Why don't the humans in this show care about anything? Why

>>91132304
At least there won't be a shitty le imcompetent CIA agents try to track down the Crystal gems episode

>>91132320
But it would at least be some sort of attempt. Not a single person on this show acts like a rational human being. It's amazing.

>>91132320
I'll be honest, incompetent government agents trying to deal with magical bullshit actually sounds at least worth a few chuckles. Shame that it A. didn't happen, and B. Sugar and Company would have certainly fucked it up if it did happen, though

>>91132304
All this magical shit is boring to them because it existed longer than their society has

it's the biggest suspension-of-disbelief breaking element of the show, but still sort of forgivable if you're willing to read a fair amount into the nature of the world. eg. it hasn't been explicitly stated, but the history of the Gem War and the presence of Gem Fauna on the planet being a well known and accepted fact of life by humanity (not just Greg). there is some evidence for it eg. Mrs. Maheswaran reacting with apparent knowing comprehension when she has the gem mutants explained to her, gems on the currency, books in the library about it.

also, it's never come up yet, but common firearms would most likely insta-poof most gem forms, and shatter gems, so their lack of constant terror at their broad circumstance (living in a world riddled with corrupted gem monsters) may not be entirely irrational.

>>91132304
According to Sugar, the History of this Earth was infinitely less turbulent than ours. Which would explain why most of its people are dull-witted.

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>>91132320
>Tell me about Steven, why does he wear the gem?

>>91132304
Also there is the fact Rock Monsters don't attack human society, they are basically wild animals that live in places far from human habitation.

The only reason so many appear around the Beach City is because they are attracted to the temple and the presence of other gems specifically, the presence of humans is pretty much inconsequential.

You notice the Frankenstein gem was pretty passive when the doctor woman was examining it? Only freaked out and got grabby when another gem appeared.

>>91132304
The existence of Gems are more of an 'au where civilisation has normalised gems' than a 'canon universe where we all resent gems and kill them'

>>91132304
Yeah, seriously. There was a fucking alien war on Earth during the bronze age and some major geographical changes that may or may not be connected, but it seems to have done fuck all except change the names of some of the United States and make the Canadian flag even shittier than normal.

>>91132535
It also prevented WW2

>>91132414
corrupted gems are different from gem mutants. gem mutants 100% canonically seek out other gems, but corrupted gems seem to mostly just act like random xeno fauna (with some possibly more-sapient exceptions, eg. the beetles). and then there are unique gem-powered artifacts like Lapis' Mirror and The Desert Glass.

>>91132544
And yet technological progress continued as if the large push for technological advancement caused by a massive world-wide conflict still happened.

>>91132304
Mind control minerals in the water. They effect Steven too, on a lesser extent, which is why he never asks followup questions

>>91132607
They're turning all the children gay.

>>91132591
Technology would advance regardless even if at a different rate, how do you know they have the exact same advancements as we do? Maybe they are behind when it comes to rockets and nuclear weapons.

They at least have tanks and fighter planes of some sort, seeing as we've literally seen them

>>91132304
Because Sugar is a hack.

>>91132304
He's a earring wearing crying weak faggot

>>91132535
Holy fuck that is some shitty alt history writing

>>91132535
>names of some states changed because of stuff that happened in bronze age
what

In their world the gems have always been there so it's not like they're suddenly surprised by it.

>>91132691
true

>>91132304
This kind of bugs me, but given that the gems house predates the town I assume it is one of those weird things all the town folk are use to given it has been that way for as long as anyone can remember.

That said it would still stand that new people from out of town would have some more notable reaction of some kind.

I would expect a FBI guy keeping tabs on them or something, but not sure how big of a deal that would be given the "aliens" haven't done anything of note in two centuries, so at some point the agency would lose interest. But there would still be plenty of reason to freak-out with those corrupted gem monsters.

Speaking of which whatever happened to those monsters of the week, did they finally capture them all? I mean they have been hunting them for thousands of years and there is a finite number of them, so at some point that should be taken care of.

But honestly I find Onion to be a far more strange and disrupting element then the flat townsfolk reactions.

>>91132397
Why do I have a feeling we'll also learn that World War 1 and 2 in the Earth of the SU-verse never happened?

Because of some reason in which "Rose did something goody-two-shoes that prevented Archduke Ferdinand from being killed and Germany becoming a Nazi Germany."

>>91134009
We won't because Earth has no relevence besides being a plot device and a place where gems had a war once.

>>91134045
Still, me thinks in the Earth of SU. WW1 and 2 probably never happened because of some miraculous crap that may or may not involve a reason that's basically:

>"Rose did it out of being a goody two shoes."

>>91134066
>"Rose fucked their brains out."
ftfy

>>91132387
Not sure if /k/ trolling. The gems have like science guns and magic space swords and even then they can take a beating. Pretty sure bullets aren't space magic enough

>>91132304
>Why is it that nobody in this show acts rational at all?
Because Sugar believe that being emotional and crying is better then being rational and stoic.

>>91134128
There's a time and place for both.

>>91134009
>>91134066
Ofcourse World War 2 never happened in the SU-verse. Because WW2 offends the juice and Sugar is one after all.

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>>91134066
>I BLAME FEGELEIN FOR ALL THESE LESBIAN ALIEN ROCKS, NOW GO AND FIND ME FEGELEIN!
>FEGELIEN!
>FEGELEIN!

>>91134128
trying to be rational and stoic all the time just you a neurotic, deluded mess. look at ayn rand. why would anyone want to be like ayn rand?

>>91134184
If anything Rose helped Hitler join art school.

>>91134206
Nobody wants to be like Ayn Rand, OR Hitler.

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>>91134266
Does Rose also help play along in making "harmless" pranks and antics with Herman Otto Fegelien the Antics Master towards Hitler?

>>91134066
>miraculous crap
big ass crater in the continent of asia, probably from pink diamond emerging some 6000 years prior
first british colony in america was founded 200 years later than irl by a very different crew, and when they got there they found not native americans but a place with no humans and three mythological beings

that's all you need to know to see how ww1 and ww2 could have not happened

>>91132304
>Why haven't they at least tried to do something to fight against rock monsters instead of just letting the Crystal Gems take care of it?
Because the crystal gems always take care of it. Why waste time dealing with a thing that will be dealt with?

>>91134093
Falling in a rock hurts them. Guns would destroy them

Because having them react to anything out of the ordinary would require the writers to not be lazy.

