Will this show kickstar a new era of more mature cartoons? Just

no

cartoons are for kids

>>91084097

Clever bait. This would be a great thread without that last comment clearly meant to be inflammatory.

>>91084097
>Then there's shit like Steven Universe in which most problems are solved via talking, crying, feelings,etc
this is bait, but to answer your question, no, animation won't be influenced by this

Maybe, and I agree with your last point. SU fags need to die out.

>>91084229
antiSUfags need to kill themselves

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If Genndy makes more, yeah sure.
>>91084315
>

>>91084097
>Just Jack's philosophy on why is ok to kill a person that is playing with your and their life is ok.

Except it wasn't.

Once Jack starts bonding with Ashii, he's going to learn that the daughters never had a choice in the first place, let alone a life to call their own.

Rewatch the scene where he's repeating his father's "step away or face your destiny" speech to the daughters. He doesn't really seem to give a fuck if they're genuinely paying attention or not, he's just saying it to further validate and excuse his actions for murdering them.

>>91084229
>>91084315
Stop it you two, like both Jack and SU.

>>91084097
I hope so, but I also doubt it.

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>>91084361
It's not like they were on his throat to kill him, to call it an "excuse".

>>91084097
Why do I even come to this shit site anymore?

>>91084361
This is true, but people are dumb enough to interpret it in other ways.

The Daughters are almost literally children. They clearly have no understanding of the way the world works, they don't even know what's affection.

That said, Jack was cornered. There was no way for him to teach them to think like critical-thinking adults and make their own choices.

So despite Jack saying HIS choices and THEIR choices brought them there, neither of them actually had a choice (well Jack could have chosen to die, but that's not really an argument).

>>91084422
>It's not like they were on his throat to kill him, to call it an "excuse".

Agreed, it was either life or death but he's still ignorant on the matter. It was an excuse to ease his mental state/psyche.

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>>91084097
>Just Jack's philosophy on why is ok to kill a person that is playing with your and their life is ok.

He gave them two chances to walk away. His dad gave his attackers just one.

If you hit him three times, even Buddha will get angry.

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>>91084164
>>91084169
>>91084192
>>91084315

>>91084315
You mean pro-SUtism need to hang themselves. Do it faggot, have the humility and honorable thinking of killing yourself for the betterment of humanity.

>>91084586
listen to ghost jack and commit sudoku immediately

>>91084315
Likewise cock-sucker.

>>91084691
you do it first

>>91084714
Nah, but I see that you're already on it chocking on dick. ;^)

>>91084753
that dick's so far down your throat you need to project i see, here's a better board for you
>>>/hm/

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Samurai jack to replace Steven as /co/'s favorite?

>>91084097
>Will this show kickstar a new era of more mature cartoons?
Doubt it, there's not a big enough market for it.

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>>91084843
>market isn't big enough
>implying

>>91084169
t. /co/mblr

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>>91084796
I see you're talking to yourself now. Here's ghost jack to give (You) your last comfort.

>>91084885 (You)
no, but you've probably got a tab open to trap/gay porn as I type this

listen to ghost jack, commit sudoku

If it's profitable for them, I can see AS looking into other franchises.

>Galactic KND

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>>91084315
And you call OP bait?

>>91084948
yes

>>91084836
Tumblr will linger here forever, the rest of /co/ will move on, so no.

>>91084989
i don't care about tumblr and like SU

website wars are autistic

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>>91084169
Maybe if you cry about it like your hero Steven, that'll fix it.

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>>91084959
>being this dumb
Tumblr sure likes its share of attention.

>>91084315
I think most of them are disappointed fans. The people who are cancer are the ones who never gave it a chance because of Trump or whatever and the people on the other side of the spectrum that apologize for all of it's massive flaws and think that criticizing it in any way is homophobic.

>>91085019
not from tumblr
>>91085023
i'm a bit disappointed in the later episodes too but I'm not a hatefag like these yuppies

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>>91085044
I'm not a hatefag either but I can admit the show has become all but pure shit from Jailbreak onward.

>>91084097
Weak bait, problems don't always resolve by killing someone

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>>91084923
I'll raise you.
The Ignition arc, the whole thing in all of it's glory.
On [as].

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Honestly, I love both SU and SJ, but both sides of this thread can kill yourselves with your autism. Boo hoo, a show is different from another show when it comes to solving problems. I've seen better bait on every single other board. All of you are pathetic at bait, and it's this board's fault for falling for it.

>>91085066
There were plenty of good episodes after Jail Break.
But yeah, season 1 is currently the best season of SU so far.

>>91084097
I like both Jack and SU. Are the shows the same? No. Is that a problem? No.

I don't want every show I watch to be the exact same thing. Also this >>91084493

Lets make this thread more interesting:
SJ season 5 > SU > SJ seasons 1-4

>>91085218
Eh, it's just murderhobos complaining about diplomancers.

>>91084493
Four chances, actually. He disengaged in the battle twice, and waited for them to attack him without pursuing. Both times this was after he'd already killed a daughter or two.

>>91084097
Pffff, no. Btw I hear Seth MaFarlene is gonna get a new Family Guy spin off.

>>91084361
>self defense
>murder
fucking liberals

>>91085218
You. I like you.

>>91085066
SU was never good retard.

Here's hoping Gennedy can infiltrate the US government and get the rights to Sym-Bionic Titan back. Maybe also get the rights to Megas XLR back too.

>>91085286
>Not splitting SU's seasons.

>>91085286
Even SJ's worst episodes are better than anything SU.

>>91085407
>implying SJ has bad episodes
Seriously, why are we comparing the two as if they were similar?

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>>91084097
>Adult Swim starts rebooting classics and original content and make kino after kino
>get so good that Toonami gets an entire channel to themselves

>>91085407
2 girls 1 cup is better than SU.

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>>91085422
>Seriously, why are we comparing the two as if they were similar?

Because the SU are butthurt that they lost their smut spamming general thread at the same time SJ started becoming popular on the board. They are in the meta thread right now asking the mods to intervene and reduce the "spam"

The problem with their logic is the SJ threads are hilariously high quality. Even the SJ meme thread was some top tier content

>>91085432
That will never happen because "muh Tumblr".
Thanks a lot SU.

I'm just glad Adult Swim is finally recobering from the Boston incident. I didn't think they'd ever have success again but they've got a real, solid lineup in the works. If they could get SJ, Venture Bros and Rick and Morty all on at once they might actually be able to compete with the other Saturday night networks.

>>91085472
Or you know, people just don't like SJ threads being spammed.
There's no conspiracy within the SU fandom to overthrow SJ.

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OP here, I'm a Steven Universe fan and I just hate how bad the show has become.

Its just that way too many episodes focos on feelings and emotions and basically shit that can be solved with ''I'm sorry!''

Yes, I know the message behind it, I know what they are going for but just don't need to tell the same ''muh feelings and insecurities!!!!'' for every character! like 20 episodes or more with the same themes, that is just bad writting

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>>91085512
>Rick and Morty

please don't mention that show, it derails every fucking thread. It's to /co/ what naruto is to /a/

>>91085557
Except it hasn't been that way in forever.
In fact, the latest episode had Navy pulling a ruse over Steven big time.

>>91085472
>The problem with their logic is the SJ threads are hilariously high quality. Even the SJ meme thread was some top tier content

FUCKING THIS.

