Why does /co/ hate Steven Universe? It's a very good show

Speaking just for myself, I can't stand a single character on the show. I find them all unlikable. Though I find Gumball likable so...

>>91083327
Its initial charm has faded away over the course of the last two season or so, and a lot of people have been left unsatisfied with the direction of the plot and a lot of characterization.
As someone who started out really liking it, it's becoming harder and harder to look past the shows flaws, and I can't help but find myself uninterested and skipping through most episodes.

Weak bait, but I'll bite.

I enjoyed it for what it was. A cute/charming slice-of-life with some interesting magical elements. Certainly not a masterpiece, but if you're willing to look past it's flaws you'll find a show with a lot of heart. It's lost it's way past season one I'm afraid.

>>91083372
While I haven't skipped any episodes yet, I agree that the flaws have gotten harder to ignore over time.

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>>91083327
I like Steven Universe, but to be honest, most of the stuff SU excels at MLP does better.
Star VS would be a better example of a show that realizes the potential of not being oriented towards literal kids.

>>91083327
forced drama, constant forced drama. Plus the constant singing and crying make me cringe everytime.

>>91083327
I don't hate it, I just stopped watching because of all the crying and singing.

>>91083439
>I like Steven Universe, but to be honest, most of the stuff SU excels at MLP does better.
I actually kind of think what SU wants to do Star Vs does better. The slice of life magical stuff, human with powers living in magical world, the magical world interfering with her human side, the build up of a villain that actually KNOWS she damn exists, etc.

>>91083372
But it's pretty much this.

The show seems to pride itself on continuity and character development but everyone goes through the exact same arc over and over again. I don't know how many episodes we need about how Amy feels like trash.

The pacing is also terrible. There's suppose to be a sense of progression with the arcs and Homeworld development but it gets abruptly interrupted by bouts of townies. It's almost confusing. Like, every gem that YD has sent to Earth disappears or tells her to fuck off. How does she not find this concerning? Like, it's been maybe 50 episodes since her introduction and she still has never physically seen Steven or his gem.

Plot potential and plot execution has gotten more boring I feel. Like, when Steven turns into a baby, I was expecting a couple of funny scenes of the gang trying to do their normal routine while Steven was also a baby. Like the Gems would be fighting a monster and demand that Steven not miss any training because it's vital so Greg stands by the side rocking him while going, "Look at the monster, Steven! Wow, that's uh, is this really what you fight every day?". Instead Connie just gives a lecture and he turns back.

Or Connie and the Crystal Gems. I wanted to see Connie, Lapis, and Peridot actually save the town. Instead, it's a damn car wash. It doesn't even feel like slice of life anymore, it feels like diary comics.

>>91083327
Because /co/ is full of contrarians who want to shit on whatever is popular

>>91083631
>Or Connie and the Crystal Gems. I wanted to see Connie, Lapis, and Peridot actually save the town. Instead, it's a damn car wash.
Right? That was such a wasted opportunity to do something legitimately interesting with a bunch of characters who've either stagnated or completely regressed since their initial appearance.

>>91083327
>Shitty Protagonist
>Boring characters
>art style

>>91083731
>SU
>popular

on tumblr maybe

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>>91083327
Stopped caring, slowly not really liking any character enough to keep watching. Show's not going in a direction I like, the little inklings of homeworld are so few and far between, and it seems like it takes even longer due to CN's ass backwards scheduling plus the fact that when they decide to air a chunk of new episodes, they all get leaked the next day anyways. I honestly can't see how anyone can keep being anticipated. This almost is the cartoon equivalent of how a lot of webcomics update.

>>91083327
Because muh tumblr

>>91083327
>goat animation
Someone show that pic of Steven changing size every episode.

>>91083862
SU has always been tumblr TAS, a cartoon made by and for tumblr only, but lately tumblr has been distancing from it

>>91083327
Because /co/ is full of soulless pricks who must always hate anything that is popular or good.

>>91083327
Because you make the same bait thread day in and day out.

>Tumblr audience
>Actual poor writing/plot development in favor of giving tumblr fans what they want because muh shekels
>/pol/ hating Sugar because of everything that makes Sugar Sugar.
>Lesbians that aren't hot
>"progressive" fat characters
>Promotes pacifism at first glance (but ultimately subverts the idea as the story progresses)
>Ridiculous cameo appearances that cannot be repeated because of terrible marketing.

So many tumblrina buyfags would be grabbing toys and jewelry left and right if they just made them.

>>91084033
>lately tumblr has been distancing from it

Because Tumblr is finally starting to realize it's embarassing to be fucking Tumblr and the entire thing is imploding on itself. I hope they at least have the sense to delete their accounts before the stupid shit they post finds it's way to the archives.

I actually enjoyed the show during S1. It was a comfy show about a hybrid abomination and his alien caretakers going on adventures to fight monsters and look for artifacts.

Then everything changed in S2. Everyone became emotionally retarded, the townies became completely abhorrent, and by S3 every new character was just a walking meme. Not to mention the fact that the show started to drag on and the monster fighting became a thing of the past.

>>91083961
Everyone has seen it.

If SU has ANYTHING going for it right now, the animation would be the last thing I'd nominate. It's atrocious.

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> It's a very good show with good characters with good character development.
yes

> It also has GOAT animation
no

>and sound
yes

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>>91083327
>It also has GOAT animation
Good one OP you should be a comedian

>>91084125
At this rate, western animation will fall into the same pit hole of anime, kidnapped by a vocal fanbase of nerds and forced to pander to them, but with social justice instead of waifu faggotry. Fortunately they aren't making overpriced merchandise for the obsesive fan-market, yet...

>>91083327
We can't like something for long without turning on it. Especially something with female characters. It's the same reason most of us are virgins/not in LTRs. Because we hate ourselves and that hate eventually poisons everything we love.

>>91084239
The character development is pretty shit. Pearl is the only character to have a decently written character arc. Garnet has had none, Steven fluctuates between various levels of retardation, Lapis has been stagnant in the barn for far too long and Peridot is a meme now. Amethyst actually did get some development, but I didn't enjoy it. I get it, you hate yourself.

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>>91083327
sorry kiddo, steven universe is just a bad show

>>91083327
>unlikable brian griffin tier characters
>autistic plot
>filled makes up half of the show
>god awful animation
Just off the top of my head. Now kill yourself faggot

>>91083327
>Why does /co/ hate Steven Universe?
I honestly think it's shitposters, like in a thread about another show someone will shit on it while using SU images.

>>91083327
oh its this thread again

>>91084328
>I get it, you hate yourself.

she no longer does tho'

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>>91083327
/co/ tends to despise shows with bad animation. Add in a story with numerous plot holes that is dragging its feet, the inability to write SoL anymore, bad VA and music, and the fan base and you pretty much have a show justifiable to hate. It's basically to /co/ what naruto is to /a/

>>91083327
>It also has GOAT animation and sound.

Someone post the webm

>>91083327
this is falseflagging, right? Pretty sure this exact picture was used many years ago to mock the new character designs.

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>>91084438
Not him but Pearl's character is terrible. Once you remove her obsession with Steven's dead mom and being the mother that is... I don't know rule abiding? There is nothing else there.

Also I'd like to bring up the plot hole that she refers to herself as Pearl. The whole point of the resistance was to fight back against the strict culture and caste system of Homeworld. Pearl hates the fact that she was born a Pearl, just a servant. She wants the individuality more than possibly anymore else.

Now the first problem is that she basically became Rose's servant. Her Pearl like obsession with Rose (which was never a good relationship considering it was one way and obsessive) is completely opposite of what her character should stand for. If the story made that an element and addressed it it would be fine, great even. But it doesn't. It's ignored.

Second, why the fuck does she still go by the name "Pearl"? Why wouldn't she take a name for herself instead of holding the caste system title homeworld gives to all pearls?

Also pic related the animation in this show is trash. I know outsourcing work results in a job in quality but holy shit

>>91084033
>but lately tumblr has been distancing from it

I love the fact that even tumblr can't stand Steven and the headcanon is that the 14 year old should-be-in-high-school protagonist has either downs or hard core autism

>>91083327
>It's a very good show with good characters with good character development. It also has GOAT animation and sound.
Don't lie to me boy

>>91084651
TLA was outsourced to Korea and the animation was good though.

Shitty animation and art style, characters and "plot" meant for faggots.

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>>91084699
Great exception to the rule. SU is riddled with mistakes that heavily imply the animators lack even the fundamentals of animation. Forgetting to draw the gems on the gems, switching cloths in the middle of a scene, people and objects teleporting between camera cuts because they can't remember where they are supposed to be, forgetting modifications to characters like pic related a black eye

I mean holy shit go back and watch the Garnet vs Jasper fight. Garnet breaks Jasper's visor halfway through the fight. But the entire fight has the visor broken.

>>91084780
It is artistic freedom you fascist!

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>>91084726
>"plot" meant for faggots

I hated the show from the first scene.
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3eZia96N7c

Look at that shit. The store owners are genuinely confused and concerned for Steven while he is having an episode. Lars even looks sympathetic like he regrets teasing Steven too far.

