>Supporting Marvel anything in they year of our lord 2017

>>90946111
It would explain the mental gymnastics Marvel's comicfags are doing to justify their support or DCEU's moviefags for that matter.

>>90946111
Why does Marvel still exist?

>>90946379
To trigger you.

>>90946111
Everytime I see one of these threads, I go out to my LCS and pick up a Marvel comic. Helps that my LCS is only a couple blocks away.

>>90946328
But Mos & the TC of Bvs aren't incompetently made, most of Marvel Comics currently are.

>>90946522
How would you know? You don't read them. I'd say there's a LOT of excellent Marvel comics right now.

>>90946485
>supporting local shops, the cancer that is slowly chocking the print media to death with their price fixing and lobbying against reasonable week one digital pricing and legal access

I expected nothing and you still managed to disappoint

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>>90946328
>It would explain the mental gymnastics Marvel's comicfags are doing to justify their support
Anon, I don't think anyone in here supports Marvel at this points, I used to be a rabbid marvelfag, hell most of the comics I read monthly are marvel (mostly ewing stuff), but at this point even I get a sense of joy when I see a thread saying that their shit ain't selling or that their business practices are failing. People in here read the storytimes cuz they enjoy some of thei stuff and to get angry along other people but I think most of us are just done buying Marvel.

>>90946549
I'm not a fan of most of Marvel right now, but I will say that Moon Knight, Daredevil and Foolkiller are all amazing.

>>90946632
Speak for yourself, idiot. Marvel publishes more than 30 good comics, which is more than I can say for DC.

>>90946549
>You don't read them
Actually I do.
Black Panther is the only excellent series.
Fem Thor is decent.
Sam Wilson is a garbage fire.
Steve Rogers is competently written but the actual story is fucking hateful on Spencer's part.

>>90946673
Sam Wilson is great-- the cast is well rounded, the pacing is constantly moving, the art is great, the stakes are high. What is wrong with it besides you disagreeing with its politics?

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>>90946660
Please do name them. Ewing's stuff and Deadpool are legit the only things I can think of right now that I can say are entreating to me. You can try to be a contrarian faggot to try and stir company wars as much as you want but that shit ain't flying here cuz I don't read DC.

>>90946741
See >>90946716
Even then, you already admitted there's more than five books worth reading from Marvel, which makes OP's bait stupid.

>>90946379
>Why does Marvel still exist?

For
-money (ike and stan)
-normies (mcu)
-identity politics (alonso)

They have basically ceded the idea of comics as a medium to further the blending of art and writing in a storytelling medium to companies like DC/Image/Valiant.

>>90946784
Ah, the post of a non-reader. Why do you sput such nonsense? What do you exactly gain from it? Marvel as a comic publisher is doing great things with the medium. DC is certainly no better.

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>>90946716
>Unironically naming Champions, Occupy Avengers, Captain Marvel, Ghost Rider, Meme-Lord, Gamora, Rocket Raccoon, Sam Wilson and that garbage that is World of Wakanda.

>>90946842
Not an argument. Name what is wrong with them instead of just greentexting.
Ghost Rider, Rocket and Sam, especially, are above average. Or wait, let me guess, do they disagree with your politics? Poor you.

>>90946522
>But Mos & the TC of Bvs aren't incompetently made
HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA

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>>90946716
>>Champions,captain marvel

>>90946903
Greentexting is not an argument.

>>90946716
>>90946776
Oh yeah I also read Nova and Totally Awesome Hulk I forgot about that, I really hope they don't get cancelled. That being said let's move on:

>Gamora, Rocket Raccoon, Silver Surfer, Captain Marvel, Star-Lord,
wew lad

>Occupy Avengers
w e w lad

>Ghost Rider, Champions
W E W LAD

I'll give you the other ones you mentioned are decent/entertaining but adding Star Wars stuff is really stretching it.

>>90946922
Writing "wew lad" does not actually equal to anything,

>>90946869
Disagree with my politics? I am a bleeding liberal, you idiot.

Sam is just boring and directionless. Ghost Rider is a book for Silk fans, Rocket is another "funny" book that doesn't have ONE fucking funny joke.

Do you like it? Good for you. But don't confuse your lower standard with high quality.

>>90946869
>>90946920
>here's a list of shit that's good in my opinion

I disagree that this shit is good.

>GIVE REASONS THEY'RE BAD THEN FUCK YOU

Maybe you should start by giving reasons as to why you think they're good, if that's the kind of discussion you'd like to have, you raging autismonster.

>>90946111
>muh company wars.

>>90946920
Alright here's your arguement,the art is terrible,Ms marvel is noghing but a mouth piece for waid with non of the charm of her solo,Cyclops and Hulk are incredibly dumbed down,Viv is flanderized,Miles and Sam are not even relevent,there hasn't been a coherent storyline yet.Captain marvel has bad art with a weak plot compared to te previous run which had some interesting plot threads about Mar vell

>>90946973
>Sam
>Directionless
It's been the same arc for a while, ending with the trial of Rage. How more directed can it possibly be?

>Ghost Rider is a book for Silk fans
You forgot to say why this is a bad thing- You're confusing your expectations with the actual content. The book is great, you're just angry it's not more about Robbie because that's what you expected.

>>90946869
Not him but... The latest volume of Ghost Rider ended dissapointingly. I mean, the book is called All-New Ghost Rider! Yet the first (and only) arc mainly focused on the guest stars instead of Robbie himself. It was really slow and not only that? His 6th issue gets cancelled. Had they focused on a story with Robbie trying to make the deal he made with Eli work out t hroughout the months? It maybe would have gone on a little longer and have been as good as it's first volume.

