>Cartoons weren't better in the 90s/early 2000nds it's

Like it's true, with the obvious exception of reboots.

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>>91031379
Stop being a faggot OP

>>91031379
Absolutely true.

>>91031379
it is true.

Anyone who disagrees is either underage or Tumblr. It's an objective fact that animation was in it's prime during the 90s. It never looked better.
>>91031419

>Posts SU

>>91031476
>>91031419
>>91031433
Who invited tumbles?

>>91031511
Do you masturbate to the word "Tumblr" in a regular basis? The social media site isn't an adjective.

>>91031511
>>91031646

>Someone disagrees with my opinion
>They must be from Tumblr

People would like you 90s kids more if you weren't so fucking smug about being born in a particular decade.

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They were no better or worse than today's cartoons.

>>91031690
No one is smug about being born during a specific time. It's just admitting that the 90s had higher quality animation, better writing and more variety. That doesn't make someone a 90s kid.

Early 90s I could sort of get away with, you're still in the tail end of the mid/late-80s creative explosion (which was the best the industry ever was). You've still got stuff like Sandman, Animal Man and Shade still going, for example.

Early 2000s were the drizzling shits, though. We're in a much better place now.

>>91031760

>Higher quality animation
>Better writing
>More variety

All subjective.

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>>91031379
>"b-but 2000s has steven universe!!!"

>>91031787
No it's not. It's an objective fact that hand drawn animation is of higher quality than Flash or ToonBoom. It's also an objective fact that there were more cartoons of different varieties unlike today where action cartoons are dead on TV.
Either way you can't make an argument.

>>91031787
>>91031760
>>91031690
The fact that Samurai Jack coming back is the best thing to happen in American cartoons in years PROVES that todays cartoons aren't as good.

>>91031837

>Objective fact that hand drawn animation is of higher quality than Flash or ToonBoom

I think you need to look up what "objective" means.

And anyway, the 90s had plenty of bad cartoons.

>>91031379
Whenever anyone says this it's either some actual child whose favorite show is Steven Universe or some old John K fuck who thinks everything is garbage if it isn't handpainted by a suicidal chainsmoker.

>>91031860
/thread

>>91031379
There were cartoons in the 90s/early 2000s
Now all we have is SpongeBob and teen Titans go

>>91031860

But Samurai Jack isn't a 90s cartoon, you dumbfuck.

>>91031907
Its an early 2000's cartoon you dumbshit.

>>91031865
It doesn't matter how many bad cartoons there were, all that matters is the amount of good cartoons. It's why the 90s were such an amazing time for videogames because there were anywhere from 3/10s to 10/10s released every month unlike today where nearly all games are simply 7/10s.

>>91031929

But he was saying that 90s were the peak of cartoons.

>>91031821
that's the 2010s you retard

>>91031941
He said 90s/Early 2000s, learn how to read.

>>91031933

>The 90s were such an amazing time for video games

Most of the video games from the 90s have aged terribly, at least the ones in the N64-PS1 era.

>>91031941
Read the OP

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>>91031379
>not realizing every era of media has its own merits
what a fucking plebian

>>91031981
the sprite-based gamed beat all the shit released in the past 15 years

t. /vr/ represent

>>91031933
>It doesn't matter how many bad cartoons there were, all that matters is the amount of good cartoons.
t. Nostalgiafag

"I can agree some TV shows may have been better in the 90s than some today, but that doesn't mean today doesn't have shows that beat the ones you remember fondly."

Or something.
>>91031933
That means the 70s could be a golden age of animation if it had a few good ones, in the sea of repetitive garbage.

>>91031933

You can't just cherrypick all the good cartoons. The 90s had just as many bad cartoons as any other decade.

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Where have the true patricians gone?

>>91031999
You are the pleb anon. Every Era does have it's Merits and the 90s and 2000nds were videogames and cartoons.

90's cartoon were great because of all the 40s and 50s stylistic choices and cultural references.

Modern cartoons are shit because of all the 80's stylistic choices and cultural references.

The 80s were the worst decade for culture. The 10s are awful because they are paying tribute to the 80s. Fuck your synthwave, vaporwave, future funk, Steven Universe and whatever other neon purple and pink bullshit you faggots love to circlejerk over.

>>91032021
You are so retarded it's funny.
Are you telling me you would rather have 10 7/10 cartoons released than 10 10/10 cartoons + 100 1/10s?

>>91032084

The 80s are better than the 90s.

>>91032053
Yes you can because I don't have to watch bad cartoons.

>>91032098

>I can't refute his argument, so I'm gonna call him retarded

>>91032110
Not for cartoons. They had the best movies though.

>>91032110
Evidently not, as proven by today's 80's revivalist culture.

I agree with the sentiment. I could write up a long rant about why I think so, but I don't think anyone gives a shit, so I'll keep it brief.

The 90s witnessed the shift of the cartoon industry from toy-driven to network-driven. We are witnessing a shift today, from episodic-driven to plot-driven. With every shift comes a standing few of groundbreakers and a lot of garbage. That's no different today than it was in the 90s.

I think cartoons today are better in some ways than 90s cartoons, and worse in others. All and all, it balances out.

>>91032053
The problem is, there are virtually no good cartoons nowadays. Cherrypicking makes no difference now.

>>91032117

You don't have to watch good cartoons either.

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I show them this picture.

>>91032098
>>91032117
The problem is you're trying to assert this ENTIRE decade is "objectively" better. That means you must consider everything it had to "offer".

>>91032079
I don't understand what you're getting at. it sounds like you're agreeing with me.

>>91032135
I actually just did. Sorry you are too underage to read.

>>91032154
>We are witnessing a shift today, from episodic-driven to plot-driven.
Which is a very, VERY BAD IDEA.

>>91032154
fucking this.

>>91031379
It's true. The vast majority was shit, but because we weren't all on Internet forums dissecting the hell out of them, we didn't really notice it. A lot of old nicktoons for example are flat out terrible. You have gems like Rocko and Hey Arnold, but then you also have terrible toons like Angry Beavers, CatDog, Rocket Power, Wild Thornberries, etc. We have memes and remember them sort of fondly sure, but those cartoons do not stand the test of time, and they'd get shat on endlessly if they were airing today.

>>91032189

>Wanting episodic driven instead of plot driven

Pleb.

>>91032168
>>91032173

Ok, but of course I would want to watch the good stuff and not watch the bad stuff. I guess if only one cartoon was made this decade and it was a 8/10 it would be the best decade for animation by this stupid logic because hurr durr it has a good average score!

>>91032209
it depends on the genre honestly.

>>91032224

The point was you don't HAVE to watch the good stuff. I'm sorry you lack reading comprehension.

>>91032207
The vast majority of any medium will be bad, what matters are the good cartoons, you can always just not watch the bad ones.