Then when he gets back to his house he almost gets his face ripped off by a centipede monsters that can spit acid and the gems nonchalantly remark that they'll get them out of his room. And then he remarks that the monsters "aren't so bad". There is empathy and then there is such much empathy that you have a legitimate mental/emotional disorder

>>91084867
same here, when I saw this I knew this was made for a specific audience in mind. Kids will watch everything but when that fat little fuck started singing about the sandwich I wanted to know who in their mind found this funny or good.
Look SU has a good premise, good ideas, but holy shit the execution was bad. Forced drama and the slice of life crap, even the songs sounded like that avant-garde shit which soundedicated terrible.

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>>91083327
>GOAT animation

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>>91085296
Don't forget the sexualization. Can't believe the fans try to defend this shit.

>>91085333
I watch the show and I don't defend it, and I still wonder "How did they get away with this?" as a question that will never be answered.

>>91085442
See I'd be fine if they just defended it but instead most SU fans deny it's existence when it's blatant as hell.

>>91083327
1. it's ugly

2. it's boring

3. a lot of the characters are annoying

4. its fans won't shut the fuck up about it

Too many fillers
No new Gems OR Fusions since the Zoo crap
character designs goes completely off-model ALL THE TIME

Someone post shrinking Peridot picture please.

>>91084651
Not an excuse SJ is outsourced to Korea, the reason why it looks like shit is because of the amateurish skill of the crew with shitters like Lamar and Zuke who don't know how to properly compose a scene.

>>91083327
>GOAT animation
I know you're baiting but there are people who actually think that SU has good animation and it makes me want to fucking kill myself

I couldnt get over the voice acting to know if the show is good or not

everyone sounds like such a cunt, anything they said was grating enough for me to switch channels

Because /co/ hates women and tumblr, which are the two biggest groups that like the show.

Hell, they only like Star Vs. because they get to see a woman suffer the same friendzoning they do.

>>91085333
Since when does /co/ hate sexualization? Who let you faggots out?

>>91085866
/co/ hates sexualization when it's done to homosexual and ugly characters

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>>91085560
>your pokemon adventure starts now

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>>91085896
You're joking right? Sinestro isn't even attractive to me, but the Hal/Sinestro homo threads are hot.

/co/ lives to sexualize homos.

>>91084163
Much of the criticism coming from tumblr is that the show is not "woke" enough (for example for daring to portray """""black coded""""" characters as negative or showing Greg's brother as not so bad a person).
that's like the opposite of starting to realize how embarrassing they are.

>>91085998
Sinestro is far from ugly tho

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>>91085863
>projecting this hard

>>91085998
Are you retarded? Sinestro is hot as fuck.

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>>91086014
>>91086127
I really can't find a single attractive picture of him on google images.

He's really not that attractive in the ongoing Hal Jordan book either. He has a weird ayylmao face and disgusting facial hair.

Give me some hot, canon Sinestro pictures then.

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>>91086127
>>91086014
>/co/ finds this attractive
*breathes in*
HAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHH

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>season 1 episodes

>steven doing normal human things
>OH SHIT MONSTERS
>Steven fights the monsters, saving the day

>gems and steven go on a mission to gem made ruins
>a few action sequences, maybe a monster
>Steven learns a lesson about being warrior or gem history

>Nu-SU episodes
>characters have emotional problems
>there's no jokes
>nobody uses any powers
>there's more crying
>everything that happened was inconsequential anyway.

I watch it and even I don't think it's a good show.
It's pretty much shit.
A lot of the anti-SU stuff is just /pol/tards who've identified it as a symbol for all their boogeymen at once as opposed to just a shitty show by a white weeb.

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>>91084381
no, fuck you. the show is legit awful now

>>91086240
>>91086139
I don't what else to tell you. You're just wrong and in the minority here.

>>91086428
>That one Garnet pic in the fanart folder.
Caught your interest I presume?

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>>91086498
So you unironically find this attractive then? That's all I want to know.

I'm not even cherrypicking, he's just one ugly motherfucker

>>91086517
is it lewd?

>>91085998
where is this pic from?

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>>91086517
>>91086553

>>91086589
oh my

>>91086553
Very.

And I'm not going to post the coloured version either.
A shame there isn't a translated version though.

>>91084867
yeah same

>>91086589
She sez:
"Are you faggot going to wash your literally shitty ass or eat your fucking food OR MAYBE FUCKING RAPE ME RIGHT HERE RIGHT NOW WITH YOUR FUCKING FAILURE OF A COCK"
The last part is implied, though, and I might be a bit off on some details.

>>91086874
Very funny.

>>91086924
Thank you.

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>>91086532
That's the face of an angel my dude.

>>91083327

it´s always Steve, his alien babysitters, and Greg in few episodes.
Other townsfolk dont exist, you see streets of that city are always empty?

>>91083439
(tiny "reeeeee" muffled in the background)

>>91086351
This.

>>91086327
Steven does autistic human things

>>91086351
The thing is, the boogeyman thing is true IF you actually give a shit about making sure every single child grows up to be a straight white-collar good goy with 6 kids that all go to sex-exclusive boarding schools and go to church on Sunday. Even though they themselves are unwashed assholes who LARP as nazis after they jerk off to thicc and feet.

Those of us who aren't brainwashed, socially retarded hopelessly despondent idealists, can see that the show falls short of being preachy at least in the beginning and falls victim to retarded tumblr fanservice halfway through because really how was that supposed to be avoided? Were competent, politically centrist people flocking to join the Crewniverse before the spots were taken by weeaboo genderfluids?

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>>91084651
>Not him but Pearl's character is terrible. Once you remove her obsession with Steven's dead mom and being the mother that is... I don't know rule abiding? There is nothing else there.

not really, you can see she tries her best at the shit she does despite being outside of her "purpose" as a pearl, things like engineering and fighting

the fact she still acts a lot like a normal pearl is a character flaw, its done on purpose, this is why she is always doing chores, this is why she moves with so much elegance, she is afterall an expensive toy

this also explains, atleast in part, her obsession with Rose, not being able to completely ignore her nature as a Pearl made her obsess over Rose as if she was her owner

>>91083327
>Why does /co/ hate Steven Universe?

Cause Tumblr likes it.

>>91086008
Huh, I didn't realize it was possible to be that stupid.

So, what the fuck are they supposed to watch?

>>91088476
Tumblr hates SU

>>91086351
this desu

>>91088499
wtf i like SU now

>>91088446
The gems are technically AI, so it's possible to assume their personality is programmed to stay within certain parameters. Like how Amethyst had no experience on HW, wandered around Earth for hundreds of years in isolation, and still turned out to be scrappy and has a dudebro, off-duty soldier sort of personality going on.

Pearl might be programmed for extreme dedication and loyalty even if she has the autonomy to choose who she is loyal to. And she feels especially lost without anyone to respect and obey, like a dog would after it's owner died.

>>91084371
That's the first time I've heard Brian Griffin tier used as a phrase and it works so well. Will remember to use that from now on.

>>91088516
Sugar is also lowkey redpilled as fuck and the most recent episode was about refugees being evil

>>91088499
This is true. There are numerous SU fans on tumblr that have been turning against the show as of late; They've been making "SU critical" blogs all over the damn place.

>>91088772
I can tell Sugar wanted to subtly redpill some of the tumblr audience but can't or won't tard wrangle the people working for her because it's risky to even consider criticizing these "people"

So she's being taken for a ride at this point until the show gets cancelled prematurely and risks losing everything she worked for if she were to establish creative control again.

>>91088772
"Homosexuality and gender fluidity are the last stand of white identity"

-Rebecca "unironic Richard Spencer" Sugar

>>91084651
>If the story made that an element and addressed it it would be fine, great even. But it doesn't. It's ignored.

Except it's not.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgseUOceeok

It's her major character flaw but it's not like she still rigidly a standard Pearl. She taught herself on disciplines that regular Pearls would never do and she likes to take charge in many situations.

>Second, why the fuck does she still go by the name "Pearl"? Why wouldn't she take a name for herself instead of holding the caste system title homeworld gives to all pearls?

It's not a title, she literally has a pearl as her stone.

>>91088803
>They've been making "SU critical" blogs all over the damn place.

Just goes to show you can't even depend on these people to support something you do even if you are throwing gold stars at them just for watching. They will find ANY reason to paint themselves or other people as victims for attention. There's no reason to even acknowledge their existence at the cost of actual plot development.

>>91088803
>They've been making "SU critical" blogs all over the damn place.
Let me guess. They mostly pertain to SU not having enough Nymphomancers or trannies with vitiligo, right?

>>91088907
Kinda. I see them calling things racist a lot.

>>91088772
>refugees being evil

I think the whole point of that episode can be summarized by "Don't trust people sometimes" since it's for children in the US, which doesn't import immigrants by the dozens just to look good on the books.

>>91088803

But that's becouse tumblr eats their own, that's nothing new

>>91088907
Pretty much. They complain that the 'black coded' gems either aren't on screen enough or act like niggers when they are, and that butch gems are too aggressive.

>>91088939
>Bismuth is "racist" because a black woman voices her and she is an "antagonist" (way to miss the entire fucking point btw)
>connie is "racist" because her mother is a doctor, because shittons of Indian people are only allowed to be doctors in real life, not in fiction
>amethyst is "racist" because someone's headcanon assigns her a Mexican heritage (she is from space) and she ate a burrito.

