So what are your thoughts on the reveal of Superbro and Superdad

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I'm ok with it. Pretty much the ideal solution. To it's only impressive if they tie it to pic related from Morrison's run.

But mostly I really just don't see why they wasted several months with the inbetween stuff and didn't just merge them from the start so we could get normal stories like every other fucking book. It wasn't worth it.

>>90847989
>Though it's only impressive

accidentally a word there

I started reading Superman with Rebirth because I liked the idea of post crisis Superman being in an unfamiliar universe and having a kid.
Merging him with Nu52 Supes feels like a cheap way of appeasing Superbro fans. I hope it's undone by the end of the story because I feel it'll negatively impact the narrative they had going with the father/son relation ship of Clark and Jon.

Until Superbro is stricken from canon entirely, I'm not buying a DC book.

>>90848074
Why? He'll still be superdad, just with memories of the new 52 universe. nothing else is gonna be different

>>90847816
I'm confused. Superdad is the 80's/90's post crisis Superman. Correct? I stopped reading some time back, but, I preferred him over the Nu52 Superman. What's this bullshit about them merging? Please tell me it's not permanent.

anti-mergefags getting BTFO fills me with glee tbqh

>>90848169
The preview has him unable to recognize Jon.
Also I'm confused what's up with Lois because her Nu52 self was still alive and even super-ing around on her own. Did she just poof into this merged Lois? (Who doesn't recognize Clark as her husband either)

>>90848261
The preview isn't the final merging obviously. Can't you read? Mxy clearly says that Jon didn't fix anything. And he also mentioned that he undid the identity thing.

>>90848335
If it really is just a merge I hope he's only received the memories of Superbro and is still largely post crisis supes.
Like post crisis is the main package, Superbro is the expansion pack.

>>90847816
How is Kenan still powered if Superbro is back? Shouldn't the energy have left him and returned back to Superman?

>>90848189
>Superdad is the 80's/90's post crisis Superman. Correct?
Yes, and technically the rebooted Silver Age Superman.

>What's this bullshit about them merging?
Well, to not spoil you further...that, they merged, so did Lois.

>Please tell me it's not permanent.
Well, it's comics, and the arc still has to end but it seems its gonna be the case.

>>90848417
Superbro's chi was divided between Lois, Lana, Kenan and another guy whose name I can't remember. Lois died, Lana gave up his part, but Kenan and the other didn't.

>>90848417
>>90848480
Weren't the Chinese sapping Clark and experiementing for a while? The bolt might not be necessary.

>>90848480
>Lana gave up his part
I thought that was a coma dream while she was in that healing chamber?
But also if Kenan didn't give it up how is Superbro back? Shouldn't he still be in Kenan and not able to return unless complete?

>>90848592
>I thought that was a coma dream while she was in that healing chamber?
I assumed the giving part was true but not everything else.

>But also if Kenan didn't give it up how is Superbro back? Shouldn't he still be in Kenan and not able to return unless complete?
I guess Lois or Lois/Lana's part are enough to have his "soul" back or his memories back.
We should wait for the next issues of the arc for more clarification though.

>>90848592
I dont think hes truly back. Just the part that was floating with Jon is able to manifest becauae reasons. We'll find out soon. The story isnt finished.
And i tgink its implyed Kenan has another souce for his powers.

>>90848592
nothing says he can't return incomplete

I think it's kind of dumb because it devalues then both as individuals. Basically they're saying there never really was a Superbro and it was Superman doing everything he did. Oh, you liked this new, distinctive take on a classic character? Well that's too bad, because he never really existed in his own. Superdad, too, I thought was a good contrast to 'bro, but by sticking then together they just throw all that out the window.

>>90848592
Lana clearly had a connection to Lois via the powers where they could talk to each other. The dream was likely real.

>>90848592
No Superman #19 proves that wasn't just a dream and it wouldn't have been advertised as a Superman Reborn ti-in if it was.

>>90848741
I'm pretty sure he is back he says in Superwoman #8 that Lana kept him and Lois alive in her and Mxy even says Superbro turned into Red Energy he never said he died.

