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New Secret Empire tie in

>>When Steve Rogers makes his allegiance to Hydra public at the start of Secret Empire, the superhero community is naturally going to be pretty shocked. But before he can enact his crazy plan to rule the Earth, Natasha Romanov is going to try and stop him, and she’s recruiting a few friends to help her resistance.

>>Revealed by Comic Book Resources this morning, Natasha’s plight to stop Steve and the rise of Hydra will unfold in a special one-shot comic from Derek Landy and J. Cassara, Secret Empire: Uprising. But not even the best superspy in the Marvel Universe can bring down Hydra on her own, so Widow will recruit Riri Williams, the Invincible Ironheart,; Nadia Pym, the Unstoppable Wasp; Joaquin Torres, the latest Falcon,; and a few members of the Champions—Miles Morales, Amadeus Cho, and Viv Vision—to her cause.
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>>90585942
Cancer: the Tie-In, brought to you by Literally Who: the Creative Team
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>>90585942
>Not Sam
>Not U.S.Agent
>Not Tony
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>>90585942
Literally just the diversity brigade against the straight, white male oppressors.

Oddly enough, no Kamala.

Guess she hailed HYDRA too.
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>>90585942
>so Widow will recruit Riri Williams
Stopped right there.
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>>90585942
Wait, it's only a one-shot? Not even a mini? Then who fucking cares. Sounds like it's just there to set-up the plotpoint of what Natasha's role in the story is.
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>>90585942
>Legacy/teen hero thing
>Champions are in it
>Kamala isn't
Her push must finally be over. I imagine her the last chapter of solo will be solicited this month or next.
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>>90585942
That cis-white male won't stand a chance against this Black Widow's Rainbow Brigade!

I hope Captain Hydra beats them all into the ground.
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>>90586059
Or Kamala is elsewhere in this event.
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I miss when they used events to bring characters back from the obscurity.
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>>90585942
That's a really cool cover.

>>90586108
Kind of a shame that Widow doesn't do her triple agent schtick anymore. I would love for this book to be about leading her team to get captured and Hailing Hydra on the last page.
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>>90585942
So happy I gave up reading Marvel a few years ago.
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>>90586059
Kamala's already in a "Resistance" team for Secret Empire and that's Secret Warriors and Nova is going to be on the outside of The Shield fighting off the Chitauri.

This seems to be just Natasha rounding up all the teen cannon fodder that other people hadn't already called dibs on.
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>>90586183
Same. It feels like Marvel has no interest in using characters beyond the characters currently in books. It's a fast track way to make people bored of them.
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>>90586183
At least we're getting Sentry back.
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>>90586254
Is that supposed to be a good thing?
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>>90586057
It takes place between issues 3 and 4. They can't make it a mini.
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>>90585942
Not Bucky.
Not Clint.
Not Scarlet Witch.

Yeah, totally logical, to recruit a bunch of newcomers with no history with neither Nat of Steve.
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>>90586273
For us, yes.
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>>90585942
>When Steve Rogers makes his allegiance to Hydra public at the start of Secret Empire
Then how is it a secret empire...
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>>90586254
Wait, what?
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>>90586791
Who's "us"? People who like shitty Mary Sue characters?
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>>90586956
Yep. Apparently he was in Pleasant Hill. And now Zemo found him. as well as a whole bunch of other losers from there.
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>>90586979
I thought Sentry fucked off to space after being one of Archangelocalypse's Four Horsemen?
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>>90586956
We don't know for sure, so don't going full Prime Time Hype, but this page definitely hints at Sentry.
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>>90585998
Thank you for saying it so I don't have to waste more thought on this garbage than the actual writers did.
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>>90587058
mfw it is Hydra Bob
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>>90587151
>yfw HYDRA!Bob and Sentry!Bob were actually the same person the entire time but split apart into two separate Bobs due to some kind of cosmic mumbo jumbo
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I think this is a misdirect, and it'll end with them all getting Kobok'd into Hydra supporters, seeing how Spidey, Chulk, and BW+Hawkeye are on the Hydra Heroes variants by Sorrentino.
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>there are people on /co/ who don't like Sentry
The fuck? How can crazy superman be a marysue when he always gets the bad end?
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Natasha and the Minority Marvels!
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>Joaquin Torres, the latest Falcon
>the latest

thats the best adjective they could come up with?

implies he won't be sticking around

also what happened to Nick Spencer's gay Hispanic Giant Man?
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>>90585942
This is the one shot where every teenage token hero jobs hard because FUCK YOU, SPENCER'S EVENT, SPENCER'S RULES, right?
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>>90585991
I'm pretty sure they'll have some key role in this event.
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>>90587421
>Hispanic
He was Indian, and he showed up a couple times in Ultimates.
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>>90587421
Wasn't that guy middle-eastern? I think he showed up twice in Ultimates but I've also been hearing he showed up in Ant-Man.
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>>90585991
Toni is going to be doing other tie-in stuff in USAvengers.
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>>90586187
What's cool about it? Puppet covers are a diamond dozen.
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>>90586183
>I miss when they used events to bring characters back from the obscurity.