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>>91084125
>>/pol/ hating Sugar
but /pol/ likes SU, for different reasons...

>and that butch gems are too aggressive
Dykes are very fucking aggressive.
>They complain that the 'black coded' gems either aren't on screen enough or act like niggers
>black
>act like niggers
These people can't handle reality, it seems.

>>91088958
Coded is a gross racist idea within itself.
This character "acts" and "looks" black. Like what closed mind person says that and thick it sounds like a reasonable thing.

>>91088907
A lot of them are triggered because Jasper is a big gem 4 u and portrayed as aggressive and abusive.

Which is completely retarded because Lapis is tiny and pretty and was equally abusive, if not moreseo

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>>91088958
>aren't on screen enough
>garnet isn't black coded though, she's anglo just listen to her voice

>>91089069
The mental gymnastics these people go through must be exhausting

>>91089040
meant for
>>91088958

>>91089064
It's retarded because they had the balls to portray a domestic abusive lesbian relationship in a kid's show, probably because it's something that people actually have to fucking deal with in real life. Not that the muddled allegory isn't lost in the fact that they're not human, "don't have genders" and can literally merge bodies to become a powerful godlike being more than the sum of their parts instead of fingerfuck each other and drink bubble tea or whatever

>>91083731
>anybody who doesn't like what I like is a contrarian REEEEEE-

Nigga I've watched all the episodes this show had to offer, including Rocknaldo, and I'm sick as fuck from the massively downgraded quality it has in everything.

Popular and interesting fusions like Opal and Sugilite only appeared in two episodes each, and they only spoke in one of their two deserved episodes and never appeared again because Sugar is a massive moron for hiring celebrities as voice actresses.

It promises story lore, but it always stuffs a dozen of Townie episodes in-between because the writers need to preach about irrelevant shit that does nothing but drag out fillers. It promises character development, but all it does is have them repeat their development arcs over and over again, extremely flanderize their characters, shoehorn other characters and place them on pedestals, and have crying scenes in literally almost every episode since Rose's Scabbard.

Garnet used to be a cool and responsible mama bear, now she's Fusion the Character because it's always about Ruby & Sapphire anytime the spotlight is on her. Amy used to be the gross but chill older sister with charisma, now she's just a self-hating slob who had three arcs about how worthless she is. Pearl used to be the protective yet loving mother to take care of Steven instead of Rose, now she's just a walking river of tears whose MUH ROSE complex is so strong that she had dozens of episodes about it and is attracted to a woman just because she barely resembles Rose. Connie used to be an intelligent yet insecure and socially awkward child who finally found a friend who's looking past her awkward nature, now she's placed on a pedestal about how she's the most capable character in almost everything and how she can never do anything wrong even after breaking a kid's arm, and she's basically shoved into the lore about how useless Steven is without her. (1/2)

>>91089069
Are they that dumb?
Garnet is voiced by a black British woman.
Or at least was when Garnet still had lines.

It's like saying African Americans are coded, because otherwise they'd be talking in clicks.

>>91089125
>The complexity of these characters has come to the surface and I dislike that
They are still the same characters at their core they are just more complex now.

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>>91089128
>Or at least was when Garnet still had lines
I'm sad about how true this is

>>91089204
>they are just more complex now.
Not him, but come the fuck off it, mate.

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>>91089204
>more complex now.

There is a difference between flanderized (or completely regressed) characters and developed ones anon.

>>91089238
>>91089258
And SU has developed characters. The only ones you could even come close to saying are flanderized are peridot and lapis, and I fully blame that on Zuke.

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>>91089204
>more complex
Nigga I still love SU but come on

>>91089226
Estelle is another celebrity cameo, technically. If the show tanks any harder it won't be surprising if she just leaves.

>>91089303
>If the show tanks any harder
Its been getting bad ratings?

>>91089005
checkmate shitlord, amethyst was grown on earth

>>91089303
She's really good friends with Sugar, they've been friends for years so I don't see that happening

>>91089293
>The only ones you could even come close to saying are flanderized are peridot and lapis, and I fully blame that on Zuke.

Maybe you're just dumb because everybody else can spot inconsistent shit writing when they see it. You might as well have been in the same boat as Zuke and shot a hole in it anyway.

>>91089320
Its in the top 20 cable shows consistently its mostly doom saying by crazies and haters, but it has dropped in viewer ship.

>>91089125
(2/2) Continuation.

Steven used to be a cheerful and friendly yet naive boy who had a curiosity for knowledge you'd naturally find in kids his age, now he's just a crybaby 2nd incarnation of Jesus who is always right, always the voice of reason, always preaching the morals, and always having the story coddle to his beliefs instead of challenging it outside of Bismuth. Lapis used to be an emotionally scarred gem who had trust issues until Steven opened up to her with friendliness, now she's just a messy-haired nihilist who's practically playing "artsy lesbian roommates" with Peridot. Peridot used to be a tech-savvy dork with insecurities, now she's just the show's green meme machine.

Greg Universe and Uncle Andy Brutananadilewski are the only good characters in the entire show, because unlike other interesting characters, they didn't get poofed and bubbled to be dealt with two season later.

>>91089204
>"flanderization of a character just makes them more complex!"

You're a goddamn moron.

>>91089359
It would be doing even better if it weren't for the leaks. And it's basically MLP 2.0, kids don't like it so the only fans are pirating the show.

>>91088958

I think that all of the race discourse is dumb as shit and their just looking for something to complain about. But I have to agree that the show does treat the Pearl/Lapis/Peridot trio too well in comparison to the other characters. They are usually the gems to get the most screen time, focus, and free passes for their behavior (excluding Peridot). I can see why people complain about the treatment of butch characters.

when does show even air? I rarely ever see it.

>>91089406

*they're

>>91089417
Whenever Cartoon Network feels like it

>>91089322
Yeah, but her dad is a giant drill built by aliens, so she's only half earthling.

>>91089417
inbetween episodes of teen titans go

>>91089320
Ratings and actual discussion being had on the show are different.

"Ratings" aren't a real way to gauge whether or not something is good, it's why the new Beauty and the Beast movie has a 71% rating, only intellectually dishonest losers try to push muh ratings whenever something they like is terrible because it's basically paid approval. It's become like the award shows.

>>91089430
>>91089449
Sounds about right.

>>91089456
Are you retarded?

>>91083327
>it WAS a good show when they used to travel to different places and do different action stuff
*fixed it for you

>>91084371

Loser.

>>91089406
>I can see why people complain about the treatment of butch characters.

>Peridot's/Amethyst's personality are more or less genderless (or autistic)
>Not considered "butch"
>Jasper, Bismuth are swole and aggressive
>No no no butch characters can't be portrayed this way reeee

>>91089417
Right after TTG. So, never.

>>91089495
Are you just stalling to think of an actually substantial reply as to why I'm wrong? If I answer this question, will it be followed by an explanation as to why you asked, fucking moron?

>>91089385
>Character retains old characterization while adding new ones being added (with the new ones coming up slightly more often due to wanting to expound upon them by the writers)
>Flanderization
if you believe this you can but its patently untrue.
Amethyst was shown to be at peace with who she is in the most recent wrestling episode closing out her self loathing, Garnet retains her momma bear aspects as you can see by her letting him make mistakes and learn from them in Room for Ruby.
Pearl is still going through her arc, currently but we still see her acting motherly towards Steven quite regularly be it cooking his meals or trying to play nice with Andy because Steven wanted her to.

>>91089571
He was talking about viewer ship ratings /v/tard.

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>>91083327
You know very well why. There are three different main reasons, either:

1) They don't like it because Tumblr. /co/ and /v/ always hate anything Tumblr likes by default; on top of that, the show panders to Tumblr with homosexuality, Steven acting flamboyant, and so on.

2) They hate the character designs, which honestly, aren't very good, for the most part.
>Steven, the protagonist, is a little annoying fat kid, who's known to act feminine at times
>Garnet, Amethyst, and others, have weird niggerlips
>Pearl is weirdly gangly
>Peridot is a tiny gremlin
>The models of the characters shift wildly between each episode

3) They actually watch the show and dislike it for one of many perfectly valid reasons. I'd go and list all the flaws, but I'm sure other people in the thread already have; the characters are boring and/or poorly written, are poorly developed, and average animation at best. Pearl and Amethyst have the same self-hating arcs, Garnet has no character beyond occasionally saying something about fusions or the future, Steven is growing more and more obnoxious as time goes on, Lapis barely does anything beyond sitting around and getting mad, Peridot has devolved into a tiny joke gremlin, and the show is constantly pandering to feminists (it's not usually that big of an issue, but the recent Ronaldo episode has made it much more apparent).

Honestly, the sole reason I'm still watching the show is because of Lapis, Pearl, and the occasional other cute girl.

>>91089571
Reply about what? Ratings determine whether a show is popular and whether it will be renewed or cancelled. It is literally the only official way to determine if a show is 'tanking'. You are either a retard or underage if you don't think ratings matter.

>>91089635
>You are either a retard or underage if you don't think ratings matter.

Yeah they do matter which is why actual popular shows that tons of people like get cancelled prematurely all the time, because there aren't enough people throwing money at reviewers.

