>15 seconds of 2D >It's the best part of the entire

They did, computer animation just sells more.

>>90918441
The reason that specific sequence worked so well was because it wasn't drawn out.

>>90918441
Never 2D is dead

They made two 2D animated features, and both under preformed
CGI keeps bringing in the cash

2D is box-office poison
the audience does not want it

>>90918575
That director from Princess and the Frog will never give up

>>90918575
>black people movie and something that sounds like an overhyped DTV sequal to Winnie the Pooh

>indicative of actual performance


Fuck yourself

>>90918492
Meanwhile 2D still sells more on TV. Weird how that works.

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>>90918575
>Disney don't do 2D anymore so 2D is dead

>>90918492
Wrong. It's a myth pushed by retard executives because they tried to push a black movie at the same time that 3D was picking up in the wake of pixar and dreamworks

>>90918661
Frogs aren't black

>>90918750
Yeah, it's just Big 3D trying to keep 2D down.

>>90918575
Then we need to break the preverbial audiances legs to make it popular again

>>90918770
Black people are though

Kids don't wanna see that shit, asian countries don't wanna see that shit.

>>90918784
It literally is.

>>90918750
So, why does nearly every French 2D films underperform?

>>90918514
It's ok Anon. I saw what you did.

>>90918815
Weak marketing, nobody knows about that shit.

>>90918441
When they master the Paperman Engine.

>>90918815
I watched a european cartoon once and it had beheading and cat rape

>>90918851
That isn't 2D.

>>90918668
name 10 American 2D animated feature films made in this decade

>>90918815
No marketing
Euroshit never gets pushed as hard as American animation does esp in the States

>>90918665
Flash and CalArts 2D tho

how is that any better?

>>90918441
When 3D stops making them literal boatloads of money

>>90918788
that would be a felony

>>90918815
>>90918844
Americans don't import movies and television, they export them. Even if it's a big dumb action movie, if it has subtitles it's an "art film" and thus lacks appeal to a mass audience. Marketing 101.

>>90918867
Then why is OP saying it is? That scene is Moana was done with the Paperman engine

>>90918974
If they kept going after Chicken Little there's no hope.

>>90918851
Moana was supposed to be done in that style

they decided against it

>>90918949
Flash is just as bad, it's the same puppetry principle as a 3D model.

Calarts 2D is bad looking but its the closest to what we got in the USA.

Hope Samurai Jack, The Jungle Movie and the new Frederator short series help move in the right direction.

>>90919002
Because OP is uninformed.

>>90919007
2D is dead forever

>>90919057
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two-dimensional_space

>>90919030
Samurai Jack IS CalArts
so is anything by Frederator

they are part of the problem

>>90918441
lower animations costs via computers

>>90918441
Did you not see that fucking hair? I spend my nights looking at looped video of the 3d characters touching their wet hair and masturbating. That hair is the best fucking thing since betty fucking boop!
>but muh nostalgia
Kis, gramps. The world wont stop for your tantrum.

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>>90918908
You said 2D.
I agree that American 2D is dead (besides a few independents).
>>90919030
Flash is a tool, you can do 2D with it.

>>90919099
You're being intentionally retarded, FUCK OFF.

>>90919124
You can, but they don't.

>>90919187
it is true tho
Genndy Tartakovsky is a CalArts graduate
and Frederator Studios was founded largely by CalArts graduates

The term "CalArts style" was originally coined in the 1990s to criticize them specifically

they are part of the cancer

I'm really tired of the samey 3DCG style just like everyone else here, but I think a lot of people tend to forget that 3D animation is still very new. We didn't get a full length feature animated film in 3D until the 90s. That means we've only had 30 years to work on the technology, compared to 80+ something years we've had with 2D animation.

Just give it more time, and I'm sure we'll get some more innovative looking 3DCG films. Disney will perfect the Paperman technology eventually.

>>90919258
Ok, but the modern term of EXTREMELY simplistic art stemming specifically from Flapjack and Adventure Time that is literally everything is what i'm talking about.

Samurai Jack looks good. Butch Hartman's toons with Frederator look like shit but the What a Cartoon! Shorts don't.

>>90919310
I don't mind 3D. Have a ball.

But let 2D shine too.

>>90919361
there can be only one

>>90919361
I love 2D to death, but it's just not financially viable anymore. Kids these days like 3D stuff. I don't think 2D feature length films will ever leave completely, as there will always be smaller studios like Cartoon Saloon still doing it thankfully, but Disney is pretty much done with it in terms of feature length films. It's a shame. But, like other anons said, 3D films get them literal boatloads of money, so they're not going to go back to 2D.