>>91132304

This show had so much potential for so long and now it just hurts. Steven Universe season 1 was really excellent and seemed to know what it was doing and how to convey it's message. "Love Letters" marks the point in the show where things slowing began to take a turn for the worse, which was only cemented by "Sworn to the Sword."

Steven Universe really gets under my skin because it was a show that I really enjoyed and looked forward to watching, and now the vision for the show that I fell in love with is gone. It sucks.

>>91134093

Pearl got taken out by a fucking training program it literally just pokes through her body and she poofs back into her gem.

But ok fine it was a magic space tech sword thing. There is shit loads of gem stuff just littering the earth any government and army would be swarming all over that shit learning about it and potentially making weapons to fight gems. But aparantly not because nobody knows gems exist or what they even are?

>>91132387

Its weird their is gem fauna and flora stuff all over the place but humans have no idea what the fuck it is. Most of the time its like they have never seen it before.

>>91134558
That's what you deserve for unironically enjoying this worthless Tumblr garbage.

>>91133877
>new people from out of town would have some more notable reaction of some kind.

WHAT NEW PEOPLE FROM OUT OF TOWN.

They talk like its a small beach community that runs basically off tourist dollars in the summer and spring but we never ever see this shit. Its literally like the Beach City is completely disconnected from the rest of America.

>>91134563
there's plenty of flora and fauna that we only know exist because we've managed to find a scarce handful of specimens.

>>91134563
Corrupted gems are all unique bizarro creatures of extreme rarity, and the crystal gems take them away as soon as making contact. The average person will likely not know what the fuck they're looking at, and no one has much opportunity to study it

Humanity would be all over the temples and artifacts though. Kindergarten would be made into a damn tourist trap without 24hr CG survelliance

>>91134591
Yes, I can't wait for tourist season, been years and we still haven't had one. ...?

I love revelation reactions, a crowd of tourist would be perfect now that the fence is down. But honestly the fence should have actully attracted some groups. I mean untouched beach with crazy temple away from boring adults. Trouble is asking to be made.

>>91134591
Maheswarans, Andy, etc

>>91133042
Gems have onl been around for 5000 years. That's retardedly short compared to how long modern humans have been around.

>>91134725
Gems were around way before then. Garnet and Pearl themselves are 5000+ years old and were probably young when the rebellion started. But HW had already colonized many planets at that point. White diamond owns most of them.

>>91134725
What era of history was 5000 years ago? We talking Aztecs here?

>>91134591
Steven first saw connie when she went to the float parade there. Maybe that's the tourism event?

>>91132320
I would take that over the show's current non-existant direction

>>91134812
we talking bronze age, sumerians, ancient egypt, that sort of stuff

>>91134692
>Maheswarans, Andy

Connie and her parents live within driving distance for Greg to be able to drive their in a short amount of time or for Connie to commute their by herself from time to time.


The show is just frustrating it's world is so inconsistent and weird and the humans have to be incredibly stupid for the show to work. So this tourist town that people visit nobody is filming the magic gem aliens fight things ON THE DAM BEACH. No Tourists, No locals nobody is filming the weird shit that happens and putting it on youtube. How about the multiple times very large objects come from space and would easily be tracked by any type of space program, observatory or PERSON LOOKING UP AT THE GIANT FUCKING THING IN THE SKY from a town over. How about giant bodies of water like the ocean being turned into a giant pillar that reaches incredibly high into the sky thats not noticed either.

Lets just assume that the Government doesn't know of any Gem ruins or anything. enough weird shit happens the place should constantly be swarming with scientists or government agents to work out why ufos are constantly entering here.

>>91134889
coo, it would've been coll if they showed human warriors fighting in the gem wars.

>>91132691
t. Jasper

It's like the humans in Invader Zim. They're a bunch of barely functioning retards, except in Invader Zim their stupidity fits the setting in how much of a shithole their world is, while in SU they pass it as them being "quirky" and in their fluffy nice world it's simply infuriating.

>>91134947

I think they showed stain glass windows depicting knights alongside rose at one point.

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>>91134093
>magic space swords
They swords are pretty much normal.

>Pretty sure bullets aren't space magic enough
Pretty sure a handgun can poof 99% of the gems. Pretty sure that a human can beat gems like Pearl in a fight

>>91132657
Doesn't keep them from having tablets and smartphones. That shit is more complex than the tech that was used to send the man to the moon.

>>91135087
Their*

>>91135087
I disagree on the last point

>>91135135
A strong, skilled human.

>>91135170
Still strongly no.

>>91135049
but that doesn't fit with the 5000 years ago narrative as even the concept of a knight didn't exist

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>>91134093
>bullets aren't space magic
No, but they ARE pretty much small rocks. An ordinary rock damn near shattered Amethyst, and that was just a simple fall onto it - relative speed probably wasn't more than 25 or 30 m/s.
Even if a bullet can't poof a Gem, it sure as hell can shatter one, probably better than Bismuth's shatterer thing.

Pic unrelated.

>>91134936
In her intro episode connie says they recently moved there

>>91135198

Shhh don't think about it the shows world is poorly thought out at best.

>>91135206

You don't even need the bullet to shatter them the bullet just has to damage the hard light body enough they revert back to gem form to heal and then they are completely defenseless to shatter at your leisure.

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>>91135192
anon. amethyst fell on a rock and nearly died.
pearl was poofed by getting shanked. Bismuth's "ultimate weapon" is a spike on a piston.

your special snowflake species isn't half as special as you think it is.

>>91134812
imagining an aztec berserker cleaving gems apart with a bone sword makes me happy inside

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>Leave Jasper to me, Amethyst

>>91135291
I'm saying a single human, skilled strong, wouldn't be able to take on Pearl, who has 5000 years fighting experience, can punt multi-ton boulders out of the air and is as hard as a brick wall.

>>91135358
he could if he had a gun.

Also, consider this; Connie will probably end up being a better sword fighter than Pearl, because of her mary sue powers.

>>91135345
Is it just me or does that shotgun look off to anyone else?

>>91135389
barrels look tapered

>>91132304
If humans were competent then the gems would be dead. DON'T UNDERESTIMATE THE POWER OF NINGEN!

>>91135380
Pearl has her spear, basically negating the ranged advantage a human could have.

>Connie will probably end up being a better sword fighter than Pearl, because of her mary sue powers.
maybe

>>91135358
>who has 5000 years fighting experience
Yeah no. Look at the show. She barely knows how to fight.