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>>91083327
I'm a SUfag but you're wrong with those points buddy

>It's a very good show
It's ranges from really good (S1 and 2) to very bad (Season 4). The recent (most recent two seasons) writing is my biggest gripe with this show; it just sets up many different interesting plot points but refuses to do absolutely anything with them, and instead we get honestly 0/10 episodes such as Onion Gang

>with good characters with good character development.
Only half of them.
On one hand, Amethyst is the one who has grown more in the most constant way as a character, Garnet has become more relatable and emotional and less robotic than she was in Season 1. Pearl's character development was irregular as fuck but overall acceptable.
On the other hand, Lapis went from being a planet destroying powerhouse with a tragic backstory to an angsty asocial lesbian and Peridot went from a somewhat competent antagonist to a reluctant member of the CGs to a fucking walking meme.
But those are entirely Zuke's fault

>It also has GOAT animation
Varies greatly. Mindful Education was 10/10 animation, but that was because a guy from Trigger did it. Meanwhile The New Crystal Gems looked like literal shit made entirely by interns

>and sound.
Yeah, that one is ok, I guess

Sorry for bloghsit, don't forget to subscribe

>>91089627
Oh yeah, I almost forgot, there's also the fact that they only release episodes in little bursts every six months. This is made even worse with how slowly the show treads towards Homeworld stuff, IE the only part of the show that's interesting anymore, given that they've just kinda stopped having gem monsters.

>>91089673
Oh my god do you know what ratings are? Ratings means viewer numbers

>>91089635
He thinks your talking about metacritic ratings because he's fresh off /v/.

>>91085929
Peridot's height changes look like a proporional representation of the quality of the show

>>91089694
You forgot season 3 in the very good part.

>>91089698
And last I checked, it was mostly adults that watch SU and watch it via leaks. Kids don't like it. So what's your point.

>>91089739
S3 is 50% good and 50% bad imo

>>91083454
>forced drama
this
Earlier I was totally fine with Steven crying once in a while or other characters going through some emotional shit, because it was like a spice for the main dish - adventures, action, travelling etc. God, even the episode about on-stage play about the history of Beach City was interesting.
But then it seems, like, the crew went full
>oh, people seem to like this emotional stuff, drama, crying and mental self-digging
to the point when there is nothing else rather then this. They literally feed us the salt without vegetables or meat to add this salt to. And of course it tastes terrible.
I mean, almost all latest episodes could be titled
>Lets cry and be depressed
>Lets cry and be depressed 2: The Random Shit Happens
>Lets cry and be depressed 3: Do This Over Nothing
>Secondary characters cry: The Spinoff

>>91089037
lol, the whole theory about Gem Society being a critique of collectivism (and I'm guessing socialism/communism) is pretty funny coming from a board that openly advocates what it really critiques which is racism.

In the Zoo arc the gems' asses are saved CONSTANTLY by Holly Blue's racist retardation. How is that related to "collectivism"?

>>91089763
It up until the recent episodes was pulling in 1.34 million viewers and episode which is pretty good for CN and good for cable.
Beyond that SU merchandise sells well.

>>91083327
what are you talking about? /co/ loves steven universe! just look at how many replies a single SU thread gets in here.
If they really hated it they wouldnt talk about it so much to the point where its like every day theres a SU thread with 200+ replies!
Silly anon.

>>91083327
I keep forgetting this show has songs. I'm not 100% sure thats even true, since nobody talks about them and I don't watch it.

>>91083439
MLP stretches it's plot content thin. You can barely call it teasing. And they constantly expand into new directions even if they do come back to nudge the older plot strings. On the otherhand, character development stories are speeding towards ends, so theres going to be some sort of timeskip.

>>91089763
>Last I checked
You've obviously never checked. SU is the number 2 ranked show on Cartoon Network in every demographic, and is consistently on the top 20 cable shows on the most competitive night of the week.

You should just stop now before you embarrass yourself more.

>GOAT animation
Ok so this is a bait thread

>>91085866
/co/ has been overrun with /pol/locks and Russianons shitposting about muh degeneracy. 2007 /co/ loved LGBT characters, 2017 /co/ is triggered by them.

>>91089817
>Beyond that SU merchandise sells well.

There is so little of it, if it were selling that well why is it so hard to find? Those little grab bag figures probably make up for a lot of the difference but that's because of the terrible business model that gets people to buy shit they don't want.

>>91089892
>if it were selling that well why is it so hard to find?
Seriously? Read what you just wrote.

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>>91089892
>if it were selling that well why is it so hard to find?

>>91089544

(Butch referring to body type/size, not personality)

I don't think it's how they act, it's how they get treated in comparison to the more feminine characters who are just as, if not more horrible by the plot.

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>>91089892
>if it were selling that well why is it so hard to find?

>>91089050
All I can think of when people say "black coded" is that scene in ATHF where Shake says "C'mon Frylock, you should be cool with this... you're black!"
>camera lingers on Frylock's red fucking fry box body silently for like a half a minute
"...you SOUND black..."

>>91089226
>>91089128
Sapphire and Ruby have more lines than her now.

>>91089887
Why isn't there a Ruschan yet?

>>91090050
you mean 2ch?

>characters are pretty off model most of the time
>colours for Lapis and Peridot are literally ripped from MS Paint
>though i enjoy the show, tumblr has to fucking get hostile when someone does something wrong about it
>quite a bit of shitfests
>balance of action and character development is HEAVILY imbalanced
>game tie-ins are subpar
>"zamii070 VS Tumblr"

>>91090595
>game tie-ins are subpar
Attack the light was a great mobile game desu senpai

>>91083327
No villains

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>>91092591
She jobbed to two fat midgets and caught aids

Blue Diamond is the closest thing to a good villain on this show, that bitch is ice cold under those tears.

>>91083327
>GOAT animation
This is how I knew it was bait.

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Nice bait, friend.

To answer your question you only made to get multiple replies, a large percentage actually does enjoy Steven Universe. The other percentages are that they dislike it but don't throw a fit over it, and then there's the shitposters from /pol/, /tv/, or some place else who raid the board with their buzzwords and hatred for the show. It's the same shit over and over again.
>Steven is fat and ugly/annoying!
>Why does anyone like this show? It's made for Tumblr SJWs!
>Why does Steven walk like a faggot?
>X Steven Universe threads with a Stingy image
>X show is better than this Tumblr shit!
>This show has gay agenda!

I could literally go on with this. It's been shitting up the board for months and our moderators are suddenly okay with it.

>>91092591

Its kind of sad the way she >>91092643
went down

>>91092888
Since the beginning, really. It's just gaining momentum again because SJ is airing and apparently its well reception makes it cool to shit on SU more than usual, despite having no new complaints about it.

>>91093686
I dunno, the animation taking a dip, character's going more and more off model, and lack of exploring earth in the more recent seasons are pretty fair and recent complaints

>>91093989
Nah now you guys just moved on from complaining about "The Asian" to complaining about "The Zuke".

We have this thread everyday

>>91093989
>character's going more and more off model
I really, really don't understand this criticism. Look at the OP image, that's literally from the pilot. There is deliberately no 'model' for characters on this show and it's been that way since episode one. Why are people only now realising this?

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>>91094043
that's the first episode, not the pilot.

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>>91083327
I like the show but it is kind of spinning its wheels lately with not much happening. So you get the very common fan backlash/overreaction where there are problems but fans just always exaggerate and inflate them to ridiculous levels.

I read a study that found fandom produce a neuro-state similar to religious worship and "splitting" where things were either perfect or totally terrible with no in-between with tons of cognitive dissonance over everything in between the two poles that basically explained this, why though mostly things are middling it was seen as 100% perfect and transcendental or 0% but it could suddenly flop wildly between the two if a person woke up in a bad mood that morning. Basically a version of tribalism but with more wild irrational fluctuating between two extreme positions with no bearing on reality.

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>>91089417
On hiatus again

>>91094286
link to this study please? sounds interesting

>>91084867
I'm surprised this isn't said more often. Sure SU has it's moments in the plot heavy episodes that are interesting but the high majority are just really obnoxious and unfunny moments that are hard to watch

>>91094300
>On hiatus again
why the fuck does this show go on hiatus so much? What takes so long to make the episodes? It sure as fuck ain't the animation

>>91093686
it's actually not airing, it's on hiatus and even the reruns barely get an hour of two a week. There should be little to no discussion of the show

>>91083795

I know I'm simply concurring for a third time, but this.

Peridot has been on...what, two missions with the Crystal Gems? And Lapis hasn't been on any.

They gave us these wonderful characters and they've failed to do anything with them. In fact, they've gotten so bad it's hard to watch Lapis and Peridot episodes.

And yes, it's the same shit over and over. Pearl is having trouble getting over Rose (which I guess they might have gotten past, but who knows at this point), Amethyst feels like trash all the time, Lapis is depressed, Peridot is autistic, Garnet is the best relationship ever. And each of those has had at least ten episodes devoted to it, and it just keeps repeating.

And then there's all the other problems, like the lack of any real villain. I'm all for sympathetic villains, but at least have them show up more than once a season.

I still like the show, but holy fuck they better do something with it quick. I haven't even bothered watching a whole bunch of the episodes because they're just so bad.

>>91094411
CN refusing to air it is the current reason. They're too blinded by airing only three shows on the fucking network to care enough to release episodes for the only existing fanbase they have.

