Finally bit the bullet and watched this for the first time.

>>91002393
>Why am I seeing so many autists here defend this garbage?
You aren't. It's one guy and he's not even serious, he just does it for (You)'s which people are more than happy to give

>>91002393
I should have heard people on /co/ and not watched it on theaters.

After that, the DCEU never had my money again.

>>91002393
>He fell for the kino meme
>He fell for the jar of piss meme

>>91002477
So far that only means you skipped on Suicide Squad though

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What is this fucking blog post? Your opinions are literally worthless. Get the fuck off /co/

>>91002648
But I won't watch WW or JL.

There are plenty of other movies to enjoy.

>>91002393
NOT MUH

>not muh Superman
>not muh Batman
>not muh childhood
LMAO

>>91002699
People don't have problem with this regarding Hellboy or Logan...

Maybe the movies are just shit....

>>91002393
>so many autists here
by which you mean /tv/

it's too smart of a movie for Marvel Fans
let me see some (you)'s

>>91002724
because no one had opinions on those characters before their respective movie franchises. What a shitty argument

>>91002684
>>91002699
Go back /tv/ Dannyboy

>>91002754
>>91002445
>>91002887

jeesus christ, you anti-dceu fags are so sensative and paranoid. Is it so hard to believe people have different taste than you?

>>91002864
Are you retarded?

/co/ loves Hellboy and everybody knows Wolverine.

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>>91002393
>Finally bit the bullet and watched this for the first time.
No you didn't.

>>91002445
>It's one guy
Delusional.

>>91002908
yeah, AFTER the movies everyone loved Hellboy, and again, no one had any strong "muh" opinions on Wolverine outside of snikt bub. He didnt have tons of different interpretations like Batman and Superman.


Please stop being so retarded.

>>91002913
You know that this is falseflag right?

>>91002724
Yeah Hellboy and The Last of Us are pretty shit.

>>91002393
Yeah I'm sure you just happened to wait until now to see this movie for the ""first time.""

BvS was the best comic book movie of all time. Anyone who says otherwise is trolling. Sorry, something's gotta be #1 and it just happens to be BvS.

@91002895
Then me, sure

Then everyone else on the fucking planet, fuck no

And STILL no (You) for you

That movie beat Civil War in the bluray market abd like a 7/10 on IMDV so yes, people liked it

>>91002951
You have to be 18 to post here kid.

>>91002984
You have to be at least 13 to understand BvS, and since you obviously didn't it looks like you're the underaged one here.

>>91002929
>nobody knew about one of the most popular comic characters ever, and the most popular x-men

Patethic.

And the Hellboy bit still doesn't make sense, because /co/ likes both versions.

>>91002699
You're right on that count. Fidelity isn't the best way to judge the quality of an adaption, at least in my book. There are great adaptions that change a lot from their source material (The Shining, for example).

BvS is still a shoddy film though.

>>91002393
youre not complaining about the right parts. neither does /co/ usually, but /co/ didnt defend it.
the jar of piss is one of the only good aspects. it was a callback. in-context it made sense. luthor was actually kind of cool, he just wasnt luthor
the most basic problem is superman wasn't remotely superman and batman was only like half batman. wondy was fine
but the most SYSTEMIC problem is the shitty way the movie was made, so that even if everything else had been fine this would have tugged it down. almost every time the camera cuts away from something then cuts back, there's a mountain of continuity errors. superman is pulling lois out of the water, then we cut back and she's pulling him out.. or was it vice versa?

>>91002393
>Why am I seeing so many autists here defend this garbage?
/tv/ says they are memeing to make marvel fans upset except everyone just laughs at them

>>91003060
>he just wasnt luthor
t. casual

>>91003104
dude this has been a movie staple
nicholson joker wasn't joker, but he was pretty great
two-face in batman forever wasn't two-face, neither was the riddler the riddler, he was the joker. but they were still good.

>>91002895
It's hard to believe someone liked this movie

>>91003004
>BvS is a deep complicated movie meme

Yeah that surface level psych 101 was really deep kid.

>>91002393
Honestly mate the fact that you are so assblasted shows you don't read comics. Sure you might have watched the cartoons or something but comic readers understand elseworlds which is what this universe is. It's absolutely hilarious that all the people screaming NOT MUH are just fags that watch the cartoons and other movies.

