Is mindrape really so terrible when it can be used to turn mass

>>90643314
No.

I mean let's be real here if some dude had the ability to summon sharknado's and he used them to terrorize cities, I'm not sure too many people would mind if he got mindraped into instead summoning the sharks for infinite soup.

>how do we convey a psychic attack?
>MY MIND...!

>>90643314
if you alter someone's mind, fuck with their memories and change their whole personality you've effectively killed that person

What's weird is that they didn't even do that, they mindraped him but just just kept him as a incompetent supervillain.

Just as morally terrible as physical full on penetration rape.

>>90644834
Is it tho? We're influenced by foreign ideas everday anon.

>>90643314
>don't mindrape people so they lose their appetite for rape and murder.
>instead just beat them up and leave them for a corrupt system to take care of.

>>90643314

Asking Batman about "friends"

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>>90644834
But is it rape if I mind rape them to like it?

>>90643314
It's pretty bad.
But still justifiable.

>>90645128
The facilities are there for those criminals to try and reform, it's up to them whether they do or not. That's the point of free will. Mindrape takes away the person's free will.

If the criminal doesn't want to change, that's their fault, they're just going to have to be in prison forever and get buttfucked by Hawkman when they try and get out.

>>90644720
Yes, the ones Zatanna was doing was just making them retarded. However they did an experiment by trying to totally reform the Top by removing his mental illness and urge to do bad and he became a hero for a short time, but he eventually went bananas trying to reconcile his new, good personality with his old murderous one.

So later on Wally and Zatanna undo the mindrape of the Top and while he's no longer a complete lunatic he's returned to being a murdering asshole.

>>90643314

Batman was 100% right.

>>90645549
>I mindrape them to give their consent.
Now what?

>>90645769
You know, mind breaking them into liking it.

>>90643314
No it's not. Batman's a full on retard

>refuse to kill villains even if they're mass murdering psychopaths
>"we found a way to stop villains without killing them"
>reject it because 'muh morals' even though he breaks the law every night and by refusing to kill his villains is probably responsible for a ton of preventable deaths

>>90645970

Superman held the same stance as Batman.

>Surprised Zatanna does immoral acts.
Sorcery is the devil's work.
>that story where Zatanna goes up against witch-hunters is just fucking awesome and that's the Christian truth.

>>90645970
>'muh morals'


He is a better person than you.
And that makes you mad

>>90645549
Yes. Read "Squadron Supreme"

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>>90645995
Then Superman is also a full on retard

>>90643314
>Is mindrape really so terrible

Yes.


Slavery is and always be better than mindrape and killing

>>90646063
Batman isn't a real person and also dresses up as a bat every night to punch people illegally

>>90646301
Sure, and flash does the same dressed as a red condom.

But you don't care about that right? You just have real hate for a fictional character

>>90645970

Killing is immoral, any which way you put it. It's like you don't understand superheroes at all, which is quite astonishing considering they're hardly a complex idea. Don't tell me you're one of those people who thinks Superman should just kill everyone in the world who's ever murdered or threatened to murder?

>>90646489

Batman should kill the joker is the same as saying th JL should go full authority and take over the world. But they don't mind, it's just about hating one character they don't like. It's hard forth the, to understand that some guys IRL are against murder

>>90646489
You say that but the death penalty still exists, if superheroes take the law into their own hands every night, killing a mass murdering psychopath (e.g Joker) who would probably be put to death if he could be caught wouldn't be immoral in the eyes of the law

>>90646472
Where is all this coming from anon?

>>90646710

Superheroes exist to protect people, inspire them, and aid in the apprehension of criminals, not act as judge, jury and executioner.

>>90646710
>killing a mass murdering psychopath (e.g Joker) who would probably be put to death if he could be caught wouldn't be immoral in the eyes of the law

immoral and illigal are not the same.

Also the authority is more of your liking.

Superman should sink Israel

Because there is no free will in the outcome.

Bitch, have you never read A Clockwork Orange?

>all the retards in this thread that think that mindrape is somehow less effective than dressing up in a bat costume and breaking the jaws of random murderers/slogging the shit out of them

what the fuck?

