Composing For Ben Affleck's Batman Spurred Hans Zimmer to

>>90791185
I think so.

If Bales Batman was "sadness" over his parents, then Afflecks Batman is definitely "Anger".

Affleck was the superior Batman in my opinion; however the killing fucked it up.

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>>90791185
>NOT MUH NOLAN

Yeah, I can see his point. Baleman was a start to finish deal. You watched Bruce train under the League of Shadows and adopt the darkness. You saw him at his weakest when he turns up at Rachel's location only to find Dent instead. Meanwhile Batfleck is already a Batman with a life's worth of experience. We don't see him struggle to deal with the death of a Robin, or any of the other things it's implied he's been through. So right now he's just a mammal-themed Punisher.

>>90791185
Dammit, Zimmer's score are the best part of the MoS and BvS.
I kinda understand his point but this is a real disappoint to me.
https://youtu.be/UJ6uMfqKckw

>>90791185
Part of me feel sorry for Ben. DCEU is really destroying him.

>>90791268
It would have been much better and make the audience understand Batman's pain if BvS show us Robin death instead of the Waynes.

>>90791185
>Composing For Ben Affleck's Batman Spurred Hans Zimmer to Quit Superheroes
>“Don’t say you will never do a superhero movie again, wait for somebody to turn up with an amazing script for a superhero movie.” And I suppose that’s what I’m saying: Can I please have the amazing script?
Hans literally calling every capeflick he doesn't compose for not good.

BvS has more rewatch value than TDKR.

>>90791268
This, really.
Like it or hate it you have to admit that Nolan Batman, we see that guy from minute one. Whereas Snyder Batman; a lot of his deal emotionally and character wise is implied rather than explicit, hinges on intimate knowledge, has happened off panel, or is purely symbolic.

That probably makes it a lot harder to get a feel for the guy and compose his theme.

>>90791354
That's a damn fine idea. It would've been different, too.

>>90791185
Well, that's probably fine, because the Dark Knight movies soundtracks were relatively forgettable, aside from a few tracks.

>>90791185
Why does this sound like yet another false flag?

Man of Steel and Batman v Superman had problems but all these huge problems DC is having is unfair. I'm legit sad over this.

>>90792151
Because the title is referring to BvS not the Batfleck solo

Clickbait

>>90792172
Zimmer is a hack tho. This isn't a problem.

>>90791185
He literally made his best work in years for BvS, the score of that movie was 100 times better than anything he ver did for Nolan

>>90792219
I liked how he worked in his MoS themes.

>>90792196
MoS and BvS were his best OSTs in years.
MoS is particularly beautiful.

The rest of Zimmer including TDK, is shit.

>>90792188
I knew it.

>>90792252
Lucky that he will never work for Marvel Studios then!

And if it were an origins story again, he would be saying that he lost interest because it's the same shit again. So what he's really saying here is "I just don't want wanna do superhero movies right now"

>>90792196
Wrong.

>>90792252
The MoS and BvS OSTs were better than their movies.

>>90792294
Nope. The movies were great, stop the memes please.

>>90791185

It's fine, the title its pure clickbait tho. He said somthing similar before th movi cam out, the intrvie makes him sound as if h is bashing affleck or bvs.

http://collider.com/batman-v-superman-hans-zimmer-junkie-xl-interview/

Zimme jrust didnt kne hwo to approach a character he had already worked on.

>>90792294
Yeah, that's what made the trailers so good. The ones for WW felt bland as fuck.

>>90791268
>>90791846
This, Batman DCAU film should really be a prequel or at least something LARGELY focused on his past.

>>90792314
Yes but the music was fantastic.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rdc6QjBNOOU

>>90791185
Wait, I thought it was BvS that made Zimmer quit?

Jeez how much of a shitshow was The Batman turning out to be?

