143326
>most of those
It's one show. Caught in your own fucking lie, faggot.

>>91143304
You're ignoring large swaths of that post. Western studios go through the same style repetition. I would bet that, percentage-wise, there's just as much derivation in every industry. There are still at least a couple of genuinely interesting pieces of animation every season coming out of Japan.

>>91143238
How is it an example of how varied western animation is if you could take the plot of one episode and seamlessly put it into another one of the shows?
Which happens all of the time, because Simpsons did everything first

>>91143326
You're either misunderstanding my post or you mixed up your left and right

>>91143360
Nah, I agree with him, Gargantia was nothing special.

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>Another /co/ in denial episode

This short animation of a phone snapping is more work than went into any western show in the past 5 years i'm sure.

>>91143109
Moe is not an art style, genre, character type or character trait. The anime industry's temporary slump was caused by foreign markets crashing and the global economic crisis.

>Studios, wanting to avoid a repeat of this fiasco, now create shows with a set of aesthetics that undeniably attract viewers and sell merch.
No such thing is happening, and "experimental shows" have not gone anywhere. It's also not usually the studios that decide what they'll make, they are usually hired guns.

>>91143124
>Because it's now focusing on the obsessive crowd.
It is not. This is a meme.

>But even then it hasn't changed that much
It's undergone many changes.

>>91143168
All animation cuts corners, and in all likelihood a character teleports behind another because that's what happened in the original manga or light novel.
>>91143268
>many without any soul or purpose beyond bleeding weebs of waifu dollars
Something is not lacking soul or purpose just because you don't like it. Weebs are not a target audience for the anime industry and practically speaking do not even exist. There is no such thing as "waifu dollars."

>many of them are churned out by the same handful of studios.
As opposed to what? Every show being made by a different studio?

>>91143353
>Lie
I haven't watched the entire thing. That doesn't change the fact that the animation isn't as good as that cherry picking image is pretending.

>>91143352
Titmouse makes good shows, but that doesn't mean all of their shows have amazing animation
The animation is high quality, but that's only on a local level for the United states

Samurai Jack is kino, but it doesn't represent the majority of western shows

>>91143381
Why does /a/ bring their insecurity to /co/?

>>91143386
>Cherry picking
see
>>91143211

All those shows on the left look and move better than the right.

>>91143418
Not all. DR3 was garbage in every way possible, and Star is a good show.

>>91143397
>KINO
As someone who isn't a normalfag or a nigger can someone explain what this word means?
>>91143418
But that's false. Your weeabooism has warped your brain and even then that is just more cherrypicking.

>>91143374
Okay, but he said that the image is pretending the left looks better
When really the image is supposed to showcase that Gargantia did more with less budget, meaning the right looks better

And by any account, Adventure Time's animation is mediocre compared to Gargantia

>>91141684
I'll add my own, but I need a higher resolution image because I can't make out the faces on some of them.

---Top Row ---
Simpsons
Family Guy/ American Dad (Seth McFarlane)
KoTH
Bob's Burgers
Jetsons / Hannah Barbera
??
Dr Seuss (His face looks like The Grinch's)
Scooby Doo
GI Joe I assume
Archer (?) No but I can't place it either
Transformers
Astro Boy
??

--Middle --
I think the Third is Dexter's Lab? His face looks like the father's but the lines are not thick enough.. Johnny Test??
4th is Bruce Timm /BTAS
John K Ren and Stimpy
South Park
This one is Archer
Venture Bros
Home made movies? I don't know
The Boondocks?
Don't know. It's black and white but is too detailed to be Felix the Cat or Mickey. Maybe Fleischer?
Peanuts
Garfield

--Bottom
Smurfs
I don't know the name but I know it's on Boomerang I was thinking Dora the Explorer
Alan Gregory (?)
??
??
Rugrats
Doug
??
??
Phineas and Ferb
Looney Tunes
DBZ
Celebrity Death Match.