>>91031379
It isn't a good argument because it is a blanket statement.

>>91032243
That's a retarded point and doesn't make any sense.

>>91032172
>the most memorable cartoons of 5-6 decades versus 4 where one doesn't even reflect the show (Dipper)
You sure showed us...

>>91032175
>>91032224
You're the one who's fucking stupid and assblasted to boot. This thread isn't about specific cartoons that you can or can't watch, it's about the decade AS A WHOLE. Do you understand now?

>>91032271

No, it's a valid point. You don't HAVE to watch a cartoon, whether it's good or not.

>>91032277
Yeah and it was better because there were more great cartoons.

>>91032245
Then why not apply that same logic to the cartoons of today?

>>91032290
You don't have to breath, that is just as valid of a point.

>>91032189
No it isn't. The same exact phenomenon happened to live action TV, or any other creative medium, really. It's inevitable and allows for a wider range of content to be created. There will always be episodic cartoons because their formula is tried and true, but plot-driven cartoons are the new frontier, and only a fool avoids that opportunity to make bank.

>>91032326

>Comparing watching a cartoon to something you HAVE to do to live

I think you might be retarded.

>>91032312
I do. The best cartoons of the last 7 years weren't as good as the best cartoons of either the 90s or early 2000nds.
Case in point, the best cartoon currently airing is Samurai Jack.

>>91032327
episodic cartoons that have connected backing plots > episodic cartoons with no connected backing plots >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shit >>>>>>>>>>>>. exclusively plot-driven cartoons

>>91032355
>makes a retarded point
But apparently you must have decided at some point not to breath considering how dumb your posts are.

>>91032390

At least I'm not a nostalgiafag.

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>there are no good modern cartoons
explain THIS

>>91032209
>>91032230
>>91032327
>>91032385
A huge part of the problem with modern cartoons is that the renewed focus on overall plot allows for a much greater number of terribly written individual episodes, since most of the audience will likely keep watching for plot alone.

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>>91032385

Reminder that the 90s also had Mega Alien Babies and The Wacky World of Tex Avery.

>>91032402
Except i'm not. You are just retarded.
Unless of course you can post cartoons released in the last 5 years that are as good as the best cartoons airing in the 90s and early 2000nds.

>>91032430
No one said this, it's just that there are far less good ones. Gumball, Clarence are all I can really think of right now on CN. Netflix is getting a lot of good shows too.

>>91032461

>5 years

You mean 7. You can't count.

Also, people have more choices for cartoons now. They can watch web-exclusive cartoons, or Netflix originals.

>>91032491
No, I said 5 and meant it because I am counting 95's to 2000 and 2000 to 2005 to make it more fair.
But if you want 7 years go ahead, that will actually make it harder.

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>People separate movies into different time periods and people generally agree that there's a lot of different good movies from different time zones, but the times between the late 70s and late 80s were the most culturally relevant, and before that people generally agreed the black and white golden era Hollywood era was the best before they broke the boundaries

>somehow you can't do the same with animation, even though the japs do it all the time by referencing the golden era of Otaku gundam shit all of the fucking day, and because nobody has a consensus on what the golden age of animated stuff is so that they can be emulated and then naturally evolved, the medium doesn't move forward and can only stay the same or regress

The nostalgia argument is whats killing the animation industry.

Embrace the old masters and evolve, or lay in mediocrity.

>>91032430
>>91032488
>Gumball
>Clarence
>good

>>91032521
>>91032488
Netflix shows are also of a significantly poorer quality than 90's network shows.

Modern media is more accessible than ever before, but it all comes at the sake of quality.

>>91032365
Preferring a single cartoon which dates back to the 00s is subjective and does not mean that the entire 90s/00s era was a grand time where all the cartoons were better on average than what we have to deal with now. Furthermore, we aren't comparing it to anything in the same lane, considering action cartoons aren't as much of a thing nowadays.

At best it just means we have a good cartoon from that time period that's getting a second wind in the present.

>>91032524

7 years would be the decade so far. 5 years would only go to 2012.

>>91032534
I hear the same shit with videogames too.
>1998 alone had more revolutionary games than the last 7 years combined
>I-It's nostalgia!

>>91032565
This. All of this.

>>91032447
Sort of, but not quite. The problem is that there is no tried and true formula, and the current creators that started this boom were/are, for the most part, rather inexperienced at running a show. It's why Genndy is kicking ass at the same challenge. The man has decades of experience over Sugar and Hirsch, especially in leading a team of creators to bring a coherent vision together. It's why WoY was infinitely better than most popular episodic cartoons - Craig knows what he wants and how to get it from his crew. In time, Sugar and Hirsch will learn from their previous experiences and bring even greater things to us. Or, they'll end up like John K.

>>91032570
Don't name a single, name several.
You amount of good to amazing cartoons are what matters.

>>91032565

>Implying there's a 90s cartoon with the character development and deep themes of Bojack

>>91032488
The ratio of good to shit cartoons is pretty consistent if you want to be honest. For every good 90s cartoon, you had a bunch of shit ones, and the shit ones always filled the air schedule.

>>91032534
>>91032594
Do you really think it's by accident?
Making quality stuff = hard. Bring the whole industry down to your level and profit = easy.

>>91032538
explain why it's bad and tell us some good cartoons

>>91032618
>character development and deep themes of Bojack

PLease tell me this is bait,

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Late 90s-mid 2006 awesome
Late 2006-2009 sucked
2009-2015 renaissance in animation
2015-now falling back into a rut of staleness

>>91032608
The 90s had many animators that were veterans to the industry from as far back as the 50s. Most flash animators are new and none of them have mastered their art yet and we don't even know if they ever will.

>>91032635

It's not bait. It's a fact.

>>91032447
This. It's kind of like with comics.

If you don't have the skill to make a short superhero issue in a condensed style interesting, why the fuck would you have the ability to make a long form epic story interesting?

Writers have forgotten how to make really good standalone stories, the "every episode is like a mini movie" thing is needlessly dead. You can't watch a steven universe episode out of order or context and just enjoy it the same way you would something like samurai jack, which excelled in episodic storytelling.

While the idea of one big picture might sound like it makes things deep, it actually ends up making the entire thing more mediocre for one sometimes not even worth it pay off.

>>91032619
But again, average doesn't matter. A horrible cartoon doesn't make an amazing cartoon less amazing.

>>91031379
They're true for the most part, but I thoroughly enjoy today's /co/

>>91032637
>Late 2006-2009 sucked
>2009-2015 renaissance in animation
the first of those had ATLA at the very least
the second... um...

>>91032691
Avatar came out in 2005

>>91032657
>muh existential nihilism

wow so deep

>>91032753

>Existential nihilism
>Not the brilliant satire

>>91031379
I think cartoons hit higher peaks after that time, but it was a better time to just turn on Nick or CN and watch what's on.