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>>90643314
Hawkmamn, you could just throw him in the phantom zone.

>>90643314
>commit a heinous crime
>"Well, now you've gone and done it. We have no choice but to rewire your brain so that you'll be nice and have no accountability for your previous actions!"

Do you see why this doesn't work?

Even beyond that, if you thought killing was bad for PR, imagine what happens when the public finds out you've been mindraping.

At least anyone, in theory, can kill you. Only certain Heroes have the power to mind fuck and what's stopping them from going power mad like Marvel's mutant psychic faggots?

>>90646915
calm down pedro. it's just a comic book.

>>90646915
Still only thinking in batman how sweet i bet you love the joker

>>90646710
The death penalty is still controversial for a reason.

Superheroes help stop crime, not punish criminals. They don't make sentences or personally throw them in jail. All they're there for is to stop them from robbing banks or killing people.

What is done with them after that is up to the people. If a jury finds the Joker guilty of murder and a judge sentences him to death, that's fine. If he gets off on insanity or a life sentence or whatever the fuck, that's not the superheroes' job to say that's not OK, it's the peoples'.

In the real world people would have lobbied for judicial reform to overturn the insanity plea (which it already works nothing like it does in comics) and to have stricter, quicker death penalties. But also in the real world villains wouldn't be escaping every other Tuesday.


Also, remember that the death penalty isn't you getting put on death row and then immediately executed, it takes years, sometimes even decades after a conviction to fully go through with it. Even public attorneys can waste years trying for appeals and things like that. The Joker could be getting a death sentence every time he's brought in for all we know but his escapes and further crimes would only delay his execution even longer.

>>90643314
If you already going to completely deprive a person of their free will and wipe away all that defines them as people, why not just kill them?, is easier and with less chances of horribly backfiring.

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>>90646970
>what's stopping them from going power mad like Marvel's mutant psychic faggots?
They call him the Martian Manhunter.

>>90643495
If I could summon sharknadoes I would be the happiest person alive.

>>90644972
Influenced, not outright stripped of the notion that we make those choices of our own volition. That's the key difference there, one gives the sense of free will and individuality in that we come to those conclusions on our own, the other takes away our capacity to arrive to those conclusions.

>>90643495
Shark soup is awful tho.

ii

>>90643314
>mindrape really so terrible
You have to understand that Amerifats have a culture that stresses being an individual snowflake as the highest ideal; thus you can lock the Joker up (over and over and over) but never make any serious attempt at fixing whats wrong with him. This is why they overwhelmingly support the Death Penalty and For-Profit Prisons but underfund things like Mental Heath Services.

>>90643314
Yes, and Batman was in right because he doesn't like someone to mess with his mind and it will make him such a big hypocrite if he was ok with messing with others minds.

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Zatanna, to erase his mind. Instead of, you know, taking him to prison or something.So do the other heroes realize the error of their ways and relegate Doctor Light to the due process that makes American democracy great? Nah, they just decide to mind-wipe Batman as well, thus tying up the whole story into a neat little rape-apologist package.

Batman was in right Because rapists Belong to the prison .

>>90649258
What they did to Dr. Light and The Top was no help them to overcome their issues, and was closer to a lobotomy than to any kind of mental health service.

>>90649604
this.
I'm not going to post Dr Light coming back from the dead as a zombie in Blackest Light (where he eats the saltified body of Firestorm's girlfriend or something) and threatens to rape Kimiyo's children.

Notably, Catwoman may or may not have been turned from villain to hero, or at least anti-hero. Zatanna 'pushed' her magically in that direction, but whether or not the impetus for good was always in Selina Kyle can never be a certainty now.

>>90649820
Well it can be certain literally right now since Identity Crisis isn't canon anymore even with Rebirth.

>>90643314
>>90646288
>>90646970
>So that you'll be nice and have no accountability for your actions

Oh dear God THIS.

People think the only objection to mindrape is "muh free will" but don't take into account the clusterfuck that's going to happen when you turn guilty humans into perfect little angels.

"The guy who raped and murdered your daughter? He's fine now and there's no need for a trial. He's a completely new person."