I kind of enjoyed the film. Its a series of bad ideas but I guess I'm just the kind of person that always roots for an underdog film.

>>91003225
It being an elseworkd doesn't excuse it from being a shitty film.

>>91003060
>he just wasnt luthor
He was a shitty character whether or not he was luthor. Putting candy in a senators mouth? Who writes this shit?

>>91003045

This.

BvS wasn't so bad i wish i'd never put it on but it leaves you wanting something better because of its mediocrity, kinda like Netflix Iron Fist.

what am i doing, this isnt the place for rational discussion...

>>91003027
like I said, no one had an opinion about wolverine, not that they didnt know him you retard. No one had a "muh wolverine" because wolverine is more or less a one note character with either hints of samurai or hints of western depending on the writer. And no one has "muh hellboy" because most people were introduced to hellboy through the movie.


goddamn you are bad at just basic reading comprehension

>>91003225
An elseworld can be shit.

Also, if you are doing your cinematic universe, it would make sense to focus on the essence of "Superman" and "Batman", instead of doing weird deconstruction that are mostly made fun of. It feels like a poor attempt of mimicking Whatchman.

>>91002933
it really, really wasnt. The guy 100% meant it until he got called out.

>>91003144
But nicholson Joker WAS joker, just a more golden age gangster joker.

In the same way Carrey Riddler WAS Riddler just Silver-age Riddler (outside of the crazy yelling Carrey did).


And Luthor WAS Luthor he was just more inspired by Birthright's rendition of his silver/golden age version.

>>91002913
He's not wrong

>>91003467
>he doesnt see how BvS was a reconstruction

sad

>>91003333

Then call it out for reasons why its a shoddily made film, don't autismo screech and get buttblasted about how they handled the characters

there are alot of reasons why BvS wasn't a well made film and none of them had to do with characterization

>>91003519
Not him.
Neither do I.
Please explain to me how it was.

Out of curiosity OP, did you watch the extended edition or the original cut? Because the original cut is like a 6/10 movie, while in my opinion the extended edition is like an 8/10.

>>91003470
Nigga, I know that you come from reddit, but people were using that pic to falseflag for weeks before that.

I could do the same right now, and you would have no evidence against it.

>>91003519
The PRODUCER said that it was a deconstruction.

So funk off.

>>91003519
Ackhually, BvS is a deconstruction while JL is the reconstruction.

Another bait thread with only reason being shit is NOT MUH

4 years for MoS and near 1 year for BvS UC releases and still not a solid argument...

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>>91002393

I liked it.

SAD DESU

It was fine

>>91003547
The extended was worse. It dragged and added nothing to the movie, it made it meander even more than it already did

>>91003713
That's fine, i like plenty of objectively bad things. It's fine to enjoy it, but to claim it was a masterpiece is just wrong.

>it's a "/co/ can't really explain why they hate a capeshit movie" episode

>>91003674
And that's the beauty of it. They will be cult favorites in the future. BvS is pleb filter

"Take X but make it SUPER DUPER GRITTY AND DEPRESSING" is one of the most dime-a-dozen, fanfiction-tier hooks for any sort of media on the market.
This movie might as well be "My Immortal" with capes.

>inb4 N-NOT MUH
This movie was supposed to be one of the most defining moments for both of DC's flagship characters, it should try to accurately capture their essence instead of trying to be a deconstruction of the genre.

Imagine if the first time Bugs Bunny was in a movie, the first scene he's in is him staring vacantly at the horizon from his hole in the ground, wondering if he made a wrong turn at Albuquerque, and if his entire life was nothing but a series of wrong turns that would eventually lead him off the edge of a cliff, where he would only realize that he's walked off after he finally looks down.

Also, cramming religious symbolism into something doesn't make it instantly good.

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>>91002393
>Everything has to stay the same! Any different interpretation of muh heroes is garbage! Superman can never kill! B-buh-Batman can n-never KILL!!

>>91004451
This.

I hope that Superman kill a shitload of people on all the next movies. Batman too.

They said that WW costume was red with the blood of her enemies? Go fuck on, I want to see her slaughter the germans.

>>91004451
He should have just used any of the allegory characters. Hell if he did Midnighter and Apollo, he could have gotten gay points and gone full Snyder since the Wildstorm universe is pretty much how Snyder depicts superheroes anyway.