Funny enough this is exactly what Spencer has done in every marvel book he touched, from Superior Foes to Ant-man, to Sam-Cap and even Steve-Cap.

But these tie-in is from literally unknown writers, so i guess this is just Marvel pushing the characters they want to spotlight
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>>90587058
Calling it now: Sentry's going to job to Quasarette
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>>90587545
I hole-hardedly agree.
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>>90587615
Unfortunately I think you're right.

I wanted him back so badly, but not like this.

Not like this.
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>>90585942
Leading a team of total newcomers against a ruthlessly evil version of one of the most capable, basically Batman tier ability to outsmart any opponent in battle fighters in the marvel universe is just asking for them to get slaughtered.
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>>90587229
Post the variants
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>>90587824
>is just asking for them to get slaughtered.
That's what we're all hoping for
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>>90587922
The words "hope" and Marvel cant be used in the same sentence these days unless you are referring to the lack of it. There would be a good deal of satisfying irony if Cap, the heart and soul of the Marvel Universe put down this cancerous state its grown into though. Captain Hydra is truly the hero we deserve.
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>>90587058
Thats not sentry.

Thats a old villian.
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>>90588034
You might have just changed my opinion of Hydra Cap
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>>90585942
OHHHH NOBODY GIVES A SHIT
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>>90588034
Let's just hope they don't pussy out on the deaths like they did in Civil War II. Also any death during the event please don't replace them with forced diversity person of x color.
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>>90588246
I wish the event deaths for secret empire would be nothing but forced diversity characters, atleast that would elevate it from "Marvel event garbage" to "chemo".
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>>90588381
You'll never see Chavez beheaded by Cap's shield. :c
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>>90588381
I like very few of them. Some absolutely fucking hate. PS I'm hispanic and I hate that Falcon.
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>>90588246
>>90588381

There's still any A-lister character left to kill that's not been replaced yet?
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>>90588662
Who? Hydra Cap? Have you read America #1? She took his place punching Hitler.
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>>90585942
>cholk
Ok
>Miles
Ok
>daughtision
Ok
>Riri
Why?
>mexifalcon
What?
>Wasp
Hu?

So they want to make a young avengers 2.0?
With noone related to steve?
No Sam Wilson? No Diamonback?

This feels just like Avengers the poor derivative edition.
Is this a push for a new avenger ancestor team? To make them relevant?
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You think after this even is over that they're gonna reveal Cap was bisexual all along or something?
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>>90587574
And he's bringing back Cloak & Dagger in the main book
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This should work out as well as the time Natasha led the Avengers against Onslaught and got nearly the entire team killed.

Then we get another 5-10 years of her going "I'm a spy, not a team leader."
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>>90589266
It's just a one-shot about Black Widow rallying the teen heroes that aren't already being rallied somewhere else (like in Secret Warriors) so they can have a role to play in Secret Empire.
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>>90586971
Sentry is shitty and overpowered, but he isn't a Mary Sue. No one likes him, in-universe, or out in the real world.
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>>90589591
I know, but i meant that they set up a new young avenger or ancestor team here.
Like a
>Secret Empire: Uprising - First team-up of the New Young Avengers.
for the future plan to establish them.
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>>90588774
>Have you read America #1? She took his place punching Hitler.
wew, I don't even... I can't. Why?
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>>90589695
It's just the Champions with the members that couldn't be here because they're tied up elsewhere during Secret Empire (O5 Scott, Kamala, Nova) having their spots filled by other teen legacies. I think you're looking into it a bit much.
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>>90589752
We were roasting the fuck out of it. It was just terrible. Terrible art, story, completely changed her character and the coloring is the worst.
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>>90585989
kek.
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>>90585942
>so Widow will recruit Riri Williams, the Invincible Ironheart,; Nadia Pym, the Unstoppable Wasp; Joaquin Torres, the latest Falcon,; and a few members of the Champions—Miles Morales, Amadeus Cho, and Viv Vision—to her cause.
Wow. This is damage control, right? The #woke squad have to be the ones to stop Steve.
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>>90586759
Seriously. Thats fucking stupid
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>>90585942
>BREAKING NEWS!
>ROGUE RUSSIAN SPY LEADS TERRORIST GROUP COMPOSED OF ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS, ROBOTS AND AGENTS OF RUSSIAN SPY AGENCY AGAINST VETERAN AND DECORATED AMERICAN HERO!
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>>90590248
I wish Marvel had the balls to market it like this. I get who's meant to be the moral compass and I even get the "good guys win" shit but for once I would like a villain who doesn't go batshit insane and turn it up to 11.
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>>90590953
You know what I don't get? How the hell Marvel still thinks that people are going to cheer for anyone who goes against Captain "Pillar Moral of the Marvel Universe" America? Hell they tried that shit in the first Civil War and all it did was make Tony looks like a fascist asshole, THEN they tried it again on Civil War 2 and all it did was make Carol looks like a fascist asshole.
Fuck, even being Captain Hydra Steve is still more heroic and selfless than 90% of Marvel heroes.
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>poochy legacy heroes + viv vision: the team
>lead by blacked windows
This is a whole new level of cancer.
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>>90591424
I feel like they can go deeper with a team filled with self righteous cunts
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>>90587256
>Sentry is literally the MU jesus, best friend of everyone, fucked rogue and inspired captain america but everybody forgot because things
I hear people liked the void part though.
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>>90591468
The Champions already exist.
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>>90585942