I mean, I'm not going to say that every SJ thread is gold but just like with Star Vs threads, Steven Universe threads are just to talk about shipping and waifu shit.

Specially fucking Star Vs, it makes the thing that the show must be fucking awful

>>91085472
>They

How do you know people who are complaining about the huge amount of SJ spam here at /co/ are SUfags. You might have noticed several folks in this thread like both shows and personally I do too.
I don't get it why people are immediately bothered about this flood, considering how long this show was gone unfinished and now is back for a little while. Although some SJ threads are truly useless and should be posted in an already existing SJ thread. But I feel the same whenever multiple SU threads are made instead of contained in 1 or 2 threads.

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>>91085544
Here's a thought

DON'T FUCKING POST IN THE SJ THREADS IF YOU DON'T WANT TO DISCUSS SJ

How fucking hard is it to just post in threads with topics you want to discuss and ignore the ones you don't want to discuss?

>Mods! I have to look at images I don't want to see in the catalog when I am searching for threads to post in! Please remove them!

The show just fucking came out and did outstandingly well by every metric. Stop bitching about the reasonable consequence of a show being new and high fucking quality with a dose of nostalgia.

>>91084097
Wow i bet you had weird parents.

>>91085558
Does it really matter if this specific thread is derailed?

Should Adult Swim pick up cancelled CN shows (maybe even Nicktoons..)?
This show expresses the potential for reviving shows in limited-runs, animated movies, or even complete continuations of original shows.
We as fans just have to speak our voices out.

>>91085585
>Except it hasn't been that way in forever.

Yes it has been, the space zoo episode sounded like it was going to be action packed and it was like 3 episodes in a row, again, about feelings and crying and even worse, singing.

Even when traveling to the space zoo the episode before was about Steven almost having a breakdown because he was scared and then POOF, it doesn't matter it was nothing! Can't wait to see that episode again!

>>91085594
because only SU fans have the mental disorders necessary to get upset that the cartoon board is discussing a massively popular cartoon

>>91085607
I'm personally not bother by it, but you raise a good point.
People are afraid of everything becoming the next MLP.

>>91085636
SU fans don't give a shit about other popular cartoons.
In fact, they were just as hyped about SJ coming back as anyone else.

>>91085636
>It's a "I don't like a show so everyone watching it must have a mental disorder episode"

Maybe it's time to take a look at yourself bud.

>>91085617
As long as you keep bumping another SJ thread it's all good. :^)

>>91085677
the problem is that people who don't like SJ don't come into SJ threads and post about it, they instead bitch that they think something is "too popular"

>>91084361
Okay, he was just supposed to suicide by altruism, we get it.

>>91084097
Steven's themes apply to situations you'll find yourself in slightly more often than Jack's.

Both are mature by western animation standards. SU's theme of empathizing even with people you don't like is one that people really need right now, and unfortunately one it's fanbase likes to ignore.

>>91085635
>the space zoo episode sounded like it was going to be action packed
It was never implied to be like that.
The fact that you expect SU to be action packed means you're looking at the wrong show.

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>>91085693
>Both are mature by western animation standards.

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>>91085557
You clearly don't watch the show at all and just jumping the SU bandwagon if you seriously think everything's resolved by emotions. What? Do you think Malachite was defeated by crying? No, her ass was beaten by Alexandrite. Same goes to Jasper getting heavily beaten to a pulp by the power of fusion. Twice. You're still acting pathetic, OP. Try again.

>>91085675
True, /sug/ was dead as fuck and even there, "Whip it out, babe" was posted fervently after Jack's first [as] episode ended.

>>91085706
What was that pic supposed to prove?

>>91085693
Unlinke OP, this is true bait.

>>91085729
How?

>>91084097
>Then there's shit like Steven Universe in which most problems are solved via talking, crying, feelings,etc which is just talking down to children
Its not and you kinda have to bait harder then this.

>>91085701
>The fact that you expect SU to be action packed means you're looking at the wrong show.

FUCK YOU.

Watch episode one, they solved that shit with fighting not with feelings, that was just a SMALL part of it.

The show just became a parody of itself and the people working behind are just not that good at writting.

>>91085691
But that still doesn't proof all SUfags do this. Actually the last few days there were many bait threads bashing on SU compared to SJ. There's no need for that either yet people do it. However that doesn't mean because one SJ or SU fag makes bait threads like that, the whole fandom is to blame.

>>91084361
>be hunted down by murderous girl-looking robots
>Try to escape and destroy one of the robots
>The robot is actually human !! Shit !!
>Barely escape but get a knife wound in the process
>Somehow managed to heal but still pretty weakened
>That and is getting remorse for previously killing one of the girls
>Maybe could have subdued her
>Maybe could have talked my way out of it
>If only I had my sword...

>They are back
>Let's try to talk
>Give them a chance to get away
>They want me dead
>I cannot run away forever
>They are very skilled fighters
>I cannot hold back
>Me or them

Sure, that ain't a good thing to do.
It's not even a healthy mindset in a civilized context
But if your back is against the wall, you cannot be burdened with half-measures.
There will be time for remorses and doubt but only if you survive.

>>91085713
Not OP but I miss SU's fight scenes.

>>91085761
>Watch episode one, they solved that shit with fighting not with feelings, that was just a SMALL part of it.
>The show just became a parody of itself and the people working behind are just not that good at writting.
So did you forget about the Malachite fight or the Jasper fight?

>>91085746
Pretty ironic how you're replying to a post accusing you of baiting while he's "succesfully" baiting himself. You better just ignore it mate.

>>91085713
>Do you think Malachite was defeated by crying?

Emotions played a part on that and it was a bad episode and arc, the cluster thing too and that shit was also solved with emotions and they were building up that shit for like 20 episodes.

And both problems got solved without effort, plans, let alone fucking consequences.

Shiiiiiet, they even befriended both problems! Its just bad writting!

>>91085792
The Jasper v Smoky fight was awfully...convenient.

And as per standard /co/ guidliends SUfags swarm another thread, no matter how much it gets spammed.

>>91085761
So did you forget how most of the episode was just Steven trying to figure out his powers?
Sugar herself even said it was an SoL show with some action with it.

>>91085720
terrible animation standards, Steven looks like a different human in every pic

>>91085792
The Jasper fight was ok, the Malachite fight was a fight but it was also the result of bad writting.

>have a treat
>make a big deal about in tons of episodes
>main character literally has nightmares about it multiple episodes.
>gets solved in one single episode via punching their enemy really hard without plans or consequences

>>91085816
>The OP mentions SU in his post
>Why are there SU fans in this thread?
One day, you won't have SU to pin this board's problems on.

>>91085826
>Sugar herself even said it was an SoL show with some action with it.

Sorry I don't give a shit about shit that happens outside the show.

If your show can't speak for itself and all the problems should be ignored because the autor said some shit outside the how, then the show is just not good.

Most adds for the show, games and shit focus on the fact that the Gems know how to fight, have weapons, Steven's shield, etc

The show is not being sold a slice of life like Clarence is

>>91085840
>terrible animation standards
We were talking about the writing, not the animation.

>>91085472
>>91085593
>Because the SU are butthurt that they lost their smut spamming general
No. Eveyone is used to not have general when the show is on hiatus
>They are in the meta thread right now asking the mods to intervene and reduce the "spam"

Not the SU fan. I can said with almost 100% certainty that all Su fans love SJ.