>>90918575
>except for anime
>see Your Name

wrong. animation is a medium, not a genre.

To all the peoples ITT who complains about the lacks of 2D animation:
When was the last times you went to a theatre to see a 2D film?

>>90919429
Were is the proof? There hasn't been one from a major studio in YEARS.

If Disney knew what they were doing they would make a super safe bet one, a princess or animal type with music, market it as "a return to classic disney" "instant timeless classic" having their paid reviewers namedropping the lion king, the little mermaid and whatnot and it would destroy the box office.

>>90919538
I saw the rerelease of the Iron Giant two times and bought the bluray. Keep an eye out for anything and will see it.

>>90919538
>When was the last times you went to a theatre to see a 2D film?
last week for an anime.

3D is easier to produce, and requires less skill over all than hand drawn animation. They can outsource it easier to india/china and get the same results. Thats the only reason 3D is being made more. Its also why they keep pushing it onto tv- its getting cheaper than sending 2D to korea now that the mainland chinks are trained in 3d. Less problems with QC.

>>90919646
3D is more expensive but it is a smart longterm investment as it gets cheaper by the day as it develops and you don't have to rely on anyone big because if Don Bluth gets pissy on a 2D project its a problem, if 3D assemblyline worker 5264 gets pissy he's replaced in a snap.

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>>90919538
>Watching kid's movies in public

>>90919721
exactly. QC is easier. No need to worry about off model drawings (its all rigged right!), poorly trained animators (just cut in closer!). Just shove some chinese and indians through a meatgrinder on how americans 'act' and make sure they dont make all the characters nod their heads all the time and presto- you now can by pass the unions that make you charge a shit ton.

Wont be any real animation done state side in the next 20 years (max, im thinking 10) except at small houses (like Laika).

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>>90919739
Fuck off cancer.

Reminder to watch My Entire Highschool Sinking into the Sea this April!

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>>90919836

Wasn't Moana originally conceived as a 2D animated film? What happened?

>>90919917
Thanks also

horsefucker is dropping flash and going toonboom for the movie, and is the start of a new animation studio

>>90919538
Spongebob second movie.

>>90919556
>having their paid reviewers namedropping the lion king...


Do you really believe on this meme?

>>90919962

i heard about Tangled having new experimental style.but not about 2D Moana.

>>90920015
That was two years ago, do you realize how many 2D feature films have been released since then?

>>90919508
anime does not count

>>90919523
>Adults think that 3D animation is "mature."

that seems to be the case
after all, the death of 2D began when Toy Story beat Pocahontas
(and Toy Story was genuinely better written than Pocahontas)

>>90920076
Name some that are
A. Widely released outside of major cities
B. Not Japanese
C. List the euro ones, but can you name American ones?

>>90920076
those were not American, so they don't count

>>90919556
Frozen was originally intended to be 2D

but after the previous 2D features under-preformed, they made it CGI instead

>>90919523
Meme. Almost all normies especially women I know watch classic 2D disney regularly, they go see the latest 3D shitshow because the kid is yelling about it after it being rammed down their throats on Disney Channel.

I don't buy the idea that audiences don't like 2D, all it is is that Disney have done so well with their 3D features (and botched selling their last 2D ones so badly) that they don't want to rock the potential cash boat in any way. Which makes sense.

Maybe eventually they'll put out "Disney's first 2D animated feature in 20 years!" and push that as a marketing gimmick, like they're going 'back to Disney's roots' or whatever.

>>90920225
And it would have done well.

If princess was CG, it would have done poorly.

>>90920259
explain that to the executives, and more importantly, the company shareholders

Moana was originally supposed to be done in the Paperman style, but the company shareholders vetoed it

>>90920316
I can't and it fucking kills me.

We need a new Snow White/Toy Story/Shrek to define a studio with 2D

>>90920372
I sincerely believe anime is our best shot at that and I don't even like anime. The numbers One Piece pulls makes Jimmy Neutron look like... Well, jimmy neutron.

>>90920372
yeah...
with Dreamworks on their last leg, it seems like Disney/Pixar will have a cinematic animation monopoly for the next 50 years

30 if we are lucky

>>90920442
It does not count if it aint murrican

>>90920442
Anime is helping fight the good fight but the culture barrier makes it difficult. Maybe if anime live action adaptations become the thing more Normies will explore anime.

Some mad man is going to do it and make a boatload of money. The executives and shareholders won't know what hit them.

Why did people hate Moan-A again?