>can punt multi-ton boulders
Nop.

>is as hard as a brick wall.
HAHAHAHAHAHHA

>>91132405
>If I pulled it out, would he die?
this was an actual thread on /co/

>>91135430
>Look at the show.
I could say the same to you.

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>>91135422
You're vastly overestimating Pearl's combat skills. She's gotten her shit kicked in by barely-sentient monsters.

>>91134093
>>91134511
F=ma
This is 100% true. Guns would annihilate gems.

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>incapacitated by ketchup

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>>91135422
>Spears negate the ranged of a gun
That's fucking wrong, faggot.
Spearman beats tank

>>91134511
>>91135087
Could be a Dune kind of thing, where they have force fields that only stop things above a certain speed

>>91135460
And also beaten triplefusions like Sugilite. Don't trust the power levels on the show.

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>>91135417
I'm still mad. Fucking ningens.

>>91135448
Remember that time when Pearl was beaten
by ketchup

>>91135460
I want to see Pearl get into a serious 1v1 fight with someone. Garnet and Amethyst has had theirs with Jasper.

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>>91135499
Then you can't even make an argument to how strong she is in the first place.

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>>91135261
given the way there hard light body reacts to physical forces I would guess that bullets would have little effect on them. However their gem core behaves just like a typical gem so bullets would be a very real threat if it hits them there.

If they can hid their gem inside their hard light body this could offer significant protection from such attacks, or at least make it a lot harder to hit, but I haven't seen this ever done.

Given this I would see the gems posing and above average threat level compared to a person, but nothing a small team of trained soldier couldn't handle with basic Intel.

* can't see the gem to shoot it directly, bust out a few close range high shrapnel claymores and statistcally that gems going to get shattered.

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>>91135523
I can give you what's been shown in the show.

>>91135564
but what's shown in the show is wildly inconsistent, like you've said.

>>91135540
a thought: mirror gem demonstrates that a gem can store another gem inside their gem

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>>91135540
>given the way there hard light body reacts to physical forces
Remember how the big, powerful Jasper was Poof'ed by a shitty piece of metal? A bullet of can do the job

>>91135587
I pick the examples of her peak, where the character shines the most, since we're pitting her against a peak human.

>>91135650
>Teflon bullets
gg no re

>>91135540
>given the way there hard light body reacts to physical forces I would guess that bullets would have little effect on them.

Id be willing to believe that but shit like >>91135523 Fucking happens and its confusing. Just like everything in the world its inconsistent. Either pearl has training programs with weaponry that can just destroy the hard light bodies or they are very easy to pierce.

>>91135650
Jasper was also already sick with fusion AIDS, so that should be taken into the account.

>>91135685
Gem monsters have never been shown to be less durable

>>91135701
I'm just sayin'.

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>Finn and Jack can beat the gems
>The Pines can beat the gems with Ford's super weapons.
>Star and Marco can beat the gems
>Gumball and his family can beat the gems
>Jack can beat the homeworld
Kek

>>91132304
All strange things are normal for humans in that world. There are even history books about the Gems

>>91134812
Did Aztecs even exist?
I thought the entire American continent was empty

>>91135970
>Did Aztecs even exist?
5000 years ago? No. The continent was not empty tho.

>>91135970
I knew those giant ancheint cities in South America were aliens!

>>91135490
Cum edit when?

>>91135680
>>91135650
Yea, forgot about that.
If that were the case then a few bullet would poof them and then you shoot the exposed gem to finish the job. Need to be a good shot, but there are plenty of people who could do it.

However given the physics of hard light that is not how it should work in the real world. Of course one would need to declare the photonic force value multiplier to have proper reference, too low and they would be like ghost barely able to move things too high and their bodies would be tougher then stone (which >>91135564 shows, but >>91135523 disproves)

>>91135597
no, that not how it worked. However the FTL space flight shows their forms can pass solid barriers. So they could just put their gem inside an armored box that they hide inside their body, then increase the hard light photonic force value multiplier as high as they can. At which point their only major weakness is doubled armored, hidden in their body and likely moving in a random pattern. That would make it darn near impossible to kill them without resorting to very heavy ordinance. Not nuke level, but you'd still might need to call in an airstike to get it done. Personnel explosive options may or may not be enough depending on how hard that armor is.

Then again swords seem to hurt them.

>>91136011
so no empires yet but were there native american tribes?
I know next to nothing about ancient american history

>>91135970
5000 years ago it was Mayans IIRC.

Aztecs aren't ancient, they're 14th-16th century.

>>91132619
>THEY ARE PUTTING MINERAL BASED CHEMICALS INTO THE WATER, THAT TURN THE FREAKING FROGS GAY.
T. Ronaldo Jones.

>>91136128
Maybe the hardness of their body is something they manually control, kinda like flexing muscles?

>>91132683
This, unlike Tolkien(I know he's not the standard level), sugah has never truly expanded on the how, what, and why's of her fictional world, and just proposed her idea, and even then barely added anything after it got picked up.

>>91136281
Well I would assume so given that it is related to their transformation ability.

I may be something as simple as increasing the photonic force value multiplier takes more energy, which it does in real life. So they don't max it out all the time as it takes effort or something.

In which case they should be ability to make significant potions of their body intangible. Excluding their gem of course.

However they don't eat or sleep so I wonder what dictates their power limits given they seem to have no input.

>Gems have always been around so they don't care
But every time a monster or gem related thing happens around them, they look surprised at first like they've never seen it before, like in Fusion Cuisine, but then they quickly stop giving a fuck. Also Ronaldo was finding real evidence that gem shit was aliums but the second any of it was connected to the gems his brain would drop his interest in it like a hot potato

It's like Ronaldo's pamphlet said - brainwashing minerals in the water.

I also think how Greg started to adjust to the Zoo's routines so happily, and how he forget what he and Steven were going to do and instead tried going to sleep, was evidence of some high potency brainwashing stuff in the Zoo's food and water. Also the fact that the Zoo humans themselves were so happy - I know they were raised there for thousands of years but it's like a basic biological urge for animals to want change and stimulation. People would be very depressed if they lived their lives doing the same things every day in a small unchanging space.

Also why Steven never asks follow-up questions or how Connie adjusted so easily. They're more interested than the average humans since they get to see and learn so much, but they're still too casual about it all to be believable in my opinion

>>91132358
They tried it with Danny Phantom and Gravity Falls and it was shit

>>91136591
>It was shit
It was good in GF. In Danny Phantom was a joke. That was the point.

