Attention Everyone: Every lackie, cronie, and general baddie

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>>90732111
Not all of them. Watch, I'll name one that isn't.

Shenzi.

There we go. Everything's good now.

>>90732111
Gays are evil bootlicking toadies in real life anyway, right?

>>90732111
>LeFou
Could there be a gayer sounding name?
I'm fine with this

>>90732111
The remake or whatever is probably shit, I'm not gonna see it, I don't even like the animated version really, but

If they hadn't made him gay, everyone here would be going "LOL LEFOU WAS SO FUCKING GAY" anyway. I'm not sure why it's suddenly an issue with him of all fucking characters.

I mean, yeah, I guess you could say it's "problematic" or whatever to make the villainous henchman gay. But he also leads a song about how fucking sexy and manly Gaston is; you can at least see the logic behind that decision.

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>>90732111
LeFou was always obviously gay for Christ's sake.

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>>90732206

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>>90732273
It's transparent, lazy virtue signaling in a weak attempt to drum up interested and free publicity in a movie nobody cares about

>>90732303
And it never had to be spelled out before because from a narrative standpoint it was a very minor detail. And now we're making a big to-do about it just to seek easy accolades without really adding anything to the story. It's cheap and tacky.

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>>90732111
Why him though? There were better characters to make gay.

Why shoehorn gays into a story that didn't need them?

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>>90732111

>>90732389
I know you're joking, but if they made that obvious pussy hound gay I'd have had a fucking conniption fit. The stereotype of flamboyant = gay is persistent enough without turning every Don Juan Casanova into a dick thirsty butt pirate in denial.

>>90732389
Something anthropomorphic objects not actual gays something

>>90732436
>"Yeah the guy who was eye-raping the maid at the end of the movie totally loves dick"

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>>90732389
>make the guy whose entire sideplot involved trying to fuck the maid gay
>instead of the guy who sings a big gay ballad about how much he loves his sexy manly Adonis Gaston

>>90732418
Because
>"muh representation"

>>90732436
There's that prevailing theory that everyone is a little bit gay (except gay people who are completely gay and not straight at all)

>>90732457
LeFou was lusting after the bimbettes too so shut the fuck up

>>90732189

Don't girl hyena's have cocks that they use to rape the males? What's gayer then a girl with a cock?

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>>90732486
>What's gayer then a girl with a cock?

>he doesn't like dickgirls
You, apparently.

Faggot.

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>>90732498
Oh you futa faggots and your closeted homosexuality. Don't bother denying it, the first retort is always "You don't like dick? Faggot"

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>>90732443
>Something anthropomorphic objects not actual gays something

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>people getting mad about shit in a movie none of them were gonna watch anyway
Never change, /co/

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>>90732550
Just sick of clicking on some porn thumbnail without playing "find the penis" and seeing another 3 foot long horse penis on an otherwise attractive girl

>>90732436
He's French. Even the gay guys there hit on pretty women, it's basically a national pastime.

>>90732436
>>90732461

I assumed they meant Cogsworth whose voice actor (the guy from MASH) is gay.

Did you see the "it wasn't a chicken the woman killed it was her own baby" episode of MASH.

That shit was fucked up like the Korean War was fucked up.

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>>90732579
Riddle me this fagman, how is porn with a dickgirl plowing a woman speaking to my latent homosexuality

>twice as many tits hips and lips
>a dick pumping into a vagina

faggotry at its highest peak amirite

what does it say about you that that turns you off

>>90732303
Right, so why does it need to be a "big reveal" now? If typical storytelling 101 is show don't tell, why the fuck are they telling us that LeFou is gonna have a big gay moment with Gaston? Was his infatuation not enough?

>>90732620
Tell me what the testicles add

>>90732620
it's because most people are vaguely bisexual but maybe only a tiny bit, people worry too much about a totally normal human thing.

>>90732111

Anyone else mad not that he's gay now, but that they're clearly shoehorning it in for brownie points? I don't hate gay characters, but I hate it when creators change well-established characters' backgrounds to pander to the current political climate. Kinda like with Mr. Sulu in the recent Star Trek movie: no reason for him to be gay now.

Why can't creators take a risk and make a well-developed new character where a part of what defines him is that he's gay? Why do they have to take the cheap route and retcon a former character to shoehorn it in to turn them into the obnoxious token gay character.

>>90732683
Yeah I'm pissed too

The best part about the Sulu think is Takei didn't like that they did that because he had respect for Gene Roddenbury and his character

>>90732577

If 4Chan had a mechanic whereby I could upvote this comment I would.