>>90848261
New 52 Lois died a while back in Superwoman #1 and became Red Energy like Superbro.

>>90848252
Me to they hated Superbro and wished he was a fake but now that it was revealed he and Superdad are the same they're rejecting it serves those fuckers right.

>>90849214
I meant not completely seeing as Kenan still running around.
We'll see. I hope Kenan is able to keep his powers as its really interesting how the writer tied it into chinese lore.

>>90848391
Superbro is Superdad and Superdad is Superbro doesn't matter what memories he has both are the same man..

>>90848772
I'm a big superbro can still butthurt of rebirth and I agree with this.

What's wrong with having two Supermen around?

>>90848189
It is definitely going to be permanent but he'll still be mostly Superdad after the merge still keeping the marriage and the child.

>>90849538
>What's wrong with having two Supermen around?
Nothing we also have Kenan Kong as Superman the difference between that and the Supebro/Dad situation is that Superbro and Superdad are the same character and DC is obviously not going to have two versions of the exact same Superman around so their answer is a merger.

>>90848772
Would you have preferred Superbro have been a a clone impostor? Superboy Prime? Because those were what everyone on this site was thinking Superbro was gonna be and as a Superbro fan I hated those theories. I much rather him and Superdad be the same but split and merge than any of those other options.

>>90848772
I see this in a very different light.

Adding, and mixing in, bro's menories and probably certain history of hin, to dad's own memories and history is a way of acknowledge that bro existed, was real and matter: a way of preserve and honor his editorial history. And I'm oretty sure that the outcome of the merge is going to be a superdad with a certain grade if selfawareness of said merge and at the sane time that he still is himself, he is going to remember sone stuff from bro's.

It's kind of lije carrting a legacy, in a way.

It also is probably going to be a bit fuzzy in the derails of how it works, same as ir hapoens with the fucked up bachground of Wally or the Robins and Batman.

>>90848674
>I assumed the giving part was true but not everything else.
I'm pretty sure everything else that happened was true as it has Lana stating that her memories were becoming cloudy and that the universe felt different the result of Superbro and Superdad merging.

>>90849342
Yeah maybe not completely but maybe Lana and Lois's half was all he needed.

What is so wrong about a merger? It makes both versions real instead of Superbro being an impostor Superman like everyone said and for you butt hurt Superdadfags the Merged Superman is still mostly Superdad.

>>90850320
this is the problem.

It diminishes BOTH characters.

It is like they tried to get jason, dick, tim and damian and fused into a single TRUE ROBIN, it is retarded and we as readers would lose characters traits that are different from all of them.

Doesnt matter to me if Superbro was a impostor, he WAS Superman and acted like Superman all through his stories, what DC says doesn't matter.

It is like saying that Kal-L isnt the REAL Superman and the post-crisis one is the real one. It is just silly.

And for Superdad, well losing his earth and making a new family is just another story, trying to alter his own status quo with the merge is just retarded. Looks like they are losing steam with his version (Multiplicity was shit)

>>90849853
Yeah, I wouldn't want Suoerbrobto be a Fake clone or some shit. Having him and super dad be two heads of the same coin is better than saying superdad is the real supes. And like >>90849915 has a good point too. It allows Clark and Lois to keep both histories.

Also, the timeline is already crumbling around them and merging the two, see Superwoman. I loved Superbro, between Morrison, Pac, Yang and Unchained we had a lot of good stuff in the last 5 years, but I really, really hope SM/WW gets retconned out of existence. Literally everything else has been retconned on Wondie's book anyway.

>>90852486
Yeah things gonna get pretty awkward between Supes Lois and WW because of shit romance of new52 after the merge.

Thats the only problem i have with the merge desu.

>>90850968
But the difference between the Robins and the Supermen is that the Robins are different characters the Supermen aren't it's not like they're going "hey let's merge these two different characters who have no relation or connection to each other because why not?" And to me at least it matters if Superbro was Superman because it would be like DC giving us Superbro fans the middle finger and telling us that "oh you like this Superman well he was never the real Superman but an impostor".would have been horrible if they did that.