>>91134206
Not that anon, but that is beside the point.

Real humans struggle with emotions and rationality everyday, if anything it would deepen the character arcs extremely in the show.

But all it needs is some tongue in cheek pointing to its own flaws, and that would be enough to make it more logical and relateable. And it could even bring some exposition to its lore.

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>>91136694

>>91135048
This.

It doesn't need endless lore depth, but at least write everything of the world setting in cohession to the plots presented.

>>91135389
It's either sawed off, or the su crew fucked it up.

This is the crew response.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixRE4CMB87M

>>91136554
>it's like a basic biological urge for animals to want change and stimulation.
Our highest priorities are safety and food. People really underestimate how easily contentment will kill the drive to do anything at all. We've let dictators trample us for less

>>91136897
>su
>entertaining

>>91137298
Isn't that the reason for existential dread? Once the fight to survive ends humans feel kind of purposeless

>>91137313
You mean you don't like crying?

>ITT: guns vs Gems
Didn't we have this discussion before?

>>91137339
No, we just stop having sex and slowly die out like the first world is doing now

So we all know that eventually Homeworld is going to invade earth again and the Cluster is going to act as their deus ex machina?

>>91137339
>>91137378
Or we search for new problems in our lives, like deciding our genitals are wrong

>>91137298
>Our highest priorities are safety and food.
And cumming.

>>91137414
I'M A MAN
AND I'M
CUMMING

So the plot for this show is:

An advanced intergalactic alien civilization somehow lose a civil war on one of its colonies which was on planet Earth lead by a lunatic called Rose Quartz who was also a high ranking official of the overseer of the colony Pink Diamond, and they used a weapon that made the remaining gems become primal wild animals that destroy shit, and there were only four survivors.

These four survivors now work to cage all the gem-kin and THEN WHAT?

Now one of the aliens has come to earth to activate a superweapon that will destroy the planet, gets moralfagged into submission and is now a member of the main team.

What?

How the shit can an intergalactic civilization as an enemy even work in a setting where the heros dont live in an intergalactic civilization?

Also does Sucrose have any idea how many gems should exist if they have intergalactic territory?


I mean this antagonist is unbeatable really.

There was a scientific experiment where a person could press a button and it would stimulate the pleasure center of their brain. They would do nothing but press that button all day. Even forgetting to eat and drink. This same experiment was done on rats too.

If you killed Steven. Then carved the gem from his fleshy body... Would rose return?

>>91137491
I would insert it into my anus so Rose could be my butthole.

>>91132304
Its like the Powerpuff Girls universe. People go on with normal human lives unless involved in something.

Superhero preschoolers, magic gnomes, kaiju, mad scientists, invasions from Not-Hell, power armor that any wealthy person can buy, giant bacteria meandering around town, talking dogs...it don't matta, none'a it mattas.

>>91137470
>These four survivors now work to cage all the gem-kin and THEN WHAT?
Rose was allegedly working on a fix.
Obviously steven will eventually manage this because the plot is predictable.

>>91137510
But you would poop it out your next bowel movement.

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>>91135841
>Multiversal tournament held by Uncle Grandpa
>The most popular cartoons of the decade will be participating
>any team who loses will have their show wiped out
>the gems get BTFO for being too weak
>SU gets deleted

>>91135494
Spearmen on camels took out a tank during the Gulf War.

Mostly because the troops really didn't want to shoot them or run over the camels and Saddam was actually treating US POWs well so they surrendered, but still.

>>91137583
No, she would merge with me and her face would be my butthole and I would shit out her mouth.

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>>91137607
That's pretty cool.

>>91137597
Who would win it tho?

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>>91137672

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>>91137717
Nop

>>91134563
Pearl getting taken out by her holo pealr was clearly a plot induced event, at no other point is she shown to be poofed so easily.

For fucks sake she got punched into a cliff wall by Sugulite.

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Can the gems beat Muscle man?

>>91134511
yeah some Gems would. But higher order gems seems like they could easy become more durable than 900m/s could damage. Also ricochet would become a big problem. Garnet would easily be able to take multiple rounds.

>>91137792
Gems have pretty consistently shown to be weak to piercing/slashing attacks and constriction, but resistant to blunt force. The only time we've seen a gem poofed from blunt force is Amethyst, whom was popped by Jasper's headbutt in mid-air, and Lapis, but that might just be a non-accurate representation of events.

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>>91138003
>But higher order gems seems like they could easy become more durable

>>91138064
hmm perhaps I will argue that said holo pearl was capable of slicing through a fucking tree with a goddamn balloon sword. so her piercing Pearl I cant see a human being able to replicate.

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>>91138135
>I cant see a human being able to replicate.

>>91138202
I forgot how ugly and fat Sadie was.

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>>91138255
her design is pretty much female steven

And we're all forgetting that gems have an inherent weakness to dick

>>91138202

>using an event that has never had something similar occur again, with a invisible corrupted gem monster.

GEM A got wrecked so GEM B would also get fucked.

also that was clearly done for plot.

>>91138202
>>91138331

Sadie has some wicked man hands and arms going for her.

>>91138373
>also that was clearly done for plot.
nice excuse

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>>91138373
>everything I don't like was a "forced" plot

>>91138373
Peridot took out Jasper with a broken piece of metal that wasn't even moving that fast.

>>91137974
He's a man. Mainly comprised of muscle. Of course you fucking misogynist cis scum breeder!

>>91137597
>tournament

No. No, that is a terrible cliche.

>>91136130
keep the hood safe H

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>>91136123
It's the best I can do for now.

>>91138901
>the gems go to japan

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>>91138697
>not liking tournaments

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>>91136130
keep the hood safe H

>>91138941
>liking Dragon Ball Super

This thread has explained everything I needed to know and now it makes more sense , thank you, being around for 5000 years explains a lot, humans adjust basically get over it shitlords.

>>91139206
What a weak bait

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>>91135841
Why are the gems so weak?

>>91134184
Would Hitler hit on Pearl?

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>>91139328
Of course he did.

>>91135389
it han no trigger and look's like its floating in her hands

>>91137360
I think we should take this to /k/ for recommended weapons.

>>91132304
Anyone else kinda lost hope in the current age this show is placed in?