>The problem with their logic is the SJ threads are hilariously high quality. Even the SJ meme thread was some top tier content
Not something any SU fan would complain about here.

I can assure you that almost none of the SU fan are complaining about any SJ threads.

>>91085636
I can assure you none of the SU fans complain about that.

>>91085840
Yeah, because the strengths of animation as a medium is that characters look the same in every situation right? I'm not going to defend every single off model scene in SU, it can get pretty bad. But the idea that a character needs to look exactly the same in every scene they're in is praising lazy techniques. Characters in Family Guy look the same in every scene, does that make Family Guy a better cartoon than Steven Universe? Not to mention that animation isn't even what he was discussing, he was talking about narrative.

>>91085877
>We were talking about the writing, not the animation.

And I'm talking about the pic like the retard anon asked you idiot.

Also bad animation is a reflection of bad writting too

>>91085906
>I can assure you that almost none of the SU fan are complaining about any SJ threads.

ANON board, statements like those are stupid

>>91085761
>>91085873
I think you're just expecting the show to go on one direction and we're upset that it wasn't the creator's intention.

>>91085945
>Yeah, because the strengths of animation as a medium is that characters look the same in every situation right?

This is a animated series on a mainstream cable channel, we are expecting better than this.

There is characters looking the same on a boring way like Family Guy and there is ANIMATION MISTAKES on the level of SU, characters changing size from one episode to the other, from one scene to the other, there is just no excuse for that. Specially not with digital animation

>>91085950
>Also bad animation is a reflection of bad writting too
Since when?

>>91085987
SU doesn't use digital animation; it's hand drawn.

>>91085906
Agreed.
I hate /sug/ though, I don't care if Jack gets spammed, just so long as it doesn't turn into a smut filled hell without discussion, like /sug/.

>>91085950
>And I'm talking about the pic like the retard anon asked you idiot.
That still doesn't explain what that has to do with the subject at hand.

>>91086032
At best, I can see the SJ threads turning into smut filled hell with excellent discussion.
Thank god for a regular schedule though.

>>91086032
>just so long as it doesn't turn into a smut filled hell without discussion, like /sug/
And how.

>>91085873
Wow, advertising lied.
That's never happened before.

>>91085973

Clearly the creators changed the direction of the show thanks to tumblr fans or some shit.

Is just fucking ridiculous to see a town full of adults being outsmarted and outmatured by an 8 year old kid.

Or even worse, having all these ideas about alien monsters invading Earh, warriors protecting us, betraying their alien planet etc. just to have most episodes being about ''be polite! respecting feelings is a must! Crying is ok!''

Imagine a comic starring Judge Dredd wearing his uniform, guns, etc and make the whole thing about how sorry he is that he made fun of someones hair and that someone started crying.

I have followed the show since it started and the show has lost its way, its just not subtle at all and too many Pearl and Amathist episodes in which they act like really horrible people but we are meant to like them anyway.

>wanting to murder a baby? forgiven!
>Kevin wanting to date Stevonnie and acting smug during a race? HITLER!

>>91084865
It really isn't when the best example right now took over ten years to be made.

Will i be held back from the new show by not watching the original series? I know the basic premise, but i've not watched all the way through it before

>>91086032
>I don't care if Jack gets spammed, just so long as it doesn't turn into a smut filled hell without discussion
Are you ignoring the Fujoshit thread on the front page completely?

>>91084097
>Will this show kickstar a new era of more mature cartoons?
I hope so

I'm tired of this libtard shit in media being forced down everyones throats. I dont want my kids growing up watching shit like Stephen Universe.

>>91085987
Again, I'm not here to defend every time SU went off model, sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't. But as a whole animation is one of the looser mediums. The way a character is feeling or acting can be reflected by the way they are drawn. And that is one of the benefits of animation. For example, Steven's conversation with Lapis is a deep personal conversation so by drawing him more detailed it signifies the severity of the situation. On the opposite end of the spectrum, Steven as a waiter is from a much lighter episode and so a more simplified, exaggerated approach is called for. So long as you're not mistaking characters for other characters then it's ok to play fast and loose with the model sheet depending on the scene.

>>91086074
>Clearly the creators changed the direction of the show thanks to tumblr fans or some shit.
Yes, because Tumblr is responsible for everything bad that befalls a show.

>>91086023
>SU doesn't use digital animation;

1-Handrawn in a computer is still digital animation.
2-Even if that were the case, they are not making a good job, handdrawn animation its meant to look BETTER not worse and lazier

>>91086071

Only BAD shows lie on their adds to trick people in to watching them

>>91086114
>Stephen Universe.
Your not tricking anyone misha.

>>91086061
But those are just Jack threads, a general is concentrated...I don't even have a word for it it's that disgusting.

>>91086065
By forcing Jack into a general, pray this doesn't happen.

>>91086114
>/pol/

>>91086125
>Yes, because Tumblr is responsible for everything bad that befalls a show.

Bee and Puppycock got fucked over thanks to Tumblr fans wanting a different design. Its a fact.

Also its no secret that most of the audience are also tumblr users

>>91086131
>Only BAD shows lie on their adds to trick people in to watching them
Shows don't make the ads you retard.
Marketing sectors of the network who never interact with the show are responsible for lying.

>>91086162
>Bee and Puppycock got fucked over thanks to Tumblr fans wanting a different design. Its a fact.
If it's a fact, I'm sure you can provide a source.

>>91086162
>Bee and Puppycock got fucked over thanks to Tumblr fans wanting a different design.
First I've ever heard of this. I thought it was Natsha making a stupid decision.

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>>91084097
Samurai...

>>91086162
>Also its no secret that most of the audience are also tumblr users
There are plenty of Tumblr users who are fans of Samurai Jack.
By that logic, SJ panders to tumblr.

>>91085325
No one is saying that Jack was just suppose to let them kill him. Of course he had to defend himself. People are just pointing out that Jack tries to rationalize killing them by saying they deserved it because of their choices. However when you're trained and brainwashed from birth to the point that you know almost nothing about the would outside your cave and your own mother savagely had her minions beat you if you disobeyed, it's hard to say that they had any real choice.

>>91086173
>Shows don't make the ads you retard.

What I meant is that ads only have the need to lie when your show can't stand on its own.

And if you are going to tell me that after going out of her way to create/steal action elements for a show, that the show is not about that at all?

Rebeca Sugar is a hack then

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>>91084097

Wew lad, that's some nice b8. I'll bite.

Most likely no, we've had times in the past when people tried to make cartoons popular for a more adult audience and almost every time they have failed. With the exception of the SitCom Cartoon format that the Simpsons started (South Park, Cleveland Show, Family guy, ect) there have been almost no successful mature cartoons. Ralph Bakshi wasn't heavily successful, and the only other exception I can think of is Drawn Together, which went downhill and was then cancelled (fittingly, for a parody of reality shows DESU).

The unlikely possibility is that it will, but I somehow doubt it. We've seen attempts to popularize adult animation so many times and every time it always either becomes edgelord garbage, ultra-offensive college-age meme trash, or gets dumbed down to kid-tier.

Will France save us with the new, adult wakfu Season 3? Find out at 8/7c.

>>91086094
Watch a few episodes. The first three episodes are a must. Definely watch scotsman's episodes, the jump good episode, the sam moo rai episode, the minions of set, there's one on Jack finding his abandoned homeland, Jack and haunted house. Jack vs The Guardian. Aku's fairytale at the end bc it's only hilarious if you watch other episodes beforehand.