I can understand preference for either era as long as we both agree mid-late 2000's was shit except for AtLA.

>>91032682
And we have relatively amazing cartoons today, such as Gumball, Venture Bros, Archer, American Dad, etc. which are very easily comparable to the best cartoons the 90s had to offer.

So if we're talking best of the best and it doesn't matter how much of a sea of shot th diamonds are in, why are we even having this conversation at all?

>>91032722
Half of it came out during that period, though.
Yes, that's 30 out of 61 episodes. I looked it up.

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>nostalgia is bad!
>literally every great art movement has been about bringing back the good stuff from the old and perfecting it for the present

The idea that art has to be experimental and full of critical theory to be good is a relatively new and failed post modernist idea

What will /co/mblr say next
>New 52 was just as good as the older comics, it's just nostalgia!

>>91032789
>Gumball
>American Dad
these two are part of the reason modern cartoons are shit

>>91032805

>Implying the 90s weren't the worst decade for comics

>>91032782
How is satire "deep".

Family Guy satirizes shit all the time but it is the most shallow cartoon on right now.

>>91032789
Venture bros started in the early 2000nds and American dad started in 2005. You are only proving my point.
So you really only have 2 examples.

It's kinda true.

The problem is that their just isn't as many cartoons airing as before.

I would say the ratio back then was for every 5 decent shows there was 2 bad.

Now it's more like 50/50. You're either gonna love it or hate it, but because the grand total of cartoons(I think cartoon network only has 3 shows now it airs daily) has reduced.you notice the more mediocre to terrible shows more.

>>91032823
Except Marvel and DC were better back then. Spiderman, Flash and GL peaked in the 90s.

>>91032839

>Not seeing that Bojack does satire better than Family Guy, and doesn't confuse being as offensive as possible for being funny

I think you're just dumb.

There's plenty of shit cartoons from the 90's and early 2000's. I'm sick of muh nostalgia.

>>91032849
If you think it's anywhere near 50/50, I'm not sure I can even imagine how low your standards must be.

>>91032885
It doesn't matter how many bad cartoons there were, only the amount of good ones.

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>>91032869
Yeah sure, but that doesn't make Bojack deep.

And why are you moving the goalposts so much? i've been replying to bait this entire time havent i.

>>91032885

It's because nostalgiafags want to cherrypick the good cartoons.

>>91032885
the bad shit was filtered-out by the passage of time

do you seriously think that steven universe & co. will be filtered-out by the passage of time as well?

>>91032930
See >>91032900
Dumb shit.

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>>91032849
This is more of a consequence of tv dying.

Serialized live action tv got as big as it did because of streaming services, but those can be pumped out relatively quick compared to animation. However, videogames outperform all mediums currently, even indie games produce more for individuals than a job at an animation studio.

All evidence points to traditional animation as a form of film dying out in favor as a technique for videogame development, for the most part, with a few outliers. Even the big money cash machine that is disney Pixar and DreamWorks have been underperforming.

The dream is dead, it all returns to nothing.

>>91032900

Except the number of bad cartoons DOES matter. You have to judge the decade by the good AND bad.

They aren't wrong

Some shows are only good because of the year they were released and tolerable

Ka Blam can literally only be appreciated back in the 90's or watching it knowing the style 90's shows have

>>91032986
This.

The 90s wouldn't have had as many good cartoons if the 80s hadn't had so many shit kid toy commercial cartoons.

>>91032447
Honestly this makes sense, episodic comedy needs to keep its episodes at least pretty good while a show based around its whole can get away with filler.

>>91032661
>You can't watch a steven universe episode out of order or context

I get what you're saying, but not the best example at the rate the plot's going right now.

>>91032986
No, I have to judge it as a consumer and as a consumer I would much rather have a situation where there are 20 great cartoons and 100 bad ones that 120 decent ones.

>>91032986
>>91033031
This is some retarded mental Gymnastics. It was better to be a viewer in the 90s than in the 2000nds. That is all that matters.

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>>91031379
The literal animation was better in previous eras, but I feel like the rise of Netflix and push for serialized television has forced showmakers to put more effort into writing and storytelling. Given that, there's an argument to say today's animated entertainment is "better," whatever that means. It all depends on what you're looking for in a show.

>>91033094

You have to judge the decade as a whole, not just the good cartoons. I don't know why the 90s seem to be immune to this kind of thing.

>>91033153
>You have to
Only if you are an idiot.
Again, would you rather have 20 amazing shows and 100 horrible wants or 120 mediocre shows?

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This was,at one point, the lineup the big three had sometime in the mid early 2000s, ignoring live action shows for the sake of /co/

CN
>PPG
>Dexter
>Johnny Bravo
>EENE
>Grim Adventures
>KND
>Courage
>Sheep in the big City
>Robot Jones
>Class of 3000
>Squirrel Boy
>Lazlo
>Puffy AmiYumi
>Time Squad
>Megas XLR
>Cow And Chicken
>I Am Weasel
>Mike Lu and Og
>Clone Wars
>Juniper Lee
>Teen Titans
>Various other DC shows, such as Justice League and the Batman

Nick+Nicktoons
>Hey Arnold
>CatDog
>Angry Beavers
>Thornberrys
>Rocket Power
>As Told By Ginger
>Kablam!
>Invader Zim
>Jimmy Neutron
>Chalkzone
>Danny Phantom
>MLaaTR
>The X's
>Mr Meaty
>Catscratch
>Fairy Odd Parents
>Spongebob
>Ren and Stimpy
>Rocko
>Real Monsters

Disney
>Recess
>Proud Family
>Kim Possible
>Lilo and Stitch
>Jake Long: American Slong
>The Replacements
>The Buzz on Maggie
>Brandy and Mr Whiskers
>Emperors New School
>Dave The Barbarian
>Hercules
>Buzz Lightyear
>House of Mouse (GOAT)
>Pepper Ann
>Lloyd in Space
>Teamo Supremo
>Teachers Pet


Honestly, there was some garbage dredged up over all those years, but if you take out those you're still with more then a handful of decent shows. (Atleast CN anyway, haven't rewatched most of the Nick and Disney cartoons in years.)

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Cartoon Network didn't become popular by showing one cartoon all day every day

>>91033184

You can't just cherrypick the good stuff from a decade. You're not looking at it objectively if you do. I don't know why you don't understand this simple concept.

>>91033204
>>91033219
I think one thing anybody can agree on is that network practices have gotten worse after the economic collapse.

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>>91033219

>>91033224
Yes you can. The 90s were better as a viewer. If I was forced to watch every cartoon ever airing then I might think differently but I am not. All that matters to the consumer is the media he chooses to consume.
This is why videogames are horrible now because everything is a 7/10 but back in the 90s I could easily find a lot of 9s and 10s and not buy the trash.