Hopefully later it'll get better writers and a more mature air to it that isn't riddled with "muh crying" and horrible pacing.

I wouldn't mind some kind of universal war mosh pit. With a number of lesser factions to the diamonds facing off for control. Each with their own principles and morals. Could still kinda fit into that Steven Universe mold. Have gem splinter factions and maybe some kind of federation for organic beings that resists non-organic/genocidal tyranny.

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This is what SU's earth looks like by the way.

>>91139447
>the arctic and antarctic are missing

I never noticed that before.

>>91139341
>Hitler got cucked by Pearl.
>So he had to settle with second place.
>He became obsessed with anyone that reminded him of her.
>This is what started the Aryan shit.
How much would you want to see this, /co/?

>>91139444
Checked.

Sugahritus should have written some extensive lore beforehand, worked that out in at least the bases, and leave enough room for change, say for plotlines etc.

They did the same with Gravity Balls, write the lore and characters first(Basic guidelines that rule out certain changes, like how Dipper and Mabel, no matter how angry, will always love each other as borhter and sister etc.) out beforehand, and then continue with the plotlines.

Great Idea, but got rushed too much before any lore foundation was actually build out.

>>91139665
Yeah, but this this mythos really does need to some expansion into the untold parts of it's lore. It's really annoying to have a character vaguely mention something and for us to not have any indication and get barely any insight into it later.

Wonder who we can blame this on exactly.

>>91139665
Bibles are pretty typical for shows, so I doubt there isn't one. It is far more likely that the crew view a lot of the information as unnecessary. Alternatively what we are getting is the actual lore outlined in the bible and Sugar just sucks at her job.

>>91132304
Bro, calm down. It's just a cartoon.

>>91139735
Or maybe Sucrose is being a goddamn tease.

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>>91139717
>>91139735
>>91139821

Sugar, either she hasn't written enough for the others to work with, or she isn't able to put her foot down on certain points of her lore, when other people start arguing about it with her.

There was a writer who got fired for stealth forcing a ship(and other reasons too probs) into the stories, with sugulita's characters nonetheless, so I wouldn't put the idea next to me, that she is somewhat of a pushover, or far too nice for her own good.

I think she is either not stern enough to drive her lore as intended through, or she simply didn't flesh out enough before it got hooked for production.

Either way it's either some serious teasing that is edging on getting the show cancelled before a proper ending, or she really is far too casual with her lore.

Sugar is basically an irl Sapphi.

>>91139973
Maybe it'll get cancelled and we'll get a continuation 10 years later that's way better than what Sugar's team is doing right now.

Or it'll get a trash ending and CN will have to relocate Sugar to another dungeon to make another sub-par cartoon.

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>>91140044
Checked.

And I hope for the first option.
Maybe with adult swim instead of CN, because they can go a bit further with the designs and battles.
And it would connect with the target audience having grown older too.

Even if it ends shitty, I am happy that it has brought all of us such joy, and inspiration.

>>91140138
>>91139525
This would be hilarious and horrifying, like the original Opal pose sketch.

>>91138255

Im not gonna lie, i think sadies kinda cute. I know a few girls who look like her only a little taller and/or chunkier

>>91139973
>>91140044
They really should have brought on someone more experienced as a showrunner. Weisman would have been a good fit, but Volpe or Bruce Timm would have also worked.

>>91139447
What did Russia do to deserve this.

>>91139973
>Sugar, either she hasn't written enough for the others to work with, or she isn't able to put her foot down on certain points of her lore, when other people start arguing about it with her.
>There was a writer who got fired for stealth forcing a ship(and other reasons too probs) into the stories, with sugulita's characters nonetheless, so I wouldn't put the idea next to me, that she is somewhat of a pushover, or far too nice for her own good.
>I think she is either not stern enough to drive her lore as intended through, or she simply didn't flesh out enough before it got hooked for production.
>Either way it's either some serious teasing that is edging on getting the show cancelled before a proper ending, or she really is far too casual with her lore.
This. This all fucking over.

>>91140138
Likewise, Anon. Overall it was fun to grow along with the show, though I'm sad to see it on such a narrative decline.

At least when this show ends we'll get talented individuals like Genndy making cartoons for AS. Maybe we'll see a mature western animation influx soon, hopefully.

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>>91140220

They were russhin man

But seriously i think thats the impact crater from the diamonds song

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>>91140308
>That picture

>>91132304
The plot is stupid , gems are weak as fuck.
You can beat the fusions with vibrations machines and you can kill the others wirth rocks.
What an absolute hack is Sugar. Even AT got to S4 before to went to shit.

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>>91140220
They were all Blisk hybrid-mutants in disguise.

>>91140416
/thread

>>91140275
I hope so as well, it's always nice finding agreement with other anons.

>>91140210
Exactly, perhaps they can get the writers of current and future shows, to consult from time to time with the older more experienced generation, about what they think the show could use, and then just get creative and ask for some feedback before they belt it all to the production cycle.

>>91140225
Thank you.

>>91140486
Presumably she picked up a lot of her bad habits from Pendleton Ward while she was on AT, so it isn't that she didn't get the wisdom of the "experienced generation", but rather that she got the wrong wisdom. SU is a show that is heavily reliant on world building, inter-character drama and really long form storytelling. While AT did one of those reasonably well it failed at the other two. This is why I suggested Weisman would have been a good fit. His shows all feature those elements and are all regarded fairly well, with Young Justice being the weakest and even then it is still a good show.

>>91132304
The rock monsters have been around for thousands of years. There's been weird shit happening since around the time humans started to form cities and invent writing. Pearl thinks a lot of humans are still hunter-gatherers.

Expecting them to react to gem shit is kinda like expecting irl people to go apeshit over the pyramids or the ebin old temples around the Middle East.

It's stuff that's always been there and that's always kept happening since before mankind's collective, written memory.

It's hilarious how many people seem to expect the humans in SU to react as if the gems just showed up a week ago. Did you not see the altered world map? It's a different world, shaped by the presence of the gems.

>>91134093

A retarded fat midget killed one with a handmade sharpened stick after basically raping her """boyfriend""" who basically only fucked her to get his dick wet

>>91140638
Retard

>>91139444
>Could still kinda fit into that Steven Universe mold.
No it cant, becaue you dont understand the SU mold. The show is about interpersonal drama and emotional coping, not civil war and societal philosophies. What you want is more gundam than sailor moon

>>91140701
He's right tho

>>91140620
I hope they can get out of this mudpit before the show gets cancelled.