>It just did my brain in to have written Christian Bale as Batman, and suddenly it’s Ben Affleck [in *Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice*]. And it felt like I was betraying everything Christian had done. So there’s a certain amount of loyalty attached to those movies, as well.

Official Nolanfags do exist! Get ready to hear "but Zimmer said..." for the next few months whenever a TDK trilogy vs DCEU Batman debate starts up

>>90792399
>DCAU


It doesnt matter ars long as Johns is involved

>>90791846
>Whereas Snyder Batman; a lot of his deal emotionally and character wise is implied rather than explicit, hinges on intimate knowledge, has happened off panel, or is purely symbolic.
And the really interesting thing is that a defense for this was "It will be covered in The Batman movie" which at the time seemed like it could possibly be the case but now we don't know what the fuck is happening with that

>>90792443
>Wait, I thought it was BvS that made Zimmer quit?
It was. Read the thread you flaming faggot.

>>90791185
>not muh
el oh el

>>90792443
God you faggots literally cannot read.

It is about BvS's Batman. He says that composing for Affleck's Batman was much harder than for Bale's Batman, because he connected more with Bale's version.

>>90791354
>It would have been much better and make the audience understand Batman's pain if BvS show us Robin death instead of the Waynes.
I love it.

>I suppose that’s what I’m saying: Can I please have the amazing script?

DCEU BTFO

>>90791354
>>90791888
>>90792597
But then you guys would just whine more about "rushing".

>>90792606
Yes anon, Hans Zimmer composes every MCU and Fox movie.

>>90792612
If we got ANYTHING besides seeing the Waynes getting killed yet again in a live action movie I would not whine over it.

>>90792645
But if that wasn't there critics would whine even more about the movie being "Contextless".

>>90791185
BWAHAHAHAHA Dickless Cumchumps BTFO!

>>90792645
>If we got ANYTHING besides seeing the Waynes getting killed yet again

It took less than minutes

>>90792665
>Snyder movies showing emotional character moments
>Not something the critics said his movies lacked

What Earh do you think you're on?

I guess it's all up to Junkie XL now, huh?

Though it can't be that hard to come up with an orchestral number.Hiroyuki Sawano probably made the best non-Batman-totally-Batman-theme I can think of for Kill la Kill.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSAp991JIVs

>>90792721
Reword your post please. I don't get what you're trying to say.

>>90792151
MARVEL DISNEY ILLUMINATI FAKE NEWS! BRIBING REVIEWERS WITH SLUSH FUND MONEY! IT'S ALL A CONSPIRACY, DC IS ACTUALLY GOOD, THEY JUST MKULTRA BRAINWASHED YOU INTO THINKING IT'S BAD!

>>90792252
>DCEU Zimmer is great, everything else he did was worthless shit
This is what Dumb Cucks actually believe.

>>90792732
Zimmer has never composed for Marvel or even considered it, and he never will. Marvel's soundtracks are as bland, generic and forgettable as the movies themselves. Hence, zero oscars. Now please fuck off

>>90792712
We didn't need it. And it's inclusion is what led to MARTHA. Robin dying would have been something new in the realm of live action and it would have set up Batman's current mindset better.

>>90792798
GotG main theme wasn't bad. And Avengers one, but they sound almost alike. Other than that I agree.

>>90792665
The lessom that you should take out of it is that it is hard to save this turd.

>>90791846
You don't have to sit through 3 shit movies to understand a character. Affleck actually felt like Batman. Bateman was just a dude in pseudomilitary equipment with a shit voice.

>>90792829
>GotG main theme wasn't bad
I literally can't remember and I love that movie and I am a DCbro

Nolan was dogshit, you could tell he was only interested in making Batman seem muh mature and dark gritty for the sake of making comic book movies appeal more to adults than kids. It's like he just hated fun and wanted to do make something cinematically impressive and show off his visual effects skills with Batman as a backdrop.

>>90792854
Also, Afflecks opening was better than 3 movies combined m. Having little Bruce Rising with the swarm of bats was genius.