>>91086220
What is this? Wild hunt makes me think its a witcher comic but those look nothing like the book designs nor the game designs of the wild hunt.

>>91086233
>going out of her way to create/steal action elements for a show
>Steal
??????????? Are you talking about the Utena reference in season 2?

>>91086217
>. I thought it was Natsha making a stupid decision.

Based on tumblr complains

>>91086224
>There are plenty of Tumblr users who are fans of Samurai Jack.

No because the Adult Swim audience doesn't fit with tumblr.

Most people watching Jack don't use tumblr the way Tumblerinas do and you know what I mean, don't play retard

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>>91085607
>The show just fucking came out and did outstandingly well by every metric.
http://www.showbuzzdaily.com/articles/showbuzzdailys-top-150-saturday-cable-originals-network-finals-3-11-2017.html

Only 1.5M people watched the first episode.

>>91086233
>What I meant is that ads only have the need to lie when your show can't stand on its own.
Ads lie no matter what in order to maximize potential viewership.
The fact that SU is still popular despite not being a clear cut action show shows that this is unnecessary; but hey, TV executives and marketers are stupid and behind the times.

>>91084315

SU is a trash show that is only popular with teenagers and college students because it is a bunch of fags sitting around crying. It's transformers, updated for the modern post-gender era, and it should be nuked from orbit. So much potential, wasted. I would even hate it if it were at least consistent, but I really don't give a fuck about watching Steven sit around and cry or be an asshole or whatever, I want to see gems get shattered by the dozens in high-definition, high quality animation. Unfortunately, this will never happen.

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>Gennedy uses his newfound success with SJ to push unfinished projects
>yfw

>>91086284
>because it is a bunch of fags sitting around crying
nope

>>91086284
Yup, anti SU fags are cancer.

>>91086273
>>Steal
>??????????? Are you talking about the Utena reference in season 2?

I'm talking about everything, Peridot being a copy of Invader Zim, Lapis being a stolen design, fusion dance literally, ''Congratulations!'' from evangelion, etc.

TOO MANY elements are just stolen from other shit

>>91086275
Can I get a source on this claim?
>>91086276
>Being number 2 on cable with """"""""only"""""""" 1.5 Million is bad
Only on /co/. this is like when people said SU was dying because it was only in the top 20 for cable ratings.

>>91086275
>No because the Adult Swim audience doesn't fit with tumblr.
Durr, I like SJ so therefore it cannot associated with what I don't like.

>don't play retard
Anon, you are the only retard here.

>>91086276
>Only 1.5M people watched the first episode.

For adult swim standards, that's a great number, they care more about I-tunes downloads and all that compared with the rest of the channel/channels.

Samurai Jack has being a HUGE succes so far.

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>>91086244
The Wild Hunt comes for Jack!

>>91086309
>What is a homage?

>>91086228
It's not like the daughters and aishi matter in the grand scheme of things anyway. If Ashi does help Jack complete his goal of going back to the past her and her sisters will have never have existed in the first place once Aku is killed. ashi would be basically helping her own erasure.

>>91086282
>Ads lie no matter what in order to maximize potential viewership.

Not true, there were no lies about the show's content for Dexter's Lab, Johnny Bravo, etc.

Only SU was sold as an action comedic show to actually be about feelings and going to church ( only thing missing honestly )

>>91086302
>Yup, anti SU fags are handsome.

fixed

>>91086244
...you know that the wild hunt is like an iron or bronze age myth, right?

>>91085472

Can we please just get rid of shippers and waifu spammers? Please? Every single franchise, it's the same shit. Star vs and SU are both almost entirely waifu containment threads, and now that Jack x Ashii is a thing all these people have come here.

Are you all 17 year old girls and twink boys? Oh wait, you are, you fucking Tumblrite scum. Holy shit, I want Tumblr to leave so badly.

>>91086233
>>91086309
>there was a scene in SJ that played out like in My Neighbor Totoro
>the rest of SJ is nothing like Totoro
Not only is Genndy a hack, he's a thief.

>>91086360
>>What is a homage?
Not what they do in Steven Universe, tracing animation from other shit is not an omage, is called STEALING.

Also when most of your shit is filled with ''homages'' your shit is not good to stand on its own

>>91086389
No I did not. My introduction to them was in the witcher books.

>>91086372
>Not true
So ads for movies have never lied before?
Okay then.

>>91086395
>>there was a scene in SJ that played out like in My Neighbor Totoro

Did they traced the scene like they did in SU? No? ok.
>>91086395
>>the rest of SJ is nothing like Totoro

Was that part of ALL THE ADS for the show?

>>91086429
>traced
Source.

>>91086360
Subjective. The line between loving homage and lazy plagiarism isn't exactly well defined.

>>91086275
>No because the Adult Swim audience doesn't fit with tumblr.
So let's just ignore the fact that Rick and Morty has a huge and thriving fanbase on Tumblr.

>>91086422
>So ads for movies have never lied before?

Is your argument that is ok that the ads for Steven Universe are LYING because other ads lie too?

1-You are stupid.
2-Ads from other Cartoon Networks shows don't lie.
3.You are really really stupid.

>>91086400
Oh. Yeah, it's actually a pretty old European myth. You'll find it in a lot of settings that do 'wild' or 'creepy' elves and fairies. Warhammer Fantasy (the real one, before Age of Sigmar) had the Wood Elves do the wild hunt yearly.

>>91086329
>>91086434
He has no source.

>>91086443

There is a huge different between having a tumblr account than being a tumblerina and you know it.

But like most tumblerinas, you are just goint play dumb

>>91086466
Is there any essential wild hunt myths I should check out? its a cool Idea.

>>91086462
>Is your argument that is ok that the ads for Steven Universe are LYING because other ads lie too?
I never said that. You're the one triggered over CN's advertising of a show you don't like.

The reality is SU has had mutiple ads over the years; some action-y, some coemedic, even some dramatic ones.
Since each thing has been incorporated into the show, it's not really lying.

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>>91086276

>>91086469
>>91086434
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/a1/0a/27/a10a273a52712b40e8c8ef477690fc20.jpg

Of course that the Steven Universe shots look more stiff and with less life than the original, but there it is

inbefore ''it doesn't look a 100% similar! Clearly not a copy!'' of course that you can't pull that off with those shitty SU designs, for animation those just don't work at all

>>91086511
The wikipedia article is actually a decent jumping-off point: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wild_Hunt

>>91086539
>I never said that.
Then why bring a point that you don't agree with multiple times, you retard?

Because you were saying that but now that you were called out on how that's bullshit you pretend that it was not the case

>>91086578
What are you on about?
Seriously, are you off your meds?

>>91086539
>Since each thing has been incorporated into the show, it's not really lying.

Its lying because the show stopped being about action a while ago and the comedy is just not good enough and clearly not the main attraction either, not even the slice of life elements there anymore.

Steven pretending to be a wrestler, a robot that tells people's fortune, dealing with two restaurant owners fighting by making a third restaurant that is BETTER at everything they do is not Slice of life because Slice of life is meant to be realistic, shit that happens to regular people like American Spldendor or fucking Clarence.

SU is not slice of life at all

>>91086548
Actually as a huge fan of Utena the Pearl jump was better animated meanwhile the Pearl stab wasn't as good as the original Utena one.
Also its still an Homage lol. If you want to say that's copying then we have to take the SJ "good bad and the ugly" scene as a rip off too.