Seeing how that ruby stole her ship back, it could pave a way to a good story arc involving homeworld(Even the antagonists base of origin's name sounds like just a working title).

My idea would be that the show gives the characters a reality check when they encounter white diamond, as in that crying and care-bear stares aren't enough to resolve the feud.

And explain how homeworld actually lost against a small army.

>>91140771
Yeah, members from within each faction can have interpersonal drama based on their ideals and sides in the conflict. With the entertainment aspect lying more towards the conflict itself.

>>91140640
Sadie's life is one of sadness and disappointment.

>>91140638
>Expecting them to react to gem shit is kinda like expecting irl people to go apeshit over the pyramids or the ebin old temples around the Middle East.

Dude, there are still hundreds of conspiracy theories around the pyramids.

>It's stuff that's always been there and that's always kept happening since before mankind's collective, written memory.

The problem is the human characters in SU seem to know jack-shit about the gems and don't seem to care even when new shit happens. Even if we pretend that a town coming under attack by monsters almost weekly is unremarkable. The fact that the government hasn't so much as made a peep after a fucking alien craft came down and attacked said city cannot be explained away with " they're used to it."

>>91140815
>And explain how homeworld actually lost against a small army.
On top of converts from Homeworld, Rose Quartz was able to keep her army alive with her healing powers.

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>>91140638
>>91140801
>the gems inhabited the earth before so people don't care XD
SU shills are stupid. Every single goddamn thing on the planet is older than us and we still show interest in them. Stop posting that pathetic excuse.

>>91140923
Yes, but after the Diamond chaos song they could have just come back and finished the job.

>>91140638
>nobody cares about all the gem monsters in the wilderness who routinely go into town and attack people

>>91140894
>Dude, there are still hundreds of conspiracy theories around the pyramids.
With literal billions who don't give a shit. Much like the situation with Ronaldo: he's the only one who cares in a sea of apathy, and the fact he's comically retarded only makes people care less

>>91140956
I don't think they thought anyone could've survive that one. Also the Cluster was already set up to finish the job.

>>91140815
Homeworld doesn't seem to have much of a tech advantage and for a caste based society the promises of freedom and equality are quite attractive. On top of that it seems like the gems don't have a very large population and likely has other conflicts to deal with, given you don't really need a standing army or super weapons if you are unchallenged. Additionally Rose was pretty goddamned broken and the war shut off production of their new and better Quartz soldiers.

The more i hear about this shit, the more i think how shitty su really is. Like seriously, a bunch of gem monsters but lol its ok, they're just a regular occurrence

>>91140945
Think about your home town. How many people gave great attention to who built stone henge?

>>91141111
If stonehenge got up and smashed a few buildings a hell of a lot more people would be caring.

>>91141006
Yeah that does resolve, I'd still enjoy a thorough run-down on the whole war story though.

>>91141111
No one but they gave great attention at the dog that hurted a 13 years old kid. In SU no one gives a shit about anything. SU world is stupid.

>>91141140
More?

>>91140894
>he thinks SU humans have a federal government
All that infrastructure is gem made. Earth is a giant zoo

>>91141136
What if Stonehenge had always been smashing buildings?

>>91141272
then Stonehenge would have been destroyed by humans a long time ago

>>91141272
I would say people would just not live near it, but people still live in tornado country

>>91141060
I agree with the latter parts, but their technology is extremely advanced though, they literally give their grunts a space warping starship, to go and collect a single quartz soldier, that is as well colour coded to their specific gem-caste.

And it's indeed likely that the other gems did see their chance to escape their homeworld, and start a new free one on Earth with the others, and with the humans.
And that their numbers was far too high for them all to be protected by rose's bubble.

But that doesn't explain why she was the only rose quartz soldier on Earth.

Rose is indeed OP as fuck, she is far too broken, how could their gem-designers(???) have overlooked her this much when designing her series?

I write it off to shitty plot armor tactics.

>>91132358
The Crewniverse can't into humour at all, so it's probably for the best.

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>>91141271
>Earth is a giant zoo

That would explain so fucking much actually

>>91141396
>I agree with the latter parts, but their technology is extremely advanced though, they literally give their grunts a space warping starship, to go and collect a single quartz soldier, that is as well colour coded to their specific gem-caste.

That is a modern ship. Those giant ships were the ones used at the time of the war and the rebels were using the same level tech, outside of the "song".

>But that doesn't explain why she was the only rose quartz soldier on Earth.

The rest were bubbled for fear of rebellion.

>>91141396
>ose is indeed OP as fuck, she is far too broken, how could their gem-designers(???) have overlooked her this much when designing her series?
Because Rose Quartz was most likely a new gem class, made by Pink Diamond, who was most likely still rather new to the whole colonization thing. SHe was probably also rather new to the whole "making new gems" thing.

>>91141481
That....makes too much sense....

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>>91141317
This. This is what SUfags are unable to understand. Something is fucking with us? We kill it. Something is weird? We kill. Something normal cool? We kill it. It's a bad habit desu. Rip in peace doggo.

>>91141482
>That is a modern ship. Those giant ships were the ones used at the time of the war and the rebels were using the same level tech, outside of the "song".

Yes, I overlooked the 5000+ years of development.

>The rest were bubbled for fear of rebellion.

I would also like to see how exactly they did that, or what the Quartz soldiers do on planets without standing armies anyway.
But that point does make sense.

>>91141538
>Implying we all get behind a singular banner

People would oppose certain things, with the existence of the internet that'd be even more likely. SU just has bad writing these days my desu desu nigga

>>91132304
Because the SU crew wants to have their worldbuilding cake and eat it too.

>>91141550
Rose Quartz, and Quartz in general, seem to be a new class at the time of the rebellion.

>>91141538
Mate.....

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>>91141568
If we had the single structure of Stonehenge rampaging across Europe and the British Isles, destroying everything that wasn't a druid, it was totally have been destroyed long ago.

Likewise, the gem monsters are giant, aggressive, feral monsters that live pretty much everywhere.

Like, how was the desert glass undisturbed for so long?

>>91132358
>Expecting comedy out of Steven Universe
As much as I hate to admit it, Say Uncle was the only episode in the show that didn't have some sort of bullshit feel good morals or speeches and was pure comedy. The crew doesn't want the show to be fun.