I haven't read any of the other of the other stuff besides Ewing stuff, Nova, and Deadpool. Mostly because I ain't got an interest in those other titles.

>>90946886
What are is the purpose of a post like this?

>>90946869
Tell me what's good about Champions. Why do you like Champions? Why? What's even remotly good about that book?

You like middle age Mark Waid writing hip teen dialogue full of cringy slangs that no actual living human being would use?
You like constant, preachy soapboxing?
You like Ramos continously off-model art?

>>90946979
Don't get mad because your "greentext + reaction face" post got called out as contributing nothing. OP said there are no good Marvel books, I pointed out there are. You just added little meme arrows.

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>>90946660
>Marvel publishes more than 30 good comics

>>90946111
I support the good comics and ignore the bad ones. Yes, there ARE good Marvel comics, just not very many.

>>90947063
I like the unconventional approach to superheroics, the character interactions - especially in the camping chapter - the stylized Ramos art (yes, /co/, stylized is a thing).
>preachy soapboxing
Which is only bad if you disagree with it.

>>90947102
What is the purpose of "reaction face posts" like this one? It adds nothing. The 30 comics were named above, btw.

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>>90946716
>Steve Rogers, Black Panther, Darth Maul, Hulk, Moon Girl, Ultimates2, Gamora, Rocket Raccoon, Daredevil, Ms. Marvel, Poe Dameron, Uncanny Avengers, Sam Wilson, Totally Awesome Hulk, Star-Lord, U.S.AVengers, World of Wakanda, Spider-Man/Deadpool, Doctor Aphra, Silver Surfer, Nova, Kingpin, Star Wars, Moon Knight, Champions, Spider-Man 2099, The Avengers, Occupy Avengers, Scarlet Witch, Captain Marvel, Ghost Rider, Foolkiller.

>>90947165
See >>90947056

>>90947068
That was my first post of the thread. I'm not mad, I'm trying to help you communicate like a human being.

OP claimed there are no good marvel books. You listed a bunch of marvel books that YOU consider good, with no other reasoning for them being good than that you see them as such. This implies that either:
1) They are objectively good (Impossible, taste is subjective)
2) Your opinion is indicitive of absolute quality (probably not, and no one is going to accept this)

And then, when other people made essentially the same argument in reverse (I consider the things you think are good to be bad) you start demanding logical reasoning as for why, even though you never provided that logical reasoning in the first place. If you want people to argue about actual qualities of the books you should set the tone - say that you like the artwork, or that the writing is good, or that it agrees with your politics. Then, you can debate that reasoning, instead of having meltdowns over the fact that people don't accept your opinions as objective truth.

Faggot.

>>90947126
>yes, /co/, stylized is a thing
Bachalo is stylized. Aja is stylized. Chiang is stylized.
Ramos is a self-taught hack who can't into basic anatomy, precisely like Liefeld.

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>>90947126
Of coarse art can be stylized,there good styles then there's ramos style

>>90947294
First off, Aja is barely stylized - his style is heavily realistic. Secondly, Ramos still makes better backgrounds than both of them, never uses computer programs, AND finishes his work in time, which is more than what you can say about Aja.

>>90946549
>this is what SJW shills are ACTUALLY paid to believe
Wow. This place really is /co/mblr.

>>90947126
>It adds nothing. The 30 comics were named above, btw.

Anon, they were all bad. They are comic books published by writers that seem hellbent on making a political statement about issues that really are non issues, including Identity Politics, micro aggression, scripts that literally go nowhere with characters behaving in extremely erratic ways, bad writing filled to the brim with character assassination and a pathetic lack of communication among the writers of Marvel (that and their childish behavior on Social Media seem to push them further and further from the fanbase, it is not a surprise so many people are actually declining the purchase of Marvel Comic Books, which lead us to the whole shipping deal that is pissing off a lot of LCS owners) and when they try to face actual irl problems, they do so poorly it's offensive, as if the readership were nothing but a bunch of morons that can't put 2 and 2 to equal 4 (which they might be, considering they still read Marvel).

This might be the worst Marvel in years. And you know it.

>>90947338
Can you rephrase that without buzzwords?
>Wow. This place really is /co/mblr.
Nevermind, you're not even from this board, are you? You're probably not used to discussion.

>>90947121
OP here, great assumptions but not who've you have been replying too. I fully agree there are like 3-4 good books right now but unless a hardline stance is taken Marvel will justify their shit books that have had cancellation numbers for months (Captain Marvel, Champions, Silver Surfer) by floating them with their flagship titles in some vain attempt to get casuals to pick up books they WILL never have interest in because still actually reading a floppy or going to specialty shops is still viewed negatively and prices prevent anyone under the age of 24 from being able to even afford them.

>>90946549
No, not really my dear shill.

>>90947359
>They are comic books published by writers that seem hellbent on making a political statement
Stopped reading there. There are no politics involved in Black Widow, Nova, Hulk etc. You don't read the 30 books I listed, so why do you comment on them?

>>90946690
Not the same anon but I've to say for me Sam Wilson is slow as fuck and seems to repeat the same in almost every chapter. I got bored 8 issues ago =/

>>90947395
What is the point of this post?
>shill
Go back to /v/.

>>90947359
FUCK YOU.

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>>90947336
>>Ramos has good backgrounds and his style is good

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>>90947401
>Stopped reading there. There are no politics involved in Black Widow, Nova, Hulk etc. You don't read the 30 books I listed, so why do you comment on them?

Sure.