>>90854274
the problem is rebirth itself, the idea that new 52 is the post-crisis with 10 years stolen is retarded, it is back pedalling for both universes.

For me the story of Superbro is already told, he can rest in peace, but noooo, we have to sperg about the new 52 universe itself and creating more inconsistencies that we already had.

>>90854626
It actually makes sense that they're the same universe Flashpoint happened because Barry tried to save his mother and when he tried to fix it he merged the Post Crisis Universe with the Wildstorm and Vertigo universes which created the New 52 Universe. And yeah the 10 years thing is a bit of a retcon but the being the same universe thing isn't, that was true from the start.

>>90847816
>So what are your thoughts on the reveal of Superbro and Superdad being Superman Red/Blue?
Not being a longtime superfag I came in having only read the Superman Lois and Clark tpb; so I've been much less impressed with the series than a lot of people. Because the nostagiafagging is completely lost on me ( I had no idea who The Eradicator was; and had never read the original Dinosaur Island story ).

And I always thought the Eclectic Blue Superman was retarded.

So I dropped Superwoman after the first issue (and I'm not picking it back up for a crossover); dropped Action after the first arc (Never cared for Doomsday) and, again, not picking it back up; and now I'm dropping Superman.

I can get my Jon fix in Super Sons.

Similarly, I gave up on Kingbats because the main draw seems to be "'Member All-Star Superman? OOH, I 'MEMBER! 'Member Knightfall??"

This seems to be the current trend in capeshit, though: over at Marble they're already talking about a Tean Solo where she's ... dealing with the Phoenix. And a Weapon-X book. And ...

Of course, having said that, I'm still reading Titans, Teen Titans, and Green Arrow; so it's not like I don't understand the appeal. I just don't have the background on this particular title for any of this to hit me in the feels.

>>90855476
I guess it's all about personal preference but for me the Superman books have been the best they've been in years and I guess having a lot of knowledge on Superman is why I'm enjoying the stories so much

>>90855476
>I can get my Jon fix in Super Sons.
Fangirl detected. Opinion discarded.

>>90855564
not the same guy but I think these Rebirth stories are fucking mediocre at the best. They do not even look like they are telling stories at the present, they look like they are building up for some DC event in the future. The stories itself are bland and repetitive. Even Superman Reborn does that, the BIG story until now of Superman Rebirth is masturbating itself for something bigger in the future.

In the New 52 that wasn't the truth, the stories were always for the present, for the now, giving a sense that what you read actually matters in that universe unlike Rebirth so far.

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>>90855791
Also, Jon fucking sucks.

He is the most interesting when was being written by Jurgens of all people now he by Tomasi is Generic Kid Trademark. It is bland as fuck and even in Supersons, Damian is SO MUCH more of a character that makes me feel bad for the team for trying to put Jon against him. Damian outshines him by a far mile. This is why the original Supersons are way better and balanced, they were like Clark and Bruce with a little edge going against their fathers and not against each other, they were balanced unlike rebirth supersons.

>>90855791
Apart from the whole Mr Oz thing these books haven't really focused that much on the Rebirth mystery and I say this as being as big a fan of Superbro as I am Superdad but outside Morrisson's and Pak's run New 52 Superman books weren't really the best.

>>90847989
This fucking page keeps getting posted but I still can't make heads or tails of it

>>90856019
It's just one guy sperging on different forums. Just ignore.

>>90848391
All the fun of being married to Lois and having super-memory of fucking Wonder Woman.

>>90847816
Superbro is shit and he's tainting the real Superman

>>90856140
You Superdadfags can't say Superdad is the real Superman anymore since Superbro and Superdad are the same person.

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>>90855981
>>90855981
They were not the best but they were serviceable. I did read all Super titles of New 52 and even then, the quality of Superman/Action Comics were above the rest. The worst was Superboy (not even the Lobdell origin but the issues not written by him, not letting the character evolves and being shoved to crossovers).