>>91086548
>never stopped to think that was a deliberate homage
>especially considering that Sugar explicitly states that Utena was an inspiration for SU
>just uses the chance to take potshots at SU's artstyle and design

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>>91084948
Porn when?

>>91086611

The equivalent of ''lol, you are so wrong that I'm not even going to point out of you are wrong, I'm just going to act smug about it, I win!'' non arguments that tumblerinas on their knees use.

>>91086662
>It's lying because it doesn't personally appeal to me.

>>91086662
>Slice of life is meant to be realistic
Nigga the most popular slice of life shows currently are about a magical Park filled with animal girls and the other one is about a lesbian taking care of fat dragons.

>>91086695
>implying he ever acted smug
The fact that you keep throwing around buzzwords like Tumblr proves you don't have a strong argument either.

>>91086664
>Actually as a huge fan of Utena the Pearl jump was better animated

I have seen both and no, it wasn't. More frames doesn't mean better specially with terrible models like those.

The original sequence was created with characters with human proportions on mind, do that shit with stick figures like SU and you lost all the weight of the movements.

>>91086675
>>never stopped to think that was a deliberate homage

Stealing a complete scene is not a homage, is just staling a complete scene.

Specially bad when every other scene is a reference to something, every detail in the background is ''lol, remember this video games/anime?'', etc

>>91086749
>Stealing a complete scene is not a homage, is just staling a complete scene.
I'm pretty sure someone mentioned the Totoro homage in Samurai Jack.

>>91086749
They didn't steal the whole scene. Pearl did not crotch on the ground shouting as the power of dios descended from the upside down castle forming into her body, after an Anthy proxy kissed her blade, also Pearl stabbed the robot not slide past her appearing on the other side, flick her sword towards the ground as a rose fell to pieces.
For someone who seems to "have seen both" you don't know much about Utena.

>>91086749
>do that shit with stick figures like SU
Pearl isn't an AT character.

>>91086720
>Nigga the most popular slice of life shows currently are about a magical Park filled with animal girls

Those are not slice of life then, those are shows about magical girls.

Slice of life is about normal people, about 99% of things being shit that could happen.

Hey Arnold and Clarence for example.

>>91086729
>>implying he ever acted smug

He acted like a retard throwing shit when he ran out of arguments I can tell you that much

>Posts opinion on subject.
>lol, are you off your meds? XD ;D

>>91086811
>Those are not slice of life then, those are shows about magical girls.
No. Stop talking about shit you don't know about.

>>91086680
Since even before the show was on the air.

>>91086792
>I'm pretty sure someone mentioned the Totoro homage in Samurai Jack.

Difference being that Samurai Jack is not making anime or video games every other scene.

Then there is the Kindergarden in SU which STOLE the creepy looks from a Junji Ito story and that was a really important element for SU.

Its not the fact that they use references alone, its the fact that they use big concepts from other shit like fusion dancing and they turned into important elements for the show

Get your SUG out of my SJNAG

>>91086811
>Posts opinion on subject.
>lol, are you off your meds? XD ;D
Because getting autistic over advertising in a cartoon and accusing anyone who disagrees with you of being a tumblrina is someone of sound mind.

What is apparent to me is that you have a huge hateboner for SU and are trying to justify it anyway you can.
That's pretty sad, especially when you could be talking about something you do like, like Samurai Jack.

>>91086867
Is this a JOJO reference?

>>91086810
>Pearl isn't an AT character.
her arms and legs are too skinny and more often than not they are just noodles
>>91086835
>>Those are not slice of life then, those are shows about magical girls.
>No.

Finally we agree that they are NO slice of life shows.

''Slice of life as a term has two distinct but overlapping meanings. In theatrical parlance, it refers to a very realistic depiction of everyday experiences''

Magical anything or stupid plots like ''Yes I just so happen to be a better cook than two grown ups that made cooking their life, what of it?'' are not slife of life since those scenarios would only happen in cartoons

>>91086811
>Themes usually range from teen coming-of-age, interpersonal relationships, family, romance, to fantasy and science fiction. A common trait in slice of life anime and manga is their emphasis on seasonality or procedures.

>>91086857
>Difference being that Samurai Jack is not making anime or video games every other scene.
Wasn't there also a homage to The Good, The Bad and The Ugly in SJ.
In fact, isn't Jack just one big homage to films by directors like Akira Kurosawa?

>>91086881
>What is apparent to me is that you have a huge hateboner for SU

No, I used to like the show and now I just hate that it has become a fucking joke about people crying and having important character development in the form of songs.

Terrible terrible embarrasing songs

>>91086911
And were talking about Slice of Life Cartoons
>>91086919

>>91086939
So you hate was in the show from the very begining?

>>91086911
>and more often than not they are just noodles
Incorrect.

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>>91084097
>action cartoon that is clearly simple enough for kids to undertstand
>mature
/co/ really needs to stop with this shitty meme while they ignore cartoons that are actually aimed at adults

>the Ann Frank Ari Folman announcement got 1 thread with about 20 replies, half of them being jew jokes

Keep bumping these threads SUcucks!

>>91086987
>SUcucks
Is the hatebase really that lacking in self awareness?

>>91086979
>the Ann Frank Ari Folman announcement
OY VEY

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>>91086927
>Wasn't there also a homage to The Good, The Bad and The Ugly in SJ.
>In fact, isn't Jack just one big homage to films by directors like Akira Kurosawa?

Similar elements are one thing.

Samurais with swords have been done tons of times, people with guns too.

Shit like the fusion dance, the Jinju Ito thing, or tracing the Uthena scene, etc are just stealing really specific shit.

Not homages, that shit is ''I like that and I'm going to literally use that in my story''

>>91084097
Is this a Samurai Jack thread or just a thinly veiled excuse to shit on SU?

>>91086997
Yes.

>>91086857
>Then there is the Kindergarden in SU which STOLE the creepy looks from a Junji Ito story and that was a really important element for SU.
Aside from one reference, the Kindergarten and the Junji Ito holes are nothing alike.

>>91087030
Little of both.

>>91086963
>So you hate was in the show from the very begining?

No because the show stated decent, action, subtle talks about feelings, the singing was mostly done by Steven which made sense and not used often.

Then they cranked all that shit to 11 to the point that they explain the motivations of one of the main bad guys with a song.

And, again, the songs have gotten so bad ''Its over, isn't it??? x20''

>>91087065
>the singing was mostly done by Steven which made sense and not used often.
Pearl sang back in Coach Steven, which was a season 1 episode.

>>91087025
So when SU does a homage it's stealing.
But when SJ does a homage, it's just similarities?

Or are you really going to say that The Good, The Bad and The Ugly was just "guys with guns"?

>>91087065
>hating on It's Over, Isn't It?
>hating on Deedee Magno's singing period
Shit taste.

>>91087025
>tracing the Uthena scene,
Im still waiting on a source on this. The source you gave me in fact was proof it could not be traced due to the different angles of approach Pearl and Utena made during the lunge on top of all the difference between the sequencing within the stab.
>Holes in wall
they serve completely different purposes in the story it at best is a haggard homage if not just a strange similarity.
>Fusion dance
Once again its in the realm of homage.

>>91087065
Pearl sang season 1.
>It's over isn't it is bad
Shit taste.