>>91003495
i disagree but I can't support my point in a way that will change your mind

>>91003371
it's symbolism, dumbass. not even very subtle symbolism

>>91004518
The point is one movie or movie series depicting these heroes differently from their usual tropes doesn't damage the characters at all, why not just enjoy a change of pace? They went in a different direction than the usual characterizations for Batman and Superman on purpose. People whining about that seem like they aren't aware it was done intentionally.

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>>91004696
>why not just enjoy a change of pace?

1 - Because it isn't as good as it could have been.

2 - and isn't even good by itself, people just went to see it because of the name of the characters, but even if they were original, it would be bad and nobody would give a fuck.

>>91002393
>Why am I seeing so many autists here defend this garbage?

Desperation and spite.

There are a solid core of company loyalists that simply can't admit these films are bad, because they see it as giving up and 'losing' somehow. So they circlejerk and circlejerk and repeat the kino mantras over and over, until they hypnotize themselves into believing that BvS was not shit.

In their heart of hearts, they know the DCEU is shit and will continue to be shit as long as it's taking all its cues from Snyder, but they cannot stand the idea of losing their imaginary war with their imaginary foes. So they soldier on, rebels without a cause, warriors without a clue.

>>91004834
>Because it isn't as good as it could have been
Do you mean it would have been better in your opinion if Superman and Batman had stuck to their well known comic book morals?

>>91004331
problem is they only made one episode and it's syndicated so we have to watch it 10 times a day.

>>91004919
>In their heart of hearts, they know the DCEU is shit and will continue to be shit as long as it's taking all its cues from Snyder, but they cannot stand the idea of losing their imaginary war with their imaginary foes. So they soldier on, rebels without a cause, warriors without a clue.

It's pretty fucking pathetic that you not only write this but that you actually probably believe it.

>>91004919
>until they hypnotize themselves into believing that BvS was not shit.

I think theres alot of people that were "meh" about it not even thinking it was total shit, but thats not even good enough

Nothing less that total adoration will do for rabid fanboys.

>>91004919
BvS is kino. Get over it.

>>91003225

I just took it this way too. It's an elseworld where superman doesn't know what he wants to be yet, and The Batman losing his way and needing to find his path again. I could give a fuck less about Wonder Woman besides the fact she saved batman. She didn't have enough screen time(thank christ almighty on his holy cross) to actually engage the audience. It was an ok movie for me. Could have been better, but it was watchable, not worth the time to bitch about honestly.

>>91004979
It would have been better if it wasn't a disjointed mess, if the dialogue wasn't robotic and inhuman, if every scene and line wasn't simply a setup for some majestic shot Snyder wanted to include, if it didn't flick from scene to scene willy-nilly like it was created by a fucking schizophrenic, if any of the actors save Affleck were bothering to actually act, if Lex's entire plan wasn't retarded, if all the characters didn't have to wear idiot hats for anything to happen, if it wasn't full of embarrassing cringeworthy lines that seem chronically out of place whenever they pop up, if there was any attempt to build Superman up as a symbol of hope before tearing him down, if there was any characterization behind Superman or charm in Cavill's performance that would cause you to give a shit about his sacrifice, if the cinematography didn't often become weirdly stilted, repetitive, and hamfisted (seriously, what the fuck was Snyder thinking with the court scene?), if it wasn't full of unnecessary flab like the JL teasing and Wonder Woman, and if it wasn't so preoccupied with being 2edgy4u.

There are lot of things wrong with this film. Literally everything wrong with shit like Age of Ultron is present here, but way worse.

>>91003519
This
More than that it was an ultrastruction. Where you deconstruction so hard that you go back around to being the dark souls of citizen kane super hero movies.

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>>91005049
Not him but the DCEU is objectively pretty poor right now, yet there seems to be people who are so determined to not like the "normie trash" that is Marvel, and therefore laud Synder's DC films as though to not like one means you must love the other.

I mean there are elements of the DCEU that are enjoyable, or even good. Clark's first flight for instance, but as a cohesive whole, BvS and SS in particular just aren't very good.

Enjoyable maybe, but not good.

>>91005113

Its just the times we all live in now, i remember going to the theatre to see the last Pierce Brosnan Bond movie (the one with the asian dude with diamonds in his face, and the invisible car) , now THAT.... was a collosal piece of shit.