Even Lobdell Superman was fun, I really liked Krypton Returns and H'el on Earth that are more Kara oriented stories than other crossovers, for someone who was reading only superman/AC it would be bad, but for others characters was really good (Kara dealing with clones and learning to accept Kon-El and such).

>>90849853
I would have loved it if he was Prime honestly.

>>90855791
>In the New 52 that wasn't the truth, the stories were always for the present, for the now, giving a sense that what you read actually matters in that universe unlike Rebirth so far.

C'mon, man. You know that isn't true. A majority of the titles were pretty directionless at the start, and only started feeling cohesive near the end of DCYou.

>>90856112
Truly, Merged Clark is the truest Superman.

>>90854626
It baffles me that there are people who are actually upset that the New 52 is being undone. Viva la Rebirth

>>90855476
>Oh no these characters with long, rich histories are affected by these histories!
Fuck off cartoonfag.

>>90856269
IKR five years of complaining and when DC does something about it people still complain.

>>90856262
And it was okay for being "directionless". It was like shounen jump manga, that at the start the stories are building character/world and episodic, then they after some time they do their "main story".

But even this was false, even in the beginning to mid of New 52 there was the Brainiac/Lois Lane permeating the plot.

>>90856269
The problem is that even for those who dislikes n52 the way of doing is bad, Rebirth is a literal patchwork, it is not an end for N52 nor a beginning for Rebirth, you can see this when someone get baited to read Superman Rebirth and are confused as fuck.

>>90856315
I think it's just a vocal minority made up mostly of the few people who actually jumped on at the beginning of New 52.
Both grognards and normies seem to be loving Rebirth. I personally felt actual real emotions reading a comic for the first time in years when I picked up Rebirth #1.

>>90856300
>I can't into reading comprehension
Never change /co/mrades

>>90856379
You keep talking like everyone hates Rebirth, but it's received high praise from all corners. You're just projecting your own frustration that the narrative isn't going the way you personally wanted it to on the rest of us.

>>90856399
>Y-you don't disagree with me you j-just don't understand
Never heard that one before

>>90856425
I dunno about other Rebirth titles like Titans, Green Arrow or anyother, but all Supertitles that are what I read suffer from shit to mediocre writing at the moment. And Superman/AC suffers the most from this narrative like Titans (or Wally West: The Comic) suffers too.

And I was reading Superman even before N52 and thank god somebody stopped that, after the ending of New Krypton and Grounded I couldnt even care anymore.

>>90847816
Convoluted and an odd fix as Superman escaped FS/N52 how could he be affected by anything Manhattan or any 5th dimension could have done to him (splitting him to be exact)

>>90856379
>But even this was false, even in the beginning to mid of New 52 there was the Brainiac/Lois Lane permeating the plot.

Even so it didn't really feel like it was meant to leave an impact, like that subplot in the 90s about Lex trying to ruin Lois' career after she tried to out him as a clone.

>>90856998
What? Superman's always been affected by that kind of thing. It pretty much falls under his weakness to magic. You know the quote about advanced science being indistinguishable from magic.

>>90855476
>using le south park maymay

Yeah I'm not even reading the rest of that shit. Hidden.

Merging is dumb, lazy and undermines the individual Supermen. I can't give an F anymore for Superman. Some effing imp can come and ave a hand to "fix" then it devalues every event. Don't come tell me it is legacy. The hell it is. It yr lazy company needing to have an excuse to relaunch and appease bitches.

>>90856998
It's not unheard of hell New 52 Superman had his life changed 5 dimensional being himself so it's not unreasonable to believe Superman can get split in two.

>>90847989
That page has nothing to do with the current storyline. If they were split, it happened before/during flashpoint.

>>90857703
>Merging is dumb, lazy and undermines the individual Supermen.
How? It solidifies both versions as the real genuine article instead of making one of them fake.

>>90856998
And who's to say he was unaffected by it? We don't know that, he could have been split before he got into Convergence and during/before Flashpoint.

So was Mxyzptlk split as well? Or did the Morrison stuff now outright never happen?