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>>90732641
why don't you tell ME, you're the one implying you can't get off unless there's a man's body in the frame

>>90732683

In perfect seriousness, I haven't seen the movie and I don't even know if it's out in theatres yet, but I have this *sense* that it's probably not a big deal in the movie itself, but that Disney's marketing people decided to make a big deal out of it for free publicity which will get them more attention and more money.

I could easily be wrong, but if it's no more than a single throwaway line or two in the movie, which contextually I think is a safe bet, let's then apportion the blame for this cynical marketing where it belongs.

>>90732389
candlestick would be bisexual

>>90732788
bi dude here we literally don't exist according to hollywood

>>90732683
LeFou always seemed gay to me but it's not worth an announcement or brownie points or anything. I remember when Paranorman just offhandedly mentioned a character was gay. They probably should have done this the same way with zero fanfare and no mentioning it beforehand to the media or anyone else. Ironically that would have pissed off some religious social conservatives but they're idiots anyway. Just mention it in a laid back way at the end, over.

>>90732753
>>90732577
Most of us seem to be mad at the stupidity of doing it at all rather than bitching they "ruined" BnB. I sure as shit wasn't going to see it but it just smacks of lazy pandering.

Like Han Solo's black wife in his solo (HAH) prequel movie coming out this year

>>90732774
Nah a great deal of what I fap to is naked photoshoots and masturbating women.

>>90732577
This. The movie is already going to be a turd, no sense getting worked up over someone spitting on a turd.

>>90732111
No, only Lefou.
>>90732486
>Don't girl hyena's have cocks that they use to rape the males
They do not,

>>90732615
I'd have watched MASH a lot more if it had been on Nick At Night in the 90s. I loved me some Taxi and Get Smart and Welcome Back Kotter.

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>>90732749
the 'best' thing is that they actually brought it up to Takei and he asked them not to do it, and then they did it anyways. So yeah, clearly they are really respecting the man's legacy.

It doesn't even matter anyways, the scene is dialogueless and without following the meta-horseshit beforehand it would have been easy enough to think he was greeting a brother or something. So the whole thing ended up being a pile of nothing anyways and literally was just Paramount trying to build soulless hype, which is honestly the most offensive thing about the whole thing even if you're a grand wizard of the KKK.

>>90732800
bi dude too

trust me, I know

>>90732683
>Kinda like with Mr. Sulu in the recent Star Trek movie: no reason for him to be gay now.

Sulu is an entirely different level of stupid because they made Uhura Spock's girlfriend to no homo his relationship with Kirk.

>>90732589
>hit on
Anon he was groping up that duster behind the curtain and the moment they turned human he immediately tried to plow her ass. When cogsworth got in the way and cockblocked him he had the purest look of despair on his face as he tried to peer over the fat fuck toward the swaying hips walking swiftly away from him. These are not the actions of a gay man.

>>90732683
>Why can't creators take a risk and make a well-developed new character where a part of what defines him is that he's gay?

Because that is hard work, and also because defining a character by nothing but their sexuality leads to shitty characters. Want to make a good gay character? Don't mention they're gay. Don't play it up, don't emphasize it, don't draw attention to it. Don't make them a walking stereotype. Just make them a character, and maybe, possibly, if at some point it is sensible to the story to show their whatever-the-fuck-you-want-to-call-their-lover, you do so. And leave it at that.

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>>90733055
yknow

I know what you're trying to say

but that's not how they write straight characters.

>>90732649
Everyone is at least gay enough to touch their own dick and find themselves attractive.

It's probably just a consequence of biological reproduction being enjoyable to us.

Because gay villains are objectively better, and I can't wait for the day everyone stops bitching and we go back to the days when they were the equivalent of straight villains manhandling heroines.

>>90733095

It's entirely possible to write a character without specifically calling attention to what they're trying to hump.

James Bond is not that character though, because he's a well established playboy.

>>90733095
I actually really liked the bi reveal in Bond - if it bothers someone THAT much, they can just pretend he was messing with Silva.

And Silva was great, too.

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>>90733105
>Everyone is at least gay enough to touch their own dick

>>90733055
The thing is, people will get pissy no matter how them being gay is brought up.

and the fact is that, in a setting where the gay character is talking to a close friend, they will probably mention their bf/gf, whats going on with them, how life is going with them, and people will think that is shoving the gay in their face, even though it's pretty normal conversation for anyone who has a friend who is in a relationship.

This situation with Beauty and the Beast is total shit dont get me wrong, they made a bad choice, but people will complain about gay characters being gay, no matter how little they mention being gay.