>>91094464
How does CN airtime impact their ability to create episodes?

>>91085929
I hate that it was so progressive that I didn't notice it was this bad until this chart.

Does it at least depend on who did which episode?

>>91089814

It's pretty much a /pol/ack trying to justify why he likes the show

I just don't talk about it

There used to be a lot of perifags on /pol/

Most complaints in this thread seem pretty valid.

One I remember from a while ago is someone pointing out early Steven not putting up with Lars's shit as much. Like when he kept going back in time to diss Lars.

Really, I did like the early episodes since they were a nice balance of character and adventure. Even townie ones like the volleyball episode or the fry mascot one had a certain amount of magic and adventure to them, it made the events unique to the show.

When was the last time the crystal gems went hunting for crazy gems? The roadrunner parody with Peridot? The show used to have some pretty imaginative, surreal visuals like the strawberry fields. Been a while since we've seen anything like that.

Early on the show made good use of color, the orange glow to everything when the meteor is approaching in the second episode still sticks out to me.

A lot of people in this thread have already talked about the gens characterization getting weaker, so I wont get into that.

I dont know how someone can say the show hasn't gotten weaker over time.

>>91094411
Incompetence, executive apathy/hatred, ratings, lack of merch sales? Take your pick. Nobody had told us anything.

>>91094488

If I recall, they actually have a quite a few episodes completed, but this scheduling shit means we won't see them until Christ returns

>>91094488
Because the executives and president running the network are fucking retarded. Literally every CN Original (except WBB coming in April) are on a indefinite hiatus for no fucking reason.

>>91094554

I can agree with this. The last time I was really taken by this show's animation was...Lion 2, I think (that part where they ride Lion across the water was just beautiful) though there have been a few isolated cool moments since then

>>91083327
People hate it either because:

a) They don't like the politics/social messages the show has.

b) Archival watchers who marathoned the entire series in one sitting who are now upset that the show's moving "slowly".

WHEN ARE THEY GOING TO GET TO THE FIREWORKS FACTORY?

>>91083961
Can someone post this? I haven't seen it before and my googlefu is failing.

>>91083372
THIS
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>>91094792

*ignoring this entire thread

I don't hate it, this show just puts me to sleep faster than cough syrup.

>>91086240
>>91086139
>Masculine face features
>attractive build

Do you fags enjoy twink anime characters or something?

>>91094554
That's because the show has switched art directors since then. IMO I loved Season 1A's visuals because Kevin Dart was the art director then and he has a very distinct style.

>>91094488
Because there are created episodes ready to be aired that can't be aired because CN currently refuses to air time.

E.g. leaked episodes that have yet to air

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>>91095547
they make no effort to draw him attractively
look at his face. imagine that face in the 2nd panel fucking you.

horrifying

It's boring, the characters are annoying, the art is atrocious, the music is meh.

Nothing stands out.

The plot is too boring, its a generic rebellion plot that is too centered on one alien species, I mean FOUR FUCKING SEASONS AND WE BARELY KNOW A THING ABOUT GEMS.

There are no antagonist at all, the gem matriarchs are just amoral alien leaders dont call them evil for genociding species so they can make new gem colonies thats called expansion of your species morons, and any alien species with sapience wouldnt give a shit if humans all died either.

The Corrupted gems are just misunderstood monsters how boring instead of just creatures that kill stuff for the lulz.

Lapis is a bitch who hogs screentime, and Peridot is a poor attempt at alien tries to learn how to be human, but to a gem a human is basically a wild animal meaning to Peridot she is essentially acting mentally retarded and would be an insult to her gem ego so her characterization is retarded.

Literally nothing happens in these seasons at all, its just pointless damsel in distress missions and chasing Jasper or Lapis or Peridot HOLY FUCKING SHIT MAKE SOMETHING HAPPEN ALREADY!

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>>91083327
I like Steven Universe, and I'm thrilled whenever there's a new episode, but I enjoy it on my own. I scroll through posts for art, but that's about it. Real discussion doesn't exist on /co/ that isn't littered with cancer.

>>91083327
>GOAT animation and sound.
>and sound

The only song I heard from this show was Stronger Than You and that was shit

>>91096432
Background music is great

It seems like rather than being "complex" characters, they're characters with strong backgrounds, if that makes any sense. I don't like that in any ordinary situation you can immediately tell what the crystal gems' reaction to it will be: protective/worried, humorously carefree, serious almost uncaring.
Also I don't like the art style at all. That's just my opinion, but Garnet's design in this show is absolutely horrendous. I get that the designers were trying to give her black features, I'm fine with that, but her proportions seem factually wrong, like in proportion to the other parts of her body

>>91084306
>At this rate, western animation will fall into the same pit hole of anime, kidnapped by a vocal fanbase of nerds and forced to pander to them, but with social justice instead of waifu faggotr
Anime has not fallen into any such pithole.

>Fortunately they aren't making overpriced merchandise for the obsesive fan-market, yet...
Why "fortunately"? Merchandise provides another revenue stream. You need revenue to make animation. And anime merchandise isn't overpriced.

>>91084371
>Brian Griffin-tier characters

What do you mean by this?

>>91097457
unlikable assholes who criticize others for trivial shit even when they do something ten times worse and pretends to have the moral high ground even when theyve done fucking awful things and have no self awareness. the whole steven's uncle and jasper episodes highlighted this perfectly, they were in the right the whole time yet were supposed to believe the main characters are in the right because their the protagonists

>>91083327

Because Steven universe represents PC culture. PC culture has gotten to the point where "I'M OFFENDED BY EVERYTHING DID YOU JUST ASSUME MY GENDER? WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!!!"

>>91083327
I don't hate the show. I like the premise and the characters a lot and I want to see it succeed. Here are my positives and negatives with the show.

Postives:
>I can highly relate to the characters problems especially with dealing with the loss of a loved one.
>I really like the music.
>Animation is pretty good but it has it's moments where it declines.
>I really enjoy the beautiful art style of the show.
>Voice acting is excellent.
>Handles Pearl's conflict with Steven and Greg in regard to losing Rose to Greg and the fact that Rose became Steven fairly well.
>Teaches really great messages about growing up, how to deal with stress and negative emotions, etc.

Negatives:
>SJW undertones
>Fails to grasp the potential internal diacomity within Steven in regards to the internal conflict of his natural pacifist nature and the fact that he must fight.
>Teases it but fails to perpetuate Steven's internal existential questioning. Instead of developing his character by exposing Rose and war criminal, liar, and over-all bad person that she is, he becomes submissive to the obvious propaganda from the Gems about his mother.
>Fails to fully develop and address the main threat and conflict of the show.

>>91097609
While I somewhat agree on the Steven's uncle incident, they're still nowhere near Brian's level.

>>91085929
Oh my lord, they have completely ruined this character. Who don't even need to do some super tedious analysis of her character you just need to look at this chart and you'll know how bad this shit it. fuck me

>>91086327
>everything that happened was inconsequential anyway

Season 4 episodes have just become a giant circle-jerk of emotional redundancy

>>91097822
pear and amy are just as bad, if not worse than brian. everything about pearl just makes her a naggy, selfish asshole with no self awareness, and she acts like she has no flaws,when she is really just a defective vacuum cleaner with no purpose being there. amy is the literal worst character ive seen in quite a while, she sits on her ass for five thousand years, not training or helping the CGs in any way, yet she deserves and expects to be treated exactly the same, and bitches and moans when when shes beaten into the ground, rightfully so. and dont get me started on the technicolor vomit that is lapiss. as for season three, the whole fucking season just devolved into jasper torture porn, sending its writing to a sponge-bob level. sugar should just go back to AT, its abundantly clear that thats the only place she can write well

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>>91098030
I think you might be exaggerating, try to calm down and then explain your point with a little more detail, you might change your mind while you're doing it with a cool head

>>91098125
i explained it in full detail. if your argument is "LUL TO LOOONG" just go back to >>>/trash/

>>91098030
You clearly have no idea what you're talking about.

>>91098238
>t. delusional faggot

>>91098183
My argument was that it was too short actually and that you were too angry to think clear before writing so your ideas aren't in order, like i said, take your time, calm down and it will come out clearer

>>91098288
Says the guy who posted a poorly constructed tirade.

>>91098307
>LUL UR JUST MAD TRY AGAIN XDD
i explained it in full detail, and im not gonna write a second blog post for some delusional jackass on a mongolian throat singing forum. if you lack the ability to understand what im saying, and just resort to please just fuck off back to your containment thread

>>91085866
The characters aren't even attractive enough for the sexualization to be enjoyable by anyone.

>>91084867
>There is empathy and then there is such much empathy that you have a legitimate mental/emotional disorder

To be fair, I can actually see 14 year old boy wanting to keep centipede monsters around. It's like the one time I could actually buy Steven as a 14 year old.