>>90920572
They were facing financial difficulties not too long ago
and now Boss Baby

>>90918575
>two

You mean, like, all of them since the turn of the century.

Atlantis, Treasure Planet, Emperors New Groove, Fantasia 2000, Brother Bear and Home on the Range ALL underperformed.

Not a one of them made as much money as motherfucking BOLT. Do you even remember Bolt? That movie with the dog and the hamster in the ball? That made more money than any of them. You really think it was PATF that made them think "HUH! Nobody is coming to see this shit?" Think the entirety of Dreamwork's 2D output failing had more to do with it.

Maybe they'd have given it another shot if The Iron Giant didn't make less money total than The Lorax's Opening Fucking Weekend.

>>90919962
The bit you see in the OP was supposed to be hiw the whole film would look.

>>90920530
I think right now people ache for a classic Disney movie. That's why frozen which only contained mediocre reflections of what a renaissance Disney movie was like raked in the millions.

More adult traditional movies could work it would depend on marketing.

>>90920530
but unlike back then, Disney already has stuff that works for them CGI

why waste resources on anything else?

>>90920665
Poor marketing and oversaturation.

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>>90920657
>Hehe, that'd be hilarious if it were a real th-

GOD NO

>>90920621
women's rights werer a mistake

>>90920706
It's an untapped market. The hand has been played too hard in the other direction and there is a huge opportunity to grab before anyone else.

>>90920752
>>>/pol/

>>90920747
>Dreamworks is going down
>Disney will be left without competition
>animation will forever be stuck in current status-quo

>>90919646
I don't think it's cheaper to produce it, so much as it's cheaper to KEEP producing it. Once you've paid for all the assets and proprietary systems and shit, you can keep pumping out sequels at the theatrical level for less. Basically what >>90919721 said.

>>90920530
Hopefully, the uproarious and continued hype around the Samurai Jack revival will at least get networks to reconsider 2D animation auteurs. Studios if we're lucky, but I won't cross my fingers.

>>90920552
>Maybe if anime live action adaptations become the thing more Normies will explore anime.
The closest we'll ever get is stuff like The Matrix --> Ghost in the Shell, IMO. Doubtless some people will take an interest, but what anime really needs is more of a television presence in the US again. Like how after-school Toonami and week-long Adult Swim used to be.

>>90919980
It's encouraging that they seem to be adapting more of an 80s approach to plotting and style, but I worry the film's going to end up overstuffed with characters.

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>>90918441
>It's the best part of the entire movie
It's pretty cool, but I dunno. Might've been more memorable if it was a bit more shiny

>>90920792
but /pol/ is always right

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>>90920685
Good thing they didn't. Zootopia needed that Oscar

>>90920824
I doubt any theater would allow a movie like that

>>90920738
Oversaturation?

There was literally NO competition in 2D for most of them, for months. Hell, I don't think any other major 2D movie came out in the same year for several. You want to talk saturation? Disney was going up against Illumination, Pixar, Dreamworks, Lucasfilms AND Blue Sky studios in 2008. Bolt still made more money than any 2D Disney or Dreamworks film for ten damn years. BOLT. Their B-team shit.

Meanwhile, PATF had zero competition, came out in a time when family films like Chipmunks were raking in bank, in a timeframe that has lead to most of their successes, and she still fell short. It wasn't one thing, it wasn't one year even, it was over a decade of failures and unprecedented 3D success.

Lilo and Stitch, their high budget, critically acclaimed favorite, lost to Ice Age. That's how bad it is. Disney lost to Scrat.

>>90920824
I do think you're right, adults of this generation tend to be much bigger man children, in general this is a big problem but maybe it'll be something good for animation.

>>90920917
let us repeat

Nobody wants to see 2D
EVER

>>90920917
No lifetime oversaturation compared to the shiny new tech. plus Shrek spreading the meme that 3-D animation is for cynical adults too.

>>90918815
Americans don't watch foreign stuff. Not when it's live action, not even when it's in English. If something is popular abroad, they make a localized American remake for the American audience.

>>90920225
Frozen originally started pre-production and concept art etc since the time Walt was alive in the 1930s or such and wanted to adapt the Snow Queen, anon. Frozen's been "intended" to be a lot of things in different stages over the decades.

>>90919124
God, Motorcity was one of the best things I'd seen in a while. Why the fuck was it canned?

>>90920621
>And Maui is another emasculated guy who has to make it up to a twat (the goddess) because he's got a penis.
Maui was basically the star of the film, dude. Think about. WHO got character development in that movie? Who had an arc an actually learned something? Who got the best song in the whole film? Maui, Maui, Maui.