>>90792855
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GBp1Y-LoObs
I actually stumbled upon it first and liked it and then watched the movie so that's how I remembered it. But even if it is forgettable for most I think it's really good.

>>90792645
This.

And besides, they already revealed that Robin is dead and that The joker killed him. So, have a scene with Batman hugging Robin's dead body and the joker's laughing in the background without showing him or do the same scene in utrh which was excellent.

>>90791354
>It would have been much better and make the audience understand Batman's pain if BvS show us Robin death instead of the Waynes.

This at least would've had the movie off to a great start. Seeing the Wayne's die for the billionth time in an awkwardly-staged retread started the whole thing off on the wrong foot. It also would've halved the number of "Martha"'s they could've cut to, leaving us with just the grave, the dialogue and all that, which would've made it much more subtle and much cleaner when it happened. I didn't mind the Martha thing, I just thought it was a bit heavy-handed and probably would've worked better if Lois said it.

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>>90792820
>And it's inclusion is what led to MARTHA.
I thought the Martha angle was a clever way to snap Bruce out of his lunacy desu.
I don't get the memes.

>>90793055
>awkwardly-staged
Yeah, Miller's TDKR Wayne death scene was so awkwardly staged, right?

>>90791846
I hate how true this is, because Affleck's Bruce is a much stronger, much more involved character than Nolan's perpetual mope.

>>90791185
he's right, but it's really Snyder and WB's fault. his MoS themes were good though, and did evoke Superman much more than Snyder did.

>>90792878
> and wanted to do make something cinematically impressive and show off his visual effects skills

This is applicable to every film Nolan's directed. The only thing he did that was character driven first was a remake of someone else's movie (Insomnia) but it's worth watching to see 2 veteran scene chewers underact each other under the table. If he could channel what he did there into another non-action film he'd be revered.

>>90793152
The way they handle it was awkward and unintentionally hilarious.

>>90793152
Because every step that lead to that point was ridiculously contrived and the plot relies on "our characters being idiots that refuse to communicate until it's the part of the script where they need to communicate."

>>90793295
Also this.

>>90793295
>and unintentionally hilarious.
People say this about anything they don't like these days tho.
Cynicism is passe. I thought the scene was great, myself.

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>>90793316
>Because every step that lead to that point was ridiculously contrived and the plot relies on "our characters being idiots
This is literally every blockbuster movie though.

Take Star Wars '77.

Leia says "they let us go, it's the only explanation for the ease of our escape".
Then she leads the empire right to the secret Rebel base.

So many movies people love have SHIT writing.
Hating BvS is such a boring meme.

also, see
>>90793342

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>>90793168
Frank Miller's depiction is told in quick, momentary extreme closeups showing quick, awkward movement. It seems slow because it's on a page, and Miller's division of the panels gives each moment the significance it needs, without slowing the pace. All the faces are obstructed or off-center, and Chill's wriist gets caught in Martha's necklace in the aftermath of the shot. Also, the whole action takes place in the cramped, claustrophobic crime alley, which allows for these gorgeous stark blacks Miller's so good at to let the action pop, which is why even though Bruce's face is off-center and obscured, his pale shock and horror shines through. Also the movie they see is Zorro, because that's the movie Batman sees with his folks and it's silly to change such a minor detail to suit your silly thematic crap. Nolan did this too.
Snyder's murder is set up on the street, outside

>>90791185
Surprising to find some artistic integrity in Hollywood.

>>90793399
And?
What is your point?
How does your imagined timing change the staging?