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>>91084097
>Just Jack's philosophy on why is ok to kill a person that is playing with your and their life is ok.

Life is ever sacred, but Sincerity and Intent are key:

https://youtu.be/izesw6cFVCo?t=3931

All else is just gravy.

>>91087065
You do realize that Sugar casting a pop singer and a Broadway actress in the main roles wasn't just a coincidence.

SU was always supposed to be a musical show.

>>91087125
Not him but the only thing in common was the song and the implications that someone might die (A thing that could happen in any action show) besides there was nothing else, it wasnt a stand off if that's what you're impliying

Its not the same than tracing an entire scene, that shit is in poor taste, the rest of the similarities i don't have a problem with, but that's just me

>>91087159
>>91087191
Not that anon but, FOR FUCKS SAKE! GET OVER IT PEARL!
>Doesn't care about the MILLIONS of gems that were shattered, corrupted, or turned into the cluster.
>Only cares about the one female who cucked her and held dark secrets from her.

>>91087241
As some anons pointed out, it's impossible for that scene to be traced.

>>91084315
>(you)
Your show is shut and you are assmad

>>91086285
this please

>>91087265
your autocorrect fucked you up you stupid phonefag.

>>91087249
To be fair, it's explained that Pearls are little more than decorations, learning to live for eithers.
The one person who told her she could be more than just that, combined with the fact that Gems don't keep track of time, left a few scars.

>>91087092
>Pearl sang back in Coach Steven, which was a season 1 episode.
MOSTLY donde by Steven

>>91087125
>So when SU does a homage it's stealing.
>But when SJ does a homage, it's just similarities?

Yes because Samurai Jack just used a character that kinda looked like ''blondie'' from that movie.

While Steven Universe stole a visual and really original idea from Junji Ito >>91087025

>>91087057

Yes, those are just holes shaped with human like forms in a mountain.

But beyond being the same thing, they are not the same thing!

>>91087159
>>hating on It's Over, Isn't It?
>>hating on Deedee Magno's singing period

I don't know who that is, probably some has been from Broadway/who gives a shit.

>>91087173
>Im still waiting on a source on this.

You are playing dumb, the source is there and if you think that is not the case that it was traced you are just stupid and that's it.

>>91087218
>You do realize that Sugar casting a pop singer and a Broadway actress in the main roles wasn't just a coincidence.

BAD singers anon, Garnet singing sounds laughable and Pear is nothing special. But that's not the point

The point being that songs are bad and overused and really corny

>>91087291
And what of the others who suffered and still are suffering just so she could be free?

>>91087344
Just give me the source showing someone on the show tracing animations from Utena. It should be easy since you are so sure a scene shot from a different direction and angle is a trace job.

>>91087291

Pearl is a piece of shit character if the point of her character is anything than ''she is a bad person''

All I know about Pearl is that she wanted to kill a baby.

Amathist turning into Steven's death mom to antagonise Steven's dad was also horrible and really bad writting too since it was forgoten with ''oops, sorry about that!''

>>91087377

Again, stop playing retard anon.

Bringing random goalposts ''or it didn't happen!!!'' its not going to take away from the fact that the Uthena scene was traced.

And even if it wasn't literally traced, they still stole the whole sequence and even similar music

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>>91085860
By the time that day comes, we'll all be in FEMA camps anyway.

>>91087415
>random goalposts
YOU said traced all I want is proof that it is traced. I'm not moving any goal posts just asking for proof on your claims.

>91087415
Is it you again, paid shitposter?

Oh yeah, SJ (WATCH OUT!) for this one guy who actually gets paid with every (you).

>>91087344
>Garnet singing sounds laughable and Pear is nothing special.
Wow, you're taste really is shit.

>>91087435

Keep playing retard all you want then.

The proof is there

>>91087477
>The proof is there
Then show it to me.

>>91087344
Are you retarded or do you not see that didn't steal from Ito at all?
Again, the Kindergarten doesn't have the same function.

>>91087344
>Garnet singing sounds laughable and Pear is nothing special

Not that guy but Garnet's problem is that shes given both shit songs AND songs not meant for the voice, like, if you put a tradicional opera singer and told her to sing the leatest Kesha song, its not going to sound well

Pearl is just fine

>>91087344
>I don't know who that is
It's Pearl's VA.
That's obvious to anyone with Google.

...Are you sure you've seen this show?

>>91087503
>Are you retarded or do you not see that didn't steal from Ito at all?

It doesn't have the same function, I never claimed that it did.

But that's a really specific visual idea, they even have a shot of Amethist getting into one of those holes and her fitting just right.

It was STOLEN from Junji Ito.

That would be like saying that Zero from Megaman doesn't have a Star Wars light saber just because its not the same thing in universe.

Like no fucking shit its not the same lightsaber that jedis use/its not the same mountain from Ito's story, but they are the same visual concept

>>91085706
>>91085720
>eye to nose with blue(might be standing on something)
>eye to groin
>eye to breast

>shorter than fridge and his head is the same size as his body
>needs stool and is 2 heads high
>clearly taller than table and 2.5 heads

>>91087415
>and even similar music
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8p935gFtBsE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1LsNmHNQSWY
If these sound similar to you, you should tack a music theory class or something.

>>91087599
>It doesn't have the same function, I never claimed that it did.
>>91087344
>they stole a visual and a really great idea from Junji Ito
"Really great idea" implies the idea behind the fault lines and the Kindergarten are the same.

>>91087573
I don't care about learning anything about the voice actors unless there's really something about their work.

Pearl does a fine job but its nothing special or memorable, she sounds like so many characters with that ''I'm really educated and polite'' accent

>>91085773
it's almost as if internally conflicted characters are more interesting than characters who never change and arnt challenged on their own morals

>>91087603
So what does that have to with maturity?

>>91087638
You should at least who voiced who in the show.

>>91087671
>by western animation standards
wasnt attacking maturity
was attacking animation

>>91087634
>"Really great idea"

I saif REALLY ORIGINAL IDEA and VISUALLY ORIGINAL IDEA and that's what SU stole

The really original visually different idea of human like being coming or getting out of creepy holes in a mountain.


If you are implying that after all the fuckiog references that SU uses this is not the same case, you, like others, are just playing retard.

''Korra was always meant to end with Asami! There is no proof that it was not the case so that makes it the case!''

>>91087638
Are you talking about her "voice" or the actual acting?
Because according to /co/, how well you voice act depends on how many voices you can do, rather than giving you a good performance.

>>91087698
>VISUALLY ORIGINAL IDEA
Ito himself stated he got the idea of the holes from ant mounts.

>>91087689
That I get.
What did that have to do with the conversation at hand?

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>>91087647
>>91085773
Keep in mind, he was also going to let them live and leave even though he knew that they knew that he didn't have the sword anymore and that they could potentially rat him out to Aku.

The man's moral high ground is at an altitude so high that he risks passing out from lack of oxygen.

>>91087698
So when people ask for a source and you can't provide one, they're the retard?

>>91087682
>You should

No, that's not important.

Its important that they are making a good job, but beyond that HAVING to know their names and backgrounds is what a fanboy would do.

Being a SANE fan of things I don't think that I HAVE to know about things outside the show, I believe that the show should speak for itself and that shit should not be explained in interviews at comicon or that I have to learn about the crew, etc.

Don't hold people to your stanrds, asshole. That's why you don't have friends.