>>91033252
The 2008 crisis ruined a lot of stuff.
>Cartoons got worse
>TV got worse
>Videogames got worse
Everyone now wants to play it safe.

>>91033279

Why do you keep bringing up video games? It has nothing to do with this topic.

>>91033326
It's an example. But even then cartoons are worse simply because the big 2 stations only play the same cartoon over and over.

>>91033309
Vidya got double-hit in terms of risk-taking, since budgets were shooting up without the 08 crisis.

I can't really judge myself since I'm a manchild who barely watches live action TV and even fewer dramas, but there seems to be a solid contingent who think nowish (or just a few years ago, definitely while Breaking Bad aired) is a golden age for it.

>>91033309
Well, TV and cartoons don't technically HAVE to play it safe, but the scare helped production companies realize it's the easiest way to yield mass profit. Modern editing software has abstracted a lot of the old skills necessary for TV production so that it's cheaper to produce, even if it's noticeably worse.

Video games, on the other hand, have gotten ridiculously expensive to produce. AAA companies basically play Russian Roulette with bankruptcy, and the more holes they can add to the chamber the better. The only part of gaming that's gotten easier is the indie scene, as people have gotten easier access to highly abstracted game dev tools that require little to no programming knowledge to use.

>>91033502
TV is dying but some how it's actually making better shows. I am not exactly sure how a dying medium is making better shows than it used to but it's almost sad to see it go.

>>91031379
I don't know, all I believe is that at some point in time nostalgiafags were right, things aren't always improving, they're more like stock trade graphs. So yes, at some point in time people who said things in the past were better were right. I can't tell you if this is true as of this moment right now though, ask later, hindsight makes everything clearer.

>>91033515
The problem with vidya is that proper commercial release costs got shoved up and indie games haven't improved enough to fill the gap; they may never in terms of non-technical factors, artistic talent doesn't obey Moore's law.

Today is an unprecedented wonderland for small teams trying to get into the market, but a nightmare for games from B-divisions of larger companies. Lots of games like Phoenix Wright can now be easily produced and released, but Phoenix Wright itself would be impossible now.

>>91032898
I'm not saying your wrong. I'm a fan of rwby and that shits fucking a 6/10 at best. I would say currently the worst cartoon on air is Nuppg, but I would also argue that gumball is pretty good. Not perfect, but good enough to say a larger majority prefer it.

>>91033204
>>91033219
>>91033252
>>91033309
>>91033502
>>91033515
>>91033581
The global economic crisis ruined pretty much everything. I'd go into detail, but this isn't /pol/. (Or /g/, for that matter.)

>>91031379
Cartoons try to hard to be dramatic and realistic these days. I liked when cartoons could be cooky, silly and crazy without utilizing many memes, pop culture references, or just acting flat out retarded like that pickle and peanut bullshit or Teen Titans Go!. Also pandering to certain races or sexual preferences in unnatural , in your face ways is just annoying as all hell.

>>91033219
Tell me about Thursday, why does it air the TTGO?

>>91033581
A lot of it's through streaming, though for all I know maybe that's having problems too.

I suppose TV's at a level of hardship where it's motivated enough to really try to improve and not so destitute as to be unable. The best-performing companies can just coast along, and even have an incentive to do so because rocking the boat can mean angry shareholders.

>>91033786
>I'd go into detail, but this isn't /pol/

Jews ?

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>>91032534
This.

I'm glad to say that the past decade has provided great cartoons that surpassed the greatest cartoons in the decades before it. However, I'd be a fool to deny that the overall ratio of decent quality hasn't been screwed up in this decade. From what I've seen, western animation eras that consisted of the greatest variety and best use of tools were 1935-1955 and 1987-2006.

>>91033884
I was referring to the political (and technological) effects of the crisis.

If people from 20 years ago were allowed to say that the cartoons from the 60s, 70s, and 80s were terrible, then people should be allowed to point out decades when they were better.

They were certainly animated better

>>91033884
>Jews ?
Pretty much.

>>91034209
>I'm glad to say that the past decade has provided great cartoons that surpassed the greatest cartoons in the decades before it.
We're REALLY gonna need some examples, anon.

>>91034432
Tumblr loves this new decade because most of the creators browse it.

They're pretty much the same. There were just more, and the bad ones died faster.

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>>91034500
When I was typing that out, I was just thinking about my favorite shows from the 1980s and 1990s and comparing them to my favorite shows from the 2000s and 2010s, and then being honest with myself in regard to which ones I think holds up over the other. So, even with my preferences toward 90s and early 2000s trends, I still can't help but have stuff like Last Airbender, Tron Uprising, TMNT 2003, and Ed Edd n Eddy as favorites of all time since those shows had quality more consistent throughout their runs and entertained me the most.

>>91033279
>90s were better as a viewer
How old were you during the 90's ?

>>91035178
Dunno about anon there, but as for me, many of my current favorite cartoons I only found out about relatively recently, long after their original airings. And guess what? 90s/00s greatly overrepresented.

>>91035178
It has nothing to do with age. Many of my favorite videogames and cartoons of all time came from the 90s and many of those were ones I didn't watch until recently.

>>91031860
Yet the PPG reboot is absolute garbage. Samurai Jack being good has nothing to do with the quality of the original.

>>91037111
PPG reboot is nothing like the original and the new SJ is a continuation and is of the same quality as the original.
Please leave underage

>>91037305
But it's only good because Genndy is working on it. If they got anyone else to make it then it would probably be shit.

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>>91031690

>>91038099
Well duh. That is the point. You get 90s creators and it suddenly becomes good.

>>91031821
>implying Steven Universe is good

I don't think so. There were plenty of shitty cartoons in the 90s and plenty of good ones as well, just like there are plenty of good and garbage cartoons now. People who claim this are just nostalgia driven.

>>91038835
Thats stupid. That's like saying someone is just being nostalgic for liking the golden age of animation.

>>91031379
Say every era had it's good and bad shows

>>91031379
Only good show was animaniacs

>>91033786
>I'd go into detail, but this isn't /pol/.
Please don't feel shy
It's relevant to the thread

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>>91031690
Quit being a faggot

>>91048888
Come on quadposter, it's obvious. Ever since the crisis happened, it feels like voting itself has become irrelevant: all politicians act pretty much the same regardless of party, and even when there are real differences (e.g. Trump) the outcome is highly unlikely to be much better for ordinary people, as opposed to those in power.

And no, it wasn't "always like that". Even in, say, the 2000 election there was a real choice (and the people made the one they correctly thought would benefit them, but it was overridden by bullshit systemic corruption). If you go back further, you see politicians who consistently fought for the little guy (and usually lost because the other side was more powerful). Nowadays, both the right AND left have descended into utter madness overall.

(This has been happening virtually everywhere - I'm just using US examples for familiarity.)