>>90793431
Snyder's scene takes place on the street outside the alley, where the Wayne's could move anywhere around Chill, the whole thing is illuminated by the garish lights of the theatre, there are frequent cuts to Thomas and Bruce, it's all in super obnoxious Snyder Slo-Mo(TM), and Martha, the whole reason the scene is there in the first place, barely has any actual visual prescence in the scene. I didn't even know it was whatserface from Walking Dead playing her, she barely matters, Comedian's reaction matters more. And Chill's gun gets caught on her pearls this time, and before the gunshot goes off, which means he's have to be at an incredibly intimate, awkward angle and that she has a pearl necklace longer than a 20s flapper. But hey, logic doesn't actually matter as long as Snyder gets his slow-mo porn shot of the pearls.

Stop comparing competent artists to your crappy kino flicks, these movies are shite, and you reinforcing their pretentious bullshit is only making it harder for people who actually read the comics to have their legitimate grievances heard so that we might someday get a half-decent DC movie.

>>90793386
>shit writing is fine as long as it has company
That's an awful argument.
>your opinion is just a meme
Look, there are things I LOVE bout BvS, the problem is that they're immediately ruined by the rest of the movie.

The opening sequence is AMAZING....right up until the point Bruce says "I have this dream every night."
>Don't worry stupid audience. I know the presence of Martha's pearls in the batcave and kid-bruce flying towards the light would have really confused you if we didn't IMMEDIATELY TELL YOU it was a dream

>>90792612
I wouldn't since they already established that Robin is dead. Showing us his death while keeping his identity secret and Batman mourning him like he just lost his son will make him sympathetic and his anger more understandable.

>>90791354
This. Everyone and their grandma knows how the Waynes died. Robin's death would have set up the movie much better.

>>90793441
None of what your saying answers my question. You're just trying to justify an irrational bias.

>>90793399
Zorro was Now Playing

Excalibur was Next Attraction

But blame Snyder for not getting clear shots

>>90793482
>The setting doesn't change the staging of a scene you're just justifying your bias
wew, lad

>>90792314
>>90793152
>>90793386
No one's even posting sad ben or laughing chris or any of that, stop bringing up memes.

>>90793486
That scene was shot in IMAX ratio. ZORRO was clearly in frame in the IMAX theater.
Blame Warner's home video division for not making the Blu Ray have shifting aspect ratios like Nolan Blu Rays.

but who am i kidding fuck Snyder amirte

>>90793342
The dialogue really made it seem he forgives Supes because of a silly coincidence. He isn't strange to the idea of an alien having parents.
>I bet your parents taught you that you mean something, that you're here for a reason. My parents taught me a different lesson, dying in the gutter
But then WHAT DID YOU SAY THAT NAME?! It could've been handled way better. You get the writer's intention but still people chuckled at this and at Bruce smashing a battube on his head.

>>90793523
>and at Bruce smashing a battube on his head.
This is the type of shit I mean.
Who is this cynical that they don't think that was meant to be funny?
Everything and the kitchen sink.

>>90793486
Yeah, that's kind of my point. He had the Zorro title built onto the set, but didn't show it at all because he has to have EXCALIBUR flash over Thomas' shoulder throughout the entire scene so that he can reinforce his stupid Arthurian hero theme bullshit that he doesn't maintain.

They should have just kept him doing the Superman parts. Did he do the WW theme?

>>90792798
>talking shit about based Silvestri
Companywar fags have no shame

>>90793521
But in normal theaters you could also see zorro and under Excalibur you clearly read next wed. Zorro was a big thing in bvs that's why batman brands some criminals

>>90793547
see
>>90793521

STOP. THE. MEMES.

FUCK

>>90791185
I think we all know Zimmer just doesn't like Gal Gadot for some reason.

>>90792882
You have a low threshold for genius

>>90793521
Most of the world didn't see the theatrical cut in IMAX.

>>90793342
>People say this about anything they don't like these days tho
I don't like King's Batman and I don't think it's "unintentionally hilarious", but just plain awful.

You like the scene? Good for you, but there are legitimate reasons why many didn't and thought it was bad and their opinions aren't "meme".