They definitely shouldnt write around making them a walking stereotype, they should focus on who the character is and make them human, but they also shouldnt be forced to just never mention the fact they are gay, because that can and does come up in different ways.

>>90733126
>It's entirely possible to write a character without specifically calling attention to what they're trying to hump.
but see, you're not describing a STRAIGHT character, you're describing a character where their sexuality is entirely unimportant. There's tons of characters who are defined by hyper-hetero masculinity. Just go watch an 80s movie.

>>90732958
I'm a gay man.

I just wish the media and other people didn't make such a big deal of it. Not wanting to stone us to death or make us burn in hell isn't something to pat your backs over and applaud yourselves over. It's just basic human decency. I hate that I feel like people see me as super special and hype up gay couples in movies.

If they just had that scene there with no hubbub about it nobody would give a shit. Well maybe because it was a reboot of a preexisting property but still it wouldn't be near as bad.

>>90733055
Fucking this.

The worst part is that tons of sensible rational people who wouldn't normally have a problem with gay people end up reacting to the SJW virtue signaling bullshit so hard that they assume every gay perosn on TV are automatically bad and part of the big bad SJW boogeyman.

Imagine if everytime you thought about pussy a room full of people started clapping and calling you brave. It'd be fucked up wouldn't it? That's what it's like.

>>90733055

See, that's the irony of the situation.

No, they should make a new character because you can SLIP in the fact that he's gay if you write him correctly and prevent him from being just focused on as the token gay character. If you create a completely well-defined new character, you can casually slip (maybe just hint) at him being gay while still showing off other characteristics about him (honorable, cowardly, OCD, laidback, hatred of certain food, unfathomable love for certain food, etc.). You can justify him being gay by subtle hints leading up to the nonchalent reveal or biggest evidence confirming he's gay. Of course it's going to be hard, but anything done right will be.

Correct me if I'm wrong, been a while since I saw the movie and it was not that memorable for me, but this goes back to my Sulu example. When they shoehorned him being gay into the movie for literally no reason, they turned him into nothing but the gay token character. I don't remember anything else about him in that movie except the two scenes that focuses on him being gay: walking away with his daughter and husband in the beginning of the film; and him hugging his husband and daughter in fear near the end of the film. Them shoehorning his new sexuality in, in their lazy eyes, justified ignoring the rest of his character's background to just focus on his gayness (in essence making him just the token gay guy within the context of the film).


Again, (because we live in an easily-outraged culture now) I'm not offended that they turned into a established character gay. I'm offended that they cheaply retconned a character to pander to the current political-social climate to get brownie points and are basically using a community to cheaply profit from.

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>>90733236
>Imagine if everytime you thought about pussy a room full of people started clapping and calling you brave. It'd be fucked up wouldn't it?
immediate image that popped to mind

bi dude again. I never bring it up and only a handful of friends know. I'm very private about it. That's still not how you write a character... look. Just go find a protagonist in any average movie where they are established to be straight and just mentally replace all their hetero interactions with the homo equivalent.

It'll be extra funny if you go with an action movie but even assuming you don't go with something that so blatantly panders to the hetero majority you'll notice that if the relationship is important in any way shape or form to the story (not even the plot, just the story) that cinematic storytelling is NOT shy about depicting heterosexual romance. Claiming that the only 'good' gay characters are ones where the gayness is hidden from the audience except for the barest fucking mention if it is just ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY TO THE PLOT is the shittiest of double standards and will get nobody anywhere.

Fun fact we still live in a world where a focus on a gay romantic relationship that would garner a PG-13 if it was straight will land a movie with an R if it's not.

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>>90732111
WOAH what a radical yet progressive new idea

>>90733422
>I don't remember anything else about him in that movie

Please describe his personality in the other movies, because the problem with AOS is that the characters are one note at best and completely bland the rest of the time.

The ones that get away with some sort of resemblance of characterization either have the most screen time (Kirk, Spock) or have actors that are just that good (McCoy).

>>90733422
>Again, (because we live in an easily-outraged culture now) I'm not offended that they turned into a established character gay. I'm offended that they cheaply retconned a character to pander to the current political-social climate to get brownie points and are basically using a community to cheaply profit from.
This

I'm not even the homogay either so I can't imagine how it feels to have a part of your identity used for cheap marketing

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>>90733599
sure you can

you might need a cardboard box, though

>HAN SOLO AND LEIA ORGANA CONFIRMED TO BE STRAIGHT IN 'EMPIRE STRIKES BACK'
>Hollywood Reporter confirms the characters share an on-screen kiss in the Star Wars sequel
>militant asexuals threaten boycott

>>90733579

>Please describe his personality in the other movies

Simple, enough personality to know his name is Mr.Sulu and his role in the crew.