>>91034592
this

>>91031379
Depends entirely on what kind of criteria you're judging cartoons on.

>>91032618
The Simpsons.

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>Cartoons were objectively better during one decade for reasons I find to be self evident and it just happens to be the decade I was a child but don't call me a nostalgiafag
Fuck off OP

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>>91032618
Uhh, guys?

>>91054486
You realize that several anons ITT have mentioned first watching this stuff long after it aired, right? Blows your little theory right out of the water, anon.

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I think they're wrong. Sometimes idiots, depending on their argument or what modern cartoons they choose to represent modern cartoons being good.

Besides, I judge cartoons on their own merit, but fact remains cartoons today are stymied by one thing or another or forced to be something in particular. Forcing in SJW/Politically Correct/Personal Social and Political Agendas hurt modern cartoons. in the 80's it was less heavy handed, like say, COPS which had a black main character and the smartest/strongest characters were women, but they didn't bring attention to it. Or in Gummy Bears where the Princess often saves the Squire wanna-be Hero who wants do the cliche Rescue The Princess thing.

Let's not also forget the people today are fucking stupid, vain, petty and vapid, and many cartoons today are either written by those people or are pandering to those people.

>>91054461
and of course, older Simpsons is superior to modern Simpsons.

>>91054595
People today are fucking stupid, vain, petty and vapid in general, nothing to do with cartoons.

>>91054611
What I'm saying is those people are in charge of cartoons today, which is usually why the cartoons they make suck or are retarded in some way.

>>91054595
>Oh no gay people exist
>Oh no muslims exist

Get the fuck over yourself

>>91054595
>oday are stymied by one thing or another or forced to be something in particular. Forcing in SJW/Politically Correct/Personal Social and Political Agendas hurt modern cartoons.
Nothing is being forced. It's what the creator wnt to do. simply. Your montage show nothing intrinsically wrong.

>>91054595
I get the hate against forced messages in shows (like the 90's were any better with their forced racial rainbow brigades + gimp hanger-on), but I like how Steven Universe went full circle and had plots with messages like "don't fucking murder people outright just because they're on the wrong side" and "people with different/offensive opinions and beliefs are still people", and I firmly believe the Zoomans were a stand-in for the worst portions of their fanbase that freak out when something upsets them even slightly in their safespaces.

>>91054630
Ah, I was confused by your use of "the" before "people" - I thought you were referring to cartoon creators or something. This is why grammar is important, folks!

>>91054667
>>91054650
This is the kind of shit I'm talking about.

>>91054872
I legitimately do not understand your complaint. It's "forcing in" if it's something you don't like seeing?

>>91054595
>Oh, do not be misgendering whatever the fuck she's called

You can't make this shit up

>>91054595
>>91054650
>>91054667
>>91054715
>>91054872
>>91054924
>>91054950
The key difference: in the 90s, creators usually wanted to put this stuff in because they thought it would "make the world a better place" and stuff like that, as the common thinking went.
Nowadays, they generally do it to pander to a certain portion of the audience and/or get many people to ignore their other failings (à la LOK).

>>91054994
> in the 90s, creators usually wanted to put this stuff in because they thought it would "make the world a better place" and stuff like that, as the common thinking went.
Nowadays, they generally do it to pander to a certain portion of the audience and/or get many people to ignore their other failings (à la LOK).

That's a spicy opinion you have there anon. Certainly not tainted by any sort of bias and totally based on objective fact.

>>91055078
It's not an opinion at all. It's literally what many of them made/make clear in one way or another.

>>91055096
Of course, anon. It makes total sense. Everyone after the 90's suddenly stopped doing things for altruistic reasons and did it purely to pander to some nebulous overmind. That doesn't sound insane at all.

>>91055118
>everyone
>purely
Meanwhile, in my actual post:
>usually
>generally
Learn to read before you criticize, OK?

>>91032608
I'm with you 100%. Between switching to digital and most show runners being fairly new, things are rough right now. They have the potential to get a shitton better though.

>>91034467
Shut up /pol/ that's your answer to everything.Last week you blamed them becaue your crops didnt grow and because your goldfish drowned

>>91031860
Samurai Jack was exceptional in the early 2000s, too. It wasn't the norm.

>>91031379
>I can name more good cartoons across a decade and a half than I can across a single point in time
Go be retarded somewhere else OP.

>>91056568
We're comparing the past decade (and a half?) to previous ones. Don't be so obtuse.

I feel that if you are questions what makes older cartoons better than modern ones and youe only reasoning is "b-because it just is" I ssd every reason to dismiss it as nostalgia.

>>91056610
>Cartoons weren't better in the 90s/early 2000nds it's just nostalgia
Is absolutely correct.

>>91054595
>Let's not also forget the people today are fucking stupid, vain, petty and vapid,

It's been like that from the jump though.

>>91031837
>It's an objective fact that hand drawn animation is of higher quality than Flash or ToonBoom.
Wander Over Yonder and Motorcity shit all over the animation of 99% of traditionally animated cartoons.

>>91031379
Cat and Dog was shit. Lots of shows back then were shit. However, these respective eras had some of the best cartoons to date. Hey Arnold, Recess, Justice League, Power Puff Girls, original Spongebob, BTAS, STAS, Courage the Cowardly Dog, EEE, Gennedys Star Wars, etc. Some of these shows shaped the future for the golden age, and we have these decades to thank.

Why can we not realize that there were plenty of shit cartoons back then, just like right now? Albeit moreso now because of all the dumb reboots - minus Samurai Jack.

>>91056625
Nobody's saying that - except the valiant defenders of modern cartoons, when setting up strawmen.
>>91056632
Like this shitposter right here.

>>91032798
>Photography was good when it tried to emulate painting

>Film was good when it was trying to emulate stage plays

>>91031837
Oh please, Hand drawn animation has had it just as bad as Flash/ToonBoom-based tweening. You just can't admit it.

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>>91031379
>Cartoons weren't better in the 90s/early 2000nds it's just nostalgia
I actually agree to a certain extent. The fact of the matter is, people who talk about how godlike 90's cartoons were almost always block out the hundreds of mediocre or absolutely dismal ones from their memory(or as the one autist in this thread does, just says that the bad ones don't count.) Hell, there are cartoons that I thought were awesome as a kid that when I go back to see if they still hold up, I realize that they were nowhere near as good as I thought they were. The 90's Spider-man cartoon is one of the biggest examples, at least to me.

Tldr: Yes, the 90's had good shows, but it had a far larger number of average to awful shit that most people don't want to acknowledge or remember.

>>91031379
It's correct. Every decade has a pretty similar ratio of good to bad cartoons.

People remembering the early '90s filter out all the bad ones and only remember the good ones from across their entire childhoods, and remember the okay ones as being better than they were.

Over the Garden Wall, Wander Over Yonder, Bojack Horseman, The Spectacular Spider-Man, Batman: The Brave and the Bold, and Sym-Bionic Titan are all kino.