There are soooo many ways to abuse this idea. You essentially incentivized crime. Commit a crime, get a free brain upgrade and go right back home the next day.

There's no punitive branch to law now. You killed that. And you didn't even know you did it.

>>90649837
>>90649820
>>90649747
>>90649688
>>90649604
>>90649291

Identity Crisis era DC was the era were DC heroes went full Marvel. I think they wanted to "make up" for Batman being a cunt during Tower of Babel by giving the League skeletons in their closets.

The era was retarded and should be left to rot forever.

>>90643634

This holy shit it's an actual nightmare of mine.

>>90643634
No because your personality that exist when you was a child doesnt exist and yet you are still here.

>>90643314
Isn't that the principal behind the indigo tribe's recruitment method?

>>90648181
Yh no the media is designed to make you believe you have any free will to their brainwashing from childhood, just look at how many fags on /co/ throw a fit if someone acts racist. All those years of the TV calling racist evil making them eventually think it by second nature. Dont get started on the mindless hatred of national socialist.

>>90650357
>the racist nazi sympathizer gets upset at being oppressed by the big mean normal people

>>90650459
See what I mean and they act like they have any free will when their very behavior was molded by the TV.

Yes, they should just kill them instead.

>>90646489
>muh moral absolutism
There is, in fact, a point where killing becomes a justifiable response to dealing with a criminal, which is why we have a whole special process for it in our legal system. I'm not saying Batman should KILL the Joker, just that he should maybe not be such a little bitch when Punisher tries to do it.

>>90648053
Noice. Did they beat Aquaman to a pulp after?

>>90647065
This guy gets it

>>90647065
How stupid just take the criminal into a wasteland and slice his head of.

>>90646489
Killing a criminal stops them from commiting crime again so yes I suppoet the death of all criminals including thieves.

>>90643314
I always imagined a telepath who goes around and cures people from depression, addiction and other psychological disorders.

Rape is a good thing. Period.

>>90650324
Are you pretending that people don't retain any trait of their personnality when they grow up?

>>90650357
It's true that media does have an effect on us, of course, but whether there's free will or not adults do have the ability of choice.

Of course, the first step is recognizing what biases and dogma you grew up with.

For example, I think that people kneejerk too easily about perceived racism, but that fascism is an awful ideology that also centers around indoctrination into dogma and strengthening outmoded in-group/out-group biases.

>>90649258
While I agree with you that America would rather punish the people who commit a crime rather than actually preventing or discouraging the crime itself (e.g. the War on Drugs), that's less a corruption of 'individual snowflake' and more 'every American has a chance to better themselves', which a lot of people translate into 'if you've screwed up in life, it's your fault rather than upbringing or mental disease or the various other things that are out of our control but can still screw us over". Think WASPs, not Tumblr.

>>90650324
That's like saying there is no difference between letting a tree grow naturally and grafting it.

>>90650324
>Being this reductionist

Things can exist as a continuum through time Anon. Stocks. Governments. And human personalities. All of which people get mad at you for destroying carelessly and won't show you mercy if you argue "well they weren't like how they started out".

>>90650641
That would actually be a pretty cool idea, and might break some new moral grounds.
Did anyone ever do this?

>>90650977
>Superheroes ever using superpowers for anything other than beating up bad guys

Anon...

>>90650641
Reminds me of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MqTrdptLRrs

>>90650977
The hard thing with telepaths fucking around in your brain is proving consent.

Did you REALLY want to be cured of your addiction or was that something they implanted in your mind? How do you know the telepath cured your addiction and didn't do anything else to your brain on the way out?

It's a legal clusterfuck, and the best solution would probably be something where you have telepaths in their own super-isolated, super-rich cities where you essentially agree that people will be coming and going in your brain when you cross the border into psychic town.

Having telepaths freely walking around in the general public is asking for trouble. This isn't a case of "they're too powerful, they're walking machine guns ad WMD". This is a case of "they're too powerful and can make you and everyone else forget everything they ever did or give you false memories".

X-Men never goes into how psychics would have a much, much, MUCH harder time being accepted into society than guys with metal claws and eyebeams.