Within the context of the last movie, they diminished him down to "Oh, it's that gay guy (b/c Takei is gay)."

>>90733776
He also had a space samurai sword in the first movie because he's a jap

>>90732384
>lazy virtue signaling
Okay,, this is BS, Complaining that people ae doing good thins becuase they want to look good is fucking pointless.

The only thing that matter is, do they do a good job a it? Does it result in a good story? All else doesn't matter.

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>>90733795
um. Fencing has always been part of Sulu's character

>>90732386
>. And now we're making a big to-do about it just to seek easy accolades without really adding anything to the story.
You have seen the movie? Fuck. An henchwomen being all over her boss is not unforeseen. Or an hencman being all over the villaines is actually quite common and spelled out.

it's part of the comedic interaction between henches and their master, nothing different there.

> And now we're making a big to-do about it just to seek easy accolades
I it is well done, it doesn't matter.

>>90733818
Fencing isn't kendo isn't a combat discipline that uses a single bladed weapon

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Abandon ship, Tumblr showed up

It was nice while it lasted

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>>90732800
Straight guy here but
>man is abut to get involved with a female character
>it's learned he had one realtionship with a man
>OH NO, HE IS ACTUALLY GAY AND IS LIVING A LIE, PUT OFF THE WEDDING!

I mean, is it ever so hard to consider he might be bi? Or at least have one of the character at least suggest it.

That trope is really starting to grat me.

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>>90732111

I see no problem with this.
>unzips pants

>>90733483
>shinji thinking about pussy

hahaha let me laugh at you.

I wasn't saying it had to be hidden I just don't want people to make a big deal about it.

Heterosexual sex is everywhere but nobody makes a big deal about it.

For example, here's Gene Roddenberry's first attempt at getting gay people in Star Trek: A planet of gangbangers. Lesbians and fags were just fucking like a roman orgy in the background while Picard was a the pleasure planet. Aint nothing wrong with any of that.

But everyone praising Simon Pegg for turning Sulu gay because ITS SO BRAVE. SO BRAVE A GAY CHARACTER EXISTED FOR 5 SECONDS.

And the gay dude I mentioned in battlestar galactica was fucking dudes and shit too and so was the lesbians.

>>90733800
They didn't. I saw the movie and the whole LeFou thing adds nothing. It's basically: "Hey look everyone, we took this minor character and made him gay, and tacked on some pointless background subplot that adds nothing to the message or narrative, just to show how gay he is. Because being gay is OK! This is our seal of approval, LGBT community! Doesn't that feel nice?"

That's why it's LAZY. Do not defend shit like this. This is not a 'win' for gay. It doesn't help you or anybody.

>>90733858
kinda don't want to give it up there was some nice actual discussion going on here

but then again I need to go to bed so this thread can burn while I sleep and idgaf

>>90733880
The closest we get is Deadpool cracking jokes about dudes having nice asses.

And being uncomfortable while being pegged even though like... what, he's always going to be the top with dudes, even though he's not with ladies?

eh.

>>90732683
>Anyone else mad not that he's gay now, but that they're clearly shoehorning it in for brownie points?
No, that's the stupidest reason to complain. Either it work well in the story or it doesn't. that's the only gauge by which to judge that kind of things.

>>90733833
Look, if you want to bend your brain into a pretzel to try and rationalize this as your own personal "Guess Who's Coming to Dinner" I can't stop you. But boy are you ever selling yourself short.

>>90733422
No, people would complain that it' shoehorning a new gay character that didn't exist in the original story.

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>>90732486
Girls with cocks aren't gay, faggot, they're girls.

>>90733776

Sulu the officer is not a personality.

>>90733887
> we want gay people but only if it's not a big deal

>>90733898
> we want gay people but only if the gayness is relevant

that's the problem, you can't please everyone.

>>90733887
>shinji thinking about pussy
>hahaha let me laugh at you.
well he is fucked up

>>90733972
>you can't please everyone

garden-party.mp3

>>90733236
>Imagine if everytime you thought about pussy a room full of people started clapping and calling you brave. It'd be fucked up wouldn't it? That's what it's like.
There are still people who remember when the main trend was to shame gay people.

Straights haven't got a long history of being booed for dating people of the opposite gender. Even today, SJWs who try to ashame white cis straight males are more ridiculed than anything.