SU, Gravity Falls, Motorcity, Green Latern TAS, Flapjack, Chowder, Wakfu, Clarence, Rick & Morty, Metalocalypse and Gumball would all be remembered as great if you grew up with them.

>>91032637
>2009-2015 renaissance in animation
lol things that never happened.

>>91031379
It's true for western but it's false for anime.

I don't really find 90s nostalgia anymore annoying than 80s nostalgia. But at least the people who have 90s nostalgia tend to be people who were older than 6 when the decade ended.
I remember this trans girl who was born in Dec '85 and she said if she had a time machine she'd go back to December, 31, 1979 and have a great decade. I was baffled.

>>91057386
I know, right? One would actually want to travel to January 20, 1981, Where Ronnie got inaugurated and the decade kicked off proper.

>>91057261
Most of the shows on your second list are pure shit, and the first list isn't all that great either.

>>91056655
I actually agree with you on Motorcity.
Too bad its writing is shit, though.

>>91031379
I call them a nostalgiafag but then go back and watch cartoons from early 00's and realise they were 100% right

>>91033252
This is pretty much the only logical point in this thread desu

>>91058115
Wait, what?

Can't we just be happy it's not the 70's or the CN Real era anymore? I enjoy(ed) the cartoons of the 80's and 90's but, I enjoy many of today's cartoons as well.

It's a mix. There were more quality cartoons in the early 2000s, but if they came out today several of them wouldn't be taken well. Like how 10 different shows had the exact same drawing style and sound effects

>>91058047
90s and early 2000s cartoons weren't any better.

I'm just strictly speaking of Nickelodeon here, but I feel Rocket Power kicked off an entire era of just painfully unwatchable shit for that network, and that dark era didn't start to erode until Avatar came around.

>>91058432
There were lots of gems.

>>91058377
Please tell me this is a pure shitpost. PLEASE TELL ME THIS IS A PURE SHITPOST!

>>91058467
As there have been since.

>>91031690
It wouldn't be bad if rl cartoonists would not have actual tumblr account and listen to your cancerous garbage.
>inb4 me no tumblr

>>91058506
Not really, no. It's ludicrously difficult to find even one decent cartoon these days - wasn't like that.

>>91058603
I know taste is subjective, but the shows listed in >>91057261
Were at least as good as any cartoon from the decade before.

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Reminder that incompetent Bostonian cops were the reason for the ultimative decline of Cartoon quality.

>>91033279
>This is why videogames are horrible now because everything is a 7/10 but back in the 90s I could easily find a lot of 9s and 10s and not buy the trash.
/v/ loves this meme but I have never, ever enjoyed going back to the SNES games I liked as a kid as much as I've enjoyed the Soulsborne franchise.

To be honest I think /v/ poisoned their own well years ago with their eternal search for a new The Old Republic to shout "Blunder of the Year!" at. I get that there was a stretch of time between 2011 and 2014 where things were kind of shitty but the first three months of this year have pumped out more 9/10 tier games than any entire year of the last console generation and it's time to maybe admit nostalgia plays a big part in how you think about games, too.

>>91058654
OH MY GOD ITS A BOMB

>Comic fans think everything new is shit and all hate each other
>Cartoon fans think everything new is shit and hate each other
>Vidya fans think everything new is shit and hate each other
>Dungeons and Dragons is enjoying the most active community and highest sales it's seen since it's inception and finding a group to play with is easier than ever

It's days like these that really affirm I backed the right horse with the nerd hobby I threw in with when I was a kid

>>91032172
Ok now post the other one

>>91058987
You're so brave and controversial for claiming 1(one) franchise that's received near universal critical acclaim is better than shovelware you enjoyed as a kid.

>>91059101
I'm actually quite interested in what factors triggered the D&D revival. Do tell.

>>91059276
>Wow so brave
Whatever. I'd rather replay the Witcher 3 than literally any SNES-era jrpg.

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>>91031379
Tell them their lying.
>>91032053
Thqat is false, it had the best gold to crap rate since the 40s.
>>91059136
Here you go.

>>91059320
Probably helps that the individual can dictate the output of D&D on a level that they can't for comics, cartoons, and video games. So there's never gonna be a lot of infighting over story and character and stuff. It's really hard to accuse D&D of even being capable of the kind of stuff that people hate about the other three.
I suck at just about any kind of game though and I don't really like high fantasy or medieval stuff. So I stay far away from D&D myself. But it's interesting to observe from the outside.

>>91059320
I'm no economics expert, but having watched it happen I'd guess it's a number of things working out for Wizards of the Coast all at once.

The new edition is pretty good generally speaking, which I think is one thing that helps. 4th Edition D&D was divisive and controversial for reasons I doubt /co/ is too interested in, but 5e is both a return to form (something that made old players happy) and cuts enough fat off the older edition to feel refined (something that makes getting new players on board really easy)

If I'm to be honest though, I think it might in large part be the media surrounding it in recent years. Matt Mercer (the voice actor) has a twitch stream where he plays D&D with his voice actor buddies and it's apparently one of the most popular streams on the service. There's all sorts of big-name streaming groups that do /tg/ stuff now and whenever I go looking for a group online it feels like there's at least one person who got into the hobby watching Matt Mercer play it. D&D streams and podcasts took off in the last couple of years in a big way, and the guys who publish the game capitalized on that in a big way.

>>91059320
>>91059497
By the way, I'm not that other anon. Just didn't want there to be any confusion here.

>>91059344
This only makes me think you haven't played many SNES era jrpgs

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>>91032691
No, thats the show that started the fuck ups.

In short this.

>>91059799
When Japan does cartoons:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkwaCRWyzpA

>>91059799
That graphic is shit for SO many reasons, ATLA being on it only being a relatively minor one.

>>91032753
>thinking the show is about muh existential nihilism
>not seeing that it's about indivituals searching for happiness and their relationships with eachothers
>with a lot of little reflections about Hollywood's status with shows and actors careers

Did you miss the entire character of Sarah Lynn by any chance?

>>91031379
It's true, the same goes with music. People remember the highlights of past shit and forget about the shitty shit. When it comes to contemporary shit both good and bad shit gets shoved in your face.

>>91060496
This argument was destroyed ITT. Try to keep up.

>>91031892
Not really.

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>>91060513
Except is wasn't

>>91031379
Like it's bullshit because I constantly watch old cartoons that I never did back when I was young. A good example is Moville Mysteries. Amazing show, much better than a lot of the stuff airing right now.

>>91032084
>People love to circle jerk Samurai Jack
?

>>91060548
Because Tumblr didn't exist back then.

>>91060548
This is basically every comment on YouTube about earlier media.