>>90947435
>He says, while posting a picture in which you can only see the sky so you can't judge his backgrounds

>>90947453
>Posting a picture which is not from Black WIdow, Nova or Hulk
What is your point? You obviously don't read the comics I listed.

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>>90947454
Odd how ramos art often uses the sky,crowd shots or rubble to clutter a page,almost like bad foregrounds and terrible art are being covered up

>>90947435
Why would she say bombs three times

Was it supposed to be cute

It's annoying

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>>90947401
>>90947420
>>90947423

/co/ has always been at war with Marvel.

>>90947453

that was a joke. tho Champions is a political book (with generic middle of the road superhero politics i'd argue but whatever)

>>90946522
>But Mos & the TC of Bvs aren't incompetently made


Holly shit, are you serious?

Threads made by casuals should be banned.
Marvel has a lot of good books, mainly Ultimates, both Hulk books, Uncanny Avengers, Moon Girl, Avengers Daredevil and BP.
DC has a lot of good books too. It's not a competition.

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>>90947479
>Champions

Or are you telling that you had to reduce the list from 30 to 3?

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>>90947496 now compare with Aja's backgrounds,foreground,lay out etc

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>>90947501
Odd how you avoid posting pictures in which he makes the backgrounds correctly, with proper perspective and hand drawn, too, without tracing.

>>90947566
No, I'm telling you you're focusing your complaints on a single comic from my list and saying the criticism applies to all of them. You're just wrong.

>>90947551
/thread

>>90947583
You responded to the wrong anon

>>90947572
Those are filtered photos. I like the effect but it's not his craft.

>>90946660
>Marvel publishes more than 30 good comics

Marble is barely publishing that many on-goings.

>>90947583
Meant for >>90947496

>>90947653
How come they have been listed above, then?

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>>90947592
Adn you are focusing too much on diverting the argument to just 3.

What's wrong anon? You already got paid to say bullshit, at least stick to one brand of bullshit.

>>90947686
Are you seriously so brain damaged that you can't contemplate someone reads more than Champions and Mockingbird without being paid?

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>>90947653
They are publishing that many content, but it's really not selling very much. They have no variety, just numbers.

>>90947686
I'm other anon.
Yes, Champions and Mockingbird are bad. That's not the whole company.

>>90946111
I don't support either of them, since both of them are shit. Marvel is pandering to Tumblr, while DC is pandering to plebbit.

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Ramos art in superior was okay,I'm yet to see you post some GOOD artwork from champions

>>90947740
>it's really not selling very much
If you look beyond the top 10 they sell okay.
>They have no variety, just numbers.
Bullshit.

>>90947717
Only people who read Marvel right now after the travesty of IvX have to be paid agitators or masochists.

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>>90947717
>Are you seriously so brain damaged that you can't contemplate someone reads more than Champions and Mockingbird without being paid?

Of course not. They are terrible.

>>90947752
You're objectively wrong outside of two or three books. Why do you even post this bait?

>>90947811
How would you know? You don't. Read. It.

>>90947811
I love how obvious it is that you haven't read the comics you are posting panels of.

>>90947801
Don't forget the hoarders.

>>90946111
How about fuck you I'll read what I want.

>>90947801
I read marvel, but not X books.

Okay, look, let's try to make this productive:

If you like something Marvel is putting out, say what it is and explain why you like it, don't just say it's good

If you want to respond to that and disagree, explain why you disagree, don't just say it's shit

It will be a better thread for everyone

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>>90947786
Of course!

>>90947827
Name at least ten great books from the big two? No Flintstones or young animal.

>>90947786
http://www.ign.com/articles/2017/03/17/between-the-panels-there-are-too-many-marvel-comics

IGN is shit.

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>>90947583
Why is drawing things by hand an achievement,it's not because it's hand drawn it's superior to digital art.And if rather wait for a decent looking book than shit art that comes out on time because it's rushed or lazily done

>>90946716
>try to read some of the alleged Marvel best (Nova, Chulk, Spideypool)
>it's 5/10 at best
Although from my sampling DC's best tops out around 7/10.
Not even an indiefag.

>>90947902
We get it. Once, five or six pages of some marvel books were bad and /co/ was outraged. Marvel published tons of book every week. Those pages dont represent the entire company and are not an argument. I have never read those books because marvel publishes so much more. Stop being dumb.

>>90947902
I remember seeing someone posting a gender flipped version of that page. Wish I saved it.

>>90947542
What makes you doubt his sincerity?

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>>90947841
Sure I do!

>>90947917
>Black Widow
>The Wild Storm
>Ultimates2
>U.S.Avengers
>Deathstroke
>Moon Knight
>Moon Girl
>Detective Comics
>Kingpin
>Silver Surfer

>>90947902
Did femthor smack that bitch with the top of her hammer by extending her arm straight out? Why the fuck wouldn't she just swing it?

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>>90947866

>>90947980
Not that anon but what's good about Moon Girl? I never hear anyone talking about it

>>90947900

some quick hits

Dautermann's art in Thor
The character voices in Hawkeye and Occupy Avengers
The fun and taking advantage of comics and continuity in USAvengers/New Avengers
Ultimates2's big ideas
Black Panther's big cast and conflicting ideologies
Mark Waid playing with continuity and del Mundo art in Avengers

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>>90947942

>>90948005
Is has bad sales and few readers. Co complains about its premise. But when you read it it is amazing. Great character development, continuity and art.

>>90948005
Vibrant, colourful art, lighthearted mood, good jokes, distinct personalities, successfully making you sympathize with the main character, no relation to the rest of the universe, Jack Kirby's Devil. If anything, the issues are too short.