>>90793569
>legitimate complaints about the movie are memes

I literally sat down and explained to you why that scene is awkward and why it doesn't work as an adaption of Miller's scene or a particularly good scene to open your highly-anticipated blockbuster masterpiece on, and all you can parrot is "STOP MEMEING"

Kill yourself, you deluded fanboy. This movie sucks and no amount of capslock will change that.

>>90793573
Is he German?

>>90793598
My point is that Nolan (and Hunger Games) get the sifting aspect ratio treatment on home video, while Snyder does not. That's not his fault.

>>90793617
>I literally sat down and explained to you why that scene is awkward and why it doesn't work as an adaption of Miller's scene
No, you truly didn't. I'm not kidding, nothing you said was a good argument.

>>90792854
>Affleck actually felt like Batman.

That's your opinion, but more than that, Zimmer had trouble discerning Batfleck's characterization in the movie. He thought the script was lacking, and that made him decide to call it quits.

>>90793650
>compared the two scenes and how one does something the other doesn't do, and how the things they both do one does poorer.

Whatever man.

>>90793685
Is Zimmer an arbiter of taste now?

>>90793702
>poorer

>>90793702
Let me ask you a question I think I know the answer to- do you think Snyder butchered the 300 comic, fucked it up, ruined it, shit on it, blah blah blah?

>>90792728
What does that track have to do with Batman?

>>90792882
It confused people some idiots in this very same board asked why he could fly and others thought it was a Jesus metaphor, after all Jesus is famous for his flying powers. It was a great escene, and the normal public had no problem with it, /co/ is below normal intelligence

>>90793703
I literally just said it was an opinion, and you're still missing the point. Zimmer says he quit because he had trouble delving into this character. He thought the script didn't give him enough to work with to find score Batfleck's character and scenes.

>>90793778
>/co/ is below normal intelligence
Harsh but true.

>>90793765
Not him but I got the point and I had never saw that show, the music sounds like something batman related from the 90s. Use your ears.

>>90793778
>It was a great escene, and the normal public had no problem with it

Please tell me how you deduced the "normal public" had no problem with it? I thought the movie was underwhelming, and I'm sure the normal public did too.

>>90793830
It doesn't make me think of Batman at all.

>>90793867
Your second sentence is changing the focus of discussion from the scene to the whole film.

You sneaky faggot.

>>90791185
What. I thought it was because of BvS.

>>90793890
read the godforsaken thread

I swear to god, DC's movieverse is ruining everything!

>>90793889
okay, here babe

I thought the dream sequence of bats lifting up Bruce was dramatically inert, and I'm sure the normal public did too.

Fuck it, let me spell it out for you. You have no way of knowing what the "general public" felt.

>>90792252
But Interstellar and Rush were his best work since Gladiator

>>90793926
>and I'm sure the normal public did too.

>You have no way of knowing what the "general public" felt.

really made me think

>>90791185
I love it.

>>90793685
He didn't said that and more important you are reading what you want to read in a clickbait article. Your bias it's too obvious. Even before the movie was out we knew he didn't wanted to do the batman parts, he was supposed to work only with superman read the collided interview in this very same tread.

>>90793959
Don't engage with shills, anon.

>>90793937
That was my point. I threw it back at you in an attempt to show you how meaningless it is. Anyone can say what the "general public" felt. It's a useless measuring stick because you can't actually measure it.

>>90793959
You're wasting your time, these are the same guys saying that Suicide Squad flopped but Dr Strange somehow didn't, or that Marvel comics are perfectly fine and keeping the industry alive.

>>90794002
>I was merely pretending
I don't buy that for a second, anon.

>>90793926
He wasn't the original poster I was, you are a dumbass, normal people though it was just a dream and that wasn't really important and people that actually pays attention though it was representative of Bruce using the bat as a totem for his elevation into more than just a man (or the ubermensch if you want to go with the man without God stuff that is in the movie). Faggots like you complained about being some Jesus stuff.