>>91143412
It's fun to bully. See if you guys were just adults, you'd actually admit to the truth and we'd be done with it. Instead you guys shit your pants, cover your ears and try to ignore reality, so it's fun to fuck with you losers.

>>91143446
We're talking animation. Can't you even keep up with the topic at hand? Haha.

>>91143304
>Anime is generally quickly pumped out, that is why it looks similar most of the time.
The production schedules of anime have nothing to do with aesthetic similarities in character design, which in most cases originate from a manga.

>>91143386
Animation is a lot more than fluidity or number of frames, so even if something American has more fluid animation or more frames it doesn't mean it has better animation.

>>91143473
Yes, every way possible. That includes its animation which was very subpar.

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>>91143412
The irony is palpable

>>91143456
>As someone who isn't a normalfag or a nigger can someone explain what this word means?
If you weren't a normalfag, you'd already know

lurk more

>>91143456
>But that's false. Your weeabooism has warped your brain and even then that is just more cherrypicking.

You're free to add onto the image if anything got left out :)

>>91143464
It's really not. I'm mostly arguing on the side of anime in this thread, but Gargantia was a very average show, and Adventure Time's animation is definitely more fluid and impressive than it.

>>91143473
>It's fun to bully
But considering Samurai Jack just came out and is portraying Japanese culture better than any anime has done in over a year I wouldn't try to act high and mighty. But I guess since it's either that or go back to the flavor of the month pile of shit /a/ obsesses over I guess this is the better alternative.

>>91143499
>Uses a normalfag term and gets butthurt when someone calls him out on it.
>>91143490
When you pump shit out it's a lot harder to actually get anything original. It's factory line animation.

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>>91143518
>Samurai Jack just came out and is portraying Japanese culture better than any anime has done in over a year

Why do you people make posts like this? Stop making me defend anime.

>>91143384
>Weebs are not a target audience for the anime industry and practically speaking do not even exist. There is no such thing as "waifu dollars."

Fine then, "Otakus", the Japanese men living in Japan who will blow most of their salary on figurines, body pillows, and DVDs while wallowing in their own virginity.
Those people exist, and they're a big part of the target demographic for most of them.
Or are you so gullible as to believe that every series in the 25 or so that come out every season are part of some directors artistic vision?

>>91143518
>We got one really good show this decade, HAH! in your face!

Oh you got me.
No one at any point denied that there are no good cartoons, Samurai Jack is top tier. But it is one show, you get maybe a handful of shows PERIOD a year while we get 100+ even if only 10% of that 100 is good we're still getting more good shows than you are on a regular basis

>>91143551
Are you implying that pic is better?
>>91143557
Quality over quantity.

>>91143518
>and is portraying Japanese culture better than any anime has done in over a year
Lol?

>>91143216
>>91143154
>>91143308
I used to be a weeb like you. Christ, I cringe at the very thought of how annoying I had to be.

>>91141384
I'm surprised Doraemon, and the more cartoonier anime aren't listed.

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These threads are always so one sided because it's obvious /a/ actually watches a lot of western shows (It's not hard since there are so few to be honest) while /co/ does not.

>>91143579
>Quality over quantity.
Anime gets both by virtue of its quantity.

And yes, Rakugo is a better portrayal of Japanese Culture than a show made by a bunch of weebs about a cool samurai dude fighting robots in teh future!

>>91143515
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rY2yISt4yMk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pp6CK6f80rs

Dude I have no clue what you mean by impressive, but fluidity doesn't necessarily equate to great quality
I could tween an object across the screen and that's literally as fluid as it gets, but that doesn't necessarily equate to a quality animation

>>91143579
>Quality over quantity.

Considering you can't even read it seems, I doubt you even know what quality is.

>>91143543
>>Uses a normalfag term and gets butthurt when someone calls him out on it.
lurk more

>>91143621
>trailers

Come on man, we both know that that's a poor way to evaluate the animation of an entire show. It's pure cherry picking.