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>>91098458

I didn't say that with any kind of irony or malice, really, it just seemed that you were talking in the heat of the moment and not thinking straight, if you don't want to talk about it anymore that's fine too i guess

>>91084033
>lately tumblr has been distancing from it
>even tumblr can't stand Steven and the headcanon is that the 14 year old should-be-in-high-school protagonist has either downs or hard core autism


cITATION NEEDE

>>91089037
The funny thing is, I don't think everything stated in that post is unintentional. Watching interviews of Rebecca Sugar, she's pretty fucking redpilled. She's still liberal and gay, but she has a realistic perspective of the world, understands the importance of a present father figure (especially consider Greg was her personal creation based loosely on early Simpsons Homer), and completely understands that the world won't bow to you, you're not born with everything you want and you won't always get it, and you just have to live with that. She tries to get that across in the show (it's really obvious season 1), but it's obsfucated by the intent of the fans and more SJW-ish staff members.

For all her talents and likeable personality, I wish she had more guts to steer her ship. It's pretty obvious by now that Ian J.Q., her boyfriend, was keeping the show afloat with a clear direction. She could probably use some tips from Daron Nefcy -- a much more competent show director who also happens to be a woman and redpilled while staying relatively progressive.

>>91098606
these are legitimate criticisms of the show. if you cant see that then youre just as autistic as the rest of your faggot fandom

>>91094286
This sounds about right

>>91098545
You're only discrediting yourself further.

>>91094571
>lack of merch sales.

It certainly isn't that, The first wave of POPs (consisting of Steven, Garnet, Amethyst, and Pearl) did well enough to justify a second wave consisting of Rose Quartz, Peridot, Lapis, Connie, and Lion.

Hell, Hot Topic had GITD exclusives of the first wave and they have an exclusive flocked Lion.

>>91083327
it's mostly because
> DA SJW TUMBLR FEMINAZI LEZBIAN JOOOOS !!!!111!!

>>91083327
Because it's full of fillers.
It's like the creators themselves don't know what to do with this show, with it's characters and where it all should go.

>>91083327
Before reading any other posts in this topic, I'm just going to say it's not the show they hate so much as the fanbase, more specifically how they can't seem to contain to one general and post a dozen topics, which is annoying.

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>>91098725
Nigga, this is what you said:

>Pearl is cunt that thinks too high of herself, but its just a gloryfied vacuum cleaner
>Amethyst is a lazy piece of shit that never does anything to improve or help others and has the gal to expect pity from others when she feels baout about being a literal usesless turd
>Dont make me talk about lapis!
>Season 3 is jasper torture porn

Like, i get what you're saying, i even agree with some points, but you frase it like a total sperg and you give no examples to validate your idea, so it rings hollow

Your post its a fucking mess and you would notice it if you weren't so fucking angry at shitposters on 4chan, you don't know how to keep your cool, its like a SU autist raped your mother you're so angry

My wife's son loves this show.

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Fans love a show
Fandoms love what they do to a show

If you love a show, avoid fandoms, shipping, and wafer faggonitry

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>>91094286
Its kind of creepy how right I think you might be.
Sometimes I think about SU and I think about how much I love it and how good it truly is.
But sometimes maybe on a bad day I think to myself "Was this show ever good?
I keep jumping back and fourth on my thoughts and I worry its because I'm almost religiously devoted to it.

>>91099795
As long as you stay the fuck away from the online fandoms and communities you'll mellow out on it.

Fandoms, shippers, and waifu/husbando fags will all make you a worse person simply from being exposed to them. I am not joking. They will poison your mind.

And for the love of all that is good stay the FUCK out of generals.

I used to kind of like steven but I was more in
it for the story. The earlier episodes were probably better structured but not necessarily my cup of tea. In the long run I largely ended up disappointed and frustrated with a lot of elements with it and dropped it. In retrospective, I feel that plenty of shows are much better than steven even without deeper plots.

>>91099955
I recently saw a comment on YouTube where the guy said he thought he had stopped liking anime but turns out he just didn't like the community.

>>91083372
spbp

Part of what made the season one finale so amazing was that it seemed like it was when the meat of the plot was really going to get started, opening the floodgates for all this serious gems vs homeworld stuff. But since then the plot has just been meandering around with redemption arcs and anticlimactic threats and the occasional lame plot revelation. I just don't give a fuck anymore.

>>91097609
>jasper in the right lol!
sure ok you fucking contrarian faggot

>>91098707
>redpilled
You could used a better word

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>>91094463

In addition to this but having expensive as vas for sugilite and bismuth, bismuth more than sugi but i digress. Like i loved both of their vas but i want more sugilite and more bismuth

Another thing is the fights,i wish they had more action and where better choregraphed.

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>>91089040
>black
>act like niggers

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>>91085929
HOW IS SHE GONNA GET THE COOKIE JAR NOW /CO/

>>91099795
This is how I've felt about Adventure Time for like 4 years

>>91096375
I really enjoy SU but whenever a new episode comes out I'm not really thrilled. And when to /co/ inability to have thoughtful and engaging discussion i agree with you on that. Ironically the people who I've had good discussions with are newfags. Says a lot about this site.

>>91100773
I hate how the power levels have no consistency. The garnet v jasper fight was cool but man did it not make any sense.

>>91101462
Naw AT was pretty awesome. I was even on board when Finn started dating. But if they couldn't fully commit to Finn maturing and growing into a young adult then they should have never had him age in the first place. I feel like they really missed an opportunity to have one of if not the only cartoon where th protagonist starts as a kid and matures into a young adult over the coarse of many years

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>tfw you have to share the board with bunch of bait biting retards.

>>91083327
it's the show we hate to hate. we hate it because it's genuinely shit.

>>91102872
To their credit they are still doing that, only its real drawn out and they're too chicken to go the whole extra mile with it. I respect their efforts and Finn has changed quite dramatically as a character but the fact that he still looks identical to his 12 year old self makes all the effort mostly worthless.

What's the point of letting him grow up of the 'growing' part of that doesn't exist, at least SU has a reason that Steven isn't physically growing.

>>91102984
It's basically /co/'s Naruto. Horrible animation, terrible story/characters/writing, obnoxious and annoying protagonist, bad music and VAs, he'll it's even produced at a painstakingly slow pace and has the cancerous fan base to boot

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>>91085929

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>>91099111
alright faggot you want details? you got em
lets start with a list of the worst characters and aspects of the show
-the animation, in the first season, it used lighting, effects, and had the look of someone painstakingly drawing every frame, sure it had fuck ups, but it had charm. now it looks like they got this from the same flash production studio as johnny test, and has all of its good looks and charm gutted.
-the characters. oh were do i start? lets start with pearl, a nagging, self righteous, useless fuck up that has a massive ego, even though like i said, she fucks up missions and has no use being there in the first place. amethyst, the most unlikable, brian griffin teir character ive seen in quite some time. she goes up against jasper and pearl, who have spent the last five thousand years working their respective asses off with training, fighting, and the like, while she just sits on her ass eating everything and not helping one bit and then she bitches an moans when she predictably looses and were supposed to feel bad for her? bullshit. garnet, the worst case of flanderization since patrick star. she used to be the funny, mysterious and cool character, but now shes been reduced to MUH FUSION shit. and dont try and criticize her, or youll have two tiny autists screeching at you. lapiss. the second worse character here. she steals the ocean, kidnaps jasper for an autistic revenge plot, and breaks a gift of apology from peridont, a person who never directly wronged her by the way, and now were supposed to feel bad for her? bullshit, hope the fucker gets grinded into blue glitter. peridont. another victim of abhorrent flanderization, once a promising character with plenty of potential, now reduced to a lesbian meme with a fuck off annoying voice. part 1 of ?

>>91103268
next on the character retardation list, greg. abandoned his family, changed his name and never even saw them again, yet still rented out the barn that he didnt even own to two destructive memes. if this was real life hed be in prison. steven. in the original seasons, he was funny, charming, and was a good person. now he solves all of his problems by bitching and crying in a fuck off annoying voice. connie. once the funny, cute side kick to steven, now crawling in my skin: the character. the diamonds. a prime example of a good idea executed awfully. their supposed to be deep and evil yet everything they do is based purely off emotions and has no logical sense. the townies. annoying filler, need i say more?
-the plot. once about a kid with magical parents going on adventures with fun and charm, now reduced to either an annoying over the top leepest door episode with no real substance. that or fuck off annoying filler.
i think thats it. i wont count the autistic air hiatuses because thats not their fault but everything else is prime grounds to black list sugar and the rest of the crew from ever animating again. now i dont hate the show (at least i didnt) but its lost all of whatever made it good in the first place. but i think the absolute worst moments of the show were the jasper arc, she does one wrong thing (which wasnt even that bad when you think about it) and she gets beaten down and maimed for five episodes. thats squidward torture porn shit right there.

>>91103454
one more thing, the dialogue is just awful at times. if i were to pick a favorite character, id say lion or blue pearl, just because they dont speak

There are some things that I like and dislike.

I really like the gem characters outside of pearl and I enjoy the episodes when it focuses on homeworld or steven interacting with the gems or his father.

The soundtrack is also pretty good, my personal being "dance of swords".

In terms of the animation, its pretty average to say the least. Its not as bad as most are trying to make it out to be but its nothing to write home about.

However, the plot is painfully slow, I mean just recently both yellow and blue diamond are planning on starting a full on attack on earth but that plot point is dropped in favor of more dumb filler episodes about ronaldo being a massive shitlord or lars being an unlikeable cunt.

Overall, the show as of now is average. Its not as bad as /co/ trying to make it out to be but its not the masterpiece that tumblr is trying to make it out to be.