It has to be seen in a bigger scope of several decade as to why there is still support for people coming out. It's not so long ago it was still a social stigma and burning many bridges to do so. It was not a light thing to do and require effectively courage as you were effectively going to lose many thing.

I am speaking in past tense, but it is still sporadically true nowadays.

It's not because Social norms are now mostly changed that they are completely changed either nor should we say to the few that still face adverity for it that they don't need support anymore.

>>90734053
>sporadically
city boy detected

try coming out in the bible belt

>>90733898
>I saw the movie and the whole LeFou thing adds nothing.
>and tacked on some pointless background subplot
Giving more background to a character is never nothing.
Like pointed out >>90733833
henches beign in love with their bosses is not uncommon.

If this add really nothing, it doesn't remove either and thius there is nothing to complain about.

>>90733599
even if you are a straight white male you absolutely know how it feels to have your identity used for cheap marketing its just such a norm that you don't even think about it (this is literally what white privilege and the patriarchy is built upon) but don't mind me I'm just a libtard cuck or whatever the fuck person it is that "they" are getting triggered by nowadays

>>90734090
whaaaaat, you mean being openly gay in buttfuck Mississippi isn't living the homosexual dream?

>>90733928
I didn't bent anything I said things straight as they are.

I mean, face it, if it was a straight relationship, no one would complain about it.

People are complaining that the writer do tat to earn "feel good point", but you seem to miss that it will stop being a thing the day people reaction to this will just resume to "eh".

I mean, it's literally like someone complaining that some dude is doing stuff just to get noticed. If this is the main issue, then the best course of action is to ignore it.

>>90734119
>even if you are a straight white male you absolutely know how it feels to have your identity used for cheap marketing

yeah, remember those awful Xbox ads that tried to sell it as the ultimate bro console?

>>90733858
Now be honest, it was shit from the start and that thread was primarily started as bitching and complaining.

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>>90734125
I mean it's called BUTTFUCK Mississippi.

But hey even places where it's not that extreme it's not exactly sunshine ice cream and rainbows


I mean there's probably rainbows somewhere, but you know what I mean

I'm going to bed like I said I was 30 minutes ago.

>>90734090
Hey, say that to >>90733236
At least I know it's still not accepted everywhere. Though I never looked at the stats to know the exact magnitude of it.

>>90732384
>a movie no one cares about
It may look like garbage but the only reason they'd take the financial hit of alienating the swathes of paying homophobes is because it's already a guaranteed success.

>>90734151
I still have nightmares.

>>90732384
>a movie nobody cares about

There's an entire generation of people who saw the original animated movie and want to see this just because it's a B&B remake.

>>90732620
>Implying its ever dickgirl on woman
Its always just a "girl" with a ten foot dick that blasts through the fucking clouds like its trying to fuck god in the ass.

But theres 2 pixels worth of what might be considered breasts, (which guys don't have) so its not gay.

>>90732958
Making Sulu in the Kelvin timeline gya just raises more questions.

Was Sulu also gay in the prime universe? It's possible that in the future nobody cares so it doesn't come up. We don't get to know any bridge officers besides Kirk and Spock very well.

The other option is that Sulu is only gay in the Kelvin timeline which would suggest the homosexuality is a matter of external factors and experiences over genetics.

>>90734420
you haven't watched enough porn.

>>90734435
>We don't get to know any bridge officers besides Kirk and Spock very well.
Well exactly. Meaning there are many thing that can be created on them.

It's basically saying Original Sulu was gay all along. Not that it really matters.

>>90733422
I think the non chalant reveal works in Star Trek because in their fictionalized 23rd century makind has overcome all prejudice against itself and bigotry is a thing of the past, so this would be the ideal way to write a gya character in the Trek universe. Make it incidental to their character. Their relationship should be treated the same as any other.

But I think writing a gay character in a contemporary setting you almost have to have it be a big surprise reveal and deal with peoples reactions to the news because in this day and age there is still a certain amount of taboo and even intolerance around gay people.

Though I'd be lying if I said I wasn't tired of movies about gay people ALWAYS being about drama and discrimination.

>>90734435
Sulu is bi, and in the original timeline he oriented towards women more often, and vice versa in the reboot

>>90734519
>Though I'd be lying if I said I wasn't tired of movies about gay people ALWAYS being about drama and discrimination.
Well, you'd be lying about it always being about that.

A good deal of Gay stuff in movies is played in comedy. Fuck, I'd say comedy Gay stuffs is way bigger than Drama gay stuffs.