>>91141503
>Because Rose Quartz was most likely a new gem class, made by Pink Diamond, who was most likely still rather new to the whole colonization thing. SHe was probably also rather new to the whole "making new gems" thing.

See, there is so much potential for lore and world-building with this series, I really hope we will get more insights on the entire system and origin of the Gems, and what happened when Pink diamond got her first colony on Earth.

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>>91132377
>plants have existed longer than our society, that's why there aren't thousands of botanists spending their lives learning about them

>>91141538
That isn't a dog you buffoon.

>>91141625
>Like, how was the desert glass undisturbed for so long?
>SU just has bad writing these days my desu desu nigga

Man, I wouldn't even bother asking.

>>91141575
I guess they should have tested them for bugs first.

>>91141649
more like
>>plants have existed longer than our society, that's why there aren't any botanists?
>what's a botanist?

>>91136130
keep the hood safe H

>>91140771
>What you want is more Gundam than Sailor Moon

Gundam is all ABOUT interpersonal drama and emotional coping more than it is about mech battles or even politics.

>>91141631
Their definition of fun is townie episodes and other such filler.

>>91141625
What if the Stonehedge only attacked the druids?

>>91141901
Would have been destroyed by humans a long time ago

>>91141568
Let's use the one thing that unites us all.
XENOPHOBIA.

>>91141631
>>91141885
Why are the jokes in SU so awful though?
I'm legitimately curious at why their jokes are really soft and fall flat.

>>91136130
keep the hood safe H

>>91141538
Aren't scientists attempting to bring these back?

>>91141963
What if the druids themselves were tiny stonehedges?

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>>91141991
women aren't funny.

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>>91142028
Destroyed

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>>91141983

This

My fellow human beings join me as we purge the xenos!

>>91141538
If we can. We have yet to kill hurricanes

>>91142113
What if the rest of the humans were also stonehedges?

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>>91142139
Destroy all gems!

>>91141625
They're like sharks: out in the middle of nowhere most of the time, and when they pop up and maul some people they disappear back into whatever inhospitable shithole they came from.

>>91142147
>We have yet to kill hurricanes

We haven't stopped trying that, you know? The fight goes on

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>>91142206

>>91142206
What does that even mean anymore?

>>91132304

having humies being more relevant in SU would be like having non-mc male characters being relevant in a harem anime

>>91142139
>>91142215
Slaaneshmas!
https://youtu.be/sqFmt9XYeYo?t=17m48s

>>91142279
>>91140441

>Now a HFY thread
I blame /tg/ for this shit

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Would Bobby find Steven annoying?

>>91142378
If I remember properly, Bobby is pretty down to Earth and understands that Steven is the floatiest fluffball whom he will ever meet.

But I think they'd get along, it's Hank that will be most likely somewhat negative.

And Peggy will argue with Pearl, endlessly, untill they find commen ground after competing with one another,
and luane will go hang with Amy, and Garnet is going to get drunk with the guys, and unfuse because too fucking drunk and give Dale a panic attack.

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>>91142303
>humies being more relevant in SU

Half of SU is humies my man, the problem is that the humies shown with their humie problems are boring as fuck, making them care about the alien monsters trying to chew their legs off every other day might make them more tolerable

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>>91142531
>thinking Connie won't eventually BTFO the entire gem empire by allowing Steven to reach his ultimate form of Stevonnie.

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>>91142531

don't actually watch the show so I can't say anything for sure, but I meant as being more relevant to the main plots in general

like most of the townies might have some side things going for them, but they aren't that connected to the rocks, and even less so to the overarching story

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>>91132657
Would it be reasonable for tanks and jets to exist if there wasn't a major military conflict that caused them to be developed?

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>>91142139
>>91142215
>Discriminating targets

fools.

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>>91134266
Someone has to draw this.

>>91142787
>penicillin doesn't exist in steven universe because WWII never happened

>>91142787
Whatever's convenient for the lazy writers.

>>91142889
>Come on Adolf, you can do anything if your just set your mind to it and BELIEVE

>>91142043
Why does Steven have a walrus flipper instead of a right hand?

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>>91142787
This shit is what happens when people who don't know the world works tries to write an alt-history.

They don't know what role war plays in history with science and technology. They don't even know what normal people do for a living.
It's no surprise that the show is set in a tourist town, it's the only city the could logically write.

>>91142673
I wouldn't mind that becouse as of now the human part of the show and the gem part of the show are like diferent world from diferent stories

Like steven its the only one that can dimension shift into the ghost zone where gems are since they and humans barely interact beyond some passing words, and when they do talk nobody cares anyway

>>91142845
this. everything must die. blood for the blood god skulls for the skull throne

if steven univere's earth is hollow/filled with a gem monster where did all their metals and shit come from?

>>91142941
He needs the power of at least ten walruses to slap that donut lobed groupie in his place.

>>91143129
It's magic, they ain't gotta explain shit.

>>91141568
thats even worse. can you imagine ten thousand different armies attacking you with one goal in mind. it would be near impossible to kill

>>91143182
Fuck you Sucrose.

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>>91143250

>>91132544
....what

>>91137482
This experiment was never done on humans, only rats. And what you're thinking of isn't the pleasure center but the dopamine center which isn't just about pleasure but is essentially the thing that tells your brain to "do this again" regardless of actual motivation.

It's why there are drug addicts who don't even take any pleasure from the drug but feel a need to take it anyway.

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>In SU because the earth is hollow, humans make jewelry by hunting and killing gem monsters then cutting their gems into small bits for jewelry.

Look, I just put more thought into world building than anyone who worked on the show ever did.

>>91143794
One small problem, Frybo.

>>91143794
And it was actually interesting unlike the show.

>>91139973
I think it's an issue of being a push over, and, judging from interviews, it seems to stem from past abusive relationships. It's kind of tragic really.

I used to think Ian J.Q. was the talented showrunner in the background, but I'm starting to think Rebecca was more comfortable asserting herself when he was around (that's not to say Ian isn't based; he probably had a lot of say on things that made the show good).

>>91143936
man, I don't get why they even say that gems can die. Because the gem shards and cluster shows that even when they're busted up they're still living to a degree.

>>91143794
That's retarded because then all jewellery would be sentient

>>91144081
That means they can talk dirty to you when you jerk off.

>>91144010
>Secret Team shows all of those shards writhing around.
>Everyone still believes it's possible to kill a gem.
Unless it's lava or a molecularly deconstructing weapon, or the sun or a black hole, no other way can truly kill a gem.