>>90651140
>Did you REALLY want to be cured of your addiction or was that something they implanted in your mind? How do you know the telepath cured your addiction and didn't do anything else to your brain on the way out?

That's why it's an interesting idea for a story. It's a superhero, but not one that fights. There's moral questions about the limits of power. The conflict comes not from the threat of the world being destroyed but the ethical questions that others have about the hero and the hero have about themselves.

>>90650555

>beating the shit out of the Punisher because he's going to commit murder = being a bitch

Right...

>Killing the Joker is crossing a line

You know, I understand if The Joker was just some hoodlum that shot a store clerk during a robbery but The Joker is an attention whore edgelord.

Killing Joker does not equal killing a normal criminal, but no one really talks about that.

>>90651140
That's what I meant with breaking new moral grounds. A universe like that has amazing potential.

It could even have some applicability or allegory for using medication to balance out mental disorders and stuff like that.

That's why I always liked "Scanners", all their telepaths had some kind of mental illness because they couldn't develop their own personality properly when they were drowned in a sea of minds all around them.

Stuff like that is just really cool.

>>90651140
Well, the Telepath doesn't need to be legalized. He could be a "psychological" vigilant. Walking the earth, probing different minds and helping those who he sees need his help.

Did you ever wanted to do something but you didn't have the courage to do so? He could cure your anxiety.

>>90651204
If the joker is about to kill someone, go ahead and shoot him.

If no one is directly in danger and you can capture him, do that instead.

It's not like Batman can help how incredibly shitty the jails and mental institutions in Gotham are.

Their incompetence at preventing people from escaping is the real monster.

>>90651288
Given that he's fucked with the League and by extension Green Lantern's deputy buddies can't GL just send Joker's ass to space jail?

Is mindrap really so terrible when it can be used to turn mass murdering villains into successful musicians?

>>90651308
I don't know if they would want him, but that would be a pretty effective way to keep Joker in jail.

Knowing comics however, he would probably escape anyway and crashland the space jail into New York city and take over the world with his ass palls from super jail.

So it's a mixed bag.

>>90651326
>mindrap
>succesful musicians
Are you pulling my leg over here, anon?

Ignoring all the moral implications, mindrape always wears off, an now you got a more pissed off edgier villain running around.

>>90651395
I've always felt the safest way to deal with him is to keep Joker in an induced coma. but its possible his warped body chemistry would either be resistant or just straight up respond weirdly to the drugs

>>90651465
>>90651395
I always thought it would be fun to see Joker in a prison ran entirely by emotionless robots.

No audience for his jokes. It'll be absolute hell for him.

No one had a problem with it when they did it to the White Martians in Morrison's JLA.

>>90651534
okay no. hat's just begging for him to pull 'by the why I know hack-fu' and turn them into an army of clounbots

>>90651660
A WHITE FUCKING MARTIAN

>>90645970
the real question is why haven't any of batmans insane rogues been sentenced to death.

>>90643314
Light knew their identities and was rattling off how he was going to rape everyone the heroes knew. Not wiping his mind would have been stupid given the cardboard nature of every prison the DCU. The Top was the same.

If it's multiple innocents getting raped versus some rapist getting the awful taken out of his head I think the rational decision is very clear.

Superman used the argument that they prepare for this when they becomes heroes which means that they should just accept the consequences of some psycho figuring out their mother's address, as if the heroes were the only ones being affected by their decision not to fix said psycho.

>>90651800
blame Lord Death Man for invalidating the entire death penalty

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There was a thread about psychic assholes. This thread reminded of it.

>>90651660
>Each one is Superman with even more powers and want to kill all humanity

That was a very special case

For the people who are against mindrape and superheroes killing anybody, what solutions would you offer for dealing with supervillains in the Big 2? This is a genuine question. I'm currently not for or against anything here. I just want to know what sort of stuff you would come up with that you'd think would be effective. Could lead to some very interesting storytelling.

>>90646082
Superman kept quiet because he knew there was no other way.

>>90651993
>For the people who are against mindrape and superheroes killing anybody, what solutions would you offer for dealing with supervillains in the Big 2?

stop grinding these characters out into perpetuity and allow them to have some closure lmao

>>90643314
Just kill the villain.