>>90733776
Let's be honest, none of the bridge officers beside Kirk or Spock had much development.
>Uhura, speaks swahili
>Scotty, likes to drink
>Chekov, is Russian
>Sulu, likes fencing

We really know very little about them. Any personality they had came from the actors who played them.

>>90732111
THE ONLY POINT IN MAKING IT NEWSWORTHY IS TO GET PEOPLE TO WATCH A MOVIE THAT HAS BEEN MADE BEORE MORE TIMES THAN NESCESSARY

>>90734529
>and in the original timeline he oriented towards women more often
Does he dat any women in the original run, or show interest to them?
(Sorry, I am more of a Next Gen fan)

French people are gay anyway. I mean, these guys eat french fries with mayo.
Source: French people

>>90732303
I always thought he was mentally slow/challenged.

When will Disney stop pandering to minorities? Big Hero 6,Zootopia, Moana, Jungle Book , BatB, Coco.
It's getting tedious, what next, Muslim princess?

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>>90734672
> what next, Muslim princess?
That was done in the 90's already. And it was awesome.

>>90734672
You are just as stupid as SJW complaining about patriarchy everywhere.

>>90733236
I think this would be a lot better if they hadn't discussed it with the media pre-release at all. It was the director who first mentioned it right? Given the benefit of the doubt, he probably just wanted to highlight some of the ways his version varies from the animated, but there's still a part of me that feels like this is more calculated controversy to put butts in seats.

Haven't seen the movie but I bet it's so small and subtle that it would've been approved for general audiences under the Hays code. No more obscene than Peter Lorre in the Maltese Falcon.

Would've been a lot better if they hadn't mentioned it and just let the audiences react to it how they will. Some people won't like it but that's up to them. Some will think this another glass ceiling chattered and others I think won't even notice.

>>90734750
>Would've been a lot better if they hadn't mentioned it
I don't really think so, It's as worth mentioning as any titbit of the movies, something that is commonly done when doing promotions.

Why should it be silenced, then?

And people here say it should not be treated as a big thing, but the reaction in this thread clearly show that it kinda still is.

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>>90734583
That's not fair- it also helps to deflect criticism.

>>90732486
No. They engage in docking with males. That's also not all Hyenas iirc, only certain ones.

>>90733972
Let's just nuke hollywood. It's full of pedophiles anyways.

Everytime you see a gay character being hyped by Hollywood for being progressive,weather you consider that a good or bad thing, just remember that little kids are being diddled so they can get roles in movies and then realize how unfair the world is.

http://www.businessinsider.com/elijah-wood-hollywood-pedophile-ring-2016-5

>>90735066
> casting couch has been known since forever
> people surprised this also applies to kids

???

>>90734750
That's what I'm trying to say but I'm too goddamn tired for 4chan

>>90735134
see>>90734812

>>90734812
Why not let the movie speak for itself instead of manufacturing controversy?

Then again, maybe I should be blaming the people who are chimping out over the mere mention of a gay character.

>>90732978
God, Spocka and Uhura were forced in those movies, but as much as I like Spock/Kirk on a hypothetical level it's not something I'd like to see in a movie. They have a great friendship dynamic and chances are it'd just be wrecked anyways, but yeah, to some extent it makes more sense than making Sulu gay. You just KNOW they were shoehorning in diversity.

>>90732958
>Takei actually doing something admirable

Well shit. I may actually have regained some respect from him after all his years of online retardation.

>>90733055
>Don't mention they're gay
Ehhh, I don't know if I agree with that, like look at Midnighter for example, shying away from making his sexuality known just makes it look like internalised homophobia or whatever you call it. Like if I were a kid when I was struggling with coming to terms with being bi and I knew about Midnighter back then I probably would've had a lot easier time dealing with it and wouldn't be thinking that I'm cursed to be attached to a community full of solely (emphasis on the solely) flamboyant effeminate retards and drag queens. Well, whatever. These are just sensitive times and you're pretty fucked whatever you do as >>90733422 brought up.

Nonetheless, shoehorning is shit. I wish they'd actually make characters come out who actually seem gay and don't have a history of not being gay. Like remember how people started questioning if Daryl Dixon from TWD was gay? That shit would've actually made sense as he shows literally no interest in women and seems like a classic closet case due to his abusive redneck upbringing, plus people actually like the character, shit would've been somewhat interesting to see but no, they had to fucking shoehorn Aaron and his ugly ass buttbuddy Erin or whatever the fuck his name is and have that dumb gay kiss scene and the producer or Kirkman or whoever had to go and say he's 'straight asexual', whatever the fuck that means. I don't get it, all these fucking people act like they want to break down walls but whenever push comes to shove they'll always pick the easy route of making some new character that no one feels any attachment to instead of an already present character or fan favourite that has shown signs of being gay that would actually make people think "wow... I love that character and he's really cool and he's... gay? Huh, I guess gay people can be cool.". That shit is what combats homophobia (not that it's really a problem anymore, but you know what I mean). Not shoehorning.