Maui was a story within a story, and the worst part about the film was Moana wasting his screen time. His tattoos alone were more interesting than Moana. What did Moana learn? Fucking nothing - how to navigate a boat. That's all. Her significant journey was to be Maui's sidekick.

>>90919187
calarts millenial 2d is garbage

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>>90921297

and it ended being the Lion King of our decade!

Great Success!

>>90921446
It is, exactly. Read on retard

>>90921451
Fuck you. See >>90920701

>>90921549
people dont ache for anything, they just liked Frozen because of the catchy song, song by a woman who got away with everything, horrible role model for moden females.

>>90921632
females don't need role models

they must be in the kitchen and make babies

>>90920442
Sucks to be you. The most popular late-night anime right now is an even cheaper 3DCG-anime about animals turned into cute girls with animal ears and tails park helping a girl with a bag on her back to find out what she is (she's a human).
Japan and the rest of the world only care about stories they enjoy, not "good" 2D-animation.

>>90921632
You're oversimplifying. But catchy songs and were a part of the renaissance

>>90921665
Stop false flagging traditionalism.

>>90921707
go back to Tumblr degenerate SJW commie

>>90921742
>he fell for the MGTOW jew

Good goy, repel all white women from your cause asians are better anyway :^)

>>90921737
>The reason that particular song about shirking your responsibilities is beloved by females of all ages is because it's inherent to Female Nature.
I'm sorry your crush rejected you in high school anon, but you need to move on

>>90921737
>The reason that particular song about shirking your responsibilities is beloved by females of all ages is because it's inherent to Female Nature.
Are you sure it wasn't because it was a catchy, uplifting, dynamic song that really kind of made the film? Because it COULD be a widespread genetic phenomena, or it COULD have merely been good music. Occam's razor says to go with the obvious, but your interpretation is definitely more interesting because it's bleak, and terrible, and implies kind of the opposite of what we're seeing in school attendance and degree acquisition and so on.

>>90921737
totally agree with that

Oscars are a joke anyway, Brave, Frozen, Big Hero 6, all these movie dont deserve their rewards, but they're from the Almighty Disney, so....

>>90921851
Like I said, one crazy fucker is gonna release the big one and rake in the millions.

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>another CG h8 thread

>>90918441
Because if they did they'd have to listen to us smugly tell them you're welcome

>>90920872
The girl has ayy lmao hands

>>90922108
Can you blame us anon? Its so stagnant and stale and 2D is barely alive.

>>90918441
Man... If only there was a 2D animated movie coming out later this year for the whole family. What are the odds of that.

>>90924115
:^)

I'll be there

>>90922128
KEK

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>>90918441
Dreamworks too

>Tease you with an amazing 2D sequence
>hour and a half of mundane 3D animals bouncing on things

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>>90918441
2D Wreck it Ralph is fucking amazing

>>90919980
That's...very interesting. It's by far the most attractive Flash show already. Not that that's a high bar, but giving the animators real tools to work with instead of ghetto shit from 2008 sounds promising.

>>90918908
So the entirety of Japan, China, Europe, independent features and television apparently doesn't matter because there are no animated American feature films by a major studio?

Go fucking kill yourself. You fucktards can't bitch when Disney wins every goddamn award and then cry that them no longer doing 2D means the medium is dead as a whole. You're being just as fucking blind and biased to the big names as the rest of the world who sees animation.

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>>90927678
Now you're getting it!

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>>90927466
Hey now, don't shit on KFP. They're possibly the best movies Dreamworks has done since going full CG

>>90927678
They don't matter when it comes to the trickle down effect of American TV cartoons.

>>90927520
What is this from
I need more

Why are anti-CGI fags so clueless about animation?

>>90929597
2D tests of the movie, there are lots of them

>>90930981
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVWtTPa7wLM

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>>90931028
Wow this looks really good. Fuck me I want Disney to do 2d again.

>>90931028
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1nfeBsZNC-U

They all have animation tests

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AR-jIpZlvvc

>>90931446
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AR-jIpZlvvc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AR-jIpZlvvc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AR-jIpZlvvc

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>>90918441
>implying CGI is the problem
Well done CGI is amazing. The problem is the generic, boring looking Disney/Pixar style. Every fucking movie looks the same. This is true CGI:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wq4Y7ztznKc

>>90927915
More

>>90931795
I don't see how this is any different from the final boss in Moana which was also inferior to the musical segment in Moana

>>90931795
desu that style of fantasy is also boring and generic at this point.

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>>90935802
What he really has a fetish for is the blacklight tribal paint thing.