>>90858310
They're probably going to ignore it.

>>90858361

Fuck them, then. It wouldn't even be necessary. Just have Manhattan disable the Zrrrfians by splitting their entire dimension.

>>90858083
And I guess this is why many fans think Superman is lacking true pathos. Ultimately he lacks true growth. The character is really one of those stagnant heroes that people find it hard to connect to. Unlike say Batman, Superman cannot change. And if he does it's a cheat to say he did as he is back to what he was 3 decades ago. It's middle aged men trying to relive their youth, while the real world passes them by. That is Rebirth and DC team behind Superman.

>>90847816
I like the concept but it hurts my brain thinking about the logistics of it considering Superdad's past with all the Convergence shit. Like when did the split happen? Why was Lois also split and how does Jon factor in? Was the whole timeline split at New 52's conception and that's the world Brainiac stole Superdad and his family from?

>>90859893
I would say Superman becoming a father is progression and growth for the character.

Why can't Superdad get his red undies back and Superbro have the New 52 costume and keep both around? A merge is really cheap and is just a shitty way of getting rid of Superbro for good and hopefully appeasing his fans cause you know right after this memory thing ends he'll just go right back to Superdad and Superbro will be gone forever just as if they didn't do a merge at all.

>>90856532
>I-it sucks ok

>>90860120
Because they're not going to have two versions of the exact same character around and I wouldn't say a merger is getting rid of Superbro since Superbro is Superdad he'll technically still be around if you look at it that way.

But really for any Superbro fan against the merger remember it could have been so much worse Superbro could have been revealed as a clone impostor, Superboy Prime, or Kon-El I thin those would have been much worse so I'll take a merger thank you very much.

>>90859964
>Was the whole timeline split at New 52's conception and that's the world Brainiac stole Superdad and his family from

If you really want to get into a nerd fest about it, YES - this is exactly what we were told. Those bottle cities were taken at the moment of their destruction.

So, for example, Superdad (and Lois and the yet unborn Jonathan) were in Gotham - as Clark and Lois, for the Planet because Jimmy was also in Gotham with them (for some unexplained reason, since the last time we saw pre-FP Clark, he was in Space at the end of Black Ring/Reign of Doomsday) and Superdad was to fight Project Superman Clark, Abin Sur (who was dead, actually, Captain Thunder (also dead), Cyborg (I don't really care so I don't really remember, but also dead before the FP universe disappeared -- but yes, FP was the timeline split, New 52 conception.

IF they are the same person, simply split, it would mean that Superbro's memories of Jonathan and Martha are false implants, and his entire relationship with Diana is a married father cheating. It's problematic on multiple levels that have nothing to do with giving fans headaches.

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Sure merge them. That's a great solution, nothing can go wrong with that

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>>90847989
that red costume...

almost like comuinist red!

>>90861747

They will most likely retcon superman's relationship with Wonder Woman rendering it null. Supes would be tainted otherwise if they don't rewrite it.

>>90855929
>They were like Clark and Bruce
Then why not just read World's Finest? Sounds boring DESU

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>>90859964
>>90861747
What's most likely is that the split itself might have caused Convergence because who- or whatever caused it needed to place to put the blue half but he found a way to rebel against that and return to his universe around the time of the split itself. But even speaking in terms of "time" is probably misguided here because something that has that power can likely put things whenever they want.

But everything that happened in the new 52 is still real which is why reality itself will have to be changed a little to smooth things over. You can't think too linearly here.

>>90849755
The thing is, though, Superbro has gone through enough development by this point to be a distinct person. There's no reason he couldn't be the Power Girl to Superdad's Supergirl.

>>90849853
People were saying the Clark Kent which was a perfectly ordinary human was SBP, which was an intentional misdirect on the part of the writers.

>I much rather him and Superdad be the same but split and merge
The problem is they were no longer the same. Even if they shared a name, face, and origin, they were different in powers and personality.

The best way I can think of to reconcile it would be for Superbro to continue operating as his own character but with a different alias. Superdad stays Superman because he has seniority, and Superbro becomes The Kryptonian or something.