>>90735371
>straight asexual
just means he likes girls but has no interest in sex

>>90735337
>Why not let the movie speak for itself instead of manufacturing controversy?
It's only a controversy because you make it ones.

The writers mentioned it as one of the thing his movie has, but you and other complainers are the one who make it grow out of proportions.

I mean, imagine some action movie where a realisator say how he is using Practical effect instead of CGI and how nice that is and all the fans of practical effects are realying the info of how great it is that movie is going to make practical effects.

then some people who don't give a fuck about start complaining that the realisator is showcasing he is using practical effect and it's pointless because in the end CGI are advanced enough it look the same anyway.

It's how you sound a bit.

On the bottom line, if a movie has stuff, then the promotion will talk about the stuff it has.

>>90735354

I didn't mean it in a "make Spock and Kirk canon" but by making Uhura and Spock have an emotional connection as strong as love, they diminished the impact of Spock befriending Kirk. The movie TELLS us that Spock and Kirk are basically meant to be bffs forever and that they bring the best in each other blah blah blah, but it also SHOWS us that Spock has sucessfully engaged in a relationship similar to his parents' (who we're told are happy and functional) so Spock and Kirk just become clichéd "rivals to friends".

Maybe saying that it was to discourage the gay interpretation would be too much, but to me it just seems like at best they didn't know how to portray their friendship so they just rolled with whatever, and at worst they actively tried to water it down.

They could have easily had bi Kirk as a throwaway comment/scene with someone else, too, if they had felt like it. A lot of people remember the "I find my best pleasure in women" line from the books.

>>90735371
>"wow... I love that character and he's really cool and he's... gay? Huh, I guess gay people can be cool.".

> implying it wouldn't be
> "Ugh, so he's gay. That sucks!"

>>90735463
>they diminished the impact of Spock befriending Kirk.
I honestly think it didn't.

Th mvoe show their friendship as well as his engagement with Uhura

>>90735481

> their friendship
> they hate each other for 3/4 of the movie to the point of almost killing each other and have to be actively pushed together by old Spock

>>90735530
The move literally focus on how they come from antagonising each other to actually respect each other, It literally tell us how they became friend.

It's almost the main focus of the movie.

In comparison to that, Spock and Uhra's relationship is just a background event.

>>90735565

And I'm saying that's horribly clichéd and shallow in comparison to their TOS portrayals.

>>90735481
>>90735565

I'm another anon, but I gotta agree, the movies, in my opinion at least, seemed to make his relationship with Uhura as important if not somewhat more important than his friendship with Kirk. Which it wasn't in TOS. Their friendship however was an important part of Into Darkness but the other movies? Not so much.

But hey, I don't really like Spock in the movies anyways, fuck, he spent the whole of Beyond crying, that was just fucking retarded. We get it, you've made it very clear after 3 fucking movies that despite not being a character that's not supposed to show emotion, that he is a very emotional character. We fucking get it, christ.

>>90735572
>And I'm saying that's horribly clichéd and shallow in comparison to their TOS portrayals.
One of key of the chemestry between Spock and Kirk is their contrasting personality. It would have made little sense if they went along immediately. Of course they were going to e confrontational at first.
>>90735585
There is objectively much more focu on Kirk and Spock dynamic than on Uhura.

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>>90735371
>TWD has a glaring opportunity to make a good character gay
>they just add that fucking meme spouting lesbian Tara instead

>Supernatural has a glaring opportunity to make qt Dean Winchester bi like their entire Tumblr fujoshit fanbase wants
>another fucking irritating meme spouting lesbian

Every time.

i hate gay people so much

>>90735680
Well,
THEY MADE LEFOU GAY JUST TO SHOW YOU

That'll teach you well...

>>90735680
Hey man, straight people did this because of their white/hetero/cis guilt and poor writing skills, we didn't do shit.

>>90735680
You're not that great either

futa is pretty gay tbqh
like 20% gay

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>>90732486
Yes. Yes, they do.

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>>90732111
Oh, who the fuck cares. Did it have an impact on the story? Did it make fun of the french? I mean, really.

>>90732389
Because Lumiere was straight up a pussy hound, and Cogsworth was too uptight. Seriously, Lumiere was the stereotype of french men being super aggressive, ala pepe lepew.