>>90947999
Do you even know from where this comes from?
>>90948062
Most of them should be expected.

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>>90947942
Anyone remembers how much every single Marvel hero loves Iron Heart and started praising her after knowing her for 5 minutes? You can smell the editorial mandate in it.

>>90948040
I'm sorry you are triggered everytime someone insults your incompetent brainless tiny-handed king

>>90948095
>Bendis is a bad writer
In other news, the water is wet. Stop posting bait - nobody's falling for it.

>capeshit fans
Debating if a turd is better than diarrhea seems like a stupid thing to do, but I guess that's what happens when you're obsessed with children books.

>>90948095
Or the shitfest of incompetence in the writing department for IvX or how poorly was the reception to Civil War II?

>>90947583
Those are clearly 3D models you idiot. He didn't draw shit.

>>90946690
They just can't handle something they disagree with. If it agreed with them, they'd probably be making fun of SJWs for getting mad about it.

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>>90947761
I hate Ramos with all my heart but he made the sexiest Evil Peter I've seen in my life.
I'm literally gay only for Spock.

>>90948120

Oh... I'm not sure about that:

>>90948091
>>90947942
>>90948101
>>90947841
>>90947866
>>90947786
>>90947742
>>90947717
>>90947592
>>90947479
>>90947423
>>90947401

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>>90948135
How in denial can you be?

>>90946549
>>90946549
Yeah, USAvengers, both Caps, Deadpool, Deadpool/Spidey, Moon Knight, Daredevil, Ultimates, Foolkiller, Awesome Hulk, Whor, I'm not saying it's anything life-changing, but it's not like Rebirth is pumping out classics either (though The DC line is undoubtedly more solid). Really, most people bitching are just the kind that will bitch at anything because nu/co/ likes playing /v/ and hating their own hobby.

>>90948040
>>90947999
>>90947811
>>90947740
>>90947686
I'm gonna vomit if you keep posting this shit.

Can anyone give an example of DC being this retardedly unsubtle about their politics? Because otherwise I consider the debate solved. Marvel is cancer.

>>90948247
>nu/co/ likes playing /v/ and hating their own hobby
>implying nu/co/ cares about comics

>>90948266
You're cancer.

>>90947374
No argument here. There needs to be a major shakeup in basically the whole staff. Writing, art, editorial, there's way too much acceptance of mediocrity. Especially in such a small industry as comic.

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>>90948136
Remember when the readership wanted Stan's Head because he didn't like raceswapping and gender swapping?

>>90948266
>Waaah three marvel comics are bad
>This means the debate is solved

>>90946949
Fine, Ghost Rider and champions have ATROCIOUS art, the fact that Ghost Ride spends 90% of the time focusing on other characters other than the TITULAR doesn't do it any favors and it does nothing but stretch the plot tin.

Champions has been doing nothing but soapboxing and trying to "tackle" real life issues that are eventually brought down by the fact that they go about them in the silliest fucking way and every character is writen completely out of character at worst and boring/plain at best.

Captain Marvel is absolutely pointless and directionless and it literally only serves to try and push Carol as being in the right after the CW debacle even tho everyone hated her during it.

Is that goo enough for you?

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>>90948179
There is a challenger

>>90948310
>Marvel Studios
>well written
LOL

>>90947980
>Black Widow
I dropped it with three issues. Slow as Fuck and nowhere near Waid's best.

>The Wildstorm
Imprints don't count

>Ultimates2
I'm enjoying it, so maybe.

>USAavengers
It was meh.

>Deathstroke
I'm enjoying it too, so I agree.

>Moon Knight
It's an artists showcase with Lemire not providing anything worthwhile, and phoning in like he usually does for his big two work.

>Moon girl
Haven't read

>Detective Comics
Not even close

>Kingpin
I'm reading and it has been just decent so far.

>Silver surfer
No

So yeah, excluding a few bright spots, DC is consistently mediocre, while Marvel is a mixture of mediocre to bad.

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>>90948266
You asked for this.

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>ITT: we roast the last few marvelfags on the planet
for real , why are you supporting this garbage ass company, like do you have no sense, can you not see what you're reading?

>>90948304
>>90948317
It's about the absolute worst that both companies have produced, with the metric for "worst" being "most in-your-face retard SJW shit." If you can show me DC doing the same thing I'll accept that Marvel isn't so bad.

But you can't, because DC understands that in-your-face propaganda/pandering is bad for business and keeps their writers from going full retard, both in their comics and social media. This is why DC is better.

>>90948350
Now now. Be nice. The Marvel interns are just doing their jobs.

>>90947535
>that was a joke. tho Champions is a political book
It's a very shitty political book. The book introduced shadowy group of mustache twirling corporate heads who, literally for no reason at all, hate the Champions.

The Champions, who had spent like fucking 4 issues overseas fighting "politically correct ISIS substitute", come back to the US and, again, for literally no reason, are now the bestest most #lit #epic #tubular team in all of herodom. Never mind that in the first issue, they had just begun as a team and they let a child prostitute dying as they check their phones and the 4 issues they spent fighting the politically correct ISIS substitute who were bullying a village, no one in the US could see them do it, because they were not allowed to be there. So no one knew they did anything in that country. And, they didn't even accomplish anything over there. They beat one ISIS unit and beat up, not kill, but beat up an ISIS general. So, if anything, they've made the situation worse because the general is gonna tell his boss and they will just kill every one of the people in that village.