>>90793959
>>90793976

>The Ben character is more middle-aged, he seems to be grumpy as hell but I didn’t feel the pain that I felt in Christian’s performance. And it was that pain that made be interested.

>Ron Howard actually said something very smart to me. He said, “Don’t say you will never do a superhero movie again, wait for somebody to turn up with an amazing script for a superhero movie.” And I suppose that’s what I’m saying: Can I please have the amazing script?

Words straight from the horse's mouth. Seems pretty clear cut to me.

>>90793589
Try to sum up Batman in a couple of minutes that isn't some shit montage, faggot.

>>90794054
>Catalog
see
>>90793959
>he didn't wanted to do the batman parts, he was supposed to work only with superman

Get a better job, shill.

>>90794023
>normal people though it was just a dream
I would hope anyone who has ears thought it was a dream, since Bruce clearly says it was a dream.

>>90794022
In any case, do you see the point? That anyone claiming what the general public knows is nonsense?

how does he feel about BANE?

>>90794078

But he did say it. Have you read the OP article? It's literally an interview with Zimmer.

>>90794100
>That anyone claiming what the general public knows is nonsense?
no

>>90794127
>But he did say it.
No one is denying this, Mr. Shill.
Consider my posts to you a favor, I know you get paid per post.

>>90794127
It is just lies, shill.

>>90794130
Well now we're really getting to it here. What makes you think you know the general public's reaction to that one scene?

>>90794078
>>90794054

>http://collider.com/batman-v-superman-hans-zimmer-junkie-xl-interview/

http://collider.com/batman-v-superman-hans-zimmer-junkie-xl-interview/

http://collider.com/batman-v-superman-hans-zimmer-junkie-xl-interview/
Fucking retards

>>90793926
Yet you've just made an assumption for the general public.

Smart move, fucko.

>>90794159
poopy butt

Samurai Jack RIGHT NOW, is doing Batman arc on BvS, but way better.

>>90794149

>>90794078
>see
>>90793959

>>90793959
>he didn't say that

The post straight up claims that Zimmer didn't say that. Which is false.

>>90794165
So now you can see that anyone can do it, and it's meaning less. Even some random moron on /co/ who you disagree with can say it. It's a meaningless claim.

>>90794196
>The post straight up claims that Zimmer didn't say that.
Source?

>>90794100
>I would hope anyone who has ears thought it was a dream, since Bruce clearly says it was a dream.


Yes, and yet people in this board were asking why he could fly when it came out, same as people that still insist the movie did a bad job being clear about batman only being murder bats for the last year and a half

>>90791185
Wow, some actual artistic integrity?

Cool.

>>90794162
He said both. Both of these articles are interviews, and they don't contradict each other.

>>90794181
>the movie did a bad job being clear about batman only being murder bats for the last year and a half
>>90794181

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>>90794245
>hat still insist the movie did a bad job being clear about batman only being murder bats for the last year and a half
This was the worst fucking thing.
What happened to paying attention?
People here seem to love Morrison, and Morrison makes BvS look simplistic and easy to follow.
I don't get the retard nonsense that haters of this movie dig out of their asses, I really don't.

>>90794240

Right here >>90793959

>>90792252
Don't forget the makeup :^)

>>90794271
When you're Has Zimmer I imagine it's not too difficult to say no to big studios.

>>90794310
Source on your source?
>not sourcing your source
Gonna need a source.

>>90794357
I'm sorry, which source?

>>90794394
The sourced source from the source wall.

>>90794405
Source?

>>90794448
yes

>>90792314
They really weren't. /co/ elevates them to be contrary and because of petty brand warfare. They were okay at best. But if you want to snuggle up to Snyder's dick along with the rest of the defense force, no one can stop you from doing that. Hurhur muh kino normies jus don get it. Hipster trash.

>>90793879
That's your problem.

>>90794988
>Hurhur muh kino normies jus don get it.
ebin strawman
I just watched them and enjoyed them.