>>91032154
>from episodic-driven to plot-driven
I hope you don't mean SU, because things only happen in "bombs", much like older cartoons with plot.
SRMTHFGO could barely keep a status quo. A whole season is them chasing the villain in space, while facing the immediate dangers he's causing along the way.

>>91060639
>SU is the only plot driven cartoon of the 10s
Literally what?

>>91060630
A broken clock is right twice a day.

>>91060678
>YouTube comments being right
>ever
Have we gotten to that point yet?

>>91031405
Then you're dumb as shit

>>91031865
>>91031787
Subjective is just a buzzword to avoid discussion at this point.

>>91060665
That was never implied in that post. SU is just a example of people thinking plots in cartoons today are a ground breaking novelty.

>>91060725
More like they're more numerous in numbers and get greater coverage.

>>91060416
Explain.

>early 00s
never speak of that time ever again

>b-but
No. Weaboos literally took over, 4chan was literally founded, the fans in scene exploded, because absolutely everyone abandoned the West for the East at the time.

>>91061298
It's hard to know that you had a love one that died in 9/11 but life moves on.

>>91034857
I understand EEnE, but TMNT 2003, seriously? Tron? Avatar? Come on.

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This is the generation that cancelled SBT, Tron Legacy and Motorcity. It will be forever shit.

>>91060915
Not a single one of the shows in the leftmost column is actually "Japanese" (nobody gives a shit about your technical distinctions), for one thing.

>>91061469
SBT had to be canceled, it fucked up too many things and took until 2015 for the industry to recover from.

>>91061529
TMS is one of Japan leading animation studios, it's Japanese.

>>91061566
Explain

>>91059276

I think you missed the point of his post.

>>91061648
Excuse me for being labeled as TMSGuy, beating a dead horse but...

>Osamu Dezaki wanted to reboot Mighty Orbots but NBC Universal said no.
>Dezaki made a expy for CN and it started production after Genji Monogatari Sennenki was finished.
>Was supposed to be 13 episodes.
>TMS handled production with Telecom animation 4 episodes (1, 7, 11 and 13), very little input from the US, what input the US had was on Genndy (they should of been none, just sound so that it will be pre-synced and budget)
>First batch of episodes were completed in September of 2009, when Genndy did like it CN refused to pay off TMS for the needed $3 million per episode.
>TMS was cut off and the show was delayed by a year so Genndy can "re-tool" it.
>Episode count was bumped up to 20 and TMS was replaced with Rough Draft.
>TMS was forced to do LilPri to pay off the debt.
>Meanwile, CN released Genndy's version and everyone except those wanting to see Dezaki suffer hated it.
>Dezaki ordered the show canceled when at the same time CN was unable to find a toy maker (TMS had Banpresto when they were in control).
>CN canceled it and Dezaki was happy.
>Dezaki died.
>>>>>>Years latter.
>Genndy version airs on Toonami.
>Everyone who is new to it hates it.
>CN sees what they did wrong and ends up selling Titan back to TMS in 2014
>TMS paid off the debt Titan caused in 2015.
>>>>>>After Titan.
>TMS gets Gumball licence.
>TMS (Telecom) was asked to do a scene after Trigger rejected it because of Luluco.
>Kenji Hachizaki was going to directed it.
>TMS (Telecom) wanted to redo the whole episode from scratch because they hated what CN give them.
>CN rejected them because of that and cost and used Studio 4C instead.

http://www.crunchyroll.com/anime-news/2014/09/28/toonami-answers-questions-on-space-dandy-future-dragon-ball-z-kai-schedule-and-more
http://style.fm/as/05_column/itagaki/itagaki218.shtml
http://blog.tms-e.co.jp/archives/50522072.html

>>91061739
Did anything like this happen with Megas, or did it just get screwed over for no real reason?

>>91061784
That just got screwed over for no real reason.

>>91061417
Not an argument

>>91062169
I did not say it was a argument.

>>91061818
feels bad man

>>91062252
Then it's irrelevant

>>91062374
9/11 will never be irrelevant

>>91031379
I'd agree. You always block out shows like
Captain N, Prostars, Adventures of Sonic the Hedgehog, Cramp Twins, Coconut Fred, Reboot, But ugly martians. Angela anaconda.

All those cartoons sucked and that's why no one's nostalgic for them.

>>91062399
autistic, or....?

>>91062415
But Adventures of Sonic the Hedgehog is not only good but it's still the best Sonic cartoon to date.

SatAM was good for what it was worth but Super Robotnik and the 4 part Quest For The Chaos Emeralds are beloved classes.

>>91062458
It's nothing.

>>91062515
I, completely unirionically, would say "Boom" is the best sonic cartoon I've watched.
AoSTH isn't really wacky enough to make me laugh or well animated enough to make up for that.

It doesn't help that that time period had NO SHORTAGE of Psuedo Looney Tunes shows. Honestly among them, the only thing that made it stand out was that the characters were sonic characters.

>>91031379
>20-30 year olds post about how cartoon were better when they were 6-16
>Cartoons seems to go to shit around late adolescence
I wonder why?

>>91062796
no need to wonder my friend
they were simply shit at that time
as illuminated many times in this thread

>>91032534

>The nostalgia argument is whats killing the animation industry.

>Embrace the old.

Bit of a contradiction there don't you think?

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>>91031379
I remember that there are still good cartoons and anime being produced all the time and stop worrying to much about what time period they come from or what other people think of them.

The problem of cartoons in the west has been that they have always had a stigma of being for children and nerds and a nich market. The problem becomes larger as the years go by with new technology that makes it really easy to make cheap cartoons and social media that makes it easier for adults to mentally stay as children.

>>91062796
Yeah, the economy wasn't better when you were a kid. It just so happen that in 2008 you were an edgy teenager and felt like the economy was worse!

90s cartoons were shit. All of them.

>>91031379
This is definitely true everything we have now is about as good as what we had back then sometimes even better

>>91064376
Except movies, videogames, cartoons, comics ect all already had their golden age. Don't be stupid.

>>91064613

Prove it.

>>91064623
>what is this whole thread

>>91031511
Then explain the collective works of Klasky-Csupo.

>>91064678

Or those early computer animated shows. They've aged TERRIBLY.

>>91032789
The key word here is relatively

We're talking about shows that are good on their own, not compared to their contemporaries. There are a few standout shows from the current decade, but they only stand out because they're mediocre in a sea of shit. Great cartoons from past eras are great on their own merits.

>>91064732
This.

The 90s had just as many bad cartoons as any other decade.

>>91064623
The best rated videogames of all time have released in the time period OP mentioned.
The most highly regarded Cartoons ever created were released before 2005.
Sorry you have shit taste.

>>91064678
>Klasky-Csupo
They made great cartoons.
>>91064775
But they had more great ones.

>>91064882

>Best videogames of all time have released in the time period OP mentioned

And a lot of them have aged poorly. You can't seriously say Mario 64 or Goldeneye have aged well.