So they go back the and shadow group hates the Champions. The Champions didn't do anything to them, they weren't even in the country for a majority of the book. The group hires they completely and comically over the top group of teen super villains, who are rich kids btw, to cause trouble. They have a homeless man fight another homeless for no reason at all and then they brainwash that homeless man into thinking that the Champions made him do it and then he tells the cops and they will apparently believe the words of a fucking random drunk homeless man and the group they admire, are evil.

Champions is tied for the worst book currently published by Marvel. if you look at it through the idea that it's a parody, it's brilliant, if it's a serious book, it's fucking horrible.

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>>90946111
While I'm intended to agree with you, I stood by DC during its darkest days of New 52 and I'm a DCEUfag
Creativity is a fickle thing

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>>90948350
Nah marvel still has some good comics it's how bad some are and the denial some fans have that's bad

>>90948338
PLEASE tell me that's ironic.
It's a joke right,? the characters are stereotypical pinkos like peter parker was a nerd right?

>>90946379
sugar daddy Mickey needs a IP farm for boys

>>90946111
In the past three years Marvel killed/tarnished/limboed the following characters:
>Cyclops (killed in the most pathetic way possible)
>Wolverine (killed)
>Iron Man (in a coma)
>Thor (made unworthy)
>Mister Fantastic (in limbo)
>Hulk (killed)
>Hawkeye (tarnished his reputation by both killing Hulk and all the 'LOL KATE IS BEST HAWKEYE XD' jokes)
>Hank Pym (ultron'd)
>Captain America (nazied)
>Peter Quill (bendised)

I don't want to go full 'not muh', but the current Marvel landscape is totally unrecognizable and uninteresting to me

>>90948266
Go and read about the great America Chavez, a lesbian from a whole female utopia (because males are monsters that will always seek war and death) that literally have two biological mothers because from her Dyke Utopia, lesbians can produce children, and she can't stop reminding the readers about them.

Also, she talks in spanglish and everyone loves her!

>>90948489
No. It's just the recent Barbara Gordon Batgirl comics.

>>90948474
What's that from?

>>90948489
Nope. DC have two scenes like this. That one and one about WW complaining about mansplaining. Didn't do much though, after this failed to deliver money to their pockets, they switched to more fantasyesque stories.

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>>90948489
It's not fun to see both sides huh

>>90948525
Fuck, forgot to add:
>Nick Fury Sr. (diversity'ed and then further ruined)
>War Machine (killed unceremoniously)

I would be fine with some of these changes, but together... too much

>>90948535
"What the holy menstruation are you doing here?"

>>90948443
Like, Waid wants the Champions to be a political book. Why not have the group of teen villains be a group of poor kids who all have issues at home. Maybe one of them have a sick family member and another has a drug addiction, so on and so forth. Have it that the corporate groups are paying them good money and, for the teens, there is no other option other than to do this so that they can get money and they don't actually enjoy doing this stuff.
Or maybe they are trying to pay off their college expenditures and the corporations have enrolled them a great college in exchange for this work.

But no, they are comically over the top rich kids who have no reason to do anything they are doing.

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>>90948350

>>90948525
Each of these stories has a chance to be good in their own right. But the fact that they've ALL happened all at once is really jarring.

When Pete "died" and Otto became the superior spider-man, people were mad at first but gave it a chance. But when EVERYONE is getting replaced all at once, it just feels like a middle finger.

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>>90948525
>>90947968
>>90947999
why must marvel burtcher my chilhood heroes?

peter parker was replaced by a mulatto for fuck's sake

>>90948596
Green Arrow has always been an SJW

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>>90948412
Why do /tv/fags deny both companies have a couple of overly political writers but that doesn't smear the few good ones

>>90948646
And a hippie... and a bad surrogate father that allowed his protegee into a life of drugs.

Wonder if there is a connection?

>>90948633
>peter parker was replaced by a mulatto for fuck's sake

Not yet, but Bendis is doing his best to see Miles as THE Spiderman.

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>>90948646
Yet he is still more subtle than this.

>>90946111
I dunno, I'm still enjoying Spider-Man and Deadpool, AN Wolverine, RYV, and a few other things, right now Marvel is leading DC on my pull list. Maybe I'm just not triggered by things like this younger generation is.

>>90948596
>current storyline literally shits in him for not following what he preaches and being a white savior

Gee it's almost like looking at issues from both sides makes for compelling books

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>>90948614
>Nick Fury Sr.
more like pic

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>People crying about comics being political

Lmao dummies.

>>90948710
Every company will always have good and bad books. Law of averages alone is gonna dictate that.

The problem is that the bad books Marvel has right now are REALLY REALLY bad, whereas the bad books DC has right now are just forgettable. It makes Marvel look a lot worse by comparison, and so the whole "marvel is complete shit" thing has become a meme.

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>>90948596
>Look how shocking it is that super lefty SJW Green Arrow is identifying as a super lefty SJW! How could DC do this! They're just as shit as Marvel!

>>90948696
What a fucking faggot.

>>90948695
but why?

what did peter do wrong?

>>90948588
Doesn't help that the WW mansplaining one was in a digital first series that had no connection to the rest of the DCU at all. It was a two part story written by a first time author

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>>90948822
This is what caused the Marvel fandom to try and take Stan's head.

>>90948752
>fighting nazism is the same as being a SJW crybaby

>>90948841
He isn't his.

>>90948841
Bendis is incapable of playing nicely with anyone else's toys. If they don't belong to him, he doesn't want ANYONE to be able to enjoy them.

>>90948845
Yeah, it was a digital comic that was separated from main continuity.