BvS was just uninspired and mediocre, but at least it didnt have an invisible aston martin

oh yeah i forgot, that bond movie also had a guy surgically turned from an asian dude to a pale, pale skinned british ginger... lets get some perspective on how bad blockbuster movies can be.

>>91005049
What's truly pathetic is that you can't admit that he's right.

You'd be so much happier if you just watched good films rather than devoting so much time and effort to defending shit ones. There are tons of good films released every year. Did you watch Hell or High Water last year? It was pretty good, you'd probably feel better after watching it.

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>>91005255
It's unfortunate really, because the result of that turd of a film is a hard shift away from the campier elements of the Bond films. I'm not saying I want full on camp, but part of the fun was the bullshit gadgets like the trick pens and watches and stuff. We don't really seem to get anything like that in Craigs Bond films and even though I actually enjoyed them, even Spectre as sort of crap as it is, I feel that they're slightly missing out on that.

Hello. I also have just watched the movie for the first time after it being out for about a year now. And I have to make a few criticisms here. First of all, it was a bad movie. Second, I thought the pee in a jar was just too crass for this kind of a movie. Also, I didn't like Eisernberg's Luthor. And finally, there was too much religious symbolism.

>>91005192
This

>>91005192
Everytime someone writes up WHY it was shit all the BvS fanboys ignore the post and keep trolling. Every fucking time they can't think of a single rebuttle. Goes to show how pathetic they are

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>>91005348
Spectre was doubly shit because they wanted to have their cake and eat it too. They wanted to bring back the camp, the gadgets, the evil organization, the henchmen, etc, but they also wanted to maintain the slick, serious tone of the previous Craig films. They failed at both tasks and the movie's unwatchable shit as a result.

I knew it was going to be shit when we saw set photos of Craig in this suit. Bond should NEVER wear peaked lapels on his suits. It's too Continental, not British enough.

>>91003004
you are right, you DO have to be thirteen to understand batman versus superman dawn of justice

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>>91002393
>watched this for the first time

no you didn't

>>91005908
You are an absolute faggot for knowing that

And I love you for it

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>>91006116
I'm not even sure if I approve of Tom Ford doing Craig's suits, period. I feel like Bond's suits should all come from Savile Row.

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>>91002686

TBQH I bet Wonder Woman will be the first (not catastrophically broken) movie since Man of Steel. It has 1 hero , a good actor in Chris Pine, and a story that isn't a clusterfuck.

I bet it'll get a solid 70 on rotten tomatoes.

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>>91002828
This guy is just too clever an auteur for us. We don't understand his Sonickino.

>>91003060
>> Alexander Luthor Junior is as much the DCEU version of Lex Luthor as Colonel Helmut Zemo is the MCU version of Baron Zemo, and deserves to be judged as such.

>>91006151
You're honestly completely right.

>>91003467
>> Poor attempt at mimicking Watchmen
Snyder has said as much, so confirmed.

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>>91004515
And people say that Snyderfags aren't edgy.

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>>91004696
>> I totally fucked up you guys, but I totally did it on purpose!

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>>91004919
I have tried to explain company wars to my friends through the following analogy:

Imagine that there is someone who is fanatically committed to eating only at Burger King. They insist that every Whopper is fine cuisine and somehow objectively superior to the "pleb" Big Mac. They can't have a conversation about fast food or hamburgers without shilling Burger King as if they were getting paid for it (I'm not claiming that they are) and obsessively shitting on every other chain. And they get seriously upset if anyone lets slip that they ate at Burger King or like McDonald's better.

My friends are dumbfounded that such noxious autism exists anywhere, let alone there being a an active fanbase (however small) of it.

>>91005255

>it's just the times we live in

Makes me feel old anon.

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>>91006546
>The characters aren't behaving how I expect them to from reading comic books! I-It must be a mistake!!

>>91006520
How the fuck do you not recognize that post as a false flag?

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>>91004696
A change of pace is all well and good, it can be a welcome thing, but not when it's the first fucking live action meeting of Batman and Superman, and not when it's meant to set up the bloody Justice League for the first time on film.

You don't set this up as the film the fans have been waiting for, and then have batman kill indiscriminately because you misunderstood the bit where he shoots the Mutant in TDKR and you don't set Superman up as a mopey bastard who worries about his place because you believe the meme from people who have never read Superman that he's boring. Grant Morrison was able to make Superman seem like a fucking epic tale in 4 panels.