>>90649604
They couldn't jail him because what does jail even do in comics?

He had all their personal info and was planning on killing their families.

>>90651288
>If no one is directly in danger and you can capture him, do that instead.
Fuck that. If you do that you're just enabling him to kill again at a later date.

>>90651993
Realistically? Earth is fucked.

There is so much super ancient evils and space shit floating around and all of it wants to kill our speck of blue because it offends there delicate eyes or something.

There is no fighting that. The best scenario would be to become a vassal for some of the big dick super empires out there and enjoy there protection in exchange for basically becoming semi-independent slaves.

But, let's say that doesn't need to happen and Earth can hoist itself up by its own bootstraps and make by with good ol' fashioned elbow grease. We'd go about and steal some of that super technology and magic and upgrade our own forces.

Like the gun was the great equaliser, so would space magic become the next one. It's a lot less attractive for any old martian assmaster with a supergun to take over Earth when we have an army of Doctor Strange wannabees in ironman suits.

So, simply put, actually get mankind to get of its ass and compete with/steal/develop some of that crazy good stuff the rest of the universe has.

Though that would probably end up with mankind falling under some police state where the country with the biggest stolen eldritch mega man dick rules the world.

But hey, at least the green goblin would get ass blasted as soon as he showed his fugly Rumpelstiltskin ripp off mask.

>>90652107
>Due process is for chumps.

>>90652243
>Joker
>due process
There comes a point where you're endangering people with that adherence. Joker will be caught, tried, deemed insane and sent to an asylum. He will then escape and kill more people.

The best thing you can do for the city's people is put a bullet in him.

>>90652273
How about making the walls of the prison out of anything else but plywood?

>>90652288
No prison is more secure than the fiery walls of hell.

>>90652300
It's funny how you believe that there wouldn't be a comic about Joker escaping from hell.

>>90652273
>send Joker to Hub City
>he gets shanked before he gets to do anything

>>90652383
Yeah, there would be. But there's no way anyone could prevent that in universe. Whereas any cop could have "accidentally" shot Joker and I doubt anyone would complain.

>>90649604
>abloo abloo muh memories
Nigga fuck your memories. You forget a thousand things a year and you're remembering the shit you don't incorrectly.

>>90643314
Why stop there, let's mindrape everyone to make them stop doing crimes.

Shit like this legit freaks me out.

It's also the reason why Marvel telepaths deserve to be executed en masse.

>>90645549

See? Two wrongs CAN make a right.

>>90651993
Well, I mean the problem with any solution is that it works until the next writer wants to use the villain which is usually not very long. If the fictional universes had a modicum of inertia in their legal and prison systems, I would say work to rehabilitate those who can be rehabilitated and incarcerate those who can't, and in the extreme cases where neither of those is an option, find a way to kill humanely.

I'd even like to see the idea of a legal mindrape explored. Like the psychiatrist working with some villain suggest that Martian Manhunter could cure them, villain says yes, psychiatrist petitions Manhunter to come and help. That would be an interesting thing to explore.

>>90652429
honestly if they weren't going by cartoon logic this would have happened and Joker would have turned into a Hitler like historical figure that people were occasionally plotting to clone/reincarnate with massive neoJoker cults and oh wait that's Batman Beyond isn't it

>>90652429
But shooting him doesn't even help. He escapes from death anyway. It's the same reason why locking him up doesn't work, when it should be a working solution in real life.

Joker sells comics, so removing him from the comic will never happen. So there is no solution to Joker, meaning that shooting him, locking him up, or giving him a stern talking to all are equally useless in the long term.

Treating Joker escaping from hell as inevitable because no one can do anything about it and still saying its a working solution holds as much grounds as saying that he will escape from jail anyway because no one can do anything about it and still calling it a working solution.

Comics ruin everything.

>>90643314

Babylon 5 had an interesting idea for a futuristic execution, where a serial killer would get their mind wiped and a new peaceloving monk-like identity inserted in them instead. And they spend the rest of their lives doing humanitarian aid.

The serial killer does get "killed" in a sense, while at the same time the killer pays for his crimes for the rest of his life.