>>90948822
>salty
>The one ture Superman is back marriage and all with his kickass kid in toe

>Marvel cucks their readers again after a year of hinting Thor is gonna get a hammer

Please find me one DC fan upset about this

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>ask marvel to make an important villain black
>then accuse them of racism because they emply blacks are evil
>???
profit

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Marvel as a whole is real garbage right now, but there's still some good books.

My Pull list:
>Nova
>Amazing Spider-Man: Renew Your Vows
>Spider-Man/Deadpool
>Deadpool
>Spider-Man 2099
>Venom
[spoilers]You're right about the stockholm syndrome with Venom though. It's a bad book, and I'm just waiting to see how #150 plays out[/spoilers]

books I'm going to be getting in the future

>Ben Reilly: The Scarlet Spider
>Peter Parker, The Spectacular Spider-Man
>maybe All new Guardians of the Galaxy (I like Duggan)

Other good books, but I'm not buying them
>Uncanny Avengers
>Moon Knight

>>90948946
Wasn't the big selling point of Rebirth Wally coming back? Don't get me wrong, I'm glad DC stopped shitting all over their best, but I don't think it was Superman who brought a bunch of old readers back.

What's Wally been up to anyway? /co/ seems to refuse to talk about him these days

>>90948872
>Nazism isn't political
>Times don't change
>Comics don't usually reflect the current political climate

>>90948820
>That page

DAMN SJWS ARE EVERYWHERE THESE DAYS!

>>90949136
He's in Titans right now. Not a bad book but it's meandering in its aim and o wouldn't mind a new creative team taking over to steer it straight

>>90949166
nazism was a real threat
cisgenderism is not

>>90949136
He's in Titans Rebirth.

>>90949136
Wally is in Titans.

>>90949133
>messed up the spoiler
SHIT

>>90949166
>an obvious foreign threat who committed genocide and threatened our allies and tried to turn our neighbors against us

Vs

>half the country is evil because how dare they have some different opinions and didn't have the privliage growing up urban according to Waid

Please find me a page from the golden age who blamed all of our country's problems on those who were afraid to fight in a foreign war instead of acknowledgin their stance and offering a rebuttal without stawmanning like current writers do

>>90949212
>>90949230
>>90949232
Yes, but has anything of significance happened to this character since he's been back? Tim died, you found out that Superman and Superbro were Red and Blue, Batman and Barry are going to investigate the watchmen event. Has Wally done anything since being back other than being a mid-card character in a mediocre book?

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>>90949357
>instead of acknowledgin their stance and offering a rebuttal without stawmanning like current writers do
Lol what? The country was very divided in the 60's about civil rights and the vietnam war. Unironically you cannot see the irony of getting triggered by phrases like your SJW counter-parts.

I've basically stopped pulling Marvel books. I'll buy the Omnibuses when certain runs are over like Black Panther and Ms. Marvel but whenever I pull a Marvel book now it feels like a chore to read. I'm not excited about the stories anymore. The Renaissance is over at Marvel and the pendulum has shifted to DC.

>>90949934
One, he's one of the few characters who remember pre-Flashpoint and has been dealing with the fallout that not even his wife remembers who he was. Two, what you just described were plots to another "company event" which frankly I'd be happy he steered clear of. The fact that we now equate character relevance with what company flavor event they're shoved into is why comics are in the shithole they are now.

>>90946716
>Shill posting most of the line-up is a shill
move along here folks, nothing to see here.

>>90946829
>Ah, the post of a non-reader.

How do you even sniff your own farts when your ass is that fat? Don't the patrician tier odors just get lost in your copious butt folds?

>>90950133
So, then, he hasn't actually done anything since coming back? Just got shoved into a team book? Seems kind of shitty to be honest, I mean, him coming back was such a big deal, and now that we're beginning to deal with that he's nowhere to be found? It feels to me that Wally coming back was just a gimmick to hype up old readers and after that they have zero plans for him.

I honestly hope that's not the case because if it is that's a shitty move.

I just want to read superhero stories. I don't want to read about grad student millennial heroes. I don't have a problem with social justice in comic books but Marvel doesn't know how to do it subtly and still tell a fun superhero story. DC does it without hitting you over the head with it.

>>90950063
First great assumption that not ahearing yoyr view on an issue means im obviously an alt right fag instead of someone who likes to not see people overly genralized due to one or two of their beliefs. Also did I say the sixties? No, I said the golden age like the example posted used to support their argument. The sixties were completely different issues and would be equating apples to oranges.

>>90950366
You'll notice it more and more. They're around.

>>90950262
>reading Wally reconnect with his best friends when trying to win the love of his life back who views him as a complete stranger is not doing anything

Stories don't have to deal with the world going to blow up to be considered "good". My favorite book Marvel had published recently was Vison. A book about him trying to have a family and the fuck ups that follows it. Nothing BIG EVENT like you want, but does that make it "doing nothing with the character"? No, the writing makes it a compelling self contained story without needed bullshit to stand out and on its own

All DC said was that Wally wad coming back and we get to read Wally stories again. We got that. Not having it be automatically shoved into some Crisis is the icing on the cake for me personally.

>>90950674
The scene where he raced Supes after their reunion was quite touching.

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>>90946660
> Marvel publishes more than 30 good comics

>>90946660
Half of the ones you posted aren't even okay. And some of them are fucking awful. At best five of them are "good".

>>90946111
>I swear it's fucking Stockholm Syndrome at this point

Or, you know, some people just like different things

>>90946690
>>90948136
I am fine with differing politics.
It just gets his message across in the most god awful manner possible.
For fuck's sake the new Falcon says out loud "what's up captain establishment your looking awfully white this morning" about Steve Rogers.