Doomed planet
Desperate scientists
Last hope
Kindly couple

People say Superman is boring despite him being one of the most enduring American icons for nearly 80 fucking years? Prove them wrong, don't pander to them by giving them the dark and brooding "realistic" version that no fucker asked for.

Hell, he even misunderstood the fight between Superman and Batman in TDKR. Batman didn't want to kill Superman. He literally fucking states that, but nah. It was the epic fight, right? That was what people liked, not the weight of seeing the super fucking best friends fight.

Fuck BvS and fuck anyone who tries to mental gymnast headcannon their way as to why it was good.

It was mediocre with some enjoyable elements, nothing more.

It wasn't that good, I just don't get how MCU movies are considered much better. The only MCU movies I'd say were considerably better were Iron Man and MAYBE TWS.

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>>91006727

I can't say i disagree with that, kek

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>>91004979
>> Fixing one problem of many is better than fixing none of it.

>>91006951
I agree until you called BvS mediocre
It was dogshit

>>91007094
There were reddeming elements.

I liked Alfred.
I didn't hate Wonder Woman
The Batsuit looked pretty damn good

Oh wait. No, that's literally pretty much it. You were right. I do apologise. It legit is pretty shit, other than what I mentioned

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>>91006727
Sorry, I made a mistake with the "ate at Burger King" part, it should be "ate at McDonald's'".

>>91006940
I personally know people like this, so it gives me little reason to doubt.

>>91006951
My point is just that it tried to exist separately from the comics. Going into the film with a bias about how it had better conform to your expectations of these characters is setting yourself up to be disappointed, with any capeshit film.

>>91007289
Oh I'd agree, but BvS diverts wildly away and pretends that it's clever and deep.

It sets itself up as the thinking mans superhero film, but loses something intrinsic in the process

>all the people ITT saying "not muh" as if it wasn't a valid argument

8 plus decades of characterizations in many art medias > some fucking edgy chump's idea of what they should be

Snyder *LITERALLY* unironically thought it would have been cool to show Bruce getting buttraped in prison in a movie. The guy read TDKR, misunderstood it, shoved a few religious metaphors and allegories and made BvS. Nobody asked to see emo Jesus Supes and Punisher in a Batsuit. How arrogant do you have to be to ignore decades of characterization and """"""""""re-invent"""""""""" such iconic characters. This isn't Sniktbub or Blue Beetle we're talking about, Bats and Supes fans deserve more respect than that. If he didn't want to make a movie about these two characters he should have come up with new shit and have it fail miserably like Suckerpunch lmao. Fucking hack

>>91002895
No I believe there are people who want more out of super hero movies than what the MCU provides, and I wish them well. But BvS is not what they want. It may masquerade as what they want but at its core it's still has the same level of contempt for its fanbase as their distasterous Green Lantern attempt.

>>91006293
Given that Zemo is the lest entertaining, least-comic-accurate villain in the MCU, I agree completely.

>>91007993
MCU Zemo is far closer to comic Zemo than BvS Luthor was to the comic Luthor

BvS Luthor was basically Max Landis.

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>>91002393
You know how traditionally in the old comics the big 'x vs y' events tended to end in kinda a rushed way that was light hearted or involved a third party coming in who could unite the two again, because the point is supposed to be establishing a bond between the two characters on the same team?

Imagine if that was instead a movie where Jimmy Olsen gets shot in the face unnamed as a 'fun easter egg', Lex Luthor blows up congress with a wheelchair suicide bomber after making someone drink piss, and is resolved because they both have moms named Martha.

Also hey did you like the christ imagery in Man of Steel? Well now here's a lot more, but now the movie is partially condemning fans of Superman for viewing him as perfect even though it's literally the thing framing him that way!

Affleck's a good Batman, though.

>>91008150
Yup. I was shooting down that anon's implication that Luthor being similar to Zemo at all gave Luthor some grace points.

BvS Luthor is the worst comic character I've ever seen on the big screen, and DC's backpedaling that he's the real Lex's son is just an admission of how royally they fucked up.