>>91089037
>You clearly haven't studied your Peterson

Geez I like Peterson but he's become a tad overrated as of late among certain right leaning circles.

>>91094554
>I dont know how someone can say the show hasn't gotten weaker over time.
I think that's common for ambitious animated series like this one. In its defense I think SU has progressed better than AT did and I still think its a decent show but right now I don't really think it balances all its various elements and characters as well as it did initially.

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>>91083327
SU rarely takes the opportunity to explore the cool concepts they introduce in interesting ways and tend to either do so hamfistedly or not at all while replacing potential development on the interesting stuff with memes and townie episodes.

Why not develop upon other aspects to Pearl's character outside of her love for Rose? Why not give Garnet some development and stop making her state of being a fusion and her future vision into memes so she doesn't always come across as a dull turd? I get that Peridot and Lapis are getting accustomed to Earth and starting a new life and that when you look past the annoying comedy relief and boring wooby shit they are complex characters, but why do they have to flanderize them constantly? Why didn't they explore Jasper's depth while she was out and about instead of only hinting at it once in the middle of a very rushed and poorly executed arc and then revealing it in a very cliche manner right before they shelved her indefinitely? Why not put a little effort into making the townie eps interesting if they're going to waste so much time on them?

Plot progression moves way too slowly and development for characters and certain mysteries seem to happen only once in a blue moon, and when it does happen it usually just comes across as unsatisfying. S4 is almost over and Steven is barely starting to realize that his mom wasn't the gem jesus the CGs are still painting her out to be, none of the protagonists have real main objectives or goals, and there is little to no threats or stakes.

I want to like the show as much as I did in S1 but I've been finding it increasingly hard to. I still like Pearl, Lapis, and Jasper because I'm a slut for angsty girls and I'm pretty much just sticking around the sidelines in hope that the show will eventually take a turn for the better and something interesting will happen with them. I will be happy to see some plot-related stuff in S5, regardless if it's as badly executed as S3 or not.

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>>91104743
I also liked season two, and fell Peridot's redemption was probably the most well-handled arc in the series, but the Sardonyx arc and a few of the filler episodes in it were the start of something happening within the SU production team that made the quality start dropping. Maybe they've gotten lazy or lost direction or something?

>>91086008
>black coded
nigga what?

>>91083731
The go-to argument against valid criticism.
Bravo, you passed the beginner test for debating

>>91089204
>they are just more complex now.
ironically they are more flat now. Caricatures of their former glorious selfs.

>>91104743
We will never get something as sublime as season 1, to be honest. I think the show's budget got cut or Ian J.Q. had a REALLY big effect on the show, because SU just hasn't been experimental in its direction or presentation since he left. Episodes like Maximum Capacity, Rose's Scabbard, and The Talk that have subtle character interactions, playful lighting, and really good pacing? Not possible with today's crew.

At most, you can hope for Mr. Greg type episodes -- i.e. episodes where Rebecca steps in, does her job, and makes sure shit actually turns out good. As it is now, the show is pulled apart by lack of direction and storyboarder libertarianism.

>>91104743
>>91104979
The show has always been shit.

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>>91105164
>Mr. Greg

Not him but i liked Mr Greg for the interactions but the songs did nothing for me, not one did it move me, not even pearl's that's supose to be super sad or something, some other guy in another thread said it best, it was "Its over isn't it? 20 times over" it got too monotonous for me to care, maybe if they had like little variations of "its over" or something to break wangst it was transmitting me

The rest of the songs were too dull to care either, it was played as a big musical but there was very little going on beyond "Im rich, im filthy fucking rich!", it was played as big thing were happening but everything seemed so low key, there was no grandeur to speak of

I know im in the minority in this so if anyone wants to say something in favor of Mr. Greg im all ears

>>91105164
It feels like they only planned out one arc for any of the characters and now they don't know what to do with them anymore. I was incredibly excited for The New Crystal Gems, because it starred three characters who desperately need something new going for them, but then it ended up about washing cars.

>>91105378
I interpreted the more gloaty musical parts to be an attempt to get Pearl to move on and focus on something other than Rose by being indulgent. It worked until she tries to have fun with Greg and that's when the episode's tone shift happened. I agree that the "It's over" was monotonous and that the more interesting parts of the song were her explicit reveal of her feelings. The conversation in the middle of Steven's piano piece was also a highlight, moreso than the song itself, and the use of yellow/blue to highlight Greg and Pearl's dynamic was interesting considering it's a motif for other characters in the show who bicker over the past (the two diamonds we know thus far and Peridot/Lapis). Aside from that it was the first episode in a while where SU played with the palette, shading, angles, and some other style changes since season fucking one. The panning shot of Pearl singing took my by complete surprise for that reason.

>>91104743
I think the character flanderization and the hamfisted/lazy writing happens because the writers can't decided whether they want the show to be targeted at young kids or older kids and young adults, and I think the plot progression and townie episodes are bad because the writers don't know how to balance the SOL half of the show and the space opera half of the show. I also think the quality might be dropping because Rebecca Sugar is a bad leader and her boarding team is mostly incompetent.

>>91105475

>Aside from that it was the first episode in a while where SU played with the palette, shading, angles, and some other style changes since season fucking one.

That it did, i wasn't very impressed by it but i can apreciate effort

>>91105378
I liked it, but it wasn't perfect. There were lots of great little character interactions and moments between Greg, Pearl and Steven. The visuals/animation were also really good for an SU episode. The whole scene with Pearl singing with the city in the background was stunning. I personally liked the songs, but that's just me.

Biggest problem with it for me was pacing. If there was an additional couple of minutes to allow the story to breathe, and a little more time to see Greg and Pearl talk it out, it would've made a huge difference.

Overall, I liked it because it has the heart of what SU is supposed to be, and has what has been missing from the show recently. A strong emotional core, and a focus on interpersonal relationships.

>>91104979
>but the Sardonyx arc and a few of the filler episodes in it were the start of something happening within the SU production team that made the quality start dropping.
I agree, it was the first Steven bomb I was really disappointed with and I have to say I haven't enjoyed the series as muh since

And I say this as someone who liked Sardonyx

>>91105491
I think the townie episodes would be better received if they were interspersed with the "plot" episodes more competently. If we had them alternate every other episode or two townie episodes every "plot" episode I don't think people would complain as much, I personally enjoy both types but I can see how people would complain when we get a four episode of block of townies with no plot to break it up.

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>>91105452
Ugh, those kinds of episodes are the worst. Every time a side-character could become more relevant to an ongoing plot thread, the crew opts to waste their episodes on mean and undeserved 4th wall breaking jokes and incredibly unfunny gags. I mean, here's some shit:

>Rose's armory has human sized weapons and armor with some implied history behind them
What's the point of introducing this season 1, when all the stakes are ramping up, if Connie is going to be the only human fighter? You'd think this would be relevant to other people in beach city? You know, maybe people that could go through some development, become closer friends with him and the gems, learn to fight to protect their hometown?

>Peedee had some really introspective and thematically relevant lines before getting shelved into the background
Okay, this character's pessimism caught me by the blue and I'm sure that was the intended effect season 1. He honestly seems pretty complex on a surface level for a child character and he envelops that "child dealing with adult situations" motif that made the show worth watching in the first place really well. There's potential for a character arc in him, and the potential to grow up. Why isn't this guy closer friends with Steven and Connie? More importantly, why WAS he friends with Steven and now doesn't hang out with him? Did they ditch this idea?

>Lars, Sadie, and the rest of beach city have not grown up at all... hell, not even Steven.
It's been a few years. Yes, Lars has not matured past his edge-lord validation-seeking high school freshman phase since then. At this rate he'll be a juggalo in his late 20s or some shit. With proper direction, he would have grown more endearing and probably become one of the human warriors in addition to Connie. Furthermore, Sadie is still as much of an abusive asshole and still isn't involved in gem stuff... despite killing a gem monster.

>Peridot, Lapis, and Connie do jack shit anymore
Self explanatory.

>>91105551
It doesn't even need to be about the plot, just put the gems more often interacting with the humans, that was the point of steven, right? to be a bridge within worlds like the avatar or something like that? Becouse, to be honest, the town people with their town problems aren't really interesting by themselves

>>91083327
Because it's an ugly, poorly written pile of shit.

>>91105551
they would be better if they were fun or involved development of characters we care about, or just lasting development for the townies in general. all season 3 and 4 townie episodes almost always feel completely pointless, and the ones in season 3 felt like they were taking away time that could have been used to flesh out all the plot related shit that was happening throughout it. the townie and filler episodes in season one were fun even when they didn't involve any character development

>>91105610
There was some pretty bad townie episodes in season one as well, they definitely were not as consistently bad as they are now though. I think they were generally more enjoyable because they usually involved the CGs or gem magic in some way.

>>91105576
>Peedee getting shoved to the backgroud
I suspect Peedee was originally planned to be Steven's best friend before Connie completely took over in that department.

>Peridot, Lapis, and Connie do jack shit anymore
This single statement probably bugs me more than any other issue in this show at this point. Peridot has been reduced to a comic relief character, she has nothing going on anymore. Lapis is dealing with depression which is still being resolved I guess. Connie is probably the most egregious example in my book. After being trained by Pearl she has gone on a total of one mission and beat the shit out of a school mate, that is it. Everything else involving her is resolved using Stevonnie, the most boring character in the show. She and Steven don't even appear to be interested in each other romantically anymore, why go to the trouble of training her if she gets left on the sidelines at every opportunity?