>>91143580
Anime degenerates japanese culture by focusing on the neets.
>>91143616
>it gets both
But that is false. Samurai Jack has the most quality, so does Venture bros.

>>91143584
You never see these threads on /a/, it's not because of mods, it's because they don't give a shit about the west.

Maybe /co/ should adopt that policy

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Hey /co/ could you recommend me a non-comedic romance cartoon that came out in the last few years?
I mean that exists, right?

>>91143661
Sure. Western animation puts out quality, too. It's not like this is a zero sum game. Samurai Jack existing doesn't somehow delegitimize the quality animation that Japan produces.

>>91143659
>It's pure cherry picking
Exactly, people pull out the best each show has to offer and then present it
Why would you not evaluate it like that
I was looking for a series of clips from the show to showcase, and that's literally what a trailer is

>>91143515
Fluid animation does not mean better animation. And that's assuming it even is fluid.

>>91143543
>It's factory line animation.
Every anime is made from scratch by hand, and the fact that the industry as a whole is producing a lot of shows does not mean that each individual studio is producing a lot of shows.

>>91143552
"Otaku," as Westerners understand them, do not exist. They are a giant meme.

>Or are you so gullible as to believe that every series in the 25 or so that come out every season are part of some directors artistic vision?
Are you so narcissistic to think that something cannot be someone's artistic vision just because you don't like what they made?

>>91143579
>Quality over quantity.
American animation has neither quality nor quantity on its side.

>>91143661
>Anime degenerates japanese culture by focusing on the neets.
A few shows have a NEET as the protagonist, therefore anime is degenerating Japanese culture? Were you high when you wrote this? I hope so.

>>91143687
Romance is shit tier.

>>91143661
wew

>>91143695
Because it's a bad way to evaluate overall animation.

>>91143659
>someone from /a/ posts clips and scenes
>/co/fag: CHERRY PICKING CHERRY PICKING
>/co/fag then proceeds to post nothing of their own

>>91143719
I'm not interested in arguing for /co/, I've been defending anime. I just want people to not use shitty examples when making their argument. Gargantia is not a great show.

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>>91143711
Could you guys recommend me a non-comedic mystery that came out in the last few years?
That exists, right?
>>91143737
Doesn't have to be great, just better than AT, which it is.

>>91143693
The west has the best Quality animation, Japan has the most quantity. The best Western cartoons are better than the best japanese cartoons in terms of both animation and overall quality. Spongebob is a better comedy and anything japan has made, KOTH is a better slice of life for examples.
>>91143719
It is cherrypicking. You getting butthurt doesn't change that fact. Also no one needs to post cartoons because everyone knows how varied they are.

>>91143748
>Doesn't have to be great, just better than AT, which it is.
It's not. At best it's arguable. Just use a genuinely great show, they're not that hard to find.

>>91143600
I don't like anime mostly because I don't like most generes within it so I tend to stick with cartoons and comics. But even I can see that the idiots defending western animation here haven't seen more than 5 good cartoons ,both anime and western. Let alone know how animation works.

>>91143518
The funny thing is i'm sure someone on /co/ believes this.

>>91143766
>The west has the best Quality animation
No, Japan does.

>The best Western cartoons are better than the best japanese cartoons in terms of both animation and overall quality.
No they are not.

>>91143716
>Because it's a bad way to evaluate overall animation.
I'd say that overall, adventure time still has way worse animation
But how else would you evaluate overall animation?

>>91143748
Why can't a show have comedy in it? Does your autism not allow a joke?
By that same logic I could easily name genres in anime that are under represented to that don't have fanservice.

>>91143766
Yo, I think you might actually be sub-100 IQ, so let me lay this out for you.

Japan produces over 100 anime a year.
If only 10% of that is quality, that's over 10 quality anime a year.
The West produces probably about 5 quality anime a year.

Ergo, Japan produces a higher quantity of quality animation.

Does that make sense, or is it still too complicated for you?