>>91005192
>disjointed mess
>if it didn't flick from scene to scene willy-nilly like it was created by a fucking schizophrenic
The Ultimate Cut wasn't edited like this at all.
>if the dialogue wasn't robotic and inhuman
By who??? Ben & Lex are both seething with emotion at points, Lex & Alfred have decent moments of charismatic sarcasm.
>if every scene and line wasn't simply a setup for some majestic shot Snyder wanted to include
Your assuming that crap, he may will have found a way to put a majestic shot into scenes already meant to happen in the script.
>if any of the actors save Affleck were bothering to actually act
Since no one gave a bad performance once again your making shit up.
Weather you think Jesse's characterization was appropriate for the character or not to claim he wasn't acting is a flat out lie.
>if all the characters didn't have to wear idiot hats for anything to happen
Examples? Only thing I can think of is Clark not try to explain things to Bruce again after the 1st dose of Kryptontite wore off.
>if there was any attempt to build Superman up as a symbol of hope
That was what him saving 7-8 billion people accomplished in the 1st film.
And it is also very arguable was that the point the film had is that humanity's darkside will inherently tear down anything good before they can actually truly inspire/accomplish anything long term.
>if there was any characterization behind Superman
There was more then enough for normal people who feel sympathy for people trying their best while almost everything around them is wearing them down.
>if it wasn't full of unnecessary flab like the JL teasing and Wonder Woman
I agree the JL teasers were ill placed in the film but it wasn't unnecessary at all. It was fun and added much to the building mythos.
>2edgy4u
There is no point in the entire fucking film that it was "edgy" like Nemesis or Ultimatum. Closest it came was the picture of Martha with the ball gag.

>>91002393
Imbecile.

Shit taste.

kys

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>>91007191
Alfred was good but he looked too young to be watching after an older Bruce

>>91008291
>where Jimmy Olsen gets shot in the face unnamed as a 'fun easter egg
He is a awful comedy relief character that has nothing to add to this version of the universe.
>Lex Luthor blows up congress with a wheelchair suicide bomber
So villains shouldn't do villainous things???
>after making someone drink piss
Didn't happen.
>and is resolved because they both have moms named Martha.
No its resolved because Batman realized that his rage blinded assumptions that Superman is a uncaring alien with little human connection who is just toying with us was severely inaccurate and a severe overreaction.

>>91008439
>It was fun
It was awkward and dumb. I know DC is in a rush when it comes to building a cinematic universe but having the characters watch several movie trailers on Youtube was the fucking worst.

>>91008613
>He is a awful comedy relief character
Jimmy is great, fuck you.

>>91004919
>>91006727
Except Mos is my 2nd favorite film & strongly like Bvs and yet I have zero problem with the MCU overall, enjoy them a great deal.
And I am also not beholden to Dc, I was very meh on GL & Batman & Robin remains the 2nd worst film I have ever seen.

Assume harder faggots.

>>91008626
Awkwardly placed in the film yes.
Dumb no, it makes perfect sense Lex would end up spying on superhumans besides just Superman.
Especially if he wanted to get across the gravity of his argument for anti metahuman weapons to congress.

>>91008719
The people who dislike the DC films often are the ones who never want to engage or elaborate their opinions in discourse and those who do like the films are often labeled as people with weird/bad taste in films or bending over backwards to like garbage, despite writing a whole heck a lot on it. When someone does, it usually boils down to not liking the interpretation of the character - it's why "NOT MY SUPERMAN" is a meme. It's what most of it boils down to.

>>91008781
>When someone does, it usually boils down to not liking the interpretation of the character - it's why "NOT MY SUPERMAN" is a meme. It's what most of it boils down to.

And why is this not a valid reason exactly?

>>91008824
Because doing new & experimental versions of characters is a valid form of adaption.

>>91008430
I'm that anon and I hated BvS Luthor. What I was trying to take down was the claim that it doesn't matter because he's just Lex Luthor's son, which was a common defence and is bullshit. I'm sorry if I was mistaken.

>>91008439
Welp! Im convinced. Guess it really was a good movie the whole time!

Can we stop now?

>>91008891

I understand your point and I respectfully disagree

>>91008962
>respectfully disagree
I appreciate that. However would you consider the Ultimate Universe, Earth One, Batman Beyond, Age of Apocalypse & such to be invalid?
How is this different then those?

>>91008595
Bruce's older brother.

>>91009174

I don't really like elsewords. I mean I guess I do but 99% of the time it's not as good as canon/main universe stuff. Is wanting a Batman movie where he doesn't kill anyone and isn't cheesy as fuck (Batman & Robin) too much to ask for?