>>91087754
>Don't hold people to your stanrds, asshole. That's why you don't have friends.
The projection here is so hard, I feel like I'm at the movies.

>>91087698
I like how you attack people for "moving Goalposts" but you have changed your wording from Rip off to references as soon as you started losing ground.

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>>91084097
Don't count on it.

Cartoons are still 'for children' and besides that assumption mostly made by tumblr-tier leftist types that try to put as much of their cuddly handling of themes into the art.

Enjoy the few pearls that you find, they are far and few between

>>91087754
>Being a SANE fan of things I don't think that I HAVE to know about things outside the show
So being an autist, throwing buzzwords at people who don't agree with you and derailing entire threads to center around you is considered sane fan behavior?

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This was the only true dickish thing Jack did this episode. Didn't offer to help her or ask for surrender in spite of her very vulnerable position. But who could blame the guy? They wrecked his bike, destroyed his weapons, shredded his clothes, nearly gutted him, hunted him for days with murderous intent, and refused his offer of simply walking away. Plus, it was undeniably funny.

>>91087718
>Ito himself stated he got the idea of the holes from ant mounts.

Holes from ant mounts and human shaped holes are too different, that's what people call INSPIRATION. He didn't stole that from a cave painted by Fred Flinstone, he came up with the idea after seeing something kind of similar to his final idea that nobody else had made.

>>91087752

Yes because not everything can be solved with a wikipedia link, sometimes you have to use your head and realise obvious shit like The Simpsons Skateboarding shit stealing the whole concept from the Tony Hawk games.

You probably may not find a intweview with the creator of the Simpsons games saying that they got the idea from that, but again, you don't need it because its blatantly obvious.

Specially since its not the first time that people steal from Tony Hawk/ that SU steals ideas from other things

Characters fusing via dancing and literally calling it fusion dance

>>91087817
>made by tumblr-tier leftist types that try to put as much of their cuddly handling of themes into the art.
It's amazing how animation has had to two different perceptions, neither of them good.

>>91087825
>So being an autist, throwing buzzwords at people who don't agree with you and derailing entire threads to center around you is considered sane fan behavior?
Yes. A person not doing that ever would be weird.

>>91087817
Why isn't that right leaning people no longer work in animation besides Genndy?
Now there's just libtards like Craig McCracken, Lauren Faust, Alex Hirsch and Rebecca Sugar.

>>91087881
Reminder Genndy helped Sugar get SU on the air.

>>91087831
>This was the only true dickish thing Jack did this episode. Didn't offer to help her or ask for surrender in spite of her very vulnerable position.

He gave them too many chances by that point. It wasn't their fault that they were raised to kill, but they were and here they are, killing. Why do inocent lives have to pay? They are not willing to stop.

>>91087890
No he didn't.
He actually hates SU.

>>91084488
No it wasn't. He literally gave them a chance to walk away when he said "I don't think I made myself clear"

If this isn't any indication that he wanted them to value their own lives more than his death and their refusal meant they had no interest in sparing him then you have to be a blatant autist

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>>91087899
Read the rest of my post, man. Nice dubs btw.

>>91087831
I'd say it was pretty obvious at that point that she wouldn't accept his mercy. Or at least she'd just turn right back around and try to stab him as soon as she was safe. Jack made the only real choice available to him.

>>91087909
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt3327506/fullcredits/
Do a little search there for Genndy.

>>91087940
>Using IMDB as a source.
It's not like anyone can edit that site.

>>91087936
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEQOL2PUEOU

This is how Jack is going to won Ashi's heart.

>>91087909
>>91087940
>>91087966
he helped on the pilot episode

he was a timing director

>SJ
>SU
>SJW
Just a crazy thought coming through.

SJ proved that 22 minute formula should be mandatory in episodic formula, which SU seriously needs.

>>91088240
I definitely agree on that. SU has some excellent 11 minute episodes, but boy there are a lot more episodes than that proofing it needed to be longer.

>>91087817
It doesn't help that cartoons look like Samurai Jack, poorly drawn Yogi Bear cartoons that only are good for making you laugh and are incapable of evoking any serious emotions.

>>91088007
>implying jack will win ashi's heart
>implying the ending isn't aku acknowledging his feelings for jack and turning good

>>91088240
True as fuck. The 11 minute formula is stifling.

>>91088240
It's just a shame that Samurai Jack has always wasted its 22 minutes with padding.

>>91085023
>people on the other side of the spectrum
I see what you did there

>>91087729
no idea
gravity falls will always be better than SU

>>91088555
They both has completely wasted seasons but SU has a chance to stick its landing unlike Gravity Falls.

>>91087831
>girl yelling about wanting you dead while her life is literally in your hands

>>91088602
the only thing gravity falls didnt stick was stan getting his memory back
even set up that treasure hunt

>>91088749
Nah.

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>>91084097
The only problem was Jack's speech actually couldn't have had any effect. Because his opponents never had any choice to begin with.

Every thought of retreat or any other possible course of action beyond killing Jack was beat out of them from the start of their lives. For them retreating and death was the same. So they as could have tried to kill him. At least this way they had a chance to live.

>>91088829
Good. Fuck em.

>>91087914
Only for them walking away was same as death. To deny mother? To deny "Aku's will"?

They never knew anything else. They didn't even know about deer. Yeah, they may be great fighters but their mental development is at best at teen level. And probably not even that.

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>watching the newest episode
>'oh, i know how this is gonna shake out, we're gonna see one daughter get killed per episode and then have 2 eps to tie everything up'
>mfw not 5 minutes later, jack starts dropping them like flies

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>>91088377
>Samurai Jack has always wasted its 22 minutes with padding.

No, the show is almost perfect to be honest, I can't remember a single bad episode.

Even a lame sounding premise like turning Jack into a rooster or him looking for new sandals turn out to be incredible episodes!

One could even argue that this scene was made to pander a little towards trans people since the heels were the best weapon and it wasn't fucking annoying like something from... other cartoons...

>>91085066
>a children drawing of a muslim girl
>a green lepruchan with sunglasses
>and a broken neck water siren

whats not to love from this show

>>91089099
It didn't took him much to kill one in a mano a mano fight

Jack has no way of knowing anything about the Daughters' upbringings. To him, they're just more in a long line of Aku's minions trying to kill him. Why should he care any more about them because they can bleed? He made the right decision in this ep.

Also, riddle me this: Plenty of the robots Jack killed, especially in the later part of the OG series, were fully sentient. So was Scaramoush. They might not have been human, but they were unquestionably alive. Is doing the same thing to a human who poses much more of a threat really that bad?

>>91085066
the character design looks really bad or is it just me?

Lapis looks bad

>>91089166
yeah, I guess his moral conflict made me forget that he's still exceptionally good at murdering things

>>91089142
Perfectly shit.

>walk
>walk
>walk
>montage
>montage
>shit fight scene
>hey maybe we can have some character development or story progression or anything that would make this not another mindless forgettable episode?
>sure, how much time is in left in the episode?
>about 3 secon-
>WATCHAGOTTAGETBACK

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Does anyone have the autistic shrieking webm?

>>91089169
>He made the right decision in this ep.
On that there is no debate.

It's just that his speech had much less of an impact with audience knowing the upbringing of Daughter's.

>>91088240
I would say that Adventure Time and Regular Show both disprove you there, but now that I think about it both of those shows' best episodes were plot arcs that took way more than 11 minutes combined.