>>91089037
>Unable to watch a show without inserting his political headcanons in it
/pol/ and SJWs are truly dark reflections of each other.

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>>91105576
>Rose's armory has human sized weapons and armor with some implied history behind them

This nickpicking from me but why don't they have armor themselves? like, those weapons seem very durable and it seems they were crafted and were not just a light construct made by themselves, so why not wear armor too? They have a whole room full of them, might as well use them

Like, its known these people have super human strength, so it wont be cumbersome, and Garnets boxing gloves are able to do very dexterous moves by themselves, so movility isnt a problem either

So why not?

>>91105576
>You'd think this would be relevant to other people in beach city? You know, maybe people that could go through some development, become closer friends with him and the gems, learn to fight to protect their hometown?

You know, now that i think of it that would never work, beach city only knows steven from the gems, and the gems only nows steven and greg from beach city, with the exception of the vidalia and a few words exchanged with the town people through out the seasons, they don't really know eachother, like at all, they barely acknoledge the existance of the other

If steven said something like "We have to go rescue the cristal gems! put on this armor and alien weapons and folow me!"

everyone would be like "Who the fuck are the cristal gems? what the fuck are you talking about?" and then ronaldo would take 5 minutes to explain who the cristal gems are "steven this sound way above our heads, we don't even know how to use this, let alone carry it, we also think you might be full of shit and you are lying to us, if something so fantastical happened here we would have noticed by now"

"Its real and iis gonna work, trust me, now follow me we gotta rescue them from the gem empire forces!"

"Who?!"

The conversation would go on for a few hours but you get the idea, one side is completely oblivious the gem shenanigans and the other are a reclusive group of people that shows little to no interest in any way to the human world

>>91100530
Nah it fits with the rest of the shit he is saying about her being normal for being a "gay".

>>91098707
>realistic
>redpilled
Not synonymous, and the latter is far too loaded for what you're trying to convey. SJWs don't hate all dads, for example.

>>91103028
>bad music
>dee dee is a bad VA
>terrible characters

Now you're just stretching things you enormous faggot. Those three are one of the only parts of the show which I admit are actually good regardless of what any faggot on /co/ shits through its mouth about it.

>>91103996
This.
I still have faith the show can make a bit of a recovery once HW fucking finally returns on earth, but it's a shame it takes so long. I remember feeling the same about it when watching AT but after a long time abandoning it I decided to give it another go when people were hyping up the most recent season. And I gotta say I wasn't disappointed. I feel like SU can do the same. I'm not even as disappointed yet but the wait is getting more frustrating.

>>91105576
Holy fuck now I really miss Peedee. He could've been a really great human friend for Steven, you know because the kid often struggles in keeping in touch with both his gem and human side. Steven recently mentioned this to uncle Andy but Peedee could've really fit this role well. I don't dislike Connie but it's pretty boring she's his only human best friend (and love interest duh). Oh yeah instead we also get Onion to be another friend. What the fuck talking about missed opportunity.

>>91103996
>However, the plot is painfully slow
I don't even mind the plot being slow, but make the "filler" interesting at least. The problem is the show devolved into a dichotomy of lore dump plot episodes, and pointless townie shit. The first season was great because it interwove these elements together. We were always learning something new about the characters or the world. Or at the very least they were fun.

>I really like the gem characters outside of pearl
Your opinion is wrong.

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>>91083327
The show seemed interesting enough because it seemed different and had some pretty elements to it. I liked the use of color, for instance. What kept me interested for a while was the raw sort of nature every character seemed to have. I never quite knew what they were going to do or how they were going to react because the moment I thought I had them pinned down, they'd do something baffling to me.

I also sorta digged a kind of monster of the week format and largely how the nature of the gems was both mysterious and familiar to the town.

Then it got weird. I mean, I'm sure it was always a bit weird which made it intriguing, but the whole arc where they get captured by Jasper and shit left me feeling put off and I never quite stuck with the show after.

That's all I got.

>>91106434
I said "the wait is getting frustrating" here >>91106369 but I think it feels like because of what you are saying.
Personally I didn't even mind TNCG much. Finally we had Lapis and Peridot clash a bit and Connie meeting the two of them, but also because it was the closest of gem/townie interaction we had in a while. Still not the best gem/townie interaction but it's start. A start of hopefully more interesting filler episodes in future.

>>91105740
>women fighters

The most masculine gem is coincidentally the one to take over all the other ones and pose the biggest threat.

>>91083327
once I noticed the art inconsistency i really started to cringe
also everything surrounding lapis and peridot has been a downward plunge

>>91083327
it's a meme how taylor made for reddit

>>91083327
go to thesaurus.com and you will discover lots of words that mean the same thing as good, and you won't look like a dumb asshole next time you need to write a sentence telling people that you like three things

>>91106512
Yeah, TNCG wasn't that bad, it's just that SU has led us to expect more. And I agree, more Gem/townie interaction would be very welcome. I always thought having Lapis integrate with the humans would've been a great arc for her. Problem is they can't do it justice because of the Steven perspective gimmick that they should've dropped after season one. Fuck, this show would be ten times better if they had done that and actually aged up Steven.

>>91106679
>Problem is they can't do it justice because of the Steven perspective gimmick that they should've dropped after season one. Fuck, this show would be ten times better if they had done that and actually aged up Steven.

AGREED. Honestly at first I found it amuzing how they kept finding loopholes in how to make episodes technically from Steven's perspective but with actual focus and development for another character like Log Date, Story for Steven and TNCG but now I'm really eager to see episodes not involving the kid at all. And while the show had a pretty good explanation to why Steven is still small for his age, it is time for him to truly mature a bit. In fact he did mature mentally for sure. Crazy encounters with crazy gems, HW encounters, he finally starts to ask legit questions...feels like he's getting somewhere. Steven's Birthday showed they could easily draw a slighlty more mature looking Steven without him looking too old suddenly. Yet he's still looking like a 10 year old after all of that.

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>>91084853
But do layering errors and misscolorings count as "artistic expression" as well?

Or having two RIGHT hands?

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>>91083327
>It also has GOAT animation and sound.

>>91106875
The background music is good for the style of the show.

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>>91106895
>The background music is good for the style of the show.

>>91083327
>Why the hate?

It's popular. /co/ need to feel like they're special unique snowflakes so once a show reaches a certain level of popularity roughly half the board with automatically begin hating it because hating popular things is how boring people attempt to be unique.

In every case, this will be justified by complaining about "the fandom" even though fandoms have no impact on a show's quality.

>>91106904
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oNcXFlcBJy4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1LsNmHNQSWY

Subjective tastes aside, there's nothing inherently wrong with the soundtrack.

>>91103028
>hating on aivi and surasshu's original score
>hating on a voice cast that consists of a pop star, a broadway performer and Tom Scharpling
Look man, there's a point where you can say shit without watching a show and sound believable because there's enough scrutiny for personal biases and just having a general opinion, but when you start making shit up, it really shows.

Sound-wise, the show couldn't do any better than it already does.

>>91083327
It's an alright show that just got old for me. The episodes and characters just started going through the motions of

>crying
>singing
>existential crisis
>look how inclusive

And I just fell out of it. It's still an alright show to be sure and I like it, but I feel about it the way I feel about Adventure Time: I could do without it.

>>91106917
This. /co/ and /v/ hate the shit out of popular things

Seriously, mention this show (or Star Vs) and Undertale on both boards respectively, and watch the chaos unfold. "cuck" this "reddit" that.

We're no better than the people we mock.

>>91106926
>Dance of Swords

No matter how you feel about this show, that song is dope as fuck.

>>91084371
>>91088729
>this fucking meme
atleast Brian Griffin gets his shit kicked in, Steven doesn't

>>91102872
>"Naw AT was pretty awesome"
citation needed, retard

>>91092888
For some reason I read this whole thing in Peridot's voice.

>>91102872
Aside from the design not changing, Finn has aged at the same rate of a year per ~50 episodes. He should be turning 17 soon.

>>91107091
AT is much, much better than the shit SU has become.

>>91107018
>Like Undertale before it gets popular
>Like Star Vs. before it gets popular
>Like SU before it gets popular
>I can no longer talk about any of these things because people who have never played/watched them recently heard about them from their pseudo-friends and feel the need to shit on them.
>I can only talk about Samurai Jack, DOOM, and The Witcher on /co/ and /v/ because they have protagonists that fit the alpha-male checklist the castrated post-/pol/ edgelords on this site like to self-insert as.

Feels fucking bad man.

For the record, I only started lurking this place again months ago, and posting only recently. There's a lot of food for thought that can go around, but I'm starting to remember why I left this cesspit back in '09. No matter how much bolster this site on a pedestal for its like of a rating system and identifiers, it won't change the fact that it still manages to be a hivemind of insecure contrarians.

>>91107145
same as it ever was
same as it ever was
same as it ever was
same as it ever was

>>91107124
>blatantly retconning everything
>finn being an insufferable meme spount beta faggot
>"much, much better"
citation definitely needed