>>90855178
It makes sense narratively, but from a meta perspective it clutters things because you have to find a way to justify why, in the original Post-Crisis, ten years prior to Manhattan's dickery, things went so differently than they did in New 52, which is now supposed to have been at that same point chronologically.

>>90848189
Despite it being a merge, it's mostly just for the benefit of Pre new 52 Superman being normal friends with Batman and the rest of his colleagues instead of the awkward "That guy that's an AU version of our dead friend".

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>>90862119
>The thing is, though, Superbro has gone through enough development by this point to be a distinct person.

This is not true at all to me. Outside of a handful of issues at the beginning of the new 52 he has basically behaved the same as Superdad.

>>90849538
Because one would inevitably be given a dramatic world saving death during an event to show how high the stakes are.

>>90860424
That's not very good logic. Yes, it's not the worst thing that could happen to him, but that doesn't mean it does the character justice. Of course, whether it does him justice or not is going to be subjective, but my point is that you don't have to accept something simply because it's not the worst option.

>>90862155
Pretty much. WW is the only one whose relationship with him will likely change because of the merge (and good riddance since even Superbro fans didn't like SMWW) but everyone else will have their interactions with him rooted in new 52 events. Only way to give everyone a happy result out of it.

>>90862206
And this is a bad thing because...?

>>90862670
Because then you alienate a group of fans for no reason.

Merge allows both sides of versionfags to be happy (brofags keep their continuity, dadfags keep their marriage and son) and avoid shitting on those of us who are fans of both for a third time in less than 10 years.

>>90862172
Superman the image

>>90847816
I haven't followed that much since Superbro died. It sounds ok desu. What about Lois though? Was she split in two as well?

>>90863177
When they first clearly stated that there was a split Mxy only mentioned Superman. And the next panel showed her getting hit by the red energy as if that was meant to explain it but didn't clearly state that she was also split. It seems like the Loises are meant to be the same people too though so probably. I guess we'll see.

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>>90863282
forgot the page, sorry

I guess there's enough that you could large that the Loises weren't really split in the same way but the energy aligned them to the point that they are compatible for a merge. But yeah, not really explained yet.

>>90862476
The merger does him justice by solidifying that he is Superman, him being revealed as an impostor would have been disrespectful to the character.

>>90863282
I mean if it happened to Superman why not Lois?

>>90862115

I personally don't have the problems that some people are having with all this. I genuinely loved Morrison's Action run - it's something from that time frame that I've re-read multiple times and I can only say that about a few issues of the Digital First Adventures of Superman. My main issue with Superbro is the same problem I think a lot of people had with ALL or MOST of the New 52 characterizations and a lot of that was also poor writing.

Lobedellized is what I often see it referred to hear and elsewhere and some of the runs in the Superman self-titled were painful.

That all said, I don't have a problem with everything in the New 52 still existing either. There are fuck-ups (like Booster at the end of JLI) and lose plot threads and I don't think some of the writers, particular The Cereal King, have the talent to be pretending they had this long game all alone and are going to make it work.

Tomassi has done a nice job blending the ideas of others (as he did with Dino Island, which wasn't just a valentine to Darwin but also a nod to Morrison and Multiversity, as was Multiplicity. And he's certainly making nods to his own work, such as Bat Mom on the moon and the people at Bibbo's during that incident.

I don't have a problem with writing after the fact. I just don't see how a merger is a solution to this particular issue and it's mainly an issue because a very vocal set of people - all of a sudden - are now defending Superbro. I can think of plenty of story times in 2014 and 2015 where those people weren't around and Superman threads where the same selection of stories were offered and referenced (Red Son, Secret Identity, All Star, yadda yadda). I didn't hear a SINGLE person say: taco-loving Superbro or reference or name check a single page from any New 52 Superman book (other than Morrisons and VERY INFREQUENTLY Johns). And those were rare and 90% were towards Morrison's 19 issues.

>>90856222
Primefags are the worst.