>>91064907

He means that Klasky-Csupo cartoons look ugly.

>>91064934
>They aged poorly
Not an argument. They are still better than what came after.
Also Mario 64 aged very well.

>>91064980

It is an argument.

And Mario 64 has aged poorly.

>>91065012
It's a great 3D platformer that many still play to this day because of it's great level design.
It has aged well and so have many of the other great videogames. Half-life for example is still one of the best FPS along with DOOM 1.

>>91064934
Media does not age. Aging implies that they have changed or gotten worse, cartoons and video games do not change after they have been created. The world around them does

They didn't age or get worse, they're exactly the same as the day they released. You aged and got worse.

>>91031379
Late 90's was objectively one of the best times for an artist to have their own cartoon. They had a lot more creative freedom, artistic freedom, the industry was not as crowded with striving creators as it is now, and budgets were higher + schedules were MUCH more lenient than they are now. To put it in perspective, Spongebob's average budget back in the day was $300k per 11 minute episodes. That was considered low-budget. That is the standard for most cartoons on air right now.

Not to mention artists were WAY more inspired to bring back animation principles from the golden era after the atrocity of 80's animation.

Whether or not the cartoons were actually good is another thing, but late 90's was indeed the best time to have your own cartoon and not risk shitty scenarios like what Greenblatt had to endure with Harvey Beaks or Making Fiends situations or how CN keeps bombing and leaking all their shows.

>>91065399

>Media does not age

Yes, they do. Play Goldeneye and you'll see that it's aged really badly.

>>91056811
>Instagram didn't become popular because of the more artistic, paint-esque filters

>Frozen didn't wreak face at the box office

>>91065661
Goldeneye plays exactly the same as it did the day it was released. Your skills and coordination may have deteriorated to the point where you are no longer good enough to play it successfully, but that's not a reflection on the game.

In terms of content I agree with this completely, but modern animation is trash.

>>91065776

>Being this far in denial

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>>91064613
Video games haven't even come close to their golden age and is also to young as a medium to even have matured fully. One could argue the PS2 era was something close to a golden age due to the low developer over head needed to produce for the system, paired with the Renaissance of easy to use dev products but I personally would say that it was not and we have yet to see the full potential of video games.
Comics are long past there golden age yes but there is always room for a second golden age, same for cartoons, in fact I would say we are closer to having a new golden age for cartoons now then we were in the 90's due to the internet and crowd funding sources allowing passionate hand animated products a reality again.
Music as a whole is currently in its golden age meanwhile genres within it are very much past their golden ages.
Just my two cents on the matter.

>>91031379

They weren't better because the cartoons then and the cartoons now are just as great.

>>91031379
this has never happened to me as i don't hang out with 5 year olds.

>>91065988
Oh yeah and if anyone asks about movies I'm just going to come out and say I am not qualified enough to say things about movies.

Good is subjective.

>>91031787
Subjective no.
Correct yes.

>>91059451
Nice strawman.

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There's something to be said about how network programming was different back in the 90s.

In the early days of cable, the rulebook for network programming was thrown out and a lot of their content tended to be original, niche and experimental because it was uncharted territory and the balance of who decided what was going to air was more in the hands of creative people rather than corporate suits.

Not only did Cartoon Network, Nickelodeon and Disney Channel have this kind of ecosystem as cable channels, they were pioneers in being a network wholly dedicated to making content targeted at children. So that meant that the creators had even more of the network's vision in their hands.

But as time went on things got solidified. It wasn't the wild west anymore. The executives wrote new rulebooks and formulas for network programming and stuck to them.

Just listen to or read people like Fred Seibert, Joe Murray, C.H. Greenblatt talk about how back then networks were a lot more hands-off and they had a lot more creative freedom.

And you can also look at the shows from the 90s to mid-2000s and compare them to the shows that have come out since 2008 or so. This isn't a statement on quality, but going from show-to-show, the art styles and design philosophies were WAY more distinct in the 90s-2000s but more recently have gotten more similar and even derivative of each other.

>>91065988
That's not worth two cents.

>>91061588
>nobody gives a shit about your technical distinctions

>>91031379
I agree for the most part. We cherry pick the best of that generation and handwave anything that proves otherwise in the current market.

>>91069982
Agreed and It's also worth noting the new frontier of internet streaming. That has really fuck up networks that were use to kids being drop in front of TVs now being handed tablets and smart phones to occupy them. Now networks are pulling their hair trying to understand how to keep their old man ways without going bankrupt. Some like Disney are just accepting the beast and marketing to both, making what is clear a transition between the two mediums. Cartoon Network however is being a stubborn horse and treating streaming as a side dish expecting you to use that media for time killing but still making time for their time slots on TV. In irony their sister company Adult Swim is basically transition over to digital streaming while sharing the traditional network broadcast.
The only reason streaming isn't as phenomenal with experimentation and quality is it was too wild west with networks coming in way to late to entrench or control the market. Where over half the internet users use some form of Ad blocker keeps them from putting money into the market.

>>91033219
Jesus christ.

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2007 was the fulcrum year where animation really went to shit.

2006 was a transitional year where there were hints of what was to come.

>>91064962
Maybe it's a cliche to say it, but the visual design was grotesque on purpose. The animation itself was competent.

>>91033581
Basically the new tech that is eroding TV networks also supports the new approach to TV shows. Before stuff like streaming and Tevo hit, programming assumed that people were at the mercy of the TV schedule, catching the airwaves a certain time of the day, on a certain day of the week to catch an episode. If you weren't a dedicated fan, you had to accept that you would rarely view any given show in the order that it aired, which means most storylines were contained to single episode at a time. It's much easier now for people to watch shows at their leisure, which has increased appreciation for serialized stories.

>>91070592
Yes, they do.
>>91071353
No, that was 2005 when things jumped shark.

What we need to do is kill off features and make TV the new feature class in terms of animation and bring back hand drawn animation since the theaters don't want it.

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>>91031379
over-rated cartoons get rebooted into oblivion
only truly good cartoons die out before their time

>>91074992
I think 2006/7ish was when things jump the shark, 2005 was still great because Avatar came out that year

>>91075453
But Avatar was the show that made things jump shark.

>>91032207

> terrible toons like Angry Beavers, CatDog, Rocket Power, Wild Thornberries

opinion discarded

>>91069982

Get https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Seibert back on board with more variety shorts.

Have polls to vote shows into series. Repeat the successes of the past in a new era.

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See, it's not about the average quality of the cartoons. It's the quantity. Also the fact that the networks are showing the same show all day like as if it's a marathon.

>>91059451
What's wrong about Korra?

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>>91032538
>Gumball
>not good
Watch it, you moron.

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>>91054595

>>91032866
>clone saga
>Zero Hour
fuck you pleb