>>90652552
You could at least address it in comics, though. It's only ever been addressed by Jason that he's killed so many people.

You'd think there'd be separate vigilantes that want to take him out.

If killing him doesn't work I guess the best you could do is sever his limbs, blind him and cut out his vocal cords.

>>90651660
J'onn never told anyone he did it until it was already wearing off and by then the White Martians were kicking their asses again

Pretty sure the League wasn't crazy about the idea though

>>90652811
Pretty sure they figured it out.

>>90643314

Oh my god, this entire thread is so stupid. Alright, you morons, here's a quick refresher on why we don't have the death penalty (in civilised countries) and why we don't lobotomise criminals, and it sure as hell isn't because we really love bad guys to stay the way they are.

See, in real life, we have these things called 'prisons'. In the comic book world, they don't exist. I mean, I know they SAY they have prisons, but in actuality they're just big rooms made of wet paper, and basically only last one week before the criminal escapes. But the reason we don't have the death penalty is because prisons are good enough - there's no point killing someone when you can just make them unable to hurt people again. However, in a world without prisons, the only way to stop serial murders from serial murdering is to cripple them. You don't just basically let them go because "Hurting people is what the villains do", you friggin' disable them for life! When you're in the face of saving potentially hundreds of people, that is not the time to be thinking "Are we the baddies?"

Of course, in comic book world, they never do, for the same reason as prisons don't work: because the writers like having bad guys be free. So instead, they basically just let them go, and every couple of years we have some ham-fisted story about if the superheroes' no-killing policy is justifiable. And every couple of years, we have some morons like you guys thinking this is a profound philosophical discussion. It's not, the writers just have a need to convince you that it's not a massive plot-hole.

>>90653126
If you're arguing for just disabling them, then why bother taking the money to feed and bathe them? If you're gonna leave them hobbled then just kill 'em.

>>90653126
(cont')

Now as for why we don't lobotomise criminals, it's not because we believe in "free will" or that "changing someone's mind by force is murdering them". That's stupid. The entire point of punishment IS to change people's minds without their approval, and it doesn't somehow become acceptable because you're changing their mind by treating them like a slave. The real reason we don't lobotomise criminals is because it keeps turning them into blabbering idiots. We decided as a whole that any criminal would be better off spending their life in prison than getting a lobotomy.

But again, in the superhero world, that's different. Dr. Light didn't become a barely-functional moron, he just became a bit less competent. And that's fine. Obviously, we wouldn't want that for ALL criminals, but when you're dealing with a serial murderer it's certainly appropriate. It's either that, or a slavery-like sentence for life. ...Or, in the comic-book world, being disabled for life. But again, having bad guys stop killing everyone is really bad for comic book sales, so again, we have this arbitrary rule that heroes never do this, and again, suckers believe this is a profound statement on if a person is still a person if they can't make their own decisions about murdering people.

Also: making people forget memories, like who's a superhero and who's not? Memories that, if they knew about, would let them KILL EVERYBODY? And where there's no consequence to forgetting the memories at all? Yeah, the only thing even remotely unethical about that is that the guys doing it didn't really tell everyone.


>>90649885
No, that's not how it works. You can still punish presumably-reformed criminals just to set a deterrence for others. If we never wanted to punish someone we don't think is a bad guy anymore, then the statute of limitations on any crime would be 5 years with no exceptions.

>>90652940
Wait, I was mistaken. They did know because J'onn justified it under Martian law when he did it in the first place

>>90653205
If a criminal is disabled to the point where they can't commit crimes anymore, they're not criminals anymore. And I'm not in favour of killing non-criminal disabled people.

>>90653304
>I'm not in favour of killing non-criminal disabled people.
Liberal pussy.

>>90651993
S P A C E J A I L

They literally have a space cop who works for nigh-omnipotent oompa loompas.

Most bad guys can easily be imprisoned so that only writer fiat bullshit can free them. Like the Joker. He's an edgelord in grease paint. Normal jail SHOULD be enough for him but writers will find someway for him to escape. You could put him in Hell and writers will find some way for him to escape.

For guys like White Martians yeah, mindrape because there's like nothing else you can do to them. For between White Martians and Joker send them to space jail.