>>91143797
Show each show's worst moments

>>91143795
>No
Then how come japan still hasn't produced anything as good as King of the Hill or classic golden age cartoons?
>>91143806
>if 10% of that is quality
It's not. Unless you think barely watchable is quality.

>>91143803
Having comedy and being a comedy are not the same thing.

One of the great and undeniable issues with western animation is the narrow choice of genres.

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The shitposting in this thread has gone out of control

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>>91143766
>The best Western cartoons are better than the best japanese cartoons in terms of both animation and overall quality.

Show me a single cartoon that has better animation than Flip Flappers. https://sakugabooru.com/post?tags=flip_flappers

Go ahead anon, prove your claim.

>>91143748
Sorry anon, the western animation industry is so good that entire genres simply don't exist anymore, hahaha.

>>91143803
Humor is fine, but you don't have anything that isn't a comedy first then just has some romance or mystery in it as only an aspect and not a focus. If someone wanted to sit down and watch a serious mystery or romance cartoon made this decade, they....couldn't.

>>91143803
>Why can't a show have comedy in it?
There's nothing wrong with comedy, but that doesn't mean it has to be present in everything
Should I make a joke about autism and how you can't handle anything serious or at least non-comedic

>>91143836
Then scooby doo mystery inc.

Have some Hiroyuki Okiura sakugakino

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bv4grHvq7E8

>>91143833
There are at least three genuinely well made shows from Japan every season. If you're not willing to agree to that number you're not taking this discussion seriously enough to reply to.

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If only I was able to crash threads with no survivors.

It's always funny how art/animation threads always devolve into /co/ trying to suddenly start talking about writing quality to try and change the topic. (But then they still lose)

>>91143839
Anything from the golden age of animation.
Sorry that was so easy to Blow you the fuck out with.
>>91143870
>You need to accept this flavor of the month as amazing or else I hate you

>>91143833
>Then how come japan still hasn't produced anything as good as King of the Hill or classic golden age cartoons?
It has.

People claim American animation is better due to nationalism, pan-Western quasi-nationalism or hatred of Japan, not because there's any truth whatsoever to the claim.

>>91143867
That's definitely a comedy. There's no Scooby Doo that takes itself seriously.

>>91143819
That doesn't make any sense
If there are two Olympic sprinters, one who places in the middle of the heat no matter how hard she tries and one who places first or second IF she tries at all, then that doesn't mean the second sprinter is slower or a worse sprinter
That's an even worse example of cherrypicking, especially when the argument is about how GOOD something CAN be

>>91141384
there is different style, but not a lot of exaggeration
proportion wise

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Would anyone from /co/ actually be interested in a serious discussion over voice about this?

>>91143894
>Anything from the golden age of animation.
Animation quality is not determined by fluidity or the number of frames used.

>>91143833
>KotH
>good
kek, why do people ever think this?
I'm not even saying anime is better or anything, but of all shows, KotH?

>>91143883
>They
What are you doing here /a/? Shouldn't you be discussing your shit of the month show?
>>91143895
>It has
Proof
>>91143897
>There's no Scooby Doo that takes itself seriously.
Watch the movies or the cartoon that came out a few years ago.

>>91143938
>Proof
I could list all kinds of shows, but what's the point? You're a retarded fanatic.

>>91143894
>Anything from the golden age of animation.

Show me anon.
Why is /co/ always so afraid to actually give detailed replies or answers? Or post actual evidence.

>>91143907
I'm too socially awkward to do anything over voice
that's why I'm here anon

But I can promise to never bring up autism

>>91143926
Yes it is. Sorry it doesn't appeal to your weeb senses.
>>91143960
Actually you are for sucking the cock of a country you never visited.

>>91143708
>"Otaku," as Westerners understand them, do not exist. They are a giant meme.