>Not Sam, Bucky, Sharon, Hawkeye, or even US Agent
>The resistince is made up of NuMarvel characters
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>>90585942
The event hasn't even started and I'm already tired of it.
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>>90586759
Cho has some history with BW, but it's fairly minor and not good.
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>>90587907
Not that guy, but okay.
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>>90585942

>new characters beating up the old characters

/co/ is gonna cry
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>>90585942
If this continues then the question is would Marvel really kill off Steve Rogers? Because this book did show Miles Morales in this team, and in the pages of CW2 he’s the one that kills him. Would they go through with it since Steve’s death is shown by Miles’s hand? If it did happen the the chances of the mantle being passed down to either Bucky Barnes or Sam Wilson?
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>>90587151
No, it can't be since Cap's had Hydra Bob in his pocket since DP introduced them just before Standoff happened.
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>>90585942
I hate how they took an awesome comic like The Vision and decided to whore out Viv and use her as a gender replacement for The Vision. They are fucking robots, why are people hung up on this shit?
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>>90585942
At first I was like, "Woah, more Nat goodness."

Then I saw the team.

It's literally everything wrong with Marvel combined with Nat.

Why can't Nat catch a break? Give her to a top tier writer who isn't insane (so no Waid, or Bendis - I bet Rucka could write some kick-ass Nat stuff), get a third top tier artist (seriously - why do they know enough to put Noto and Samnee on Nat, but not enough to give her a writer to match?), and give us the Black Widow solo we deserve?
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>>90585989
TOP TOP TOP LOL. BEST POST.
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>>90592702
Not gonna lie, that one looks badass.
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>>90586759
Heck, even Maria Hill would make more sense, given what Fraction wrote for them in Iron Man way, way back when. That was good stuff.
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>>90590248
Holy ^&*(, why aren't they leading with that?
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>>90587058
Red herring or unintentional, even. I doubt even Hill would be so stupid as to use "Bob" as a fake identity for Bob Reynolds. Furthermore, if it's Sentry how the fuck did they catch him and revert his Apocalypse thingy in the first place?
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I have faith in Spenser, but I feel like all the other Marvel writers really don't know about any characters beyond the ones currently in books. I mean, at least Spenser's run has a lot of Grunwald stuff in it.
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Spoonfeed me, what's Cap been up to since the Hydra reveal

how much of an asspull will it be that he comes out publicly as Hydra and civilians and government people are ok with it?
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>>90593072
who's middle top supposed to be, Blackbolt?
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Let's go, give Widow a 6 man team with characters that interacted with her instead of those bozos.
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>>90596891
He planted plans to reHulk Banner in his labs so someone would kill him, encouraged Tony to fight Carol, is creating an alien army, becoming husbando with Zemo, and plans to kill all heroes.
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>>90596932
>that obviously female figure
>Phoenix symbols
>Blackbolt
what
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>>90596891
>what's Cap been up to since the Hydra reveal
4D Chessing his way to world domination.

>how much of an asspull will it be that he comes out publicly as Hydra and civilians and government people are ok with it?
Not even remotely an asspull. Hail Hydra!
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>>90585942
sounds awful
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>>90597027
>>90596891
Its just a hypno cap episode.
He was brainwashed
If not than its a really big asspull.
After all stories he was in, he was the baddest hydra agent ever.
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