>>90652203
>Not trusting Superman to protect you
>"The best scenario would be to become a vassal for some of the big dick super empires out there"

I'm onto you Glorious Godrey...

>>90652495
>Deserved to be executed en masse

The only person who can tell if a telepath fucked with your memories, personality, and very soul is another telepath.

Telepaths could turn the world into something from Kafka and program you to think its NORMAL.

The only way a telepath population can get along with humans would be if they were tightly regulated by other telepaths who did everything in their power to earn brownie points with humanity. There would be telepathy cities and no telepathy cities and if a telepath is outside their zone they're getting a bullet in the head and their city nuked and salted.

>>90649885

>"The guy who raped and murdered your daughter? He's fine now and there's no need for a trial. He's a completely new person."

Mindwipe his old personality out, insert a peace-loving hard working personality slave in, where the convict spends the rest of his life doing humanitarian aid. Problem solved. The killer is dead, and the body does community service with a different personality until he expires.

>>90652601
>>90652552

>Kill Joker
He becomes an actual clown demon with magic powers

>Cut off his limbs and put him on life support for the rest of his life
He's now Cyborg Joker and infects the internet with the C-RAY-ZE virus.

>Cop shoots him in the face

Turns out the Cop was Joker. Just as Keikakued

You can't win with Joker solutions because when you write it the next writer on Batman or Detective Comics will cock block you.


>>90652561
That's a good solution. It's the death penalty with some productive benefit.

>>90650977
>Did anyone ever do this?
Legion did this during Spurrier's X-Men Legacy. Sure, he had to manipulate Psylocke, but he had her use her powers to help cure some british soldiers' PTSD.

>>90652203
Best case scenario would actually Earth becoming the big dick super empire.

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Tony Stark mind-raped the world into forgetting his identity, and he used a bunch of enslaved psychics to do it. If it is good enough for him, it is good enough for everybody.

>>90652552
Joker died in his first comic and had a lobotomy in his second one.

He dies all the fucking time, i wish people that hates batman stop pretending they care about the comic. Just complain about his popularit instead of making the same stupid question and not reading the answers.


Is not if heroes kill or not, is about batman doing something. This threads never start with Superman and Darkseid.

At the end of the day the answer is in The Authority, that happens if Batman kills. You can't kill ONE bad guy and then ignore the rest.

>>90651288
Except, of course, that Bruce Wayne is a billionaire industrialist and probably the most powerful man in the city. With the resources of Wayne Enterprises behind him, he could remake Gotham (including state of the art jails and a mental institution that isn't a converted gothic mansion with secret fucking tunnels everywhere).

Instead, he'd rather dress up as a bat and beat the shit out of the mentally ill.

>>90654394
Hell, he does that as well in some stories.

The truth is that business model of cape stories is fundamentally averse to conclusion, at least in trades. Batman has to be the hero, but he can never fix the city.

It's why I prefer standalones and graphic novels, to be honest. It's nice to see these characters used in stories that actually have an ending.

>>90654258
Golden Age Batman stories were WAY more down-to-earth than Silver Age onwards. Using them as examples of Batman taking a realistic response to crime is unfair.

all death is tragic
killing innocents is bad
killing to prevent the death of innocents is good

moral is that moderation is a greater discipline than absolutes

superheros are fictional and will never posesses the discipline for moderation because the writers said they don't

>>90653674

Iron Man did nothing wrong. He just made people forget his secret identity. No one is entitled to that information

>>90653304
Pussy.

>>90654706
>Using them as examples of Batman taking a realistic response to crime is unfair.

He was fighting vampires and monsters, even aliens in the golden age, Joker cameback since the start

>>90654903
>The NSA did nothing wrong.

>>90643314
Yes.

I hate psychics

>>90652601
>If killing him doesn't work I guess the best you could do is sever his limbs, blind him and cut out his vocal cords.
He'd regrow his limbs, or get them replaced cybernetically, or just ignore it happened. For fuck's sake, there is no logic keeping Joker alive, these insane approaches are no "better" against popularity plot armor than anything else because it's not a logic or concept within the universe that keeps him alive.