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>>91009174
Because if you're going to make a film to set up the Justice League on the big screen for the first time, perhaps that's not the moment to decide "Wouldn't it be cool if Batman killed?" "What if Superman was a mopey shit?" and "what if Lex Luthor was Max Landis?"

Not that I'm saying the film needs to be a 1:1 adaptation, but when you willingly and wantonly abandon core aspects of the characters to make it "cool" then what's the fucking point?

Especially when you then try to pretend that it's a film made for the fans.

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>>91002895
You can't be serious

>save...martha
>I will not fall for your alien tricks! *stab*

>save...martha
>Who's that, your alien girlfriend? She needs to die too. *stab*

>save...martha
>Huh? What's that mean? Martha? Why did you say that name! WHY DID YOU SAY THAT NAME!
>It's his mommy's name!
>Oh. *stab*

>>91009361
It has nothing to do with making it "cool".
It's about challenging and making the characters even stronger.
Batman not killing after 20 years of not making any good headway is absurdist. Redeeming Batman after falling makes for a fantastic starting point for this universe, it makes him less bat-god-ish, it removes his arrogance and superiority gives him room to improve.

Superman being mopey or not isn't a core aspect of the character.
Giving hope is, and a flawed person rising above and giving hope is more inspirational then a flawless person who does so simply by existing.

>>91007817
They put mother fucking Hector Hammond as the main villain, giant head and everything.
How the fuck did GL have contempt for its fanbase?

>>91010068
Well shackling Hal to Earth and turning Parrallax into a fucking shit cloud were bad choices for starters. Gratuitous, and frankly poorly done, CGI didnt help either. That said, Sinestro was on point until he put on the ring in that retarded after credit stinger. Make no mistake, making a Green Lantern movie isnt easy considering the technical demands and the lore that needs to be covered, but the movie we got seemed pretty phoned in like a TV movie

>>91010153
>Well shackling Hal to Earth and turning Parrallax into a fucking shit cloud were bad choices for starters
Oh I absolutely agree they were bad choices but I don't get how they were contemptuous of comic book readers.

>>91010153
>Well shackling Hal to Earth
Just like Hal's origin, wow! They really hate us comic fans!

>>91010012
If I may but into this exchange: There isnt anything wrong with challenging Bruce by giving him a dark period in his career where his moral code is questioned, hell its happened on several occasions. However, this movie perhaps wasnt the best place to jump into that. You have to build the character up to what he is, what he stood for, before breaking him down to start again. Simply put, we know Batman by heart, but we dont know THIS Batmans history, and its pretty damn jarring to see him off the rocker when we know so little as to what led to that point. BvS honestly feels like we missed 3 other installments leading towards it. And Im not saying we needed ANOTHER fucking origin to Batman, god knows we dont need to see the Waynes offed again, but a solo movie seeing Robin die might have been a better call

>>91010231
Look if you're going to bait, at least be subtle about it and not cherrypick. You know exactly what I meant. Lantern has an entire sector and beyond as his playground

NOT EVEN GAWD!!

>>91004696
>The point is one movie or movie series depicting these heroes differently from their usual tropes doesn't damage the characters at all
Except that it actually does you utter fucking moron, because these movies are how a generation will see these heroes. The movies are infinitely bigger in the popular consciousness than anything DC is publishing or airing on tv.

>>91010012
>Batman not killing after 20 years of not making any good headway is absurdist.
>comic books are absurdist
No shit. This is why the DCEU has failed.

>>91008781
>thread full of reasons for why the movie is shit
>pretend that it is just "not muh"
>pretend that the characterizations that they gave us weren't shit anyway

>>91010638
Snydercucks are insane buddy.

>>91010539
Just because it decided to be better than comics?

>>91002393
it's just /tv/ crossposters who "defends" it. the movie is shit and it's disgusting what they did to the characters.

>>91002393
>Finally bit the bullet and watched this for the first time.
I still haven'0t found the strength.

>>91007705
All that wouldn't even matter if they were GOOD reinventions, as it actually happened a fuckton of times throughout both characters' histories.This isn't.

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>>91007501
>It sets itself up as the thinking mans superhero film
And it comes off as pic related

>>91008774
So he came up with cool logos for each of them?

>>91007501
The most insufferable idiot is one who thinks he's a genius. The same applies to movies.

>>91012178
NOT MUH