Or "make america marvelous again"

Or only black people coming to War Machine's funeral acting like a cult/family even tho several of them haven't even met on page before.

Nick Spencer has taken subtley behind the barn & beat it to death with a fucking rock.

>>90946716
Scarlet With & Gamora I will concede to you are good but Champions are fucking cancer.

>>90948820
But that is fair & balanced.
Marvel isn't offering a balanced argument in ANY book whatsoever.

Sam Wilson has some atempts at it with treating Us Agent In a rational manner & the murderous SJWs but it's liberal message is still so utterly irrationally unsubtle it insane.

>>90946111
>Supporting Marvel anything
With my money? I don't, no
Reading it? It's the characters I follow.
>Go read DC instead THEY know their stuff!
Perhaps but I'd have to be more invested in their characters.
I rarely read some current Superman, and it's certainly been enjoyable.

>>90948335
Not him but I really like Superman and though it's not amazing I like Hal and the GLC for the sublime Guy moments.

>>90946829
kek, all that delusion in your post

>>90951788
You're only seeing it as fair and balanced in retrospect.

>>90949136
I buy Superman comics now when I mostly wasn't during the New 52. It also does much better in my LCS.

noice noice

>>90947401
Are you really telling me you buy and read 30 comics a month?

>>90955919
The Marvel intern is just doing his job.

>>90947542
Are you a tasteless pleb?

>>90946660
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHA

If you actually believe this your taste is shit

>marvel publishes more than 30 good comics

This should be a new "muh mahvel" meme

>>90948338

Even with how bad this is, let us put this into perspective. You can scour Marvel's current catalogue and find examples of this kind of shit in pretty much every book. But this one example is from Batgirl. This is the only current DC book that really does this, and really, that's okay. That's the book that appeals to the Tumblr crowd. That's real diversity. They get a book, Batman fans get a book, Superman fans get their stuff, people who like weird shit get the Young animal line, etc. I'm totally fine with one book having this as opposed to an entire line where every single book is Tumblr: The Comic!

>>90948664
Okay, this one is legit stupid. She asks him why, then complains that he mansplained to her. I don't think the writer knows what that word means.

The fact that the word actually means nothing is irrelevant here.

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>>90946111

Why are quality of comics and quality of movies inversely related?

>>90948585
The ongoing Old Man Logan series

>>90946111
Neither is worth reading

>>90949133
Is that a variant? Nice art

>>90948869
It's common sense.

Today's Marvel would have made Black Panther become Captain America or Iron Man.

>>90948333
Still better than most of the garbage coming out from the comics. At this point, they are only thing that keep Marvel afloat.

>>90956794
If the guy were being patronising to her or rude, then "mansplaining" would work in context, but it feels like a very un-Diana thing to say. Her being an Amazon does not mean she would embrace such language.

>>90960762
The toys are what bring the most money.

>>90960930
And most of that is derived from the MCU.

>>90956686
I haven't been keeping up but didn't Deathstroke have a few moments? Like "we're in africa looking at dead blacks, why would the US care? and something about patriarchy when he's fucking his chick?
And then El Diablo had muh poor oppressed mexicans.
There's more DC than what we're discussing though I CERTAINLY understand it's not as great in frequency or heavy-handedness as marvel

>>90961698
That's why even if Marvel's comics are completely fucked up now, no publisher should get a free pass if and when it publishes a shitty comic.

>>90948031
most of the above here along with:
Nova's sense of fun and the amount of respect given to Rich Rider.
RYV's family dynamics and comfy writing
Moon Knight's art and also (to a slightly less extant) the story
Old man Logan for Lemire adn Sorrentino (which will be gone soon)
Daredevil and Black Widow for great art adn a solid (read: fine) story
Captain Hydra's storyline

>>90946379
10-16 year olds

>>90946660
I legit don't think I can name 3 good ongoing Marvel comics

>>90948310
>well written and well made
>Thor
>Iron Man 2
>Iron Man 3
>Ultron

Really, now

>>90948338
Why the everloving fuck do some artists draw those fuckhuge noses on women
Fucking why
They are as big as my fucking fist for christ's sake

As disappointing as Marvel's over all offerings may be right now the DC trolls are always going to make it seem 100 times worse to compensate for their insecurity over the DCEU. Then again they adamantly defending the New 52 from start to finish only ever being able to admit it was a disappointment after Rebirth launched.

That said I think Marvel could genuinely benefit from Quesada and Perlmutter getting axed.

>>90962882
Let's no kid ourselves that the people who buy floppies aren't thirty or older and aren't the very thing killing the industry at this point. If kids were buying floppies we'd actually have a thriving comic book medium once again like we did from the 50s-80s.

>>90962902
While I think the person you're responding to is baiting, if you don't read any of Marvel's comics then of course you're not going to be able to name any whether there is or isn't more than 3. So often people default on this /co/ hivemind opinion to claim something they don't read is good or bad, but since /co/ hasn't agreed on fucking anything in the last five years that just makes it all the more laughable.

tl;dr /co/ doesn't in anyway represent the comic book buying demographic, because if we did, good books would never be cancelled and things we didn't like would always be canned. We can bitch all we want, but so long as we steal digitally or only buy trades that's the fate of comics. Sure it's not our fault it's a flawed business model or that the diamond monopoly makes for self-defeating distribution practices, but the fact remains, comics are a fucked medium and playing brand warfare between the big two isn't helping anyone since neither company has had it's moment in the sun over the other for any permanent length of time.

>>90956825
Equivalent exchange

>>90946379

Because nowhere near enough people have wised up and dropped their ass.