>>90735585
>>90735463
Structurally it didn't make sense for Spock to be in a relationship with Uhura in the first movie. His arc should've been learning to have a human relationship with someone, embracing his human side, in this case by developing a friendship.

They could have revealed Spock and Uhura dating in the next movie as a fun reveal, even though it didn't go anywhere

>I'm breaking up with you because you're emotionally detached
>BITCH, I'M A FUCKING VULCAN

>>90732535
I WENT TO COLLEGE

>>90732486
No. Listening to /co/ for nature "facts" is like going to /tg/ for dating advice.

>>90735746
I wouldn't call it gay, but definitely homosexual in the more general sense (i.e. attracted to sexual aspects which are similar to you). Why? Because you're drawing abnormal focus to the penis.

It's like. If you drew a man with a penis, then it's just an anatomically correct man. But if you draw a circle with a penis in the middle, sure it's technically less man, but you're intentionally drawing focus to the penis. That's what you want to be looking at. You know? You want to be thinking about another person having the sensations of a penis. I mean, it's just a fetish, it's not like it's an orientation or anything, but don't try and tell me that you're into zoophilia, but it has nothing to do with a more feral, less refined state of mind. You didn't grow up in a vat and you weren't conditioned with a random number generator.

>>90735585
Yeah, I felt like they played the Spock reaches his breaking point and gets emotional way too much.

Yes, the character of Spock is his conflict between his Vulcan side trying to suppress his human emotions but it the few times his emotions boil to the surface become less significant if you do it every movie.

I couldn't believe that the climax of Into Darkness was the Enterprise crashing into a city (another trope they're doing too early) giving us your standard turn-your-brain-off city destruction scene and Spock getting so angry he chases down Khan and starts punching him in the face.

It was the least Star Trek climax ending to a Star Trek movie I could conceive of.

>>90735881
That one's actually true, though.

http://www.livescience.com/699-painful-realities-hyena-sex.html

>>90735463
Another sad repercussion of homophobia; you can't have intimate onscreen male friendships without people assuming they're gay.

Heteros can't allow themselves to be too friendly unless someone thinks they're gay, god forbid, and and meanwhile the gays, desperate for representation, start insisting canonically straight but close characters are gay.

>>90735813
Film set in France and yet again nobody sounds French. This time, not even the candlestick. Ewan butchered the accent. Why the fuck did Disney hire a Scot to play the one character with a pronounced French accent?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qQ__xrUF3Y

>>90735926
I agree but if you're trying to make a point out of this from people's interpretations of Kirk and Spock's relationship, well... Roddenberry literally said they were somewhat based off of Alexander and Hephaestion. They're supposed to be sort of edging into homo territory.

>>90735881
But how do the frogs who cum on unsuspecting females who have their eggs on their backs and who then give birth through their skin fit into all this?

>>90735703
>because of their white/hetero/cis guilt
This kind of guilt mostly exist among conservative and they project it on liberals.

>>90735960
They certainly push the boundaries. The term slash literally comes from pairing Kirk/Spock in fan fiction
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRmZ95-rh0E

I like to think that Kirk, like most people in the 23rd century, is just very comfortable in his sexuality and masculinity and unafraid to show affection for his male comrades.

>>90735960

They're also the grandfathers of slash, so hell will freeze the day people stop shipping them.

>>90735905
You know, except the RAPES MALES part.

>>90733236
>I hate that I feel like people see me as super special
>Is an attention whoring double line jumping shitposter
Literally only when it's convenient it seems

>>90736084
Not him, but that was not attention whoring, dude, wtf.

nor even shitpost.

>>90735680
Well then I'm going to fuck your ass until you love me.

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>>90732389
Considering Sir Ian McKellan is gay in real life, yes, I agree. The Candle and Clock should have been the gay couple. Fucking Disney can't get their slash fic right.

>>90736161
You know gay actors can play straight people, right?

>>90736169
Yes, anon. Thanks for ruining the fucking joke, you contrarian piece of shit.

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>>90736084
I'm not that anon either but...

Holy shit. What the actual fuck are you even talking about?

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>>90732111
So snakes have two penises. So... Did the Snek raped the plant?

>bad guy is gay
Is Disney trying to tell me something

NO ONE'S DICK IS AS THICC AS GASTON'S

>>90735926
>Heteros can't allow themselves to be too friendly unless some fag hag gets all up in their business and gossips about it
fixed
9 times out of 10 dudes kill open affection because of direct intrusion, not just observer effects
shipping people IRL is cancerous