Fine then, you colossal faggot. Educate me since you know so much.
What is the proper Japanese term that Japanese people living in Japan use to describe 'Pathetic men who buy an unhealthy amount of anime and anime merch while ignoring real life flesh and blood women in favor of idealized and perfect 2D women' ? They must have a term for it, since they constantly report on it being a problem over there.

>Are you so narcissistic to think that something cannot be someone's artistic vision just because you don't like what they made?

No you fucking cunt. Some of them are, and those that are have staying power. People remember them.
But most of them aren't. Most of them are assembly line garbage churned out to make a fast buck. The same thing exists in western animation, we just call those tax write offs here.

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Die thread
Die

>>91143938
Nigga, I have watched every scooby doo animation ever produced. Mystery Inc had some serious moments, no doubt. But it was still ultimately a comedy as well. Sheriff Bronson Stone is a purely comedic character.

And the movies a few years ago? What, like the TSA scenes from Zombie Island don't exist? Like Cyberchase was serious at all?

>>91143981
>Actually you are for sucking the cock of a country you never visited.

I've never been to America either, so I have no nationalistic bias.

>>91143959
>I could
So you don't have any proof. Goodbye.
>>91143995
Watch the 90s movies. They take themselves seriously.

>>91143938
>Watch the movies or the cartoon that came out a few years ago
featuring, respectively, a CGI dog and a revamp on a character who is now obsessed with puppets

The latter being the latest incarnation of scooby that came out a few years ago

>>91144014
>Watch the 90s movies. They take themselves seriously.
You are insulting me.

>>91141103
Japanese animation is more kino, compared to western animation thats stuck on 2D comic panels. The art style is designed around 3D to adapt to variant scenes. Western animation has the freedom to be ugly and impossible, as it is stuck to an angle, never letting the viewer know what the characters really look like.

>>91143981
>Actually you are for sucking the cock of a country you never visited.

Yeah anon, fuck critical thinking and intellectual honesty and shiettt
Just say (your country) is da bestiest number 1 even if its not true

>>91144000
>It's sucking cock to admit that the best animation is the best!
It's called the golden age for a reason. Who framed Rodger Rabbit for example coined a fucking term for going beyond even good quality.

artists learned to draw differently
Japanese art is more line focused when building a character
Western art is more shaped focused when building a character

>>91144040
When did I ever say my country. This thread is about the entire western animation industry you dumb shit.
>>91144028
Zombie island took itself seriously anon.

>>91144046
Congrats, that was how many decades ago?
Stop living in the past.

>>91144072
Nice goalpost moving.

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If you had to pick the best western cartoon vs the best anime in the following categories what would you pick?

>Story

>Artstyle

>Animation

>All round favourite

Easy mode- You can pit western film against TV anime

>Some genres don't even exist anymore as far as modern cartoons go
>/co/ still tries to defend it

Embarrassing.

>>91144068
>Zombie island took itself seriously anon.
It literally fucking didn't. Once again, it had some spooky and serious moments, but it was still ultimately a comedy as well. That whole Terror Time chase scene is just as much of a comedy as every other version of Scooby Doo has created.

>>91144068
>Zombie island took itself seriously anon.
Show me any critical source (not critical as in they hate it but critical in that they critiqued it) that says Scooby Doo on Zombie Island wasn't a comedy

>>91143982
>They must have a term for it
The issue is not whether those kind of people exist, the issue is that they are hysterically to a hysterical stereotype, equated with all otaku, and seen as constituting the entire audience for anime.

>Most of them are assembly line garbage churned out to make a fast buck.
Anime cannot be mass produced, and something wasn't "churned out to make a fast buck" just because you don't like it. There's also no incentive in the industry to make low quality anime. People can watch the show for free, and if they don't like what they see then they will pay no money for it.

>>91144014
>So you don't have any proof. Goodbye.
Again:
>I could list all kinds of shows, but what's the point? You're a retarded fanatic.

>>91144091
So once you're the best at something, you're the best forever even if 20 years later you're absolute fucking trash?

Get out of here faggot