>>90862751
Why would anyone be mad about a character they like making a heroic sacrifice if it means they aren't being retconned into never having existed?

>>90863378
Why is the only other possibility that you can think of him being an impostor? Why couldn't he have just been another true Superman?

>>90863452
Please don't assume that we're all like the vocal minority.

>>90863683
>Why would anyone be mad about a character they like making a heroic sacrifice if it means they aren't being retconned into never having existed?

Because they don't want their favorite character to stop getting stories. I don't think you get how this works.

>>90863451
>I can think of plenty of story times in 2014 and 2015 where those people weren't around and Superman threads where the same selection of stories were offered and referenced (Red Son, Secret Identity, All Star, yadda yadda). I didn't hear a SINGLE person say: taco-loving Superbro or reference or name check a single page from any New 52 Superman book (other than Morrisons and VERY INFREQUENTLY Johns). And those were rare and 90% were towards Morrison's 19 issues.

I think your memory is flawed because these things definitely did happen. Especially people liking Pak outside of crossovers (though even Doomed was recommended if you only read his issues of it) with the Subterrania and spoppy Smallville arcs. The main point of contention with Pak was that his stories never gave Clark a clean win, it was always something somewhat tragic but to me that was also part of the point. That he would endure and still stay try to himself as Superman even with the losses.

But even using your own logic, you also don't see anyone mentioning the pre-Flashpoint Superman arcs they enjoyed either. You have only named out of continuity stuff even though New Krypton had hype for it on /co/ as it was being published. I think there's just a minority of people on here in general discussing Superman ongoings. Like basically the only people you even see talking about Johns' Action run these days are LoSH fans even though the whole thing was good.

>>90863820
They're going to lose that anyway. At least this way the character's memory retains some significance.

>>90864128
Not really though. The continuity that matters to each sect will remain intact in the merged rendition. Basically everyone wins and no one has to feel bad that they won't get things that tied into the aspects they love. Usually once a character dies they don't really matters much unless they have a direct legacy (which is why all the Superbro mourning was a clue that he would come back somehow, it was beyond the norm to double down on how much he meant to the other characters so far after the fact).

>>90863683
>Why is the only other possibility that you can think of him being an impostor? Why couldn't he have just been another true Superman?
Because it's where everyone thought the whole thing was going until Superman Reborn was revealed showing Bro as Red and Dad as Blue/

>>90852486
I liked SM/WW

>>90865662
You're the only one, my man. It's still a mystery as to why it even happened considering none of the people you'd expect to be big decision makers like Johns or Didio ship it. And none of the creators on the solos wanted it either (as indicated by how they ignored it and teased other ships while it was happening). Can't even blame synergy since Smallville and MoS both had Clark/Lois. If it was just to be cheeky and do an alternative ship for a while wouldn't Clark/Lana be the more logical choice there?

I need someone to spill the tea on how it went down. Also I want to know what Johns originally had planned for his post-Final Crisis Flash run.

>>90864023

You are right about Pak being name checked - particularly folks calling it "Pak-tion" - but it was not a large group of folks. Busiak's and Johns pre-FP runs were often name-checked. Grounded was brought up, obviously not in a flattering sense. And most people who brought up New Krypton had nothing good to say about it.

There are always a few people that talk up Last Son and Johns. The only thing people universally like is the LoSH story (which I also personally think is good). I think negative reaction to New Krypton (since Last Son and Brainiac set it up), plus negative reaction to Blackest Night is what gets most people to either NOT react (meaning they don't agree with the Johns fans) or to state they dislike the arc or find it dull and unimaginative or whatever typical criticism gets levied.

Cornell's run, which is really more a Lex story, and even Reign of Superman (which is seen as the step child, and an ugly one at that, to Black Ring) was also often name checked. But find 100 Superman threads in Desuarchive over the last 24 months, you won't much praise for the ongoing New 52 books or stories. Sure, someone will praise Johns, or Pak, or praise Unchained, but in general the comments were not positive. I was mostly in story-times for Krypton Returns, Doomed and the post depowered Clark stories. I don't remember anyone really praising them.