Inattentive anons perhaps?
Or the "anon who never watched SU" accusation is mostly correct.

>>91136306
In Michael Moorcock's terms would you say she's a bad writer with big ideas or a big writer with bad ideas?

or a just plain bad writer with bad ideas?

>>91144145
Well Pearl does say "we can get hurt and die" in So Many Birthdays

>>91143936
>Gems gets cutted in very small shards for use in rigns and other jewlery
>Becouse they're alive, the jewlery its possessed like it would a normal gem in an object
>But since the shard is so small the rings or bracelets or earings don't jump out of their bodies and start attacking people
>Instead it gives the user magic powers
>Now the setting has morbid jewelery that gives magic powers

>>91144010
it was easier at the time to explain to Steven in simpler terms. cracked and shattered gems who cannot maintain a solid form/singular consciousness may as well be dead. Not sure what was going to happen to Amy with her crack, but Lapis was able to stabilize to an extent.

>>91144145
Amethyst getting shattered wouldn't have been as a big a deal if the show wasn't dishonest about them not actually being able to die.

>>91143953
That sounds horrible, even if she isn't being "bullied", she would still find it hard to express herself, or to assert herself at any time.

Kinda explains her thesis: Singles, and why it is so deeply able to portray grief.

It is by far, one of the few animated shorts that actually stuck the moment I had watched them.

>>91144223
>Not sure what was going to happen to Amy with her crack, but Lapis was able to stabilize to an extent.
which was retarded. Amethyst was fully video game style glitching, but Lapis had static-y eyes and didn't have all her strength ( but could still pull every body of water on earth)

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>>91141271
>>91141481
>>91141532
If this turns out to be an actual twist in the show and the gems were just playing gods, it would redeem a lot of the stupidity of the townies. It would be like the apes playing dumb in Planet of the Apes because they know the truth is damning and futile.

Hell, it even lines up with Biblical creationism, and several gems already exhibit obvious qualities of religious and mythical figures.

>mfw the gems, especially Rose, experimented with organic life and created humans, in their image, to create the one ability they were lacking -- "the ability to grow and change outside of their intended purpose."
>mfw the melting of glaciers caused "Noah's arc", which was just gems trying to preserve their zoo.
>mfw humans witnessing Opal's fusion inspired the Hindu idea that god takes many single forms, and created the imagery for Shiva.
>mfw Lapis Lazuli's intervention in history led her to be seen as Moses, as well as many other gems in general being various belief figures.
>mfw Lucifer's story is just the story of Rose.

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>>91136130
keep the hood safe H
>>91136238
> 2010+7
> Not breaking the conditioning.
oh, anon

Sound like this sugar woman is absolutely inept

>>91144240
No, it would still be horrible, imagine a psyche translating itself into a physical form.

That's the hologram.

Now imagine it split into god knows how many shards, each retaining the slightest part of personality as the whole gem had.

She wouldn't die, she would be split into a million purely instinctive parts that lack the processing power of a whole gem.

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>>91144533
Lapis was fine with a huge crack down her gem

>>91144420
So who the fuck did most of the...you know...THE OLD TESTAMENT!?

>>91144561
That still pisses me off.

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>>91144179
Not him but to me its that she had a lot of ideas but all of those ideas were crammed in the same room, they ran out of oxigen and died

She tried to do so much at the same time all her ideas came out lacking in the end and even then i doubt she could pull most of them off if she didn't tried to throw all her ideas at the same time

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>>91144179
In my opinion she would be a bad writer in the sense that the emotions are too big and don't have enough natural build-up prior to the outburst to warrent the size, however, the execution of said outbursts(visualy, but also the VA, and music styles are well chosen) and the handling afterwards, show that with the right direction, she can crystallise her ideas in a beautiful presentation.
Thus rather the first than the latter.

She just needs not to tone down the sadness, but rather showcase why it happens in the first place, take an arc for the build up, and let the ending be the release, but make it feel human all the way through.

>>91132304

Because it's written by women and blacks and it's common for women and blacks to want gibs and have everything done for them.

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>>91144205
>MY PRECIOUS!

>>91144561
I'm inclined to believe Lapis is a unique case. For some reason Amy did not retreat to her gem. Amy's symptoms were her physical form degrading, but her gemstone did not worsen except that time she hit it again. Lapis presumably stayed in her cracked gem for thousands of years before reforming, so I'm thinking she stabilized.

There's just so much we don't know about the gem physiology/lore. It's really weird seeing people bitch about the writing as if the series has concluded.

I wonder if this was the same for Avatar and GF when they were still airing.

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>>91144420
>Steven universe going full NGE.
Yes.

>>91144420
That has a lot of gaps though.
Lot, Noah, Samson, etc.

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>>91144477
Checked.

>>91144800
Most contradictions and holes can be explained through the stories being rewritten over and over again by priests and scholars with their own agenda. I mean, that's what really happened anyways.

>>91144501
When it comes to running a show yeah, but as an artist and comic writer she's far better. Pug Davis had much more thought put into it than SU's worldbuilding.

It's clear Sugar excels at certain areas but the show's scope is far beyond what she's good at.

>>91144689
>There's just so much we don't know about the gem physiology/lore. It's really weird seeing people bitch about the writing as if the series has concluded.
Because everything about the setting and gem race is dumb from the get go.

>>91144865
>>91143108

>>91132765
What does half of it even add? Is it really that important that New York is now called Empire City? Or other such bs?

>>91141568
Gems aren't even as strong as emus

Rose led the rebellion, and she cared and wanted to protect humans. This could only mean the norm was to not care and protect humans. So if the human population is in constant danger by these weak beings, extremely vulnerable to the single bullet, why are these beings not enslaved second-class citizens by now?

>>91144865
those gems were rape babies, so no regrets

>>91144898
>I don't like the show's setting or characters
so there's no point in discussion

>>91145033
>Gems aren't even as strong as emus
Now I want to see gems involved in the Australian emu war.

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>>91145033
Emus are OP.

>>91145033
Because humans are even more pathetic.

>>91141991
It's that lame cringe-worthy safe and "inoffensive" humour you usually see on tumblr. Not helped by some of the delivery being over-empasized (such as the "Keep Amethyst" joke in Lion's debut episode.)

>>91145136
That is because humanity has not accepted the primordial truth yet.

>>91144865
Source?

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>>91145207
goblin slayer