>>91089213
Yeah, true. It definitely did a 180 impact-wise from what the episode teaser implied. I thought it was far more interesting this way, actually. I agree with the post towards the top that says it was mostly a way for Jack to validate his own actions, but I don't agree with how the poster characterized that as a bad thing.

>>91089208
this much autismo and missing the point on the story about how such a simple problem can affect your life, trying new things and learning a little bit about japanese culture near the end with a really satysfying ending that was not about the fight, it was about overcoming the problem with patience and effort.

What a great episode! Anf the montage, holy shit that was fun and creative!

Anyone have the list of good original Jack episodes? Or just reccomendations on their own? I've only seen the last one on season 4, and the first episodes.

>>91084097
>Violence is the only practical way to solve problems, words are for pussies.

Jeez jimmy are you sure your teacher is okay with you using the computer lab to be this edgy.

>>91089208
>waah waah where's the exposition and the fast paced story for my ADHD mind? this isn't like my other gen z cartoons!
Sounds like you're the problem here m8.

>>91088240
>SJ proved that 22 minute formula should be mandatory in episodic formula,

Nah, they are just not that good at writting drama and characters, to them good drama is characters literally telling the audience their emotions word by word.

11 minutes is fine if you know how to tell the story well, the Samurai Jack episode with the 3 stories worked and they had even less time per story.

Adventure Time has really good ones like the Cycle of life, or the one with Finn building a tower to space or hell, regular show in lots of episodes, introducing new concepts and doing a lot with them to the point that you don't think that they needed 22 minutes.

>>91089379
Where's any story? Samurai Jack is no characters, set pieces, and badly choregraphed action. If I wanted that, Michael Bay still makes movies.

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>>91088240
The only reason SU needs a 22 minute formula is because ever since Ian J.Q. left, the episodes don't have direction for shit except on the occasions Rebecca steps in to do her fucking job. It would just be a way for compensating for the really inconsistent and overly libertarian storyboarding process they have over in that studio.

For real though, thinking of SU just reminds me of how good that last quarter of season 1 was vs how much of a joke it's become now. The show should have never gotten the exposure or funding it has now -- it should have gotten just enough attention for 2-3 seasons so the show runners would be forced to fix everything neatly.

While we're on the subject of criticism, let's not leave Samurai Jack out of this. I never got the hype for seasons 1-4 of Samurai Jack beyond feeling nostalgic for its tight directing, sound design, and action scenes. Samurai Jack, to me, was (mostly) a style over substance show that tried to convey genre tropes to kids with very little subversion of expectations. It was an introduction to themes you'd usually see in by-the-books action, crime, and historical flicks. Of course, there were exceptions like A Tale of X-9 and Jack and the Bounty Hunters, but most episodes had incredibly simplistic writing because it was aimed for kids and it was entertaining enough on its visual and sound design alone. That makes it fucking boring for older viewers who want a more complex story though.

Season 5's Mad Max approach is fucking great though, and the increased in demand for serialized TV has really let the visual storytelling shine beyond "fight for glory and honor LOL." I really do hope the new SJ has some net effect on the industry, because I feel like it's currently displaying the best balance between stylistic presentation and complex storytelling, unlike either its preceding seasons or SU which lie too far on either end of the spectrum respectively.

Also, the less meme shows like pic related, the better.

>>91089321
Jack and the Zombies.

The birth of evil.

Jack learns to jump good or something.

Jack's sandals.

The 3000 and 1

Jack vs the ninja

Jack vs the 5

Jack becomes a rooster or something.

>>91089415
>Samurai Jack is no characters, set pieces
Well, there's plenty of one-shot characters and different sets and worlds per episode so this is incorrect.
>and badly choregraphed action
Alright, I gotta admit that the action was kind of lackluster when the show was just starting but it improved quickly through time and it's definitely competent now.

>>91089415
here is your (you)

>>91089573
>Alright, I gotta admit that the action was kind of lackluster when the show was just starting

Jack killing that army of scarabs was nothing short of brilliant. And that was episode 2.

>>91087749
They would have been in deep shit - as they'd have to go through channels just to get to Aku (who could care less about them). I mean he's a primordial demon shogun from the ether - he's not taking appointments and he seems very reclusive.

Their fanatical mother would probably chastise them for not killing Jack when they cornered him and would have been disgusted that they ran away. Remember her order to "never relent"?

So they too made a choice - either go home to the shame and punishment of the mother whom they feared with the limited chance of spreading intelligence or fight jack and return with his head.

>>91089620
>I am entertained by speedlines and "shing" sound effects

>>91087881

What would make you think that Genndy is right leaning?

>>91086369
>will have never have existed in the first place once Aku is killed.
Unless it follows alt timeline rules and they still exist within that timeline. Just that current Jack will never see it again.

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>>91089415

>>91087881
i would tell you to kill yourself, but you're probably too stupid to do that right

>>91089778
Sorry I said the truth about your favorite show. Don't cry.

>>91087881
It wouldn't surprised me if Genndy is right-leaning considering his parents defected from the USSR, but if you sincerely believe that political ideology is tied to someone's competency at an artistic skill or correlates to someone's disillusionment of over-idealistic worldviews, you're a fucking retard. Not all liberals are coddled millenials, and not all conservatives are "redpilled" realists. Get off /pol/, go outside, and breathe some fresh air and talk to real people.

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>>91087909
>genndy says he doesnt like the state of animation,therefore he hates SU
hes making an entry in the SU art book.If he hated he could have just say no.

>>91089989
besides, it's not like genndy doesn't have ample reason to hate the state of animation. he's had more than one really good show axed before its time for bullshit reasons.

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>>91084315
>shitty animation
>shitty artstyle
>shitty plot
>shitty SJW shit
>shitty intro
its shit man

>>91089989
>>91090047
Besides personal reasons, I always thought that statement was regarded more towards the animation process itself. Cartoons can't experiment with style as much as they used to because simple CalArts-style drawings and arbitrated software-assisted animation has become the go-to production method to maximize show revenue. In Genndy's time, people were making shows that looked and sounded vastly different from each other because the production process was more open-ended, albeit costly and difficult.

>>91090105
Genndy doesn't think so.

>>91089398

Superjail is a top-tier show with a standard 11-minute format.

>>91090105
You just described Samurai Jack.

>>91090124
he can think anything he wants, SU is shit

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>>91090138
Ok nigga no. Delete this.

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Genndy John Wick cartoon fucking when

>>91089743
Samurai Jack is sort of a reactionary show. It values violence as a way of solving problems, traditional power structures(Jack is literally a prince who literally says in EP1 that he's fighting for his birthright), ancient traditions over modernity, etc.

Don't take this as some kind of limp-dick critical theory bullshit, I think that it's good that Samurai Jack is reactionary, especially when most other cartoons go out of their way to be politically very liberal.

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>>91090182
John wick, and a cartoon with good gunplay generally, would be very hard to make for a number of reasons. Hell John Wick stands out in action movies in being one of the few movies since Heat that actually looks like anyone on set had had proper fire arms training while making the gunplay exciting, so exciting you sometimes are sad its ending because you have to see a fist fight (traditionally the more exciting of the two).

>>91090114
same
honestly if someone says he doesnt like cartoons nowadays,that doesnt mean its because of the most popular show right now.specially if its someone whos working in the industry.
i doubt genndy is a fan of any show right now but the whole "genndy hating SU" meme is reaching.