HL Mencken was right when he stated that no one ever went broke underestimating the taste of the public

The problem with Marvel isn't that they are Social Justice Warriors.

The problem with Marvel is they don't tell good stories. Yes, there are a few good Marvel books coming out at the moment, but look at the horrid piece of shit that was Civil War II. Look at Champions. Look at Amazing Spider-Man. Look at any of the fucking books Bendis is on.

Even their good books are riddled with problems and it puts people off.

I want to add Hulk, Captain America, Wolverine, and Daredevil to my pull list, but I can't because none of the characters in those books are Hulk, Captain American, Wolverine, or Daredevil.

>But Steve is still Cap and Matt's still Daredevil

Steve is a Hydra Agent and Matt's a fucking prosecutor, which completely misses the point of Matt as a character.

>>90948820
Except he's not.

Ollie more or less is a progressive, not a SJW since Ollie isn't a closet fascist/censor who calls everything racist/sexist.

>>90951548
The funeral shit was due to the Americop storyline having to be rewritten because doing a story where cops were evil/BLM good when BLM was murdering cops in broad daylight, was too much even for SJW Marvel.

>>90951788
Sam got course corrected somewhat due to rewrites and Hydra Cap blowing up in Spencers face to the point that Brevoort had to cash in every favor he had to keep Disney from ordering Spencer shitcanned.

>>90961698
No, Deathstroke basically killed a ton of black people AND spared Clock King, who Priest de-blacked (Nu52 Clock King was black) and made a literal vampires who stays young by way of feeding off the lives of black children (which Deathstroke was OK with due to Clock King making a deal with Deathstrok, to deliver him the location of Wintergreen in exchange for letting him get away with his murder of hundreds of black kids).

A storyline Priest wrote, BTW, as a fuck you to black people after Marvel spent years only letting him write black characters

>>90948247
Yeah nuco fags can fuck off. Marvel is in a slump just like DC was with its shitty new 52. Did that mean that every new 52 title was utter shit? No.

>>90946328
>DCEU's moviefags
are not delusional.

You are.

>>90946111
I'm not sure what you're trying to say with your image

>>90946485

Well someone's gotta buy those extra shipped issues. Maybe you'll cover the owner's unwanted shipping costs.

>gwenpool is an actual thing people like

I thought spidergwen was bad but holy FUCK is this shit cringe.

>>90968191

Shit idea, good execution. It's basically the creative team that should've been on Squirrel Girl.

>>90968058
You can glean context by reading OP's post.

If you STILL don't understand, DC brought Superman back to familiar status quo, whereas Marvel teased a return to Thor status quo, only to pull a twist at the last minute by revealing this "War Thor" character instead.

>>90968198
>good execution
Meta humor doesn't make a story magically good. Sorry.

Literally the only reason people like Gwenpool is because of Gurihiru.

>>90968202
>DC are cowards that can't make anything other than cheap pandering
>Marvel at least takes some risks and doesn't cave every time the fans are upset

Woah, this makes me actually respect Marvel more.
They aren't as creatively bankrupt as DC.

>>90968191
It's just waifufags.

>>90968223

Marvel are just pandering to a different audience. If you want a comic that actually takes risks read Shade The Changing Girl.

>>90968223
>They aren't as creatively bankrupt as DC.
Oh you mean when they don't rehash events like Civil War and Secret Wars.

Or when they rehash characters with literal clones like Spider-Man, Wolverine, Hulk, Thor, Captain America, etc.

Really fires my brain meat molecules.

>>90968390
call me back when Marvel brings Star Wars in the main universe to explain why everything was edgy and bad

>>90968406
Marvel already crossed the bridge with Omega the unknown and Howard the Duck.

>>90968202
>You can glean context by reading OP's post.
>Look at OP image
>Supporting Marvel anything in they year of our lord 2017
>I swear it's fucking Stockholm Syndrome at this point
Again what am I supposed to take from this?

And am I supposed to celebrate the return to status quo? So the next time Jean goes I CAN'T CONTROL IT I'm supposed to rejoice? The next time they reset X-23 character into "I'm a killing machine who gets triggered by sent" I'm suppose to be glad?

Have we truly reached the point where people are begging for status quo to come back?

>>90968424
>Implying Marvel shills know Marvel.

They are only defending this for the money, anon.

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>>90946660
>Marvel publishes more than 30 good comics

>>90946111
Oh no! Some people like stuff you don't like!

>>90946716
No way you're not a shill, all of those are shit. All of them

>Champions
Just leave man, you suck at this

>>90946716
What was this?

>>90947295
To be fair, Wolverine was turning into a Cobra in this issue. Not really.

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>>90947056

Someone on another thread was arguing that Marvel had over 30 good comics

Lmao

>>90968645
Marvel pays their interns?

>>90946111
What's with Ultimate mjolrnir? I haven't read anything Thor related since Summer

>>90971915
It was here:

>>90946716
>List of GOOD marvel Books: Steve Rogers, Black Panther, Darth Maul, Hulk, Moon Girl, Ultimates2, Gamora, Rocket Raccoon, Daredevil, Ms. Marvel, Poe Dameron, Uncanny Avengers, Sam Wilson, Totally Awesome Hulk, Star-Lord, U.S.AVengers, World of Wakanda, Spider-Man/Deadpool, Doctor Aphra, Silver Surfer, Nova, Kingpin, Star Wars, Moon Knight, Champions, Spider-Man 2099, The Avengers, Occupy Avengers, Scarlet Witch, Captain Marvel, Ghost Rider, Foolkiller.

Stupid DCasual.